The Rod and Greg Show: U.S. Should End H1-B Visas; Political Graffiti; Federal Salaries

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
But anyway, welcome, folks. We had a great show for
you today. We've got a lot of great got a
lot of great guests, got a lot of things that
happen over the weekend, things that we're going to unpack,
talk about this economy, what's going on. I always love
hearing from our Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Bessont, very
calming effect for a guy like me. I like to
hear his take. He's wicked smart. We're going to play
some clips from him, and some of the things he

(00:21):
said over the weekend. Came across today a post from
a small business owned by a family farm and they
were the victim of vandalization, of vandalized. One of their
storefronts were vandalyzed. Criminal conduct and it was political. And
the owner of the store kind of explained what they

(00:44):
do as a business and why they have never been
in the crossfire of political violence like that or criminal acts.
And I was just really struck by it in not
a good way. And so we reached out to the
owner of this business and I'll get into the details
a little bit later, but in this hour we'll be
talking to Trevor Rose. He owns the business. That was vandalized,

(01:05):
and we're going to talk about the post. I think
what he posted was important. I commented on it, but
I would like for more people to understand what's happening,
not just in the country, when you're watching the news
and you're seeing political violence and you're seeing that sadly
the far left, I would say step one in pursuing
their agenda is violence and to use methods of fear

(01:28):
to make people fearful. It's not where they end up going,
it's where they begin. And I know that sounds harsh
and it's not hyperbole, but if we can share a
moment like that that's happening here in our own state
of Utah and a smaller town where this is going on,
I think we should talk about that. And so we're
going to have this the owner of this company on

(01:49):
later this hour, so you won't want to miss that
and bring some attention to it and talk about whether
you know, is this is it fair to say that
the left is the party of violence?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Is that that's something that's accurate? We're going to talk
about anyway. We're also going to get into We've got
some great interviews in the show where open the Books
CEO John Hart, He's going to tell us about these
federal salaries that are outpacing the public sector. We're having
two conversations at the same time. We're having one conversation
about the affordability of everything is at prices don't seem

(02:19):
to be going down, What's what's the story there? But
at the same time, we're seeing record increases in government salaries,
which seems to be a terrible irony in it all.
And I don't know that the that the increase in
the federal the government employee salaries going up as much
as they have even just over the last four years,
is getting the attention it needs. And so we're going

(02:41):
to dive into that a little bit. We're also going
to talk about the strategies that the Republicans need to
get into. We're not the party of no, we never
have been. So what does that mean. What are we
going to do?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Proactively?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
We know the president's working at a high rate of
high pace, but you know, we have to have a
good Congress. You have to have there's issues out there
that the Democrats their wheelhouse, and their only point that
they'll make is that Republicans don't do anything good, and
they just attack Republicans, they attack our foundational institutions. But
they themselves don't come up with any ideas. They don't
build anything. They're just very good at being to criticize

(03:13):
and say vote for me because I'm not the Republican.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
We don't do that.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
We don't say vote for us because we're not the Democrats,
even though they don't have anything to show for their work.
We come up with solutions, We come up with conservative
ways to find those solutions. Get out of people's way,
let people, let individual liberty and a good free economy
do it do what it does. And you know, it's
easier said than that, I know, but we're going to
get into what some of those strategies can be. We're
going to have a contributor from Red State. He'll be

(03:40):
on the on the program with us, and then we're
also going to talk about this is something that's getting
a lot of attention, these H one B one visas.
This is coming up here in this hour as well.
We're going to talk to the Center John Mayano from
the Center of Immigration Studies about the H one B visas.
I've heard so much and we've talked about this on
a program before you know, they were leaving the border

(04:01):
open because they were in letting in people undocumented illegal entry,
because they were just the saying was there were jobs
that Americans just won't do. Is if we were too elitist,
we were too good for hard work and you know,
blue collar labor, We're just not going to do that
kind of labor. I've rejected that. I think we all
reject that false premise. But then at the same time

(04:21):
they're saying that, they're saying, well, we need these H
one B visas because we need engineers, we need skilled
labor that we simply don't have in this country either. Well,
if there's jobs Americans are too good to do, and
there's jobs Americans aren't smart enough to do, where does
that leave a workforce in America? It is I mean,
they have painted this country, the Democrats, the leftist into

(04:43):
a corner. These are not These two sentiments cannot live
in the same universe. You cannot say we're too good
for one not smart enough for the other. Or you're
just saying we're going to be a welfare state and
no one's going to work, and this whole free market
thing is is done and we're going to just we're
just going to bring in from an on the world
populations for workforce, but also to change that changed our

(05:05):
our foundational institutions. And we're seeing we're seeing symptoms of that,
but we're also fighting back. But let's get to the numbers.
Let's get to what visus really mean. I've got a
great clip I might play before we get to the
break here, that from President Trump where he was asked
about the the H one B one visas because there
was a quote where he said, hey, we got to
have some we gotta have these H one B one

(05:27):
visas because there are some jobs. Like I just said,
even Trump, the President is saying, well, we Americans aren't
able to do those. Well, I think we need a
little more context of that. And today he was in
a press conference and was asked this question by a
journalist what he meant by that? Can he elaborate? I
think what he said to elaborate that is pretty important.

(05:48):
We're going to get into. Uh, let's see, so we
got a lot of things, we got a lot of
issues that we're going to we're going to be jumping into.
I'm personally concerned about and will continue to be concerned
about what this this judge is done in terms of
our redistricting. How is that fanning out the talk of
the town. And this is what I knew it happened

(06:08):
now that they have so grossly drawn a plus twenty
four percent Democrat district under the banner of neutral and
no partisan considerations, which you can't get a plus twenty
four percent Kamala Harris Democrat district Congressional district in Utah,
a candidate that didn't win a single swing state in America,

(06:29):
a candidate that didn't win the popular vote, who was
drubbed frankly by President Trump in the election, and have
a plus twenty four percent pro Kamala Harris Congressional District
in Utah. Well, let me tell you what that's done.
That is meant that the Democrats, who were looking for
a maybe a blues blue district, or wanted to say
with a straight face that they would be competitive, meaning

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they'd want their thumb on the scale a little bit,
they jumped the shark. They've gone so far left in
the drawing of this district that you're going to now
see and we're seeing this playoff out and now we'll
get into this in the show later. Some of the
Democrats that have announced their candidacy for that seat are
extreme leftists in our state. Extreme that Nate Blowing, who's

(07:11):
a who's a state senator. He's if you watch his
social media and I wouldn't recommend it, actually, but if
you did, you'd see that he is cut from the
same cloth as AOC and Bernie Sanders and some of
the most extreme voices you hear coming out of the
out of Washington. And then you you have others as well.
They're looking at that seat to the point where a

(07:31):
candidate like Democrat Ben McAdams, who was really you know,
branding himself as as a as a Utahn, someone that
if you were a Republican or independent you could vote
for and he and he'll tell you he was a
great mayor of Salt Lake County, and there you can
have a great debate and a great campaign over that.
This district looks too modern, too liberal, frankly for him.

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So I think you're going to see in this this district,
the way it's drawn, you're going to see Democrats going
after Democrats. And we've got some there's been some commons,
some endorsements that have actually, at the last minute now
been asked to be withdrawn because they didn't know how
far left those districts were going to be. So so
so we're going to see some infighting with that political

(08:12):
party because again they jumped the shark. They drew a district.
This judge let a private leftist organization draw the districts
on their own with no input. And it is so
so liberal that even the Democrats are going to fight
with each other to u to sort it out. So
we'll talk about that again. A lot to talk about
when we come back. We're going to talk about immigration
and these H one B one visas and what it

(08:34):
means in this country, about how many we should have,
if we should have H one B one visas at all,
what's the future of that look like. So you want
to hang on when we get back from the break.
You're listening to Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
can Terress. I'm here, I got the NASA like board
in front of me, and we're going to keep going.
We've got a lot We've talked about it. We opened
the show giving you kind of a preview of all

(08:55):
the things we're going to talk about.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Look before we get to our guests.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
One of the downsides of a president that will us
sit and hold court and speak with reporters at any
moment and answer any question they have at any time
is sometimes my personal opinion is maybe he answers a
question quickly, quickly he tried to make a point so
he can move on to the other and his answers
might confuse or might sound like something he didn't intend

(09:20):
it to sound like. So he had made a comment
about H one B visas where he said that there
were just we have to have them because there's just
some jobs that Americans can't do. That did not go
over well with a lot of people. Some Democrats like
to say that people that support Trump, you know, they
just read this, you know, they just sing the music,
and they don't they don't think themselves the the That

(09:40):
isn't the case. This didn't go over well. So there
was a follow up today in the Oval office about this. This
is about a forty five second clip. Let's hear the
president answer more specifically about H one B visas.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
About H one B visas, you said that there were
certain talents that Americans needed to outsource to foreign workers.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
Could you clarify me.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Still they learned that. Yeah, like for instance, if you're
going to be making chip we don't make chips too
much here anymore, but we are going to be in
a period of a year, we're going to have a
big portion of the chip market. But we have to
train our people how to make chips because we didn't
know we used to do it, and then foolishly we
lost that business to Taiwan, very very foolishly, because if

(10:19):
they had a president that I thought like I did,
they would not have let that happen. But it's all
coming back. I think we're going to have a within
a few years. We're going not because of the Chips Act.
The Chips Act was a disaster for them.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
So there you have it.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
He's saying that this is a temporary thing to train
up people so that the on shoring and jobs are
creation that's going to happen, that Americans are prepared. Joining
us on the program, John Miano, he's a fellow at
the Center for Immigration Studies, and John, thank you for
joining us on the program. You dive into this issue
of H one B visas and maybe you propose it
maybe there ought to be like what congressmanship, Roy said,

(10:58):
maybe a pause in the issuing of H one B visas.
Share with our listeners your thoughts on these visas and
if they're necessary right now or not.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Okay, Well, the first thing is the H one B
visa is designed to place Americans with cheap foreign workers.
That was its purpose of the lobbyist that wrote wrote
the deal is explicitly legal to replace Americans with foreign workers.
There's no requirements that there'd be a shortage when they
bring in an H one B worker. They have a

