December 2, 2024 • 18 mins
Houston Texans linebacker Azeez Al-Shaair delivered a late hit to Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Trevor Lawrence after Lawrence began a slide to end a run play in the second quarter of Sunday's game. Al-Shaair's violent blow to the head of the defenseless quarterback ignited a brawl as Lawrence left the field with a concussion. Al-Shaair, as well as Jaguars rookie cornerback Jarrian Jones, was ejected. Adam Schefter of ESPN reported the NFL is reviewing the hit and that a suspension is expected for Al-Shaair, but the length of that suspension is yet to be determined. Matt Thomas of "The Matt Thomas Show with Ross" and Dan Mathews of "The A-Team" review the play and debate the possible consequences Al-Shaair will face as the Texans enter a bye week prior to their Week 15 matchup against the Miami Dolphins.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
More Matt Thomas now on Sports Talk seven ninety Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
There's no doubt that Trevor represents that going, Oh my,
let be al Shire who's flagged for the big hit
on the slide and that's going to start a little
bit of a scrum afterwards as the Jaguars coming to
protect their QB. Oh my goodness, this deserves an ejection
in my opinion. Another flag has come down with the
(00:34):
activities on the bench.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
But the bigger concern right now is what's going on
with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
He was taken off the game, out of the game
on a golf cart. Apparently he is okay, but concussed.
To no surprise, ejection came for him and a member
of the Jacksonville Jaguars who got involved in a fight
and absolutely should have done so. I don't document every
(01:01):
time Elsie aushar Ear does something. There has been a
few people that have said that he has had some
questionable plays in the past. I think there was a
fight that he threw a punch and during the Chicago
Bears game, but again, I wouldn't have a long memory
of Alsie's aushar Ear's history of overly physical play I
(01:23):
saw his tweet this morning when I woke up, and
he obviously apologized and said that he had been harassed
on Twitter, which is what Twitter does, is harassed people.
So without trying to get too over the top one
way or the other, it was a dirty hit. It
could have been avoided. I know the game is fast,
I know the game is physical. I know that sliding
(01:45):
for quarterbacks is tough. I know there have been some
people this morning saying that maybe quarterbacks shouldn't slide, because again,
it's you're asking to get hit more than you are
not getting hit. And that's something I think for competition
Committee and probably just for the for coaches to philosophically discuss.
He probably should be suspended for the Miami game. But
and I'm saying this not because I live in Houston,
(02:06):
Texas or I'm a Texans fanners observer. I'm just telling
you that one game suspension for this, plus being kicked
out of the game yesterday, to me, Dan feels like
an appropriate punishment for set offense.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Well it's also too, I mean, you're taking the rational
approach to this, because what a lot of people do
in our industry is they want to rush to social
media and show you just how mortified they are that
somebody would actually do that on the field and how
angry they are, and you know, I mean I saw
a couple of different ones. Like one of them was
(02:38):
that he should be suspended for as long as Trevor
Lawrence is still out, all right, why don't you go
ahead and save that one for another time or maybe
even just not even use it at all. And another
one too is kind of like I was talking about
with the rockets and thunder earlier. I actually saw somebody say, well,
that's what Houston does. What like, what are the Texans
(03:00):
have to do with your jones against the Astros? Like what,
that's what you're allowing for it? And then again, it's
social media. People just have a license to be stupid,
kind of like going through airports. I mean, people just
feel like it's a license to be rude and be
dumb because there's no accountability for it. But no, I
mean everything you said is one hundred percent true. It
was not a good football play. It was a play
(03:21):
that he knows better and probably hindsight, being twenty twenty,
he wouldn't try to.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Make the hit.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
But it's also though too it's football like that happens,
that is going to happen despite your best efforts to
protect everybody.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
The forearm was not was not beyond football. That was
I've got a quarterback or I've got a runner heading
my way.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
I want to I want to make sure he's down.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
What's his job? What's his job to tackle?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
But you don't tackle with forearms typically.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to
slow this down. I don't want to slow it down
to a microsecond, to say, in the heat of the
moment or whatever.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
The case would be.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
What I want to say was it was if you
look at it one hundred times at regular speed, at
fast be at slow speed, it was a dirty hit.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I'm not I'm not disagreeing with the way that it
ended up. Yes, But at the same time, though too,
his jobs to tackle the defense or the offensive player.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That's his job. So I mean, if you want to.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Talk about well anymore.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Fine, But Dan, you can't say by any means necessary
it is necessary, which which is I think what you're
trying to say, bring him down by any means necessary,
that's not That's the NFL has said, you don't do that.
