July 2, 2024 • 21 mins
With football season around the corner, professional offensive line coach Jim Turner joins the show in talks of the significance the offensive line holds. With training camps set to begin in just a few weeks, Jim sheds the importance of the offensive lines throughout the semi and pro leagues.
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Saul Grey ol Bright. Okay,let's do this. Sewn Salisbury, there
to usc truths. Longtime friend,Shawn Salisbury, Brian Lima, go Lobos.
This is the Sean Salisbury Show.We're gonna welcome in long time offensive
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line coach Jim Turner to the program. Yeah, and you know what,
Brian, we spend so much timetalking about perimeter people, and rightfully so.
But without these guys and their continuityand they're doing their job, the
rest of the guys, obviously,their game falls off. He's coached thirty
plus years. He's coached all Americans, he's recruited all Americans, he's coached
first round draft picks, he's coachedPro bowlers, and I think he's one
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of the best teachers of this positionand coaches on the planet. Jim Turner
joins us now, coach, welcomein. It's always great to have you
and love having your insight on andbefore we get to your camps and he
teaches camps and these guys can learna great deal. We'll get to that
and where you can find it.I want to talk about offensive line play
from the get go. What's thedifference between a decade ago and now with
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offensive line play. Sean, thanksfor having me on, man. I
really appreciate you any time. Man. Yeah, I'll tell you the big
I would say this, I lovethem to do a study on this whole
thing with rogers and quarterbacks and skillguys missing camp. I don't think there's
a lot of offensive linemen missing camp. It's just a whole different mentality,
a whole different position, as youknow. You know, I would say
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the difference from years ago to nowwith offensive line play is I just think
that there was a mentality twenty yearsago, ten years ago that's a little
bit different than today. It wasa little bit rougher back in the day,
and I think there was a lotmore detail being coached ten fifteen years
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ago than there is today at thisposition, especially at the lower levels that
like at the at the Pop Warnerand the high school level. There's a
lot of spread offenses out today,right, so you don't see a lot
of the two back and in reality, right like back to back to back.
In the seventies, eighties, nineties, there was a lot of two
back offenses, whether they were NFL, high school, college, and so
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you had to start from square one, you know, and teach the position
from base defense to nickel defense todime defense and right now, but today,
you know, you don't even startwith base defense. You really start
with nickel at just about every singlelevel where you have eleven personnel, one
back, one tight end, andthen the three wide outs all that.
So, uh, it's just differentthat way. There's so much for these
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kids to learn, you know,Like I when I do my camps and
all that I bring to the parents, everybody always keeps the parents out of
it. I do the exact opposite. So when the kid comes in,
like I have a son, it'sa junior in high school, and he
plays hockey and football, and soI want to know who's coaching him.
So I love to sit there forfive minutes. I don't I'm obviously I'm
not going to hover over the kid, right, but I do want to
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see what they're teaching them. SoI invite the parents to come in,
and and there's some of my biggestadvocates, the moms and all that other
stuff. They're like, they didn'trealize so much went in to just this
position, and people don't in thisposition, as you know, Sean,
it's incredible the amount of knowledge.Some of these linemen have to have to
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do a good job and you know, and to consistently play at a high
level all the time. And coachJim Turner long time, thirty plus years
experience coaching this position, is coachsome of the best in the league and
I think one of the best teachersat the position on the planet. A
and M fans you know him veryvery well, and we'll get to his
camp. And jim you mentioned aboutfirst off, the lingo. I want
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parents to hear what I'm teaching themtoo, so they understand going home and
talking the lingo and get what somebody'stelling you. But I want to get
back to we talking about spread offenses, you know, and we go into
practice. I'm a big believer andkind of you practice the way you play
the way you practice. And Jimmyyou talked about the physicality. Are we
at a point now that in trainingcamps are shorter? You know, we
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want players to be better, Yetwe we've shortened training camp, We've shortened
teaching opportunities and relationships. So withthat, how do you get a team
physically? I mean when I talkabout physically, punch a team in the
mouth, when you're playing against andin spread offenses, with spread out defenses,
and you're in a two point stancemore than you are in a three
point stance, how do you transferthat and turn that light switch on come
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Saturdays and Sundays if you're practicing againstwhat I would perceive finesse type of football
all week long. Right, Soyou know, my most recent NFL job
was with the Bengals back in nineteenand twenty, right, And so just
so you know, like when yousit in those meetings and you're getting ready
for the draft, you know,as recent as that speaking about you know,
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in the context that you just mentioned, you know, when you're recruiting
a kid or when you're going todraft a player and he's never been in
a three point stance, you knowyou're projecting. You know, it's almost
like a quarterback that's that hands offninety percent of the time, you only
see him throw ten percent of thetime. Right, So how do you
really know? You know? Andso it is different. You know,
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when you're drafting a guy, thereis a lot more projection as because when
you get to the NFL, asyou know, okay, you are going
to be in a three point stance. You are going to play in a
three point stance and your quarterback isgoing to be under center the majority of
the time, you know, notmaybe not the majority anymore, but at
least fifty percent of the time,and you've got to be able to come
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out of that stance. And somy big thing with all the kids is
with all the high school kids,college kids, NFL guys, is and
you know this, you have tobe able to do more than one thing
at this position. It's not likea quarterback or receiver. You know,
you have to be able to domore than one thing. And so what
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does that mean. That means ifyou if you're a right tackle and that's
what you play, you got topractice at left tackle on your own time.