(11:30):
wage system that's entirely trusts the employers. They have to
pay the prevailing They're required to pay the prevailing wage,
but the employer determines the prevailing wage, and what every
the employer says is incontestable incontestable. The department's labor is
required to approve whatever they say within seven seven days,

(11:51):
and they cannot even go back and review review these.
So you combine this ability to replace Americans with the
ability to pay pay the placement's cheap much lower than
the going rate, and you have companies across the country
placing hundreds of Americans at a time with these H
one b B workers. And when when you have something

(12:14):
that's as awful as this, what the lobbyists do is
they come up with, you know, gas lighting talking points
and you know, like this is for skilled workers, it's shortages.
And obviously these people have access to the president and
the people who for example, the President Trump campaigned with
Americans who've been replaced by humbe workers at Disney, and

(12:36):
apparently the people like that no longer have access to him.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
So so everything you sound sounds familiar to me. I
believe it.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think President Trump might have said this. I've read
I watched a quote where he basically said exactly what
you just said back in twenty as far back as
twenty sixteen. What has changed is he getting bad advice?
Is there a way to train up emerging workforce in
save microchips like that without the H one B program
bringing those visa recipients in.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh yes, I mean definitely, the are many ways. There
are other visas. We have O VISs via L visas
and it can be used for that very very purpose.
But you know, basically comes down to, how do you
even justify a program that is designed or place Americans
or foreign foreign workers. I mean, that's how corrupt thigs
are in Washington that you can get basically anything passed

(13:28):
if you've give enough money to the to the people.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
So so let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
This is there so it doesn't look like the president
or anyone's interested in just pausing that program for now.
One of the things I think they're fighting politically is
that they're saying, look, you're fighting illegal immigration, but you
can't come off looking like you hate all foreigners around
the world, you don't want anyone. You have to be
pro legal immigration of some sort. How do you thread

(13:53):
that needle? Because one of the things I never hear
is if there's all these needs out here, give me
the number of workers. Is it five undred thousand, is
it two hundred thousand?

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Is it a million? Is anyone willing to give a number?
Is there a number I don't know of?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
How do you how do you actually get the policy
forward if they're not willing to just pause until the
dust settles and we look at what we should do
going forward.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
What is there a number a way forward?

Speaker 7 (14:19):
Well?

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I can tell you specifically in H one B, for example,
for example, the largest used hm B is for computer workers.
Last year, the United States lost a net eighteen thousand
computer jobs well, largely because of offshoring supported by H
and B visas. The US imported septy eight thousand HMB
workers alone, and not just HMB. There are other visa

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programs bringing people as well to for computer jobs. We
had seventy thousand Americans graduated computer science degrees into this
job market that was blooded. Was bad to you with
blooded by H and B workers, And now computer science
graduates have twice the unemployment rate that our history majors.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Do you worry about?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
So Labor Secretary said, I don't know if it was
this morning or yesterday, said, we might not see a
lot of the the employment of young people coming out
of college. It might not You might not see the employe.
It might be a level leveling off of employment because
of AI making current employees more efficient. What's the impact
of AI on this workforce? Maybe in addition to H

(15:26):
one B visas.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Right now, it's negligible, Eric, Right now people are using
AI as an excuse. Then you go in there and
like try tried rock and you know which xs AI
It gives lots of nonsense. Is not very it's not
very good. AI has not reached the place it was
not quite ready for time time it might might be,

(15:49):
but they just do you throw that out as the
excuse for the for the bad numbers. I mean, the
reality is that the immigration system is it out of control.
For basically fifty years, that American worker, the average American
has not seen a pay raise in fifty years. His
wage has been saggned from World War Two to about

(16:11):
nineteen seventy three as a product to be increased, wages
increased as well. Suddenly nineteen seventy three we have this
quadrupleing of immigration levels, and the working Americans wages have
stopped and basically stopped growing or growing modest growth, while
nearly all wealth created in this country has gone to

(16:32):
the very very rich. And so we we've been boiling
the frog now for fifty years of things slowly getting
worse and worse in the middle class. And now we've
got to the point now like where young people can't
buy houses. The average person, you know, like when I
graduated of college, I bought a house within two years.
Now they're saying you have to be the average person

(16:53):
buying house is forty forty years old. And rather than
address these fundamental issues that affect that you know that
the supply and demand of labor. The President says, oh
to fifty year mortgage it, and that's not going to work.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Or John, I want to thank you for joining us
on the program. A lot to think about. I got
to tell you, I think you're right. I think you're
absolutely right. And uh, and keep up the good work,
keep getting us this good data out there. Your studies
are fascinating and I think they're worth sharing with others.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
So keep up the good work. Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Thanks for having men.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
John Miano, fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies talking
about whether you need a H one B but want
H one B visas at all? It is absolutely minimally,
it's arguable, and I think he's actually correct.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
So got more to talk about.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
We're going to talk to a private business owner that
has been the subject of his shot. His business has
been the subject of political violence. When we come back,
we're going to have a conversation with this this gentleman.
You won't want to miss it. You're listening to Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can us I want
to talk to our next guest. This is something I
saw today after actually I Ray and I had gone
through the productions. By the way, Rod is not with

(18:03):
us today, so I'm flying solo. He'll be back on Wednesday.
But we can handle it, folks, all of us together,
saw this post today on social media. A business, the
Milk Barn Creamery, that sounds like a controversial business, doesn't
it Milk Barn Creamery. It's in Ogden. At least this
story is. The owner has discovered that their building had
been vandalized and that RFK Junior his name, was put

(18:27):
on there, as well as some profanity that I won't share,
but I guess it drew some meyer from some people,
especially that RFK has approved some of the I guess
the products that the Milk Barn Creamery provides for its
customers and always has for at least the last eleven years.
So joining us on the program to talk about this
leftist political violence and how it found its way to

(18:48):
the Milk Barn Creamery is Trevor Rose. Trevor Rose is
the owner. Trevor, thank you for joining us on the
Rodd and Gregg Show.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
Hey, how are you doing? You're welcome. Thanks for having
me so to be on.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
You know, I don't want you to be repetitive and
in case people have not read your post, maybe you
could share some of the details of your family farm,
what you do, what your business does, and so that
they understand how you're surprised on being caught in this
political violence that you find yourself in.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Yeah, we're I mean, boy, we are simple small town
folks if there ever are any. We're a fifth generation
dairy farm located in Morgan, Utah.

Speaker 6 (19:28):
We've been milking.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Cows for one hundred years and yeah, we've We've always
taken pride and loved the fact of being part of
the agriculture industry and being farmers are big couple of
our big products that we sell. We're not a big operation.
We only milk thirty cows. And milking only thirty cows,

(19:49):
you just can't afford to live do selling milk commercially
that way. So about eleven years ago, like you had mentioned,
we turned our direction to uh direct consumer raw milk
sales and uh so we we've milked the cow, you know,
clean the cow, make sure everything is clean and sanitary,
and the cow is milked and it gets the milk.

(20:12):
It's put into a big tank where it gets cooled
down and then from there the milk is bottled and
sold directly to the consumer. This is a this isn't
a bootleg operation. This is something that the State of
Utah has has permitted and allowed. We've been registered under
the Department of Agriculture for the last eleven years and
done followed their their protocols and standards. And yeah, recently

(20:36):
we've our business has has grown and we opened a
store in Ogden a couple a month ago. And yeah,
this morning we my wife got a got a texture
a friend saying, hey, there's somebody came in and drew
on your guys's windows and kind of put some stuff
on you guys's windows. And so anyway, we went down

(20:58):
there and saw that it happened.

Speaker 7 (21:00):
Kind of a crazy week.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
We really try hard to just create good products that
people like and let them decide what they want to
consume and what they don't want to consume.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
But yeah, it's a.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
Little bit kind of about us and how we kind
of got into this mess today.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
So I know our listeners are scratching our head, going,
what's the political angle here?

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Why is this?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Why is why are they even controversial? I would say
that you were licensed Utah was smart in twenty fourteen.
They saw that this was you have rigorous testing for
your products, and there's I don't think you've ever had
any kind of complaint or any kind of problem with
the product that you provide, but it is raw milk.
I guess RFK Junior, following the lead of the U

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State of Utah from eleven years ago, believes the same
that the process you're going through and the access to
raw milk isn't it doesn't have to be life threatening
if done right, and approved it as for nationally. And
therein lies the problem people that don't like RFK Junior
he approved this. It's something that you you're kind of
a pioneer in UH So, were you aware that r

(22:03):
f K Junior had approved this? Were you part of
that at all?

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
How did you how did you yourself find your Do
you know you were in the crosshairs of an RFK
Junior approval for something federally that you've been already doing?

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Being way honest, no, I didn't think so. Sadly, we
we you know, people believe what they want to believe in,
and you know, we we believe in a.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
Constitution that allows that.

Speaker 5 (22:26):
And uh for us, it's that we never we haven't
taken this, you know, too far as far as our
business goes one way or the other.

Speaker 7 (22:35):
So and we were we were, I mean personally I.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Was unaware of all that stuff going on, but yeah,
kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
So my premise has been that I think that the
left has gotten so radical that they they begin with
violence and fear and intimidation as they're step one and
I and I just think that I've not always thought
that Democrats as a whole were that way, but I
think the way the party's gone now that's what's happening.
But let me ask you. I think there's one way
to defeat someone that's trying to intimidate you, to use

(23:04):
shame or to do something to damage your business to
pursue their political beliefs or philosophies, and that is for
people to rally. Maybe you could share with our listeners
where is where are your locations? Do you have more
than one? And what are the addresses? If someone would
like to become and purchase milk or I guess you
have ice cream? Do you have other things other than

(23:24):
the milk?

Speaker 8 (23:26):
Yes, we do, so we have we have three locations.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Our flagship kind of original stores is in Morgan proper
one five North Commercial Street in Morgan, Utah. And then
we have two more, one in Centerville, Utah.