If that's the case, you everybody will be spearing people.
You have to find you have to do it a
proper way, and if you don't do it a proper way,
you're going to face a fifteen yard penalty, or you're
going to face ejection, or you're gonna face I mean
(04:42):
whatever fines or whatever the case may be. There are
certain ramifications. His job is to tackle, his job is
to legally tackle, and that was an illegal tackle that
forced a significant injury, that forced an ejection from the
ball game.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Well, it's also though too, I mean, for everybody, and
I'm going to keep it on point, but also to
the same time, you know, use A different example is
where was all of this hand ringing last year when
c J. Stroud's you know, head bounced off the turf
at Met Life. Nobody was coming after Quentin Williams. No
nobody was saying that he needed to be suspended as
long as c J. Stroud is out any of those
(05:16):
different types of things. So it's like all our selective
outrage that people will throw out during situations like this.
More often than not, it's just about the benefit of
the situation because as he is alshai Er, most people
have no idea who he is, so of course to them,
he's faceless, he's nameless, he's all of these different types
of things that they're going to say, Oh, yeah, no,
(05:36):
there's no place for that in the game.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Give me a break.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
There was no There wasn't a place in the game.
There's no place in the game for what he did yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
There isn't. I'm sorry, there isn't. I mean, but I'm not.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I'm not ready to indict him for the rest of
his NFL career like some other That's what I'm saying.
But there there isn't a There is no oops into
that yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
There was no oops to it.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
That was a ejectionable or ejectable offense.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We'll go with it.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Yeah, that's what it was, and.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
A jectum find them suspect. I mean, finding's not gonna
do anything. You know, you're gonna you're gonna have to
suspend because I mean, this has been yet another offense.
And I saw people posting videos today of I guess
what was it last year a couple of years ago,
he he kind of like choked Tom Brady as he
was going at him on a play. And then of
(06:25):
course you talked about the Bears game. He had the
hard hit of Caleb Williams on the sidelines, then throwing
a punch at a player.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So I mean, I get that.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
You know, it's one of those things that people are
going to look at look for examples of, oh man,
this guy's a dirty player. Here's an example of how
he is a dirty player. But it's also though too
Let the league suspend him and let them handle it
and let it be done.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I mean all of this.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I mean I even saw somebody try to say that
he should be banished from the game, like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
It is, but I'm not letting one.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I'm not letting one fan of the Jacksonville Jaguar is
given a national tone to this. The tone of this
should been nasty hit, illegal hit, ejected, probably suspended for
a game, and hopefully he learned from this. And I
don't know if you have to go much beyond that.
And that's where I think the problem is again. When
(07:17):
you have television and radio and newspapers and fans that
all have platforms to whatever level degree, you're gonna get
a variance of answers. There's nothing universal said. I mean,
there are some people that are defending that's saying that, Trevor. Like,
I was watching ESPN today and they were talking about how,
you know that maybe NFL quarterback should not slide anymore
(07:38):
because you're basically asking for those for two high octane
athletes to collude. At the same time, Well, we're seeing
enough of these slide plays in college football. We're not
seeing we're seeing some collisions, but we're seeing a lot
fewer than we did, say twenty or twenty favor years ago,
when there wasn't a slide rule.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
The slide is supposed to be the I'm giving myself
up for the play. That's what the slide is supposed
to be. So then to tell an offensive guy, because
you know we talk about this all the time, well
the rules they are built for the offensive side of
the football. Maybe so, but also to at the same time,
I mean, if you're going to try to, you know,
have them limit themselves in the way that they play,
(08:20):
then I'm not going to do that on the offensive
side either. Again, you're the slide is to say, Hey,
I'm sliding, I'm giving myself up on this play. I
am no longer a threat to you.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Yeah, I again I don't. The sport is very, very physical.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You and I will definitely agree on that there's no
right way to do it except running out of bounds.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
But that's just not how wark.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
There's a football field and Trevor's trying to get his yards,
but he also realizes, hey, I got to give myself up.
