The Doug Pike Show 11-03-24

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the Doug Pike Show, brought to you by
American Shooting Centers Guns Shooting at Instruction since nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Now here's Doug Pike.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
See if I could get these glasses on, old man
that I am, and see where we can go from here. Huh.
Welcome to the second day, second day of duck, deer
and goose season seasons around here anyway, thanks to daylight
saving time going away, you remember to reset your clocks, right?

(00:35):
You cannot be first this morning to confess to forgetting
to set your clocks back. And you have Billy to
thank for that. I told him I wouldn't use his
last name, but you can be next if you want to.
Billy sends me an email earlier this morning. Hey man,
no show this morning, Fox. It's just Fox Sports is

(00:56):
on right now? What's going on? All right? Yeah? I'm good,
I'm good. I remember to roll my clock back before
I even went to bed last night, which I guess
is the only time he could do it. But that's
the only clock that I messed with in the house
was my alarm clock. I presumed correctly as always, that
the phone would take care of itself. I'm pretty darn

(01:19):
confident that the television took care of itself, the one
that I watched the most anyway, and everybody else is
on their own. My son seventeen on the weekend, he
doesn't even use a clock. I don't think. He and
his friends just go where they're gonna go, do what
they're gonna do. And as long as he's home before
official curfew time, I really can't give him any grief

(01:42):
over that. He'll probably sleep until about noon today.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Be my guests.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
He actually came home. He was at a buddy's house
last night and they were about there's a friend of
his has a garage. The house has a garage apartment,
and the kids will all hang out in that and
so they don't bother the parents at all. And my
son actually called and said, hey, I'm going to come
on home. As he was talking to my wife and
she asked him why. She said, all these guys just
I'm tired. I want to go to sleep, and they're

(02:08):
all up racking around and making a bunch of noise.
I'm just coming home, like, okay, there's another check. That
little maturity box not trying to keep up with his buddies,
just needs a little rest, trying to fuel his body
to play baseball, and so home he comes. It's all right,
So thanks Billy, thanks for getting that out of the way.
I knew there'd be somebody. I wasn't sure who it was,

(02:32):
and now I won't go so far as to say
I figured it'd be you. That would be cruel because
I didn't. I didn't even think about it being you. Actually,
we've all done it, and it was really tough. As
a waterfowl guide years ago, and fishing guides have the
same experience. You get used to. Your body clock gets
kind of dialed into a certain amount of time you're

(02:53):
going to be sleeping, and it's almost as though your
brain is smart enough, which I'm sure it is, we
just don't use it. But your brain I ain't as smart
enough to kind of dial in. If you go to
bed a little later or a little earlier, it might
let you not sleep as long or sleep a little
longer because it kind of has this internal clock going.
Mine goes off. It seems like earlier and earlier lately.

(03:15):
I wish you would stop doing that, but I'm I
don't really I probably wouldn't need the alarm to be
up in time and on time to come in here.
But it's nice to have. It's it's insurance against my
body clock failing me. At some point, maybe the batteries
will go dead my body clock. Someday I'll have to
figure out how to recharge them or just use that

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clock for all the time. So as a guide, I
definitely remember being on that prairie. Opening day was fine.
We were on the same schedule, and then everybody would
groan when the old Larry Gore he ran the show
out there. He'd remind us all by the way tonight
and he'd call too. He'd call he did. This was

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before texting an email and all that. He just remember,
set your alarms back, set your alarms back for tomorrow morning.
And every now and then some guide would come sliding
in sideways who had forgotten. It wasn't any of the veterans.
We all made it out there, but it sure felt early.
It feels like the first day that you have to
go out there and perform either as a waterfowl guide

(04:21):
or a fishing guide. And that's kind of what you're doing. Really,
you're proving to these people that you know what you're doing.
It's pretty hard when you're just lost that one hour sleep.
You don't lose the hour, you get the hour of sleep,
but you're in the field that much earlier, that full
hour earlier, because sunrise is coming an hour earlier that morning,

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that Sunday in October or early November, depending on how
the clock falls. What a mess though? What a mess?
I don't honestly didn't really matter. Shooting time, shooting time
and whenever that is, that's when. Well I want to
be in the field before then, by about at least
an hour before shooting time for a goose hunt, and

(05:05):
probably thirty forty minutes for a duck hunt. That would
feel pretty comfortable. I think we just set the alarm,
answer it and go. It's not complicated. Shooting time is
what it is, and you've got to be where you're
supposed to be earlier than that. That comes with maturity
as well and responsibility and following the mantra that if

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you're on time, you're late, especially for waterfowl hunting or
fishing guide. You got to be there early for your people,
because your people, the hunters and fishermen who come along,
the sportsmen who come along, the little kids and their
dads and their grandpas and their aunts and uncles said,
whoever comes into your boater, into your blind, they're excited

(05:48):
as they can be, and they don't want to miss
a minute of what's about to happen. They don't want
to miss a minute. Good though, duck season, by the way,
kind of off to a hit or misstart from what
I'm hearing. Some places are loaded up pretty good. Other
places there just aren't enough ducks to justify the mosquito
bites and the warm, muggy weather. Same as we talked

(06:11):
about a little bit yesterday. Really, it just feels weird
to be sitting in a duck blind or a deer
stand at the crack of dawn in almost eighty degree
weather and ninety nine percent humidity. Walked out the house
this morning and there was just this line of water
all around the eaves on the back patio where it
had just dribbled off the roof all night long. No rain,

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but just so much moisture in the air. It gathers
on the roof and then just trickles on down. Strong
wind coming for a couple of days, mostly from the south.
It's supposed to blow like twenty twenty five, maybe even
gust to thirty something like that over the next few days,
and then it'll settle around and spin out of the
north northeast as we get some weather coming down from

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that direction and some cooler temperatures too. I look for
next week, the highs all, if I remember correctly, look
like they're going to be in the seventies and not
much not much variation overnight, maybe into the mid sixties.
I think there might have been a low sixty technically
in there, if I recall. But it's just going to
be pleasant weather as long as we can dodge more

(07:15):
rain get out of there. By the way, while I'm
thinking about it, I can count three members of my
audience right now who are are sick to varying degrees.
One's actually on the mend, and I'm so happy for that.
The other two are in pretty tough shape. Though I
won't say who they are because it's it's nobody's business.

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But some healing prayers are definitely in order if you'd
like to send them on out there for these these
very wonderful people. It doesn't matter who they are, just
just say a prayer to heal all the sickness in
the world. That'd be nice. That would be nice, But
it wouldn't be the world, then, would it. We have
to do a lot of this work. We have to
do ourselves. We all know that. Seven one three two

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one two five seven ninety email on me, Dougpike at
iHeartMedia dot com. There were a couple of things I
wanted to talk about this morning, one of which is
the overwhelming number of shooters I encountered as a guide.
And I'm sure guides today are no different than the
ones from when I was out there slashing around in
the mud. How many hunters out there just missing so

(08:21):
many birds, so many more than they're hitting because they
haven't shot their shotguns since this past hunning season, or
they've never really learned how to shoot. Somebody took them
somewhere and slung clay targets out in front of them
until they actually were figured out a way in their
own minds to hit a couple of them. But they

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never really got taught how to shoot. And that's the
same as trying to teach yourself golf, the same as
trying to teach yourself any hand eye coordination sport, especially
one with a moving target. Golf's not the club's moving,
but the ball didn't move. It's not like pace ball,
where the golf ball is not gonna drop down and

(09:05):
a way on you just as you swing at it.
All of that takes practice, and it also takes instruction,
and you can get taught by your buddy down the
street who always seemed to bring home half a dozen
or so doves when he went dove hunting. He didn't
tell you shot three boxes of shelves to get him.
He just came home with a few birds. And it

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takes time, and it takes practice to get good. I
may sure to have I'm thinking I may have to
get somebody on to explain the long term value in
shooting and fishing well, fishing boat really the long term
value and getting some instruction on how to do what
you do. Think back to when you first learned how
to throw a bait caster, if somebody was standing beside you,

(09:50):
somebody who was very skilled. And that's the thing. If
you're going to learn from a friend or a neighbor
or a relative or whatever, make sure that their skill
levels are far beyond, far beyond average, because if you're
learning from just somebody who's average that's what they can
teach you. They can't teach you to be any better
than that. If they could, they would be better than that. Anyway,

