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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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six O eight six three six three three four three
a number six three six Edge as mentioned in studio
this morning with Mike two eg, owner of Edge Construction. Mike,
how you doing this week? Doing great, Sean, It's good
to see you and we are talking kitchens. We're going
to talk about some trends in kitchens. But first for
the show, we were looking at a recent project you
worked on at Edge Construction and something that kind of
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caught my eye is this kitchen wasn't old.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And it was it was my my my.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
When you showed me the before picture, I said, it's
just kind of bland.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It was just kind of no character.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Do you get folks who are like, you know, the
kitchen it's functional and you know it's not completely outdated,
but it's just it just doesn't fit us. Do you
guys get folks that just that are just looking to
kind of make the kitchen or or any space a
little bit more of lively is the right word for it,
but kind of bring some life into some spaces that
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may be a little feel a little drab.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It we do, and and this is a you know
we we we make fun of the builders a little bit, right,
We have that those words building gray, Yeah, and kind
of the first go around sometimes on uh this this
happened to be a condo and uh, you know, right
out of the gate, a lot even on expensive condos,
they don't builders don't always go whole hog on these.
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You know, it's it's pretty utilitarian design. And this is
a this is a this is a perfect one.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
The things just don't it doesn't quite get you there
it's nice. I mean, and if you saw the you know,
we showed our work and the pictures, if you showed
the view out the windows, you'd be like, oh, this
is really cool. You can see down right down Atwood.
It's in a great location and it's not that old
of a building, but you know, it all it all combines, right.
The it had lament at tops, which not making fun
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of those, but you know a little bit blah. They
tend to not take too many chances on design when
they first build these things, so those weren't really didn't
catch your eye, kind of had a carpet that after
fifteen years was pretty worn and not too exciting. And
then the tiles were big square tiles that were indicative
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of the time, like it was just like kind of
earth tones and the lighting is you know, not too great.
So the pictures that at the first first go around,
when you're looking at the before it does it is
kind of blah, is a little bla.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And what I love about it then is you know,
then looking at the at the after pictures and again
I've had an over to Edge Construction Company dot com.
It's titled Traditional Charm kitchen RAM model. You'll see it there.
One of the things that I notice and correct me
if I'm wrong, there was, for example, the cabinet tree.
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I noticed that there's that there's modern fixtures on it.
But are those those look to be the same cabinets?
Is things that were able to be conserved were conserved.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Am I right? Am I seeing that? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah? So the feeling was the cabinets that were in
it weren't too in pretty good shape. This this is
not a unit that had hard use, I would say,
And so we we and it would have felt wasteful
really to tear those out just to do something similar
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the the way that owns this kind of like the
style what it might it might have picked that style
if if we were going to do it all over again.
So we did save what we could and do. Uh,
I don't us call it a light er mileel because
there was a fair amount of things that we did,
but there was no heavy lifting. We didn't tear down walls,
we didn't rearrange the the appliances in the kitchen. Everything.
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The design wasn't bad, especially for the unit, and so yeah,
we were able to save pretty much to all of
the cabinets. We did match up because we did add
on some cabinets and we were able to get really
close with with some new cabinets to do that that
that fit the style of the old.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh those aren't this, those aren't the same brand, those
are really.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
No, these are these are? We matched up with with
one of our suppliers, and so we were able to
get out of the box design that that really unless
you unless you had them sitting right next to each other.
They were extremely close and really the only the only
probably real difference was fifteen years ago when the when
this original kitchen was built, they had an oil based
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polly that they had sprayed on which which does darken
with UV lights. So like some times that happens. And
if you if you so, I gave Oay the secret.
If you're looking at the picture, you will start to
see it, I think a little bit. But it's but
again it's it's it's not really noticeable if you're just
in that kitchen.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It is pretty amazing. Check that out. And and Mike,
I want to ask about some surfaces. First off, the
countertop you mentioned you look at the original laminate and
then they go with quartz.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Is that that is actually granted, but it's got a
unique finish on it. We actually have this one in
a in a bank of cabinets in our showroom and
it's a very unique finish. It's it's when you when
you're it is not a perfectly flat surface. It's kind
of a matte finish and it's the closest I can
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describe it. It feels like you're running a hand across leather.
It's got some texture to it, uh, and so it's
a very cool finish. There aren't really many granites that
you can do this with, uh, and this this is one.
And it just gave some personality to this even though
it's a dark top, it's a black top. Gave some
stally this kitchen that it didn't have before.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Put that undermount sink in there as well, and I'm
guessing with the with the extra counter space, much more
functional area, right.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Because you're you are limited in condos. It's it's kinds
are a little tough because there's units above and blow
you that uh, plumb plumbing pipes and stacks tend to
run through these these buildings and you are really hemmed
in by that. You can't just start rearranging things. So
this someoneer loves to cook and wanted some more counter space,
and and uh didn't mind the peninsula set up that
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that she had originally just needed needed more storage and
more counter space. And so she got that with this,
with this kitchen.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
It's a it's a pretty you know, you look at
the before and after and and and you guys did
amazing work on this kitchen. It's a pretty remarkable change.
I've got a guess too. You mentioned you know, you
look at the refrigerators and the same location being a condo,
a lot of the plumbings and this obviously that the
sinks in the same location, oven, the range, all this stuff.
I've got to guess it's a little bit more of
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an affordable project as well. And when you look at
those type of results, you're talking about money well spent.
That is a that is a really really good.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Use of of of.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
That and and really making better use of of a
great space.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, and it is amazing what you can do with
the dollars when you can preserve and you know, okay,
that's most people would all things being equal to say,
you know, it'd be great to have an island. It'd
be great to change things up of it, and you
like have if you move it, if you move that
peninsul out and get an island, you get a one
less corner cabinet. There's a but like, I don't think
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it would have made sense for the space even if
we could just really nearly move that plumbing around, which
we can't. And so you do other things right, you
pick like this might be considered a little bit bolder countertop.
We added a bunch of light, the open shelves on
the end of the upper cabinets. I think just you know,
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you gotta few things to focus on besides besides that
old kitchen, so it really sprews things up. We have
done this too, where we had one maybe three or
four months ago that finished that it was a similar,
similar model, and that they had cherry cabinets, but they
were twenty years old, and we we refurbished those cabinets
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rather than so we're able to do some work on
those light standing, clean them up really good, spray a
spray a new cot of poly on them, and they
basically look brand new. So when we can do that stuff,
we do. There's a lot of times it doesn't make
sense because you know, if you hate the design in
your kitchen, it's it's pretty difficult to just start moving
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those existing cabinets around and try and make a better
design out of them. But you can't refurbish things when
when when it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You know, one of the things too that that stands
out to me as more as we're talking with Mike
two Wig, owner of Edge Construction, the website edge Construction
Company dot com, mentioned the quartz countertop. It's it's a
it's a you mentioned of unique kind of texture on it.
It's also dark and I noticed with the light cabinets,
the dark countertop and the floor, and part of me
feels like the flooring here is one of those areas
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that really made a difference, that made it go from
you know, that drab beige carpet and those giant kind
of non distinct.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Tiles that were there to go in with this.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You said that was lvy t it's lap a vinyl
plank flooring. So this is a pretty nice upgraded product.
And I mean, even looking at the picture, you go, boy,
that really looks like would but even when you're in
there and on this floor, it really does look like
it's a very nice product. We uh, we we do
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a fair amount of LVP and uh it really works
well in certain situations, this this being one of them.