Speaker 7 (23:40):
That's three thirty North Marketplace Drive sweep.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
B eight hundred in Centerville. And then our most recent
one is in Ogden thirteen twenty seven Wall Avenue, Ogedin
U Type four four oh four.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
We do.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Yeah, raw milk is a big, big hitter.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
We've done that for a long time, but a few
years ago we also started making ice cream. We were
two time Best of State the Best of State awards.
We've won that two times in a row for the.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I'm looking picture of it right now. Yes, you are
the winning of the Best of State. I was going
to brag about it too. So, I mean you're you're
a You're an upper, You're the your top shelf in
terms of winning Best of State. Is that for your
ice cream or is it for all of it?

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yeah, that's for That's for our ice cream. It's really
good ice cream. So yeah, if people you know, and
people that don't are choose out to consumer on milk,
which is totally up to them, Yeah, you can come
get our ice cream.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
Our ice cream is not raw.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
Our ice cream is pasteurized and and anyway, So okay,
if there's other options, there's other options to people.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
So let me ask you this in the aftermathic has
there been any public outreach too, because I I personally,
I don't want you to feel that you're intimidated to
be open, that you don't have to succumb to that
kind of vandalism, criminal activity, UH to do your job
and to be a small family business. Are you what's
the vibe you're feeling right now? Is it? Are people
afraid to come by after this happens? Have you received

(25:08):
more support? What's what's been the aftermath?

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Like, holy smokes, we can't we couldn't think. I wish
I could go and shake hands with every single person
that's been so positive and has been shown so much support.
I recently, my manager at our Ogden store just text
me a picture of somebody that brought in flowers in
a card for us, you know, I mean things like that.
It's been it's been a really out you know, an

(25:32):
outpouring of support for us, and we're super grateful for
you know, we also want to say and recognize like
there are much bigger problems going on in the world
and this was this was very minor. It was easily cleaned.
Nobody was hurt, no damage, no property was damaged. So
we appreciate every support, and we also recognize that there

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are other things going on that are more important than
an ice cream shop getting a little little bit of hate.
But we do appreciate everybody that's reached out and showing
some love and support.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Well, Trevor, I thank you for taking some time to
join us on the program and share your background Andrew's story,
and good luck to you. I hope that our listeners
are able to come by your place and if they
don't know about it or didn't know about it, they're
going to enjoy it when they find you. So thank
you for joining us on the program and good luck,
and let's hope you're not on the receiving end of
this any longer.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Greg, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
That was Trevor Rose, owner of the Milk Barn creamery
that was on the receiving end of the leftist intimidation violence.
Call it what you want. I want to talk about
that a little bit when we come back from the break.
Get your thoughts, maybe on this and some other issues.
You're listening to Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Cannoris.
It's unfair. He didn't know anything about it. He's just

(26:50):
doing his job. This is a family farm that's been
milking cows for one hundred years, and here he is
on the Rodden Greg show talking about leftist political violence.
I want to talk about that with you as well.
We got a great talkback comment I want to go
to right now about this topic.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
Citizen Hughes. The Democrats, the left is not just becoming
the party of violence. They always have been. What about
the weather underground, what about everything else? This is just
a continuation and perhaps, let's say, a flare up of
things that have been happening in the past and unfortunately
will probably continue in the future.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
I appreciate that comment, and he's exactly right. I think
this is a difference for me.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I've heard the Democrats oftentimes complain about Republicans are all racist.
If you didn't believe what the Democrats believe, you were
guilty of either intellectual failure or moral failure. They would
find some whack job who's manifesto was right of center,
and they would try to broadbrush all Republicans into that category.

(27:52):
You know, I just I have resisted trying to broadbrush
people that are Democrats into some of the worst examples
or some of the insane behavior of people that may
be of the same party. Where I have crossed the
rubicon and I now believe that this is not just
flare ups or just a random acts by violent people

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within a political party. Is it is now so pervasive,
It is happening so much, it is it is so
common that if you're a Democrat today in twenty twenty five,
and you're not speaking up and speaking up loudly, condemning
this behavior, condemning the violence, condemning what's happened to this,
this family's business. If you're not distancing yourself verbally with everyone,

(28:32):
you know, then you're part of the problem. You're part
of the problem with that that that political party, because
it's growing. It's not it's it's it's getting worse. In
my mind, I think this is and weird people are
normalizing this. This is why I want to have this
topic talked about, and I hope we get to talk
about in the five o'clock hour. That'll be up to you,
the listeners, but I think this is being normalized, and

(28:53):
I think if it is, we're in big trouble because
I don't think we're going to go to the We
will never go to this extent. And if they get
to use intimidation and fear and violence to pursue their
political agenda, human history shows that the people they can
get away with that usually are pretty successful at it.
And I'm not willing to go I'm not willing to
let that happen. I'm not willing to let this be normalized.

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And other than John Fetterman and a few others that
you can name with one hand who we are pushing back,
even Bill Maher of all people separating themselves and calling
this out. If you're not willing to do that, then
you are absolutely part of the problem. And you don't
get the luxury of saying, well, that's not me. So
that's how I feel about that. I think, really honestly,

(29:35):
we have to start talking about the Left is now
the party of violence. They the way they want to
pursue public policy is to make you afraid. They did
it with the Tesla takedown. They've done it. We could
just go on and on on examples, looking backwards, but
going forward? Are you okay with this? Are you okay
with businesses that wake up one morning go to their
business and see it strewn with graffiti and damage because

(29:59):
their business some how correlated with a Republican political opponent
that they have and they don't agree with, and they
think that that's somehow okay, because they do think it's okay.
Even the shutdown and all the people that they harmed,
they wanted to use that as leverage. They wanted to
raise the misery index on the American people. I want
to get your comments eight to eight five seven zero

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eight zero one zero when we come back after the break.
You listen to the Rodney Gregg Show back after this.
I would love to hear from you. The issue that
I'm looking to talk about. We can talk about a
couple of things. We had the discussion about the H
one B visas and whether they're necessary or how much
they're necessary. What should the president do? There's been different
ideas that he himself has even had, and how to

(30:42):
move forward. What do you think about that process. The
one that I'm just kind of hot under the collar
about is this political violence. I think it's so prevalent
I think the left is doing it. I think let
it's happening so often that if you are a Democrat
and you are not publicly and very loudly condemning this
behavior and doing it often to make sure people don't

(31:02):
mistake you for someone who wants to will people into
complying with what you want through violence or fear, then
you're part of the problem.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Your silence is part of the problem.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
So what do you say, folks, Do you think this
is as big of a problem as I'm seeing or
is it? Or am I just being a little bit
too dramatic. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Andrea,
who's in Hooper Andrea, thank you for holding. Welcome to
the Rodd and Gregg Show.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Hey, Greg, how are you today?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Good? Thank you for calling.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
That's good. I just wanted to make an observation that
I think these liberals that are turning to violence are
doing so because they don't have a way to regulate
their emotions. This is the generation that participation trophies in
school for just showing up and didn't actually have to
do anything to distinguish themselves, and so as a result

(31:55):
of that, they expect that they're going to be on
the winning side all the time, and when they don't
get their way, I mean, you've heard them in arguments.
They're classic narcissistic personality disorder. If you disagree with them,
they either gaslight to you, or they outright lie to you,
or they call you filthy names. And if that doesn't work,

(32:16):
they turn to violence because, like I said, they're unable
to regulate their emotions and they don't know how to
handle people who have arguments that are superior to their
And since their arguments seldom makes sense, you know, they're
always flying off to handle and you've seen them in
the marches. They're chronically angry. They're just furious all the time.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
You know, you're so right. I think you described this
the Democrat Party the state of the party accurately. But
let me ask you the way you just described it,
I'd say, well, that'd be the younglings. Those are the
ones coming up. I see it out of the boomers,
I see it out of everyone. How did how did
the how did a party of people that even were
not participation in trophy types? If you don't mind me asking,

(32:56):
because I think you're just really insightful on this, but
how did they get so deranged with Trump and with
and really so willing to be so aggressive and not
really accept any diversity of thought.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Well, you know, years ago, the Democrat Party was not
what it is now. There were a lot more centrists
and people.

Speaker 10 (33:16):
Were a lot more reasonable in the party, and you.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
Could compromise with them. You look at them now and
they take these hardline positions and they're just absolutely unwilling
to consider any other point of view. And I think
a lot of the boomers have just been that way
their whole lives. But for some reason now they feel
like they can just let their anger go and they
don't have to rein it in anymore. They've probably been

(33:40):
that way for a long long time, but it just
wasn't politically correct to express that kind of anger and violence,
and now, for some reason it is. I guess it's
because we have the far left has taken over the
party and they've made it seem like it's okay to
act like that in public.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well said, Andrew, thank you for the comment the commentary.
I couldn't agree more. I think that the party's losing
its way. So when I keep hearing well in the midterms, boy,
Republicans are gonna be in trouble. And you know, you
know Trump, and you know people like to vote for Trump,
but they don't show up for other candidates. What is
what would be the motivation to vote for a party
that just wants to tear everything down, that only approaches

(34:19):
anything with nothing but anger and vitriol. There's nothing, there's
no building, there's no I don't see the positive side.
I think they have gotten so crazy, even this judge,
Diana Gibson, Diana Gibson, Diana Gibson.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
They they have so drawn dirty and thank you Rod.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
See Rod's that's our see from the football game itself.
Rod is reminding us who dirty Diana is. It's Diana Gibson,
the judge. She has so overplayed this hand to draw
a twenty four percent plus Kamala Harris Democrat district in
Utah that I wouldn't even say a centrist, but a

(34:57):
just left of center candidate like a McAdams.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
I don't think he's radical enough.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I think you're going to see that if Bernie Sanders
and AOC decide to get into the Republican congressional race
for that dark, dark blue, radical left district on the
books that a private organization was somehow able to draw.
Whoever Bernie and AOC endorse will win that seat. And
I don't think they're going to endorse Ben McAdams. I'm

(35:25):
going to tell you folks, they have so they've they've
they've cooked the books. It was Gavin Newsom and you
can look at the numbers or the dollars that came
into twenty eighteen who put that prop for on the
ballot under words like neutrality and non no partisan consideration.
And now that we have the receipts, we know that
that neutrality and no partisan consideration meant Democrats no consideration

(35:47):
of Republicans. But that's what they meant. A revisit on
a state wide ballot of that prop for, I think
the redo would go very very differently, and I hope
that we have an opportunity to maybe revisit that and
not let what's happened to us in the state stand.
But again, was that diversity of thought? Was that even
how they did this, how they told people one thing
and they've then done another.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
It to me, I agree with our caller.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't think they have they can stand toe to
toe on issues and they really have to resort to
things like this, it called dougery, violence, intimidation to really
get their agenda satisfied. That's I think we're just seeing
that in spades. Let's go back to the phone. Let's
go to Robert and Clinton. Robert, thank you for calling
the rodn and Greg show. What do you make of
all this?