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The longest short of it is, I got a call
probably I don't know twenty twenty gosh, thinking about my
son's age, minus a couple more for when I got
that phone call. It's probably been close to twenty years
now when gil Ash called me one day. Gil Ash

(10:33):
who runs ops shooting schools. He and his wife Vicki,
and their son Brian, all three outstanding instructors. They work
out at American Shooting Centers in a little corner of
the property all to themselves kind of. And what he
taught me, he said, come out here.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I want you.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I want you to try something. I'm not going to
tell you what it is, just ship, but I want
you to try something that Vicky and I have been
working on for a long time. And I felt pretty
comfortable going on out there and shooting alongside them. I'm
not a competitive guy anymore. I'm not a competitive shooter anymore,
but I felt like I could hole moan. So I
go out there and he pulls a few targets and

(11:12):
he watches what I'm doing and he's I'm doing what
almost everybody who learns how to shoot clay targets still does.
Even I heard some guys talking just the other day
about how they swing through that target. They bring that
gun up and swing it through the target and pull
the trigger somewhere out in front, somewhere out in front.
The faster the burg goes, the faster you have to

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swing your gun to get it out in front of
them and take them down. And it looks good on paper,
and it did. That's how I learned to shoot, too.
That's how I learned to shoot. Everything moves pretty fast
when you're doing that, it really does. It's very fast,
and you have to be You have to get everything
right in sequence and then maintain all that barrel moment,

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and there's a million things that have to go right
for you to hit the bird doing that. And then
what Gilan Vicky showed me slowed it down. I went
from watching an F one race to a chuck Wagon race.
When the speed of the targets I was looking at
it slowed them down. It was like they were going

(12:21):
through mud or just everything slowed down. We'll tell you
more about that when I get back.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
This is Sports Talk seven ninety online at Sports seven
ninety dot com.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Now there more Doug Fight.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
All right, Welcome back Dougplike Show on Sports Talk seven ninety.
This first day of no more, no more daylight in
the afternoon, no more getting in a quick nine after
work for about what six months or so. I don't
know how long it'll be that I have to deal
with it getting dark before I can even get out
of this office in the afternoon after fifty plus. That's

(13:01):
rough man. By the way, I got a report from
a weather report from the Tripod on which Captain Scott
is sitting with a deer rifle in his hand instead
of a fishing rod or maybe I don't know. It
depends on where he is and what he's doing. Might
be a hog rifle. They're kind of interchangeable. Sunny and
seventy nine degrees down there at sea. He's around seed drift, okay,

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he's around around the home fires. I think win fifteen
miles an hour augustin to twenty four. I haven't even
looked at the official wind up and down the coast,
but I know it's blowing and gonna blow harder and
harder for the next few days. So it is hang
on to your hat. And if you're sitting in a
tripod this morning deer hunting, be sure to apply your sunscreen,
especially to the tops of your thighs where your shorts

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don't cover, because yeah, it's warm outside.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
What's up, Rick, Well, yesterday I didn't call in. I
was texting with you. I was shot hunting, but I
was guiding.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Okay, what were you guiding?

Speaker 5 (14:06):
I was down in two guys. Really sorry?

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Huh sunrises or what?

Speaker 5 (14:13):
No? No, dear hunting. Okay, but I did a really
sorry job of it. But anyway, that's not what I'm
calling you about. I got a statement and then a question.
I Lord, this is just my personal deal. My personal
deal has always been, and I talking about two boys
of this. If you shoot it, you eat it. If

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you catch it, you eat it. Catch it and you
don't want to eat it, then throw it back. If
you are going to shoot it and you can't you
won't eat it, then don't shoot it over. I think
that's kind of been imprinted in their brain over all
these years. But my one of my sons yesterday shot

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a really really big buck and he also shot a
black buck. I didn't know about. And he texted me
this morning and he said, I got a black buck.
I've never shot a black buck. And for me personally,
I have a everything I've shot except there's one exception

(15:22):
and that I don't eat snakes. Okay. Now, I'm a
big crow hunter, as you know, and I ate a
crow one time, but I'll promise you I'll never eat
another one.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Okay, I understand that.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Okay, laying this black buck home, I've never shot a
black buck. He's still dressing it. I'd like for somebody
in your in your audience to tell me about black
buck meat. I mean, I have never heard in all
my travels and somebody eating a black buck. So he's

(15:58):
fixing to put my feet through the far Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I think I think you're going to find out that
there's nothing wrong with it at all. It depends on
how many calls we get telling us that it's horrible
and they'll come pick it up and dispose of it
for you. That's how you know whether you should. I
think you're going to be pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
That's my guess.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's okay, all right, all right man, audios. Yeah, it
looks like a deer walks like a deer, eats like
a deer, but it is an antelope, kind of a
goady thing. I got one on the wall, and I
do remember bringing some of the meat home. I shared

(16:41):
it with some other couple other guys. But I do
remember bringing some home, and I don't remember it being
particularly bad. I don't know, I don't know. Maybe I'm sure,
I guarantee you somebody in this audience, maybe even that
guy is sitting up on that tripod right now, is
eating at least once eating black buck antelope. Be interesting
find out seven one three two one two five seven

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ninety Email me Doug pick At iHeartMedia dot com, Melbourne.
Did you know the clock in this studio didn't change overnight? Really?

Speaker 6 (17:10):
Really?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, it's still telling me it's nine twenty three, and
that's supposed to be a GPS clop. That's outrageous. So
I'm not am I earlier late? Right now? You know what?
Whatever it is, you're right on time.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
I like that. So I can take this all the
way to the bottom of the hour. Why not, let's roll.
I'm okay, man, see how it works out. Okay, Brandon,
what's up, buddy? Dog, I'm good. How are you? Man?

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm okay. You're telling what time with this? I'm showing
it's eight twenty two.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, that's what it should be, eight twenty two, eight
twenty three. As long as it had an eight in
front of it, I wasn't gonna argue. But at present,
this thing has a nine in front of it, and
that means it's an hour off. Yeah, that's a mess.
That's a hot mess. That's yesterday's time. Now that interestingly,
Melvin real quickly and I'll get right back to you, Brennan.
This little box I have in the studio that has

(18:06):
the dumb button on it and all eight twenty three. Wow, okay,
all right, So what are you going to watch today, Brennan?
What games are you going to watch them? You got
no Texans to watch today.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm not gonna watch. I'm will to.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Watch the sections Rater.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Oh yeah, you haven't seen it yet. No, I won't
spoil it. I won't spoil it for you. Then, Rockets
almost made a heck of a comeback last night. Yeah
they did, indeed. Yeah it was it was clause they
were down I want to say, like thirty one points
or something at halftime. It was just outrageous, and they

(18:41):
whittled it back to where they got within single digits
of actually winning that game. They they played their behinds
off and came up just a little bit short, but
it was still interesting.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
Yeah, we're we're getting ready for audio next year.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Are you already getting ready for Rodeo?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's sure?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Wow? Man, well yeah, the next year is not that
far away anymore, is it. Okay? Well, good for you, man.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
We haven't announce who's gonna be the singers for the concerts.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
They do that a little bit later. I think it's
it may be a little bit premature.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Do you listen to Freak you not very No.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
I don't listen to them during the week.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Weekdays, Uh huh. They will announce the audio.

