A Bathroom Redux

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:24):
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six Edge. And joining us in studio this morning is
the owner of Edge Construction, Mike two wig. Mike, how

(00:45):
you doing this week? Great John, It's good to talk
to you as always, and we're talking bathroom or models
this week.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
But real quick, and I.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Know you guys, I don't even you probably know the number,
but do a lot of bathroom ormodels. That's a that's
a big thing that you guys do. One of the
things you've been doing more and more of is is
new construction. And you shared with me some got a
chance to bust out your drone and show me some
aerial photos of a of a new project. That's got
to be a lot of fun doing that new construction stuff, isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
It it is? Uh, you know, we don't we don't
build a lot of houses.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Through through Edge. We were really involved in new construction
for other builders in Dane County. So we support the
construction on over five hundred new houses here actually for
other builders. That's one part of Edge, and then we
built maybe one or two houses a year. They tend
to be that things that maybe don't compete with that market,

(01:38):
you know, like our customers. But uh, you know, a
country house or something down the lake or or something
that makes it unusual, like we've we've been a thing
where we've torn down houses and built new ones in
the same spot. We actually have one going on right
now that it's an old farmhouse. We've remodeled it once already.
We're gonna we're gonna We're build a new house kind

(02:01):
of right behind it on the same piece of land,
and then that house is going to come down.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh yeah, And is that the one that I saw
the pictures of it got like there's like a bar.
I mean, it's like there's like a barn and some
other things. Am I sitting there? I mean, that's just
a cool little area. And you mentioned kind of where
you guys fit in when it comes to the new construction. Obviously,
remodeling is is what you guys do day in out,
day in and day out. And you mentioned though, like
some of the projects you've worked on for new stuff,

(02:26):
we're talking like truly custom. We're not talking, you know,
I think that we're always see the term custom home
builder and those kind of things. Some are and some
are kind of custom in that in that you select
in a box, A or B kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
These are truly custom, aren't they usually?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah? Yeah, Usually if we're building a house so like
so something like this, it's a truly unique plan and
it it takes so many hours in design to do that.
So you really need a homeowner that's committed to that process.
Because I think we added up we had somewhere around
one hundred and fifty hours in CAD on this project,

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between coming up with the initial design and then modifying
it throughout throughout the project. And we actually designed a
different house for this this homeowner first and it sort
of fell apart because the wife was adamant that she
wanted an old she wanted a great, big front porch

(03:22):
like it used to be on old houses, and so
then it put threw us back to the drawing board.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
But that can happen sometimes. You mentioned to previous customers.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Is that a lot of times when it comes to
new construction folks oftentimes that you've worked in the past,
maybe the house they'd been in, you guys had done
some remodeling, and then they kind of moved that next
phase of life and saying we want to build something new.
We worked with you guys for a kitchen or a
bathroom model. We loved your work. Can we start a
conversation about new project.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Or build it surely doesn't hurt, you know if you
had experience with us before, and that probably about twenty
percent of our business actually comes from people that we
did their basement or did their bathrooms, and then they
want us to come back and do their kitchen or
or some other some other involver model. I mean, building
a new house is a really big commitment. Like I said,
we're not generally people don't think of us when they

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when they're going to build a new custom house. So
it's uh, sometimes there's it does seem like a lot
of times there's a connection in one where or another.
Either either they know somebody really well that worked with us,
or there's got to be some reason to trust us,
right because there's a lot of new builders out there
up and and there are some decent ones in Dane County,
and so I still think it's a thing where you

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need to do your digging, You need to do your
due diligence if you're gonna build with anybody, because just
getting the house built, well, there's a lot of people
that can do that. Everybody manages that process differently, so
you want somebody that can really help you out through
that process.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Talking this morning with Mike two Egg, owner of Edge Construction,
the website edge Construction Company dot com. That's Edgeconstruction Company
dot com. They're twelping number six So eight six three
six three three four three that number six three six
Edge were talking about bathrooms this week and kind of
walking through a renovation checklist, and Mike as we talked,
started this conversation off talking about bigger projects whole you know,

(05:12):
complete construction. Bathrooms are no slouts for such a small space.
There is a lot of work that goes into the
planning and designing of a bathroom.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
It is.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
It is a substantial area, isn't.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
It It is? I mean it it kind of There's
a lot of times people go, well, you know, why
why does it take so long to do a bathroom? Well,
it just depends on what you're doing. I think of
all the all the problems that you uh that a
bathroom has, and most of it is related to water.
It's got a lot of systems there. You've got heat,
you've got plumbing, the electrical stuff. Almost everything gets upgraded