So so when something happens, especiallyin the NFL, because you only
go to a game with eight guys. Now I've coached in the NFL games
when you went to the game withseven guys, seven linemen, and so
if somebody gets hurt, you gotto be able to play another positions.
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So every single time I have theopportunity to talk to somebody, or if
I was coaching them myself, Iwould all like I used to get my
chops busted down. In Miami,when I was coaching for the Dolphins,
the media used to go bananas becauseduring camp I would switch all their positions
right, I'd move this tackle tothe other tackle. I'd move the right
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guard to left guard. And ofcourse, the players love you for it
because they know what you're doing.So it's not like they're fighting you in
the locker room they're like, whyis he doing it? They loved it
because you explained it to them,said, listen, I'm trying to get
you on the field. I'm tryingto get you to be one of the
seven guys that are there. They'replaying on game day, and so it
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really is that part of it.When I do my camps, that's a
big part of what I teach themis listen, you gotta you've gotta practice
at your position. I understand that, and you gotta win your position,
right because they're all competing for jobs. So I don't delude to me either
by telling them, hey, yougotta practice everything. I do tell them,
hey, you gotta be ready todo your job. And when they
come to the camp, I letthem play just one side. You play
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your side, But I do tellthem, hey, a big part of
this whole thing, especially today wheneverybody's just used to being in a two
point stance and that's all they dois the spread offenses. I tell them,
you've got to put yourself in theseother positions and practice like I do.
Make them do a lot of stancesand starts at both positions, a
lot of kicksliding in both positions.So that is a big part of it.
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The other part that you mentioned wasjust the physical toughness end of it,
you know, Like I'll say tothe kids sometimes and I can't believe
I'm saying it because I can't believeI'm the age I am right now.
But I'll say to them, listen, we went because people are moaning after
you think them outside for an hourand the right and you're like, you
only practice one time a day.I'm like, listen, I've been to
triple sessions in my life, right, And I said, and you're hitting
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in all three sessions. I meanit now. I wasn't healthy back then
either, right, that all thatstuff wasn't totally healthy. But there is
a fine line in the middle,and I think that line is very reachable,
you know. But you do likethe physicality part of it, as
you know, you know, likeyou look at some of these teams,
you know, like the old Alabamateams and the old Penn State teams and
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all these teams back in the day, they did practice hard and they were
physical at practice, and a lotof that does transfer to game day right,
a lot of because it's just theway you become. You just become
that physically tough low. So thereis a line there, yep, no
doubt. Longtime NFL college thirty plusyears coaching some of the best players.
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Offensive line coach Jim Turner joins ushere on the Shawn salsby Shawn Sports Talk
seven ninety. This Texans team realquick, not to just be specific on
a player, but they they youknow, seven wins different from the year
before. They are headed in theright direction with a great quarterback. So
when you talk about the Tunsils andyou know, the Titus Howards and putting
a line together, if I said, Jim, I need to know the
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three traits in order that an offensiveline men or offensive line group have to
have for you to for them tobe successful. What are the three traits
that you need for your guy orguys to be successful. Yeah. So
I just think at every at thisposition, and I just think if I
as a head coach, at everyposition, there has to be an absolute
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passion and love for the game.Oh, he's not going to understand the
lingo. He's not going to understandyou know. It's like I say to
my son, I said, Mike, you can give the girl a million
roses and a million bots of chocolates, and if she'd all love you,
she don't love you. Right,It's just the way it is, right
and so and to me, it'sthe same thing if you got to talk
him into showing up on the fieldevery day, okay, and you got
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to talk him into playing hard onall that. So soon as you find
yourself trying to talk somebody into it, he doesn't belong there. He doesn't
want it. And and so thatto me is the number one. Now
that's that's for every position, ofcourse. And I spend a ton of
time in college, okay, likeI would, I would tell kids.
Instead of greasing them and tell himpromising them stuff, I always challenge them.
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And I would tell him, Isaid, there's no way you're going
to come here and play right away. First of all, that would be
unethical to me to say that,and the guy that's started in front of
you, that's not right for meto say that. You know, would
you want me to say that,you know, to somebody that you were
a starter? Right? So youknow it's not something that it is.
Even in my lingo, I reallydo a lot of research as to whether
or not they love the game.The second part of everything would be that
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the athletic ability. They've got tohave the athletic ability, you know,
so, because that's another part.Of course, the most frustrating thing is
trying to talk somebody into it,trying to talk somebody into loving it.