Speaker 7 (36:33):
Greg?

Speaker 11 (36:33):
You know I have to agree with you. I would
say that present day the Democratic Party, they are the
party of violence. And I think that there's evidence to
support that. Just to look back and hear what Joe
Biden had to say, Remember he said that we should
put they should put President Trump in the bulls eye, right,

(36:57):
and Jamila Harra said that PLM should continue protesting the streets.
Maxeing Waters, Hey, let's get up in their face where
you see the cabinet members. So, Greg, I do believe
you're right, they're sadly the party of violence.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
And it's almost counterintuitive because you don't want to whole
cloth put everybody in that category. But who are we
seeing standing up to these bullies, who in the Democrat
Party side is saying no, no, that's not us. We're
not trying to intimidate you into submission, we do want
to have this discussion or debate about ideas. Is there
anyone you can I can think of John Fetterman after

(37:35):
a stroke in a counseling session.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I can't think of anyone.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Else, you know, Greg, I can't either.

Speaker 11 (37:42):
I think Fetterman and he has surprised me really with
some of the rational comments, sense thinking. But other than him,
I just don't think there's anyone.

Speaker 7 (37:52):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
No, I don't thank you for thank you for calling,
and thank you for your comments, because I think it's
true and it's it's something that it's almost a challenge.
I worked with Democrats across the aisle. There's some issues
that just in the legislative process doesn't really fit into
a political party platform per se. There's just some unattended
consequences of the legislature, legislation or laws that you can amend,

(38:14):
and you'll see super majorities on a lot of different
votes that just are just smart the business the business
of governing. And so I've known Democrats for a long time.
They I think they appreciated the fact that they knew
exactly when we didn't agree. I didn't have to be
mean about it. But I've never you know. I've never
been a Wilting Violet, but I've known them, and I
would not say the people that I worked with were

(38:36):
prone to violence, but I will tell you I don't
see them my former colleagues that were Democrats, I don't
see them in the headlines right now in the paper
and social media condemning everything that we're seeing. And so
I'm just it seems like that's where we've gone. We've
come to with this party is if you're not speaking
up and distancing yourself, then you're part of the problem.

(38:56):
Let's go to Curtis, who is in Clearfield. Curtis, thank
you for holding. Welcome to the Rodd and Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
How you doing God?

Speaker 12 (39:04):
So you could answer me this the redistricting process. Isn't
that within the US or the Utah Constitution as a
legislative function?

Speaker 4 (39:16):
It is, so could if you were to.

Speaker 12 (39:20):
Go in and try to change the Utah Constitution. How
what percentage of the vote do you need if you
want to change something from the legislative and well.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
The way the constitution is amended is you have to
get two thirds of the House and the Senate to
do it. And then so you need a two thirds
majority to even get it in front of the people.
This did not go through any of that process they paint.
They it's a Curtis, I know exactly where you're going.
They framed this as just a law that would propose

(39:48):
a process that the legislature, because they have the ultimate power,
could accept or vote against and not accept and just
keep moving on. It was it was supposed to just
bring more neutrality to the process. But look where we
stand today. None of that's the case.

Speaker 12 (40:04):
Right, And but how can I think this should be
overturned on this on the grounds that you cannot change
the US or the Utah constitution with a vote of fifty.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Point three percent, I couldn't agree.

Speaker 12 (40:19):
You have to get two thirds of the vote to
do it. I think it should be overturned on that alone.
It should be overturned.

Speaker 10 (40:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Thank you for your comment, Curtis. I will just say this,
and you're exactly right. But the problem is, we've had
a state Supreme Court ruling that came prior to this
judge making this ruling that said that.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
These citizens' initiatives have a new.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Standing in law. They are almost like a constitutional amendment
in that the legislature cannot once it's becomes law, like
in a general session, can amend any part of it,
whether it's unattended consequences or anything like that, and so
it becomes a super law as some have called it.
This is our state Supreme Court that ruled this way
that just recently. It has We've never seen it. If

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you have a law passed by a statewide ballot or
by a legislative body, it is a law, and it
can't unless you've had to Curtis's point, unless it's a
constitutional amendment with two thirds majority in your House and
Senate and then brought before the people. It does not
have that strength that you can because you can't pass
laws to violate our constitution. So you know, we have
this weird interpretation that state wide ballots now have this

(41:23):
higher threshold that they cannot be amended at all by
the state legislature, which I will tell you there's going
to have to be a state wide ballot that addresses
that interpretation, I believe, because I think it's going to
ultimately be up to the people to decide how we
navigate from here. Because make no mistake, this legislative branch
has lost separate and equal powers. It's not that it's

(41:45):
threatened to. It's not that it's on the verge of
it has lost. It has lost its ability to represent
the people that elected them to do the job the
Constitution tells them to do. We are going to have
to see that dealt with. And I think the only
real remedy will be another ballot measure by the people
to make their voices known. And this time you got
receipts on what neutral and non partisan no partisan consideration means.

(42:08):
It means this farce of a district that's a plus
twenty four percent Kamala Harris District. That's what they had
meant all the time. Ray, do we have time for
the collorsh I go to the break and come back. Okay,
we're gonna go to a break right now. We're actually
over time, but i'd astell callers to hang on over
the break and we will continue this discussion. You're listening
to Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Canras.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I am hot under the collar about this about what
I feel is the increasing presence of violence and intimidation
from the Democrat Party. And I am to the point
where if I know a Democrat and I'm not hearing
them condemn this behavior publicly and loudly, then they're part
of the problem. I'm and I'm happy to tell my
friends who are Democrats that as well, that they're part

(42:51):
of the problem if they can't condemn what we're seeing
happening to people here, even in the state of Utah.
This isn't reserved for things happening nationally.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
This is we had. That's why we had the guest.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
On at the four o'clock hour from the Milk Barn
creamery there his business was vandalized. Let's go back to you,
our listeners. Let's go to Bob. Bob you're from You're
in Kansas. That must mean you're listening to the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Is that right?

Speaker 11 (43:14):
That is correct?

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Absolutely, thank you for listening to the app. We appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (43:19):
Well.

Speaker 11 (43:20):
I like listening to so when I'm coming home, I
can listen to you.

Speaker 13 (43:24):
I uh.

Speaker 11 (43:25):
Had had an opertunity a couple of weeks ago to
go through the Lincoln Museum and Library in the Springfield,
Illinois and inside of the museum they have, you know,
different displays that they have a recreation of the White
House and in that you go through different rooms, and

(43:46):
one area that just completely struck me was this room
that had all the political cartoons and commentary about Lincoln
as he was fighting against slavery, and you could, you know,
like there's things like Lincoln is going to destroy democracy,

(44:07):
or it's so Lincoln and that in a king's hat.
You could have easily have gone through and crossed out
all the names of Lincoln and put Trump there and
it would have been the same dialogue.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (44:19):
And I guess what strike strikes me is that, you know,
Jesse Kelly, you know, labels us all as communism for
the far left Democratic Party, but really I think it's
a better term of being evil. Back in Lincoln's time,
he was fighting against the evil of slavery. And every

(44:41):
once in a while, whether Republican or a Democrat, manually
democrat is you know that they're being some of are
being overtaken by evils. And I think we need to
identify it as evil, because I mean Lincoln's time, there
wasn't communism then, but there was evil and evil and slavery.
And right now there's a lot of evil going on,

(45:04):
and I think that's what we need to encourage our
Democratic friends and saying, hey, you've got to see speak
up against evil.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
And you know, Bob, I couldn't agree more so. First
campaign right out of high school I worked was the
Bush Quail nineteen eighty eight campaign against Michael Ducaccus and
Massachusetts governor. And I don't recall the kind of rhetoric
that we're seeing now. Maybe it was there and I
just didn't see it. But when you make a fascinating
comparison between the rhetoric that and the opposition that Lincoln

(45:33):
faced and the things they would accuse him of, his
opponents would accuse him of, and how similar that sounds
to what's happening today with Trump. Has it always been
this way or do you think there's been an acceleration
as of late.

Speaker 11 (45:46):
Well, I still like it's a acceleration because I think
that there's things coming down the pike. But I think
that we have to identify that evil is from Satan
and the things are going on right now, I think
we have to all speak up against that. And so
we we see evil of slavery, or egal of evil

(46:07):
of segregation, or evil whatever happen is happening, we need
to speak up and say, wait a minute, this is evil.
We need to not follow the and be a child
of that.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
And so Bob, thank you so much. Thanks for going
from Kansas too. I love the Kansas hookup. I think
that's a great That just shows that the app works.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Folks.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
You hear that as clear as a bell. We have
a great listener who's listening from Kansas. Okay, folks, we're
gonna go to a break. I'd like to continue this.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
It's up to you.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
It's this is this is your show. I love to
hear what you want to talk about. We talked to
H one B one visas. There's a lot going on,
but I am just really bothered by this. This small
business in Ogden that was vandalized, and I hate this
process we see happening more often. I don't want it normalized.
Love to hear your comments. Eight eight eight five seven
zero eight zero one zero is the number to call,

(46:55):
or you can always use a talk back a line
on the app. Coming back after you want to hear us.
After we come back from his break and you are
listening to Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine canras,
We've got Dennis in West Jordan. Dennis, thank you for
holding over the break.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Welcome. What do you think about these Democrats?

