The Rod and Greg Show: Utah's High Gas Prices; China is Losing the War on Tariffs

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, you know, thanks to Carolyn Fippen for joining me
last day. She couldn't she had some things that were
more pressing and needed requiring her time what she needed
to do. But yeah, you you did listen, and then
you probably listened in one of the just brief moments
where brief I was just sucking the oxygen out of
the room and poor Carolyn wasn't able to get word
in edgewise because you're like, you know, you have a
co host for like, they're allowed to talk the show.

(00:23):
So I probably was talking a lot in that moment,
but that would be my luck. You tuned in right there,
But well, you were talking a lot. I know, you
know what, I was getting better at it. I thought
it was the week was really really I think. So
I told myself that. But you know what what on
Friday because I was flying solo, Yes, I well I
felt good about it. But I told our listeners, I said, look,

(00:44):
the one thing I feel like I'm missing is we
I just didn't hear from you enough. Like I think
we went through a lot of interviews. We did, we
had some calls, but we didn't really call back for
you know, listen back. Thank Rod and Greg's Friday. It's
a great time to do it. So we just had
a great time on Friday just having callers call in,
talk about things, talk about issues.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
It was a lot of fun. Let it glad it
went well.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's a great audience.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
It is the Rotten Gregg Show right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine k n rs. Man,
have we got a lot to get to and a
lot to talk about? On day number one, much is
being said about the tariffs, especially the trade war going
on right now with China. Nobody is telling us about
the impact this is having on China itself. We'll take
you inside China and find out what's going on there.

(01:28):
Gas prices, now, I understand that on Friday show you
had quite a discussion about gasoline prices here in Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
We did, yeah, we did well. Thankfully, we had a
good caller we had. We had great report come out
that says that Utah is an energy a net exporter
of energy. Now we used to be for a long
time at twenty twenty, we were no longer. Finally we
are consuming all the energy we need as a state,
and it's excess we are now able to export out
which also strengthens the economy. We had a great county commissioner,

(01:56):
Greg Miles from Duschane County talk about that, but the
callers caught it very quickly and we had to call
our call and say, Okay, if we have all this energy,
we have all this crude oil, and we have refineries,
which we do in nor Salt Lake, why are we
paying still so much for gasoline? When you see a
barrel of crude is down historically low and around the

(02:16):
sixty dollar range, maybe fifty seven dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Fifty seven dollars to say or it was earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
You don't want that to go too low because then
it's too expensive to even puol out of the ground.
But it's at a price where we should be enjoying
very very reasonable, very less expensive gas prices. And so
it was an open ended question on Friday.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well, and we're going to get we're on try and
send some shed some light on what is going on
here in Utah. Patrick to Haan, who's an expert at
this with gasbuddy dot com. I know many of you
have that on your phones where you can check the
price of gas in your areas. But Patrick will join
us a little bit later on, we'll talk about what
is going on, why aren't the prices coming down in Utah,

(02:54):
And we'll open up the phones to you maybe get
some reaction to that interview. We do with Patrick a
little bit later on, also well Sam condonas he's a
well known author and expert on what's going on on
the border. He's speaking. I think it is Wednesday at
the Governor's Solution Summit. I believe that is what it
is called. He will join us later on in the
show and get his perspective on what's going on on

(03:14):
the border. The big announcement today is that the Trump
administration announcing that they're willing to pay people to leave
the country. You're here illegally, just report yourself, Yeah, will
pay you.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
And we've posed this question to our audience before and
then like it looks sounds like a perverse incentive to
come over illegally, maybe to get a little cashola and
get a ticket back. But I got to tell you,
I did the math. We can't even get to Obama's
three million dollar deportations. Under the way the Democrats and
the leftist judges are requiring it. Obama didn't have to
do this so called you know, if you were here illegally,

(03:46):
you could be deported and they didn't have to have
all these lengthy court hearings and everything else or injunctions
the way or injunctions, the way the courts and the
way the left has stopped this president. You can't you
can't do it the way they're describing right now. We're
not going to hit the Obama number of deportations the
way we're doing it now. So I'm starting this whole
I'll pay you to leave, then have to detain you,

(04:08):
put you through a court case, and then deport you.
Is looking a little more attractive to me because right
now I think the left is winning in terms of
the slow base.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah, and they are. All right, we've got a
lot to talk about. Those just a couple of the
issues we'll talk about and whatever comes our way as
we take you home on this Monday with the Roddy
and Greg Show. All Right, you know, I know you
talked last week about the president's one hundred days. What
was it last Tuesday or Wednesday? I think he marked
one hundred days. The one story that nobody in the
media is reporting on about his one hundred days he

(04:38):
is the most accessible president, yes to the media in
this country, that we've ever had. Now they don't have
to sing his praises, but they should note that he'll
talk to anybody, anywhere, anytime and explain his position. The
media has never had that they have president of the
United States.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
They have never had it. That press corps never had
that kind of access, the transparency, even the even the
cabinet meetings where you know, it's really easy when you
tell the truth, you can say it anywhere, you don't
have to worry about the audience you're in front of.
And that is that is that is this administration. They
because they are so focused and they are truthful with
the America people about what they're up to do, what
they're trying to do. Look like the camera's in anywhere,

(05:18):
because the story never changes. I don't care, and you
don't you've not seen that before.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, much has been made today, of course, the fact
that he actually did sit down and talk with Kirsten
Welker with Meet the Press yesterday touched on a number
of issues, and will Fair shared just a few of
the sound bites. This is an old Democratic talking point
and she hit it right off the bat about cuts
to Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security, And this was the

(05:42):
President's response, what happens if it comes to your desk,
has the tax cuts but also cuts to medicaid. Would
you veto that we're not doing that.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
No, I would if they were cutting it. But they're
not cutting it. They're looking at fraud, waste, and abuse.
And nobody minds that if illegal immigrants are in the mix,
if the people that aren't supposed to be there, people
that are non citizens are in the mix, nobody mindset waste, fraud,
and abuse.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
But we're not cutting medicaid. We're not cutting.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Medicare, and we're not cutting social Security.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
All right, he just said that for about the umpteenth time, Greg,
But apparently the media doesn't understand that. Apparently the media
feels that if you're trying to cut out waste, you're
cutting Medicaid Medicare, and they aren't.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, they are trying to confuse the American people. I
mean again, it shows they actually don't care about Medicaid
Medicare if they don't want the waste rooted out, because
they want to use it as a weapon as they
always have that the heartless Republicans are trying to take
it away from them, when everybody who wants to see
those programs work the way they're supposed to should welcome

(06:47):
and celebrate the waste being found. And actually I worry
worse than waste. I think there is full blown fraud happening,
and I would like to see some rest with those
with that type of fraud. But no, that's something that
shouldn't even be partisan. One of the things broad while
you're away, he probably didn't listen to some of his
speeches on his hundred day, one hundred day rally he had,

(07:10):
but he said it's a revolution of common sense, and
we would use that for day. We kept using that
as our theme. That last week is is the one
hundred days marked one hundred days of a revolution of
common sense, and going forward will be the continued revolution
of common sense. We're just going to keep bringing this
up and doing what makes sense.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, anybody from the legacy media, if they sit down
with an interview with Donald Trump, better be ready to
be attacked, and he was when she brought up Kristen Welker,
again host of moderator for Meet the Press, when she
talked about the economy, prices.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Are already going up on some popular and.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Strollers.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
This is such a dishonest interview. Already prices are down
on groceries. Prices are down for oil, prices are down
for oil. Energy, prices are down at tremendous numbers for asoline.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
And let me tell you when you have the big thing,
what he did.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
He spent like the stupid person, which he was, but
he spent like a very stupid person, and that was
bad for inflation. But what really killed us with inflation
was the price of energy.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
He goes right out, this is a dishonest interview.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
It is.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
There's one point where it's like, you're very you seem
to be a very nice person. Yeah, I mean I
want I want to be nice. But you're not saying
what you're saying. It's just so untrue.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, you're not being honest. And then the question came out.
I think he loves to teach the media because he
said this over the past, since he was elected, that
he'd think about a third term.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I want to be a great president. I will have served.
Hopefully everything will go well. I feel very good. I
just did a physical I took unlike all other presidents.
I took cognitive tests and I aceded. I got one
hundred percent correct. And the doctor, one doctor said to
a numerous doctors watching, and he said, I've never seen
that before. Biden didn't take a cognitive gotten the first question, right.