The condo buildings have they have a wood sub floor,
but then they actually or like an inch or two
of concrete on top of it. It's a real light concrete,
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kind of airy concrete, but it sort of flattens things out,
and it's there for fire protection purposes, and so it's
pretty difficult to do a nail down wood floor in
that instance. I don't know if I'm going to the
weeds a.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Little bit, but that's that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I guess I hadn't thought about I didn't and that
makes it does it makes sense with that too? Is
is Mike, and we talk about some of the kind
of the modern upgrades on and what was already a
fairly modern kitchen. I one of the things in all
the years of doing the show with you I have
learned is I look at the handles and I noticed
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the change was from very small you know, those small
little knobs, yeah, to actual handles, and it looks it
looks absolutely fantastic. I've got to guess that wasn't accidental either.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
No, And this is some of these small details can
really make it. Uh you can tell if you if
you look at the pictures. Uh, this home owner has
a lot of the unique things that she hangs on
the wall, a lot of a lot of unique artwork
and different things. And so I think that it was
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fun for her and designers to work together picking out things.
And like door handles are handles for your hardware, for
your cabinets. You know, it seems like, uh, it's not
that it's just another detail to pick out, but they
can really make an impact. And there and you see
there's she had found something that is a little bit unique.
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Really that style has been around for a long time.
But uh, good good catch on your eye. Uh, this
one comes out quite a bit deeper, so it's very
easy to get your hand in there. It's attractive and
meets the universal design bug a little bit there too,
So it's pretty nice, nice product.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And one final thing on this kitchen and we're gonna
get into some trends in general in just a moment.
One final thing that that that I noticed the mic
the for something else you want to add feel free,
but I noticed the change in the lighting as well.
Is and I'm guessing that that also plays a big
role in making that that kitchen seem more welcoming. Is
the pendant light was removed, I can see the the
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can lighting up top. I'm guessing it looks like some
underlighting there as well. Lighting is such a huge element kitchens,
isn't it it is?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And uh it's it's I do sometimes feel like we're
cheating on the pictures because we share this kind of
dark kitchen that we started with. Well, some of that
has to do with the lighting. It's just I wish
I could say that even on new construction. Now we're
getting it right, we're getting it more right. But uh,
I think you don't realize the importance of lighting and
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what a difference that can make in that space. And
the key is to be able to daylight these spaces
and especially someplace that we can do a lot of work,
like a kitchen, but and then be able to control
it so you can dial it back. With dimmers, you
can you can have different sections of lighting that where
everything's not tied together. And in a condo, you know,
I talked about the difficulty of plumbing and moving that
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around if we had to double the the the lighting
in a condo building, you know, in a in a
in a unit, a condobility without being able to pull
new circuits. The only way we can do it is
with LED lighting because it doesn't draw as much power.
One final note too, is, uh, the backsplash material to me,
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was such a smart choice. It's just a really cool
light gray that it doesn't necessarily draw your eye because
the bold things in these in these pictures in this
kind of are are the floor and probably that countertop,
and so to have another really bold thing, you know,
on a backsplash, it's a lot of times backsplash is
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adding personality to that space, but this one it's just
a it's just a cool blend there, and so uh,
kudos to the designers and all around that one.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I'd say, a nice treat for your eyes that doesn't scream, right,
And I was fibbing before I was.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I was saying that that I wasn't gonna ask about anything.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I got one other area that I was going to
ask you about, and it's important to mention, is there's
that area just off to the side. It was a
little nook that was there looked like kind of like
maybe use maybe intendies like a desk or something, but
there was you guys were able to give give some
great cabinets and a great countertop, and continuing with that,
those three floating shelves kind of continue that look into
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that space. That's a neat, little neat, little cubby nook
kind of area there.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, and that's an area where you go, Okay, how
much do I need a designer to help me? Right?
I can I come up with ideas. That's a that
is such a it went from being just a spot, Okay,
we're it looked like the builder at that point just said,
you know, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna
pile something in there to a really well designed space
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and now you're going, wow, you got some floating cabinets,
the floating shelves. It's it's that is probably a space
that will catch your eye more than the kitchen even
because you know, you can display something and it just
looks well to me, that really looks well designed.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It has and it has like I don't know how
to I don't know if it's the clock that the
design that's been there.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
The clock is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, it's it's just got Yeah, it's got that it's
a little curious and a little it's a very very
cool space.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So definitely check that out.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
As we're talking this morning, we're gonna get into kitchen trends,
the one we just spoke about, traditional charm kitchen renovation,
stained cabinets. Check that out. Edge Construction Company dot com.
That's all one word Edge Construction Company dot Com. Telephon
number for Edge Construction six so eight six three six
three three four three that number six three six edge.
Of course, Edge Construction brings you the Homer Modeling Show.
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Right here, I'm thirteen ten Wuiba. This is the Homer
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Houses a biggie, especially when thinking about doing some remodeling.
Just head on over to Edge Construction Company dot com.
Click on that link to the house page. You'll see
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three three four three that number six three six. Edge
talked earlier about that about that recent recent kitchen remodel
which was a smaller project, and we're going to be
talking about some of the trends that are happening now.
And Mike, I know for a number of years three
letters have been occupying our conversation when it comes to lighting,
l ED, which I do believe is a light emitting
diode for for the those types of it's lead lighting,
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as you mentioned obviously in the application we were talking about earlier,
with a condo where you you know, low vult you
don't have to worry about the power draw. It's a
great tool. But just in general, they've really perfected LED lighting.
Are pretty darn close to perfected LED lighting?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Or have they?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Can we say they perfected it? I think it's getting
better all the time. I mean, you know, we had
some issues when it first, you know, first like maybe
eight or ten years.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It was.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It seemed like a while where even myself, I remember
my wife bringing home some light bulbs and I was
just like, oh my gosh, what this pain in my head?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
What is this?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It was like the light was was was not quite right?
Like it didn't it hurts your eyes, and a lot
of people didn't didn't like it. Now, the benefits of
long lasting bulbs and not using much electricity, I mean
comparatively almost no electricity compared to normal bulbs or normal fixtures.
But now it's got Now it's a totally different story.
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Now you can pick your the style light you like, uh,
you know, like daylight is what most people tend to pick.
It's just I think it's what three thousand looms or something.
There are actually led So the the base lighting for
us in kitchens is the we call them can lights
just because everybody knows what a can light is. But
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it's really not a can light can light. It's only
about an inch thick fixture. It's it's stamped. There are
benefits to it aside from the lighting side. Is that
to me? If you you know, we we hang drywall
on a ceiling because it looks nice and and and
it's a great paintable surface and we can texture it.
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But also because it takes a while for fire to
go through it, So if you do that and then
punch a bunch of holes and just put can lights
up there, you're kind of making a chase that that
I can go up. Where whereas the the LED fixtures
are a stamp fixture that they have some whiteers that
perforate that stamp, that metal stamp. But it's but it's
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controlled and so the you know, and they don't they
don't really claim this. They don't have a uh you
all listing for stopping fire from going through it. But
to me, it makes a lot more sense. You just
you're just not letting air fly up that fixture. But yeah,
we had trouble even as money as maybe five six
years ago dimming those fixtures, and that has been totally fixed.
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It took a little while for everything to catch up
to LED and figure out how to work with it.
But you, uh, we were just talking a little bit
about and he brought it up again, the power uses.
So when when we would walk into an older kitchen,
the first words out of our my mouth would be
we did We're gonna have to bring you know, three
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or four new circuits up here, and now it's like
more like one to three because we can use those
existing circuits to power a bunch more lighting. And because
it's LED, it just doesn't use that much power. So
it's it's really handy in a bunch of ways.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I've got to guess it's pretty especially if you're going
from incandescent or CFLs to LED. The power draw has
got to be a pretty substantial change. You mentioned too,
air flying out, flying out, flying out of the fixture,
and I know from I'm talking with folks as far
as like just overall home performance energy performance CAN lights
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are notorious, like the true canlights for just being just
like a place where that heated air just gets pulled
up into the attic, having these.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Like a chimney effect basically.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I'm guessing since these are with the LED fixtures,
they're not going up like that. I'm going to guess
that they're easier to insulate it. I mean there's got
to be some efficiencies there as well.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, and so if you've so on a second story,
if you're in a ranch house on your first for
your ceiling there, those CAN lights would stick up six seven,
eight inches, and if you are blowing in a foot
of insulation or more, how do you deal with that?