I don't want to be in a situation where I
potentially can get hit and hurt. And an unfortunate happened
because of any illegal play that forced an ejection of
a ball game. And I thought the whole on field
situation was on handled properly. I thought the Texans probably
should have sent him to the sideline as fast as
as possible. The Jaguars ran. I mean, it was a
(09:02):
hot mess about ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
No, it was, And I mean it's an emotional play
and football is an emotional game, and that's going to
happen if you don't take the guy out of the game,
which eventually they did, but it was after there was
the full on brawl in the field. But two at
the same time, I mean, Trevor Lawrence knows the risks
of playing this game as much as anybody. I don't
think there's a single player that goes on to an
(09:26):
NFL field and feels like, Hey, I'm going to absolutely
come off this field and not be injured today. Now
I'm not saying that it makes everything okay, but also
to at the same time he realizes it's a mean,
nasty game.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It can be a physical game.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
And this is one of the things that can happen
from playing this game.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
All right.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
So again, my take on this is not trying to
get into too much of he never should play again,
or he's an awful human being, or he's the worst
person on earth. Is he did something that was highly
illegal and very very dangerous and there has to be
a punishment that goes with it.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
That's my take. What is yours?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety seven
one three two one two five seven nine If you
want to jump into the conversation.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Yeah, it's not unfortunate with the hit with disease. It's
uh and us not what we're coaching. It's just, UH
want to be smart and everything we do and not
hurt the team get a penalty there. We just have
to be smarter when the quarterback is going down. Uh,
just unfortunate play, not representative of who Asease is. Like,
Z's a smart player, really great leader for us, and
(10:32):
you know, we hurt he. We felt his presence not
being there and that he's lost. It really affected us
on the defensive side. Just not what we're coaching. I
didn't want to see the melee and all of the
the aftermath. That's not what we're about. Just uh, not
representative of us. So we know, I'll talk to Disease,
addressing him personally, and we'll move forward from it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Asset answered, I'm you know, I trust him. He going
to get this figured out. Dimiko wasn't a dirty player.
He certainly didn't doesn't coach dirty dirty play.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
It was.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And if it happens again, then Alsi's is going to
find himself in a severe amount of trouble with the
league now only just the team with the league hurts
his team by being ejected. But again, I don't know
Alsie's at all, but my guess is he's not a
vicious human being. He probably feels very bad for what
he did, but there has to be a punishment for
sometimes for even when you feel bad about something and
(11:28):
you can run to social media apologize, but the NFL's
will be like your actions speak louder than your tweets.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Well, I don't think you said that anymore, but you can't.
And that's the thing I mean. He he did deliver
the apology. You mentioned that earlier, but I mean in
terms of acting like this is the only time this
has ever happened in the league, or that this will
never happen again if you severely punish as he's alshayer,
I'm sorry, you're not going to get that conclusion.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
And there's the.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Crazy thing about sports is we celebrate late hits and
pal in sports. What a quarterback gets a late hit
and the flag comes down, what does the crowd do cheers? Well,
I mean immediately we used to even more. I mean,
you know, God, you mentioned the Four Letter Network earlier.
They used to have a segment called Jacked Up. Now, obviously,
with you know, all of the issues they've had with
the head trauma and everything else in the league gets
(12:13):
kind of now a hey, we've got to get away
from that. Well, the types of posts we saw yesterday,
they're not happening as often because there are there are
coaches in the league and there are players in the
league that have prepared themselves for situations like this.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
It's done uneasy, but it has to be done.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But I mean, that's the thing though, too is I mean,
even veteran people who have covered the NFL for a
long time and are saying that that's the dirtiest and
worst hit they've ever seen in their entire life.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I'm sorry, I just don't believe you.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Like That's this has been a violent game ever since,
ever since its inception, and I mean, you're going to
have plays like this again. That's that's just the way
that the NFL and just football is in general.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Well hopefully not, because as soon as it happened yesterday,
it was very scary. It was it was just really
really scary, and I don't ever want to watch a
football game, thinking to myself, that's the last time I
saw a particularly athlete walk or talk and chew gum
any food, And you know.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
It's just it.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It was really ugly the aftermath of it. And oh,
by the way, I thought, I don't know who said
it was. It might have been Darryl Johnson had said this,
I'm all for all that was offsetting penalties. You can't
offset all that because if the Texans player, if that
was c. J. Stroud having that happen to them by
a member of the Jacksonville Jaguars, and you're telling me,
(13:33):
through all that, through all the fights, through the vicious
illegal forearm hit, that the play just never happened.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
That's absurd. There should be.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
A change in the NFL to say, all right, we
can offset the personal foul calls, but there should have
been a penalty on the play for Jacksonville that would
have advanced in fifteen yards.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
So I mean, in terms of like actual real time accountability,
like that's that you've got to make it count for
something that hey, this is what got it started. I
understand the emotions afterwards, but that's what I mean. I
think if nothing else, I do agree with you on that.