(09:01):
But I came out great with the physical both physically
and mentally. And I just want to serve, do a
great job. I'll be an eight year president. I'll be
a two term president. I always thought that was very important,
to be honest with you. You know, if you look
at President Polk he was a one term and he
did some great things, actually pretty good president.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And I'm not saying you.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Can't do that, but there's something about being a two
term president that was very important to him.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, do you think he's answered the question about if
he's going to run for yet another term. I think
he did. I mean, but the media loves to hang
on to that and medicated medicare cuts.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
And you know, he threw in there two like you know,
the hats they're selling, they're selling great. You know that
his next presidency made you know, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Forty eight all right, what's going on inside China? As
the trade war between the US and China heats up.
We'll get into that coming up. Great to be with
you on this Monday afternoon. It is the Rotting Rag
Show on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Kate
and RS trusted you how much you could carry on
this this revolution I try, this revolution of common sense,

(10:09):
that's what.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Trump called it, called revolution of common sense. And we
got battles every single day. And on that battle, we're
gonna talk continue to talk about tariffs. Yeah, okay, uh,
and what's happening. We only get what the regime media
tells us. Yes, okay, but you and I we have
to look past that and we have to get to
the other side of the pond. We gotta look at
the other side. We got to look at China, see
what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
And that's what we're going to do right now. Joining
us on our newsmaker line. And Steve Moser, he is
president of the Population Research Institute. He wrote about China
and the impact this trade war is having. Steve, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks
for joining us, Steve. It's good to be with you
both today. Steve. Let me ask you, I mean, it's
it's tough getting correct and honest information out of China.

(10:51):
But what is your sense, Steve, about what's going on
in China as this trade war with the US is
going on. What impact is it having.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Well, well, China has struck blows against the United States
for the last thirty years. They have been carrying out
a trade war for a long long time, as you know,
and we're finally getting serious thanks to Trump in responding
to China's trade war on the United States by putting
in place, you know, reciprocal tariffs. And China's economy is crumbling,

(11:22):
and it was crumbling really before Trump put the tariffs on.
Why because the property sector of the economy is in collapse.
Major property developers in China, like Evergrant, have gone bankrupt.
People are losing their shirts because they bought condos or
homes ten years ago, and these homes and condos are

(11:43):
plummeting in value, dropping like rocks. And that's the life
savings for most people in China who have money. And
then of course you got a lot of people in China,
the workers in those factories that make the cheap Chinese
goods that flood American markets, They live from hand to mount,
they live in dormitories. They get paid just enough to
buy food and maybe send little home to the grandparents

(12:03):
in the villages, and that's it. They don't have any
soft rice paddy to fall back on. They don't have
any assets. They're being laid off by the tens of
thousands every day. Factories are closing, workers are being laid off.
And you know, in China, workers are sometimes laid off
without being given any severance pay. In fact, without even

(12:24):
being paid. Some of these workers have been working without
pay for months, and all of a sudden, one day
they come to the factory doors and they're closed, and
they're told to go home. What choice do they have?
But eventually, I think to ride in the streets. We're
seeing increasing unrest in China today. I think we're going
to have within the next few weeks massive demonstrations that

(12:48):
rival the chen on Men demonstrations back in nineteen ninety
nineteen eighty nine, when million millions of people took to
the streets in China's major cities in Beijing and Chungdu
and shang High in other places, and the Communist Party
did what They shut them down and ran them over
with tanks in the central square of China's capital city,

(13:09):
Chenamen Square. Ten thousand people were killed in that rampage.
So what is the Communist Party going to do this
time around?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
But China's export sector of the economy is the only
sector of the economy that actually works according to market principles.
It makes the profit. The state owned sector doesn't make
a profit. Those are all white elephants. They lose money.
The property sector is gone. The consumer section of the
economy is shrinking. What consumer in China today is going

(13:42):
to buy anything other than food necessary to survive. When
you have Chinese officials like Sigenping the dictators saying you
better prepare to tighten your belts. He said, everybody needs
to get ready to chirku. That means eat bitterness. Well,
the last time the Chinese people ate bitterness was after
the Great Leave Forward, and fifteen million Chinese died because

(14:04):
they didn't have even.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Bitterness to eat.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
They starved to death.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
So word on the street is that they're quietly trying
to negotiate. So I see two scenarios. One that China
would be able to negotiate some kind of better deal
by way of exports, maybe allow more of products export
into China, maybe the tariffs aren't as high, But I
don't think the status quo, or at least under this presidency,
I don't think they're ever going to get what they
were getting before and enjoying what they did by imports

(14:31):
coming into this country. So one side, one school thought
is you're going to get a better We're going to
negotiate a fair or deal with China and things are
going to be good again. The other one is you're
never getting back what you had before because it wasn't
right and you shouldn't have had it in the first place.
Which way do you think it goes? And either scenario,
especially the one where you're never getting it back, how

(14:53):
desperate does a country like China become in terms of
how hostile they become to this country?

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Well, I mean they're already hostile the United States. They've
been hostile since guys, since nineteen ninety one. And I
say that because that was the year in September that
the Soviet Union collapsed, and that was the month October
that the then leader of China, Dung Chomping, called together
a couple thousand senior Communist Party officials and said this.

(15:22):
He said, the old Cold War is over. The Soviet
Union has been defeated. It no longer exists. America has won.
The new Cold War is now beginning between the United
States and China, and China is going to win this one.
In other words, people need to understand that China has
been at war with US across all domains except the kinetic.

(15:44):
We're not firing bullets at each other, thank god, but
they've been at war with us in trade, in theft
of intellectual property, in non market barriers, non tariff barriers
to American goods coming into China for thirty four years,
three plus decades. They've been at war with us, and
we're finally responding. And you know, this didn't begin with
the new just with the new round of terraffts this

(16:05):
last month. It began during Trump's first term when Trump
first put tariffs on Chinese goods. And that has already
started a move away from China of supply change to
places like India and the Philippines and Japan, South Korea
and back to the United States. And that now is
going to greatly greatly accelerate. I think people will be

(16:27):
surprised at how quickly we find alternative suppliers for these goods.
I just read that that we are now going to
be making manufacturing bicycles in the United States again.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Wow, for the first time in forty years.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
Why because of the tarofts.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
And I'll buy one, boy, I'll be I'll be first
in line to get an American made bicycles.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, enjoy your ride, Steve, and we appreciate a few
minutes of your time. Steve, Thank you for joining us.
Thank you all right. That's Steve Moser. He is president
of the Population Research Institute. Providing a little insight as
to what's going on in China. This is the story
that if we had a balanced, fair media in this country,
they would be doing all they can to present the

(17:09):
other side. They're telling us about what's happening in America.
Prices there skyrocketing. Little Susie won't get her Barbie doll
for Christmas this year. No one's telling what's going on
in China.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
No, everything is a forecast in America about what may
happen or could happen. We're being told that they're feeling
there's no forecast. They're actually feeling that so they didn't
have a whole lot of tools in this trade war
to begin with, with the way they were already tariff
putting tariffs everywhere and enjoying none on their own. So
I do I think that we had a good media rod,
we would know that we were having a positive impact

(17:42):
at least for our country in terms of how we
have to deal with China.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
They're an export based economy and the exports right now
are killing them. All right, Moore, coming up, It's great
to be with you on this Monday afternoon there rotting
Greg Show on Talk Radio one five to nine knrs.
You had quite a discussion last week. You were telling
me about gasoline price. Yeah, we're hot. It is a
frustration here in this state. Every time you go, you
hear stories about gasoline prices coming down, and in Utah,

(18:06):
for some reason, they're going up.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
And I'll tell you what if it didn't hit a
tipping point when when President Trump bragged at the average
price of gawn of gasoline was a buck ninety eight, Well, first,
I can't find the buck ninety eight, but I'll tell
you this, we're paying three three fifty whatever we're paying.
It didn't go over.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, let's go let's go to one of the experts
right now joining us, Patrick de'han, Patrick, a senior petroleum
analysis guy, knows what he's talking about. With gasbuddy dot com.
Any of you may have that website downloaded on your phone. Patrick,
thanks for joining us. Let's get to the nationwide situation
when it comes to gasoline prices. What's going on?

Speaker 7 (18:44):
Well, at least for now, we've seen gas prices drifting
a little bit up, a little bit down, almost left
and right as well. But the good news is the
price of oil over the weekend has been falling precipitously
after OPEC announced another surprise development they're going to be
increasing June An oil production by over four hundred thousand
barrels a day. That has sent oil prices plummeting to

(19:06):
the lowest levels really since the pandemic. A barrel of
West Texas intermediate crude oil closing at about fifty seven
dollars a barrel today. It previously was tariff uncertainty several
weeks ago that faded away, but OPEK has been seeing
some dissension amongst oil producing members that want to produce
more and that is pushing the price of oil down now,

(19:28):
it hasn't immediately translated yet to lower gas price. A
lot of Americans probably watching oil thinking, well, when is
gas going to fall? While it will take a couple
of more weeks, why is this happening? Well, because gasoline
inventories in the US have been declining significantly over the
last six weeks due to refinery maintenance. But as refineries

(19:50):
finish their seasonal maintenance before summer, I do think that
lower oil prices now will start to translate to lower
gas prices as refineries finish up maintenance and start boosting
output of gasoline.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
So Patrick, I spoke to a former colleague, a public
servant who deals with issues like this, and gave him
a heads up that I'm going to be ranting about
gas prices today, so look out and uh and it is.
And he reminded me that it is true that Utah
has traditionally overtime been on a lag in terms of
if when you saw gas prices drop nationally, it took

(20:22):
a little bit longer for Utah to follow uh pace,
And that we have some restrictions on how much is
refined here in Utah, and there's there's some capacity issues
there in the in the in the joke is that
we never Utah has never noticed when we're still low
when the rest national average goes high. But with that
is as maybe the premise, maybe I'll accept that answer.

