September 10, 2024 • 7 mins
Closing their series against Arizona on Sunday, the Astros finish 2-1, losing the last game of the series 12-6. Following that loss, Justin Verlander started on the bump for the Astros but still looks to be getting back to his norm of things. Can we expect Verlander to start in the postseason?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The hottest takes in Hughes Forest.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So emotionally tied to the team.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
DeShawn Salisbury, show continues.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hright, that's got one sports Talk seven ninety h.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Officially, the Browns in the NFL have declined comment on
this suit. That coming from one of the beat writers
from Cleveland, Mary Kay Cabot.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Swear she been on this for a long time. I
swear when you said I was going to say be writer,
Mary Kay's on this, I'll beat you. There you go,
she tweeted out.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
The Browns and the NFL have declined comment on the
suit filed against Deshaun Watson on Monday. Surprise you, no curse, No,
not at all. Seven seven ninety is the number to
join us. Get back ot to the phone lines. Don
welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hey man, how you doing the Deshaun Watson thing. I
wouldn't doubt it, So I'm not even going to respond
to that thing. Hey, I'm going to talk about some
hard news that we need to talk about here.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I like for y'all responding. That's the Justin Burle. You know,
the back of his baseball card is really awesome. Up
to now, his last two Stars of sugar Land plus
the two stars he's had with the Astros has showed
that his eer A is nine point five eight. But
that's over the last two games he had with the Astros.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You add in.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Sugar Land and it's over twelve. I would really like
to see a decision made by the Astros that Verlander
just to go ahead and need to have a neck
injury or next stepness or whatever and go out on
his own accord. Right now. I hope Justin Verlander makes
his own decision that he needs to step down and
(01:37):
just be a mentor to these younger pitchers that we
have right now, because you know, we've watched his last
two games and Verlander just doesn't have it. But like
I said, the back of his baseball card is really awesome.
But hey, that don't put a ring on your finger today. Man,
Sorry about that, guys, but I'll just hang up and
listen to you. Guys.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You're not done. No need to be sorry. It's not
personal for just for you Justin Verlander me, it's not personal.
Back of the baseball cards awesome, don't care about that.
We've talked to Steve Sparks. I'll tell you what he
said in a second on the show on Monday. But
I think both Brian and I agree that if you
playoffs started today, you can't. He's not in your starting rotation. Can't.
(02:16):
I don't care what the Baseball card says. Oh yeah,
he's got history. You owe it to him. No, you don't.
You don't know. He didn't know what I'm not saying him.
But when he left to New York, he didn't know
it to him to stay for less money. Right, he
won't got more money. I don't blame him, come in here,
love him. I want the guy to get three hundred wins.
I love him right now. He's not one of your
four best starters. He just isn't now what they are
(02:38):
going to do. And one thing I can tell you
don that's not going to happen him bowing out and
saying I think I'll go. He's got there's some goals
he wants to reach, and he's not bound out from
this because I think his competitive would say, since he's healthy,
that he's bailing out on the team. He wouldn't want
that perception, right, He's not doing that now. He may
end up in the bullpen for the postseason. But if
Steve Sparks pointed out, we got what three or four
(02:59):
more starts, Let's see what happens. And Steve also pointed
out the velocity was up about three miles an hour,
about three three ticks. It was up, So now movement
and locating then all that comes into play. But don
you may not get him in the postseason as a starter,
And I'm with you right now, I would not start
him in the postseason regardless of his history during the
regular season and is a great pitcher and a guy
(03:21):
have admiration, respect for performance. Says you can't. But what
if it changes and he looks like Verlander the next
four starts, three starts, then you're going. Then then you
now you've got a decision to make right now. To me,
there is no decision. It's an easy one. It's fromber
it's Hunter Brown, and it's Kokuchi. The first three. The
(03:42):
fourth guy's in the battle, him and Spencer Arraghetti and
even Renelle Blanco. But he's he's he's he's labored more
in the second half of the season because you know,
innings and all the things he's doing. So Verlander to me,
has to pick it up in the next three or
four starts or you can't start him. We already know
who the three archs two left. He's in a riety
(04:02):
and the rioty's name is Hunter Brown, not Justin Verlander. Now,
if in three starts, it picks up and he's v
lows up and he's kicking ass and doing his thing,
no problem, Justin Verlander. That's where the back of the
baseball card validates. Oh, Okay, we knew this guy. But
if anybody knows his body knows how to pitch through
this stuff, it's him. But I'm not giving the Lifetime
Achievement award. It's got to prove it the next three
(04:22):
or four weeks to get a start in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, he has to perform, and he hasn't. Except for fact,
I don't all think he'd I mean a competitor he is.
I don't think he'd tell you he's pitching his best either.