I mean, just go ahead and have that penalty be
upheld and tell the officials, hey, look, we understand what
(14:16):
happened afterwards, but we've ejected them, we've given them fifteen yards.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Interact the other guys, don't throw extra flags, just get
rid of them out of the game.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
And again, if the Texans had CJ.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Stroud had that happen to them, and you get nothing
out of that except just the redo of the play.
Football fans would have been would have been really mad.
And if I was, Jacksonville have been mad too. No,
I mean, and now Jacksonville to get the first down
ultimately on the play, I believe, but that was just
it was absurd, offsetting penalties, offsetting of.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
What you had.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
A Jacksonville player came over one to kick Alsi's Ausher's
ass because he you know, he was trying to, you know,
not trying to, but he almost decapitated his quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Well, I mean, that's the thing, is I mean, I
would expect that, Like you said, if something like that
happened to C. J. Shroud, then yeah, you need to
have everybody on the field at the time.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I don't think well Laramie tells him on there and said,
let's go. I'm gonna throw hands right now. I would
expect Larryone Tutsler go, I want to go throw hands.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I think that CJ.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Stroud would probably, in a roundabout way, expect them to
as well.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
David, Missouri City at ten thirty eight on seven ninety David,
good morning.
Speaker 8 (15:19):
Boy, you said beautiful, good morning. Listen. I see these guys.
I'm old man. I'd be up to the La fitness.
I see these guys you know, working out stuff, throwing
fourteen thousand pounds and stuff, you know, and in consecutive workouts.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
If he had to hit that.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
Guy underneath that chan, I wouldn't watch football yet they
could have killed him. If you have to take this
is not a joke. Football is FuMB. When I see
nice clean hits, oh wow, everybody, you know, they groups
see that. You see that and the guy gets up.
Everybody gets up and continue to play. Say, football don't
(15:56):
have to be uh what do you call MMA wrestling?
Come on, stop stop. You don't punch nobody in the faith.
When these out of bounds and stuff, you gotta stop.
You don't twist quarterbacks legs, ankles. You gotta stop that stuff.
The NFL has to get smart and stop this stuff
because somebody gonna get hurt real bad. You're gonna lose
a lot of fans, and it's gonna get a bad
(16:18):
or washer reputation.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Reputation.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
You got me all right, Thanks, thank you very much
for the phone call.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Appreciate. First of all, you're not gonna lose any fans
short of every game being point shaped.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
You're not losing fans. Everybody loves the NFL, not going that's.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Not nobody's nobody's watching a game yesterday going I'm done
with football. I mean, maybe they're one person, but I'm
generally speaking, we all still finish the game, we still
watch the game. And again, the NFL players generally speaking,
have done a better job of making sure plays like
this don't happen on a regular basis. But that's and
that's probably the part of the reason why there's gonna
be a suspension, because there has been a trend where
(16:57):
defensive players have been able to manipulate there somehow some
way to get away from the quarterback who's sliding.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Well, it's also too I mean, you know, one of
the roles that was implemented this year was the hip
drop tackle. But the problem is you have to call
it if indeed, you're going to say, hey, we're putting
an emphasis on this this year, and you haven't done that.
They've done They've they've done well enough in terms of
you know, the helmet to helmet hits, take your head
out of the play, all those different types of things.
That's fine, but you've got to be able to do
(17:24):
this all across the board, then if you're really focused
on player safety, because if that's the case, then it
needs to be emphasized week in and week out with
officiating crews. Hey, we're calling that penalty like it's going
to happen. You have to call it as soon as
you see it. And this is where I mean the
increase of instant replay. We see it in the college
game and I know that people hate it, but it's
(17:46):
also too as well. I mean, if we're going to
say that we're going to try to get this right,
then then get it right.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
They did get it right last night, though that was
exactly that was the appropriate call to be made. I mean,
I know you can go and go to hundreds of
examples of other problems out there, but what we're talking
about yesterday wasn't debatable. There was no way in the
world he should have been able to get away with
that hit and stay in the football game. Call was
made right now the hip drop things been, it's been
a sensitive issue. Joe Mixon would would but would back
(18:12):
you up on that situation.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
By the way, Adam Schefter just a few seconds ago,
it is anticipated that al Shayer will be suspended It's
just the question is how long will the suspension be?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Yeah, I mean I can't argue that. I just can't.