Do you kind of mount it up over the cans?
It is hard to insulate. Over time, things settle and
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then plus you've got this like heated up space. You
know that that eight inches of can light is as
a hot space, you know, and then you're adding the
bulb to it, which you know that makes it hotter.
So you do get that chimney effect where air just
wants to go up there. So I do think it's
it solves that problem because LED doesn't really create a
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lot of heat to begin with. And then you've got,
you know, a fully insulated space above that, above that canlight.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
What about we talked too about LEDs and you know,
part of those those trends, those big picture remodeling trends
under cabinet lighting, which again we talked about with with
that kitchener model in the first segment. And I know
when you're doing kitchens that under cabinet lighting is is
so vital And LED has become a game changer for that,
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hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
It has everything else that we tried prior to LED
created heat, So you'd have halogens or you'd have I
forget whatever what else we even use now it's been
so long, but they they got hot, and so nobody
really liked that. You know, if you had things in
your copboard, your company alias felt hot in your cabinet
and uh so LED can do more in a smaller space,
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create less heat. You know, we still have to have
a little transformer. LED lights have a little it's like
a box that that powers that light, changes that light.
But it really solves that problem. And again you you know,
you can do all the things. You can dim it,
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you can control. It uses less power and gets more
done in a small space.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Tug this morning with Mike two Egg, owner of Edge Construction,
the website edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one word,
Edge Construction Company dot com. I know there's a hotel
change that says we'll leave the light on for you.
One of the nice things about LEDs, as you mentioned
some of those under cabinet lighting and the fact that
you know, especially comparably next to no next to no
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draw when it comes to current, nice to kind of
keep a light on so when you have to get
up for I hear folks get up.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
For midnight snacks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I would never get up for midnight snack. But being
able to leave those lights on.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
A great reason.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
If there's half a cake in the frist, that's just
not fair.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, exactly exactly. It's pretty pretty cool stuff. And Mike
would love to talk to you. I got just be
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three four three the number six three six edge talking
this week about kitchens, some of the trends happening right now,
and of course things like you know, areas like sustainability
and those type of things are part of the conversation.
I think we all want to do what's right by
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you know, by any project, and I think that there
is sometimes questions about what truly is, you know, when
it comes to when it comes to being sustainable. In others,
what's kind of the best route to go. Let's talk
about flooring and something that's interesting sometimes what's the oldest
is the bestest?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The way to go?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I know you're a you're you're a big advocate
and a and a big fan is if if it
can be done real wood is is that's the bee's
knees the cats me out.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
The way to go with with flooring oftentimes is I.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Think all the cool people are putting in wood floors,
you know, and if you know what beesnes is that
we should talk. So yeah, basically our flooring falls into
a few categories. We got tile, which most people know
what what tile is. We talked a little bit about
the vinyl plank stuff, whether it's glue down or a
floating floor, and then and then the real woods and
(25:23):
engineered woods. So I want to hit I'll briefly go
to the other stuff and I will finish on the
on the nail down wood floors. So, uh, tile, I think, okay,
it's uh a man made product, like we grind things
up and bake it and make it into tiles.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The the advantage to tile now is, you know, if
you're talking about a sustainable product, it just really doesn't
need much maintenance. It lasts until you're going to be
sick of it. Right, it's hard to if it's installed correctly.
Right about half the time that we're installing new tile,
it's because it was originally installed wrong and it had failed.
Hows are loosening up cracking the grout will start to
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come out and fail. But the other the rest of
the time, it's just it's just dated. I think that
was somewhat of a We talked about the large square
tiles in that kitchen that we just did or just posted. Uh,
you know, that's what tyle looked like twenty years ago,
fifteen years ago. Now there's a lot more choices and
you can do more interesting things. You can do. You
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can find things that are unique and fit your style
or fit your house's style. It's a lot easier to do.
So I'd say that still falls in a pretty sustainable category.
The vinyl plank stuff, Okay, it's a petroleum based product,
but it's a petroleum based product that lasts a long time,
like it's a it. It to me falls into the
like laminate countertop charactery. Even when you're seg about the
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stuff won't die, you can't get rid of it. I
won't won't fail on you, But I I we do
a fair amount of installing of the lvps. It's just
a nice thing if you're if you don't like tile
in a bathroom, lvp's probably the way to go. You
don't want to put wood floor down, a real wood
floor down in a bathroom. But I think within limits,
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like it's it finds its place, like we have done
this this product, like anything, there's there's really a high
end of this product. There's really a low end of
this product. We probably have had our best luck with
the top third of of the lvps that are on
the market. When you dip below that, you kind have
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problems with it. Unlocking it tends to expand and contract
a lot if it's in front of a window or
a patio door, a lot of sunlight shining on its.
You do have to be careful when you've got long
spans of this stuff because it can only expand it
contract so much. Right, it's going to run into something
that's not going to move, So it does have a
couple of little failings. Next thing I'll hit is the
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engineered would This is something when it first came on
the market, it's it's basically like a layers, so you've
got to almost apply with layer on the bottom. You know,
the strength of plywood is is thin layers of wood
going in different directions, so it it gains a lot
of strength that way and stability. Then you mount, basically
you adhere real wood to the top of that. And
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it can be a refinishable part of wood, you know,
it can be like a half inch of refinishable wood
that's that's lamined on top of that plywood, or can
have texture. It can be the handscrape looked and things
like that. I thought this product would take off more
than it has. It seems like with the the the
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move back to natural products, we went from the engineered
stuff like the like the the lvps we were talking about,
and jumped over that to a real wood product, which
is you know, old school three quarters an inch of
solid wood maple or oak or hickory or whatever, and
nail that stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Down with the nail down wood floors too. They last
a long time, and boy, they can they hold up
to everything. And what's what's crazy about him is I've
seen houses you guys have remodeled that have had nail
down wood floors from one hundred years ago and refinish
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it and put it and it looks as as beautiful
and as new as the day it was it was
first laid down.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And this stuff literally just goes and goes and goes.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, And I don't know if you can, if you
can find a greener product than that, let me know,
because like you said, we've we've finished. We do that
in house, by the way, we we have the equipment
and and the reason we brought that in house, that
refinishing of that old wood would for a product is
that a lot of times we're matching finishes and maybe
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adding on or replacing parts of it, and and it's
sometimes hard to find people that will do a good
job of that. Uh, people that are in that industry
tend to want to do big opening expanses of it.
And I understand that it's how you make time, make money.
But to slow down this process and start matching finishes,
matching colors, you know, there's believe or not, there's there's
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a lot of different species of all those woods I listed,
And there's times where we go we take wood in
and they go, well, this looks like a southern Missouri
oak or something, or something out of the yeah, smoky mountains,
and it's like, well, you can buy that. You can
actually get that now, And so matching up as a
real trick. Yeah, there's We've finished floors that were well
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over one hundred years and old and still have a
lot of life in them, and I just I can't
think of them of a greener product.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Do you do?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You get folks that are that are saying, we don't
have nail down right now, and we really want to
go that, well, like we've you know, this house is
you know something that we're committed to making sure that
it's that it. You know, we did everything right, We
want to make sure everything fits. You get folks that say,
let's let's let's talk nail nail down real wood floor.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We do.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And as parts of remodels, we you know, there's there's
people that don't have any wood floor and they're like,
you know, this is what we want. Especially when you
you start talking through the pros and cons of all
these different flooring products. There are advantages to those those
click floorings, those snap together floors where you know, it
just it's easier, to be honest, you're going you're going
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right over the top of stuff. There's a little more
prep with the wood floors. It's not as expensive as
you think budget wise to go to a wood floor.
