The Rod and Greg Show: Why EV Ford Pickups Didn't Make Sense; Constitutional Turning Point; Denmarks Cow Farting Experiment

4:38 pm: Steve Milloy, Senior Fellow at the Energy and Environment Legal Institute, joins the program to discuss his piece about why Ford’s electric F150 pickup truck was a commercial failure.

6:05 pm: Dr. John Eastman, a Senior Fellow at the Claremont Institute, joins Rod and Greg to discuss his piece for The American Mind on the constitutional importance of the upcoming Supreme Court term.

6:38 pm: Leslie Eastman, a writer for Legal Insurrection, joins the show to discuss her piece about how Denmark's attempts to reduce the amount of methane gas produced by cows via a food additive have failed and now cows are dying.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We like to make sure they know who we are.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah, so you're a tricked rod folks, He said, you're on,
and he just went on for a while and then
and then all of a sudden he Ray said, psych
just kidding.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Just kidding, do it?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That was fun? Do you recommend starting every show that way?
That was cool?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Twice?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, I thought it was better the second time.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Then, well, how are you? We have got a lot
to talk about today, of course news going on today.
The question I have Greg, and we'll get into the shutdown?
What was it for? I mean, you really asked yourself
what was this all about?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah? Well, it was to inflict the maximum amount of
pain on the American people, and their Democrats are still
weeping and whaling, lamenting that they have they don't have
more pain to uh distribute across this country. You have
some I think some some good members of the of
the Senate that are Democrats, that are the adults in charge,
that have decided that they knew, they knew their endgame

(00:59):
was never going to be yeah, everything country. So they've
come across and they've come to an agreement. I want
to I want to, you know, acknowledge those that did
it because I think that's that's the serious policy makers
in the in the you know, in the Democrat caucus
of the Senate. But I also think that you need
to pay close attention to how many people, whether it's

(01:21):
in the Senate, the House representatives, or the regime media,
who are livid that people are not suffering still, or
that that suffering would not continue beyond Wednesday, as they
think this will be finalized and put the put to
bed at least till January thirtieth.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
On Wednesday, Well, we'll get into that. We've got a
lot of other news, big news coming from the International
Olympic Committee today, Holy Toledo, there's common sense. We'll tell
you what that is all about. Well, Jimmy Kimmel's wife.
As if Kimmel is not among Trump supporters, the leits
like person out there, maybe next to Stephen Colbert, maybe
his the hate level for Kimmel isn't as high as

(02:00):
it is for Colbert. But his wife decided to get
into this discussion. Apparently she's embarrassed by some members of
her own family.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So what comes first to chicken or the egg? Is
Kimmel this bad because his wife is for cocoa?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Bops.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I mean, she's got trump Drange syndrome as bad as
he does her worse. I mean, where's this whole Where's
what is the origin of all this?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I have no idea. She We'll get into that. So
we've got a lot of other things. Oh, a little
bit later on my favorite story of the day, what
Denmark is trying to do to stop cows from farting.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I know you do love this story.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I love this. There's something about.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Production story this morning with this, this is your favorite talk.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
There is something about this story that I as if
I don't know, no, well, there is a there is
as we aren't faking this now, this is a real story.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
There is a theory out there that that it is
the flatullation of cows, that is that is warming the planet,
and that there is a strategy to stop this from happening.
It's all bizarre and silly, and and I have to
do is look at China on any given day with
their manufacturing and the black smoke billowing to know where
you know where some of our climate issues or or

(03:07):
pollution issues I should say, are coming from.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
It is just weird. So we'll talk about that. Your
phone calls is always and oh, by the way, this
is hard for me to say, but we're giving away
tickets to Journey.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
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are coming. I'm I totally faked my voice this time.
And Eray is not going to even though it's me
and I'm gonna win these tickets because I want to
go to see Journey.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
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But also up on our Twitter page, e Ray has
put kind of a little bit of teaser there, kind
of giving you an ideas to what we the song
you may be wanting to listen for.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
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puts our line up, He puts and puts it. The
guests that we have on and the articles that spurred
us to reach out to them to talk about the
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Speaker 1 (04:05):
So be listening for your favorite Journey, give us a
follow I don't have any, but yeah, you may have
I think.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
That's a requisite.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Just listen to the bumper music that will be in.
All right, let's talk about the vote in the sense, well,
they haven't officially taken the vote. I think that's coming
up any minute now. But this is how CNN described
last night that apparently the shutdown may coming to an end.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Again.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
You're looking live at the Senate floor as the Democratic
filibuster has been broken. We have so far reached sixty.
We're writing for the official count, but right now, sixty
votes that would unlock moving forward with this plan to
reopen the government.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
On the Senate side, Did you hear what she called that,
Craig CNN? The Democratic filibuster? Yep, the Democratic shutdown?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Are they just now waking up? Duh?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
They always knew it was. They didn't want to call
it that. It's sad they couldn't even give maybe ten
percent of the kind of coverage, negative coverage they would
give if the Republicans didn't want to sign on to
a continued resolution. All the things draconian things they would
talk about, they wouldn't say any of them really about
the Democrats. But when it came to opening the government,
it's like, yeah, we know, the Democrats shut this whole

(05:16):
thing down. All of this was there.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, they're doing now. As you mentioned, there were what
six eight senators who voted to join the Republicans in
reopening this. We'll get a final vote here sometime this
evening in the Senate, then it goes to the House tomorrow.
They're expected to move on it either tomorrow or on Thursday,
I believe is the plan right now. But this is
one of the Democratic senaters. Well, he's an independent, but

(05:39):
he caucuses with the Democrats. His name is Angus King.
He is from I believe, Maine. I believe. But he
explained last night why he decided to vote along with
the Republicans and what he's going to be doing.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Has I assessed it. There was zero chance of dealing
with the ACA issue as long as the shutdown continued. Now,
I don't know fifty to fifty, but there's a lot
better chance now than there was this morning because nothing
was happening, and there was no evidence that another week

(06:13):
or another two weeks or Thanksgiving or Christmas was suddenly
the Republicans want to come to us and say, oh,
we want to now talk about the ACA. There's if they.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Weren't going to do it.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
By now, what's going to change in the next two
weeks is going to make them do.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
It, you know. You know, Greg, I am so proud
of the Republicans for standing strong, and I think they've
learned how to do this from Donald Trump. Donald Trump
has taught the Republicans how to fight, not to give in.
He did not even want to meet with the House
leaders because or the Senate leaders in the Democratic side,
because he knew there was there was no negotiation with him.

(06:49):
He made it stand. He stood his ground, and the
the the Republicans in the Senate saw that and stood
their ground as well.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
And I think what the Democrats were wholly unprepared for.
And frankly, if we're if we were paying it very
close attention to the Senate, we should all be very
surprised about is that Mitch McConnell didn't break for the Democrats.
Susan Collins didn't break with the Democrats, Lisa Murkowski didn't
break with the Democrats. You usually have these familiar suspects
that are Republicans who will try to force the Republican

(07:18):
caucus to do something that they don't want to do.
To capitulate to Democrats, and they usually go over to
that side. They held that caucus one hundred percent strong,
gave as you heard, no indication that they were going
to break that. You weren't going to you weren't going
to make things worse for Americans as a way to
make them capitulate. And once they came to some of
them that came to that conclusion realized that you're not

(07:40):
going to keep harming Americans to a point where your
terrorist you know, extortion is going to work. They're not
going to move on this. They said, we got to
get this country going. We got to quit hurting people,
which was always the point, and it was never appropriate
for them to have tried it in the first place.
And I think that the lasting message here is if
they had given, if Republicans had given into this, you
were going to get more of it. You would have

(08:02):
seen government shutdowns at every turn from a party out
of power, if that's the only lever they had, and
they were willing to use it to just to put us,
just raise the misery index, to force Republicans in the
majority to do something they wouldn't otherwise do.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
And you know what's so funny, about this. What did
the Democrats get out of this? All they got was
a promise to vote. That's it.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
And I'll tell you this not a win. Just okay,
we'll vote. Okay, we may lose, but at least we'll
promise you will vote. That's all they got out of
this thing.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
One of the unintended consequences they got out of this
was a much higher scrutiny to some of these programs
like the failure of Obamacare and how it isn't it
isn't able to sustain itself, or how much fraud is
going on in our food stamps, our snap program that
was getting a lot of scrutiny that it typically doesn't
get that it should have gotten a long time ago.
So the unintended consequence I see is that they weren't

(08:52):
getting closer to the food stamps than the you know,
the free food and the free healthcare. It was getting
harder because of the amount of fred that we were
learning more and more about.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, and I want to get into that a little
bit more, because I think this has created a great
opportunity for the Republican Party if they play their cards right, Greg,
I think this creates a great opportunity for.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
The Republican It absolutely does. There is there is a
space here for to do some reform, to do something
for people that need affordable health care, not make insurance
companies rich and subsidize everything so that no one can
afford anything. Yeah. Yeah, you got to get better than that.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
A lot to get to today, including a chance for
you to win some tickets to see Journey. You want
to listen to the bumper music coming up sometime on
the show tonight, and if you're the tenth caller, you
could win them. So not yet, not yet, but not yet.
Just be listening, stay tuned. All right, We've got a
lot more to get to. On the Monday edition of
The Rotting Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine,
can or ask I want to ask you, Greg, were

(09:50):
you surprised at all that we got a deal over
Apparently we're close to getting a deal now. On the
shutdown word what day forty today? Longest one ever in history?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think mixed. I felt like they and Democrats that
don't support this deal, which is the majority of them,
are saying what I thought they would say, and that
is that they felt that there was some kind of
mandate by the people that they keep this government closed
by what they saw in the mid term election results.
Those election results are in New York City and in
New Jersey and in the heavily you know, the federal

(10:24):
employees of Virginia and in California. That does not America's
sentiment make but they were They think that's some kind
of American mandate for them to keep everything shut down.
So I felt like they would push the envelope even more.
But I'm not surprised that there are some members of
the Senate, both Republican and Democrats, that understand who they're harming,

(10:45):
and the economy they're harming, the households they are harming,
the kids that who need, who need their need snap
or need that you know, they need to be fed.
There's just so many consequences, and I think there were
enough senators, including at least eight Democrats, senators who understood
the consequences were too high and were done playing this game.
And I'm glad, I'm grateful that they came to disagreement.