(20:43):
Maybe you, as a good third party, could tell me
does Utah have a capacity problem with refinery. With the
refinery side, we do have waxi crewed coming from eastern
Utah that you win a basin, So we have supply
here in our own state. When when when should we
easily be able to see our gas prices in Utah
reflect the national average and see lower gas.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
Prices well, to your point, we do see areas that
are a bit more rural, a bit more mountainous, that
tend to lag behind because their volumes may be a
little bit lower than some of the more densely populated
urban areas across the country. That applies really to many
of your neighbors as well, and especially the more rural
the area, the more those prices tend to lag because

(21:28):
to your point, either stations have filled up with cheaper
gasoline potentially days ago, and it's the more expensive stuff
may be solely working through their system, or in the
case of going from winter to summer gasoline, that cheaper
winter gasoline may stick around longer and the prices may
lag behind. So there's a lot of kind of nuances
about how gas prices will work and how they do.

(21:51):
You know, Utah, I mean, when things are running normally,
is there an efficiency of refining capacity? Not really, but
you know, it's those abnormal times when a refinery goes
down for maintenance or there's an unexpected outage. And this
applies almost anywhere across the country. When there are unexpected
outages that can throw things, can throw a monkey wrench
into everything, and then you can tend to see more

(22:12):
of an impact. But moving forward in the weeks ahead,
as the bulk of refineries are now getting the final
innings done of refinery maintenance before summer, I do think
that refineries will start to boost output of gasoline in
the weeks ahead and that should help contribute to lower
gas prices as we get closer to Memorial Day.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Patrick, I want to follow up on the question that
Greg asked because I think this is one of the
most frustrating things that people have to deal with here
in the state of Utah. They hear about gasoline prices
dropping around the country, but here in Utah they remain
the same or even a little bit higher, and they're
frustrated in the fact that, yes, we have a lot
of oil in the eastern part of the state. We
have two refiner reads located just about ten miles north

(22:53):
of us. And they say, what gives I mean, in
your opinion, what do people need to understand about gas
prices and oil prices that would help them deal with
some of their frustration that they feel.

Speaker 7 (23:05):
Oh boy, I probably could go on probably longer than
your program would it continue, but you know, to keep
it short and sweet. You know, there can be differences.
A lot of Americans look at the price of oil
and they say, well, oil's doing this. Why isn't gas
doing that? Just keep in mind that we have all
of this oil. As you mentioned, Utah has oil. We
get a lot of oil from Canada, especially in many
areas of the Rockies. But without these magical things we

(23:29):
call refineries, you can have all the oil in the world.
It could be five dollars a barrow, but if there's
nobody able or ready to be able to take that
oil and refine it, the price of gas link can
be vastly different than the price of oil may lead
you to believe. And that's because again, a lot of
what it comes down to in this country, and what

(23:49):
we're hearing of more and more, especially with the transition
to EVS, is refining capacity can play a massive role
in the relationship between what the price of gas is
and what the price of oil is. And when things
are operating smoothly, nobody thinks about, hey, what's going on
at refineries. We generally only hear gas prices going up,

(24:10):
you know, a lot of the time it's refinery outages.
So again, there's so much importance on refineries and if
they're able to continue producing. And with a declining number
of refineries over the last several decades, you're starting to
hear this refinery word more and more as a reason
for why gas prices may be doing this.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Or that, you know, the cost for the barrel crude oil,
the barrel of crude it has been hovering in that
sixty dollars range. I know, fifty seven dollars is as
low as it's been in a long time, but in
that sixty dollars range. At some point that that curve
has to hit us. What is our protection, Patrick against
you know, any of our large chains that sell gas,

(24:50):
you know, gas stations saying you know, I was making
six cents a gallon on this margin. Making twelve cents
a gallon isn't going to hurt me at all. How
do we make sure that we're not that that the
margins don't grow and the pay and the and the
you know, the commuter still pays the same Amount's what's
how do we know?

Speaker 7 (25:07):
It's that beautiful word called competition. Stations at the end
of the day, that price they're gasoline higher than their
competitors have a disadvantage. People are very price sensitive to gasoline,
and they tend to go to places where prices are lower.
And that's why retailers sometimes will engage in kind of
a mini price war, or one retailer will always want

(25:28):
to be lower because with competition, the beauty is people
will patronize those stations. And that's what keeps I mean
so many things right that are dictated. There's competition. I
mean the housing market right, what your neighbor may be
selling their home for if they undercut their price, well
that kind of forces you down as well. So competition
keeps many things in checking as these retailers become bigger,

(25:50):
there's always going to be an opportunity for somebody to
come in and be more competitive, have a lower price,
and to do things more efficiently. And look at some
of the wholesale clubs by the way, they've been remarked successful.
And part of the reason is there gas prices are
so low that people just go to them every time.
So kind of a very unique advantage is everyone that
is a whole so called member will tell you that's

(26:12):
where I get my gasoline the bulk of the time
because they're much more competitive.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Patrick Dehan, thank you, Patrick. He is with gas Buddy,
Greg and I are going to get to your phone
calls on the five o'clock tower talking about gas prices
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
can ters when we come back in the five o'clock
cower your frustrations that you all feel in dealing with
gas prices. What do you think's going on?

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, and I think there's a history for the state
to at least look into. Well, we'll see the disparity
isn't as bad as it was back way back in
two thousand and six when I looked into this. But
but we are. We are just not tracking a national
average right now. And you know this lag I've been
told about for twenty years, Well, it needs to end
here soon because I think I'm starting to worry about
the fix being in.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
I am.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I'm starting to feel it.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
You're feeling it? All right. We'll talk to you about
that coming up in our number two of the Rotting
Great Chore on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Can or rest stay with us? Did you go off
last week when I was gone.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
A little bit?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
You did?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I tried. I tried to when.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Carolyn was here. You're trying to be nice.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, it's trying to be nice to Carolyn here. Yeah. No,
there were some rants I didn't I didn't get into
because you know, I like, look Carolyn, I've worked together
for a long time. I know the chemistry is great.
But I didn't want to be too harsh.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah, well, why you wait with me?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Because you could take it or I don't care that
you can't take it one of the two. But it's
all right with us. We can do that.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's true. That's true. We sure can all right. Our
number two down before the break, we did an interview
with Patrick Johan with gasbuddy dot Com. And we're trying
to explain get that out. By the way, you know
why prices, gasoline prices here in the state of Utah
are would just say, uncomfortably high or high. When we
hear around the rest of the country they were going down.

(27:56):
We're trying to figure out why.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, there's just a math to it all when you
have but when you have the crude oil the West Texas,
you know Index whatever it's called, intermediary crude, when that's
at fifty seven bucks a barrel, that's been well over
one hundred dollars a barrow for a long time. When
you see gasoline head over four bucks a gallon and
you're really feeling it at the pump, it's usually because
that crude oil, the commodity price of the of our

(28:18):
oil is so high. Well, when you see it go
down to lows now it's dipped under sixty dollars, it's
at fifty seven. You're supposed to see the math follow
that the worst to have lower gas per galln' And
I'm just not seeing it. I'm not seeing and I
know I've been told for twenty plus years we were
on a lag. Nobody notices when everybody else goes up
and Utah stays low. Nobody remembers that. They just remember

(28:39):
that it takes a longer time for Utah to get
to the lower prices. I'm telling you, this is not
a rural state, and by that I mean most seventy
five percent of Utah's population lives in the metropolitan Fork
the Wassat Trump which is so many miles from your
city that by comparison to other states, they have a

(29:00):
much more spread out population where it's not that urban.
So we're kind of an urban state by definition, we
should see lower gas prices. I'm sorry. We have an
oil and gas industry in the state. We have refineries
in North Salt Lake. We have what it takes to
see those gas prices not have such a long lag.
My biggest fear, Rod, honestly is over the last twenty years,

(29:22):
as I've heard about this and we've asked the question
of our last guest, he said, the competition will always
keep everybody honest, because if you tried to enjoy a
bigger margin on that gallon of gas you're paying less,
you're charging the same amount, You're going to have a
competitor that's going to charge less for their gas and
then people will go there. Think about our comedian store
situation right now. I think over the last twenty years

(29:43):
you've seen a consolidation of and I don't know that
you have shoulder to shoulder convenience store gas stations next
to each other where it's is you can go to one. Yes,
I think that competition isn't the same as it looked
even twenty years ago, and so I worry about that.
I'm not making any accusations, just saying I worry about it.
And I wonder if our listeners are observing any of this,

(30:05):
or if they think it's tracking a little closer to
national average. I would love to hear from our listeners.
Eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well, you're explaining that the oil we get out of
Eastern Utah, which apparently they're having a robust Yes, right,
but it is a waxy crude and it has to
go to a special refinery to be refined turned into gasoline.
Is that correct? That's correct? And the refineries we have
here can't do that.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
They don't know they do it. They do it. They
can refine.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
We get our gas from these refineries. I've always been
told most of the gas from these refineries go to
the coast.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
So it's so it's it's a combination so the refinery.
So what that waxy crewed means is when it comes
out of the ground hot, it's a liquid, but if
it gets room temperature, it turns into a solid wax.
The reason it's a wax is it has almost there's
no pollutants in it. It's not a very high carbon crude.
That's good for as they call it a blendstock. You

(30:59):
can take that, once you heat it up, you can
put it in with the other kind of oil that
you have, which will lower the emission, make it a
less pollutant. And we have what I think it's a
Tier three fuel that is refined that our refineries here
in Salt Lake to Soro, I think in Chevron that
they refine here in North Salt Lake. That waxy crew
is used greatly for that blendstock and for our fuel

(31:20):
here to make that clean that cleaner fuel.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
The fact greg that we push for more Tier three gasoline, right,
has that made our gasoline more expensive here?