Speaker 8 (19:40):
Waiter on the Okay, all right, well that'll help, all right, Brandon,
my friend, I got a bolt buddy, all right, yes, sir,
good to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah you too, audios now, Brandon, come on, man, you
can't be telling me to go listen to somebody else's
radio station. I get it, though, I know. Yeah, everybody's
eager to hear who's going to be playing at the Rodeo.
They always are and always will be. It's a big deal.
It's a very big deal. But we'll have the news
this well, we'll have the news as well. Seven one

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three two one two five seven ninety Email me Dougpike
at iHeartMedia dot com. It was something that I wanted
to talk about. Hey, I got that, I got that done.
I got that done, got that done. I haven't told
you yet exactly how Gil and Vicki and Brian are
teaching wingshooting now. And it is different, and I'm gona
tell you so. And it's been going on a long time,

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and I know that other teachers are bringing this in
to their their methodology and their way of thinking. And
it really what it did for me, no fooling is
it just slowed down the waterfowling world. It slows down
till it slows down ducks, it slows down geese. They
don't seem to be flying so fast or getting away

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so fast, or cutting across in front of you you
so fast. It's like time slows down. It really, it
really is. And the only thing they're changing is where
you bring the gun up. Traditional teaching was to bring
the gun up behind the bird, swing it through, get
it on a level plane with the flight plane, swing

(21:18):
it through, and then when it got out far enough
in front, go ahead and shoot, Well, how far is
far enough in front? If the bird's flying super fast,
it's got to be way out there. Birds flying a
little bit slower, doesn't have to be so much, birds
coming right at you, different, different, different, all kinds of
different things that are going on. And you got to
figure out how fast to swing that barrel just to

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even catch up with the bird, let alone get in
front of it. And then once you get it out
there in front, how far do you need to keep
it out in front? How far do you need to
push that barrel before you pull the trigger. And that's
probably ninety percent of why most people miss birds behind.
I wrote, gosh, it's probably been forty years ago now

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in the chronicle. Maybe maybe not that long, thirty five
years anyway, that if ducks and geese backed up three
feet when they heard the shot, they'd be extinct. Because
ninety nine percent of the shots I saw taken as
a guide didn't miss over the bird or under the bird.
They missed behind the bird because they didn't lead it enough,
because they were told to get the barrel, swing the

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barrel through, get it out in front, and then shoot.
And they weren't getting it out in front enough, and
the birds were. The pellets went where the birds were,
not where they are. And that's it's going to cause
you a miss every time, what they teach. And it
took me a while to even figure out how to

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lift the gun because it's everything's different in there and
what you're going to do. But instead of coming up
from behind it and swinging through the bird at breakneck
speed and not really knowing when to stop and when
to pull the trigger and all that, you simply bring
the gun up and get it on parallel with the bird,
but already in front of the bird. And what they described,

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and I hope I'm doing this right, Gil and VICKI,
if y'all are listening this morning, they do sometimes. But
just put that barrel in about a three foot box
in front of that bird as you come up. Before
you ever get up to the bird, you're already in front,
and you're already matching that bird speed. And if you're
already matching that speed and already in front, the only

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thing left to do is pull the trigger. And because
you're inside that imaginary box in front of the bird. Already,
that's going to take care of the lead you need.
You're matching the speed and by putting it in that box,
if a bird is going really fast, your barrel's already

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moving really fast in front of that bird, and the
pellets are going to get there in time, and the
pellets are going to open into their nice full pattern
because you paid a little bit more to get decent
shotgun shells and the junk loads that are out there,
and you're gonna hit more birds. The first few times
I tried it, I was it's like a golf swing.
I'm trying to mix part of my knowledge I got.

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I've got thirty something forty something years of shot gunning
in my head before I even go out there, and
it's hard to get it out. It's hard to get
out of a bad golf swing, hard to get out
of a bad baseball swing. You've got to get all
of that out of your head. Like I was saying
I was thinking about earlier, what he does is he

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What he did was take my head. He turned me
upside down, help me by my heels, and just shook
all that stuff out of my head and then said, okay,
we're starting from total scratch. Here. Here's what I want
you to do. Here's where I want you how I
want you to mount the gun where I want you
to mount it. And you're really not even looking down
the barrel. You're looking in front. You're looking everything's happening

(24:53):
in front. And because you're not having to catch up
to anything, it moves slower. So that makes sense it all? Yes,
are you? Are you fired up? Are you ready to
go to the range? I? Sure am, I want to.
I want to. I want to put that barrel in
the box. Okay, let's see you got it man there. Okay, hey, look,

(25:14):
let's go ahead and jump out here. I'm gonna do
a little golf early. I'm gonna bring Tommy o'brown on.
He's out at Black Hawky. He's got a lesson a
little after nine, so I want to spend some time
with him. Might do a segment, might do two segments,
I don't know. But we're gonna get him on and
we're gonna talk about a little bit of golf and
kind of on the heels of my conversation with Hal
Sutton yesterday, and I'm gonna get Tommy's impressions on something.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
This is Sports Talk seven ninety, Facebook dot com, slash
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Speaker 2 (25:42):
Back to the dun.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Welcome back, dudpikeshow On Sports Talk seven ninety, Captain Scott
sent me pictures a minute ago of he had a
deer stand get hit by lightning. He wasn't in it,
thank goodness. And then there's a there's actually a camera
out there on the property that caught the hit. I probably,
I don't know, maybe the shockwaves set off the camera.
It wasn't motion detective. It's one hundred yards away or more.

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That was pretty special, all right, as promise, we're gonna
go talk to a good friend of mine, Tommy O'Brien
out there at black Hawk Golf Club. You're on the
range already, aren't you, Tommy.

Speaker 6 (26:19):
No, actually, Doug, I'm on the way to church to
pray for more birdies.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Oh that's a good way to look at.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
It, as the hat goes pray.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Brother, Yeah, buddy, if only it were that easy, you know,
no kids. So I had House Sutton on our and
I know you know how, And we talked a little
bit yesterday about how he had had set up Darmore
Club to be more of a thinker's course and not
have to rely on just bombing gouge, which has become

(26:53):
kind of part of the game. Now, okay, and so
what I wanted to talk to you about this morning
would be, maybe let's let's start with the most overrated
skill in golf. What do you think people spend more
time on than they should on the range? Because in
the long run it's really not going to help him
as much as they think it will.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
Well, let me pose it to you this way. So
Mark Brody and he invented the shots gain stat on
the PGA Tour, kind of the.

Speaker 7 (27:21):
Saber metrics of golf, if you will.

Speaker 6 (27:23):
And he analyzed when Tiger just had his amazing run,
when he was just just killing him in the two
thousands and the early twenty ten eleven twelve segment light
there and by and far a wonderful book called Every
Shot Count. So somebody wants to read about what you're
talking about, what's to focus on the most That would

(27:43):
be a great way to do it. He's a brilliant,
brilliant guy, but by and far, when Tiger was killing them,
he was not even close to the best driver on
the PGA Tour. He was not even close to the
best potter on the PGA Tour. What he was by
two shots around over tour players, was the best iron

(28:04):
player on You know, he let shots gamestat and approach
and you know, again hard to beat it when you
hit almost you know, every green. When you give yourself
opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, you're gonna make a few
birdies here and there. So I found that fascinating. And
then the second stat that wasn't as big a deal

(28:28):
was driving accuracy. What was more of a bigger deal
was driving distance. Again, people lowered their handicaps more with
driving distance than they did driving accuracy.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
So if you're looking at a stat standpoint.

Speaker 6 (28:42):
And that's why years ago VJ. Seeing said, why would
I hit two iron up to see and have six
irons from the fairway When I can bomb a driver
in the rough and have nine iron I had more
of a chance of getting closer to the whole heat
and the green and all that. With that strategy, then
I do the traditional make sure you get in the fairway.
So I guess you could say you didn't get into
the fairway, might be a little bit overrated based upon

(29:04):
the stats and the numbers that shot Link picks up
on the on the PGA Tour right there.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, but shot link is shot Link is measuring professional golfers. Okay,
what about me and these old guys I play with
on on Fridays. Now it used to be Mondays, it's
now Fridays. We're never gonna hit it down there to
where we've gotten nine iron into the hole. And if
we're in the rough, we can't swing as hard as
as tour players can and just gouge it on out

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of there. I gotta I gotta find myself in that
short grass somehow, don't I.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Well, you do, or you could change I mean, just
we're gonna check the ego a little bit here.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
We could change tea boxes if if you.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Know, when when when you're playing golf with those older
guys and you're you're not one of those guys.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
I've seen you hit golf balls, Doug, you hit it
plenty far.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
But what I would tell those guys to further the
enjoyment of the game is to make sure they're playing
the correct tea box.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Well, there's there's nothing on in front of the g Tommy, Well,
there you go. That's it.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
Yeah. I would then harp on driving distance. Yeah, sure,
driving accuracy. Those guys don't swing fast enough to hit
it way offline. They don't have one hundred and twenty
five mile an hour clubhead speed. So again, anything they
can do to increase their drive, even if they're in
the rough, if they can at least get towards they
got a shorter hybrid from the rough, a shorter seven

(30:28):
hybrid or or you know, a six iron, a seven
iron something to that effect. Driving distance, hitting it further
will without question help them to play the game a
lot better, a lot better.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, and they do, they do try, but you're exactly right.
They don't hit it far enough to get into bad trouble.
But kind of I kind of still do sometimes. And
that's where I've felt very good since that last little
visit you and I had. It confirmed that what I
was doing with the drive was right. And I'm kind
of laughing when I tell people the story because I

(31:04):
tell him that I told you what I was trying
to do to correct my issue, and you said, oh no,
that's making it worse.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
Money.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
That really made me feel really good. Tommy, O'Brien, I
want to tell you thanks a lot I had learn.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
We just want to make sure but the truth will
such your free trying that, Doug. But I would say
the thing that should be focused on more for golf
for lower scores. Now, I've spent a lot of time
with Scott Faucett.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
Who came up with Decade Golf, which.

