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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sorry, what was I I think we should have I
think we had do we have? Doctor you there?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
There, it's been one of those mornings. So let's talk
about there there's a connection there between raw food and
bird food. And I think I saw there's been there's
been some recalls, hasn't there?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
There have so far it's just been on the West coast.
It's been monarch pet foods and Northwestern naturals. So right
now it seems to be limited to cat food and
it seems to be limited to the West Coast, but
it's not beyond the scope of believing that it could
be in other pet foods as well, because the raw
poultry turkey, chicken, and duck are all putting our pets
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at risk of developing that. And right now it looks
like cats, but we don't know yet if it'll be
dogs too, do we see?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And I you know I've had chickens and other things
in the past. You know, obviously bird flu is definitely
are pets susceptible. I know that we've had a few
human cases, if I if I'm remembering this right, our
pets cat obviously cats through food? Can dogs? Can they
get it? Cats and dogs get it through the air.
Do we have any science or anything on that.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yet, not yet. So far, the only dogs that have
been reported have been asymptomatic. They've just been tested and
found to be positive, no symptoms. But the cats, they've
had some die of either respiratory disease or neurologic disease.
So at this point it looks like it's cats. But
you know, if you have a dog that's not doesn't
have a normal immune system, that's concern. And then my
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bigger concern is not just the pets, but what happens
if we have someone in the household that immuno compromised
and they're handling these foods. And so many people are
on you know, anti inflammatory doses of steroids, they're on chemotherapy,
they're very young, they're very old, they're on a lot
of these I mean when you watch the commercials on TV,
either there for immunosuppressive drugs for things like rheumatoid arthritis
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and storiatic arthritis and GI disease, or therozembic type drugs
for weight loss. Well, all the people on the drugs
that suppress the immune system are to be at risk
as well. So I'm really worried about utensils and breadboards
and hands and all the stuff that goes on in
the kitchen. Who and you're handling those foods if they're
not cooked. So the current recommendation is to take, if
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you feel like you must be this particular diet because
your pet does well on it, to gently cook it,
to cook it to one hundred and sixty five degrees,
which is what's recommended for poultry. And there's a link
on you know, you can look up what temperatures to
cook foods too, So get out your food thermometers, cook
your pet food, and just cook it to that temperature.
So you're controlling the amount of heat that it gets,
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and you're controlling how long it's been since it was cooked,
and all those bits and pieces that may make you
more comfortable. If you feel like a ra meat diet
is what's best for your pet, the current recommendation is
to perhaps consider not feeding a ra meat diet until
we understand this better to go to kibble or canned food.
And I know that isn't appealing to certain people, but
it is something to think about. There's a really good
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blog out there called Worms and Germs. It's written by
a veterinarian up in Canada. It's an easy name to remember,
worms and germs, and it has a tremendous amount of
information that's very accurate. The guy's an infectious disease specialists
and really really has great information and he's been updating
it pretty regularly as this whole thing has evolved.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Talking this morning with doctor Marty Greer of Checkout Veterinary,
today's a great day to start that conversation, start a
relationship with the vets and the doctors at the doctors
at Checkout Veterinary. Of course you can learn more online
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number six so eight three one eight sixty seven hundred,
that's three one eight sixty seven hundred. And doctor this
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does tie in with it, and you would mentioned, of
course we mentioned I think we've all known maybe folks
in our in our lives that have had their pets
on some type of raw food diet. Are there are
there benefits?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Is it something that's people just do because they perceive
benefits medically? Is there is there any reason to for
most pets to be on any type of raw food diet.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Actually no, I know a lot of people are pretty
attached to it. It's a very hot button issue for
our clients. The people that feed raw are pretty interested
in continuing that, and I understand that. But there really
hasn't been any published information that indicates that there's a
better outcome for life expectancy or disease prevention by feeding
a raw meat diet. So I think it's important that
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if you're doing so, and you're doing it without a
veterinarian's recommendation, at this point, I would not be feeding
a raw meat diet. I really just think that the
risk is too great until we better understand this, because
the highly pathogenic avian influenza hp AI H and H
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five and one is a very big concern right now,
not only in our pets, but in our humans as well.