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or should get upgraded when you're when you're doing this,
when you're doing a bathroom. If you look at some
of the some of the after pictures on our bathrooms,
you're thinking, well that's really nice, you know, But to
know the true story, you've got to go about, you know,
dig a little deeper and look at what we started with.
There's a lot of times that are that are that

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our customers or potential customers are looking at our before
pictures going like, I don't even know how you got
to how could you come up with a design based
on what was already there? Because its bathrooms get hard
use you got to water involved, especially some of these
bass that aren't seen by the friends and relatives. You know,
it's just hard to spend that money and it's hard

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to be without that space for for as long as
it takes to do that bass. So they tend to
get put off and a lot of times are pretty
rough before we get to them.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
One of the things, and you would know this first hand,
but one of the things I noticed when you mentioned,
you know, going to Edge Construction Company dot com and
seeing those before and after and thank goodness you have
that slider up there to really kind of help envision it,
because it is dramatic and and pretty drastic. Oftentimes the
before and after is the bathroom. One of those areas
where we've seen out of out of some of the

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other spots that are regularly modeled, more of a shift
as well when it comes to tastes and styles, and
maybe it's just there's different products and things available. But
I feel like, and especially I look at your portfolio
and the work that you guys have done at Edge Construction.
You look at these bathrooms. It used to be back
in the eighties and nineties, all bathrooms kind of looked
very similar. Now it's like we're seeing a lot of

(07:18):
different tile and different glass and we're saying we're going
to put in a different type of bath or maybe
a shower, And it just feels like, and maybe I'm
off on this, but it seems like the bathroom and
what's available to do in a bathroom, even in the
last ten years, has really exploded as far as different options,
different styles, and what people are how they're applying those
options and styles.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, it is really fun. It's kind of a space
that you can take some chances on design too. So
if you really like this, I'm looking at the last
bathroom did has showed up on Edge Construction company dot
com And if you go in that first picture, that'll
take you to it. And it's a beautiful blue cabinet. Now,

(08:01):
when I want a whole house full of blue cabinets,
I'm not sure. But in a smaller space, man does
this work and you talk about the tile options and
this one has a really unique glass door. You're thinking like, well,
how unique could it be to me? It's just very cool.
It's all those little things that come together when that

(08:23):
design happens. We had a discussion this week about just
what we do is all of our suppliers, our design
team let It by Heather, is constantly being updated on
things that are coming out. We go to the shows
to see what's what's in soyla and what the new
products are, and then you know, you have to keep

(08:44):
your showroom updated because the manufacturers now in the eighties,
they probably made those same earth tone tan tiles for
like ten years and if you if you broke one,
you can just go down to the store and grab
no one. Those days are gone. There's a lot more options,
but they're also not staying in production forever, so it

(09:08):
takes a constant it's a constant job to keep the
showroom updated so that we always have current things and
things that are available and that we can get when
we need them. They also need to fit into budgets
and things, but those options are not stopping and it's
really resulting in some great, great pictures of athrooms.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well you were mentioning about how it used to be
and just run down to the big box store in replace.
Do you guys actually with extra tiles? Do you leave
those with the homeowners? And do they get like tiles
or other types of you know, pieces that you have
extra that could if Gods forbid, let's say something gets dropped,
a tile gets broken.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Do you leave replacements for them?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
You bet? Yeah, So we want to leave several tiles,
maybe a box if we can, full of tiles, because
we've actually been in the situation where we go, hey,
do you have a few extra tiles? I mean, you know,
sometimes people like their bathroom floor and we're refixing everything.
It's in good repair, but it's more of a surface remodel.

(10:07):
I guess maybe it's not that all the bath but
we know we're going to damage some things when we
when we start tearing out tubs and stuff like that.
So if somebody has those tiles, please keep to always
keep them. Actually, don't get rid of the grout, either
that old bag or grout that feels like a solid brick,
you believe it or not. Sometimes we're taking a hammer
and breaking that thing up because matching grout can be

(10:32):
harder sometimes than matching tile. So yeah, it's a subtle
changes really show up. So that old that old grout.
Usually we can revitalize that stuff to make small, small repairs.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's today I learned. I did not know. I know
that when you were talking about the tile stuff, I too.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I'm thinking about like when you guys are doing kitchens
and you know some of the wood floors and other things.
The amount of work and technique that goes into if
you're like moving a wall or something to hide where
that wall was, it's got to be probably be very
true on the bathroom with titles, Well, you had mentioned
those glass on the up at Edgeconstruction Company dot com.
Are those barn doors on that? Is that like it