Speaker 6 (31:29):
No?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
No, it hasn't.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It lowered hadn't lowered the price.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, it hasn't. But what the state did is when
the EPA demanded this of refineries, the state of Utah
decided to help incentivize if there was going to be
refined gas that was going to be less pollutant, we
wanted it here in Utah because we live in a valley,
at least to Watt that front is in a valley
where air quality becomes a big problem. And as we
saw automobiles and population grow, we were seeing an air

(31:53):
quality problem with the cleaner cars, with the cleaner fuel.
We're seeing that come down precipitously, that that cleaner fuel
that the State of Utah helped those refineries update their
refineries so that we could see that happen here. I
think has improved the I don't think it has improved
air quality. And it hasn't added cost. Okay, it hasn't,

(32:14):
But I will tell you this, Oh, you have to wonder.
There is always What I've been told is we have
kind of a glass ceiling. As well as they can
refine it, there's only so much you can refine, and
we have a capacity issue in terms of how much
you can refine. There lies one of the arguments why
it takes us longer to see cheaper gas prices.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Well, Patrick j'han explained, we have a refining problem in
this country. I mean, how long has it been since
we've built a refiner? Oh, California, for crying aloud, just
shut down another one, a standard oil one. So that's
another issue.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Honestly, I don't think they build them anymore. I think
whatever you have, you have, and so if we're are
repairs and things that have to happen for these it
makes sense because we've got a you know, an environmental
climate where all the different reports and things you have
to do really does stop that from happening.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, all right, we want to hear from you the
frustrations you're feeling. What you hear a gal gas prices,
what you're seeing when it comes to gas prices, because
this is an issue that people are talking about all
the time. They hear the president. He said it the
other day, gas prices are coming down, but we don't
see that in Utah. So what in fact is going on.
Let's go to the phones. Let's talk with Dan who's
on I two fifteen tonight listening into the Rod and

(33:23):
Greg Show. Dan, How why are you? Thanks so much
for joining us?

Speaker 8 (33:27):
Man, I'm great after I still let my gas take.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, it's like you got to take a second mortgage.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Well it's a third, but you know who's saying anyway, Hey,
I used to be in the oil business back in
West Virginia, Pennsylvania. But Greg, when you're talking about you know,
two six, when you're trying to figure out gas prices here,
I can't really speak to what was driving that then,
but I can very clearly speak to what's driving it now.

(33:57):
Over the last ten years, Fifornia has taken offline mainly
due to California policies. Is the brilliant communists that they are.
They've taken thirty seven percent of their gas cracking ability offline,
thirty seven in ten years. And so what we've got

(34:21):
is like the big players like Maverick and all that stuff,
they've got to compete with California buyers for the prices.
So the lag that you're talking about, Greg, it's a myth.
It's never going to go away. The thing that controls
that gas, the gas price is how much California decides
to buy. Because the you know, the Utah refinery they're

(34:41):
going to obviously they're going to take the higher prices,
and so we get sloppy seconds from California and end
up having to pay California prices when we had nothing
to do with it. And the Utah refineries, by the way,
are pretty much maxed out on the pack.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I've been told that. I was told that as recently
as this morning that they're maxed out.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Wow, really, really well, Dan, I appreciate your calling and
sharing some of that insight with us. Darn Californians. Can
we just get rid of that they're incompetent, push them
off to.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Their mismanagement somehow has to splash over all the way
over here to us and Colorado. They're actually less on
us right now, at least I looked it up and
I think there are three dollars ten cents again for
an on lead right now, go look at the.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Price, because take Disneyland, move it to Utah, and we
get rid of California.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah that work.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I mean, they can't make foreign films anymore, which I'm
so happy. Yeah, making certain of that. They tricked me.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
On Netflix all the time I see a cool movie,
I got to put it on. It's a foreign film.
I can't even you got to read the realm subtitle.
It's a ripoff, and I get tricked on it all
the time. When I saw that one hundred percent tariff
on foreign films, I knew itself.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
You were happy.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I was so happy. I want less of them. They're
messing up my whole streaming service because they look really good,
like it's all It's going to be a great gangster
show or something, and then I turn it on and
it's from it's all you know subtitle.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
There was a survey oh yesterday showing twenty percent of
Americans can't read. Are you in that twenty percent?

Speaker 8 (36:00):
No?

Speaker 1 (36:00):
I actually have my close caption on just because I
can't hear it as well anymore.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
But I want to.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I want I don't want foreign films. I want to
watch films that are filmed and produced in speaking English
and speak English.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I'll take a British show. Okay, do they speak English?

Speaker 8 (36:18):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (36:18):
They did? Yeah, Okay. We are coming up and your calls,
your frustrations and dealing with gasoline prices here in the
state of Utah eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero. Maybe you've got some insight you can share
with their great audience. Delples all understand why we're looking
at gas prices and saying, why on earth are they
not coming down? Your calls and comments coming up? Eight

(36:39):
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven oh eight zero one zero. I celebrated
single the while today. How a couple of tacos? Nice?

Speaker 9 (36:49):
Nice?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Did you get street taco? Did you go to the street?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
No, I didn't see. Is there one close by? I
haven't seen one close by?

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Here.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
President had taco salad today. Picture of them, well boasted
it all right. This is the headline today in the
AsSalt faked Tribune. Utah is producing more oil than ever,
even more could be honest way if a controversial railway
gets built. We aren't talking about the railway, but we're
talking about Okay, we're producing more oil than ever. So
why on earth are gas prices eye?

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, it's a it's a really good question. And I'm
and I look, I've heard the official I've been given
a steady dose of answers why this is the case,
and their market related, their capacity related, There's there's all
these different stories, and I thought one of our callers
gave us some new insight that I had not heard about,
and that is, as California, as a worthless state, loses

(37:41):
its ability to generate any kind of capacity for oil,
they come in here and spend their California prices on
our oil. And if you're a free market guy, you're
gonna if someone's willing to pay more, you know, something's
worth what someone's willing to pay for it. And that
kind of leads us out a little bit too. But
here's my worry, and I would love for our listeners
to walk me away from this cliff if I need to,

(38:01):
And that is I don't think there's as much competition
in the convenience store slash gas station world as there
used to be. There was a there was a very
popular one when Draper. They called Come and Go is
the name of it, and it was and I would
live in Draper, and I was told by the people that, oh,
this one is like if you get outside of Utah,
this is the place everyone loves to go there. So
one opens off a Bangater and I fifteen right there

(38:24):
west of the freeway of I fifteen. And it was
a big celebration. And this was supposed to be this
big popular convenience store, and then Maverick bought it like
a month six weeks later. It's another map. They they
have them on both sides of the freeway. Now, I
worry that there's been this consolidation of comedian stores and
then as convenience stores get more elaborate where they can
offer you, shoot, I am like, that's my lunch route

(38:48):
now is going to a commedience store because there's a
lot of good stuff there.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Those bands are heaven made, is what those are. They
come straight from the man upstairs down to that shelf
that I buy it from.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Thank you to our golfing buddy, jeff Us treated us
once to bundles. Yes, and you've been hooked on it
ever since.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
It was like nirvana when I found that that thing,
that bundle. So so what if I want to bundle,
Maybe I'll pay a little more for the gas over
there because I want I can't get the bundle at
the other place. All I know is this, I don't
know that the competition is as broad and as competitive
as it used to be. And I want to see
these prices go down because I'm telling you, I'm looking
at calif Colorado. They're lower than us by twenty by

(39:25):
thirteen fourteen cents last time. I mean, so anyway, I
just think, but if callers are listening and they have
insight and they think maybe I'm you know, I'm seeing ghosts,
let me know. But I just I think that the
price of gasoline should be lower. I think that Trump
has delivered. He talked about energy prices were a big problem,
and that delivery of goods whatever energy and the cost.