(11:06):
So I'm surprised, but not surprised.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Well, I you know, I hope people in this country,
people who are using Obamacare, people who use the stamp
program realize that they were being used by the Democrats.
I don't think the Democrats care at all about these
people grated, but they were being used. Listen to this
montage of Democrats during this whole shutdown talking about leverage

(11:30):
and how they were using people who generally support them
as leverage.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
We need to do this while we have the leverage.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
Of course, there will be, you know, families that are
going to suffer, but it is one of the few
leverage times we.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Have it reopened the government and we lose our leverage.
There has to be an agreement right now. That's what
this whole shutdown is about.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the White House.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Frankly, this is our only moment of leverage.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
The idea that you would give up all of your
leverage and then hopefully get some sort of great deal
coming down the pike is just a fool's Errand.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
Why are working families the leverage of Democrats?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Need you get Obamacare fixed. It's the only lever we have.
Democrats have this one little sliver right now when we've
got some leverage here.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
Some Republican senator have pushed a bill that would pay
government workers.

Speaker 7 (12:29):
I think that just gives the president more leverage. Catherine
was basically expressing in her own words the notion that
our leverage right now are our votes.

Speaker 10 (12:41):
Them wanting to solve the problem that we want to solve, but.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
Do it in a couple of days or a couple
of weeks.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
When we've given up our negotiating leverage.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
Without that leverage, the minority Party would be stuck in
the mud and not basically have anything to negotiate.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I tell you what, greg, people who support the Democratic Party,
if they aren't ticked at this that the Democrats were
using them as leverage to get to get advanced subsidies
for Obamacare, I would be so angry at the Democratic
Party right now using them as using people as leverage.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
And look there every time in the past, if there
were Republicans that couldn't gut, couldn't stomach spending more money,
and didn't want to vote for a continuing resolution because
of how dangerous it is to deficit spend, the Democrats
would so would would point out, you can't hold this
whole government and all the people hostage. You can't you
can't have the government of the United States not be

(13:40):
able to pay its bills and to leave people high
and dry. You cannot do this to individuals. This isn't
how how responsible governance works. They would say that about
Republicans and it would be an effective way. You've never
seen a shutdown last as long because at some point
those consequences hit home. The Democrats by that that vignette
of you know that you just played, they don't see

(14:01):
a single individual, family, child. They see nobody but leverage
for their political power. That is all they considered. That
is all this has ever been about. And it betrays
what they've said in the past about government shutdowns, and
it shows that they could, at least a twenty twenty
five version of Democrats could care less about everyday American people.

(14:22):
They could care less. It is only a lever to
further pursue their political interest, which, by the way, they
got a club, folks, and you're not invited. They're not
talking about you, they're not talking about They've got illegals.
They got a feed like illegals. They have to give
it health care to They've got a healthcare system that
they've socialized that can't stand up on its own. They
don't want you to know about and know how bad

(14:44):
it is and how much it's going to cost this
country that it can't afford. They don't want you to
know any of that. It's more power for them. The
more dependent you are on them and on the government,
the more power they have. That's all they care. And
they've shown their hand.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, And have you ever gone through life or had
a situation in your life where you felt you were used?
If you're a Democrat, guess what you should be feeling
that way right now? That's right, because you were used, folks.
All right, A lot more to come on the Monday
afternoon edition of The Rotting Gregg Show right here on
Talk Radio one oh five nine kay nrs. The Trump
Plan for Energy continues to roll along.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I'm not sure if you saw this story over the weekend.
It was released, I believe last week, but the US
has become the first country to export over ten million
metric tons of LNG liquified natural gas in one month.
They did that in October.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
You know, that's what's so exciting about that is that,
I mean, I guess I'm an old head now. I'd
spent a long time since I was elected, but we
were taught we were so bullish. We have such natural
gas resources as a state, forget about being energy independent
as a country. The state of Utah has so much
oil and gas, and particularly gas, but liquified natural gas
is something that is an industry that Utah could be well,

(15:55):
would do very very well in. And when I was there,
we were talking about those prospects of exporting, delivering liquefied
natural gas, but even exporting it because it's such an
important energy source. But now you're saying it's happening.

Speaker 11 (16:10):
It is.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
David Blackman, who's an energy and policy writer, wrote this.
He said the fact that America Oil, America's oil and
gas industry was able to pass this stunning milestone is
impressive considering all the roadblocks to progress which were thrown
up by the Biden ministry.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
And they really have. They've done that. Even the city
of Oakland to try and use their ports, they would
stop international they stop interstate commerce and international trade. As
a council, as a city council in Oakland from Utah
exports trying to get things overseas.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Made a lot of sense, didn't it.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well, last week also was announced that Ford Motor Company
is basically giving up on an electrified F one to
fifty down it used to be. I'm not sure if
it's still the case today that the F one fifty
is the biggest selling auto in America today.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think it used to be and may be.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
But Ford decided to try with an EV that has failed.
And joining us on our Newsbaker line to talk about
it is Steve molloy. He's a senior Fellow of Energy
and Environment Legal Institute, formerly with the Trump transition team
as well on the environment. Steve, thanks for joining us.
All right, why did Ford decide to get in to
an F one fifty and electric F one fifty? Why

(17:23):
did they do it? And what has happened?

Speaker 8 (17:24):
Well, I think it might have something to do with
the fact that in the last couple of years they've
been losing somewhere between thirty to sixty thousand dollars per
EV sold. And that's just a business plan, even for Ford.
I guess, you know, having one edsel wasn't good enough.
Now they've had to have two.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
So I heard that they were having a difficult time
maybe a mile long worth of wiring to try and
even make their vehicles EV vehicles. There seemed to be
something hard on the production. But now you have a
time where there is the consumer demand there, and now
that there's a premium on electricity that no one saw

(18:06):
coming until maybe a year or two ago. What would
you say would be the driving factor for maybe EV's
not being as viable?

Speaker 11 (18:13):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Is it lack of interest? Is it? It's more scarce,
electricity is becoming more scarce or a combination?

Speaker 8 (18:20):
Well? True, Look the the any ev let alone f
one fifty, they're just a halfle right, they cost more.
The one Big Beautiful Bill ended the seventy five hundred
dollars federal subsidies for them in September, So they're all
of a sudden more expensive. Higher electricity prices definitely worked

(18:44):
against them. Even if you bought, you know, even if
you were if you imagine you were saving money charging them,
you're really not. I mean, you have to drive these
cars for like ninety three thousand miles or maybe even
a couple of hundred thousand dollars before you break in it,
even you know, considering the extra cost of the purchase price.

(19:06):
So there's no reason for it. It wasn't a good value.
It was just a disaster, and you know, Ford completely miscalculated.
You know, the high end pickup truck market was not
really where it had to succeed with EVS, and they
just never figured that out.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
You know, Steve greg and I often talk about politicians
and people who read the room and understand what's going on.
Did they not read the room about the people who
buy a Ford f one fifty because I mean you've
got to coming from the CEO Jim Farley saying, you know,
the truck being like a smartphone that can tow ten
thousand pounds. I mean, they obviously did not read the

(19:46):
room of the Ford truck buyers.

Speaker 8 (19:48):
Well, but you know, these guys have been locked in
their c suites for fifteen twenty years now, you know,
wringing their hands about climate change, and you know they
got talked into.

Speaker 11 (20:02):
That.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
You know, they thought that the federal government was basically
going to mandate evs and so you know, you're gonna
need pickup trucks and wow, this is a great opportunity.
And I mean, these are not people that live in
the real world. They don't understand never understood climate, climate science,
global energy use. How people hate mandates. It's like they

(20:22):
don't even live in this country. They just don't really
understand Americans.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
You know, this is I don't know if this is
this is probably a bad comparison, but I remember when
the government or somebody wanted to give you rebates to
buy these LED lights. These you know, they weren't caandescent
light bulbs. They were different, but they had a tiny
look to them. They would flicker. Nobody really wanted them.
But when though, when those light bulbs became as bright
and would turn on as strong and would last a

(20:48):
lot longer than the traditional light bulb, but it had
a market demand for it. Do you see a time
where there's a market demand? I look around, I see
a lot of electric vehicles. Maybe not true, but it
looks like there is some popularity to an electric vehicle.
Do you see a combination in a marketplace where there's
electric vehicles there's gasoline vehicles? Or is that are we

(21:10):
going to go? Are you going to see a trend
back to our more traditional vehicles? Do you think gasoline?