Speaker 6 (31:33):
Is a golf course management strategy. He's quantified how to
pick targets and whatnot, and what he emphasizes more than
well you must make five six birdies around. He emphasizes
bogey avoidance.

Speaker 7 (31:46):
Okay, And so again it's.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Not about and in your case with the with the
with the guys you play with, it's double bogie and
triple boge avoidance. So making sure that they aim to
a portion of the golf course that does not put
double and triple into play. I'd love to say that
I'm going to show them how to make six birdies around.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
That's just probably not going to happen.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
But what we can do is keep them in the
bogie and better range as opposed to doubles and triples
are just so hard.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
To come back from you, and you can't anybody who's
making doubles and triples in coming back from them. They're
not going to string three birdies to get rid of
a triple bogue.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
No, unless they're on the on the tour.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
That's that's exactly right.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
He has stressed more than anything, that's exactly right. He
has stressed more than anything for good players and for
players in general, bogey avoidance as being a means to
do that in the case of an older, older guy
that doesn't play as well, getting rid of penalty shots
no more, no water balls, no no a bounds, no

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hitting into the woods.

Speaker 7 (32:51):
Where you've got to just chip out and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
Those are little things as well that can take you know,
two three shots off of a nine each nine, and
then that can really help them to get there.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
On that, we got to take a quick break. Can
you stick around till the top of the hour.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
I sure can't. I would be honored to.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Good, Yeah, I'm gonna hold on to you. I'm gonna
put you on hold and we'll take a little break here,
and when we get back, we'll talk to Tommy O'Brien
a little bit more. Thanks Tommy. Hang on, buddy, This
is Sports Talk seven ninety a.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Houston sports Fan on air and on Facebook. A contact
back to the Doug Pike Show.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
All right, welcome back Doug Pike Show on Sports Talk
seven ninety. Very quickly, Rick Bicce got word from Steve
that that black buck antelope is just fine. Just treat
it like venison cook away. It's great taste and tender.
That's what Steve sent to said to Rick. Also, he added,
but like Doug said, if y'all don't like it, just
holler and one of us either our Steve will come

(33:49):
pick it up from you. All right, let me get
Tommy O'Brien back on the phone. Here, click there, and
off we go. He's on his way to church. We're
on our way to lower scores. You mentioned chipping, Tommy,
and I was hoping you would, because you know, I've
got cobwebs in my head when it comes to that,
and sometimes I'm on and sometimes I'm off. How important

(34:10):
is How important is chipping to golf at the amateur level?

Speaker 6 (34:16):
The most important piece, Stug is to get on the
green in one try.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:21):
Now, notice I did not say you have to get
within two inches, within two feet when you see your
buddy's ping ponging it across the green two and three times,
that is absolutely devastating to your score. So chipping bunker
play can be as simple as hey, let's just get
it on the green and one try so that our

(34:42):
next shot is a pott because you got a chance
with a putter in your hand. Even Grandma can putt,
you know, for the most part, if you're to another
chip over another bunker or out of bad ruff or
whatever the case may be. And that's kind of that
strategy that I'd learned from Scott Faucet with decade and
he even preaches that to the tur players. Sure, come on,

(35:02):
like really, I mean, this should be getting it close. No,
the next shot needs to be on the green. And
so again, very simply, if the listeners would just focus
on getting onto the green and one attempt, that would
be huge to help them with their scores. And I'll
tell you, you know what, I did, take three chips
on that hole, and that's how come I may double

(35:23):
or triple down right there.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Well, what you're talking about is right, and the pros
you'll you'll hear them talking about it, the announcers will
be talking about it. He's not looking to get this
close to the hole. He's looking to get it on
the green in one shot, and the mistake that I
often make, and it's hard for me to not try
to hold every shot and I know better, and I

(35:49):
get burned sometimes, but it's it's better. Just like you say,
even if you have to aim away from the hole,
put it on the putting surface, right.

Speaker 6 (35:58):
What right, aim to the fat portion of the green.
You've got more of a chance to hit the green
right there, like at our place, at our little chipping
area right there. If that depends on the farm lefts
over the bunker, there's very little green from front to
back that you have. If you just hold a little
bit to the right, yeah, you'll have a twenty five footer,
But at the same time you'll be on the green,
and you've got a much better chance of holding a

(36:19):
twenty five footer than you do holding another pitch.

Speaker 7 (36:22):
From the rough on the episode market where.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
Wherever it may be.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, yeah, I'm the king of short side too. Oh
my god, I am a sucker for sucker pins. I am,
I really am. I'm hitting it everything, man, and I'll
leave myself just like straight up and down on the
side of a hill. Somewhere with two feet of green
left because because the guy who set the pins that
morning had a bad night the night before or whatever. Oh,

(36:49):
it's hard.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
What about what you're asking you're asking, you were asking
about what would help the listeners today. So I'm I'm
currently working on a presentation for the PJA of America
potentially at the National Coaching and Teaching Summit, and it's
on college golf and how to get your kid to
college golf. And so my teammate and Buddi, who is
now the coach send state Ranksnick and I have been

(37:11):
doing a lot of talking right there. And when he
first took on the job, he called one of the
higher end Division one.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
Coaches that had won a bunch of national championships and.

Speaker 6 (37:20):
Asked, what is it you focus on with your guys
to shoot these low scores? And he said, would you believe?
It's just two things. It's strong side of the pen
and two puts. He goes, if we do that for
the year, my team was one hundred and twenty under par,
and he kept it on the strong side of the
hole versus ninety over par when we kept it on

(37:40):
the short side of the hole, right there. So if
the listeners would just look at the pen, if it's
not in the middle, keep it on the side where
it gives you more green to work with, that will
lower their scores. Even if they have to miss the green,
that will lower their scores as well.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
That's a very good point. What about putting from off
the green? You a fan of that?

Speaker 6 (38:00):
No, I love it. You can pot with your potter,
you can pot with a tree wood. Twenty fourteen, Doug
Martin timer wins the US Open over it in South
Carolina Pinehurst and they got the turtle backgreens. And I
remember this guy's winning the golf tournament and I was
blown away because the announcers were giving him a rash

(38:21):
of crap about putting from off the side of the green.
I'm like, the guy's winning the tournament and they're saying, oh,
he's a turn throw. He should be chipping from off
the side the green. He's winning the golf tournament, Roger maltby.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
A break any So, at any.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
Rate, putting is absolutely fabulous from off the green. And
if you want to make it roll even better, you
could use your hybrid or five wood and just set
up like a potter. Putting, grip, putting everything, and again
that would ensure that what I just said about getting
on the green in one try, I'm not seeing people
stab it from the side of the green right there
with a wedge. There's just no need to do that.

(38:58):
But that's a brilliant The Texas wedge has been used
for a very long time, and I'm so glad you
brought that up because that would be so helpful to
the average listener here just trying to just trying to
make a bogey and you almost do that.

Speaker 7 (39:12):
I mean, scores is much better.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
You know what. You almost never see somebody practicing that.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
No, you don't.

Speaker 6 (39:20):
Actually, when I do clinics with with Stan Uttley on
short game over at Blackhawk, we we hit shots like that.
We absolutely hit shots with with a three lotter to
help them improve their pitching motion, believe or not. But
you're right, nobody does that because they don't think it's
sexy that the guys in their group are gonna, you know,
laugh them off the green when.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
They do that.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
You know what, you just.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
Laugh when you take their money because you did.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
It and you made power and they didn't.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah, going back to Kymer for a minute, when that
was going on. He is a tour pro and what
he's trying to do is make the lowest score. It
doesn't have to be exactly right. Oh yeah, and right,
and the stats proved.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
I mean, like I said, he was able. Those are
very very difficult greens. I mean you're dealing with really
close moan fringes and whatnot, which most people don't have
to deal with that in their lifetime. I mean, a major.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
Championship golf course is set up.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
A little bit different than your own course.