So we just want people sick. And people are getting
sick from this. Not very many, but there have been
people that have been reported sick, and I believe one death.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
When we talk about then in other feeding options, obviously,
I think, especially with dogs is very common and I
know we've talked in the past about what to feed
your pet in There are some really really high quality
for folks that are very and as we all should
be by the way, when it comes to our pets
diets that want to get that really really high quality
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food and that nutrition. There are some really good brands
out there, and it's a good time to have that
conversation with your vet. Maybe if you have been feeding
them ra off food. You see this type of story,
it's a really good time to start that conversation. Isn't
it about making the switch?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It is? It is, and we don't know what the
freeze dried food they're going to be doing. We don't
know what the gently cooked of the high pressure pasteurization
is doing to the Ivian influence, and we just don't
have that information at this point. So yes, this is
a great opportunity to talk to your veterinary professional, maybe
your vet, maybe one of the vet techs that your practice,
and they are all very well educated about nutrition, so
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please don't hesitate to discuss this with them. Explain to
them what your concerns are. That you've seen this in
the new you have worries about it, and you want
to know what their recommendation would be. And a lot
of people feel like they feel guilty if they're not
feeding something that's raw meat, and I don't think they
should feel that way. I think because of the current
recommendations that we need to be changing that now. If
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you feel like you want to feed something raw, feedom carrots,
you know, feed them fetam, uncooked carrots, Feed them fruits
and vegetables other than grapes and raisins. They can eat
almost any fruit and vegetable, So feed those kinds of
things to augment their diet. If you feel like they're
not getting an adequate amount of nutrients from a Kibbel diet,
you can do that. You can have the multivitamins. There's
things that you can do to make sure that they're okay.
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But please involve your veterinarian. We try to talk about
pet food at every single visit, find out what they're on,
discuss that, discuss their weight. We try to do that.
Does it happen at absolutely every visit? Well, no, you know,
nobody's perfect. But I think nutrition is really important. And
I think a lot of people are either under the
impression that they VET doesn't want to talk about the
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VET doesn't know anything about it. And you know, I've
heard people say, well you that you don't have any
nutritional education, and actually we do, and the texts do
as well, So I think that using those resources would
be a really good idea because your pet is known
better by your veterinarian then but anybody else. You go
to the pet store, the teenage kid that's they're selling
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pet foods been told to sell this particular product this
month because that's what their markup is or that's what
their recommendation is for that month. But he doesn't know
anything or she doesn't know anything about nutrition. Talk to
the people who know your pets medical condition, who know
your lifestyle, who understand you because they know you better
than anyone else other than maybe your groomer, about what
is going to be best for your lifestyle, your pet,
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and your budget. And the Robbie diets frankly are pretty expensive,
the fresh diets are pretty expensive. Shipping the diets can
be expensive. So there are ways to afford really good
quality food. And my recommendation is to go to the
back of the store where the pet food is not
the stuff it's at the front, because again that's the
stuff that they have a higher markup on, so they're
going to be wanting to sell you those brands. At
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my house, I seed Royal Canaan and I feed sixteen dogs,
so I know how much pet food cost. I understand it.
I recommend Purina, and I recommend Royal Canaan, which is
also you can google well Frome Pedigree, that whole line,
and that's actually the largest pet food company in the world.
It's not Purina, it's the other it's the Walsame line
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of foods, which is Royal Canaan, and they're high quality foods.
They are researched carefully. Your pet food companies are spending
millions of dollars to research and do some great nutrient profiles.
And the three companies that make prescription diets are the
ones that do the research and do the feeding trials,
and that's going to be bills science Diets, Purina and
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Royal Canaan. So these are the people that are doing
the research, coming up with cutting edge information about what
we can do to manage different medical conditions with diet
instead of with drugs. And I think you need to
understand that those are the companies that are doing the research.
Everybody else is a me too. They come along and
they try to copy what those other companies.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Are doing dog this morning with doctor Marty Greer of
Checkout Veterinary. Learn more online checkout vet dot com. That's
checkout vet dot com. I sometimes feel like and I
think of, you know, raw food, and when you see
like the coolers and stuff at the pet store and
other things like that, there's a lot of marketing and
it also I kind of tell you, doctor, I think
one of the areas that makes and one of the
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reasons why it may be hard for some people to
pass is it does look as human, does kind of
look appetizing. And that's a strategy, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It sure is. And your dog can't see the color
of the food. They don't care what the color of
it is. They don't care what the shape of it is.