He's a pretty he's a pretty straightforward dude when it
comes to this. Yeah, he said the results of his
outing where he pitched just three innings, he said the
results were atrocious. So he knows it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Hence why he's a great player over the course of
the time, Because you know what, it's easy to be
great when they hey, yeah, thumbs up, great performance. It's
when you're critically yourself knowing that I'm just not doing
what I normally have to do. It's gonna have to
get better because lifetime Achievement award isn't part of success
in twenty twenty four. If he pulls through the next
(05:01):
three or four weeks, I have no issue running him
out there at all as a starter. But right now
I know who the three are in my opinion, and
again it's fromber first round, second, Kakuchi third.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You can decide. We'll see Aragedtty's bounce back tonight, we'll
see Verlander's next art. But he's not bailing out before
the season starts unless he gets hurt. He's gonna finish
his starts.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, And Dana Brown told us last week that they
know that he's in quote unquote spring training mode. You
may not like it, but that's what the front office
is telling us. So he's trying to they's not going
to be pitched through that. Yeah, there's not gonna be
any kind of phantom il stint before the playoffs or
nothing like that just came off the IOLs.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Now, if he becomes the Justin Verlander monster. We know, hell,
no issue here, because if it doesn't work out in
three innings in I can go to Blanco or one
or Arraghetty and have them long relief and give me
three or so innings if I need it. So I
think that's fine. But you're trying to get your starting
staff to get you to six innings regardless, so I'm
(06:04):
willing to let Verlander. I don't think Verlander's performance is
going to decide whether you win the division or not.
There's enough good pitching now. If he pitches three in
eight innings, gives up eight runs and three innings and
can't get anybody out, no minimal swing and miss, Right,
what do you say, three whiffs in the whole time?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Four?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Four is the entire game? Three innings, right? Yeah? So yeah,
And it's never personal, so you don't have to apologize
for saying sorry, guys, but I think most people would
agree with you right now.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You can't start him, No, in the postseason, No, you can't.
It's just not happening, agreed. And he's got to figure
it out because they're gonna need him. So that's also
a guarantee, right, gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
All right.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
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Talk seven ninety. But let me tell you about Kobe
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(07:02):
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(07:24):
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(07:46):
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The hottest takes in Hughes Forest.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So emotionally tied to the team.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
DeShawn Salisbury, show continues.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hright, that's got one sports Talk seven ninety h.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Officially, the Browns in the NFL have declined comment on
this suit. That coming from one of the beat writers
from Cleveland, Mary Kay Cabot.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Swear she been on this for a long time. I
swear when you said I was going to say be writer,
Mary Kay's on this, I'll beat you. There you go,
she tweeted out.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
The Browns and the NFL have declined comment on the
suit filed against Deshaun Watson on Monday. Surprise you, no curse, No,
not at all. Seven seven ninety is the number to
join us. Get back ot to the phone lines. Don
welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hey man, how you doing the Deshaun Watson thing. I
wouldn't doubt it, So I'm not even going to respond
to that thing. Hey, I'm going to talk about some
hard news that we need to talk about here.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I like for y'all responding. That's the Justin Burle. You know,
the back of his baseball card is really awesome. Up
to now, his last two Stars of sugar Land plus
the two stars he's had with the Astros has showed
that his eer A is nine point five eight. But
that's over the last two games he had with the Astros.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You add in.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Sugar Land and it's over twelve. I would really like
to see a decision made by the Astros that Verlander
just to go ahead and need to have a neck
injury or next stepness or whatever and go out on
his own accord. Right now. I hope Justin Verlander makes
his own decision that he needs to step down and
(01:37):
just be a mentor to these younger pitchers that we
have right now, because you know, we've watched his last
two games and Verlander just doesn't have it. But like
I said, the back of his baseball card is really awesome.
But hey, that don't put a ring on your finger today. Man,
Sorry about that, guys, but I'll just hang up and
listen to you. Guys.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You're not done. No need to be sorry. It's not
personal for just for you Justin Verlander me, it's not personal.
Back of the baseball cards awesome, don't care about that.
We've talked to Steve Sparks. I'll tell you what he
said in a second on the show on Monday. But
I think both Brian and I agree that if you
playoffs started today, you can't. He's not in your starting rotation. Can't.
(02:16):
I don't care what the Baseball card says. Oh yeah,
he's got history. You owe it to him. No, you don't.
You don't know. He didn't know what I'm not saying him.
But when he left to New York, he didn't know
it to him to stay for less money. Right, he
won't got more money. I don't blame him, come in here,
love him. I want the guy to get three hundred wins.