The second toughest thing as a coachis when you have a player there and
he just can't do it, andso you know, like you put him
for workout, you do all thesethings, and then when you do get
the game there or like in theNFL, when you get there or college,
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when you get there, you inheritthe players and you know, I
remember when I first got to Aand M with Mike Sherman. I was
like I was coaching this kid andcoaching this kid and coaching this kid on
kick slide and all that, andfinally Mike Sherman was like, Jimmy,
why you spending so much time withhim on that? And I was like,
well, because I'm trying to gethim ready to play. He's like,
he can't do it. He can'tget out there. He said,
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just make it through the storm becauseit was our first year at A and
m you know, and so hewas like, we gotta we gotta survive
with him, make it through thestorm. He can't get out there.
And so, you know that justthat just helps you realize, Hey,
there's only you know, a guy, you know, like for instance,
that you can I can train twentyfour to seven, okay, a three
sixty five on dunk in a basketball. I can't dunk. It's not gonna
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change, right, you know,it's not gonna change. And the last
thing and very important, right,So those are those are intangibles right there.
The other thing is is the smartokay, because it's the it's the
other most frustrating thing whenever I geta kid that can talk football, and
that's another big part of my camp. When kids come in, you know,
I just give them a whole It'salmost like an NFL deal where I
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give them a rundown on how totalk football. And you know, like
today, just like you said,it's so much ten personnel. You know,
they don't even know the numbers anymore. Like they don't even know even
to the right, art to theleft right. So when you start to
talk football with them, it's canbe really frustrating, you know, because
I'm like, all right, doeseverybody I'm gonna talk plays now? Does
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everybody in the system of even tothe right art to the left, and
so you know, and half ofthem are like three quarter of them are
like, no, I don't haveany numbers. It's just one word names,
which is fine. You know,it's all that Tip Kelly offense stuff
that's come in to play and that'sfine, right, But it's just different,
you know, it's just different.And there's so much that goes into
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you know, play in this position. And it's complex as that it may
be, it really ends up beingreally simple when you break it down,
right, Like in the run game, you either blocking zone, gapro man
and they all have basic roles.And in the past game you're either in
a man protection, you're one onone, or you're in a slide and
in the end that really is whatyou do for work. And then it
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just becomes you knowing where you're supposedto go and then going there as hard
as you can with the talent andthe size to perform. You know,
that whole mentality you mentioned, right, Sean, Like when the I love
this part of my college days.You go and sit in their homes and
you talk them in to coming tothe A and M you know what I
mean. And so you're really nicein the mom and dada there and you're
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eating dinner and all that stuff,right, and then the day they showed
up to camp, right, Ialways loved it. They showed up to
camp, and all the vets lovethis part of it because as soon as
they get there, you're totally different. Now you're yourself. And I remember
looking out at them and just,you know, because you're really hard on.
I remember looking out at their facesand I'm saying, you guys,
don't get it to you. Igo, that was the recruiting me.
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This is the real meat, rightright, this is the real be,
the one you see in right now. And then I always finished it and
I said, by the way,your mother's chickens sucked, right, And
you know just to show them.Hey, listen, that was the sales
part of we We tried to getyou to come here and so and we
did. Like Mike Sherman was agreat recruiter three and m he did a
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great job there. He brought insome great players. Like you said,
we had five first round draft pickoffensive lineman there. He had Johnny Manziel,
Mike Evans, all those guys.But that whole part of it,
just that mentality part of it withthese guys, it is a different position,
and it's definitely a different position todayoffensive line wise. Man, no
quarterback on the planet will ever complainabout great offensive linemen that are nasty.
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And I'll give him a good mealand let them go dominate and they're happy
as as hell and pat them onthe back. And you're as good a
teachers. What's that, Jim,go ahead, yeah, Mike, Mike
Camp Like, that's one thing Isaid to my wife. I said,
listen, I said at this camp, I said, I want, I
said, lineman think differently. Isaid, it's not like other positions,
totally different. And I said thefirst thing they think about is food,
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right, And I said, soI want them when they leave here,
I want. The first thing outof their mouths to their parents is the
food was incredible. There you go. So I did it last week and
they love the food. And youknow it's not even complex food, right.
Like I said to my wife,I said, you don't have to
get all fancy with these guys.They go just hot dogs, burger stuff.
And so their favorite lunch was justbasic hot dogs. We put hot
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dogs with brown beans on the tableand they weren't absolutely ballistic, right,
And so I told him, Isaid, nobody, we don't run out
of hot dogs. So cooking extratwenty hot dogs for all I care.