Speaker 8 (21:15):
Well, I object, I object to your characterization of LED
light bulbs is good, but that's that's.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I don't know anybody had to take on those, you.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Know, they're they're they're way way too bright, way too bright.
But look, if you're buying an EV because you imagine
that you saved the planet, you're buying it for the
wrong reason. If there's some reason you like an EV
or a hybrid or you know, even a car that

(21:49):
gets really great gas mileage, you know, if you think
you saved the money, more power to you. But if
you're going to force these things down our throats because
we're supposed to be saved the climate and they're not,
then that's just fraud and people are going to resent it.
And that's you know, that's really the problem with these things.
People resent them. When Musk just started selling cool teslas,

(22:13):
people like them, right, I mean, here's sort of a
status symbol, and that was that's fine. People want to
want to buy, you spend extra money to get, you know,
that kind of feeling cool. But to force us to
buy to save the planet, no way.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
See did Ford ever hear back from people who actually
did buy one of those one to fifty evs, And
what were they saying about them? Did they like them,
did they not like them? Were they a pain in
the you know what to drive? What was the feedback
on them.

Speaker 8 (22:42):
You know, I don't know, but it does it even
really matter when you're losing tens of thousand dollars dollars?
I mean, isn't that kind of the feedback you need?
I mean, when did you expect to make money off
these things? I mean Ford lost billions and billions of
dollars just because of the evs. And the problem is
that people like me. I have a Ford expedition, you know,

(23:04):
so I've been paying trade for these losses, right because
because the cost of my car has gone up, you know,
twenty five thirty percent because of these EV's.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Steve malloy joining us on our news maker line, talking
about that decision by Ford to cut back on the
production of F one fifty evs. Greg, I'll go back
to what I said earlier. They didn't read the room. Now,
you know, people will buy ev are, people will buy
Ford F one fifties. They don't want an EV Yeah,
I think all about.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
They didn't care about the room and they didn't care
to Renk. That's true. They wanted to do this whether
the people wanted it or not. I think that how
difficult electricity is now to generate, and it's it's demand
and it's growing demand. Is what's changing now. Everybody's sobering
up on this and they're not letting us, the consumers
pick what we really want.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, Yeah, you're right. All right, We've got a lot
to come for you on this Monday afternoon here on
talk Radio one oh five nine can Arrest. We brought
this up earlier in the show. Greg. I think if
if Donald Trump has done anything for the Republican Party,
it has taught them how to fight. Yes, you know,
Donald Trump's been in many battles over the years. He's
in the real estate business. He knows what it takes,

(24:14):
and he's taught them how to fight. I want you
to listen to this exchange over the weekend on ABC
this week with George Stuffelove iguests yes, because he got
into one with Scott Besson and listen how Bessont simply
takes him down.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And continues to post about ending the filibuster. Is that
is that the best way to end the shutdown right now?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Is that what the administration position is? No, George, the
best way to do it?

Speaker 11 (24:38):
And look, you were involved in a lot of days
in the nineties and you basically called the Republicans terrorist
and you know you said that it is not the
responsible party that keeps the government closed. And so what
we need is five brave moderate Democratic senators to cross
the aisle, because right now it is fifty two to three.

(25:01):
Fifty two to three. Five Democrats can cross the aisle
and reopen the government.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
That's the best way to do it.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
George.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I can disagree with you about the history there, but
we don't know about the history lesson. Right now, let's
talk about George, George, let's talk about what's happening.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I asked all your quesotes here. I got all.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I'm sure you do, and it's talking about the situation.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Read your book.

Speaker 11 (25:26):
So you got one one purchase on Amazon this week,
and that's very much what you said.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
He just called them out and it's not a Man.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
I love this guy because he has this very calm,
staid personality, but man, he knows this. He's so so smart,
and he is so and he is just not going
to let it go. And you're right, I think he.
I think President Trump has shown that it is a
requirement to serve in his administration that you fight back
when there's lies being told. When he says we can

(25:57):
disagree about that. You can't because you said it, You
said it in your books, in your book, you set
it on PBS Frontline in two thousand and one. There
is so many examples of when and what you said,
what you said and when you said it that you
cannot today say, well, we may disagree, No, you can't disagree.
These sentences are not open to interpretation. You said, and

(26:21):
Obama has said every Democrat when the shoe was on
the other foot and the Republicans did want to did
not want to continue the budget resolution and wanted to
shut down the government. Every single thing they've said applies
to them and their conduct right now.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I love it. Yeah, hey, I you don't look on Amazon.
There's a book that I purchased.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Every one of the one book away from what you said.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I are in this book for granted out loud. And
that's why I love it. I mean, the Republicans are
learning how to stand up and say no.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
And now you look at what the BBC has been
caught doing, trying to edit what what Trump said on
January sixth to make it like those the people that
did it from BBC were fired. But now he's looking
at litigation against BBC. I love it. He's fighting back
on on these antics.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Don't take it folks, all right, our number two come
in your way to stay with us.

Speaker 8 (27:11):
I do.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's very, very good band. And then that Filipino boy,
he sings it as good as Steve Perry. You'd think
those guys were the same.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
And you're saying Steve Perry saying, well.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
He's saying he was like a songbird. He can't Steve
Perry can't sing as good as this. A Filipino dude
that sings like him.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Kids like what twenty I don't know. Fifty is a
Philippine guys, and it's fifty. Wow.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
I saw him get this. I saw him sing in
twenty twelve, the film The Replacement in twenty twelve. How
long is that? That's what you want thirteen years ago?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well you want a badge of honor?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Well, I'm just saying he's not twelve because he's you know,
if he was doing it and I heard him thirteen
years ago, he's been there for a while.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Thirty years. How what you're saying, you right, guy was
very twenty years ago. Wow, Well we'll have more tickets.
Oh wait, what what are band, this band.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Can we just make journey our just permanent bumper music
every single day, all the time. That's what we need
to do.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
You'll be doing the show by yourself. No, enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I like ratings. I think the I think the audience
would be so sad.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
All right, now let's talk Yeah, let's talk more about
the shutdown. So many questions out there. I go back
to what I asked at the beginning of the show.
What was it all about? Really? Nothing, nothing was achieved.
There's so many interesting angles on this story. I think
the most interesting angle now, Greg, is the future of
Chuck Schumer. Is Chuck done?

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think he is.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
I do.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I think he's finished.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah. I'm a as a caucus leader. Were you a
cocass leader? Yes, you were.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, I was in the leadership. So I was never
the majority leader, but I was the majority whip. And
then then I was the Speaker of the House, but
so I was. I wasn't the majority leader of the caucus,
but I was one of the caucus leaders. So I
would be like a Dick Durbin, who think one of
the leaders. As a caucage leader, is it your job
to keep everybody in line. That's that's one way to
put it.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Because because no one ever got away from Nancy.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
People have different leadership styles in the legislature. Some like
to give out sheet music and have everyone sing from it, okay,
and there's rewards for that, and there's penalties for not
not singing as you know, you know, in tune and
as asked. There's other leadership styles where you as a
leader are trying to find that consensus that's just generating
from a robust debate within your caucus. I know that

(29:27):
sounds Pollyanna, but I'm I'm telling you I've lived it,
and there is a way to do that where your
caucus position is one where you've had a battle of
ideas within your caucus and you're trying to find that
common ground, knowing that perfect can't be the enemy of good,
and it's just statistically impossible for every single person to
agree on every single thing the exact same way we're
to all human beings, So we're not going to agree.
You're not going to agree with your spouse on everything.

(29:48):
There's just there's just and people don't represent the same districts.
Even in Utah, your district, world district, urban districts. So
the whole effort is to find what is better than
the status quo, the most common ground you can find,
so the most conservative or most you know, the most
the policy you can promote that has the votes. Well,
if you don't have the votes, then go write books
and get speeches.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
You want to come out of a caucus with United Front?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Right? So what happened to Chuck?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
He can't do it?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, so he couldn't hold them together? Good?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
No, I mean, if that man was left to his
own devices, he wouldn't even have shut down the government
over any of this because he'd been there so long
he knows that that's not reasonable, That this kind of brinkmanship,
in this kind of extortion are things that he probably
still remembers how much he railed against when Republicans didn't
want to get sixty votes to continue a reckless budget,
and he'd been very critical of it, and so it's

(30:37):
not something I think he would have done on his own.
But he's filling the aocs and the younglings nipping at
his heels. There is a much more socialist communists side
of the Democrat Party that is aggressive and they want
to fight and they want to be and they want conflict,
and they think that's the way to win over America

(30:57):
or to control America is through violence or through confed
And so he's trying to make it. He's trying to
make that cockus happy and he makes no the way
he's going about it, I don't think he's making anyone happy.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, the interesting thing about this, what is eight senators
who stepped up and voted with the Republicans right. Interesting
note none of these senators are up for reelection next year. Yeah, okay,
several of them. Two of them Durbin is it Collins?
One of them are retiring, so they are coming back anyways.
So they really didn't care. I mean, they said we've