Speaker 7 (40:16):
And he's right here, so.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean into the grain pitch is really
scary on tight tight, tight cut fringes and whatnot. Man,
you just take out all the worry for the putter.
You know, he didn't use a fairrywood or a hybrid
because those greens are so fast. There's a little bit
more of a sting out of the fairway wood. It's
it's a little hotter off the face, if you will,
than a putter would be so at any rate. You know,

(40:40):
That's that's why he used to use that. But I'm like,
I couldn't believe my ears. These guys are sitting there
being disparaging of the guy they're not the guy. From
what I'm like, he's letting the golf tournament.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
But anyway, Yeah, what they should have been saying is
that why isn't anybody else doing this?

Speaker 6 (41:00):
Exactly right? This is this is so smart. If people
at home would do this, they'd be good.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
How how do they get a hold of you to
learn from the wise one?

Speaker 6 (41:09):
They can go to Tomio golf dot com. I'm over
at Blackhawk Country Club where you're at as well, and
they're very very kind to me. Let me even teach
people that are not members of the club. Uh So again,
they can go to tomio golf dot com and sign
up and go from there. But I'll give you one
more bit on overrated. I was prepared for whatever avenue
you're going to give me in teaching overrated. Keeping your

(41:31):
head down it's only one of the most overrated tips
in golf. And you know that from what we worked
on with you and trying to actually use the ground
and push up off the ground to help you hit
the ball better. That's how the guys on in your
group would hit it benefit actually were to use the ground,
ground forces, if you will, and quit worrying about keeping
your head down because it takes motion away from.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
You right now, that and the chip and when when
you first told me come up to go down with
the club Okay, that's that's anti gravity, Tommy. This ain't
gonna work.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
That's what it do. What that does is it did
It helps to get the clubhead to swing down, which
that's the work. Great short gamers have lively clubheads, whether
it's a putter, a pitch where if the case may
be right there and believe or not, when you come
out of posture and you stand up, as long as
you're also leaning as a righty to the left a
little bit, the clubhead will then get really lively and

(42:24):
you'll hit some of the best pitches you've ever hit
in your life. It's when you try to go down
and lift it in the air and help it.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
That's when you really have an issue with that.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Oh my god, that blows everybody's mind.

Speaker 7 (42:33):
And they have to come to see me as a result.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, that's exactly right, Tommy. Oh thanks man. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Doug, thank you appreciate it. You got it.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Thank you all right for buddyos. All right, we got
to take a little break here.

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Speaker 3 (42:57):
All right, welcome back. Second hour starts now. According to
this clock in the wall, we ought to be done.
We would have been done four minutes ago instead of
starting the second hour. That's so weird. That's the only
clock in this whole room that's not on the normal
right time. And it's even goyy. You were talking about
it being a GPS clock. It's got an antenna on
top of it, so apparently that antenna is doing nothing

(43:20):
but just collecting dust. I don't know, does it. Yeah,
maybe maybe it's gonna maybe an update at eleven. I
don't know. Maybe it just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
No.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I just think it's a broken clock. It could be
a day behind. What was it made that joke years
ago that even a broken watch is right twice a day.
You ever think about that? Yeah, So ask your fishing
question again, because it's this is for most of this
audience is kind of well, of course, this is how
you do it, but for you, because you don't have

(43:53):
all the experience that a lot of these guys have
you asked a very good question for anybody who's new
in this audience. Go, okay, while fishing in the brush, Yes,
what is weeds and lily pads? Lily pads? What is
the best lure or what should I use so my
hook doesn't get caught up in the brush. Yeah, So

(44:13):
you're throwing it out there because you know that's where
those fish are hanging out, but you're getting snagged a
bunch and the reason is because that hook is exposed. Now,
if you if you throw a spinner bait, the frame
on the spinner bait looks like a look at where
I'm showing you. So here's the top where the little
blade is, here's the rubber skirt and all that. Well,
the hook comes up right here, and so that wire

(44:34):
frame of that bait kind of keeps it out of
the brush. You can, if it's not super thick stuff,
you could throw a spinner bait and get it back through.
You can use if Foux pros listen and he swears
by rubber frogs that have the good quality ones have
on that frog body, the plastic body, the way the

(44:55):
hooks sit there. They don't catch grass. But if a
fish rabs it and closes its mouth around that lure.
You can set the hook and the hooks will catch
the fish's mouth. Got YOUA I was talking to you
about using a plastic worm. That's kind of the easiest
rig And you don't want to put a ton of
weight on it because you don't want to just bury

(45:16):
it down in two bales of hay on the way
down to the bottom. It's going to be hard to
get out anyway. But maybe even just a little piece
of split shot a foot in front of that hook.
And then when you rig the worm, I'll have to
kind of show you, but look up Texas rigged worms
and you'll find out how to put that hook into

(45:37):
that worm so that the point of the hook is
actually just barely sticking out of that worm. And again,
when the fish closes its mouth around that worm and
you set the hook real hard, the hook comes right
through that rubber worm. Got you? But it doesn't if
you're just very delicate with it, it shouldn't get stuck
in the wheeze every now and then it will. And

(45:59):
that boy places out there at Blackhawk where I fish
for basset. Now they got a few of my lures.
They got stuff stuck on them. Unfortunately, I probably got
probably got three hundred dollars worth of crank baits and
spinner baits stuck out there somewhere. I don't know where
they all are, but it was worth it. I mean,
if you're not throwing into cover, and if you're bass

(46:20):
fishing and you're not throwing to cover unless it's summertime
and they're schooling and chasing shad to the top or something,
you're missing a lot of fish. They are structure oriented fish,
unlike a lot of saltwater fish that kind of move
on the tide and use the tide to bring them food.
So they're kind of sitting in open areas where they'll
duck under that current. A little bit. Rainbow trout do

(46:41):
that in streams too. They'll get just in the eddy
of the current and just sit there in that slightly
calmer water and then watch the stuff go by and
then reach up and grab something when it floats over
their heads or pass their noses or whatever. But a
big old bass will just sit up next to a
log and just wait for something to come to it
instead of swimming all over the lake looking around. It's

(47:04):
fascinating now, with this forward looking electronic stuff to find
out how many, as a lot of these bass fishermen
are finding out on the big lakes, how many big
bass there are just sitting out in the middle of nowhere,
just not wanting to be bothered, not hiding, not feeding
aggressively anyway, just kind of camped out out there. Because

(47:27):
the traditional thinking had all the big fish sitting next
to something, whether it was a log or a bridge,
piling or a rock or a drop off something. They
were relating to something. And it's turning out that there
are quite a few more fish out there just middle
of nowhere. I'm sure the fish can relate, they're relating

(47:47):
to something, and they know their way back to where
they came from. It's amazing to me that fish, because
some of that water visibility isn't all that great, and
I'd be curious to know how they managed to get
around so well without being able to see. It's easy
for a fish on the on the flats in the Bahamas,
where on the water is so clear, to see and

(48:08):
recognize things that are familiar to it. Uh And boy
do they ever too. Bonefish have a habit and a
skill that's pretty amazing. When they get hooked and take
off a running. There might be one little mangrove shoot
sticking up above the surface of the water, maybe a foot,
so it's just a it's a stalk basically underwater, and

(48:30):
a little more stalk and a couple of leaves up high,
and they'll they'll race across that entire flat, get ten
feet past that stick, and take a right and just
try to tangle your lineup on that one thing that
could could make you lose that fish. Pretty impressive stuff. Really,
that's the kind of thing you don't see unless you're
out there. Either, you don't. You don't learn how to

(48:52):
fish by looking at YouTube videos. You might learn how
to tie not looking at a video. But the best
way to learn how to fish is still fishing, and
the best way to learn how to play golf is
still playing golf. And again, if you want to take
lessons and accelerate your curve, there's all kinds of instruction
on the internet now, all kinds of instruction in every sport.