(39:49):
So if we see the cost of a barrel of
crude go down to a historic low, then our gasoline
prices should be following suit.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Well.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
The issue and you mentioned this, Greg, and we met
Patrick t'ahan mentioned this in the last hour of this show.
My concern, Greg is refinery capacity. Yeah, we haven't how
many years have been since we built a refinery in
this country.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
I've had people tell them, I don't know that there's
been a new one built. I think I think they
refurbish them, but I don't think I think we have
what we have.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
And Calor Dan told us a while ago that California
has cut its refinery productions thirty Yes, because of the
climateologists or where are you want to call them out there?
So I that's bigger concerns to me as we continue
to expand, as we continue to want more and more energy.
Those refineries here in you taw you were saying that

(40:38):
they're already at full capacity. They're working their tails off.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
And to give you an idea, so you have refineries
that are around the Gulf. So in Oklahoma, you have Texas,
you have there have refineries there and they are they
are hot. They are after our waxi crewed because it
has it is so is such a low pollutant, you know.
And when I say whaxually, remember that's if it gets
room temperature, it turns into a solid. That's that's a
waxi crewd. It's it's hot when it comes out of
the ground. If you this rail line that was approved

(41:04):
in the Trump administration went through all the environmental processes.
It was the largest rail line approved in America in
a long time. But it is to efficiently get this,
you win a basin crude oil to the refineries that
they can use as a blendstock to make the fuel
that they ultimately refined cleaner. And then in twenty twenty three,
Biden administration put the brakes on it all and said no,

(41:25):
you're not going to do it. So they're starting that
up again, and we talked on Friday. We spoke with
the Dushane County commissioner that's been working as a public
servant hard on that issue. That's going to be a
that rail line gets built, folks, that is going to
do very well for the economy, our severance tax in
the state. There's a lot, a lot of good things
that happened. One of them i'd like it to be,
is that my gases. And so we'd like to pump.

(41:46):
Let's go to Darren and West Jordan. He wants to
weigh in on this tonight. Darren, how are you welcome
to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 8 (41:54):
I'm doing great. Thanks for having mem hmm, Yeah, I
was just gonna bring up I just got back from Mexico.
We did a tour, multi city. Every tour guide, every
taxi we took, we always just question the gas prices
because they're way expensive.

Speaker 10 (42:14):
Down there, and everyone told us the same thing was
the problem is Mexico, we produce turned of oil, but
we don't have refinery, so we send.

Speaker 8 (42:25):
It to the US and then they send us the
gas back. So that's why our prices for gas is
so expensive. So it's like, why is everyone not building refineries?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Good? Good question, good question.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
But I can see why in the United States with
all of our environmental laws that stop us from doing
anything by way of infrastructure is smart. But Mexico they
should be able to do it.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, and they should be able to All right, we'll
get to more of your phone calls as we talk
about your frustrations with high gasoline prices. Here in the
state of Utah ad eight eight five seven eight, you're
a one zero triple eight five seven eight zero one zero,
or on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and
say hey run.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
So look, we're gonna go back to the callers. There's
a there's a website, folks. You can go to gas
prices dot aaa dot com. So it's triple a site,
so gasprices dot AAA dot com. And and it's a
search engine. You can look at the national average, and
you can look up your own state. You can compare
yourself to other states. So the current state of things
as of today, this actually tracks on a daily basis. Uh,

(43:29):
the national average is three dollars sixteen cents a gallon
for regular unleaded national national average, and the Utah average
is three dollars and twenty seven cents, so that's eleven
cents more. Yesterday it was a bigger gap. The national
average was still three sixteen a gallon, But yesterday Utah's
average was three dollars twenty eight cents. So maybe it's

(43:50):
coming down a little bit. Here's the here's the biggest uh,
the biggest difference. Right now, the national the average in
the state of Colorado for regular unleaded is three dollars
and five sets. We are three dollars twenty seven cents.
That that's big. Now I look at Arizona, We're about
the same. They're a little bit higher, it says. And
then in Idaho we're almost identical. And the Nevada is

(44:12):
more expensive than us. Now we have a listener that
showed me prices in Eli, Nevada, which is as remote
as you get, which is less than Utah. So Eli,
Nevada is not fitting into the Nevada state average. I guess,
but there. But Nevada, according to this website, is higher
per gallon than we are.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
And we are okay, all right, let's go to the phone.
See what Kyle has to say. About this tonight here
on the rod In great show, Kyle, how are you?
Thanks so much for joining us?

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Hey, nothing boils my blood more than this conversation.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Well, we didn't mean to boil your blood, Kyle.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Oh, I just I mean, we're not called little California
for no reason. And it's one of these, you know,
this kind of stuff that I think it just really
frustrates you know drivers out there. You know, why why
the gas? They haven't But Utah has not been able
to solve the riddle. And my question is this, what

(45:09):
are other states doing that Utah.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Is not doing?

Speaker 4 (45:14):
And I'd like to understand, like, you know, what is
it that they're doing that's making their gas prices closer
to the national average and ours is always consistently higher.
I understand the stronger rewarded letters and the good explanations,
but there's got to be more.

Speaker 8 (45:30):
To it than just the ressinneries. I'm just saying, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I just wanted to tell you, Yes, Kyle, I appreciate
the call, and I feel the same way you do.
And I and look, I think all I have is
what I've heard before, and I and so's it rings
a little hollow when you have to pay the prices.
So I feel what you're saying. But they're saying the
proximity to refineries. Okay, well we've got North Salt Lake refiners,
but they're full. I mean, there's a capacity issue there

(45:55):
a lot of the states they have like if you
look at Texas, I think they're at two dollars and
seventy four cents. We're national averages three dollars and sixteen cents.
If you're in Texas, it's two dollars seventy four cents. Well,
which god to believe. That's because you've got the extraction
and the refineries that are that close. So you know,
and I do know that we get we get some
supply from Wyoming as well. They have they have a

(46:16):
very abundant extraction oil and gas industry in Wyoming. We're
getting gas, you know, we're getting crude oil for refinery
from Wyoming. Also you know, also I know I know
that because it's waxy crewed from the winter basin, that
they the refineries pay less for that for that waxy
crude because it's harder to transport. There's some difficulty with

(46:38):
it than the than the index. So if if the
index in today, it was fifty seven dollars for a
barrel of crude that's been up well over one hundred
dollars before. It's been hovering around sixty bucks. The basin's crewed,
I've been told, has always not garnered that much. It's
always a little less money. So if it's fifty seven
right now, they'd probably sell for fifty five fifty four,

(47:01):
some amount less than what the index says.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
So is waxi crewed are you telling me is a
dirty or form of oil?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
No, it's cleaner, but transport it's the waxy it's because
you need a special way, you need different It refines
different than normal crude, so the waxi crew has to
have a different refining refining process. But it really comes
down to the transportation of it, because those refineries know
that the way it's being refined now is it comes
into those trucks, those tankers hot and then they got

(47:31):
to haul it up quickly before it gets cool to
get it out of the tankers. And because of that,
they know that they've got those the people selling it
where they want them because they can't really sell it
anywhere else. So they get up there, they get it
for a bit of a cheaper price.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
All right, let's go to the phones. Let's go to Jeff,
who's joining us tonight from ORM. Jeff, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (47:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (47:55):
How are you guys doing doing well?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Thank you? Thanks for asking Jeff to have you back, Rod,
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 11 (48:03):
There's just something, you know, just something I don't know
about that other guy.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I was just gonna say, Jeff, you don't have to elaborate,
you know, I can hear you Geeves, just kidding.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Go ahead.

Speaker 11 (48:16):
Well, so I think there's something that everybody's missing. And
this always comes up. But so like in Utah, we
have eighty five octane for our gas, but if you
go to Utah, if you go to light Nevada, it's
eighty seven. It starts at eighty seven, not eighty five.
So we're paying more for eighty five gas gasoline octane gasoline.

(48:42):
Then people pay for a better premium gas in another state,
So our gas should be cheaper, not more expensive. I
don't know if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
It's because of the alta. The elevation actually matters, and.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
So it does.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, so that you know so much about is why
that octane is eighty you can get away with eighty five.
You get down lower to sea level, eighty five is
not going to work as well. But the interesting thing
is that would make sense. Why Colorado, because it's got
higher elevation, is at three dollars five cents, not three
dollars twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
So they have eighty five and we have eighty six
and we have eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
No, we both have eighty five. But to our callers point,
the lower the eighty five octane should be a less
because when they do the when they do the national averages,
they show you a regular what the regular, medium and
premium are, but that octane level changes based on elevation,
and it stands the reason that the eighty five octane
should be just like when you're at eighty seven, you

(49:40):
go to ninety, it costs more, eighty five should cost
less than eighty seven octane, And it's not.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
It's it amazs me Greg the frustration that people have
with this.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah, I have it, I have it. I had it
so bad that when Biden was killing us, I had
those stickers. Well maybe I didn't, Maybe I just know
people that did. Maybe I don't want to self incriminate myself.
But I did this pointing to this, to the to
the high price of gas. And here's the other thing too.
When we don't see our price of gasoline follow the
crude oil coming down, So oil is coming down in price,

(50:11):
which means that our gas prices should come should follow.
That's the way it works. I got a kid in
college right now saying, Dad, you know you were so
mad about Biden's gas prices. Trump's are pretty high. I
don't see you as mad, and so they're not seeing
our young people that might not know. There's an economy
to this. It's not just politically. You can whether it's
the supply on federal leases and things, you can. You

(50:32):
can mess with supply on a political level. But once
the commodity shows that the barrel of gasoline of crude
is so low, our gas prices should go down too.
It's not even it's not a political question anymore. It's
a math. It's just the market should be driving that
price down.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
You know, those people had those I did that stickers
of Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yes, those people, those people, those those were those people
that did that.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Do you think those people realize there are cameras almost
everywhere at convenience stores.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, I don't know. They must have been pretty sly.
I can only imagine how they got that thing stuck
there without even showing the camera. You must have been
smart about that.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
All right, more of your calls coming up eight eight
eight five seven o eight zero one zero eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero, or on your
cell phone dial pound two fifteen and say hey, Ron
little vacation time. Mister Hughes and Carolyn Fippin filled in.
Did a wonderful, wonderful job. But if any of you
have ever traveled to Kui, that's where we spent the week,
y just loved it. Now, I'm not bragging, I'm just