Speaker 13 (47:15):
Yes, good evening. Well, listening to your program reminded me
of a story I read a few years ago that
back in the early nineteen hundreds, if we want to
know how the Democrat Party got to where they are today,
go back to the early nineteen hundreds with the gentleman
by the name of Eugene Debs, a Marxist, and he

(47:37):
ran for president for four or five times. The last
time he ran was from prison. So he realized that
they weren't going to win any election since they never
got more than like six percent of the vote. So
he said, from now on, we're going to throw our
weight behind the party that most closely resembles our goals,

(47:58):
which was of course the Democrat Party. So here you
have a Marxist early in the nineteen hundreds, and in
the nineteen forties they started throwing the leak behind the
Democrat Party. So by nineteen seventies they had completely taken
control of the Democrat Party. And that's what we call
the left wing of the Party of the Progressives, the

(48:18):
very far left, or the communist Marxists. They're the ones
that are running the show today and that's why we
have the problems we do.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, I agree. This is the part they used to
not say the quiet part out loud. You knew that
that was part of it, and you could sense that
some of the things they said didn't match their actions.
But they're willing to say the quiet part quite loud.
In fact, that's all you hear now is the were Marxists.
You hear the most leftist rhetoric now coming from them.
What do you think changed.

Speaker 13 (48:48):
Well they today. I think they know that they're winning
the game, and they're playing the long term, the long gain,
the march through the institutions. So I think they realized
that they have right now. They're pretty much the upper
hand and they're pushing it as hard as they can.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I agree with that. Thank you, Dennis for your call
and your take. I concur Let's go to Mark in
West Jordan. Mark, thank you for holding in. Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (49:14):
Hello, Greg. I'm concerned about the lack of coverage from
the national news media that is conservative on the loss
of this congressional seat. I've emailed myself everyone I can
think of, but no one wants to cover it.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
It seems like it.

Speaker 10 (49:30):
Seems like the conservative size has just given up.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
You know, you're so right, Mark, I agree with you.
And in fact, the only people that spiked the football
on this, and I mean, don't cause concern, but say
this is a great thing. As an MSNBC or a CNN,
they're willing to celebrate the fact that they have been
able to retrieve a blue seat. They'll say what, no
one everyone is still trying to say, no, there's no

(49:55):
partisan consideration here on a plus twenty four percent Kamala
Harris seat.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
People inside the state.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
The Democrats here still want to go with that charade
or that trojan horse, Whereas a King Jeffreys in Congress
and CNN and MSNBC, all of them are saying, yes,
we've got the most dark blue seat handed to us
in the state of Utah, and they're celebrating. And I
see that celebration. But to your point, I don't see
the concern and the appropriate attention being brought from the

(50:22):
other side. I agree, Thank you for the observation. I
think that'll change. I know that it's on the radar politically.
I just wish we would hear more commentary because again,
Democrats are even bragging about how they've convinced through Pence
of all people, Indiana not to do the redistricting, and
that's a Republican controlled redistricting and they're being threatened Missouri

(50:43):
was supposed to do it. They're backing out. They got
senators there, they're backing away from that now and the
Democrats are cheering. So they're getting Republican states out of
redistricting and they're taking seats out of a blue a
red state like the state of Utah. Let's go to Richard,
who's been who is an Alpine Richard, Welcome to the

(51:04):
Roddy Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
Well, thanks, Greg, I love your show and loved the
comments you guys make. It's really scary to me when
I hear that people from out of state are coming
to UBU to tell our kids and brainwash them about
the LDS faith and tell them and literally telling them
that they can prove it because they've seen angels and

(51:28):
had witness of the things that the LDS Church stays for.
It is not true. It goes back to what happened
to Charlie. Though Charlie seemed like a great guy, told
it straight up, and they killed him or had him
killed and I'm very concerned about the brainwashing that's going
on with our young people today. It's worse than ever.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Richard, I agree.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
I got to tell you I saw I was a student,
and I was the pioneer in my family. I took
the little Suzuki Samurai in nineteen ninety one across the plains,
a little ragtop car and arrived in Utah and went
to UVSC at the time first, and then went to BYU.
That is, you know, that's over thirty years ago. It

(52:07):
is such a different place today, Utah, but even Utah
County from the place that I went to school. I
remember the diversity of thought when I was at I
was the editorial editor at uv Now UVU is UVSC,
and of course you could imagine I was a conservative
and there would be people that would have a disagreement
with me. And I enjoyed the debates. I thought that

(52:29):
when we had people come on campus at BYU and
there was a debate on issues, that that was a
good thing. At the Clarence Thomas Trials, we had debates
with people that were that had left of center opinions,
even associate professors, but they seemed they weren't the norm
they were kind of the outliers, and we would have
but we would have these debates, and I loved it.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I always thought, you've got to have this. This is
how you.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
I mean, I was tested on what I believed by
those that were smart but believed otherwise. Not only does
that not exist anymore, it is so far left. You
can't even spouse a conservative thought. You can't talk about
your faith in a religious institution. You can't talk about
a lot of things without being ostracized or told that

(53:11):
what you're saying is just hateful. We've even seen I
hate to say, but to think that what happened to
Charlie Kirk and his assassination happened on the campus that
I was a student of. In the state of Utah,
we have got some terrible, terrible problems from people that
live here, people that have moved here. In this state

(53:32):
has changed now, I got to tell you. The stats
still say that we are the one state that has
more two parent families than any other state in America.
We have the state that volunteers It's time more than
any other state in America. We have there are so
many strong demographics that point to a strong society that
we still have in the state of Utah, but we
are losing much of it. And I am telling you

(53:54):
we're losing it to a leftist agenda narrative that doesn't
look like anything that I know you taugh to be.
And so I think again, I'm just I'm on it
today because I'm so mad about this small business in
this family of farmers that got their business vandalized for
reasons that have nothing to do with them. Because these
people are just lunatics. So I want to continue to

(54:16):
talk about it. Thank you for your call. We're going
to go to a break right now and again maybe
land this ship on this discussion in the final break
or final segment of this hour. Democrats is at the
party of violence, and if you're not speaking up, you're
part of the problem.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yes or no.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero
is the number to call. You're listening to Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine Cannis. I'm citizen Greg Hughes.
Rod is with us in spirit. He's at the football game.
He's at Monday night football. We'll have to I'll talk
to him at some point before the show starts tomorrow.
He'll be commuting back tomorrow, so he won't be with

(54:50):
us again tomorrow. But I'll get I'll get the deats,
I'll get all the lowdown on the game. I think
all of us want to see the Cowboys wing just
so he's not honery. We want them to be happy.
We love a happy Rod. So I hope I hope
the Cowboys. I've never heard myself say this out loud,
but I hope the Cowboys win. I don't usually cheer
for the Cowboys, but I cheer for Rod. So let's
hope he has a good game. But look, this is

(55:10):
a I wanted to just kind of land this because
we're going to get in the next In the next hour,
we're going to talk to John Hart, he's the CEO
of Open the Books that he has some startling data
to share about government employee salaries. It's as bad as
you think, and maybe even worse. But we're going to
talk about that in the next hour and maybe talk
about this economy and what's going on with it. But

(55:30):
I just think I want to finish this this last
segment by talking about I think that we have if
we normalize the kind of violence that we are seeing
the left just gravitate to or not interrupt, and we
see people that are trying to compel behavior through fear.
We have to even if it's uncomfortable. I know people

(55:51):
don't like uncomfortable conversations, but I think in any capacity
we have, be at social media, through our friendships and associations,
we have to have zero tolerance for political violence. This
has been the easiest position for me to take. I've
never supported I don't have selective logic when it comes
to political violence.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
I'm not for it.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I don't agree with it. I've never said once that
anything that's been done on whether it's been right of center,
if it's been violent, it's you're not seeing me apologize
or explain it away. But I will tell you this,
the left absolutely has selective logic on this. They had
by memorandum by and I read this. I had a
former colleague send me when the Trump and Biden administration

(56:30):
was going on, said that that Secretary of my ORCIS
had identified in a formal memo from the Homeland from
Department of Homeland Security that a warning that domestic terrorists
could be found within groups of veterans parents that attend
school board meetings and are angry, people that go to church,

(56:52):
and those that own guns and believe in the in
the Second Amendment right to bear arms. Those four categories
were tells or potential areas of affiliation that could lead
someone to be a domestic terrorist. And I said, that's
that sounds like that sounds like hyperbole. Is there something
you know? She sent me the document and and it is.