Just make sure you don't run out. Those are guys, man, Those
offensive linemen the best on the planet, and they don't need a lot just
to pat on the back and feedthem good and let them go do their
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thing and wear people at all.Right, Jimmy, Jim turned one of
the great offensive coaches and teachers onthe planet. Has elite and exclusive elite
camps, and you've done a couplealready, but I know there's still three
more to go with the July camps, the two July camps, and in
the late July August camp, Jimit's right there in college station. There's
not a lot of spots open,so you gotta get it. And you're
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gonna get elite teaching for a guywho's tell some of the best on the
planet. So tell them where theycan find out and what's gonna go on
quickly at this camp gym so theycan get there and get as good at
teaching as they're gonna get. So. I have the next camp that's coming
up, right, it's just mybasic I have an O line camp in
the run game, so it's allrun blocking and it's any offense, right,
So it's all the basic run blockingrules, so it's every offense.
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It's July eighth and ninth, okay, And you can sign up for that
okay at jtdashol dot com. Justgo to JT dashol dot com. And
my first session is July eighth andninth, and that's gonna be a run
game camp okay. And it goesfrom nine to three thirty every day,
okay for the two days, andthen we take Wednesday off and I have
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a second camp, which is gonnabe a pass protection camp on July eleventh
and twelfth. That Thursday and Fridayand again. You register at jtdsho well
dot com and you can sign upright there. I take walk ups all
the time, so you can walkup too. If you didn't sign up
on time, don't worry about it, just walk up there and sign up.
And then I also have my Elitecamp and my Elite camp. Okay,
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is I have six players at acamp and you stay for four nights,
and it's right at my house.Okay, you stay for four nights,
and I have two sessions during theday, right you get up.
First session for an hour is videoright there. I got a whole video
set up at my house like mostof us do. And then we do
a walk through out in the backin the back of my basketball court for
forty five minutes. And then wetravel to practice for an hour and twenty
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minutes, and I come back,eat lunch and do the same thing again,
and then we do a walk througha video at nighttime. It's incredible.
It's three it's four nights, threedays. And then my dates.
You know I'm gonna do one onJuly fifteenth through the eighteenth, July twenty
second through the twenty fifth, inJuly twenty ninth through August first, here's
the other thing, right, andyou sign up for that, okay,
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by just you have to call mefor that one. So I got a
phone number for you six one sevennine one three three four six five again
six one seven nine one three threefour six five. And if you called
me up right and you said,hey, listen, we can't do those
dates, but we'd like to seeif you could do. Uh, we
got five linemen for your three linemenfor you, and we'd like to have
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you do these dates. The oddsof me doing that are really good.
I got called by six high schoolsthis spring when I was coaching in the
UFL and they said, hey,we can't come to your camp, but
can you come to ours and andand teach our alignment? I said,
of course I can't. And solike I did that at Marble Falls,
I did that at Little Cypress,Morrisville. I did that at Arlington,
Sageine, Princeton. So I didnumerous places where I actually went out to
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them and coached their kids. Soit's been fantastic. You know, I've
really enjoyed doing it. Jimmy.What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna post
this and I'm gonna keep the number. I'll give the website and UH and
the number regularly for your camps becauseI think undertaught is this position nowadays.
I do, and I, folks, I'm just telling you I've been around
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some of the best in the worldand the guy is as good as there
is. And this I say thiswhen when when Gym's not around, is
that if you want to go,get in those elite camps as well.
The reason why there's only six kidsis because he wants to be hands on,
because he wants to teach you theway it's supposed to be done.
Jimmy, I will pub it again. It's six one seven, nine,
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one three, three, four sixtyfive. And if you can't make those
dates, call him up and maybethere's four or five of you that need
another date. And this guy lovescoaching as much as anybody I've ever been
around. And my man, let'sdo this again. As we get lated
to train, I'd love to haveyou talk offensive line play throughout the season
and pub your camps because I knowwhat you teach and uh, I know
you watch all of it and we'dget some great insight from you in the
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fall as well. And anything Ican do for you. I'm he brother,
you know that I appreciate it.It sean, you know, like
even even with the with the Texans, you know, I mean I went
after I looked at Titus Howard whenI was coaching for the Bengals, right
went out and spent the whole daywith Titus Love Titus loved the kid.
I mean, he's there's something thereand I know he's I know he's been
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playing up and down and so on, but he's a good football player and
there's something there that they can geta lot out of him. Where's his
truest position, Jimmy, real quick, we got about fifteen seconds. If
you were going to line him up? Is he a right tackle? Is
he an interwork with you said,that's his position where he can excel?
What is it? I would probablysay right tackle? And the reason is
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is because you know, he's he'sjust lacks experience right because he played a
lot of tight end and quarterback backin his youth, you know what I'm
saying, and so going inside forhim is not easy and it slows the
guy down him. Thank did hisphone cut off? It? Did you
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know? Multi multi all that stuff? He needs to stay at one spot
yep. And I think that that'swhat's going to happen. And once they
get that continuity, this team's goingto be dangerous with he and Tunsil as
their bookends. Jim, great stuff, brother, anytime. Love to have
you on and we will talk againthe phone number six one seven nine one
three three four sixty five. Youwill not get better offensive line hands on
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teaching than this guy right here,Jim Turner. Jim, thanks brother.