Probably the kicker is it takes a two or three
more days in the schedule tad on, which doesn't sound
like much, but you know, we're always trying to keep
control of those schedules. I there's many times where a
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homeowner will have one room that it has wood floor.
You know, it might have been a formal living room,
or it might have been a family room and the
rest of it's carpet and the kitchens you know, might
be tile or something or or or click floor, and uh,
they just end up liking that one room so much
would Natural wood has a warmth to it that I
don't think you get out of out of uh the
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man made stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Just thing you say it that way because I jotted
down the feel is different because you can tell is.
And and again there's amazing alternatives out there. There's amazing
you know, they really do a good job with the
l VP and other things to the look of wood,
the texture of wood. But you can when it's real wood,
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when it's when it's that nail to you know, right
like it feels it does. I don't know if that's
it's that warmth of what, but you do feel a
difference to the product you do.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And and I think there is some uh, you know,
homore responsibility here. You they people are tending towards the
natural products. You know, stone countertops are a huge one.
And I think it's it's it's when you're in design
and you're picking out these things, you're you're always trying
to uh we are too, our designers too. We're homeowners
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together as a team, we're trying to figure out what
this space is gonna feel like, you know, we're designing
it on CAD. We're picking out products and putting this
all together. But it is it has gotten to be
which I think is so healthy for homes. Is it's
like responsible remieling. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna pick out
products that we really like that that give us the
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right feel, whether it's the right flooring or adding window
space in a kitchen or doing things with lighting. Like
we were talking before.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
We're gonna talk.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
You mentioned stone countertops, so we'll probably get into those
in the next segment. But real quick, one thing I
want to ask you too about we were talking earlier
about cabinets and and a little bit about doors as well.
Looking at these trends, I see Shaker is quite popular
when it comes to upgraded, upgrade cabinets. We hear shaker,
shaker style. What are we talking about there? And and
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I've got to guess that's especially true even here in
Madison and Dane County, Isn't.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It very much? Shaker is a is a pretty clean
looking cabinet door. It doesn't have a lot of kind
of fruit fee design on it. You know, you never
mistake it for like a Victorian style something really or
Nate's that it's that flat center panel with a variable
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sized wood band that goes around it. I don't know
if I'm doing this right, but I can always tell
what's popular because our cabinet manufacturers now have when they
bring out new stuff, it's usually a variation of shakers.
So if you look in our shreroom now, it's going
to go, well, this is shaker with a little bit
of something on the inside, a little bit of extra
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detail to it. And I think we have ten or
twelve different versions of the shaker now. But you can
widen out the band, you can narrow the band, you
can full overlay doors not for over the doors, and
then there's there's little additions to them that they do.
So I don't think shaker's going away because it appeals
to everybody. Like somebody that's really traditional and understands that
and loves old houses. It's going to appeal to them
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because it fits in really well. The younger crowd, they're
looking for clean, simple lines and it and it appeals
to them too, so it's it's a smart move.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I think that the kitchen we talked about earlier, the
recent condo one, those were I if memory serving me,
I know that was that was like twenty minutes now
but memory. Seriously, I thought though those were Shaker as well.
I could be I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, Shaker. It's so this was, you know, kindos like
the builders didn't really go overbore. They put in nice cabinets,
not you know, nothing, nothing super fancy. But it's a
shaker style Cabinet's a little thinner band around the outside,
but very nice clean look. So fits the bill.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
It's a really and if you missed that earlier part
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the podcast the radio station's website also Edge Construction Company
dot com. While you're there, check out that kitchen. Traditional
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Edge Mike mentioned stone countertops.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
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Speaker 2 (36:40):
Telephone number six.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
O eight six three six three three four three that
number six three six Edge talking about kitchen trends and
things that are happening right now, Mike. When you were
talking about some of the you know, kind of natural
we're talking about wood floors, kind of that natural stuff
being in you mentioned stone countertops, and I feel like
we'd be we'd be remiss if we didn't bring up
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stone countertops.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
When it comes to kitchens. What a what.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
A cool upgrade all around they are and functional, beautiful, sturdy.
I mean they kind of like whether it's whether what
we were talking earlier, the granite or or the quarts,
I mean, they just it's just amazing what what what
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they can do. And they've really become a game changer,
haven't they.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
They have and you know we're gonna talking about Courts
and we'll finish up with that, but I'll just hit
Granted for just a minute. As quarts gained in popularity,
Granted kind of lost market share to quurts. I want
to talk about grants for a minute, because there we
are now starting to get some new granite into our
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showroom that are pretty appealing. Price point is pretty good,
and it people as this view like quartz is, you know,
three times better than Granted. It's really not. It's twenty
percent better. I'll say that. I guess it really is
a better product, mainly because quartz is a is a
harder stone actually than granite. But granted is you're never
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gonna wear. There are there are granites that are that
are you know, from two thousand years ago, that are
supposedly in Europe that are still going strong. I mean,
I hope they're not eating dinner on them anymore, but
you know, the grants and marbles are still there.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Courts now takes they they take quartz stone and blend
it and make the designs. So like the advantage to
the courts is they can replicate basically an Italian granite
and and they can do it here. You know, a
bunch of our courts comes from Minnesota, and they they
can they can blend it, do a do a really
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good copy, let's say, of the design and designs have
gotten better and better and better over the years, and
and and it looks just like a natural stone. And
they've gone so far beyond that where they're making basically
new stones like we had. The white Marbley looking countertops
got popular a few years ago, and we probably have
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now thirty different versions of that to pick from. So
the gray veins going through, the black veins going through,
there's varying levels. You can get to that in a
bunch of different finishes and so quarts. They grind the
courts up, use a binder, some kind of magic that
puts it together. It's now this manufactured product, but it's
a natural stone, harder than granite, Gonna last forever. All
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the more reason, by the way, to do a good
job designing your space, because you don't want to have
to tear apart in a beautiful quartz countertop.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Talking about working with the designers at Edge Construction and
getting that right. One thing too, as we talk about
kitchen or any space in the house, maintenance. Quartz, you
talk about another big area that it checks a good box.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No maintenance on that.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
So there's really no maintenance. I think that adds to
the you know, we're talking about sustainabilit You don't have
to maintain something. That's pretty helpful. Now the grant people
will say, well, okay, no maintenance and very little maintenance. Granted,
especially the darker ones. There's not much you have to do.
You can you can buy a treatment, a little bottle
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of treatment, you spray on once or twice a year,
wipe it off. That's literally all you have to do
with the granite. So I don't want to I don't
want to talk badly about granite, but both are great products.
Both both have natural elements. Obviously the granite is just
carved out of the mountains, so pretty can't get much
more natural in that.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I feel like quartz is like that. As somebody who's
owned a Toyota, it feels like the Toyota of countering town.
Give a little attention there, just it's just going to
be perfect for you. So whether you're looking looking quartz, granite, marble,
any type of countertop flooring, looking to do that kitchen,
a model today is a great dat to start that conversation.