(31:31):
had it. And Jim Garretty and I mentioned this during
our show call this morning. Jim Garretty at the National
Review Online broke it down and said, look, none of
these members, be it in the House or the Senate,
use the SNAP program. Okay, so well, people were complaining
and they're out there singing the sad stories and there
are some out there legitimately, so they weren't really impacted

(31:53):
by SNAP. But they do travel, correct, and they do fly,
and they like to go home and read it.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Internatation was canceling flights handover.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
FIF left and right that, and it was slowly building.
It started off kind of light last week, but today,
whoa the numbers of cancelations amazing. And I think the
Senators read that and said, you know what, We've got
to stop this.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
And I want to contrast something so back in twenty thirteen,
when the Republicans were the ones that were holding out
and didn't want and we're shutting down the government because
of the budget that was going forward that they didn't want,
they wanted to see changed. Biden or Obama was not
only critical of the tactic and saying that this is
you can't take hostages. You know, if you don't have

(32:37):
the votes to get something passed, you don't. You don't
threaten the government, you know, shutting down an entire government
until you get your way. And he had a lot
to say there. But the other thing he did by
way of tactics was he made everything draconian. On day one,
he shut down all the airlines, he shut down the
national parks. He made America feel the pain that we
were starting to begin to feel now, whereas President Trump

(32:58):
and the Republican Congress was trying to find a runway
here where they could use some funds. They could, they
could hold some things over, they could delay ask you know,
these air traffic controllers to work with a promise to pay,
trying to hold on to see if negotiate, if the
Democrats would come to their right mind and prevent it.
We are in the longest shutdown of the federal government

(33:21):
in history because they fundamentally were not going to do it,
and so their delay of all these consequences as those
start to finally set in, I think that played a
major role in at least eight Democrats of the Senate
in the Democrats in the Senate deciding that we can't
do this to the country. We can't do this. In fact,
I have a clip from you know, he's a member

(33:41):
of their Senate leadership, Durban, Dick Durbin, and he explains
why he does he could. He was supporting opening up
the government again. Let's have a listen.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Plugging that helps.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah you ready, Yeah, We're ready.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
Many of my friends are unhappy. They think we should
have our government closed indefinitely to protest the policies of
the Trump administration. I share their opinions of this administration,
but cannot accept a strategy which wages political battle at
the expense of my neighbor's paycheck or the food for
his children. Mister President of the Floor.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Dick Durbin makes a lot of sense, doesn't Now he's
one of the ones who's retiring, by the way, so
he can say.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
That, well, you know the statement, If I can't accept
the strategy which wages political battle at the expense of
my neighbor's paycheck and the food for his children, that
is the leverage that the Democrats want. They want it
to be the people's paychecks, and they want it to
be food for their children, and they are willing to
They themselves are vault. They are the ones willing to

(34:45):
inflict that for more political power. Yeah, and I think
that I worry that the American people, not our listening audience,
you get it, but the American people broadly. I wonder
if they understand how diabolical the Democrats are willing to be.
This is why the filibuster isn't what it used to
be when it's used to try and pass legislation or

(35:06):
pass spending that they don't have the majorities in the House, Senate,
we're in the White House to do, but they're going
to shut They're going to use this option where they
shut everything down to inflict the most and maximum pain
on the American people to put to pass policy or
to spend money. That is not what a filibuster was
ever meant for. It was it just fundamentally wasn't. It
was actually supposed to be a temperance. It was supposed

(35:27):
to be a calming where you know, you're not just
government's policies. Don't like a pendulum swing wildly every two years.
It was supposed to bring some stability there. The Democrats
are using that that filibuster for the most raconian purpose.

Speaker 11 (35:41):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, and the fact that, as you pointed out of
a second ago, Donald Trump and hit the administration did
everything they could to kind of cushion the blow from
a shutdown. Yes, you know they did. Obama didn't care
shut the darn thing down. Everybody hurt and adore.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And they had a complicit media that would that would
explain that everything you're feeling is the fault of the Republicans.
You're not getting the media describing it that way. When
the shoes on the other foot.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Well complicit media. I think today's media tried to hide
the Democrats again, I really do. Yeah, they did. They
tried to put the blame on their Republicans as much
as they possibly could.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, and you could just see how sad they were.
They themselves wanted the government to stay shut down and
to see people suffer. They thought it was going to
do well for the politics that they their worldview.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Now, when we come back, Greg and I are going
to talk about some opportunities that this shutdown presents the
Republican Party. We'll get into that. That's coming up right
here on the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine cannors live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. Make sure you download it today. You can
leave us a message on our talkback line as well.
We're waiting for a Senate vote to get that done,

(36:45):
and then it will go to the House. Mike Johnson
has called members of the House back to Washington for
a vote. We could get one either late Wednesday or
maybe Thursday, and then, of course, hopefully if the votes
go the way we think they will, now the shutdown
will be over. But Greg, as we were talking earlier,
I think this shutdown. You know, we can debate the

(37:06):
marriage of it and the question what was it for?
But coming out of this, there are two things that
we have discovered. And we knew some of this going in.
But first of all, Greg, Obamacare is an absolute mess.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh it's a failure, and we all knew it was,
but I didn't know probably to the extent of how
bad it was until the shutdown happened.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
And the SNAP program is a disaster. I mean, just
listen to this one figure I saw on this, Greg,
Let's see, where was it a poll? Where was this
I saw?

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Here it is right here. Federal spending. Get this, Greg,
federal spending and to our listeners as well, federal spending
on food stamps. Don'tut. Snap sword from seventeen billion dollars
twenty five years ago, okay to now one hundred billion
dollars last year. So from seventeen billion to one hundred

(37:59):
billion dollars last year. So the question is how did
so many Americans come to rely on Washington for their
next meal?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah? I I it is. You know, it's unsustainable, and
when you know that we're trillions in debt, I just
I just think it's it's a very dangerous path we're on.
And I think that the government shut down gives us
it's a sobering moment to look at what what is
the role of government, what do we expect it to do,
what can we actually afford to and what should we

(38:27):
the government get out of the way and stop doing.
And I'm telling you there's a lot in this budget
right now that's continuing resolution that needs to not only
should we not continue to fund it at the levels
of Democrats are trying to extort us into doing. We
got to pair it back. Yeah, it's it's it's I mean,
there's nothing affordable about this healthcare. There's nothing that's good
that's come from it. It's unsustainable. You can't take We

(38:48):
need this pandemic emergency funds forever otherwise it won't work.
It's I thought. Scott Jennings shared what he thought that
the yeah, and I have that ready. What he what
he thought that the shutdown had exposed about Obamacare. Let's
have a listen.

Speaker 6 (39:04):
The whole thing has exposed this outlandish money laundering scheme
where your tax dollars go right into insurance companies and
your health insurance never gets better. Your health care never
gets better, Your health outcomes never get better. That's what
we have exposed here. So what our responsibility is as
a Republican Party, how do we stop getting your tax
money to insurance companies and how do we put more

(39:26):
actual money into the health care of the American people.
Because I can assure you writing a bunch of checks
to insurance companies doesn't make your health care any better.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Here's what I think needs to be done.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I think the Republican Party, I don't know if it's
Mike Johnson, John Thune, President Trump, whoever, yeah, needs to
come to the needs to go before the American people
now and say this shutdown has exposed two issues in
this country that we think need to be addressed and
will lower cost. First of all, Obamacare. We have told
the Democrats we'll have a vote on it. Vote doesn't matter.
What we've got to do is fix it, and there's

(39:58):
got to be a discussion started. You know who leads
the discussion, but somebody needs to pick that up. The
other one is Snap. We have seen the fraud and
abuse of Snap and we need to address that. And
I think the Democrats could get win a lot of
points if they come to the American people say this
what we recognize. We are now working on a plan,

(40:18):
and we will have a plan before you by mid
next year. You know, if you do, you've got to
do it. That's a great opportunity.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
If you look at if you look at Bill Clinton
when he ran for office, when he was president, when
you look at in his comments about securing the border
or making sure that benefits were for Americans, hard working Americans,
the middle class, the working class. If you look at
Hillary Clinton when she ran for the US Senate in
New York, which she was saying to the working class
people of New York State, and then what she said

(40:48):
when she ran even for president, it was all about
a secure border. It was all about making sure that
those that weren't entitled were here illegally did not access
our social safety net of snap or of of health care.
It was. It was a very different Democrat party back then.
And I'm going to tell you that if there's anybody
in the on the Democrat side, and there's at least

(41:09):
eight of them that looks like they're making adult like votes,
they've got it. We got to focus right back on
the people of this country because they're getting. They are
they're being victimized by the highest prices for health insurance
under a under the banner of Affordable Care Act that
betrays its acronym, it betrays its name. It's not real,

(41:30):
it's not sustainable, and none of what the Democrats are
trying to do today does anything to address any of
that for everyday people. And tell me, how does how
do the loans on the left, the leftists, the elitists,
the people that are celebrating this Luigi guy that murdered
this healthcare this health care executive, how do they do
that in one breath and then want to extend Obamacare

(41:51):
and ACA to the pockets of health care companies. They
they don't even know what they want. They're so all
over the place. It's it's bizarre. It's the party is
with no rudder. It's not that they're rudders, not very
deep in the water. They're a drift. They don't know
what they're All they want to do is destroy.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, Mike, Mike, Mike Johnson, John Thune, Donald Trump, do
not pick it up business as usual because the shutdown
probably be over by Thursday. Take this as a message.
We can do something. We can convince the American people
we understand their outrage. On We'll get the planes flying again.
That's the most important thing right now. We'll get the
federal employees taken care of. But you've got to look

(42:31):
to the future. And I think that these are winning
opportunities they cannot miss.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I think it's that important. All right, We've got more
to come. Your phone calls on this as well. Eight
D eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty or leave us
a message on our talk back line. Your thoughts on
the shutdown. It appears it's almost over, and we'll take
your calls and comment. It's coming up on the Roden
greg Show.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
We're learning, probably more now than ever before, that Obamacare
Affordable Care Act is dead. It doesn't work, no, everything
is more expensive, and there's no relief in sight. So
that's the state of things right now. But what say you, folks.
We want to hear from you, our callers. What are
your observations as we come into this week with what
looks like in agreement to finally shut the longest shutdown

(43:13):
of the federal government ever. What do you think about it?