(11:09):
looks like they're on like little rollers?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Is that? Am I? Am? I seeing that correctly?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
You are seeing that correctly. And this is something that
our supplier offers. I'll give a shout out to Todd
at Mid Wisconsin Glass. He does his company does most
of the this type of work in town. They're they're
really great to work with. They show you tons of
options and there's a lot of times that our homeowners

(11:32):
will be like you know, I saw this online and
bring that to us or bring that to our supplier
and he'll go, yeah, let me, let me see what
I can do, and he can usually get close or
provide the actual product that you find online.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Do we see I mean, and I think I know
the answer this. It seems like we see a lot
of frameless glass. I don't know if that's a technical
term for it, but it seems like, especially when it
comes to two showers is and I can see one.
But I think there's probably other reasons for it. But
am I right out? Do we see a lot of
just kind of those those really nice glass panes that

(12:08):
are that are being used in bathrooms?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
We do, and and there are some advantages to that.
You know, you don't if if you do the frameless glass,
you don't end up with that top rail that if
you're six foot three like I am, you could that's
right about forehead level. So you know, I like the
look of this. Would it be practical for me? I
don't know. You know, I'm sure my wife could talk
me into it if she really wanted it. I mean,

(12:30):
I love the look. I just go, you know, I
like that frameless glass look. I think that The key
is you want to you want a good quality product,
something that's gonna last a long time. You want the
you just look at this product and it says quality
like this does not look like something that's that's gonna
wear out, and it's gonna look good for a long time.

(12:50):
I also, I also want to add to the design,
so if we're gonna do something besides to me, the
frameless glass just shows off the tilework, and we do that,
so I I love that. And uh so it needs
to be something that if you're gonna you know, straight
off the path, maybe something like this works because it
does add to design. It really does fit in well

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with the rest of the fixtures.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Does some of it help to kind of obviously when
you're working in bathrooms generally a smaller space, make that
space feel less confined, make it a little bit more open.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah. And there's there's a ton of options for that
glass now too. I mean everything from rain glass where
it's just you know, you can see somebody behind it,
but it's not like, you know, not clear there. It's
it's it's much easier to keep clean and looking good
now that we can treat things to make it make
it really work well. You can you can shade areas

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if you want, you can. There's a lot of different
options for that.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Class is a glass.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
It's the glass like countertops, is a kind of each
job a unique custom a type piece where you're really
kind of where it's the handle going to go? What
are the dimensions that type of thing.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, So anytime there's tile involved, it's a it's a
custom deal. So are our people here in town. We'll
measure that up and kind of they'll walk you through that.
You get to make some of those decisions. Which way
do you want this to open? How big do your
do you know? How big is you? Is your door
going to be? What you picked your your colors uh

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for for any metal at showing uh And and then
the custom measure stuff so that glass gets cut here,
sent off to be treated and then and then brought
back and installed by the people here.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Really fascinating stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
So we talked this morning with Mike two Wig, owner
of Edge Construction the website edge Construction Company dot com.
That's Edgeconstruction Company dot com. Haven't been over there recently,
definitely check them out. Of course, we've referenced a recent
dot kitchen excuse me, bathroom model a couple of times
this morning, so you definitely want to check that out.
It's the master bathroom up at Edgeconstruction Company dot com. Also,
while you're there, check out the links Pinterest, Facebook and

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house as well. Think about doing some remodeling, Michael, The
team would love to talk with you. All I got
to do is give them a call. Six O eight
six three six three three four three that number six
three six Edge. We'll talk more about bathroom modeling.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
We'll do that nextus.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
The Homer Modeling Show with Edge Construction continues right here
on thirteen ten WUIV. This is the Homer Modeling Show
brought to you by Edge Construction Online. Edge Construction Company
dot com. That's all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
Delvih number six O eight six three six three three
four three that number six three six Edge talking this
week about bathroom modeling, a little bit about the checklist

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when it comes to renovation of a bathroom, and Mike,
real quick, I don't want to out anybody or make
anybody uncomfortable. Do you ever get people say like because
we you know, we like to see them before and after.
You ever get people saying is. And I think, especially
with bathrooms, do you ever get people saying please Obviously
it's ultimately anonymous whose bathrooms were, but our people ever.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Like, yeah, maybe not do that same.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
We haven't had anybody who say we couldn't ye do it.
We We would obviously honor Anyboddy's wishes. I take that back.
I think there have been a few jobs where we
haven't shown before and it was you know, I'm not
sure what the reason was. I think at the time, right,
you're just a little embarrassed. These things kind of get
out of control at some point, and and I don't