(49:13):
I get a lot of stuff, baseball stuff because my
son's playing ball and I'm on a bunch of lists.
I suppose of that there are things that I might
like to see with using artificial intelligence figure out who
I am. I could just send them a note say no,
I don't like that, don't send me more of that,
and boy that that would shorten my list quick. It
doesn't work that way though, unfortunately. Seven one three two,

(49:34):
one two five seven ninety Email me Doug pick at
iHeartMedia dot com. What do I want to go to?
I want to go back to the golf thing for
a minute. Two That putting off the green is really
probably one of the best shot savers, and I am
going to make it my business to remind myself when

(49:57):
I've got a chance. The old, the old saying was
that you if you want to make a par, you
go ahead and put the ball so you can kind
of get it up and then down pretty safely. But
if you want to make birdie, you gotta chip it.
Even from those type tight lies you got to you
gotta get it over all that garbage. It might throw
it an inch off off the trail and just chip

(50:19):
it up onto the green and then let it roll
out well from super tight lies like a lot of
golf courses set up around the greens. Now it's hard.
It's very hard to chip off that stuff and I
get caught up in it. I'm man. If the ground's
a little bit damp and I'm having to chip off
a tight line, I pucker up so tight I just
I free my muscles. Every muscle in my body freezes

(50:41):
that I'm trying to make that swing. There's no way
I'm going to execute it right, except maybe two out
of ten times. If I'm lucky, I could have just
picked up putter and adjusted my putter speed for how
much whatever it is I had to roll the ball through.
If it looks so tight that you even think about

(51:02):
rolling putter up to try to get the ball close
enough to the hole to where you can just get
up and down from there, then you probably should be
putting the ball. If the grass is longer and you
have to ship it, go ahead and ship it because
that longer lie gives you a better chance of making
good contact anyway before you bought him out. Oh golf

(51:22):
is so tough. That's one of the Hall and I
have talked a couple of times about this, how sudden
and I recently about why we like the game of golf,
and it always comes back to because you never master it.
There are people tiger Woods comes to mind every time
people who came really close to mastering golf. He was

(51:44):
the best on the planet. Tommy just mentioned it a
minute ago. Back in his heyday, there was a ten
year stretch where he didn't enter that many tournaments because
he didn't have to. But the tournaments he entered, his
average finish was second place. His average finish was second place.
He won a bunch, and he didn't win a bunch,

(52:04):
but he didn't have a whole lot of tied for
forty second place. In his heyday, it was either a win,
a runner up, or maybe eight, nine, ten somewhere in there.
I don't know, but I bet he probably has the
most top ten finishes of any golfer. I don't know.
I may look it up during the break, or it
might not. I'll just run with that because it's worth it,

(52:27):
all right. We gotta take a little break here. Look
it up, good, heavens, According to this clock, Melbourne, it's
ten fourteen already, but it's not. It's time for a nap.
No more daylight saving time, man, no more afternoon rounds
of golf. Certainly he might be able to squeeze in
nine if I just dash out of here after fifty
plus over on KPRC. Could probably get out there and

(52:48):
warm up. I don't play well if I don't warm
up anymore. I've conceded that my body won't allow me
to do that, at least not to perform up to
my at least a seventy five percent of my ability,
which much.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
This is Sports Talk seven ninety breaking sports news on
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Speaker 3 (53:07):
We'll get that information to them. This is the Doug
Pipe Show you haven't noticed yet. Today's theme is tell
them Melvin Disco, you know, thinking back on it, back
from the disco days when I was slinging whiskey in
this town and I was actually spinning records. Believe it

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or not. You're aware of that part of my past,
are you not? I sure am, yeah, And ended up
going over there and opening that club in Atlanta. That
was actually fun, it really was. I had a good
time over there and got to meet a lot of
really good people and had a blast, just absolute absolute
blast over there doing that. Very different time in this country,

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for sure. Platform shoes, these silky kind of shirts, gold chains,
and all kinds of bizarre bell bottomed pants and man,
we thought we were something, and I'm sure our parents
thought just like I do about my son and the

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way he and his buddy's dress and the way they
wear their hair and all that stuff. Is what's the
world coming to? Well, it's just coming to another bend
in the road, that's all I guess. It's all it
can be. It'll be different for his generation and generations
to come, just like it's always been different. Kids never

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had it so good, said every parent ever. We didn't
have what you have now, said every parent ever. It's
just the way it works, and hopefully we'll be able
to preserve what makes this country as good as its is.
Fingers crossed, we'll see what happens. Seven one three seven

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ninety Email on me Dougpike at iHeartMedia dot com. There's
a reason, never mind, I don't want to get into
all that. Captain Scott weigh in for Melvin in his
top water stuff or Melvin and getting through the thick stuff.
DAPT seven absolutely agree that is a great lure. It
is a top water bait that probably has more wiggle

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per watt rod twitch. You can if you manipulate the
rod tip just right with that bait. It's it's a
dog walking bait, okay, But you can just give the
slightest little twitches and that thing will dart left four
or five inches, than dart back right four or five inches,
and almost just barely move forward. You can keep it

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right over that little hole in the grass where if
there's a bass anywhere down there looking up and feeling
that vibration, they'll have plenty of time to come get
it before that lure leaves that spot. It's it's pretty amazing.
The great little bait developed by a guy named Mark Nichols,
a guy who started Da Lures long time ago. He
was from here actually, and ended up taking his lure

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company down there to Florida. I don't remember exactly why
he moved down there, but whatever the reason was, he
found it, found a place, found his niche. And between
those shrimp, which Texas fishermen tend not to not to
lean heavily into d o a shrimp, because every every
soft plastic that we throw, you have to put a

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jig head on it and you jiggle it and you
shake it around and you bounce it back and do
all these things with it. And Mark developed that shrimp
to just be to just kind of move on the current.
Just you get on a flat where there's water moving
over the over the flat, and you just throw it
out there and let it kind of drift on the current.
You don't shake it and rattle it and do much

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of anything with it, which is why it also works
pretty well just sitting under a popping corn and you
just tie one to the end of your line, put
a popping cork about three feet above it, get out
somewhere where they're supposed to be some trout and they'll
find it and then eat it. It looks like a shrimp.
It tastes like a shrimp.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
There.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
I've been throwing those things forever, and the hardest part
for me was to learn not to bounce them around.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
Now.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
The one place that I did have to move them
a little bit was down at Corpus at Packery Channel
on an out going tide down there in the in
the early part of the year, early summer part of
the year. Anyway, he could throw that thing out halfway
across the channel with a little put an eighth ounced
jig head on it and then just let it, just
let it wash on the tide, and bang, there they were.

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I was catching trout and pretty much nobody else that
day was That always makes me feel good when I
figure something out and it works, and you just you
just have to know the fisher there. You have to
have the confidence at the fisher there. And I did
that day, and I couldn't figure out what to feed them,
and they just didn't want to eat a regular old jig.
They didn't want to eat anything else. And I put

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that one of those shrimp on an eighth ounced jig
head and it was game on. It was game on.
It got it down just enough, but not to where
it was falling into the rocks and whatnot. It was fun.
Someone three two one two five seven ninety email me
Doug pick at iHeartMedia dot com, Dan ways in if
I could scuba dive. I just thought of a new

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side hustle. Oh, you wouldn't be the first one to
be to be blowing bubbles along the jetties or or
in some place where a lot of lures are getting
hung up. There's a lot of equipment down on the
bottom of the rocks at any any beachfront, jetty, I
guarantee it, man, that stuff's all over the place down

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there on the bottom. Once you get it stuck too,
it's very hard to get it out, especially on the rocks,
because it gets wedged into the rocks. Every now and then.
You can get something out of a tree limb or
whatever on a bass fishing trip. Once that stuff sticks
in the jetti rocks, it's not coming back. Might as
well just go ahead and break your stuff. Start over,
and move on breaking, start over and move on. What

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I'm gonna do right here, let's go back to waterfowl
hunting for just a minute. And one of the things
that we talked about yesterday and I'm gonna bring up
again today for anybody who's fairly new to it, you're
gonna you're gonna have a lot of people at stores
and and you'll you'll start seeing advertisements online a little

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bit for this duck call or that duck call. And
I think it's worth talking about for another couple of
minutes at least, that you don't want to overcall. You
don't want to overcall those birds if you're if you're
blowing loud, long hail call. We had one guy when

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I was guiding out on the Katie Prairie, one guy
who just couldn't help himself, but to blow very long,
drawn out notes. It's like contest calling. There's a big
difference between hunting duck calling and contest duck calling. And
in hunting duck calling, you're trying to impress judges, so

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you got to blow every note. You know, you got
to do every cadence of notes. You know, you just
got to go on and on and on for I
don't know, a minute, two minutes, I don't know how
long they keep having to blow that horn. In the field,
when ducks are coming at you, you don't really need
to blow your duck call unless you are one hundred

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percent confident in the notes you're gonna choose and how
they're gonna affect that bird. And if you're not one
hundred percent confident and the birds are still coming to you,
shut up and watch. Just watch the birds. They'll tell you.
They'll tell you if birds are coming into my spread.
And that kind of goes for ducks and geese too.