Speaker 4 (43:16):
All?

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Let's go to Kyle who's on I fifteen. Kyle, thank
you for holding and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 10 (43:24):
Well, thank you so much for taking my call.

Speaker 7 (43:26):
I always love listening to you.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Thanks.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
My comment is is on the on the Snap program
and I know somebody who's on the Snap program and
they can only you know, maybe look at for a
job and they find job. All that's full time. I
can't take that. If I make too much money, then
they'll put my Snap program off or my call or

(43:51):
my vouchers for my apartments where governments were paying part
of the harbor of the apartment rant.

Speaker 8 (44:00):
And that just is backwards to me.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
Yeah, yeah, Kyle, thank you, because I I don't don't
let it. I don't even know what to say to
him about that. Yeah, in my opinion, there should be
some provisions that you're going beyond for so long and
in that time, you got to find a job.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Now.

Speaker 7 (44:17):
I get that that there are people out there that
are maybe disabled or whatever the.

Speaker 8 (44:21):
Need to have this, but I think a lot of
it is just abuse.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Yeah, Well, Kyle, when I hear that, it drives me nus. Greg.
I can't make too much money or I'll lose my
government's uh support programs.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Well, there's really two things that are going on there.
First off, if you're able bodied, now, if you're handicapped,
I think, and I think Cayle pointed this out social
safety net for the elderly. The children. Children didn't pick
their life. Elderly people are old, their their their life
choices have been made. If you're a handicapped, if you're
disabled in some way physically mentally, there's a we should
have it. We're a civilized society. We should have ways

(44:57):
of helping people. If you're able bodied. This is the
United States of America, and this is a place where
you can make it on your own. I'm not a
trust fund baby, I'm the very opposite of and I'm
paying my bills and I'm not asking the government to
take care of me. Now, I will say that if
you get into the trap of receiving these benefits, I've
seen where it becomes a disincentive to work because the

(45:20):
amount of money you would receive in a job would
not amount to the amount that you're receiving by way
of assistance, and it becomes a perverse incentive to not work.
And I sometimes worry that that the Democrats and leftists
want that they want you to be dependent on them.
I don't want you to work and be self determining.
They want you just to be dependent on them and

(45:40):
whatever they tell you and whatever they give you.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
That's the whole idea of the Democratic Party. We more
create this massive welfare state, which I think we're pretty
close to do it now by the sounds of it,
and they become dependent on the government. That's right, And
only a few people control the government, so they have
the power they want.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Necessity is the mother of invention. I'll tell you what.
Sometimes I did the best under duress, Okay, under the
scariest of circumstances, is when I pulled my act together
and worked the hardest. So I think it's what you do.
It's kind of the way of life.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
All right, Let's go back to the phones. Let's go
to Sarah Houston here from Robin Tonight here on the
Rod and Great Show. Robin, thank you so much for
joining us.

Speaker 12 (46:17):
Hi, thank you for taking my call. I just wanted
to talk about the at Obamacare business. My husband and
I had to use it some years back because we
both have were unemployed at the time and we use
it for about seven and a half eight months, and
we got a bill at tax time we had to
pay back the entire amount, which was sixty six hundred dollars. Yeah,
it is a horrible, horrible thing. And I spent two

(46:41):
days crying because I was figuring out how are we
going to pay this?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
So, yeah, it was bad, Robin. So you you weren't terrible.
You weren't taxed one the benefit. You actually had to
pay the whole benefit back. Is that right?

Speaker 12 (46:54):
Yes, yes, we had to pay the full amount back.
We ended up having to take out a loan in
order to pay them back so we wouldn't have more penalties.

Speaker 7 (47:05):
Dollars.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Thank you for that input. And I think that's why
I love to listen have our listeners call in, because
I think we get perspective you're certainly not getting in
the regime media you're not getting from this. You know,
these platitudes and thirty thousand feet above the ground. I
don't know anyone who's gone into the exchange or has
used Obamacare and seen anything that's been affordable. It seems
like I think rates they say since Obamacare passed have

(47:27):
gone up eighty percent. Now people say, well, it would
have gone up anyway. I'm well, then why did you
need it? You don't need you don't need the ACA,
you don't need this so called Affordable Care Act for
everything to not be affordable. And here's the other problem
I have, Just as Robin described, she had this terrible bills.
She had to take a loan there, she and her
husband take a loan to pay because they lied to
her and said, here's some health insurance and they said, sorry,

(47:49):
we want our money back. And you don't know that's coming.
So many people don't get on the exchange and have
to pay these insane premiums with these massive deductible before
their insurance even kicks in. And that's the state of
health care delivery in America today that these democrats aren't
talking about any of those things. They're not talking about
the relief for the everyday people and the cost of

(48:11):
health insurance that we're all going through. And I do
have a jaundice die when it comes to health insurance,
health insurance and how it's working. When you get the
third party government paying for everything, prices go up and
we don't know where how water gets the end of
the row. And I think we all end up paying
much much more.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Remember it was Team Obama that canceled the work requirement
Team Obama and basically doubled the number of able bodied
Americans who were receiving yeah stamp. He doubled it. Back
to the phones we go. Let's go to Will in
Taylorsville tonight.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Will.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
How are you welcome to the Rod and Grade Show.

Speaker 10 (48:46):
I'm good, Thanks for taking my call. I read an
interesting opinion piece this morning that talked about how the
Democrats defecting basically to fund the government and it could
be a possible long term play the force undersirable options

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into the char Act when it gets discussed later, will
force the Republicans to vote no on it, which then
be used to harm the Republicans in the upcoming midterms
next year.

Speaker 8 (49:18):
And I just want to get your opinion on that.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
What was who wrote the article? Where did you find it?

Speaker 7 (49:23):
Will believe it or not?

Speaker 10 (49:27):
Actually on Facebook? And I don't remember the name of it,
but again it's Facebook and you tell you that. But
it was just an interesting opinion. That's why I called
it an opinion because I couldn't find a source for it.
But I just thought it was an interesting possibility that
depending on what's put into what the Democrats want in
the Affordable Care Act discussions and may make it unpalatable

(49:50):
to Republicans.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
So they're going to load it up, make it even worse,
and then have the Republicans rejected. Is that what your is?
That your take from it?

Speaker 10 (49:57):
Will that's my take it, which would then force the
Republics beyond a record as voting against the Affordable Care Act,
which will then be used to get them in the midterms.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
You know, well, I think it's a great observation, and
this is where I think that the policymakers again drawing
back to you know, Utah is a smaller pond than
the federal government. But we used to pay our bills
and balance the budget. We didn't, you know, deficit spend.
But I don't think you can be a party or
a caucus of no. I think you have to do
more than just say no. Now Democrats have gotten away
with this for years, where all they have to say

(50:28):
to Republicans is no. They don't have to build or
have any alternative other than to recklessly spend. But I
do think it's incumbent on the Republicans to avoid what
will was describing they have to have some reform, and
you were mentioning it on the show. They have to
have some reform that makes some sense that brings relief
to the everyday people. And I'm talking healthcare is one
of them. But we haven't even got into the cost

(50:49):
of living right now and the cost of groceries and
the costs that we're all feeling right now. Fedgs lowering rates.
Are you seeing credit cards's going down?

Speaker 4 (50:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Are you seeing the relief that comes every time the
rate the fedg raves the rate. Everything goes up, your
car loans go up, your credit cards go up, everything
goes up. When they cut rates. I see nothing. Maybe
it's anecdotal, but I don't believe it's happening. So I
think the Republicans have to have some proactive strategies right
to make their case to the American people or they're
going to get painted into a corner where they're just

(51:18):
the BA humbug because they want to vote in December
on an Obamacare ACA bill and they want to paint
the Republicans is not caring about everyday people.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
You come out of the holidays, you go to the
American people. I have a plan on Obamacare. We have
a plan on step Here's what it is. That's what
needs to happen. All right, more are your Colson comments
coming up right here on the Rod and Greg show
in Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine k n
R S. You go to Smithfield and here from Aaron tonight. Aaron,
your thoughts on this.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Good evening, gentlemen. I just I can't believe that our
population is as ignorant as it is when it all
complains about affordability. So affordabi. The affordability is not paying
a trillion dollars in interest. Affordability is in printing seven

(52:09):
trillion dollars in money and creating inflation. So oh, I
want money. I want things to go down and cost
So as Milton Friedman says, government creates inflation, Ronald Reagan said,
it's the cruelest act on people. So we want and
the Liberals and all those people that vote for MNDAMI, well,

(52:32):
we want everything for free because things cost too much,
we can't afford it. So we want the government to
print another one and a half trillion dollars and that's
going to make things more affordable. I need somebody to
explain that today, I.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Think it's you're exactly right. Let's go to Corey who
is on I fifteen, thank you for holding. Welcome to
the run and Greg show.