(57:12):
It was a formal and official position of the Biden
Home Department of Homeland Homeland Security that those affiliations a
veteran angry parent at a school board, a someone that
attends church, or someone who owns guns and exercises the
right to bear arms are potential domestic terrorists. And and

(57:34):
so we've seen such an aggressive attack on our liberties
and our freedom, and now that we're now that we're
seeing violence excused away, dismissed, not talked about. We've had
a horrific homicide of a poor child over the weekend
by someone here that's here illegally, that the media has

(57:54):
never covered.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
It's so sad.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I don't really want to cover it myself because it's
just I don't want to. It's just I don't want
to politicize it. And I probably should talk more about it.
But we don't have the media pointing out the consequences
of these illegals that are here in our country and
harming people. We don't have we have a Biden story
about the Biden administration who led a known terrorist into

(58:17):
and I can't believe they were known. Maybe they just
were too incompetent to not know they were a dangerous
terrorist who had a commercial driver's license out of California,
none of which was legal, none of which was appropriate,
but they did. They had it. That's been discovered and
that's being dealt with now with this administration. But we
are being we're I think we're under attack. I think

(58:38):
there is an incredibly aggressive agenda being taken. And it's
not on the diversity of thought. It's not on debate,
it's not on uh maybe a battle of you know,
issues and debate. It is done through fear. It's done
through intimidation. It's done to make you feel like you
need to be quiet or else you find yourself on

(58:59):
the wrong side of attacks. And I hope this this uh,
this Milk Barn Creamery, I hope they enjoy the best
business they've had and maybe ever In response, to the
type of violence political violence that they've been subject to
that they have nothing to do with. They have no
say what RFK Junior authorizes or not. In terms of
raw milk and selling it. All you need to know

(59:21):
is it in the state of Utah. There is a
legal way to be licensed to have it and to
use it. It goes through a rigorous testing. It's been
on the books for eleven years in our state. And
if RFK looks at that or whatever it made him
decide that that would be something that you can do.
It certainly isn't this farmer, this family of farmers and
small business owner. It certainly wasn't their fault, and yet

(59:43):
they have to deal with this. I just think we've
got to speak up, folks. I think it's it's that time.
It's that time that we just we have zero tolerance
for those that want to be violent, that want to threaten,
that want to to intimidate us into compliance, because that's
that's the only tool they really have. Okay, when we
come back, like I said, we're gonna talk to John Hart,

(01:00:04):
he is the CEO of Open the Books. We're gonna
find out about these federal salaries. There are climbing sky I, folks,
we'll talk about that when we come back. If you're
listening to Talk Radio one oh five to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Nine an rs oh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
We're about ten minutes from kickoff the Monday night football game,
of which Rod is cheering for his Cowboys, and so
he is not with us right now, but he's here
in spirit. I know he wished he'd be here. In fact,
he's such a news junkie he doesn't. He sends us
E Ray, producer E Ray and myself stuff. He's still
coming across. He can't let it go, and I'm glad.
I'm really glad that he's he that he can't because

(01:00:38):
it's fun doing it and look forward to him getting back.
He'll also be in commute tomorrow, so you have me
flying solo also in for tomorrow's program as well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
But hey, it's all right. I'm handling the board.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I think I've got it and we can hold the
fort while Rod is at the game. Well, the cat's
away the mice. We will continue to play. Okay, we've
got an important interview here. I'm very excited for our
next guest. It is John Hart. He is the CEO
of Open the Books. He has just released that his
organization's just released a report on the high federal salaries

(01:01:11):
that they have discovered, and it comes at a good time. So, John,
welcome to the program. Let me just say this, there
is a very broad discussion happening in America right now
about affordability. Is the economy of improving? Can people afford things?
The everyday American still feels under the gun in terms
of things being so expensive. And while we're having that conversation,

(01:01:34):
you have a report that says that government employment and
government salaries are going sky high.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
What is going on with the pay of government employees.

Speaker 14 (01:01:45):
Well, unfortunately keeps getting the government keeps getting bigger and bigger,
and sederal employees keep getting paid more and more. And
it's strongly because this has happened at a time when
you know, private sector salary has been relatively flat in
the past year. And if you look at what you
found over the past four years, we've just looked at
twenty twenty to twenty twenty four. We don't have the
numbers yet for this year. Hopefully there's been kind of

(01:02:06):
a slide decline in some agencies. Some agencies have seen
an increase, but what we saw is that government salaries
rose thirty three percent faster than private sector salaries.

Speaker 11 (01:02:18):
So that's a you know, the.

Speaker 14 (01:02:19):
Government saw twenty five percent increase and the private sector
only grew by you know, fifteen percent over the over
that that four year period. But that that bump happened
in the private sector because of the people coming back
from COVID. So actually the gap is probably quite a
bit bigger. So again, and this year we've had maybe

(01:02:39):
one percent increase in wages, where the government keeps growing
by you know, five or six percent a year, which
is much, which is twice as fast as the rate
of inflation, the rate of wage growth. And so look,
this is unsustainable. Is that we've got a thirty thirty
eight billion dollars national debt. We're spending more every year
on interest payments on the debt that we all are

(01:03:00):
on our national defense. So we've got it, We've got
to write the ship. And look, the way to change
this is to make sure the American taxpayers understand how
much of their money is going to increasing the size
of the administrative state. And it's not making our lives better,
it's making people's lives worse. It's making inflation worse.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
You know, I look at I look at median income.
I look at statistics in terms of how much every
day Americans are making by way of their income, their
their profession. It's in the five figures, it's not in
six figures. Your report says that of those that in
federal government employed by federal government making six figures and
even growing in that number. Maybe give some context to that,
because I think that's shocking as well.

Speaker 14 (01:03:45):
Oh yeah, it's incredible. So if you just look at
people who are one hundred thousand dollars or more, between
twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, that number went up
forty nine percent. So back in twenty twenty, we had
about five hundred and thirty two thousand people make more
than one hundred thousand dollars, and in twenty twenty four
it was all the way up to seven hundred and
ninety three thousand. And look, when you know I live

(01:04:07):
outside the DC area, you know, one hundred thousand dollars,
it's a very expensive city. But if you go up
to the next income level, it's two hundred thousand dollars.
We saw an increase of eighty two percent of people
making two hundred thousand dollars or more in that four
year period. So in twenty twenty there were thirty seven
thousand federal employees making more than two hundred thousand, but

(01:04:30):
in twenty twenty four there were sixty eight thousand, and
you also had three hundred thousand dollars earners. Okay, it
gets worse. You know, about seventy six hundred and twenty
twenty and all the way up to fourteen thousand and
eighty four percent increase in twenty twenty four. So again
it's it's not sustainable. And the cost of federal employees

(01:04:51):
is about two hundred and seventy billion dollars a year,
so it's a very significant amount, but it's even the growth.
It's even bigger is the growth of entitlement programs and
the overall administrative state. So this is just one indicator.
So we've got to get the overall spending under control
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
So you're just looking at the last four years, and
so my question is, and I don't know if you've
looked at the data, was this a trajectory that is
just staying on trajectory or was this an explosion or
just a massive increase in a short I think four
years is a short amount of time. What did it
look like prior to COVID and prior to the twenty
twenty do you know?

Speaker 14 (01:05:27):
Yeah, really really what we've seen look over the past
one hundred years, we've had a very very steady but
significant growth in the size of the administrative state, in
other words, the government within Washington, DC. And the founders
saw this happen, you know, they sort of saw this coming.
That's why we have a constitution that was designed to

(01:05:48):
limit the power of the federal government. You know, Thomas
Jefferson said, the natural order of things is for liberty
to yield and government to gain ground. So instead of
decisions being made it the local and state level, more
and more decisions have been sent to Washington. And then
you have politicians in DC say no, we're gonna, We're gonna,
you know, send the money back home. It's like, well,

(01:06:10):
don't send the money home. Don't take it from people
in the first place. That's the more compassionate sensible thing
to do is leave leave dollars and decisions in states
and local communities, rather than send it to Washington to
have it be sent back in the form of benefits. Uh,
you know, we don't want a federal food pantry, won't
We won't have a sea food pantry in your local church,

(01:06:31):
you know, in your local place of worship. That's that's
really where problems are solved and needs your best met.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Can you stem the tide? Can we stem this tide?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
This growth it's unsustainable, we know, but there's a lot
about federal government growth that's unsustainable. But these salaries while
the everyday American is really struggling, How do you how
do you reverse course here? Is there something in the works?
Is this because judges don't like to let President Trump
do any kind of layoffs or anything like that when
he tries to well, what are we doing about that?

Speaker 8 (01:06:59):
Sure? Sure?

Speaker 14 (01:07:00):
Look, look I am I am very I'm very hopeful
and confident in the capacity of decent, common sense people
to produce change. And and you know, look, whether whether
you're a fan of President Trump or or Mondonnie, and
I don't I doubt many listeners. What the election, you know,
what the election of these two people show is that

(01:07:22):
our system is amenable to change. In other words, if
you have enough people that decide they want to go
a certain direction, change is absolutely possible in our system.
And look, and I worked for a Senator from from Oklahoma,
Tom Coburn. We actually got rid of earmarks for over
a decade. You know, it took it took twelve years
to get that, to get that ban and acted, and

(01:07:43):
then it was reversed. But you know, politics is a
story of three steps forward, one step back, you know,
one step forward, two steps back. But you can never
give up. And history is full of plenty of examples
of of you know, really kind of miraculous things happening.
I think they're founding our country was one. I think
I think the work of William Roberforce in the UK

(01:08:05):
to get rid of the slave trade was one. So
there are examples of dramatic change, unexpected change happening, and
I think our country is really right for that. I
think people are tired of the growth of government, and
I think they know that they're not getting a good value.
And people are first is when you're when you go
and have lunch and you're spending you know, thirty dollars

(01:08:25):
instead of fifteen or twenty dollars. You know, everybody sees this.
Everyone knows that inflation's out of control. You have to
work harder, longer hours to afford the same things you
did four or five years ago. And when people decide
they're tired of it, you know change is possible, and
I think transparency is one of the tools to do that.
You can't have accountability without visibility, So we're trying to

(01:08:47):
provide visibility and just help people understand where their tax
dollars are going.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
John Hart, thank you for joining us on the program.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Keep up the good work. We need to see these numbers.
I just so thanks again for being on the show. Folks,
when you hear stats like people making over two hundred
thousand dollars a year in government has increased eighty two percent.
So whatever that number was four years ago, of people
in government making two federal government making two hundred thousand
dollars a year, that number has increased by eighty two

(01:09:16):
percent in four years. And think of the four years
we've had it doesn't it It's really disconcerting, and it's
something that we've got to We understand this machine, and
we understand why the swamp is what it is. But
this is what I want to do. We have before
we go to the break. I want to play so
Scott besst know this, Secretary. I think I said this
last week, I need a fireside chat with our secretary,

(01:09:39):
our Secretary of Commerce, Scott Beston, because.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
He's just calm, he knows, he.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Knows what's going to happen. I just need to hear it.
He kind of did this with Maria Bartiromo on her
program over the weekend. I'm just going to play a
portion of it. He is talking about what he sees coming.
He knows that there's been challenges they're dealing with, what
ob with what Biden left them. Inflation doesn't ever shrink.
It's like gaining weight. You might not gain more weight.
You might gain two and a half pounds seat of

(01:10:04):
nine pounds with Biden, but you're still heavier. And then
Secretary Beston knows this, but this is what he sees
coming going forward with the leadership of Donald Trump.