(16:10):
blame that. We were joking during the break about some
of the bathrooms we grew up with, but uh, you know,
when you're using it, I guess you're not thinking like
it's that bad. And then when you get the news
space and you look back at those old pictures, you're like, ah,
well it was pretty pretty bad, pretty rough. But yeah, I,

(16:31):
like I said, we would definitely respect some of these
wishes if they didn't want us to show before. But
usually people are pretty gracious about that.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
And as you were mentioning earlier too, is oftentimes bathrooms,
especially those that are not always seen by by visitors.
Guests tend to tend to be put off. And you
also think about the amount of wear and tear just
even just the the heating and humidity and cooling, and
you know, just the bathroom goes through a lot. I
want to ask you about that is, I know, one

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of the things that's really revolutionized the work that you
guys are doing at edge construction is some of the
things that you don't see that go behind things to
kind of keep that space contained and keep it good
for longevity for your overall home structure. Is there are
new systems and other things out there, are newer systems

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that really make a bathroom or model really really not
just good for the bathroom, but really protects the rest
of the house as well from those elements in the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Right, there's I think when you have the chance to
work on a bath like this, there's a lot of
stuff that happens behind that drywall that you really need
to pay attention to. So the first I'm not obsessed
with bath fans, I promise you, But first thing I'm
gonna look at when I walk in your bathroom, we
probably go look up and go what a terrible bath

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fan is because everybody seem to have put in I
won't say the brand name, but it's like ninety nine
percent of what builders have used because it's like thirty
five dollars and I.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Won't name it to start with the bena it does, okay, okay, yeah,
I know exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, and they actually make better products. I mean, we don't.
We use the Panasonic products. So if so, if that
cheap bat fan that only moves forty cfm, it's really
not enough to to uh, to get the job done.
And also sounds like a plane taken off when when
when you turn it on, it's forty dollars. And if

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we can buy that Panasonic one for a little over
one hundred and it moves on hundred and ten cfm quietly.
I mean, we've had lots of customers calls and say
their bat fan's not working, and we what we do
is tell them to turn it on, hold a pet
of paper up there and it will it will draw
the paper right up into the fan, and it's like, yeah,
it's really that quiet. And so yeah, if you're having

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a bath fan envy, you're gonna if you do your bathroom,
you're gonna get a new fan. Uh. But there's stuff
behind the walls too. Sometimes we open up those walls
and we find galvanized pipe. Where we find any connection,
we're going to kind of scrutinize. So if you've got
two pipes coming together, maybe tailing off and go into
a different room, we're going to look at that evaluate it.

(19:09):
Most of the time we're going to want to replace
those put new stuff in there. Certainly we want to
put new valves on. This I think is the biggest
failing of bathroom modelers. There are those those people around
town that will do a kind of a surface remodel
and and we just get call after call. Uh. You know,
I don't know if it's from them or just the

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valves failing. So whenever we have a chance to to
get our hands on it, we're gonna put new valves
on it. So we have something in there that we
can trust. I mean, water croats things, water, water h
carries things in it that will that will kind of
crust up the inside of your galvanized pipe. So we
want to get rid of that galvanized pipe when we

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have a chance to do it. We're also going to
be fixing passed in. So if we if we if
we open up, we pull a tub of out, we go, boy,
I really don't like how they did this trap. It's
that little U shaped thing underneath your tubdrain. We certainly
want to replace all that stuff. So, uh, wiring codes

(20:13):
have changed somewhat. Used to be able to do a
bunch of different things with j f I outlets and
feed probably too many different areas. We're gonna we're gonna
tend to put in dedicated circuits sort of things. So
sometimes we look at it and we go, you know,
it's just done. Well, we don't have to we don't
have to. We can we can use what's here. But

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you know, if you have well, let's tay, so I
talked about baths fans. If you want a fan with
a light in it, that's that's it's okay to to
use a normal circuit for that. That can all be
in one circuit. If you want to include heat for
that bath fan, which is it seems like a lot
more people do now. That has to be a home
run to the panel. So we've got to come all
the way from the panel on its own breaker dedicated