I appreciate you. Thank you,Sean, I appreciate you. We'll talk
to him, brother, Thank you. Great Jim Turner. We'll come back
and discuss next Sports Talk seven ninety
Saul Grey ol Bright. Okay,let's do this. Sewn Salisbury, there
to usc truths. Longtime friend,Shawn Salisbury, Brian Lima, go Lobos.
This is the Sean Salisbury Show.We're gonna welcome in long time offensive
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line coach Jim Turner to the program. Yeah, and you know what,
Brian, we spend so much timetalking about perimeter people, and rightfully so.
But without these guys and their continuityand they're doing their job, the
rest of the guys, obviously,their game falls off. He's coached thirty
plus years. He's coached all Americans, he's recruited all Americans, he's coached
first round draft picks, he's coachedPro bowlers, and I think he's one
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of the best teachers of this positionand coaches on the planet. Jim Turner
joins us now, coach, welcomein. It's always great to have you
and love having your insight on andbefore we get to your camps and he
teaches camps and these guys can learna great deal. We'll get to that
and where you can find it.I want to talk about offensive line play
from the get go. What's thedifference between a decade ago and now with
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offensive line play. Sean, thanksfor having me on, man. I
really appreciate you any time. Man. Yeah, I'll tell you the big
I would say this, I lovethem to do a study on this whole
thing with rogers and quarterbacks and skillguys missing camp. I don't think there's
a lot of offensive linemen missing camp. It's just a whole different mentality,
a whole different position, as youknow. You know, I would say
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the difference from years ago to nowwith offensive line play is I just think
that there was a mentality twenty yearsago, ten years ago that's a little
bit different than today. It wasa little bit rougher back in the day,
and I think there was a lotmore detail being coached ten fifteen years
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ago than there is today at thisposition, especially at the lower levels that
like at the at the Pop Warnerand the high school level. There's a
lot of spread offenses out today,right, so you don't see a lot
of the two back and in reality, right like back to back to back.
In the seventies, eighties, nineties, there was a lot of two
back offenses, whether they were NFL, high school, college, and so
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you had to start from square one, you know, and teach the position
from base defense to nickel defense todime defense and right now, but today,
you know, you don't even startwith base defense. You really start
with nickel at just about every singlelevel where you have eleven personnel, one
back, one tight end, andthen the three wide outs all that.
So, uh, it's just differentthat way. There's so much for these
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kids to learn, you know,Like I when I do my camps and
all that I bring to the parents, everybody always keeps the parents out of
it. I do the exact opposite. So when the kid comes in,
like I have a son, it'sa junior in high school, and he
plays hockey and football, and soI want to know who's coaching him.
So I love to sit there forfive minutes. I don't I'm obviously I'm
not going to hover over the kid, right, but I do want to
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see what they're teaching them. SoI invite the parents to come in,
and and there's some of my biggestadvocates, the moms and all that other
stuff. They're like, they didn'trealize so much went in to just this
position, and people don't in thisposition, as you know, Sean,
it's incredible the amount of knowledge.Some of these linemen have to have to
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do a good job and you know, and to consistently play at a high
level all the time. And coachJim Turner long time, thirty plus years
experience coaching this position, is coachsome of the best in the league and
I think one of the best teachersat the position on the planet. A
and M fans you know him veryvery well, and we'll get to his
camp. And jim you mentioned aboutfirst off, the lingo. I want
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parents to hear what I'm teaching themtoo, so they understand going home and
talking the lingo and get what somebody'stelling you. But I want to get
back to we talking about spread offenses, you know, and we go into
practice. I'm a big believer andkind of you practice the way you play
the way you practice. And Jimmyyou talked about the physicality. Are we
at a point now that in trainingcamps are shorter? You know, we
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want players to be better, Yetwe we've shortened training camp, We've shortened
teaching opportunities and relationships. So withthat, how do you get a team
physically? I mean when I talkabout physically, punch a team in the
mouth, when you're playing against andin spread offenses, with spread out defenses,
and you're in a two point stancemore than you are in a three
point stance, how do you transferthat and turn that light switch on come
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Saturdays and Sundays if you're practicing againstwhat I would perceive finesse type of football
all week long. Right, Soyou know, my most recent NFL job
was with the Bengals back in nineteenand twenty, right, And so just
so you know, like when yousit in those meetings and you're getting ready
for the draft, you know,as recent as that speaking about you know,
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in the context that you just mentioned, you know, when you're recruiting
a kid or when you're going todraft a player and he's never been in
a three point stance, you knowyou're projecting. You know, it's almost
like a quarterback that's that hands offninety percent of the time, you only
see him throw ten percent of thetime. Right, So how do you
really know? You know? Andso it is different. You know,
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when you're drafting a guy, thereis a lot more projection as because when
you get to the NFL, asyou know, okay, you are going
to be in a three point stance. You are going to play in a
three point stance and your quarterback isgoing to be under center the majority of
the time, you know, notmaybe not the majority anymore, but at
least fifty percent of the time,and you've got to be able to come
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out of that stance. And somy big thing with all the kids is
with all the high school kids,college kids, NFL guys, is and
you know this, you have tobe able to do more than one thing
at this position. It's not likea quarterback or receiver. You know,
you have to be able to domore than one thing. And so what
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does that mean. That means ifyou if you're a right tackle and that's
what you play, you got topractice at left tackle on your own time.