Learn more online Edge Construction Company dot com. That's Edgeconstruction
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at edge Construction very very cool, very interesting. But this
week it's a it's a smaller project. We're getting some
of the details with Mike on that in just a moment,
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
The thing about doing is doing some reermodeling.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
All you do is pick up phone, give a call
six O eight six three six three three four three
a number six three six Edge as mentioned in studio
this morning with Mike two eg, owner of Edge Construction. Mike,
how you doing this week? Doing great, Sean, It's good
to see you and we are talking kitchens. We're going
to talk about some trends in kitchens. But first for
the show, we were looking at a recent project you
worked on at Edge Construction and something that kind of
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caught my eye is this kitchen wasn't old.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And it was it was my my my.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
When you showed me the before picture, I said, it's
just kind of bland.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
It was just kind of no character.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Do you get folks who are like, you know, the
kitchen it's functional and you know it's not completely outdated,
but it's just it just doesn't fit us. Do you
guys get folks that just that are just looking to
kind of make the kitchen or or any space a
little bit more of lively is the right word for it,
but kind of bring some life into some spaces that
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may be a little feel a little drab.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It we do, and and this is a you know
we we we make fun of the builders a little bit, right,
We have that those words building gray, Yeah, and kind
of the first go around sometimes on uh this this
happened to be a condo and uh, you know, right
out of the gate, a lot even on expensive condos,
they don't builders don't always go whole hog on these.
(01:53):
You know, it's it's pretty utilitarian design. And this is
a this is a this is a perfect one.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
The things just don't it doesn't quite get you there
it's nice. I mean, and if you saw the you know,
we showed our work and the pictures, if you showed
the view out the windows, you'd be like, oh, this
is really cool. You can see down right down Atwood.
It's in a great location and it's not that old
of a building, but you know, it all it all combines, right.
The it had lament at tops, which not making fun
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of those, but you know a little bit blah. They
tend to not take too many chances on design when
they first build these things, so those weren't really didn't
catch your eye, kind of had a carpet that after
fifteen years was pretty worn and not too exciting. And
then the tiles were big square tiles that were indicative
(02:43):
of the time, like it was just like kind of
earth tones and the lighting is you know, not too great.
So the pictures that at the first first go around,
when you're looking at the before it does it is
kind of blah, is a little bla.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And what I love about it then is you know,
then looking at the at the after pictures and again
I've had an over to Edge Construction Company dot com.
It's titled Traditional Charm kitchen RAM model. You'll see it there.
One of the things that I notice and correct me
if I'm wrong, there was, for example, the cabinet tree.
(03:18):
I noticed that there's that there's modern fixtures on it.
But are those those look to be the same cabinets?
Is things that were able to be conserved were conserved.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Am I right? Am I seeing that? Right?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah? So the feeling was the cabinets that were in
it weren't too in pretty good shape. This this is
not a unit that had hard use, I would say,
And so we we and it would have felt wasteful
really to tear those out just to do something similar
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the the way that owns this kind of like the
style what it might it might have picked that style
if if we were going to do it all over again.
So we did save what we could and do. Uh,
I don't us call it a light er mileel because
there was a fair amount of things that we did,
but there was no heavy lifting. We didn't tear down walls,
we didn't rearrange the the appliances in the kitchen. Everything.
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The design wasn't bad, especially for the unit, and so yeah,
we were able to save pretty much to all of
the cabinets. We did match up because we did add
on some cabinets and we were able to get really
close with with some new cabinets to do that that
that fit the style of the old.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh those aren't this, those aren't the same brand, those
are really.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
No, these are these are? We matched up with with
one of our suppliers, and so we were able to
get out of the box design that that really unless
you unless you had them sitting right next to each other.
They were extremely close and really the only the only
probably real difference was fifteen years ago when the when
this original kitchen was built, they had an oil based
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polly that they had sprayed on which which does darken
with UV lights. So like some times that happens. And
if you if you so, I gave Oay the secret.
If you're looking at the picture, you will start to
see it, I think a little bit. But it's but
again it's it's it's not really noticeable if you're just
in that kitchen.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
It is pretty amazing. Check that out. And and Mike,
I want to ask about some surfaces. First off, the
countertop you mentioned you look at the original laminate and
then they go with quartz.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Is that that is actually granted, but it's got a
unique finish on it. We actually have this one in
a in a bank of cabinets in our showroom and
it's a very unique finish. It's it's when you when
you're it is not a perfectly flat surface. It's kind
of a matte finish and it's the closest I can
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describe it. It feels like you're running a hand across leather.
It's got some texture to it, uh, and so it's
a very cool finish. There aren't really many granites that
you can do this with, uh, and this this is one.
And it just gave some personality to this even though
it's a dark top, it's a black top. Gave some
stally this kitchen that it didn't have before.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Put that undermount sink in there as well, and I'm
guessing with the with the extra counter space, much more
functional area, right.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Because you're you are limited in condos. It's it's kinds
are a little tough because there's units above and blow
you that uh, plumb plumbing pipes and stacks tend to
run through these these buildings and you are really hemmed
in by that. You can't just start rearranging things. So
this someoneer loves to cook and wanted some more counter space,
and and uh didn't mind the peninsula set up that
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that she had originally just needed needed more storage and
more counter space. And so she got that with this,
with this kitchen.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
It's a it's a pretty you know, you look at
the before and after and and and you guys did
amazing work on this kitchen. It's a pretty remarkable change.
I've got a guess too. You mentioned you know, you
look at the refrigerators and the same location being a condo,
a lot of the plumbings and this obviously that the
sinks in the same location, oven, the range, all this stuff.
I've got to guess it's a little bit more of
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an affordable project as well. And when you look at
those type of results, you're talking about money well spent.
That is a that is a really really good.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Use of of of.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
That and and really making better use of of a
great space.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, and it is amazing what you can do with
the dollars when you can preserve and you know, okay,
that's most people would all things being equal to say,
you know, it'd be great to have an island. It'd
be great to change things up of it, and you
like have if you move it, if you move that
peninsul out and get an island, you get a one
less corner cabinet. There's a but like, I don't think
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it would have made sense for the space even if
we could just really nearly move that plumbing around, which
we can't. And so you do other things right, you
pick like this might be considered a little bit bolder countertop.
We added a bunch of light, the open shelves on
the end of the upper cabinets. I think just you know,
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you gotta few things to focus on besides besides that
old kitchen, so it really sprews things up. We have
done this too, where we had one maybe three or
four months ago that finished that it was a similar,
similar model, and that they had cherry cabinets, but they
were twenty years old, and we we refurbished those cabinets
(08:22):
rather than so we're able to do some work on
those light standing, clean them up really good, spray a
spray a new cot of poly on them, and they
basically look brand new. So when we can do that stuff,
we do. There's a lot of times it doesn't make
sense because you know, if you hate the design in
your kitchen, it's it's pretty difficult to just start moving
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those existing cabinets around and try and make a better
design out of them. But you can't refurbish things when
when when it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You know, one of the things too that that stands
out to me as more as we're talking with Mike
two Wig, owner of Edge Construction, the website edge Construction
Company dot com, mentioned the quartz countertop. It's it's a
it's a you mentioned of unique kind of texture on it.
It's also dark and I noticed with the light cabinets,
the dark countertop and the floor, and part of me
feels like the flooring here is one of those areas
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that really made a difference, that made it go from
you know, that drab beige carpet and those giant kind
of non distinct.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Tiles that were there to go in with this.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You said that was lvy t it's lap a vinyl
plank flooring. So this is a pretty nice upgraded product.
And I mean, even looking at the picture, you go, boy,
that really looks like would but even when you're in
there and on this floor, it really does look like
it's a very nice product. We uh, we we do
(09:44):
a fair amount of LVP and uh it really works
well in certain situations, this this being one of them.