It was.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
It was as nasty as it gets. Again, I'm not
condemning him for the rest of his career. I believe
Alsi's Alshier will hopefully never have that happened again. I
hope this is a huge warning sign for all other
players in his position and in the situations that in
and some of it can be inevitable, but that to me,
at speed, at regular game speed, look like that could
(18:48):
have been avoided. And that's the reason why he's going
to be suspended.
More Matt Thomas now on Sports Talk seven ninety Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
There's no doubt that Trevor represents that going, Oh my,
let be al Shire who's flagged for the big hit
on the slide and that's going to start a little
bit of a scrum afterwards as the Jaguars coming to
protect their QB. Oh my goodness, this deserves an ejection
in my opinion. Another flag has come down with the
(00:34):
activities on the bench.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
But the bigger concern right now is what's going on
with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
He was taken off the game, out of the game
on a golf cart. Apparently he is okay, but concussed.
To no surprise, ejection came for him and a member
of the Jacksonville Jaguars who got involved in a fight
and absolutely should have done so. I don't document every
(01:01):
time Elsie aushar Ear does something. There has been a
few people that have said that he has had some
questionable plays in the past. I think there was a
fight that he threw a punch and during the Chicago
Bears game, but again, I wouldn't have a long memory
of Alsie's aushar Ear's history of overly physical play I
(01:23):
saw his tweet this morning when I woke up, and
he obviously apologized and said that he had been harassed
on Twitter, which is what Twitter does, is harassed people.
So without trying to get too over the top one
way or the other, it was a dirty hit. It
could have been avoided. I know the game is fast,
I know the game is physical. I know that sliding
(01:45):
for quarterbacks is tough. I know there have been some
people this morning saying that maybe quarterbacks shouldn't slide, because again,
it's you're asking to get hit more than you are
not getting hit. And that's something I think for competition
Committee and probably just for the for coaches to philosophically discuss.
He probably should be suspended for the Miami game. But
and I'm saying this not because I live in Houston,
(02:06):
Texas or I'm a Texans fanners observer. I'm just telling
you that one game suspension for this, plus being kicked
out of the game yesterday, to me, Dan feels like
an appropriate punishment for set offense.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Well it's also too, I mean, you're taking the rational
approach to this, because what a lot of people do
in our industry is they want to rush to social
media and show you just how mortified they are that
somebody would actually do that on the field and how
angry they are, and you know, I mean I saw
a couple of different ones. Like one of them was
(02:38):
that he should be suspended for as long as Trevor
Lawrence is still out, all right, why don't you go
ahead and save that one for another time or maybe
even just not even use it at all. And another
one too is kind of like I was talking about
with the rockets and thunder earlier. I actually saw somebody say, well,
that's what Houston does. What like, what are the Texans
(03:00):
have to do with your jones against the Astros? Like what,
that's what you're allowing for it? And then again, it's
social media. People just have a license to be stupid,
kind of like going through airports. I mean, people just
feel like it's a license to be rude and be
dumb because there's no accountability for it. But no, I
mean everything you said is one hundred percent true. It
was not a good football play. It was a play
(03:21):
that he knows better and probably hindsight, being twenty twenty,
he wouldn't try to.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Make the hit.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
But it's also though too it's football like that happens,
that is going to happen despite your best efforts to
protect everybody.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
The forearm was not was not beyond football. That was
I've got a quarterback or I've got a runner heading
my way.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
I want to I want to make sure he's down.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
What's his job? What's his job to tackle?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
But you don't tackle with forearms typically.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to
slow this down. I don't want to slow it down
to a microsecond, to say, in the heat of the
moment or whatever.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
The case would be.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
What I want to say was it was if you
look at it one hundred times at regular speed, at
fast be at slow speed, it was a dirty hit.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I'm not I'm not disagreeing with the way that it
ended up. Yes, But at the same time, though too,
his jobs to tackle the defense or the offensive player.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That's his job. So I mean, if you want to.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Talk about well anymore.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Fine, But Dan, you can't say by any means necessary
it is necessary, which which is I think what you're
trying to say, bring him down by any means necessary,
that's not That's the NFL has said, you don't do that.
If that's the case, you everybody will be spearing people.
You have to find you have to do it a
proper way, and if you don't do it a proper way,
you're going to face a fifteen yard penalty, or you're
going to face ejection, or you're gonna face I mean
(04:42):
whatever fines or whatever the case may be. There are
certain ramifications. His job is to tackle, his job is
to legally tackle, and that was an illegal tackle that
forced a significant injury, that forced an ejection from the
ball game.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Well, it's also though too, I mean, for everybody, and
I'm going to keep it on point, but also to
the same time, you know, use A different example is
where was all of this hand ringing last year when
c J. Stroud's you know, head bounced off the turf
at Met Life. Nobody was coming after Quentin Williams. No
nobody was saying that he needed to be suspended as
long as c J. Stroud is out any of those
(05:16):
different types of things. So it's like all our selective
outrage that people will throw out during situations like this.