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circuit up to serve that heat fan. So there's there's
a bunch of things mechanically that that happened behind the wall.
Even if your bath is on the outside wall, we
definitely want to look at that too.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
What about you mentioned galvanized pipes, by the way, and
I want to ask about kind of where we are.
I know that there's far better, more modern, just more,
just better. We'll talk about that the way we're doing
using now. But what was the problem with is galvanized
pipe just just build up or just look.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Is the main thing? So if you if you it's
super gross to take apart fifty year old gulf and
I spipe, Yeah, because if you look inside, it'll be
really about half capacity of what it used to be
because all these mineral deposits and and weirdly there's like
bacteria that'll eat on those minerals, and it's it's sort
of like the inside of an oyster when you look

(21:42):
in there and you're thinking, oh, I'm drinking this, Yeah, exactly, Well,
do you have ice pipe in your place as we do?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Gosh, I'm gonna have to give you a call, like
we may need to.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Talk about it's. Yeah, it's it's something about like I said,
when we're getting our hands on stuff. We have had
older homes that we've gone on into. They've they've had
PVC for supply lines, they've had galvanized, they've had pecks.
Which is that the kind of new blue and red stuff?
I call everything pecks too. I don't know what brand.

(22:17):
I don't even think we use pecks, but it's but
it's pecks.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
So, I mean you can have up to maybe four
different types of things with copper and and things like that,
and there's nothing wrong with copper. It's just that those
those sodder joints don't last forever. I say that cautiously
because some seem to last just you know, forever in
a day. But the new wave is to use to me,

(22:41):
the Kalek system is the peck stuff, the red and
blue pipe, because you can theoretically have one line coming
from your supply all the way up to the endpoint
without a break. It can go around corners. There's ways
to make it go around corners and up through walls
and cut around the house, so you have you have
less joints, which joints tend to be the failing point.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
That with that does that make it also you think
about different, you know, having the red and the blue
and like being able to kind of identify them. Does
that also without those you mentioned with copper and kind
of that failing point since it's one solid piece, much
less likely if not. I don't want to stay impossible,
but nearly impossible to have any kind of type of
issue from source to to to the faucet.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Right right, I think there's To me, it makes sense
that there's just a lot less chances for problems. I mean,
if it's going to happen. They call it a manifold
in the basement the really clean jobs where I've seen them.
You kind of a supply coming into a manifold. So
it's like a candelabra of pipes coming out, and you've
got a bunch of those going in all different directions,
and it hits all those splies. So in a house,

(23:45):
you know, you're you'rena have hot and cold for a
few bass So that might be six and then you
got to you gotta sink or two and so so
now you're at you know, ten, So that's a common number,
and that those might be the only joints in those
in those pipes all the way up to the spyline.
So it's not a not a deal where you're you're

(24:07):
you're gonna you're you're gonna have problems with joints. The
warranty when Pecks first came out was somewhere around one
hundred years. I don't think. I don't think they say
that anymore to me. If you're saying a hundred years,
you might as well just say for But the other
thing that I know about Pecks is that the plumbers
I don't know if they advertise this, but UH copper
when it gets saved, if your furnace goes out and

(24:29):
you're on vacation, UH copper will freeze very quickly. Then
the water can can break in there. And it still
can happen with the PEX pipes just a lot less likely.
I think the point where it gives up is uh
as much colder, it can just hand a lot more stress.
So from that standpoint it's pretty safe too.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
One thing too, and maybe we have to do a
whole segment on this, But when you're talking to about
about kind of the design of a PEX using PEX
systems recircling, do we have am I remember that like
with hot water and recirculation, or what is it?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
What is Mike? What's that all about?

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, so that that thing where you your your water
heater is on one end of the house and your
bath is on the other end of the house. You
you turn on the hot water and then you uh,
it's a Seinfeld thing. I remember this said, like you go,
do your shopping, come back, you have hot.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Water finally gets to you.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, so you can have a you know, it feels
pretty wasteful, right, You're running all that water down the
drain and somewhere there's a pump pump in it and
and keeps going. You can have a research pump for
for hot water. And what this does is it's just
a real small pump that you have an extra line
going to that to that shower, that bathroom on the

(25:44):
other end of the house, and it's just constantly recircling,
circling hot water. And you think, well, okay, now I'm
heating water that I'm not using. But if you look
at at a standing hot water heater with the where
the elements are, that thing's gonna kick in and be hot.
It's gonna it's gonna drain down right, and put a
bunch of cold water in that in that vat that

(26:07):
has to get heated up again. So if you're just
recirculating that hot water, you're not really going through that
when you're like draining out. So I think it may
cost just a little bit more energy to run. It's
not as much as people think. You got a little
install cost. You've got to pump on one end or
the other. So generally put it in a in your area,
by the by the by your mechanicals. But it's a