(51:28):
stating fact. Okay, if you've ever been to Quiet, they
have a chicken problem. Okay, there are chickens everywhere on
that island.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
They make noises.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
They well, the rooster's cock a doodle do and jay okay,
just gone, yeah no, see this what maybe someone can
Is it a mating call? Are they communicating with each other?
I'm not sure what they're doing, but those roosters would
cock a doodle from that time the sun came up
till at time the sun went down all day. You'd
hear these roots.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
You know, maybe they're suffering from this daylight savings issue
that I saw from.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Maybe maybe there their body confused.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yes, maybe that's it, you know, because a lot of
us don't like to change it all the time. Well, yeah,
maybe the roosters are in that camp.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Well I couldn't figure that out because I heard roosters
cockadoodle in the morning. That's what these roosters on Kawhi
do it all day.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I swear I've been to the farmer. I only did
it in the morning.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
All right, All right, back to the phones we talk about,
see the knowledge that we share with people.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
That is good.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
The roosters don't know what time it is. Why don't
all right, let's go to the phones. We talk gasoline prices.
Let's go to Roger and north Ogden designed on the
rod In Greg show.

Speaker 12 (52:39):
Hi, Roger, Hello, I think if we're taking McCall I
was curious about something. I don't know if it's been
mentioned before, but I was wondering about the highway taxes
that are included in gas prices. Since we're under constant
construction all the time, if we were paying more because
of that reason, not necessarily the petroleum base, but the
accessive because structure we always have.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
You know, you're you're, you're, you're, you're, you're interesting with
your call. Coach Greg and I were talking about this
during the break about gasoline taxes here in the state.
What are they, Greg, You've got.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Information on so our our gasoline tax is a little
over the national average of the tax. But what it
is is it's a it's not a set percent per gallon,
So if it's ex so say it was ten cents
a gallon, it doesn't stay ten cents a gallon without
just stuck there forever. What it is it's it's like
a sales tax. So it's a percentage of the average
of what they call the rack price, which is a

(53:31):
wholesale price over three months. So I think that can
contribute to a text that if the if the value
goes up, the tax goes up. But here's here's the key.
If the price goes down, the tax goes down. Okay,
so the tax will shrink on the amount if you're
if you're caught if your prices are going down. So
we should see that, So it should and I guess
that's the long way of saying the way where our

(53:54):
state taxes gasoline, it should not contribute mightily to this disparity.
But and we also bond for most of our construction.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
We have brilliant listeners out there. So my question about
why chickens carco doodle in Hawaii in Kawhi right during
the day, Well, we've got a caller. His name is Bryce.
He's callingaires from Syracuse, just moved here from Hawaii. All right,
solve this question, I have Bryce. Why did roosters cockadoodle
all day on Kawhi?

Speaker 13 (54:21):
It's actually on all of the islands. Really moved from Olahu,
but we visited the big island of Hawaii and Maui
and it's every island has that same issue all day long.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
This is a secret. This is not in the brochures.
Do you know that they are not bragging about this,
that these these roosters are just going off all day
there they are.

Speaker 12 (54:43):
Well, no, do you want to go to paradise if
you had something that was.

Speaker 13 (54:46):
Bothering you at all hours of the day and the
night and was confused.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
So you don't know why they do this. You just
know that you can just confirm that isn't up in
the night. It's it's a it's a it's it's Hawaii.
It's a whole, it's all islands.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Right.

Speaker 13 (55:01):
I can definitely confirm because my wife actually started raising
chickens for the last year and a half that we were
out there, and it was a problem in our own backyards.
And I'm like, Bay, our neighbors.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Are wow, all right, Brice, thank you. You know, I
always wanted they have a lot of chicken places in Gaway.
I just wonder if they just went out back grabbed
a few running.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Around the chicken maybe are they skinny ones? That these
are feral chickens.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Good size chickens, I guess that good. And the roosters
are big.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
So I was looking at your gas prices and why
because they're so remote they pay a forge of a gas.
But chicken ought to be a very expensive place. Yeah,
it sounds like supplies.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Why roosters cockadoodle throughout the day? Yeah, I understand first
thing in the morning, But if they're doing it all day,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I think they Maybe they're transplants, Maybe they're off, they're
working on a different you know, mountain standard time could be.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah, blame it on daylight saving time. Yeah, if you
blame everything else on that, all right, more coming up.
Donald Trump and the Department of Homeland Security today announced
a unique plan to get illegal aliens out of this country,
and heed's doing so in a very respectful way. The
news broke this morning on Fox News.

Speaker 14 (56:13):
Fox News Can report exclusively that DHS will announce today
that they're going to start paying for the commercial flights
of illegal aliens who self deport from the US, and
on top of that, they're going to pay them an
additional one thousand dollars stipend once they're confirmed to have
left the country. Now, DHS says doing this is going
to be significantly cheaper for the American taxpayer. They tell

(56:34):
us that right now, it costs on average, about seventeen
thousand dollars to arrest, detain, and deport someone. They say,
paying for self deportations and the stipend will only cost
about forty five hundred dollars per person. That's about seventy
percent cheaper. Aliens are going to have to register to
self deport on the new CVP home mapp to access

(56:54):
that DHS financial assistance, as well as announce their intent
to leave the country. Secretary Christy Nome tells Fox in
part quote, if you are here illegally, self deportation is
the best, safest and most cost effective way to leave
the United States to avoid arrest.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
You don't what, Greg, I absolutely love this idea. I mean,
there's some innovation, there's some thinking going on. Like you
pointed out, there is no way we can deport ten
million people who came to this country illegally during Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
We have no shot at three million.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Sh break it down.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
So I'm staring at the statue right now. Barack Obama
removeday non judicial removals okay for eight years, So eight
years of his administration, seventy five to eighty three percent
of his his deportations expedited removals with no non judicial
So of the three million that were deported over his

(57:49):
eight years, seventy five to eighty three percent percent of
those deportations were non judicial. They bypassed completely the immigration
court hearing and judicial oversight system. Okay, Expedited removals and
administrative removals make up seventy five to eighty three percent.
I'm telling you now, if you want to do what
the judges and the left are telling Trump he has

(58:10):
to do now to just meet Barack Obama's three million
deported over eight years, and you did it through the
immigration courts, you would need two thousand on weekdays. I
counted up the weekdays of eight years of an administration.
You would need to have one day hearings, which these
take longer than one day one day hearings, and you'd
have to have two thousand of these courts, or two

(58:31):
thousand removals by judicial by an immigration court a day
Monday through Friday, not including weekends or holidays, but Monday
through Friday to meet the goal just of what Barack
Obama did. What that tells me is we're never getting
rid of the amount of people that Biden led into
this country over four years, especially when the Left is

(58:51):
allowed to get away with making President Trump go through
a process that Barack Obama didn't go through. Bill Clinton
didn't go through, George W. Bush didn't go through. None
of them went through this. They did this expedited removal,
these deportations this way, and somehow we have this new
definition of due process, this new definition.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Of how all this is supposed to work, not going to.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
And so if we don't find other ways to incentivize
the people that came over here illegally to leave, then
they won because I'm telling you there's and not. Hopefully
the Supreme Court sorts this out, but even if they do,
they didn't do it today. They haven't sorted out yet.
How many days were our one hundred days has passed,
but they are just slow baking this president and this
administration to be it to prevent them from the mass

(59:35):
deportations that need to happen. And unless you find some
unique ways of doing it like this, and I know
that some callers are going to say you're incentivizing it.
All I know is you got to get you got
to get people out that came in illegally. And I
would take anyway right now over not removing them at all.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
DHS says to remove them. By the way, they're suggesting
one thousand dollars pay your flight. You'll cost the American
taxpayer about forty five hundred dollars. That's what Bill Malugin said.
Compare if we went through a court process which you
says will which you say will take forever, seventeen thousand dollars. Yes,
so four thousand, five hundred dollars to the American taxpayer

(01:00:12):
versus seventeen thousand to the American taxpayer. Which one is
the brighter move.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
And that's assuming that they would even see a court
inside a courtroom, which they're not. They're never they're going
to be flight wrists, they're never coming to court. You're
not going to find them. No, you wouldn't even get
a chance to put them in court to even have
the deportation hearing and get the order to deportation order
if you go the way that the left is now
defining deportation in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Let's go to the phone, see what you think about
this deportation plan on the part of the president eight
eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven o eight zero one zero. Or on
your cell phone, justile pound two fifty and say hey, Rod,
we'll get to your calls on the president's deportation plan
paying them one thousand dollars each to leave the country
eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I probably on a theory of this, didn't like it.
For I was in freed by it. I'll just say that, okay,
But I was like I could have a perverse incentive
for people to come across just to get paid to
leave and whatever. Then I did. Then I looked into
how Obama is deporting three million people, and I came
to the conclusion Biden's already won. Obama's three million deportations

(01:01:17):
are not cannot happen the way he did it. Obama
was somehow.