So so when something happens, especiallyin the NFL, because you only
go to a game with eight guys. Now I've coached in the NFL games
when you went to the game withseven guys, seven linemen, and so
if somebody gets hurt, you gotto be able to play another positions.
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So every single time I have theopportunity to talk to somebody, or if
I was coaching them myself, Iwould all like I used to get my
chops busted down. In Miami,when I was coaching for the Dolphins,
the media used to go bananas becauseduring camp I would switch all their positions
right, I'd move this tackle tothe other tackle. I'd move the right
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guard to left guard. And ofcourse, the players love you for it
because they know what you're doing.So it's not like they're fighting you in
the locker room they're like, whyis he doing it? They loved it
because you explained it to them,said, listen, I'm trying to get
you on the field. I'm tryingto get you to be one of the
seven guys that are there. They'replaying on game day, and so it
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really is that part of it.When I do my camps, that's a
big part of what I teach themis listen, you gotta you've gotta practice
at your position. I understand that, and you gotta win your position,
right because they're all competing for jobs. So I don't delude to me either
by telling them, hey, yougotta practice everything. I do tell them,
hey, you gotta be ready todo your job. And when they
come to the camp, I letthem play just one side. You play
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your side, But I do tellthem, hey, a big part of
this whole thing, especially today wheneverybody's just used to being in a two
point stance and that's all they dois the spread offenses. I tell them,
you've got to put yourself in theseother positions and practice like I do.
Make them do a lot of stancesand starts at both positions, a
lot of kicksliding in both positions.So that is a big part of it.
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The other part that you mentioned wasjust the physical toughness end of it,
you know, Like I'll say tothe kids sometimes and I can't believe
I'm saying it because I can't believeI'm the age I am right now.
But I'll say to them, listen, we went because people are moaning after
you think them outside for an hourand the right and you're like, you
only practice one time a day.I'm like, listen, I've been to
triple sessions in my life, right, And I said, and you're hitting
(08:05):
in all three sessions. I meanit now. I wasn't healthy back then
either, right, that all thatstuff wasn't totally healthy. But there is
a fine line in the middle,and I think that line is very reachable,
you know. But you do likethe physicality part of it, as
you know, you know, likeyou look at some of these teams,
you know, like the old Alabamateams and the old Penn State teams and
(08:28):
all these teams back in the day, they did practice hard and they were
physical at practice, and a lotof that does transfer to game day right,
a lot of because it's just theway you become. You just become
that physically tough low. So thereis a line there, yep, no
doubt. Longtime NFL college thirty plusyears coaching some of the best players.
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Offensive line coach Jim Turner joins ushere on the Shawn salsby Shawn Sports Talk
seven ninety. This Texans team realquick, not to just be specific on
a player, but they they youknow, seven wins different from the year
before. They are headed in theright direction with a great quarterback. So
when you talk about the Tunsils andyou know, the Titus Howards and putting
a line together, if I said, Jim, I need to know the
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three traits in order that an offensiveline men or offensive line group have to
have for you to for them tobe successful. What are the three traits
that you need for your guy orguys to be successful. Yeah. So
I just think at every at thisposition, and I just think if I
as a head coach, at everyposition, there has to be an absolute
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passion and love for the game.Oh, he's not going to understand the
lingo. He's not going to understandyou know. It's like I say to
my son, I said, Mike, you can give the girl a million
roses and a million bots of chocolates, and if she'd all love you,
she don't love you. Right,It's just the way it is, right
and so and to me, it'sthe same thing if you got to talk
him into showing up on the fieldevery day, okay, and you got
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to talk him into playing hard onall that. So soon as you find
yourself trying to talk somebody into it, he doesn't belong there. He doesn't
want it. And and so thatto me is the number one. Now
that's that's for every position, ofcourse. And I spend a ton of
time in college, okay, likeI would, I would tell kids.
Instead of greasing them and tell himpromising them stuff, I always challenge them.
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And I would tell him, Isaid, there's no way you're going
to come here and play right away. First of all, that would be
unethical to me to say that,and the guy that's started in front of
you, that's not right for meto say that. You know, would
you want me to say that,you know, to somebody that you were
a starter? Right? So youknow it's not something that it is.
Even in my lingo, I reallydo a lot of research as to whether
or not they love the game.The second part of everything would be that
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the athletic ability. They've got tohave the athletic ability, you know,
so, because that's another part.Of course, the most frustrating thing is
trying to talk somebody into it,trying to talk somebody into loving it.