(26:28):
pretty slick system. I mean, I think if you if
it takes more than thirty seconds to get water hot water,
that's you know, with low low flow faucets. Now it's
not like you can turn it out and you're running
out gallons of water. It takes a while to move
all that water through. If it's more than thirty seconds,
I think, you know, it might be something to think.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
About med just being able to hop right into the
shower when you when you want to hop right into
the shower and not wait, they're doing the hand under
the thing. It's just right, which I think all of
us are far too familiar with. Talking this morning with
Mike two Egg, owner of Edge Construction, looking at it,
some updates whether it's your bathroom, kitchen, living space in general,
maybe look at do a basement remodel, whatever it is.
Mike and the team at Edge Construction would love to

(27:07):
talk with you.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I gotta just pick a phone.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Gave a call six O eight six three six three
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website Edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one word
Edge Construction Company dot com. Welloksend you our conversation here
on thirteen ten WIBI. This is the Homer Modeling Show,
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three three four three that number six three six.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Edge talking about bathroom renovations, kind.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Of putting together a little bit of a checklist of
things to think about it if you think about doing
your bathroom and getting that remodeled.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Mike.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Before the break, we were just talking about some of
the improvements. When it comes to some of the things
you don't see. I know that there's like membranes and
other things that you put underneath tile and stuff. Like
I always thought before I met you, I thought, well,
tile is impervious to moisture. It's got to be uh,
it's got to hold that water back.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Definitely does not.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
And there's some really really good products out there that
you guys use at edge construction that keep the dry
stuff that needs to be dry dried.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Isn't there well tyle. Tyle actually is pretty impervious. But
groud isn't the ground that's it. That is basically cement.
If you look at cement under a microscope, all you'd
see is their like there's a lot of space in there.
It looks pretty pretty, you know. But but water and
water is not going to run through grout on tile.
I don't want anybody to think that, but but it

(28:30):
h but it can kind of just work its way through.
And so yeah, and when we tear apart older baths,
we see evidence of that. If if we do a
bathroom now you you talked about the membranes that we
put underneath, and there's a there's a bunch of different
ways to go. Uh. The company that kind of put
themselves on the math with it is called Schlooter. It's
the orange stuff. If you haven't seen that, you haven't

(28:52):
watched like this old house or any of their modeling shows,
because you'll see the first thing they're doing is sort
of building that shower with the with the orange membranes.
And I know they have competing products. I just it's
so hard to use something else from my standpoint, because
our suppliers have every option that they offer inside corners,

(29:14):
outside corners, all the different all the different tapes, all
the different things that we need, and they've and that
company has just done a great job of education. So
I can send my people literally to a two day
free seminar and they will go through all of those
all of the techniques to use their products and build
a shower. Now, kind of my theory or our theory,

(29:37):
is that the tile, the stuff you see is just
the art. That's the artwork. The shower is early behind there.
You know, the thing that stops the water is the membrane.
If the better you do with that, the longer that
shower is going to last. It's also a great substrate
to lay tile on. So we can get that, we
can get flat, we can get it, we can you know,

(30:00):
really have a nice you know to the grout really
grabs onto those products. When we do heated floors, it's
with the shlooter system. It's almost like these small pucks
that you wind the wire through in a custom fashion.
You can get the heat wherever you want it and
tile right over the top.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
You mentioned that in floor heat and getting that in
that's been a bit of a revolutionary and I know
it's not necessarily you've been you and I've been talking
about it for a number of years now, but what
a great what a great thing to have is a
nice warm floor to step out of when you get
get onto when you get out of the shower.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, and and you think about, like, just how we
can do this now? With with smart thermostats, you can
literally if you get up at six, you can have
your floor start to warm up at five thirty then
we're here and have it shut it down at at
seven or whatever. It's it's it's it doesn't use a
lot of electricity. I mean, it's really an efficient way

(30:56):
to do it. And you you know you're getting up
and onto a warm floor and back off, and there's
there's great ways to do this now.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
As we talked this morning with Mike two Wig, owner
of Edge Construction, the website Edge Construction Company dot com,
that's Edge Construction Company dot com. Great website and resource
and learn more about Edge Construction. Also check out some
of their work. They keep updating that regularly, so if
you haven't been there recently, definitely worth the time to
stop on by. It also links there to How's Pinterest
Facebook as well. Think about doing some model pickup phone
gam McAll six so eight six three six three three