Speaker 13 (53:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
I just thinking about the air traffic controllers that are
that are refusing to work, and I was affected by
a flight that was canceled, and I just feel like,
if you're an air back traffic controller and you're receiving
a paycheck that's funded by taxes, that you have an
obligation to to do your duty and do your your
your work and and show up for public safety, to

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continue on with what you're supposed to do. These purlows
don't last forever. You're gonna get back paid. And if
you're not showing up, are we still paying their back
paid salary? I don't know what are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, we are paying their back paid salary, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Cory's not far off. I mean, that's why Reagan fired
all the air trafficers when they when they went and
struck and they want to strike way back when he
just said, Okay, then you guys can stay away and
we're gonna go get new ones. But he's not wrong.
Now what what Trump's talking about doing is maybe given
a two thousand dollars bonus to those that actually cut
it out and did do that job. Because it's not
across the board. You have some that are doing as

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Corey says, and they they won't come in. They're not
getting others are making it happen, knowing knowing the mannal
responsibility they have, maybe the maybe it's the carrot not
the stick, and the reward. We'll keep people thinking about
those things and get them to keep them at work.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, all right, We've we've got to take a break.
We'll hopefully maybe hear more from you in the coming
Now we're coming up Worl'll talk about a couple of
important rulings today out of the Supreme Court greg. One
of them had to deal with same sex marriage, and
the Court said we're going to consider so the it
was a long shot to begin with, Yeah, to get
the issue before the Supreme Court, and the Court said
not today, but they did make They did decide to

(54:34):
hear a case on mail in balloting and should the
vote be counted if it comes in after the vote
is over.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yeah, I'm actually agnostic on what they decided, so long
as whatever they decide doesn't force us to wait. They say,
you have to wait after the after the want to wait.
I don't want to I don't want to have I
want states to decide that.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
All right, we'll talk more about the court coming up next.
Now we're number three at the Ride and.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Greg Show is on its Well, look, if you listen
to the show, if you miss any portion, you can
always go back to the podcast podcasts a little abbreviated
quicker to listen to. But you don't want to miss
the show. No, every hour's got truth bombs.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, And also on our X page and it's rowden
Greg Show Era puts a link to the articles that
we use to discuss during the day and talk about
our guests and issues before again, so you can check
that out as well. Now, the Supreme Court today a
couple of rulings from the Supreme Court today or consideration.
First of all, this was kind of a stretch, but

(55:38):
they said, no, they're not going to reconsider the decision
making same sex marriage in this country legal, but they
are going to take a look at a case Greg
involving mail in balloting and late mail in balloting, if
in fact it can be counted. I know you're very
You're very attuned to election balloting and what goes on.
So that's the case you're interested.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I am, and sojoining us doctor John Eastman, he's a
senior fellow at Claremont Institute. Thank you for joining us
on the program. Tell us what tell us about this case?
Here's without knowing a thing about it. I don't want
the Supreme Court giving someone some constitutional right to have
ballots counted for two to three weeks after election day
is over. Please tell me that's not the decision point here.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
Yeah, I think the decision point is the opposite. I
think you know, they've upheld early voting because the theory
that the votes are just simply cast early, but they're
counted on election day. But the Constitution requires that you
have an election day, and so ballot's coming in after

(56:41):
election day and getting to be counted are a real problem.
And I think they've taken this case to say, look,
you know, time stops at the close of polls on
election day. You don't get to, you know, pull a
box fifty one like Lynnon Johnson did, and go find
the box you need to get the votes over after
the election's over. Election day means election day and it ends.

(57:02):
I think that's what they took.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
This case up to decide. Name end of that doctor eatsman. Now,
you wrote about the Supreme Court the term it could
be consequential. Talk about that a little bit. Why you
think this is such an important term.

Speaker 7 (57:15):
Well, we've got Look, I've been I've been running a
public interest law firm for a quarter century, and we
had a lot of things on our long term goal list.
One of the most important is restoring the notion of
separation of powers. You know, Article one. The legislature is
the body that legislates, not the courts are not you know,

(57:36):
unelected agencies in the executive branch. And that all changed
in the nineteen thirties with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, and
you get all these agencies that are not accountable to anybody,
not accountable to the president, not accountable to the courts.
And we've been pushing back against that as a violation

(57:57):
of the Constitution. Well, the Supreme Court last summer, when
they took up one of these cases that dealt with
the firing of these independent agencies heads, they said, please,
we want you to brief the question of whether our
old Supreme Court decision called Humphreys Executor that authorized all

(58:18):
these independent deep state agencies, whether that should be overruled. Now,
that's a pretty important statement, and they've got a couple
of cases up there where they're going to consider that question.
I think it may be one of the most far
reaching and important cases of the term. And there's a
lot of other stuff going on as well. But if
you say you can't create agencies that are independent of

(58:39):
any oversight by the guy we elect to head the
executive branch, the president, and you get rid of that,
and we're going to restore a lot of accountability to
the American people through their elected president, I think it's huge.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
So let me ask you this. One of the worries
about counting ballots so many days or receiving ballots so
many days after the election day, is that your chain
of custody is in question. You're you're the transparency of
an election. Watching you know, you used to have ballot
count people that watched you count the ballots. We're distancing
people from the process of counting ballots. We don't know

(59:14):
the chain of custody. In Utah, we have mass mailing
unsolicited mailing of ballots out everywhere, and so will that
be a factor do you think in the in the
Supreme Court's considerations in terms of the importance of a
chain of custody or those details going to matter? Because
those details, I think are are big gaps we have
in the United States in terms of how voter fraud
can occur.

Speaker 7 (59:35):
Well, and I hope there will be a Meekus brief
of people really explaining those gaps, just because I've not
had a chance to look at the at the record
in the court below. But look, you know, when you
when you do a mass mailing of ballots and they
go to an apartment complex with you know, fifty apartments
in it, the mailman often just leaves stuff stacked fifty

(01:00:00):
on the table in the mail room. So yeah, in
the in the in the in the mailbox room, and
and you know, and then immediately following the mail delivery,
are are hucksters who are going and picking up those
ballots because there are there are fraudsters that are paying
them ten dollars a ballot, And I think, I think
if that's not part of the record already, there needs

(01:00:22):
to be a Meekas brief documenting that that's what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
And you look, I mean, you know, the.

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
Whole notion of the lack of custody on mail out ballots.
I mean, you don't know who's who's filling those in.
You don't because they're not doing any accurate signature verification
when they come back in. And even if they are,
you don't know when it's going to a nursing home,
whether somebody is in a memory care wing being, you know,
said here filling the box. Here, this is our game

(01:00:50):
for the day, and uh, you just have no idea.
We so we saw this in Wisconsin when the Secretary
of State prohibited, uh, the bipartisan teams that were supposed
to go in the nursing homes. So make sure that
didn't happen. And then and then thousands of ballots come
in in the same handwriting and so so this is

(01:01:10):
a huge problem for election integrity, and I think that's
why the court decided to take it up. And also,
you know, other cases like a case called Boat versus Illinois,
Uh State Board of Elections, they're they're they're trying to
say that even candidates don't have standing to challenge illegality
in the state election laws. You know, So I think

(01:01:30):
I think we're gonna get very some very important rulings
on the election integrity.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Front from this court as well. Talk Jason, you've been
a court watcher for a long time. A lot of
your life is the Court getting frustrated being asked constantly
to consider cases made and rulings made by rogue judges
on anything Donald Trump is trying to do. Is that
frustrating for the High Court?

Speaker 7 (01:01:57):
I think, you know, they they didn't want to deal
with it for a long time, but the rulings have
gotten so aggressive and so outrageous. It's like these and
they're being forum shopped, yes, these cases. Look when California
or New Jersey brings a case in Boston instead of
in New Jersey or California, you know something's going on.

(01:02:20):
And why were they doing that? Because there are eleven
judges on that Boston court, all eleven of them were
appointed by Democrats. There are six judges on the First
Circuit Court of Appeals and until last week there was
one vacancy and the other five were all appointed by Democrats.
So it was a clear path to getting basically a
guaranteed injunction against anything President Trump wanted to do. That

(01:02:43):
kind of forum shopping destroys any notion of equal and
fair application of the law. And so the reason we're
getting so many of these cases up on the Supreme
Court's emergency docket is this kind of foreign shopped. There
are judges that appear to me to be not a
faithfully applying the law, but pursuing in the agenda for
which they were put on the court in the first place.

(01:03:06):
And that this is a terrible state of affairs in
our judiciary. And I think the Supreme Court, you know,
kind of gave them some rope to clean up their act,
and when they didn't, they started taking these cases and
blocking these nationwide injunctions. But even then you get some
of the like this judge Brian Up in Massachusetts, he

(01:03:28):
issued an order blocking President Trump from from deporting people
to third countries when their home countries refused to take them.
He issued that, and then about two weeks later he
issued an order further enforcing that injunction. The Supreme Court
issued a stay of his injunction, and within an hour

(01:03:48):
he had said, well, they stayed my injunction, but they
didn't stay my enforcement order enforcing that injunction, so that's
still in effect. I mean, it was an unbelievable abuse
of what the Supreme Court is ordered. And so I
think they are getting increasingly frustrated, and I think we're
going to see them, unfortunately having to take more and
more of these cases on what they call the emergency docket.