The second toughest thing as a coachis when you have a player there and
he just can't do it, andso you know, like you put him
for workout, you do all thesethings, and then when you do get
the game there or like in theNFL, when you get there or college,
(11:05):
when you get there, you inheritthe players and you know, I
remember when I first got to Aand M with Mike Sherman. I was
like I was coaching this kid andcoaching this kid and coaching this kid on
kick slide and all that, andfinally Mike Sherman was like, Jimmy,
why you spending so much time withhim on that? And I was like,
well, because I'm trying to gethim ready to play. He's like,
he can't do it. He can'tget out there. He said,
(11:26):
just make it through the storm becauseit was our first year at A and
m you know, and so hewas like, we gotta we gotta survive
with him, make it through thestorm. He can't get out there.
And so, you know that justthat just helps you realize, Hey,
there's only you know, a guy, you know, like for instance,
that you can I can train twentyfour to seven, okay, a three
sixty five on dunk in a basketball. I can't dunk. It's not gonna
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change, right, you know,it's not gonna change. And the last
thing and very important, right,So those are those are intangibles right there.
The other thing is is the smartokay, because it's the it's the
other most frustrating thing whenever I geta kid that can talk football, and
that's another big part of my camp. When kids come in, you know,
I just give them a whole It'salmost like an NFL deal where I
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give them a rundown on how totalk football. And you know, like
today, just like you said,it's so much ten personnel. You know,
they don't even know the numbers anymore. Like they don't even know even
to the right, art to theleft right. So when you start to
talk football with them, it's canbe really frustrating, you know, because
I'm like, all right, doeseverybody I'm gonna talk plays now? Does
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everybody in the system of even tothe right art to the left, and
so you know, and half ofthem are like three quarter of them are
like, no, I don't haveany numbers. It's just one word names,
which is fine. You know,it's all that Tip Kelly offense stuff
that's come in to play and that'sfine, right, But it's just different,
you know, it's just different.And there's so much that goes into
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you know, play in this position. And it's complex as that it may
be, it really ends up beingreally simple when you break it down,
right, Like in the run game, you either blocking zone, gapro man
and they all have basic roles.And in the past game you're either in
a man protection, you're one onone, or you're in a slide and
in the end that really is whatyou do for work. And then it
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just becomes you knowing where you're supposedto go and then going there as hard
as you can with the talent andthe size to perform. You know,
that whole mentality you mentioned, right, Sean, Like when the I love
this part of my college days.You go and sit in their homes and
you talk them in to coming tothe A and M you know what I
mean. And so you're really nicein the mom and dada there and you're
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eating dinner and all that stuff,right, and then the day they showed
up to camp, right, Ialways loved it. They showed up to
camp, and all the vets lovethis part of it because as soon as
they get there, you're totally different. Now you're yourself. And I remember
looking out at them and just,you know, because you're really hard on.
I remember looking out at their facesand I'm saying, you guys,
don't get it to you. Igo, that was the recruiting me.
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This is the real meat, rightright, this is the real be,
the one you see in right now. And then I always finished it and
I said, by the way,your mother's chickens sucked, right, And
you know just to show them.Hey, listen, that was the sales
part of we We tried to getyou to come here and so and we
did. Like Mike Sherman was agreat recruiter three and m he did a
(14:24):
great job there. He brought insome great players. Like you said,
we had five first round draft pickoffensive lineman there. He had Johnny Manziel,
Mike Evans, all those guys.But that whole part of it,
just that mentality part of it withthese guys, it is a different position,
and it's definitely a different position todayoffensive line wise. Man, no
quarterback on the planet will ever complainabout great offensive linemen that are nasty.
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And I'll give him a good mealand let them go dominate and they're happy
as as hell and pat them onthe back. And you're as good a
teachers. What's that, Jim,go ahead, yeah, Mike, Mike
Camp Like, that's one thing Isaid to my wife. I said,
listen, I said at this camp, I said, I want, I
said, lineman think differently. Isaid, it's not like other positions,
totally different. And I said thefirst thing they think about is food,
(15:11):
right, And I said, soI want them when they leave here,
I want. The first thing outof their mouths to their parents is the
food was incredible. There you go. So I did it last week and
they love the food. And youknow it's not even complex food, right.
Like I said to my wife,I said, you don't have to
get all fancy with these guys.They go just hot dogs, burger stuff.
And so their favorite lunch was justbasic hot dogs. We put hot
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dogs with brown beans on the tableand they weren't absolutely ballistic, right,
And so I told him, Isaid, nobody, we don't run out
of hot dogs. So cooking extratwenty hot dogs for all I care.
Just make sure you don't run out. Those are guys, man, Those
offensive linemen the best on the planet, and they don't need a lot just
to pat on the back and feedthem good and let them go do their
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thing and wear people at all.Right, Jimmy, Jim turned one of
the great offensive coaches and teachers onthe planet. Has elite and exclusive elite
camps, and you've done a couplealready, but I know there's still three
more to go with the July camps, the two July camps, and in
the late July August camp, Jimit's right there in college station. There's
not a lot of spots open,so you gotta get it. And you're
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gonna get elite teaching for a guywho's tell some of the best on the
planet. So tell them where theycan find out and what's gonna go on
quickly at this camp gym so theycan get there and get as good at
teaching as they're gonna get. So. I have the next camp that's coming
up, right, it's just mybasic I have an O line camp in
the run game, so it's allrun blocking and it's any offense, right,
So it's all the basic run blockingrules, so it's every offense.