More often than not, it's just about the benefit of
the situation because as he is alshai Er, most people
have no idea who he is, so of course to them,
he's faceless, he's nameless, he's all of these different types
of things that they're going to say, Oh, yeah, no,
(05:36):
there's no place for that in the game.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Give me a break.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
There was no There wasn't a place in the game.
There's no place in the game for what he did yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
There isn't. I'm sorry, there isn't. I mean, but I'm not.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
I'm not ready to indict him for the rest of
his NFL career like some other That's what I'm saying.
But there there isn't a There is no oops into
that yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
There was no oops to it.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
That was a ejectionable or ejectable offense.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
We'll go with it.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Yeah, that's what it was, and.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
A jectum find them suspect. I mean, finding's not gonna
do anything. You know, you're gonna you're gonna have to
suspend because I mean, this has been yet another offense.
And I saw people posting videos today of I guess
what was it last year a couple of years ago,
he he kind of like choked Tom Brady as he
was going at him on a play. And then of
(06:25):
course you talked about the Bears game. He had the
hard hit of Caleb Williams on the sidelines, then throwing
a punch at a player.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So I mean, I get that.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
You know, it's one of those things that people are
going to look at look for examples of, oh man,
this guy's a dirty player. Here's an example of how
he is a dirty player. But it's also though too
Let the league suspend him and let them handle it
and let it be done.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I mean all of this.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I mean I even saw somebody try to say that
he should be banished from the game, like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
It is, but I'm not letting one.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I'm not letting one fan of the Jacksonville Jaguar is
given a national tone to this. The tone of this
should been nasty hit, illegal hit, ejected, probably suspended for
a game, and hopefully he learned from this. And I
don't know if you have to go much beyond that.
And that's where I think the problem is again. When
(07:17):
you have television and radio and newspapers and fans that
all have platforms to whatever level degree, you're gonna get
a variance of answers. There's nothing universal said. I mean,
there are some people that are defending that's saying that, Trevor. Like,
I was watching ESPN today and they were talking about how,
you know that maybe NFL quarterback should not slide anymore
(07:38):
because you're basically asking for those for two high octane
athletes to collude. At the same time, Well, we're seeing
enough of these slide plays in college football. We're not
seeing we're seeing some collisions, but we're seeing a lot
fewer than we did, say twenty or twenty favor years ago,
when there wasn't a slide rule.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
The slide is supposed to be the I'm giving myself
up for the play. That's what the slide is supposed
to be. So then to tell an offensive guy, because
you know we talk about this all the time, well
the rules they are built for the offensive side of
the football. Maybe so, but also to at the same time,
I mean, if you're going to try to, you know,
have them limit themselves in the way that they play,
(08:20):
then I'm not going to do that on the offensive
side either. Again, you're the slide is to say, Hey,
I'm sliding, I'm giving myself up on this play. I
am no longer a threat to you.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Yeah, I again I don't. The sport is very, very physical.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
You and I will definitely agree on that there's no
right way to do it except running out of bounds.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
But that's just not how wark.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
There's a football field and Trevor's trying to get his yards,
but he also realizes, hey, I got to give myself up.