Speaker 15 (01:10:14):
I would expect in the first two quarters, we are
going to see the inflation curve bend down and the
real income curve substantially accelerate. And when those two lines cross,
Americans are going.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
To feel it.

Speaker 15 (01:10:29):
But a Maria, I will tell you what we're not
going to do. What we're not going to do is
tell the American people that they don't know how they're feeling,
which is what the Biden administration did. They said it
was a vibe session. You don't know how good you
have it, and we are working every day to get
these prices down the real time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
I love going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Okay, I love that because that's my biggest fear is
that they're saying, Hey, everything's great when it's not. We
know it's tough heat. The Secretary knows it's tough as
Trump knows. So when we come back after the break,
I'm going to talk a little bit about the condition
of our economy and what's going on going forward. So
you want to hang on after the break. You're listening
to the Rodd and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Can ress. I'm your host.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Citizen Greg Hughes lo our Quette is not here today,
he's here in spirit. He will not be here tomorrow,
but he will be back here on Wingman Wednesday. Can't
miss that. We you know, we've been talking about this economy.
We've been talking to John Hart. We just got off
with him and he's telling us the staggering increase in
the wages that government employees, federal government employees are receiving.

(01:11:32):
And it's in the last four years in a time
where we've probably felt I have felt, and I know
everyday Americans have felt the pinch of an economy. You know,
there's a couple of things going on. We've got young people,
and especially in Utah where young we have an emerging workforce.
And I know that our numbers are slowing down and
everything else. But if you take every state in the Union,

(01:11:54):
if you want jobs and you want economic growth, and
we're supply siders, we're Republicans. We don't think government Paulitians
putting numbers on spreadsheets is what turns dollars in revenue
for government to do what it does. It's really the
economy and the taxes that people pay. If you want
to see a successful economy, you need people that can work.
And there is no state better poised to grow an

(01:12:16):
economy with a young, emerging workforce in the state of Utah,
but our young people. And I'm telling you, I've heard
Charlie Kirk before, you know, when he was going to
the campuses and making this case.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
And I don't know how many people were listening.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I certainly didn't hear it until I started watching more
of Charlie Kirk's videos after he was horribly killed. But
he was warning people like Tucker Carlson, people like Glenn Beck,
you name it. He was warning them. I'm hearing in
gon college campuses that the free market doesn't look it
looks like it's an insider's game. It doesn't look like

(01:12:50):
it's there for me. It doesn't look like I have
access to it. If this is what a free market is,
maybe I'm open to a different form of government because
I don't. This looks like crony capitalism. Now, how do
you argue? I would argue, well, don't sign up for communism, socialism.
You're gonna get left at the altar. You're gonna hate it.
But if the average age of a new home buyer

(01:13:10):
has been has been is now forty years old, and
when it was twenty nine and thirty years old, not
long ago, and you've just lost a decade of time,
think about your life season that you're in at forty
years old versus twenty nine or thirty. We run into
some treacherous waters if we don't have a good economy
and the freedom of self determination for people to get

(01:13:33):
involved and to weigh in and be successful economically. So
you know, it's heavy on my mind that we're looking
at this, and so I see all the water we
took on with this Biden administration. And we just played
a clip before the break where Scott Besten's telling us
that the work they're doing, it's and it's not going
to just materialize right away, but we are seeing great improvements.

(01:13:55):
And he's talking about the inflation going down, job growth
going up, with salary going up here coming soon, and
I think these are all good signs. I want to
play for you, President Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
I love you.

Speaker 7 (01:14:06):
Know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
He's at an event called McDonald's Impact sum at twenty
twenty five, So he's talking to a lot of the
private business owners, the small business owners that own McDonald's franchises.
It's a big, big event, and he's introducing himself and
he wants to talk about the economy too. So let's
have a little listen of what how President Trump began
his speech today, and.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
I'm on interestand before you as the very first former
McDonald's fry cook ever to become President.

Speaker 6 (01:14:36):
Of the United.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Now he talks about how Kamala actually didn't work at
McDonald's as she had said, And there was some he
thanked whoever was at McDonald's that let them know that
that was actually a story, that was a bit of
a tall tale. But here let me play. He went
on to say, and talk about this economy. And these
are some points that I want us all to know,
so that we're we don't mistake this admit stration for

(01:15:00):
ignoring or not being aware of the challenges we have,
but of the good things, of the good signs that
we see coming here in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Well, a lot of work to do, and we're making
tremendous progress. One point nine million more American born workers
are employed today than when I took off to think
of that, one point nine million more today, and these
are American born workers. Nobody thought that was possible. And

(01:15:27):
we have the strongest borders in the history of our country.
Nobody comes in unless they come in legally. You see
the numbers. Everyone thinks it's impossible. A year ago, millions
of people were storming our borders. Today they only come
in if they come in legally. And wages for hourly
workers arising at the fastest pace in sixty years and

(01:15:48):
sometimes you might.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Say so, I'm so you hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
And I think the American border that completely flies in
the face of the leftist narrative that there's just some
jobs Americans won't do, that we're above the work, that
we're superior to it. The problem with the left when
they say things like that, it's false. But and we're
not afraid of hard work. American grit is part of
being an American is that they also, at the same

(01:16:14):
time will tell you, well, there's skilled jobs, engineering jobs,
skilled labor that Americans are frankly not smart enough to do.
Then you've basically painted the workforce of this country into
a corner where they're too good to do all the
you know, some work and they're not smart enough to
do the other. Where would you have our young people,
our merging workforce, How where would you want the existing

(01:16:36):
workforce to go? If those narratives have any truth to
them at all, they do not have truth to them,
And you have a president and administration that's committed into
is committed to showing otherwise. And I think this economy
is going to continue to grow. I want to see
when these fed rate cuts happen I want to see
credit card rates go down. I want to see car
loan rates, interest rates go down. I'm afraid there's some

(01:16:57):
harvesting of some of these recent rate cuts that we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Usually we haven't seen in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
I'm not seeing the gas prices go down as we
see oil crude oil selling on the West Texas Index
their market at sixty dollars a barrel, when that was
at sixty dollars a barrel during Trump's first term. We
saw two dollars a gallon gas in Utah, not just nationally,
but in Utah. Why is that not happening now? So
we want to see those things happen. I think we

(01:17:25):
keep an eye on it. I do think this administration
is working hard. But I don't think that there's a
This is an administration that's saying all is well, and
if you don't understand it, you're just too not You're
just not smart enough to know how good you have it.
There's a lot to be done here, but I'm glad
we have President Trump working on it, and I do
think we have good and brighter days ahead of us.
And that's kind of the dichotomy between that and government

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employees in the swamp, trying to make more money than
any of us, as fast as they can and as
much as they can. Okay, when we come back, we're
going to talk to a great Adam Turner. He's a
national security and political professional and contributor at Red State.
We're going to talk about what does the GOP need
to do by way of strategy for these twenty twenty
six midterms coming up. We're going to talk to him

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when we come back. After the break. You're listening to
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Canais. Football's on and
Rod is cheering his Cowboys as we speak. He's here
in spirit. It'll be back by Wednesday. But joining us
on the program now is that interview I've been looking
forward to for since e Ray told me that we
booked Adam Turner to join us on the program. Adam
is the national security and political professional and contributor of

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Red State, and he wrote a phenomenal, phenomenal article called
GOP needs a Strategy for twenty six Adam, Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (01:18:37):
Well, thank you very much and very nice to meet you.
Although I have to say I'm an Eagles fan, so
I can't go with the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Well I can't. You know, I like Rod, so I
got that. But I'm a Steelers fan. But you know,
I grew up in Pittsburgh. But you know, Pittsburgh Philadelphia
aren't in the same division. So it hasn't been a
it's not a rivalry like the brows.

Speaker 7 (01:18:53):
Of the right. I like the Steelers. I mean, I
don't root for them, but I like them.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
So I people don't realize that Pennsylvania can have the
Eagles on one side, Steelers on the other and we're
not really at each other's throats.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
It's not the same.

Speaker 7 (01:19:05):
Where the dividing line.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
That's right, Adam. I'll tell you why.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
I like your your piece, and it's it's something that
we've been discussing on this show today, but we've talked
about this for a while. Uh, everyday Americans are still
feeling an economic pinch. Inflation's like gaining weight if you
gain nine if it was inflation was nine percent with Biden,
it's nine pounds if you're just if inflation is down
to two and a half percent, you're still gaining weight.
You're heavier than you were before. So people are still

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feeling that Biden economy. You've got Trump voters that love Trump,
but they might not like politics and they don't trust politicians,
so they don't turn out in high numbers necessarily if
Trump's not on the ballot. And then Democrats get the
easy route where they get to just attack Republicans for
being bad. They never have to actually have any plans
or anything positive to present. They can just say, don't

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vote for us, because we're not them all those things
I just mentioned. What is the plan for the GOP
in these mid given kind of those factors that I've
just laid out that are tough, that will make the
midterms maybe tough.