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four three that's six three six Edge. We were talking
earlier about recirculating for hot water. Do we see on demand?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Is that more of a gimmick or is like that
having those like small water heaters?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Oh yeah, do we see? We do see those?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Oh yeah, and uh you know I I the first
one that we put in was probably twenty years ago
and we actually I had a chance to get back
into this house this year and that thing is still
going strong as a boss unit. I think they were
one of the first ones stuck them out with it.
And you know, those Germans really make good stuff. Yeah,
working well. Has not been any issues with this product,

(31:58):
and you know they're they're are grown now, but they
had they had two high schoolers at one time that
would love to take showers at the same time. They
never ran that thing out of hot water, so it's
got it's got some real advantages to the traditional system.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Oh, it's great to get that report. We're going to
talk a little bit more with Mike about kitchen excuse me,
kitchen bathroom model thinks the scond time I've done that
bathroom models.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I check out some the recent work as well at
Edgeconstruction Company dot com. That's all one word edge Construction
Company dot com, and think about.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Doing some modeling up phone.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Give a call six so eight six three six three
three four to three that number six three six Edge
talk a little bit about some insulation, and I also
probably should talk about some of the fancy stuff some
of the neat stuff that you see as well.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
We'll get into all of that next.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
The Homer Modeling Show with Edge Construction continues right here
on thirteen ten WI. This is the Homer Modeling Show
brought to you by Edge Construction. The website Edge Construction
Company dot com all one word Edge Construction Company dot com.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Great website and resource. Learn more about Edge Construction.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Also some fantastic links Pinterest, hows Facebook. I mentioned that house.
Have you check that out? You definitely want to head
on over there. Just had to Edge Construction Company dot com.
You'll see a little h little green each that looks
like a house. That's the link to it again, that's
at Edge Construction Company dot com delph number six so
eight six three six three three four three that number
six three six Edge. Before we start talking about the

(33:15):
pretty stuff, the stuff that you see real quick. You
had mentioned earlier about insulation and oftentimes people don't think
a lot about insulation. And we were talking in that
last segment two about you know, heat and floor heating.
If you're in the bathroom and you're near that wall
and like an outside wall, and you feel that wall
as cold, that's going to affect your comfort all around,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
It doesn't think you know, there's things we can do
to make that better. So the first line of defense
is making sure that insualation is in good repair. H
You know, there's a lot of times we we aren't
opening up that wall, or maybe opening up a small portion.
If we open it up and we see there's problems
in there, we're probably gonna tear off that drywall and

(33:56):
redo that. If we do open that thing up and
we see things like you know, in older houses sometimes
we can see little spots of daylight coming through weause
it's old wood siding. Maybe some not holes and things
that have there's some openings or gaps. Most of the time.
What we want to do there is is do us
uh spread close cell pham. So we're gonna we're gonna

(34:19):
shoot that with foam we called flashing bat. We We're
gonna shoot maybe an inch or inch and a half
of foam on there, and then we're gonna put bat
insulation on the inside of it. So you know, we
can get up to maybe pushing an our twenty and
even in an older two by four wall. But it
also stops air infiltration from all those tough spots to
stop it, and so that that really helps.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
You're talking.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I remember you're saying a couple of weeks ago. I
think we're talking about Bathtubso being of insulation, modern tubs
hold the heat much better.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Am I on onto something there?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
They can. So there's there's a couple of different ways
to go with free standing tubs. They have sort of
taken over the internet and they're shown up on a
lot of our jobs where we have room to get
those in there. Sort of the entry level for that tub. Okay,
there's there's a there's a you know, it's not way
at the bottom, but it's a it's a fiberglass unit.

(35:15):
Most of these are are kind of the normal ones.
The starting points are a two piece unit. So we
mount something on the floor. This this this top part
that you see slides over the top. It holds it
holds the heat. Okay, but you know, we just talked
about hot water and and how much effort we go
through to get that hot water and make it right.
It's the step up from there is and I'm sure

(35:39):
there's different names for all this, but I'm just gonna
call them resin tubs. So resin is a it's like
an acrylic, it's a it's a poured product. So they
actually port and mold, it solidifies. Uh. Some of these,
some of these tubs that are resin tubs, they look
like a normal tub, but they are a resin and
they're they are super heavy. So they're they might be

(36:00):
two hundred and fifty pounds three hundred pounds, wow, but
and thin walled. You know, three cars finished thick. But
the advantage to those resin tubs are that it really
holds the heat, and so yes, you pay more, Yes
you have you know your your model is going to
wind when we have to carry it in there. But