(01:04:11):
I call it the anti Trump, you know, the anti
Trump docket. And we got to fix this because last
sight checked, Trump was the guy we elected to head
the executive branch. That means he's in charge of law
enforcement decisions, he's in charge of foreign policy, he's in
charge of you know, calling up troops when necessary to

(01:04:31):
protect American federal property. And these district judges don't don't
have any authority to counterdeck these decisions. He is the
head of the executive department.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Is making yeah interesting, Doctor Easman, always great having you
on the show. Thank you very much for joining us.

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
Tonight, Ron Greg, thanks very much. It's always a pleasure,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
For your work, Doctor John Eastman, a senior fellow there
at the Claremont Institute. We have a cage like that
here in the state of Utah. We got a rogue
judge who think she can determine the district bound.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
And hearing this, you say that tomorrow is the announced.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
There are indications that could come down tomorrow because the
Better Boundaries of Utah are going to hold a press
conference to react to the ruling.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
How do you like this? They knew, they knew the
judge was going to make a ruling before any of
us knew, and so they said, we're going to hold
off our press conference because there's going to be a
judicial ruling. We didn't know that. Public press didn't know that.
They knew that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Well, that's because she called them and said, what do
you think of your map? I think your map's great.
Let's go with that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Well, the in fact we got a judge picking maps
instead of our duly elected state legislature is a huge problem.
And I hope we see this question revisited on the
bat state wide ballot in twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Yeah, me too. All right, more coming up. It is
the Rod and Greg Show with you on this Monday
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS.
Today some of the abuses taking place in the SNAP
program and then in medicaid as well. Greg just read
some where we were during the break some amazing numbers
on what is going on. But I want to share
this sound by before we get to those greg. This

(01:05:57):
is Ashley Allison. She was on CNN and she said, uh,
Snap is having a massive impact. After she went to
her eyebrow.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
Technician, this is having massive impact. I went and got
my eyebrows done the other day and my eyebrow technician
was like, they're going to fire two technicians from here
because all of our clients don't have money to come.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
She's not on Snap, so her clients are STAP recipients
and they can't come to have their eyebrows taken care
of because the Snap money is not there.

Speaker 8 (01:06:33):
You think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Problem, is there a connection between eyebrows and the foujiat? No,
it's a It's a gross abuse of the money and
the purpose of it all. I look, it's a reminder
to us all that if you if you went back
in time and you looked at why there why medicaid
was even creative. Forget Medicaid expansion. Let's go upstream to
sixty years ago. Why was Medicaid expansion created? It was

(01:06:56):
created to help the elderly, to help children, and yes,
it was meant to help. It was children, seniors, pregnant women,
and disabled individuals living in poverty. That's why Medicaid was created.
Obamacare expansion, Medicaid expansion said, we think that able bodied
young people who aren't working should be accounted for too.

(01:07:18):
We think they should have free health care or have Medicaid. Well,
here's the reality is this person talks about the eyebrow
treatments she's not able to get because Snap isn't paying
people's bills. Able bodied Americans make up most of the
Medicaid expense. Now a trillion dollars was spent last year
seventy percent. Most of that money has spent on those

(01:07:42):
that are that are able body and able to work,
but or not. So let me just think of three
people this and this will be. Think of three types
of individuals physically most physically disabled person you've ever met.
Think of who that is if you've ever met someone
like that. Think of also an impoverished elderly grandmother, was
of your dementia that's in a nursing home. And then
think of anable body twenty something man who chooses not

(01:08:05):
to work. The Medicaid program. For every dollar a state
spends on Medicaid. It will for that twenty something man
who's able bodied but doesn't want to work, the government,
federal government will match nine dollars to that one dollar
that the state spends. But for the severely disabled, for
the frayra for the grandmother with dementia, they'll spend the

(01:08:25):
state spends a dollar, and the federal government will spend
a dollar thirty cents, not nine dollars a dollar thirty cents.
That means that we have people that are on waiting lists,
that are that are disabled, unable to take care of themselves,
that are unable to get care. Well, if you are
in the Medicaid expansion category, you can get you can
get Obamacare anytime you want. So the people that are

(01:08:46):
in most needy are the ones that are on a
waiting list, unable to get paid. And they pay your
buck thirty for the state's dollar. And if you're on
a if you're an able bodied adult, it doesn't work.
You're you're at a state pays a dollar. They Federal
garment page nine, and they're crying about their eyebrow treatments
aren't able to be done. I'm telling you this, this
program is so upside down. On it's ear. It needs

(01:09:09):
to be completely revamped and revisited.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
And Republicans don't go back to business as usual. Do
something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Yep. Help people that are in need, do the right
thing for do right by people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
All Right, more coming up in the final half hour,
they're Rod and Greg Show with you right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, andrs, those
of you who don't listen to the show on a
regular basis, we have a show call every morning at
about eight thirty. Yes, huge is awake and and we
sit down and discuss, you know, stories that we find interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
And I can tell you, folks, I'm just going to
tell you the front Rosie. I'm just going to tell
you there's two things that get rodarc at at eight
thirty am as a giddy as a teenage girl. It's
Taylor Swift and it's col farts. Okay, those two. I mean,
he just he thought this headline, I love the cows. Yeah,
the flatulence of cows and how it's being stopped but
it might be being stopped. The detriment of the cow's

(01:10:01):
own life was really the headliner. We should have done
three hours of this well, we're talking of the cows, man,
I mean, think of these poor cows. You're a swiftye
and you really are worried about these cows. Two things.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Well, joining us on our newsmaker line to shed some light,
so to speak, on what's going on in Deadmark is
Leslie Eastman. She is a writer with Legal Insurrection. Leslie,
how are you? And welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 13 (01:10:25):
Thanks for joining us, Leslie, Well, thank you both riding
Greg for that wonderful humble peek.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
We love it, love it, Leslie. I saw the headline
in this story today and I said, what are the
people in Denmark doing to these poor cows? What are
they doing to them? Lesson?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
But you are a truth teller. This is maybe an
uncomfortable topic, but you go right into it. You let
everybody know what's going on. So thank you for doing
for joining us.

Speaker 13 (01:10:53):
Yeah, yeah, I have to admit when I started the analysis,
it started out a more scientific, but I pondered the
issue that they were really going with this medicine on
that stopping the methane release to farting. Well, of course
dead cows can't fart, so maybe.

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
The feed was actually working the way it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Was intended, leslie, what are they giving these cows and
hoping that they won't pass gas as much?

Speaker 13 (01:11:23):
Well, it's the mixture, and the mixture is called boat beauvaire,
and it contains an ingredient that it was known as
three N O P and that ingredient actually is intended
to stop the production of methane during the digestion process.

Speaker 7 (01:11:44):
For the cow.

Speaker 13 (01:11:46):
And as I wrote it in my initial piece about
a year ago discussing the beauvaire, I was really concerned
because the biogenic carbon cycle is a finally cycle where
the cows release the carbon back into the atmosphere, but
they carbon comes back into the grass that they eat,

(01:12:08):
and it's a twelve year cycle that's worked wonderfully. Carbon
dioxide is not a toxic gas party it's a life
essential gas necessary for our plants. And so this is
very very concerning. And then of course methane is not
actually in a significant hazard to the climate either. This

(01:12:29):
is awful, and they've the Danes decided their green bureaucrats
decided they were going to force the farmers to put
this in the feet and it just started October first,
and this is now the mid November and all of
a sudden, cows are keeling over with the fever, diarrhea, miscarriages,

(01:12:52):
drop some milk production, and some of them are so
badly impacted they had to be euthanized. So we can laugh,
but there is real hardship for the Danish farmers. Now
I have breaking news for you, and I got it
just a couple of minutes ago in preparation for the show.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Oh good.

Speaker 13 (01:13:09):
Apparently the green the Danes the regulators have given the
farmers a green light to opt out of this program
if they suspect it's posing risks to their herds. Now
I would lay in money. I think the Danish farmers
are going to opt out because I cannot believe they

(01:13:33):
would do anything that jeopardizes their health. And besides, there
is no logical reason for this to have ever occurred
in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah, thank you so much for that. And it is
breaking news that Denmark is at least letting them opped out,
which means what they're saying is they're going to stop
doing it entirely because no one wants to see their
their their cattle die. Here's kind of a dark question,
but what is that part of the plan is it
to limit our food supply?

Speaker 11 (01:13:59):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Was it always not about climate, but about control and
how much of food we might have available? Could that
be the motive behind.