They just care that it tastes good and it's got
good nutrition. And most people only use two things to
judge their pet food. One is the quality of their
stool and the other is the quality of their coat,
and they don't really understand that there can be other
significant impacts. For instance, some of the high prot diets
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are really not good for our senior diets. It puts
too much strain on their kidneys. Trying to process all
that protein. So we need to be listening to what
our veterinarians are telling us about what our pet food
should be, and then we can see something that's appropriate
and keep them alive for a longer period of time,
healthy for a longer period of time, and have good
quality of life. So your vet wants the same thing
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that you want, and that's for your pet to live
as long as possible with the best quality of life
and the fewest disease conditions that they have to deal with.
So trust your veterinary clinic to help you select the
right food for your pet.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
What about doctors or talks morning with doctor Marty Grief
checkout veterinary. What about some of the budget pet foods
I see when you go to the kind of the
big box store. You'll see certain brands and they've got
big names, but they're you know, they buy them in
a ginormous twenty some pound bag. Are those okay or
should they be avoided? I mean, is there is there
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something to be said for kind of that step up
when it comes to the kibble options for pet food?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Well, you need to look really at the nutrient profile
and not the price tag and not the ingredient list.
A lot of people get hung up on ingredients. They
look at corn and they think it's a bad thing.
So no, actually, some of those pet foods are absolutely fine.
We have people that feed a lot of those foods
and they do very well. So the companies are in
the business of keeping your pet alive, not making your
pet stick. But you've got to watch the amount of
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protein in the diet. Carbohydrates are not a bad thing
for dogs. They need to have carbs, they need to
have protein, they need to have fat, they need all
those things, and they need fibers. So those are the
four things that they need in their diet, just like
you and I do. So we know that certain nutrient
profiles are not appropriate for certain life stages. So puppies
need a different diets than senior dogs. So really look
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at what that is. And like I said, they put
the extensive food at the front of the pet store,
go to the back of the store where the purina,
where the hills, where the royal cana and all those
diets are because that's where your best bargain is going
to be. Is you can get those bigger bags of
food for a good quality. Now you know, Sleep themselves
a great line of products. There's pet stores that do
so there's lots of places that you can get your
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pet food. I had one lady in yesterday at my
practice and she was struggling to find a certain type
of food and I went on Amazon and there it
was and it was free shipping, and she's like, oh wow, Like,
I'm carrying this dog food from the store. Why would
I be doing that? Because you can get free shipping
from a lot of these places if you sign up
through their websites. They have like Hills has Hills to Home,
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they have the ability to ship the food directly to you,
so you don't have to go to the store, lug
it into the cart, lug it out of the cart
into your car, and then drom your car into the
house and all that stuff. Oh and then one thing
that's really important is a lot of people take their
pet food when they get at home and jump it
into a plastic container. Pet food is meant to store
in the bag that it comes in, not in plastic.
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Plastic containers become rancid. The oils soak into the plastic
of the container and they start to become rancid. And
so over the course of time, those containers become contaminated
with bacteria and other things. Do you want to lower
the bag of pet food if you want to keep
it away from the mice and they other stuff, or
like your dog is going to go open up the
bag and shoot through the side of it, because I
don't know some of mine would, So you want to
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lower that pet food in the bag it's in into
the container. Number one, That keeps it safe from the plastic.
The plastic liner of the bag is met to store
the protein and the fats in and it protects it
from the outer package. It's going to be thrown away
every time you get a new food bag. Number two
is if something happens with that bag of food, if
you need to look up a lot number, a serial number,
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an explorationc it's there. Because we have people that come
in and they'll they'll be like, well, it's this food
on a recall and I said, well, where's the bag
and they don't have it. So you want to make
sure that you're keeping that packaging intact so that you
have that information if necessary.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I know what I'm doing. I get home because I
think like a lot of folks do we've got the
bins thinking well, that keeps it nice and fresh. But
I never thought of any of those points. And that's
one of the great things about getting opportunity to each
and every week's talk with doctor Mardy Career of Checkout Veterinary.
Don't forget we do this each Thursday morning at eight thirty.
You can always call in with your question. Even better, Uh,
today's a great day to start that relationship at Checkout Veterinary.
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You can learn more online checkout vet dot com. That's
checkout vet dot com. Telph number six O eight three
one eight sixty seven hundred. That's three one eight sixty
seven hundred. Doctor Greer, it's always great talking with you.
Have a fantastic Dan. We'll do it all again real soon.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Thank you.
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