The condo buildings have they have a wood sub floor,
but then they actually or like an inch or two
of concrete on top of it. It's a real light concrete,
(10:04):
kind of airy concrete, but it sort of flattens things out,
and it's there for fire protection purposes, and so it's
pretty difficult to do a nail down wood floor in
that instance. I don't know if I'm going to the
weeds a.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Little bit, but that's that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I guess I hadn't thought about I didn't and that
makes it does it makes sense with that too? Is
is Mike, and we talk about some of the kind
of the modern upgrades on and what was already a
fairly modern kitchen. I one of the things in all
the years of doing the show with you I have
learned is I look at the handles and I noticed
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the change was from very small you know, those small
little knobs, yeah, to actual handles, and it looks it
looks absolutely fantastic. I've got to guess that wasn't accidental either.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
No, And this is some of these small details can
really make it. Uh you can tell if you if
you look at the pictures. Uh, this home owner has
a lot of the unique things that she hangs on
the wall, a lot of a lot of unique artwork
and different things. And so I think that it was
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fun for her and designers to work together picking out things.
And like door handles are handles for your hardware, for
your cabinets. You know, it seems like, uh, it's not
that it's just another detail to pick out, but they
can really make an impact. And there and you see
there's she had found something that is a little bit unique.
(11:32):
Really that style has been around for a long time.
But uh, good good catch on your eye. Uh, this
one comes out quite a bit deeper, so it's very
easy to get your hand in there. It's attractive and
meets the universal design bug a little bit there too,
So it's pretty nice, nice product.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And one final thing on this kitchen and we're gonna
get into some trends in general in just a moment.
One final thing that that that I noticed the mic
the for something else you want to add feel free,
but I noticed the change in the lighting as well.
Is and I'm guessing that that also plays a big
role in making that that kitchen seem more welcoming. Is
the pendant light was removed, I can see the the
(12:10):
can lighting up top. I'm guessing it looks like some
underlighting there as well. Lighting is such a huge element kitchens,
isn't it it is?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And uh it's it's I do sometimes feel like we're
cheating on the pictures because we share this kind of
dark kitchen that we started with. Well, some of that
has to do with the lighting. It's just I wish
I could say that even on new construction. Now we're
getting it right, we're getting it more right. But uh,
I think you don't realize the importance of lighting and
(12:40):
what a difference that can make in that space. And
the key is to be able to daylight these spaces
and especially someplace that we can do a lot of work,
like a kitchen, but and then be able to control
it so you can dial it back. With dimmers, you
can you can have different sections of lighting that where
everything's not tied together. And in a condo, you know,
I talked about the difficulty of plumbing and moving that
(13:03):
around if we had to double the the the lighting
in a condo building, you know, in a in a
in a unit, a condobility without being able to pull
new circuits. The only way we can do it is
with LED lighting because it doesn't draw as much power.
One final note too, is, uh, the backsplash material to me,
(13:25):
was such a smart choice. It's just a really cool
light gray that it doesn't necessarily draw your eye because
the bold things in these in these pictures in this
kind of are are the floor and probably that countertop,
and so to have another really bold thing, you know,
on a backsplash, it's a lot of times backsplash is
(13:48):
adding personality to that space, but this one it's just
a it's just a cool blend there, and so uh,
kudos to the designers and all around that one.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I'd say, a nice treat for your eyes that doesn't scream, right,
And I was fibbing before I was.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I was saying that that I wasn't gonna ask about anything.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
I got one other area that I was going to
ask you about, and it's important to mention, is there's
that area just off to the side. It was a
little nook that was there looked like kind of like
maybe use maybe intendies like a desk or something, but
there was you guys were able to give give some
great cabinets and a great countertop, and continuing with that,
those three floating shelves kind of continue that look into
(14:30):
that space. That's a neat, little neat, little cubby nook
kind of area there.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, and that's an area where you go, Okay, how
much do I need a designer to help me? Right?
I can I come up with ideas. That's a that
is such a it went from being just a spot, Okay,
we're it looked like the builder at that point just said,
you know, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna
pile something in there to a really well designed space
(14:56):
and now you're going, wow, you got some floating cabinets,
the floating shelves. It's it's that is probably a space
that will catch your eye more than the kitchen even
because you know, you can display something and it just
looks well to me, that really looks well designed.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It has and it has like I don't know how
to I don't know if it's the clock that the
design that's been there.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
The clock is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, it's it's just got Yeah, it's got that it's
a little curious and a little it's a very very
cool space.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
So definitely check that out.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
As we're talking this morning, we're gonna get into kitchen trends,
the one we just spoke about, traditional charm kitchen renovation,
stained cabinets. Check that out. Edge Construction Company dot com.
That's all one word Edge Construction Company dot Com. Telephon
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three three four three that number six three six. Edge
talked earlier about that about that recent recent kitchen remodel
which was a smaller project, and we're going to be
talking about some of the trends that are happening now.
And Mike, I know for a number of years three
letters have been occupying our conversation when it comes to lighting,
l ED, which I do believe is a light emitting
diode for for the those types of it's lead lighting,
(17:02):
as you mentioned obviously in the application we were talking about earlier,
with a condo where you you know, low vult you
don't have to worry about the power draw. It's a
great tool. But just in general, they've really perfected LED lighting.
Are pretty darn close to perfected LED lighting?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Or have they?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Can we say they perfected it? I think it's getting
better all the time. I mean, you know, we had
some issues when it first, you know, first like maybe
eight or ten years.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It was.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It seemed like a while where even myself, I remember
my wife bringing home some light bulbs and I was
just like, oh my gosh, what this pain in my head?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
What is this?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It was like the light was was was not quite right?
Like it didn't it hurts your eyes, and a lot
of people didn't didn't like it. Now, the benefits of
long lasting bulbs and not using much electricity, I mean
comparatively almost no electricity compared to normal bulbs or normal fixtures.
But now it's got Now it's a totally different story.
(18:01):
Now you can pick your the style light you like, uh,
you know, like daylight is what most people tend to pick.
It's just I think it's what three thousand looms or something.
There are actually led So the the base lighting for
us in kitchens is the we call them can lights
just because everybody knows what a can light is. But
(18:23):
it's really not a can light can light. It's only
about an inch thick fixture. It's it's stamped. There are
benefits to it aside from the lighting side. Is that
to me? If you you know, we we hang drywall
on a ceiling because it looks nice and and and
it's a great paintable surface and we can texture it.
(18:43):
But also because it takes a while for fire to
go through it, So if you do that and then
punch a bunch of holes and just put can lights
up there, you're kind of making a chase that that
I can go up. Where whereas the the LED fixtures
are a stamp fixture that they have some whiteers that
perforate that stamp, that metal stamp. But it's but it's
(19:04):
controlled and so the you know, and they don't they
don't really claim this. They don't have a uh you
all listing for stopping fire from going through it. But
to me, it makes a lot more sense. You just
you're just not letting air fly up that fixture. But yeah,
we had trouble even as money as maybe five six
years ago dimming those fixtures, and that has been totally fixed.
(19:27):
It took a little while for everything to catch up
to LED and figure out how to work with it.
But you, uh, we were just talking a little bit
about and he brought it up again, the power uses.
So when when we would walk into an older kitchen,
the first words out of our my mouth would be
we did We're gonna have to bring you know, three
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or four new circuits up here, and now it's like
more like one to three because we can use those
existing circuits to power a bunch more lighting. And because
it's LED, it just doesn't use that much power. So
it's it's really handy in a bunch of ways.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I've got to guess it's pretty especially if you're going
from incandescent or CFLs to LED. The power draw has
got to be a pretty substantial change. You mentioned too,
air flying out, flying out, flying out of the fixture,
and I know from I'm talking with folks as far
as like just overall home performance energy performance CAN lights
(20:23):
are notorious, like the true canlights for just being just
like a place where that heated air just gets pulled
up into the attic, having these.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Like a chimney effect basically.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I'm guessing since these are with the LED fixtures,
they're not going up like that. I'm going to guess
that they're easier to insulate it. I mean there's got
to be some efficiencies there as well.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, and so if you've so on a second story,
if you're in a ranch house on your first for
your ceiling there, those CAN lights would stick up six seven,
eight inches, and if you are blowing in a foot
of insulation or more, how do you deal with that?