Speaker 13 (01:14:07):
This before the air of COVID I might have put
that as a conspiracy theory, But you have to consider
all the potential possibilities nowadays of elite globalist bureaucrats and
their anti human agenda and reductions and food supply you know,

(01:14:29):
goes right along with that. Yeah, so or it's just
another case of technology or promises about medicines not living
up to the hype that the respected scientists and experts
were presenting, but rather having adverse consequences that were not

(01:14:49):
fully realized, normfully fleshed out or even considered when they
started to mandate the use of in this case bove Or.
But of course I'm confer back the COVID vaccine as well.
So it is it is very troublesome. Happy to see
the Danes back and out of this. I believe the

(01:15:09):
UK has stopped their testing program to begin with, and
it is another failure that has cost farmers valuable, cattle
valuable and is really another you know, chalk up and
another green failure.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yeah, yeah, Leslie, has there ever been a credible scientific
study on the impact that cows and methane caused the
environment and blaming these poor cows?

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
I must admit I am not aware of one.

Speaker 13 (01:15:41):
I think when you were talking to studies that have
been promoted by scientists to advocate that global roaming is issue,
you're talking about a lot of climate modeling, and climate
modeling results depends on a lot of assumptions which generally
are not incorrect, and a lot of the study on
this modeling don't really address cloud cover and the importance

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of cloud in US temperature moderation and impacts on climate.
So there are other numerous problems here that the cult
of climate crisis is ignoring, and fortunately due to the
new social media X and a number of other scientists
who have knowledged to find a voice. I'm thinking of

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Chris Martin and doctor Matthew Lechti. They are getting their
analysis out with facts and data and people having lived
with COVID and how scientific experts are not only wrong,
but horrendously wrong and destructive are beginning to now rethink
their climate crisis global warming assumptions, and I think we're

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seeing significant reversals in those policies thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
To the Trump administration, and people are going to be
a lot better off in the long run. Well, I
think every farmer in Denmark needs to thank Leslie Eastman
for whistleblowing on this whole thing. You you completely exposed this.
They're too embarrassedes. Denmark's too embarrassed, the danger too embarrassed
to continue this policy because you have pulled back the curtains.
So I want to thank you on behalf of all

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of them and for common sense. Leslie. Thank you very
much for your work.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Leslie. I bet in your illustrious career you never thought
that you would do an interview on the radio talking
about cal farts.

Speaker 13 (01:17:28):
Uh, you know, I got to be honest with you, gentlemen.
I have a cow fout calculation that's pretty famous on legal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
This is your wheelhouse.

Speaker 13 (01:17:39):
This actually is my specialty. It was an accidental methane
released in Los Angeles, and I calculated a number of
cows that would have had to have forirted for a
year in order to produce the same amount of that day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Sure, we have to have you back.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
This is your alling.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
This is an ongoing story. It's you've now shown me.
I've seen the light. We need to keep you on
speed dial. This discussion is not over.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Thank you, Leslie. Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

Speaker 13 (01:18:06):
Well, I think I'd like to begin to promote myself
as as the rout and Greg cow expert. You may
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
That's your label for me, all right, Leslie Eaves. When
joining us on our news line, you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Know your instincts were right on this. I quite enjoyed
this discussion.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
Much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
But this is this is actually very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
These port cows are giving this ingredient. Up until now,
they were they were killing over, they were dying, they
were having miscarriages, they had diarrhea. You know every Port
cow you know. Come on, do you ever, by the way,
did you ever milk a cow? I?

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Well, yes, not not not with your habitually. But I yes,
I've done I was asked, I've been there. Yes, success.
I didn't have to do it for very long. I
tried to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
I hear there's an art to it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah, I think there might be, But I tried. I
tried it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
I've never done it, not that I want to, but
a couple of squirres just.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
To say, I did you know I was city boy.
They were I was being hazed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
This is when you were like a state lawmad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah, I was on a state lawmaker. They wanted to
haze me out there in rural Utah to get this
city boy out there and make him do some stuff.
But you yeah, I got a couple of squirts out.

Speaker 12 (01:19:21):
I did it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:22):
I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I was game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I respect him. They just machines for that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Now, Oh it's automatic. Cows just pull up there, hooked up, boom,
you got milk.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Yeah, you know. They the stuff they come up with
works the rural guys. The stuff the enviros come up
with never works. They take away our paper everything, and
then they make us use plastic kills the whales and
the and the dolphins.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Australia wanted to get rid of cane beetles, so they
brought these cane toads from Asia and in Queensland, Australia
they had a cane toad invasion. These cane toads didn't
even care about the cane beetles. They just reproduced in
mass It was a true invasion. They killed their The
ecosystem there got completely messed up by man trying to
interfere with nake. And I can't think of anything worse

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than trying to interrupt a cow with what a cow does. Well,
let the cow, let nature take its course.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I think we've reached new heights in the quality of
our programming we have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
And I'm telling you, Leslie Eastman is the Locals Rotting
Show cal fart experts. She's got she's got a calculation
for all the methane being admitted around. She can tell you,
by whatever methane is being admitted, how many cows would
have to fart, Yeah, to equal it. We're going to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
That's told you this would be an interesting time.

Speaker 8 (01:20:29):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
I'm all in, all right, this is good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
More coming up on the Rotten Gregg Show that you know,
there's a real concern about prices Greg, but he says
they are slowly coming down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
No, well not in Utah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah, people don't believe that as of yet. I mean,
this was Harry Enton on CNN this morning and he
talked about consumer confidence and it has reached an historic low. Sight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Yeah, what President Trump is trying to sell the American
folks aren't buying.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
And we can see it pretty simply.

Speaker 7 (01:20:57):
Here. Take a look here. This is consumer sentiment, their
current conditions. Consumer sentiment can be the current conditions or
it can be a few ture expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
We're looking at current conditions.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
And get this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
According to the University of Michigan, we are dealing with.

Speaker 12 (01:21:08):
The worst ever, the worst ever view of current.

Speaker 13 (01:21:11):
Conditions dating all the way back since nineteen hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
And fifty one.

Speaker 12 (01:21:16):
This is record breaking in the way you don't want
to be breaking records. And get this, Kate.

Speaker 13 (01:21:22):
It is down thirty percent. Consumer sentiment of current conditions
down thirty percent from January when Donald Trump took office.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Nobeel, you made a point earlier in the program, Greg,
and we need to repeat it that the Trump administration
cannot get caught in the trap that well Biden administration made.
Remember Biden saying, yes, economy's fine, inflation's in the transition,
transitory stage, it will come down. The American people did
not believe it because they didn't see it. Donald Trump

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cannot fall into that same trap.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Well, I'll tell you this, I don't believe you know,
it's funny what people pull with the media polls or
what the University of Maastion, Michigan is going to decide
to poll arnus if they pulled people that they never
really did a deep dive or gave the proper narrative
on the government shutdown that the Democrats caused the way
they did the Republicans. So you're never going to see
polling numbers for the Democrats shut down that were people

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were angry at the Republicans like you're You wouldn't see
that the same kind of sentiment towards Democrats right now
because they didn't ask the question yea, and they didn't
cover the same sum. I don't buy that the this
is the lowest consumer confidence ever because it got very
very dark during those Biden years. But I will say this,
it was to the BI. It was to Biden's detriment
and and he doomed that administration when their narrative was

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this economy is and it was Friedman, it was New
York Times, it was the regime media. This economy is
doing phenomenally well. You're just not sophisticated enough to appreciate it.
You have money, this dysmorphia if you don't know how
good you have it, if you keep talking down to
the American people that way and tell them how great
everything is when they know it's not You're not getting

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their confidence. You're not gonna it is. It is not
going to fly. So I I'm telling you that right
now when gat when interest rates go down, we as
consumers should see our interest rates of credit cards, car loans,
everything go down, because they certainly go up when interest
rates go up. They are not coming down. And that
needs to be the discussion with this president and administration.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
And Trump's just got to go to the American people.
The American people like this guy. They believe this guy,
or most of them do. Half the country does at least,
and say, look, I'm gonna shoot real straight with you.
We know prices are high. Here's what we're doing to
try and bring them down, and just shoot straight. He's authentic,
he can get away in doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I think, great, he's got gas, he's got crude oil
down to a well. When I say he the high
production has allowed for creud to sell it about sixty
bucks a barrow, which is as low as it usually goes.
You don't actually wanted to go much lower than that
because they have to make money to do it. But
that should as it has always done in the past.
Lower gas prices in record ways.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
We're not seeing it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
There are some states that see it. We're not seeing it.
There's a problem there. So he's doing his part by
you know, increasing supply of production of oil and gas.
But there's there is a harvesting of these profits, harvesting
of these interest rates dropping that I think big business
is doing at the detriment of every day America.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah, here's some good news we can share with you
before we move on to tomorrow's show. The International Olympic
Committee is reportedly set to ban transgender women from competing
greag in all female categories. Good all of them, Good,
all of them?

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
About time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
The change is set to be officially announced early next year.
According to reports, The decision to ool overhaul the current
policy was made after the Sporting Committee carried out a
science based review of a biologically born male's physical advantages
and has showed they do have advantages. So no more

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there'll be a loss to I guarantee you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
It's just sad we went through an era where that
wasn't just common sense, and it should have been the
case all along. Hey, I want to I wonder if
I want to sneak in this soul stack. Okay, Return
of the Jedi. It premiered on May twenty fifth, nineteen
eighty three. I don't know if any of you remember it.
I certainly do. We have members of Congress that were
in Congress prior to that date and still there and

(01:25:15):
still there. And there are Republicans and Democrats forty eight years,
fifty years, forty four years. Wow, they're still serving before
that Return of the Jedi came out unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
That does it for us tonight, Head up, shoulders back,
will talk to you tomorrow