(36:21):
it's really it's really a nice upgrade.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's very really cool.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
As we talk this morning with Mike two Egg, owner
of edge Construction online edge Construction Company dot com, that's
Edge Construction Company dot com. Back in the first segment,
you mentioned that recent bathroom model that's up at Edgeconstruction
Company dot com, those blue cabinets, and obviously you pointed
out that when it comes to doing a bathroom, you can,
when it comes to design, you can, people are oftentimes

(36:45):
a little bit more bold. One of the things that
I do think is important too is kind of tying
it in with our kind of the running conversation here
as well with bathrooms is this kind of the environment
that they're in. Cabinets and bathrooms. You don't want to
you don't want to skip on any cabinet, but just
being exposed to the humidity and the other things, you
really want a good quality cabinet for the bathroom, don't you.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
I think it's a good idea because there's a lot
of humidity and it and it changes really throughout the
day quite a bit, and we we try to stay
away from the particle board products. I've talked about this.
I'm probably probably boored you to death with that, but
produktboard does take on moisture I think more than the
plywood box cabinets, and so we always, uh we search

(37:31):
out manufacturers. Our manufacturers both offer plywood boxes, and so
there's it's hard to get one hundred percent away from
the particleboard products in today's world. We do everything we can.
I think we're probably ninety five percent of our cabinets
are not park board. So once in a while it
creeps in there just because it's it's the only option

(37:51):
from the manufacturer. But beyond that, a really good paint job.
When we when we took on Great Northern, that's our
our kind of newer supplier. We've worked into them over
the last few years. It's a Northern Wisconsin cabinet maker. Uh.
They do it just a fantastic job, and every part

(38:12):
of that process is really managed with them. We are
we are we continue to just be impressed with their
product and it's it's a company that is not trying
to find a newer, cheaper way to build a cabinet,
which is is as these companies have gotten bigger, that
seems like that's how it is. And and their paint process,

(38:33):
I just was really impressed with it, you know, like
I said, they aren't skimping. They do a really great
project process. They're not they're not shy to put on
the paint, let's say, and you know you do that,
you you bake on that finish and and I think
that's the best result you can ask for.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Are there special paints, by the way, that are used
in bathrooms by the way.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
You mean, yes, we do use some harder paints, so
like a so like a flat isn't as hard as
like an egg. Well, if you look at that, the
trick is to get the flat look with UH and
not have a shiny shiny paint. Shiny paint is is
super washful and super hard. It's just most people don't

(39:13):
want to.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Look at it.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
It's not very attractive. So our manufacturers, so you we
use the two big ones around here, Sewan Williams and UH.
Trying to think of the other one, but they they
both have have increased the hardness on their on their
flats and satins so that you can use those in

(39:35):
in bathrooms. I wud probably wouldn't do that on a ceiling,
but because that's a different, different set of stress on
that paint. But but we're not afraid to use those
on the walls.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
And then what before we wrap up this week, I
do want to ask just about.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm sorry, guys over there, I don't know, I uh.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
One thing too, is I look at this this one,
this one recent model we've been referencing. Of course, did
that shower. We talked a little bit about the glass.
But a couple of areas too that are that I
think are just always really cool is the bench and
this one's got a really cool corner bench. And the
you have a term that you like to use for
the little nook, what do you what do you call thatch?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
The niche? That's it.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
It's got a cool it's got a different tile, and
it's kind of framed in as well. Those are a
couple of things that are can really add just a
just a great obviously functionality, but some great character as
well to it to a bathroom space.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah. Yeah, And we do the best to get we
do the best to get a nice niche in there
wherever we can sometimes it's tough. Usually, like I would
expect to see a bigger niche in there. We custom
make our niches so we're not bound by the twelve
by twelves or twelve or twenty four. We sometimes vary
that based on that on the tile that's going on there.
So if there's an accent tile going in that niche,

(40:50):
sometimes it looks just right if it's a certain size
to fit the tile. I do know that in this house,
we did another baths around the back side of this
one and the two showers met up. Oh, and so
the niches had to be the niches had to work
together a little bit, and that's probably why there's not
a bigger niche in this one.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Things you would never think about until Yeah, that is fascinating.
Talking this week with Mike two egg, speaking of things
you never thought about, you'd be amazed which can be
done when it comes to Homer Modeling and the team
at Edge Construction love to talk with you.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I can just pick a phone, give.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
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