I love him right now. He's not one of your
four best starters. He just isn't now what they are
(02:38):
going to do. And one thing I can tell you
don that's not going to happen him bowing out and
saying I think I'll go. He's got there's some goals
he wants to reach, and he's not bound out from
this because I think his competitive would say, since he's healthy,
that he's bailing out on the team. He wouldn't want
that perception, right, He's not doing that now. He may
end up in the bullpen for the postseason. But if
Steve Sparks pointed out, we got what three or four
(02:59):
more starts, Let's see what happens. And Steve also pointed
out the velocity was up about three miles an hour,
about three three ticks. It was up, So now movement
and locating then all that comes into play. But don
you may not get him in the postseason as a starter,
And I'm with you right now, I would not start
him in the postseason regardless of his history during the
regular season and is a great pitcher and a guy
(03:21):
have admiration, respect for performance. Says you can't. But what
if it changes and he looks like Verlander the next
four starts, three starts, then you're going. Then then you
now you've got a decision to make right now. To me,
there is no decision. It's an easy one. It's fromber
it's Hunter Brown, and it's Kokuchi. The first three. The
(03:42):
fourth guy's in the battle, him and Spencer Arraghetti and
even Renelle Blanco. But he's he's he's he's labored more
in the second half of the season because you know,
innings and all the things he's doing. So Verlander to me,
has to pick it up in the next three or
four starts or you can't start him. We already know
who the three archs two left. He's in a riety
(04:02):
and the rioty's name is Hunter Brown, not Justin Verlander. Now,
if in three starts, it picks up and he's v
lows up and he's kicking ass and doing his thing,
no problem, Justin Verlander. That's where the back of the
baseball card validates. Oh, Okay, we knew this guy. But
if anybody knows his body knows how to pitch through
this stuff, it's him. But I'm not giving the Lifetime
Achievement award. It's got to prove it the next three
(04:22):
or four weeks to get a start in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, he has to perform, and he hasn't. Except for fact,
I don't all think he'd I mean a competitor he is.
I don't think he'd tell you he's pitching his best either.
He's a pretty he's a pretty straightforward dude when it
comes to this. Yeah, he said the results of his
outing where he pitched just three innings, he said the
results were atrocious. So he knows it.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Hence why he's a great player over the course of
the time, Because you know what, it's easy to be
great when they hey, yeah, thumbs up, great performance. It's
when you're critically yourself knowing that I'm just not doing
what I normally have to do. It's gonna have to
get better because lifetime Achievement award isn't part of success
in twenty twenty four. If he pulls through the next
(05:01):
three or four weeks, I have no issue running him
out there at all as a starter. But right now
I know who the three are in my opinion, and
again it's fromber first round, second, Kakuchi third.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You can decide. We'll see Aragedtty's bounce back tonight, we'll
see Verlander's next art. But he's not bailing out before
the season starts unless he gets hurt. He's gonna finish
his starts.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, And Dana Brown told us last week that they
know that he's in quote unquote spring training mode. You
may not like it, but that's what the front office
is telling us. So he's trying to they's not going
to be pitched through that. Yeah, there's not gonna be
any kind of phantom il stint before the playoffs or
nothing like that just came off the IOLs.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Now, if he becomes the Justin Verlander monster. We know, hell,
no issue here, because if it doesn't work out in
three innings in I can go to Blanco or one
or Arraghetty and have them long relief and give me
three or so innings if I need it. So I
think that's fine. But you're trying to get your starting
staff to get you to six innings regardless, so I'm
(06:04):
willing to let Verlander. I don't think Verlander's performance is
going to decide whether you win the division or not.
There's enough good pitching now. If he pitches three in
eight innings, gives up eight runs and three innings and
can't get anybody out, no minimal swing and miss, Right,
what do you say, three whiffs in the whole time?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Four?
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Four is the entire game? Three innings, right? Yeah? So yeah,
And it's never personal, so you don't have to apologize
for saying sorry, guys, but I think most people would
agree with you right now.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You can't start him, No, in the postseason, No, you can't.
It's just not happening, agreed. And he's got to figure
it out because they're gonna need him. So that's also
a guarantee, right, gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
All right.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
We'll continue to talk astros next right here on Sports
Talk seven ninety. But let me tell you about Kobe
Stevens Golf Apparel and their new high Roller collection. You
feel lucky, We'll get over to Kobe Stevens dot com
and check out the new high Roller collection. With this
new collection, you'll look like a high roller out on
the green, or when you hit the tables, they might
give you a little extra luck, you know why. You
(07:02):
know how when you go over to Kobe Stevens dot
com and you buy yourself a couple of polos or
t shirts or whatever the case is in that full catalog,
it's not just a golf brand. It's a lifestyle brand
for everyone. So you can rock this new high Roller collection,
throw that bad boy on, hit the casino, go on
a day, whatever you're gonna do, you're gonna look fantastic
in it, best looking, best fitting polos around in us
(07:24):
right there at Kobe Stevens dot com. Don't forget about
the new fishing Outdoor collection that has just been launched,
So head over to Kobe Stevens dot com today, or
you can go by and visit the showroom see all
the Polos, T shirts, shorts, pants, joggers, hats, Ladies Line,
youth Line, and of course the Super Savings section up
to seventy five percent off and plenty more. Kobe Stevens
(07:46):
Golf pair of Kobe Stevens dot com Look good, feel good,
play good Kobe Stevens Golf Apparel
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