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There's a little bit of difference in goose calling. But
if the ducks are coming at me, as long as
they're coming, I'm I'm not gonna do anything to scare
them off. I might do a little baby feed chuckle
to see if they'll if they'll soften up and maybe
lock those wings a little bit sooner, or something like that.
But I'm not gonna be right. It's not it's not

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like a bunch of little kids at recess. They're just
they're ducks, and your decoys are supposed to look like
feeding ducks. And it's not polite to talk with your mouthful.
Think of it that way. So they're not gonna be loud.
They're just gonna be coming on in because it looks
like a good place to stop. Looks like some friends
down there. Let's go check it out and see what's
going on here. As soon as they turn from you,

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When when you can see the south end of a
northbound duck, that's when you need to be calling. That
makes sense, I guess it does. That's when you need
to be calling. And once they start out, Now, if
they're close and they turn away, I'm still not gonna
hit them hard. It's just gonna be a couple of
little subtle quacks, maybe some feed chuckling something like that.

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If you've got pintails or widgets around, use the whistle,
but don't overdo it. Don't don't knock them over. They're
not sitting front row at a Led Zeppelin concert. I
don't want to hear all that. They just want to, hey,
come back. You know, it's pretty fun down here. You
might want to might want to turn around and come back.

Speaker 7 (01:02:14):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
If they get it a little farther out there's seventy
five one hundred yards away and still peddling in the
wrong direction, hit them hard and see if you can't
convince them to turn around. And sometimes they will, sometimes
they won't. But no, when to not call. That's that,
like I talked about yesterday, That's the most important thing
about being a good duck or goose guide, Knowing when

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not to call, knowing when to just let that thing
hang from your neck and just watch and just wait
until it's time. And then one of the most fun
I ever had was with guys who with goose hunters.
I would I would challenge them sometimes if I knew
that the birds didn't want to hear anything, I want to.
I want to show you, guys, how well these birds
will decoy on their own this morning if we just

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shut up and don't look at them, and I'd be
sitting fifteen twenty yards behind them with my dog buried
up in decoys and rags and everything and parks and
have everybody just keep their face down and not move
until I said take them. And most times, if you'd
let those birds work in all by themselves, they wouldn't

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make a sound, and everything on the ground wasn't making
a sound, especially on calm mornings, because call intends to
be just it just shatters their little ear drums. But
all of a sudden, I'd say, okay, I'd just send
a very normal tone, okay, take them, and these guys
would look up and the birds would be like ten
yards over their heads, right in their faces, just right

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out in front of them, because we didn't do anything
to mess them up, just let an unfold. It's a
fun part of nature. There's so much to watch, so
much to learn, and you can't. You can always get better,
and the best way to get better to be out there.
You can watch all the YouTube videos you want, but
if you're missing a sunrise to watch YouTube videos, you're

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on it wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Back to the Doug Pike Show, ten.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Seven on Sports Talk seven ninety Man, I remember all
these songs, I really do. I probably played most of
them trying to fill up a dance floor somewhere, either
here or over in Atlanta. That was Those were fun days,
they really were. There were fun days, and we dressed
like in hindsight it just looks really really goofy you

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go back and watch some of the movies all that stuff.
At it was a different time, no question about it.
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety Email
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Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
I had golf on my mind. I kept twice I
almost said black Horse instead of saying Belleville when I
was talking about Belleville Meet Mario. But two totally different places,
and they're actually, I guess as the crow flies, they're
not that far apart. You could leave from. I think
if you left from black Horse Golf Club, you would
probably be able to hit Belleville Meat Market in about
forty minutes tops, because it's a little over an hour,

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about an hour and twenty hour and a half from
my house somewhere. Yeah, about that, maybe an hour and
forty depending on how fast I'm driving. Posted speed's hour forty.
I think that's about right either way. Both of them
a lot of fun. As you all know. I was
talking to Melvin during the break about that little bait

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that Captain Scott mentioned, the PTE topwater. The hook rides
up in that bait and it is the simplest looking thing.
This is kind of the theme of most of every
lure that Martin Nichols has ever designed, and it's just
it's simplistics. There's nothing fancy about it. The fanciest thing

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about it are the colors they can put in the plastic.
It looks like a it just looks like a three
inch long hot dog. But it's got a waiting system.
It's got a good sized hook that hides from the
weeds and rides up and all you do is just

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you got to learn how to tie loop not or
put a little snap baby swivel on there. Don't put
a big clumsy piece of metal out in front of
that thing. Shame on you if you're using snap swivels
to put your lures on. There are those little twist
on quick tie things. I don't have a problem with
them because they don't really change the weight of a

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typical lure, and I don't think the fish care that much.
But please, no snap swivels. They're just awkward and most
of them are cheaply made, and if you do hook
a big fish, they're going to pull right out of
that lure. And that's the last thing we want with that, right,
talk something about deer hunting. Deer hunting's off to a

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pretty good start. I was hoping folks would call. He
sent me a picture yesterday of a woman behind a
deer that she had taken on a ranch over there
or in East Texas, fairly close to where he lives.
And it's a beast. I haven't looked at it closely
enough to try to score it in my mind, but
it's it's up there, Okay, it's it's stratospheric up there.

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And boy, if that's any indication of the way deer
season is going to go, everybody, hang on tight, Hang
on tight. I know there are a lot of places
that I would like to get this year that I
probably want. There's only so much time, even in a
long deer season like we have. Everybody's got other things
that they have to do. And I'm thrilled that all

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of you who can get out and hunt, or are
doing as much of it as you can. Make sure
you're taking care of that wildlife that's out there too.
If you see something that's messed up, fix it, and
if you can't fix it by yourself, find somebody who
can help you. That goes for keep been fences mended.
It goes for making sure water sources are operating. If

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there's a windmill on the property and it's not working
right and not providing water, then maybe gets at least
let somebody know so that they can come fix that thing.
Maybe we got a little we got a little free
sky water here. The last couple of days, I had
a significant amount of rain at my house. Actually, it

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filled up a good portion of the backyard. I've got
to do some I got to do some work on
my drainage back there. I don't know why it's coming
around the way it's coming, but something's got it different
or just some way somehow I drained it. Of course,
that land's been settling for thirty years now, so the
the original drainage has been out of Some of that's

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been filled up with silt or whatever, and the grass
is grew on top of it. I don't know, but
I'll figure it out at some point. Someone three, let's
see if I got emails. I need to check real
quick before I go to a break. I don't want
to bail out on anybody. He's got a question they
want answered. Um. Yeah, getting the old school woodstream decoys.
Holy cow, that goes back. Here's a little tip. Here's

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a little tip right here. Come on, picture there they are.
He's using tire foam, the old plastic decoys tirefoam to
clean them up. And I gotta tell you, those decoys
that I'm looking at look like they just came out
of the box. Once you wipe the foam off of them,
I'm betting it actually helps preserve the paint too. You

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might want to do that at the end of the
season as well. Who knew you could clean duck decoys
with tire foam?

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
You learn something every day. I just did. On the
way out to this final break of the program. I'll
tell you about we are Sports Talk seven ninety listen
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Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Now more Doug Fike.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
I remember every one of these songs, Mom and Holy cow, man,
I can just envision the two turntables. There would be
one song going out and this one coming in, and
you had to time. You timed both turntables so that
they just came in at the same beat, and the
people on the dance floor never had never had to

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stumble or stop or stutter or anything, and just keep
on grinding, just sweating bullets out there, staying on the
dance floor fifteen to twenty minutes until you finally played
a slow song and shut them down a little bit,
give them a chance to breathe, and cut them up.
Let's go talk to drink. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, you

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got to send them back to the bar forrest. What's up? Man?

Speaker 9 (01:10:46):
Oh man is out here in the shop prepping for
a opening day next week and trying to figure out
where all my duck stuff sat. And you're gonna take
these old woodstream decoys out of retirement.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Yeah, talk about this whole tire shine stuff. How'd you
figure that out?

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
I've been doing that, yeah, man, ever since tirofoam's been
out of it, And you got to use the one that's.

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Also a cleaner.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Okay, but uh, but.