Do you kind of mount it up over the cans?
It is hard to insulate. Over time, things settle and
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then plus you've got this like heated up space. You
know that that eight inches of can light is as
a hot space, you know, and then you're adding the
bulb to it, which you know that makes it hotter.
So you do get that chimney effect where air just
wants to go up there. So I do think it's
it solves that problem because LED doesn't really create a
(21:30):
lot of heat to begin with. And then you've got,
you know, a fully insulated space above that, above that canlight.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
What about we talked too about LEDs and you know,
part of those those trends, those big picture remodeling trends
under cabinet lighting, which again we talked about with with
that kitchener model in the first segment. And I know
when you're doing kitchens that under cabinet lighting is is
so vital And LED has become a game changer for that,
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hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
It has everything else that we tried prior to LED
created heat, So you'd have halogens or you'd have I
forget whatever what else we even use now it's been
so long, but they they got hot, and so nobody
really liked that. You know, if you had things in
your copboard, your company alias felt hot in your cabinet
and uh so LED can do more in a smaller space,
(22:21):
create less heat. You know, we still have to have
a little transformer. LED lights have a little it's like
a box that that powers that light, changes that light.
But it really solves that problem. And again you you know,
you can do all the things. You can dim it,
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you can control. It uses less power and gets more
done in a small space.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Tug this morning with Mike two Egg, owner of Edge Construction,
the website edge Construction Company dot com. That's all one word,
Edge Construction Company dot com. I know there's a hotel
change that says we'll leave the light on for you.
One of the nice things about LEDs, as you mentioned
some of those under cabinet lighting and the fact that
you know, especially comparably next to no next to no
(23:08):
draw when it comes to current, nice to kind of
keep a light on so when you have to get
up for I hear folks get up.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
For midnight snacks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I would never get up for midnight snack. But being
able to leave those lights on.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
A great reason.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
If there's half a cake in the frist, that's just
not fair.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, exactly exactly. It's pretty pretty cool stuff. And Mike
would love to talk to you. I got just be
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this week about kitchens, some of the trends happening right now,
and of course things like you know, areas like sustainability
and those type of things are part of the conversation.
I think we all want to do what's right by
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you know, by any project, and I think that there
is sometimes questions about what truly is, you know, when
it comes to when it comes to being sustainable. In others,
what's kind of the best route to go. Let's talk
about flooring and something that's interesting sometimes what's the oldest
is the bestest?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The way to go?
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I know you're a you're you're a big advocate
and a and a big fan is if if it
can be done real wood is is that's the bee's
knees the cats me out.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
The way to go with with flooring oftentimes is I.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Think all the cool people are putting in wood floors,
you know, and if you know what beesnes is that
we should talk. So yeah, basically our flooring falls into
a few categories. We got tile, which most people know
what what tile is. We talked a little bit about
the vinyl plank stuff, whether it's glue down or a
floating floor, and then and then the real woods and
(25:23):
engineered woods. So I want to hit I'll briefly go
to the other stuff and I will finish on the
on the nail down wood floors. So, uh, tile, I think, okay,
it's uh a man made product, like we grind things
up and bake it and make it into tiles.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The the advantage to tile now is, you know, if
you're talking about a sustainable product, it just really doesn't
need much maintenance. It lasts until you're going to be
sick of it. Right, it's hard to if it's installed correctly.
Right about half the time that we're installing new tile,
it's because it was originally installed wrong and it had failed.
Hows are loosening up cracking the grout will start to
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come out and fail. But the other the rest of
the time, it's just it's just dated. I think that
was somewhat of a We talked about the large square
tiles in that kitchen that we just did or just posted. Uh,
you know, that's what tyle looked like twenty years ago,
fifteen years ago. Now there's a lot more choices and
you can do more interesting things. You can do. You
(26:25):
can find things that are unique and fit your style
or fit your house's style. It's a lot easier to do.
So I'd say that still falls in a pretty sustainable category.
The vinyl plank stuff, Okay, it's a petroleum based product,
but it's a petroleum based product that lasts a long time,
like it's a it. It to me falls into the
like laminate countertop charactery. Even when you're seg about the
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stuff won't die, you can't get rid of it. I
won't won't fail on you, But I I we do
a fair amount of installing of the lvps. It's just
a nice thing if you're if you don't like tile
in a bathroom, lvp's probably the way to go. You
don't want to put wood floor down, a real wood
floor down in a bathroom. But I think within limits,
(27:09):
like it's it finds its place, like we have done
this this product, like anything, there's there's really a high
end of this product. There's really a low end of
this product. We probably have had our best luck with
the top third of of the lvps that are on
the market. When you dip below that, you kind have
(27:31):
problems with it. Unlocking it tends to expand and contract
a lot if it's in front of a window or
a patio door, a lot of sunlight shining on its.
You do have to be careful when you've got long
spans of this stuff because it can only expand it
contract so much. Right, it's going to run into something
that's not going to move, So it does have a
couple of little failings. Next thing I'll hit is the
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engineered would This is something when it first came on
the market, it's it's basically like a layers, so you've
got to almost apply with layer on the bottom. You know,
the strength of plywood is is thin layers of wood
going in different directions, so it it gains a lot
of strength that way and stability. Then you mount, basically
you adhere real wood to the top of that. And
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it can be a refinishable part of wood, you know,
it can be like a half inch of refinishable wood
that's that's lamined on top of that plywood, or can
have texture. It can be the handscrape looked and things
like that. I thought this product would take off more
than it has. It seems like with the the the
(28:38):
move back to natural products, we went from the engineered
stuff like the like the the lvps we were talking about,
and jumped over that to a real wood product, which
is you know, old school three quarters an inch of
solid wood maple or oak or hickory or whatever, and
nail that stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Down with the nail down wood floors too. They last
a long time, and boy, they can they hold up
to everything. And what's what's crazy about him is I've
seen houses you guys have remodeled that have had nail
down wood floors from one hundred years ago and refinish
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it and put it and it looks as as beautiful
and as new as the day it was it was
first laid down.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And this stuff literally just goes and goes and goes.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, And I don't know if you can, if you
can find a greener product than that, let me know,
because like you said, we've we've finished. We do that
in house, by the way, we we have the equipment
and and the reason we brought that in house, that
refinishing of that old wood would for a product is
that a lot of times we're matching finishes and maybe
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adding on or replacing parts of it, and and it's
sometimes hard to find people that will do a good
job of that. Uh, people that are in that industry
tend to want to do big opening expanses of it.
And I understand that it's how you make time, make money.
But to slow down this process and start matching finishes,
matching colors, you know, there's believe or not, there's there's
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a lot of different species of all those woods I listed,
And there's times where we go we take wood in
and they go, well, this looks like a southern Missouri
oak or something, or something out of the yeah, smoky mountains,
and it's like, well, you can buy that. You can
actually get that now, And so matching up as a
real trick. Yeah, there's We've finished floors that were well
(30:36):
over one hundred years and old and still have a
lot of life in them, and I just I can't
think of them of a greener product.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Do you do?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
You get folks that are that are saying, we don't
have nail down right now, and we really want to
go that, well, like we've you know, this house is
you know something that we're committed to making sure that
it's that it. You know, we did everything right, We
want to make sure everything fits. You get folks that say,
let's let's let's talk nail nail down real wood floor.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We do.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And as parts of remodels, we you know, there's there's
people that don't have any wood floor and they're like,
you know, this is what we want. Especially when you
you start talking through the pros and cons of all
these different flooring products. There are advantages to those those
click floorings, those snap together floors where you know, it
just it's easier, to be honest, you're going you're going
(31:25):
right over the top of stuff. There's a little more
prep with the wood floors. It's not as expensive as
you think budget wise to go to a wood floor.