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It's July eighth and ninth, okay, And you can sign up for that
okay at jtdashol dot com. Justgo to JT dashol dot com. And
my first session is July eighth andninth, and that's gonna be a run
game camp okay. And it goesfrom nine to three thirty every day,
okay for the two days, andthen we take Wednesday off and I have
(17:00):
a second camp, which is gonnabe a pass protection camp on July eleventh
and twelfth. That Thursday and Fridayand again. You register at jtdsho well
dot com and you can sign upright there. I take walk ups all
the time, so you can walkup too. If you didn't sign up
on time, don't worry about it, just walk up there and sign up.
And then I also have my Elitecamp and my Elite camp. Okay,
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is I have six players at acamp and you stay for four nights,
and it's right at my house.Okay, you stay for four nights,
and I have two sessions during theday, right you get up.
First session for an hour is videoright there. I got a whole video
set up at my house like mostof us do. And then we do
a walk through out in the backin the back of my basketball court for
forty five minutes. And then wetravel to practice for an hour and twenty
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minutes, and I come back,eat lunch and do the same thing again,
and then we do a walk througha video at nighttime. It's incredible.
It's three it's four nights, threedays. And then my dates.
You know I'm gonna do one onJuly fifteenth through the eighteenth, July twenty
second through the twenty fifth, inJuly twenty ninth through August first, here's
the other thing, right, andyou sign up for that, okay,
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by just you have to call mefor that one. So I got a
phone number for you six one sevennine one three three four six five again
six one seven nine one three threefour six five. And if you called
me up right and you said,hey, listen, we can't do those
dates, but we'd like to seeif you could do. Uh, we
got five linemen for your three linemenfor you, and we'd like to have
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you do these dates. The oddsof me doing that are really good.
I got called by six high schoolsthis spring when I was coaching in the
UFL and they said, hey,we can't come to your camp, but
can you come to ours and andand teach our alignment? I said,
of course I can't. And solike I did that at Marble Falls,
I did that at Little Cypress,Morrisville. I did that at Arlington,
Sageine, Princeton. So I didnumerous places where I actually went out to
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them and coached their kids. Soit's been fantastic. You know, I've
really enjoyed doing it. Jimmy.What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna post
this and I'm gonna keep the number. I'll give the website and UH and
the number regularly for your camps becauseI think undertaught is this position nowadays.
I do, and I, folks, I'm just telling you I've been around
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some of the best in the worldand the guy is as good as there
is. And this I say thiswhen when when Gym's not around, is
that if you want to go,get in those elite camps as well.
The reason why there's only six kidsis because he wants to be hands on,
because he wants to teach you theway it's supposed to be done.
Jimmy, I will pub it again. It's six one seven, nine,
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one three, three, four sixtyfive. And if you can't make those
dates, call him up and maybethere's four or five of you that need
another date. And this guy lovescoaching as much as anybody I've ever been
around. And my man, let'sdo this again. As we get lated
to train, I'd love to haveyou talk offensive line play throughout the season
and pub your camps because I knowwhat you teach and uh, I know
you watch all of it and we'dget some great insight from you in the
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fall as well. And anything Ican do for you. I'm he brother,
you know that I appreciate it.It sean, you know, like
even even with the with the Texans, you know, I mean I went
after I looked at Titus Howard whenI was coaching for the Bengals, right
went out and spent the whole daywith Titus Love Titus loved the kid.
I mean, he's there's something thereand I know he's I know he's been
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playing up and down and so on, but he's a good football player and
there's something there that they can geta lot out of him. Where's his
truest position, Jimmy, real quick, we got about fifteen seconds. If
you were going to line him up? Is he a right tackle? Is
he an interwork with you said,that's his position where he can excel?
What is it? I would probablysay right tackle? And the reason is
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is because you know, he's he'sjust lacks experience right because he played a
lot of tight end and quarterback backin his youth, you know what I'm
saying, and so going inside forhim is not easy and it slows the
guy down him. Thank did hisphone cut off? It? Did you
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know? Multi multi all that stuff? He needs to stay at one spot
yep. And I think that that'swhat's going to happen. And once they
get that continuity, this team's goingto be dangerous with he and Tunsil as
their bookends. Jim, great stuff, brother, anytime. Love to have
you on and we will talk againthe phone number six one seven nine one
three three four sixty five. Youwill not get better offensive line hands on
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teaching than this guy right here,Jim Turner. Jim, thanks brother.
I appreciate you. Thank you,Sean, I appreciate you. We'll talk
to him, brother, Thank you. Great Jim Turner. We'll come back
and discuss next Sports Talk seven ninety
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