Speaker 9 (01:11:10):
Me and my nephew what we do because we like
to talk to bay a lot, So we'll take our
regular decoys. I'll call all the hens out of my
decoys and then we'll go to garagea stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
You buy older decoys really cheap.

Speaker 9 (01:11:22):
And one day we were just sitting there were a
tire foaming my tires.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I said, bring me a decoy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:27):
Fifteen years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:11:29):
I said, Hey, ain't no more scrubbing with the brush
and the buckets. Man, You just spray them and walk away.
Then I got them all wipe down down like you said,
you think you just bucked them at Oshman's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Yeah, they look pretty good Oshman's. Holy cow, there's a
flash from the past. I remember, Man, that takes me
back to the Ashman's in Sharpstown Center and they sold
surfboards there. They'd like big ten footers, just big monster
longboards for like fifty sixty bucks, and I just I
knew I would just have one of those one day.

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Oh man, I was that takes me bought.

Speaker 9 (01:12:07):
I bought me some new boots at the brand new,
brand new bass Pro shops in Spring.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
That's a beautiful stores. Yeah, they got probably sixty feet
of croppy bait. So I'll be I'll be happy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
I'll be there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Yeah, just just get online and just say, put one
of each in a bag and send me a bill.

Speaker 9 (01:12:23):
Oh yeah, big deer, my my doctor. You know, she
was kind of she shot that dear. She told me
she was shaking two hours after she shot it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I'm sure. Oh my up.

Speaker 9 (01:12:32):
Yeah, she was kind of enough up to the clinic,
come up here and give me a shot. Got me
singing better after she shoes still her cameo blood of Heart.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
So that is so country for as that contract.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
That's my kind of dog.

Speaker 9 (01:12:45):
Out of the deer blind, into the clinic and the cameo,
give me a shot back.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Down the road.

Speaker 9 (01:12:48):
So yeah, yeah, just looking at it, like you said,
haven't I'm not that good at scoring.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
I know you might get a chance to look at
it later.

Speaker 9 (01:12:54):
But looking at it, it looked like it had around nineteen
scorable but it had two drop times that me looked
like their ten inches long.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Yeah, there's a lot of antler account on that beer.
But that place is six miles most of my house.

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Yeah, and your phone didn't ring when she got the invite,
did it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Oh, I'll tell you what a little bit out of
my budget.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
I'm sure the doctors of the world. Yeah, let them
have it. Let them have them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:13:20):
Good for you you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Were talking about. I like your technique on duck shooting.

Speaker 9 (01:13:25):
I kind of, like I said, I grew up watching
Phil Robertson. That's kind of my teacher, him and my dad.
And what I tend to do. I throw my gut
up on her duck's beak and then I snap out
in front of it, get on the beak, follow it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
I snap out in front.

Speaker 9 (01:13:40):
When I get that, and it probably, like you said,
I'll get about that three foot of daylight, I'll snap
out in front of it, squeeze the trigger, and you know,
I'm probably I say, I'm probably seventy five percent shooter
on a average day.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
You know, some days it better than others.

Speaker 9 (01:13:54):
But like like Phil said, like you said, you got
to get out in front him somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah, and see here's what but Gil and VICKI did.
They They get you out in front of it before
you're on your your gun comes up already in front
of the bird, and you're really not that you're not
looking down the barrel, you're looking at the bird and
your gun's coming up. It's something they would have to
show you to make it easier we'd all have to
be at the range, which isn't a bad idea sometime,

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But the long and the short of it is, you
don't have to swing it out in front of it.
It's already where it belongs when you come up. But
you've already cut all of that guessing game out of there.
He just bring it up, match the speed, put it
in the box, and boom done.

Speaker 9 (01:14:35):
Because I take them boys out there, you know, like
you know, like you when I got it, Man, I'm
shoot nighting that out of one hundred clay pigeons, I said, yeah,
you have somebody standing next to you. Throw that straight out?
How many bucks you can kill? Fly away from me
straight out? So you got to throw clays the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Same way you do dunts.

Speaker 9 (01:14:50):
We'd get buying the pistol range burms and throw clays
at you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got you got it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
You gotta shoot like your hunt.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
No doubt. I wish that it would be a SA
safety issue, and it's never gonna happen. But the whole
time I was out there guide and I wish there
was some shooting range somewhere that would allow goose hunters
and prospective goose hunters to come out and shoot from
lying on the ground, because that's what we were doing.

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We're lying on the ground up against a rice levee
or something like that, or maybe against a little backboard.
They're using backboards now where you just kind of lean
back and watch everything unfold in front of you. And
that wouldn't boy, we we'd have taken a lot more
geese if these guys could have.

Speaker 9 (01:15:33):
Shot better, Yeah, because we should have a layout blind
a lot and that's that's a lot to do to
get up, get comfortable and get shot. Man, when you
first tried, you get you get slammed back in that
layout blind.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
On the first shot.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Pretty good?

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Really, yeah, no kidding, man, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
I'm gonna go try I'm gonna go try it.

Speaker 9 (01:15:51):
We go look Friday morning, actually right where Lane lives.
He lived and probably one of the you know, within
a five mile already of some of the best duck
on the lake leve Ooh nice. Are you talking about
a cross from where he is or just kind of across, yeah,
kind of across like in the jungle area and then
up the creeks too.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Yeah too.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
I've killed many, many, many ducks.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
But what are you shooting? Mostly up there.

Speaker 9 (01:16:15):
Mostly a lot of tea, a lot of spoonies, of course,
good good amounts of gad wall.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Yeah, probably a few pintails. But if you ride the hole.

Speaker 9 (01:16:24):
After, you know, the forty five degree Chris Northwestern days,
bluebird skies.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
If you stay after ride the holes in green ads
will show up. You can lay off through the stonies.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
No, that's a hard part. Bird in the hand we
will literally burn. We're worth ten in the sky. Yeah,
but it's so fun to shoot mallards in timber though.

Speaker 9 (01:16:43):
Holy cow, oh, ain't nothing We get back in them
little pothole flus and two.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Three decoys and like I said, I'm just blowing up
mallard drake call oh.

Speaker 9 (01:16:50):
And when they come in there Neptember and thirty yards,
you tend to miss more birds close because your pattern's tiding.
If you know, you just get excited to shoot, you
know you're gonna miss him at twenty yards, leave it
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
So Yeah, my buddy Philip Mount hit a bird coming
dropping into Timber. It's this little place that we used
to hunt and at about maybe maybe six seven yards
off the end of his barrel, we didn't find much.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
You pattered him at theory.

Speaker 9 (01:17:19):
I've seen guys literally shoot a snow goose at point
blank ray and you can see the sky through that
goose when he first shot us, Like, oh oh god, already.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
People are eating breakfast for us. Come on, man, I know,
all right, buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
Sometimes sometimes you got to let them get out there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Yeah, yeah, that, yeah, that's something else that on really
really good decoy and goose days, I had to tell
my guys that too. Don't shoot them, don't shoot the
closest one. Shoot if there's bird bird, if there's birds
from ten yards to thirty yards up above us. When
I call the shot, shoot the thirty yard bird first,
then shoot the twenty when it gets to thirty, then

(01:17:56):
shoot to ten when it gets to thirty. Last, you
got three shots. You can kill three birds. But only
if you start at the top and work your way down.

Speaker 9 (01:18:05):
It's hard to getting rookies uffing candy birds.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Yeah, well they missed so many that didn't. Oh it was.
It was so much fun though. These guys that they
burned through three boxes of shells say hey, man, you
got any shells in your truck? I need some more.
I don't care what I got to pay for them,
And they're having fun. I holy cow, the music started
for us. Thanks for call man. Great hearing from you, Yes, sir, Audios.

(01:18:32):
That's gonna wrap it up. I'm going to be back
in here tomorrow morning early so that I can get
ready to do fifty plus at noon on kPr C.
Do that all week, and then I'll be right back
in this chair come next Saturday. God willing prayers for
my folks who my listeners who are not feeling well.
And I got a couple of you out there right now,

(01:18:53):
and I hope, I hope things turn around. I really
really do you know who you are. I hope you're
listening this morning. If not, we're praying for you. Anyway.
That's it for me today. Get outside, have some fun
with your family. Looks like conditions are going to be
a little bit better than they thought. So if you
can get out, get out. If you can't take the
next opportunity you get, that's it for me. Thanks for playing.

(01:19:14):
Stay safe, Audios.

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