Speaker 8 (01:01:21):
Able to do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
So we're we're Biden's gonna win unless we find a
way to remove those that came here illegally. And I
think it should be a multipromo approach at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Let's go to the phone, see what you have to say.
Tonight we begin and ouged in with zaye zayin how
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Doing guys?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Are you We're doing well? Thank you?

Speaker 8 (01:01:42):
Thanks from Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:01:43):
I think that it should come with a caveat of
the only way you are allowed to apply for legal
status in the US is if.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
You self deport.

Speaker 15 (01:01:54):
So if you are arrested and sent back any way
other than self depoort, you are no longer allowed to
apply for citizenship.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
It's a great observation, and I do believe that is
the case. I think one of the carits that they're
trying to use to get people to do this is
to say you have some shot of a legal entry
and a process in front of you. If you come
clean and get out of here, if we have to
catch you, then you you have eliminated any possibility of
ever being allowed to legally enter this country. Again, that's

(01:02:27):
been that's been a long standing. If you get caught
here illegally, you're never allowed to come across legally. But
the fear is that you get another leftist lunatic in
the office and you know, in the executive branch, and
somehow they change the law. But I to Zayan's point,
that should be the only way. If you came here
illegally and you ever wanted to have legal status, you
would have to leave and then go through a process

(01:02:49):
that's a llegal process. And by the way, I do
believe in having a legal process to legally either work,
visas or immigrant in this country, because if you don't,
then then you do actually encourage illegal entry. If nobody
has any possible way to follow the law and do
it legally, then they're going to try and break the
law because they have no other choice and they see
a quality of life there, it's like a magnet. It's

(01:03:10):
going to pull them in. Have a wide gate, have
a tall wall, but a wide gate.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I love the idea. You can do it the easy way. Yeah,
by leaving the country. We know you're here illegally. You
can leave the country for one thousand dollars. I guess
they pay their flight costs and everything. Yes, okay, to
go back to your home country and down the road.
If you want to come back in, we'll welcome you
with open arms. Yep. If you do it the hardware process.
If we have to find you and kick you out

(01:03:35):
without any incentive, guess what, you're never going to have
a chance to come back in. And that's the way
it should be. That's the way it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I'm telling you, I'm looking at a story and I
think it's happening in Tennessee right now where they're doing
a they're just there. It's like you know how they
have those DUI checkpoints. Oh yeah, it's like it's like
a checking for illegal They've apprehended like one hundred illegal
aliens from this this traffic stop.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Yeah, So if you do that, I fifteen. Could you
imagine if you get certain seventy and I fifteen because
it is quite the gateway for a lot of cartel activity. Yes, yeah,
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah, yeah, well I you know, you know, at least
they're trying to The President has said time and time
again he is going to get people who are in
this country illegally and committing crimes. We're going to get
rid of them. But also people here illegally have not
committed any crimes, but they are committing a crime in
my opinion, by being here illegally to begin with. That

(01:04:28):
will give you some incentive. And the cost I share
Bill Malugin is report that we aired a minute ago
right now, it costs this plan that the president has
will cost the taxpayer about forty five hundred dollars. Okay,
if you do it the hard way, through all the
court process, everything else, right, more than seventeen thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
And I would tell you what I'd take it, I ante,
I would submit this. That's seventeen thousand. If you cost
them and put them through that process, what's it costing
the taxpayers in terms of public service? You know social
services unifications when they hide and they stay hidden and
they become this underclass where they commit that identity theft
to be able to stay here. What is the cost

(01:05:07):
of society where they're never deported versus the seventeen thousand
to do it through a judicial process or the forty
five hundred if you just leave, Yeah, and you do
it now. And I'm telling you, they set up an
app and to bid an administration to let them come
in here, and really in a way that's never been
permitted before. We should this president ought to have an
app to have them come go back, just go back

(01:05:28):
from where you can.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
You know. I wonder, though, Greg, how many illegals in
this country is who want to use the app that
the DHS is designing to say you want to leave,
but are concerned by filling that out you're tipping feds
off the your here illegally and we know where you are.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Yeah, there could be that worry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
I that could be a why.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
I do think though, that the Trump ADM administration has
to they have to be aware of the numbers that
are out there that there is with the way that
the left has successfully just just hunkered this down. They've
just they've just jammed it up and you are never
getting judges and immigration courts and going through the process
that the left wants you to go through that no

(01:06:06):
Democrat president or Republican president has had to go through.
But to do it the way they're demanding, with all
the restraining orders and everything else that's gone on, there
is no math. They basically just say that Biden won
that what he did and how he did it, we're
not removing him because you can't. You could take a
chip at it, you could work at it, a little bit,
but unless you find some other ways to get people

(01:06:28):
to leave, I don't see it happening. I I when
I over the weekend, looked at the volume, and I'm
just talking three million. A lot of people will argue
a lot more than three million people came over this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, ten million. Ten point three million is the number
of voyds.

Speaker 9 (01:06:42):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
There's no possible way to get the three million that
Barack Obama was able to deport under the current political
climate we're in, there's none. So it's a disaster. You
you got to get them out somehow. I'd say, have
them voluntarily leave, And I think to your point that
the reason why you can trust it is because it's
they're better off having you go and catching you and
going through the legal process by you telling on yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
I'm sure is all right. We've got more to come.
We're talking about the border, talking about illegal immigration. We'll
talk with a well known author who gives us the
latest updates on what's going on on the border, and
he'll be speaking at the Governor's Solution Summit coming up
later this week. Sam Quindonas will join us coming up
on The Rodden Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine can ar s apparently weird that weird.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
I had a panel I was the moderator on last year,
so rub it in. Yeah, so you know, speak for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Didn't invite me cow. But one of the guests this
week will be a journalist and author of photographer. He's
done a lot of work on the border. His name
is Sam Quinonez. We had a chance to talk with
him recently about his appearance here in Salt Lake City,
but first we wanted to ask him about the situation
on the border. The President has done an amazing job

(01:07:57):
on the border and we asked for his thoughts about
what's taking place now.

Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
Well, I'm somewhat hopeful that the the push for tariffs
on the part of the Trump administration with regard to Mexico,
maybe able to really, you know, ignite Mexico to some

(01:08:21):
kinds of activities of efforts that they haven't done up
to now. I see this also in the fact that
they have a new president who seems to me much
more interested in this kind of thing than the previous one.
The last six years, a guy named Andres Manuel Lopez
Obrador really did nothing. I'm hoping too that we will
understand that part of the reason the tropicers down in

(01:08:44):
Mexico produce such ghastly and relentless quantities of fentanyl and
mulam fedament is because they are armed with guns that
are bought here and are and are smuggled south. I'm hoping,
along with the idea that these are are going to
be deemed foreign terrorist threats, that we might also consider
not arming them if they're terrorists. That is a possibility.

(01:09:08):
So there's an awful lot of bad news when it
comes to this. On the other hand, there are some
pushes that I think are probably overdue, and I'm hoping
that actually the Trump administration will see that the threat
of terrorists may work better than the actual imposition of terrorists.
Always having that threat, that leverage there is I think

(01:09:29):
may work better, but I don't know that's that's certainly
up up to them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Sam I am a recovering public servant. I spent a
lot of time in our state legislature and we really
did delve into this issue of homelessness and the drug cartels.
We had a DEA Special Agent in charge here in
Utah during the time I served. That really opened my
eyes to the criminal element, where you have wolves that
prey upon the vulnerable. Took we took a trip a

(01:09:55):
lot of our state leaders and local and community leaders
to Los Angeles. Heard an interest observation from the LAPD
who work that skid Row area, that central jurisdiction. They're
in Los Angeles, and they said, you know, in a war,
you don't leave your troops on the front line for
six years. But we've been in We've been in this area,
fighting these cartels and fighting this circumstance for years and years,

(01:10:16):
and you could see the fatigue on their face. I
don't know that every I think everybody just sees a
homelessness as just one category. Can you maybe share how
brutal it may be and how there's a criminal element
to it and people being preyed upon, and just kind
of the maybe the complexity of homelessness and drug trafficking
and human trafficking and how it is growing the way

(01:10:38):
it is, because I don't know that everybody sees it
as it really is.