Probably the kicker is it takes a two or three
more days in the schedule tad on, which doesn't sound
like much, but you know, we're always trying to keep
control of those schedules. I there's many times where a
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homeowner will have one room that it has wood floor.
You know, it might have been a formal living room,
or it might have been a family room and the
rest of it's carpet and the kitchens you know, might
be tile or something or or or click floor, and uh,
they just end up liking that one room so much
would Natural wood has a warmth to it that I
don't think you get out of out of uh the
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man made stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Just thing you say it that way because I jotted
down the feel is different because you can tell is.
And and again there's amazing alternatives out there. There's amazing
you know, they really do a good job with the
l VP and other things to the look of wood,
the texture of wood. But you can when it's real wood,
(32:30):
when it's when it's that nail to you know, right
like it feels it does. I don't know if that's
it's that warmth of what, but you do feel a
difference to the product you do.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And and I think there is some uh, you know,
homore responsibility here. You they people are tending towards the
natural products. You know, stone countertops are a huge one.
And I think it's it's it's when you're in design
and you're picking out these things, you're you're always trying
to uh we are too, our designers too. We're homeowners
(33:00):
together as a team, we're trying to figure out what
this space is gonna feel like, you know, we're designing
it on CAD. We're picking out products and putting this
all together. But it is it has gotten to be
which I think is so healthy for homes. Is it's
like responsible remieling. Okay, we're gonna we're gonna pick out
products that we really like that that give us the
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right feel, whether it's the right flooring or adding window
space in a kitchen or doing things with lighting. Like
we were talking before.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
We're gonna talk.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
You mentioned stone countertops, so we'll probably get into those
in the next segment. But real quick, one thing I
want to ask you too about we were talking earlier
about cabinets and and a little bit about doors as well.
Looking at these trends, I see Shaker is quite popular
when it comes to upgraded, upgrade cabinets. We hear shaker,
shaker style. What are we talking about there? And and
(33:53):
I've got to guess that's especially true even here in
Madison and Dane County, Isn't.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
It very much? Shaker is a is a pretty clean
looking cabinet door. It doesn't have a lot of kind
of fruit fee design on it. You know, you never
mistake it for like a Victorian style something really or
Nate's that it's that flat center panel with a variable
(34:18):
sized wood band that goes around it. I don't know
if I'm doing this right, but I can always tell
what's popular because our cabinet manufacturers now have when they
bring out new stuff, it's usually a variation of shakers.
So if you look in our shreroom now, it's going
to go, well, this is shaker with a little bit
of something on the inside, a little bit of extra
(34:41):
detail to it. And I think we have ten or
twelve different versions of the shaker now. But you can
widen out the band, you can narrow the band, you
can full overlay doors not for over the doors, and
then there's there's little additions to them that they do.
So I don't think shaker's going away because it appeals
to everybody. Like somebody that's really traditional and understands that
and loves old houses. It's going to appeal to them
(35:03):
because it fits in really well. The younger crowd, they're
looking for clean, simple lines and it and it appeals
to them too, so it's it's a smart move.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I think that the kitchen we talked about earlier, the
recent condo one, those were I if memory serving me,
I know that was that was like twenty minutes now
but memory. Seriously, I thought though those were Shaker as well.
I could be I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, Shaker. It's so this was, you know, kindos like
the builders didn't really go overbore. They put in nice cabinets,
not you know, nothing, nothing super fancy. But it's a
shaker style Cabinet's a little thinner band around the outside,
but very nice clean look. So fits the bill.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
It's a really and if you missed that earlier part
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the podcast the radio station's website also Edge Construction Company
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Speaker 2 (36:08):
Edge Mike mentioned stone countertops.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
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Speaker 2 (36:40):
Telephone number six.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
O eight six three six three three four three that
number six three six Edge talking about kitchen trends and
things that are happening right now, Mike. When you were
talking about some of the you know, kind of natural
we're talking about wood floors, kind of that natural stuff
being in you mentioned stone countertops, and I feel like
we'd be we'd be remiss if we didn't bring up
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stone countertops.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
When it comes to kitchens. What a what.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
A cool upgrade all around they are and functional, beautiful, sturdy.
I mean they kind of like whether it's whether what
we were talking earlier, the granite or or the quarts,
I mean, they just it's just amazing what what what
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they can do. And they've really become a game changer,
haven't they.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
They have and you know we're gonna talking about Courts
and we'll finish up with that, but I'll just hit
Granted for just a minute. As quarts gained in popularity,
Granted kind of lost market share to quurts. I want
to talk about grants for a minute, because there we
are now starting to get some new granite into our
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showroom that are pretty appealing. Price point is pretty good,
and it people as this view like quartz is, you know,
three times better than Granted. It's really not. It's twenty
percent better. I'll say that. I guess it really is
a better product, mainly because quartz is a is a
harder stone actually than granite. But granted is you're never
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gonna wear. There are there are granites that are that
are you know, from two thousand years ago, that are
supposedly in Europe that are still going strong. I mean,
I hope they're not eating dinner on them anymore, but
you know, the grants and marbles are still there.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Courts now takes they they take quartz stone and blend
it and make the designs. So like the advantage to
the courts is they can replicate basically an Italian granite
and and they can do it here. You know, a
bunch of our courts comes from Minnesota, and they they
can they can blend it, do a do a really
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good copy, let's say, of the design and designs have
gotten better and better and better over the years, and
and and it looks just like a natural stone. And
they've gone so far beyond that where they're making basically
new stones like we had. The white Marbley looking countertops
got popular a few years ago, and we probably have
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now thirty different versions of that to pick from. So
the gray veins going through, the black veins going through,
there's varying levels. You can get to that in a
bunch of different finishes and so quarts. They grind the
courts up, use a binder, some kind of magic that
puts it together. It's now this manufactured product, but it's
a natural stone, harder than granite, Gonna last forever. All
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the more reason, by the way, to do a good
job designing your space, because you don't want to have
to tear apart in a beautiful quartz countertop.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Talking about working with the designers at Edge Construction and
getting that right. One thing too, as we talk about
kitchen or any space in the house, maintenance. Quartz, you
talk about another big area that it checks a good box.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No maintenance on that.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
So there's really no maintenance. I think that adds to
the you know, we're talking about sustainabilit You don't have
to maintain something. That's pretty helpful. Now the grant people
will say, well, okay, no maintenance and very little maintenance. Granted,
especially the darker ones. There's not much you have to do.
You can you can buy a treatment, a little bottle
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of treatment, you spray on once or twice a year,
wipe it off. That's literally all you have to do
with the granite. So I don't want to I don't
want to talk badly about granite, but both are great products.
Both both have natural elements. Obviously the granite is just
carved out of the mountains, so pretty can't get much
more natural in that.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I feel like quartz is like that. As somebody who's
owned a Toyota, it feels like the Toyota of countering town.
Give a little attention there, just it's just going to
be perfect for you. So whether you're looking looking quartz, granite, marble,
any type of countertop flooring, looking to do that kitchen,
a model today is a great dat to start that conversation.
Learn more online Edge Construction Company dot com. That's Edgeconstruction
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Company dot com. Tell number six so eight six three
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edge And of course Edge Construction brings you the Homer
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