Speaker 7 (01:20:08):
Yeah, And I'll say it's quite a change from before Trump.
It used to be the Republicans came out rain or
storm and the Democrats didn't, so we tended to win
in the like special elections and the midterms, and now
it's reversed. But yeah, we My column was just about
what we need to do or what I think we

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need to do. And I mean we saw in the
mid new terms, the twenty twenty five elections that we
actually had some good turnout, especially in New Jersey, which
sort of got lost in what happened because we got
crushed in New Jersey, but it's because the Democrats had
phenomenal turnout, so the Republican good turnout wasn't enough to

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win it. And we just have to figure a way
to get the Republican voters to come out. The good
thing is that was the mid mid terms. This will
be the midterms, so just logically speaking, we should be
getting more Republicans coming out for a bigger election, but
we also have to find ways to get them out
in other ways. And I had talked about, you know

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what the President's planning to do, talking about affordability, some
of the tariff rebate checks that he discussed. But I
think and I've always thought this, Like I used to
work in politics. I used to work on statewide campaigns
and we found and it's a sad thing to report,
but it's just true that negative campaigning always works, and

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it's always so much better than positive campaigning. And I
hate to say it, but what we need to do
is we need to find its target on the Democrat side,
and we need to demonize that person. And what I'm
thinking of is I'm old enough to remember nuke Ingrich
when he was the Speaker and That's exactly what the

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Democrats did in the nineties, even though he wasn't president.
They went after him and they turned him into some
horrible person and it got their people pumped up. And
I think we need to do something similar.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Well, Adam, I don't think it's as difficult. I think
we got some low hanging fruit here. I think we've
got Mam Donnie, who's a who's a socialist at best,
communist at worst, who's really leading the party. I just
read that a Keem Jefferies is going to have a
challenger that's a Mom Donnie Ally, so even a Keem
Jefferies isn't liberal or leftist enough. You've got some You've
got some bad players, guys like Schumer and AOC who

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seemed to be opposed to each other, but both were
willing to put the American people through hell in a
shutdown to try and gain political power. It looks like there's, uh,
there's there's plenty to point out. That's the obvious that
they could. Really you can call a negative campaign, you
can call it tell him the truth, but I think
you can get people to see the danger there. My
question to you is, do you make this campaign about

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President Trump. I mean, does it because I see his
turnout to Does this have to be the people that
are inspired by and turn out for Donald Trump have
to have that same energy for him in the midterms
or is this something that that Congress and the Republican
Party just have to take that momentum themselves.

Speaker 7 (01:23:15):
Well, on the D side, it's all going to be
about Trump because what they're doing, and I see this,
I unfortunately have a large number of relatives who really
despise President Trump, and they're almost out of control. You
almost can't talk to them about anything, and they're willing to,
as I said, as I wrote, to climb over broken
glass to vote against them. So on their side, it's

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all going to be about President Trump. Now, the problem
I see on our side is it is really tough
to be I'm not saying Republicans shouldn't be pro Trump.
I'm just saying it's hard to get people as excited
on our side to say, let's do this for President
Trump again, especially when he's not on the ballot. So

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I just don't see that motivating people. It hasn't in
the past. I mean, this has happened before, you know,
in nineteen eighty two. For example, Ronald Reagan had just
come in and he was setting things right, but there
was still a lot of blowback because the inflation wasn't
going down as quickly as people wanted, and you know,

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it was tough for him to win the eighty two elections,
and he didn't as a result.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Adam, what about this stock of a midterm Republican convention?
Is that? Is that an effective strategy? You're in your
story you say that Democrats have done this a number
of times without a president in power, But I had
not heard of that or knew it had happened.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
What does that look like? A mid term GOP convention?

Speaker 7 (01:24:46):
Sure, so they did it three times in seventy four,
seventy eight, and eighty two, and one of those years,
one of those times they had Jimmy Carr in office,
but it didn't focus on him. They did a very
strange mid term convention where they didn't really at some

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it was sort of like a way to let the
presidential candidates run because when there wasn't a Democratic president
and they didn't really focus much on the candidates, and
they ended up wasting a lot of money and not
really doing much. I think in this case, it's much
more likely to be helpful. Oh and I should also

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add that two of those midterm conventions were done after
the elections, which of course didn't help at all the
elections because it happened afterwards. So this one will be before.
This one is going to be managed by Donald Trump,
and the one thing we know about Donald Trump is
he is very good in terms of attracting attention for himself.

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I suspect it will be a lot very focused on him.
I would also assume they'll be sort of like, they'll
have prominent people running for House and Senates who will
get out and give a short speech, and then they'll
talk a lot about the issues, and they'll talk about
the negatives about the Democrats. So I think this is

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pretty new. I mean, as I said, the Democrats did it,
but they did it in a very different way, and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
This is sort of new.

Speaker 7 (01:26:23):
Plus it's a totally different you know error. I mean
that was the last one was nineteen eighty two. This
one's going to be in this century.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
So all does all that make up a plan? Do
we have a plan here?

Speaker 7 (01:26:35):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Do we have a is that a strategy? What you've
talked you talked about we got, we got people we
got to war America about that they're going to send
this country the wrong way, like Mom, Donnie and the left,
how radical they are. We get this convention coming up.
Final question, I guess what's your feelings about the midterms?

Speaker 7 (01:26:53):
Uh so, obviously I'm not as optimistic as I was
before the mid mid terms, right, but I don't the Senate.
I think we're going to hold just because we really
have good states that are up, Like, aside from Maine
and North Carolina, I don't really see how they're going
to win any other states because all the other states

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the Republicans have are solidly Republican. It's going to take
someone screwing up in a major way, which you really
can't count on. Now. The House is very much up
for grabs, but a lot depends on exactly what you
know the polling is at the time of the election,
which we're a year from so we don't really know.

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And then we have the redistricting, which is going to
change things and it could be so far it's a
net positive for Republicans, but you don't know exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Well, they stole one from us here in Utah, We're
we're in the middle of a redistricting absolute nightmare plus
twenty four percent Kamala Harris District in red Utah is
what's been drawn.

Speaker 7 (01:27:56):
By a Josh about that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Yeah, well, Adam, thank you for joining us on the program.
We're coming up to a break. I want to keep
up the good work. I appreciate what you wrote, what
you're saying, what you're pointing at, and hope to have
you back on the program.

Speaker 7 (01:28:09):
All right, well, thank you very much. I really appreciate this.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Thanks. That's Adam Turner.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
He's a national security and also political professional and contributor
at Red State, and his article is GOP needs Strategy
for the twenty six twenty twenty six mid terms. You
can find that on our at Rodden Greg show. We're
at at Roden Greg Show x page. We like to
link to those articles when we have the authors here

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on the program. Okay, folks, coming up, final segment of
the show. We're going to land this plane. When we
come back after the break. You're listening to Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine canaus. I am going to
tell you we didn't have time, folks to talk about it.
I'm gonna have to. I'm going to carry this forward
to tomorrow. I mentioned it a little bit, but I'm
still hot. I'm also about the redistrict team. We've mentioned it,

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but the Democrats are about to I think that this
Politico headline I'm seeing that this was released this afternoon
is is perfect. Utah Democrats got a gift. Now comes
the headache. See, so nobody outside of Utah, okay, this judge,
the leftists that helped game up this prop for and
gave this plus twenty four percent Kamala Harris district. They're

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all still trying to tell you, Oh, though this was fair,
there was no partisanship, there was no this was neutral,
there was no partisan considerations. No one buys it it.
It doesn't pass the smell test. Everyone CNN, MSNBC, Hakeem Jeffries,
you name it. Everyone knows that they won a big
game and they went and stole a district right out

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of the right, out of Utah. Because if you can't
find a swing state in America that will vote for
Kamala Harris, how in the world did you find out
of four congressional districts, a plus twenty four percent Kamala
Harra district in the state of Utah. It's it's a theft,
is what it is. It's it's it's ridiculous. But here's
the deal, Politico. It says Utah Democrats got a gift.
Now comes the headache.

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
And what do they mean?

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
They mean that this district was drawn so obnoxiously, so
far left that you know they're golden boy. Ben McAdams,
who i'd worked with when I was speaking of the House,
and he was the the uh, the mayor of Salt
Lake County. He was the kind of he was like
a you know, like Governor Mathieson type of Democrat. He
was supposed to be a guy that, you know, the unaffiliateds,

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those that might lean a little left of right, maybe
a little lean right of center or left of center
and right of center, could could appeal have a broad appeal. Well,
this district is for the most radical of Democrats. This
is a district that if AOC and Bernie Sanders decide
to pick a candidate, they're gonna they're gonna vote for

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them and not for Ben McAdams. I don't know that
Ben Ben is gonna have to pivot in a way
that he has never done in his political life. To
some very very radical positions, and he even has some
votes he's going to have to explain that the radical
left don't like. And so the circus, you know, they
were all excited about Ben running for the seat. You
had even members of the Salt Lake City Council who
all lined up behind him to endorse him, believing that

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this seat was going to be a I don't know,
fifty five percent Democrat, forty five percent Republican or something close.
It is so radical. You have now members of the
Salt Lake City Council who have withdrawn their endorsement of
Ben mccadams because they didn't know that the map was
going to be this favorable for such leftists that they
themselves may want to run or they might want to

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endorse someone who's to the left of Ben McAdams. So
he had an ad that came out that showed the
Mayor of Salt Lake City and all the members of
the council supporting him. That ad has gone. You see
now just the mayor of Salt Lake City, Mayor men
and Hall endorsing him, but the city council members are
reconsidering their options because it is such a leftist district.

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How's that going to fly now. I don't think the
story is over. I think there needs to be a
statewide ballot that shows people what Prop four really was about.
I think this term, this this district is about, has
a shelf life of about two years. Once the American,
once the people of Utah a state wide ballot, can
reconsider the actions and look at the rhetoric that was
or the spin lines that were given to them in

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eighteen that have no resemblance to the reality of what
happened with that Prop for and how we got a
plus twenty four percent Kamala Harris district in Utah. I
think this when you have the redo, so to speak,
the Utahs aren't going to keep this. They're going to bestow,
as the Constitution rightfully does, the authority to draw these

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districts for your state legislator, legislature's House, and Senate. They'll
draw the districts. They're accountable to the people, not dis judge,
and not the left of center group that she allowed
to draw maps on their own that have now somehow
become law. But that process is so bad the Democrats
themselves now have what they're calling politely a circus. We'll

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get into that more. Tomorrow we got a lot to
talk about. Thank you for joining us, hands up, chin down,
ice forward, answer the bell every single day.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
I'll see it tomorrow, folks,