Speaker 9 (01:10:42):
Oh, I think they're all connected. Certainly, it's very hard
to separate them. It's very hard to separate in fact,
Sentinel and nothing futtament, even though they want as a depressant,
ones are stimulant. They're normally not used together. But now
you're seeing what they are and what you're finding too.
I think as part of what you're talking about is
simple the enormous supplies coming out of Mexico or just

(01:11:04):
relentless they have been able to cover the country and
metham fetament and fetanel in in case of nothing fetterment,
they've dropped the price. Both of these drugs had devastating
effects on the person. Fetnah of course quite deadly, probably
the most deadly drug we were seeing sold illegally on
the street. Methom fetterment has its own problems, creating very

(01:11:27):
dramatic symptoms of mental illness that combined with the street
combined with attitudes that say, well, we should let people
find readiness and then they'll they'll check in the treatment.
I don't see that that's happening on the street with
the with the quantities of drugs that are out there,
I think we got away from using some things, some

(01:11:47):
leverage like like the the the leverage of law enforcement,
arrest and that kind of thing that I think would
have been should be very helpful in getting people off
the street. The main thing with these two drugs, you've
got to get people off the street because there's they
before there's there's no time. Really people die, they're driven

(01:12:11):
to madness and then they die long before they ever
develop readiness on the street. And so we need to
use different leverages, different different tools that we have believed
are not effective, and I don't I don't agree with that.
I think law enforcements, for example, is got enormous possibilities

(01:12:31):
that we simply in many parts of the country anyway,
have simply shied away from using because well, that's supposedly
the drug war and the drug work failed. I think
what we're seeing now on the streets particularly, it wasn't
side of the United States, but then elsewhere as well,
is a whole bunch of approaches that were designed for
another era, pre frontal pre that in the quantities and

(01:12:55):
the sheer potency that we are seeing, and that is
one of the reasons we have really, I think, not
been able to do much. I think it's a very
These are very difficult problems. They begin to connect very
quickly on the streets, and I'm not saying it's easy.
I'm just saying we need to use all the tools
that we have, and so far, I think a lot
of times.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
We have not sam What about What did the American people,
in your opinion, not understand about the battle that Donald
Trump is having right now with their cartels and how
powerful these cartels are. What do the American people need
to know about these cartels?

Speaker 9 (01:13:34):
A couple of things. One is that they are very sophisticated,
have been at this. There's a vast culture, particularly Northwest Mexico,
of drug trafficking, and a huge division of labor, all
kinds of diversification in terms of job jobs and so on.
I would say too, that we have we have allowed

(01:13:55):
ourselves to be sucked into this in a way, again
by the by the sheer sale of weapons that allow
them to better than smuggle down to Mexico. Long the
ammunition and arm these these guys, I would say. Finally,
one thing that's very very important to understand is there
has been a dramatic skiff, almost a revolution in the

(01:14:17):
cartel world in Mexico away from plant based drugs and
towards synthetic drugs. Synthetic meaning drugs that are only made
with chemicals, no plants involved, So marijuana, cocaine, they'll they'll
ship up Columbian cocaine when the Columbians come with it.
That's an important part of their business. But really when
it comes to their own drugs, they are making their

(01:14:39):
drugs with chemicals, and fentanyl and method are the two
most important ones, although there's several others that are that
are minor importance, I think. And the reason they're doing
that is because it makes business sense to them. They
don't need land anymore, sunlight, they don't need irrigation, farmers
all the stuff they needed to make you know, heroin,

(01:15:01):
poppies or marijuana or whatever, synthetic judge, all you require
is a small patch of land, maybe somebody who knows
a little bit about chemistry, and maybe a professor of chemistry,
maybe a corporate chemist, maybe a chemistry student. And then
the most important thing is you need access to shipping ports,
because through the shipping ports is where they are getting

(01:15:23):
all of their ingredients, the chemical ingredients that go into
the fentanyl and the math that they are making in
such gasly quantities, and the fact that they're able to
produce enough sentinel enough to cover essentially the United States,
just this testament to how just rampant, how just unlimited

(01:15:47):
is their access to these ingredient chemicals. So it's a
brand new world in the drug trafficking trade down in
Mexico from I lived down there for ten years from
nineteen ninety four to four, and really we're still mostly
rancher types, farmer types, but that has changed in the
last thirty years and now they become chemical traders on

(01:16:08):
the chemical in the world chemical markets.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Boy, frightening though, Sam ken Yunez, he'll be speaking at
the Governor's Solution Summit coming up on Wednesday. You're on
the roddin Gregshaw.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Open alcatraz I love. I'm staring at a post by
Donald J. Trump, our good President, and he's saying, look,
you know it is time, we've been plagued by vicious, violent,
repeat criminal offenders, the dregs of society who will never
contribute anything other than misery and suffering. When we were
a more serious nation in times past, we did not
hesitate to lock up the most dangerous criminals and keep

(01:16:40):
them far away so they could do no harm. That's why, why,
That's the way it's supposed to be. He then says
it's time to open up, to enlarge and rebuild Alcatraz.
Have you been Alcatraz?

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yes, I have too. Yeah, it's a fascinating too. I
wonder today, greg or, in the coming months, how much
the people will show up to take a tour about
cut trees. I bet their business picked up today, like
you wouldn't believe. People want to go see it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Yeah, I love I love it on so many levels
because when I toured that, it was a long time ago.
But when I toured it, it's like I thought, perfectly
good buildings. I mean, I know it's a little age,
but you know these bars still are bars. I mean,
it could work. And I want to see where al Capone,
you know, where his cell was. But if they refurbish
that thing and they make it state of the art
and enlarge it, okay, and make it bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Then why do we need Al Salvador this one I'm thinking.
I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
But here's the here's the deal I would make with
every one of those rotten people you put on that island.
If you can break out and then you can swim,
and you may go in that icy water and you
can swim eighth it's almost two miles almost in the
icy water. If you can do that, you get to stay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
You get to be an American.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
It's uniquely American to overcome that kind of of adversity.
If you can get out of the high the new
not the old Alcatraz, but the refurbished high security Alcatraz,
and then you swimming at icy water for two miles
with all the currents and sharks, you get the other side.
Welcome to America.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
You win.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
I think that's a uniquely American test. Yeah that if
you did that, you could be an American.

Speaker 8 (01:18:14):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
I'd make that deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Here's what's so unique about Donald Trump and his administration.

Speaker 12 (01:18:18):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Of course, the big news coming out of the Meet
the Press interview yesterday was whether or not he uphold
the Constitution that would have been the big story today.
But what does he do. He announces DHS going to
offering people one thousand dollars to leave the country if
you're here ill legally. And then Alcatraz. Everybody today has
been talking about Alcatraz. If you haven't been there and

(01:18:41):
you're going to San Francisco in the coming months, I
think both of us would highly recommend you paid the
money and go see it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Go see it. Well, it was like a headphone set.
You kind of got to tour. I don't know what
they're doing nowadays, but I'm telling you it's a really
it's really interesting because some of the worst criminals that
you've heard about in history up there lived there. And
then you know they closed it down. But I'm telling
you that play is still it's primed, it's perfect. Well,
it's a perfect place. Apparently need it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Yeah, I think it's apparently unlike the National Register or
something like that. Right, And someone called the Park Service,
who oversees all of this, and said, you know, what
do you think of this side And their response was,
we'll do what the President asked us to do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
As they should, as the commander achieved deserves that respect
and should see.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
If he wants it changed, We're going to change.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Of course, it's such a smart deal. It's just this
is why I love this president. And again I think
it has a chilling effect. Talk about the self deportations.
I think there is going to be a moment where
where you see an administration serious enough that even if
you don't take him up on the app because you're
worried that maybe that ALTI or something, I think you're
going to go. I think the identity theft people have

(01:19:45):
to commit under the table, payments that people have, I
would hope with with you know, housing being a struggle,
cost of living being a struggle, everyone trying to find
gainful employment as citizens, that this whole illegal immigration, I
hope they just and then they see Tres sitting out there. Yeah,
they don't want to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yeah, I've got to go online and check the tour
see if they're booked. They're probably booked out for the
next suver months before we leave. Peter Doocy, yes, White
House correspondent, does the great can't win? This guy can't win?
So what was it a week or so ago?

Speaker 6 (01:20:16):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
He was doing a live shot from outside the White
House and he was attacked by a bird. Yes, everyone
had a little bit of fun of him. Right, well,
guess what happened again this morning?

Speaker 14 (01:20:26):
Presidential orders like that one back to you, Peter, Are
you dodging birds again?

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
There is a bird? Yes I am. I don't know.
I need to like shave my head.

Speaker 6 (01:20:36):
If it's because you're so tall and so cute, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Birds to Alcatraz, Alcatraz, Send them there. They're gonna they'll
do well too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
We're telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
I just love it. I think that's someone told me
it's a man made island. Alcatraz is and it was
done I believe the Navy to protect San Francisco during
wartime early. Yeah, yeah, when they do. There's a number
of islands.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Before the Golden Gate Woods built.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
I don't know. I don't know when they did it,
but that's what I heard. I heard it's a man
made island.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
If you have never rocked, yeah, if you're going towards
San Francisco, Why anyone would want to go there now,
I do not understand. But just in case you are,
or you're on a business trip, you've got an extra day,
book a tour and go out to see it. It's
a fascinating place.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Actually, I'm going to actually get the Clint Eastwood movie
Escape from Alcatraz, because I love that movie, and then we're.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Gonna watch both Sean Conner in that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
If we could expand that to a big.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Big number beautiful and beautiful prison.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yes, and send all the worst of the worst out
there live out there would be great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
There's also Nick Cage's best movie.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
I think it is my favorite of his. Well, his
National Treasure is pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
I like the Airplane one with the prisoners an conn Air.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Conn Air was good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
That pretty good movie as well. Yeah, all right, uh
a lot more to talk about tomorrow. Thanks, good to
be back. Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your family and this great country of ours. We'll
talk to you tomorrow, starting them for Have a good evening.

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