I don't want to be in a situation where I
potentially can get hit and hurt. And an unfortunate happened
because of any illegal play that forced an ejection of
a ball game. And I thought the whole on field
situation was on handled properly. I thought the Texans probably
should have sent him to the sideline as fast as
as possible. The Jaguars ran. I mean, it was a
(09:02):
hot mess about ten minutes.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
No, it was, And I mean it's an emotional play
and football is an emotional game, and that's going to
happen if you don't take the guy out of the game,
which eventually they did, but it was after there was
the full on brawl in the field. But two at
the same time, I mean, Trevor Lawrence knows the risks
of playing this game as much as anybody. I don't
think there's a single player that goes on to an
(09:26):
NFL field and feels like, Hey, I'm going to absolutely
come off this field and not be injured today. Now
I'm not saying that it makes everything okay, but also
to at the same time he realizes it's a mean,
nasty game.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It can be a physical game.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
And this is one of the things that can happen
from playing this game.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
All right.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
So again, my take on this is not trying to
get into too much of he never should play again,
or he's an awful human being, or he's the worst
person on earth. Is he did something that was highly
illegal and very very dangerous and there has to be
a punishment that goes with it.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
That's my take. What is yours?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Seven one three two one two five seven ninety seven
one three two one two five seven nine If you
want to jump into the conversation.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Yeah, it's not unfortunate with the hit with disease. It's
uh and us not what we're coaching. It's just, UH
want to be smart and everything we do and not
hurt the team get a penalty there. We just have
to be smarter when the quarterback is going down. Uh,
just unfortunate play, not representative of who Asease is. Like,
Z's a smart player, really great leader for us, and
(10:32):
you know, we hurt he. We felt his presence not
being there and that he's lost. It really affected us
on the defensive side. Just not what we're coaching. I
didn't want to see the melee and all of the
the aftermath. That's not what we're about. Just uh, not
representative of us. So we know, I'll talk to Disease,
addressing him personally, and we'll move forward from it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Asset answered, I'm you know, I trust him. He going
to get this figured out. Dimiko wasn't a dirty player.
He certainly didn't doesn't coach dirty dirty play.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
It was.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And if it happens again, then Alsi's is going to
find himself in a severe amount of trouble with the
league now only just the team with the league hurts
his team by being ejected. But again, I don't know
Alsie's at all, but my guess is he's not a
vicious human being. He probably feels very bad for what
he did, but there has to be a punishment for
sometimes for even when you feel bad about something and
(11:28):
you can run to social media apologize, but the NFL's
will be like your actions speak louder than your tweets.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Well, I don't think you said that anymore, but you can't.
And that's the thing I mean. He he did deliver
the apology. You mentioned that earlier, but I mean in
terms of acting like this is the only time this
has ever happened in the league, or that this will
never happen again if you severely punish as he's alshayer,
I'm sorry, you're not going to get that conclusion.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
And there's the.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Crazy thing about sports is we celebrate late hits and
pal in sports. What a quarterback gets a late hit
and the flag comes down, what does the crowd do cheers? Well,
I mean immediately we used to even more. I mean,
you know, God, you mentioned the Four Letter Network earlier.
They used to have a segment called Jacked Up. Now, obviously,
with you know, all of the issues they've had with
the head trauma and everything else in the league gets
(12:13):
kind of now a hey, we've got to get away
from that. Well, the types of posts we saw yesterday,
they're not happening as often because there are there are
coaches in the league and there are players in the
league that have prepared themselves for situations like this.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
It's done uneasy, but it has to be done.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But I mean, that's the thing though, too is I mean,
even veteran people who have covered the NFL for a
long time and are saying that that's the dirtiest and
worst hit they've ever seen in their entire life.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I'm sorry, I just don't believe you.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Like That's this has been a violent game ever since,
ever since its inception, and I mean, you're going to
have plays like this again. That's that's just the way
that the NFL and just football is in general.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Well hopefully not, because as soon as it happened yesterday,
it was very scary. It was it was just really
really scary, and I don't ever want to watch a
football game, thinking to myself, that's the last time I
saw a particularly athlete walk or talk and chew gum
any food, And you know.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
It's just it.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It was really ugly the aftermath of it. And oh,
by the way, I thought, I don't know who said
it was. It might have been Darryl Johnson had said this,
I'm all for all that was offsetting penalties. You can't
offset all that because if the Texans player, if that
was c. J. Stroud having that happen to them by
a member of the Jacksonville Jaguars, and you're telling me,
(13:33):
through all that, through all the fights, through the vicious
illegal forearm hit, that the play just never happened.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
That's absurd. There should be.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
A change in the NFL to say, all right, we
can offset the personal foul calls, but there should have
been a penalty on the play for Jacksonville that would
have advanced in fifteen yards.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
So I mean, in terms of like actual real time accountability,
like that's that you've got to make it count for
something that hey, this is what got it started. I
understand the emotions afterwards, but that's what I mean. I
think if nothing else, I do agree with you on that.
I mean, just go ahead and have that penalty be
upheld and tell the officials, hey, look, we understand what
(14:16):
happened afterwards, but we've ejected them, we've given them fifteen yards.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Interact the other guys, don't throw extra flags, just get
rid of them out of the game.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
And again, if the Texans had CJ.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Stroud had that happen to them, and you get nothing
out of that except just the redo of the play.
Football fans would have been would have been really mad.
And if I was, Jacksonville have been mad too. No,
I mean, and now Jacksonville to get the first down
ultimately on the play, I believe, but that was just
it was absurd, offsetting penalties, offsetting of.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
What you had.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
A Jacksonville player came over one to kick Alsi's Ausher's
ass because he you know, he was trying to, you know,
not trying to, but he almost decapitated his quarterback.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Well, I mean, that's the thing, is I mean, I
would expect that, Like you said, if something like that
happened to C. J. Shroud, then yeah, you need to
have everybody on the field at the time.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I don't think well Laramie tells him on there and said,
let's go. I'm gonna throw hands right now. I would
expect Larryone Tutsler go, I want to go throw hands.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I think that CJ.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Stroud would probably, in a roundabout way, expect them to
as well.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
David, Missouri City at ten thirty eight on seven ninety David,
good morning.
Speaker 8 (15:19):
Boy, you said beautiful, good morning. Listen. I see these guys.
I'm old man. I'd be up to the La fitness.
I see these guys you know, working out stuff, throwing
fourteen thousand pounds and stuff, you know, and in consecutive workouts.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
If he had to hit that.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
Guy underneath that chan, I wouldn't watch football yet they
could have killed him. If you have to take this
is not a joke. Football is FuMB. When I see
nice clean hits, oh wow, everybody, you know, they groups
see that. You see that and the guy gets up.
Everybody gets up and continue to play. Say, football don't
(15:56):
have to be uh what do you call MMA wrestling?
Come on, stop stop. You don't punch nobody in the faith.
When these out of bounds and stuff, you gotta stop.
You don't twist quarterbacks legs, ankles. You gotta stop that stuff.
The NFL has to get smart and stop this stuff
because somebody gonna get hurt real bad. You're gonna lose
a lot of fans, and it's gonna get a bad
(16:18):
or washer reputation.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Reputation.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
You got me all right, Thanks, thank you very much
for the phone call.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Appreciate. First of all, you're not gonna lose any fans
short of every game being point shaped.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
You're not losing fans. Everybody loves the NFL, not going that's.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Not nobody's nobody's watching a game yesterday going I'm done
with football. I mean, maybe they're one person, but I'm
generally speaking, we all still finish the game, we still
watch the game. And again, the NFL players generally speaking,
have done a better job of making sure plays like
this don't happen on a regular basis. But that's and
that's probably the part of the reason why there's gonna
be a suspension, because there has been a trend where
(16:57):
defensive players have been able to manipulate there somehow some
way to get away from the quarterback who's sliding.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Well, it's also too I mean, you know, one of
the roles that was implemented this year was the hip
drop tackle. But the problem is you have to call
it if indeed, you're going to say, hey, we're putting
an emphasis on this this year, and you haven't done that.
They've done They've they've done well enough in terms of
you know, the helmet to helmet hits, take your head
out of the play, all those different types of things.
That's fine, but you've got to be able to do
(17:24):
this all across the board, then if you're really focused
on player safety, because if that's the case, then it
needs to be emphasized week in and week out with
officiating crews. Hey, we're calling that penalty like it's going
to happen. You have to call it as soon as
you see it. And this is where I mean the
increase of instant replay. We see it in the college
game and I know that people hate it, but it's
(17:46):
also too as well. I mean, if we're going to
say that we're going to try to get this right,
then then get it right.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
They did get it right last night, though that was
exactly that was the appropriate call to be made. I mean,
I know you can go and go to hundreds of
examples of other problems out there, but what we're talking
about yesterday wasn't debatable. There was no way in the
world he should have been able to get away with
that hit and stay in the football game. Call was
made right now the hip drop things been, it's been
a sensitive issue. Joe Mixon would would but would back
(18:12):
you up on that situation.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
By the way, Adam Schefter just a few seconds ago,
it is anticipated that al Shayer will be suspended It's
just the question is how long will the suspension be?
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Yeah, I mean I can't argue that. I just can't.
It was.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
It was as nasty as it gets. Again, I'm not
condemning him for the rest of his career. I believe
Alsi's Alshier will hopefully never have that happened again. I
hope this is a huge warning sign for all other
players in his position and in the situations that in
and some of it can be inevitable, but that to me,
at speed, at regular game speed, look like that could
(18:48):
have been avoided. And that's the reason why he's going
to be suspended.
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Therapy Gecko
An unlicensed lizard psychologist travels the universe talking to strangers about absolutely nothing. TO CALL THE GECKO: follow me on https://www.twitch.tv/lyleforever to get a notification for when I am taking calls. I am usually live Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays but lately a lot of other times too. I am a gecko.