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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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that number six three six edge and joined in studio
this week is the owner of Edge Construction, mister Mike twoigg. Mike,
welcome to the program. Can see you like a weird
setup on my part? I apologize, like wait, what good
(00:42):
to see you. We were just talking about your You've
got some work going on, talking about pouring some concrete
and that type of thing, and uh.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Uh that's good good weather for that.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, I can't complain about.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That with with like pouring like foundations and things you
mentioned the weather and those type of things. Do we
do we see like this time of year Is this
really when folks are kind of thinking about getting that
those like the new stuff. Is this or as we
think oftentimes spring for those type of projects.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Well, are you talking from a planning perspective, Yeah, so
this is when you should be planning for a spring projects. Yeah,
I mean, because it does take quite a while to
get things into motion. And you know, it's surprising how
many people come in and or call and we go
out and look at their job and they're like, Okay,
we want to do a bigger model, but they're just
at the very beginning of the planning process. And so
(01:35):
that is an important time I think for homeowner and
you really want a remodeler to work with you that
is not rushing you through that process, like, hey, we
need to get this into action fast, because there's there's
kind of a I don't know, four or five steps
you have to go through to get to the end
of a design process for those major models, and you
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want to take your time, and I don't know, we
have we I always call it reaction time. So, uh,
if we come up with an idea, you sort of
take that home to your to wherever the couch, and uh,
you got to let it rattle around for a while,
and some people are like, you know what, bam, that
makes sense, or and we can move to the next thing,
or most people and I think, I'm like this, I like,
(02:20):
I like, uh, maybe I don't trust my first reactions.
I guess I want to think about it for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
With that you mentioned, you know, giving getting some time
to think about and kind of work through those plans.
And this week we're going to talk about, you know,
how kind of how a contractor treats your house, some
of the some of the ways to survive a major
remodeling project, talk to about the importance of things like dust.
But and that's kind of when the project's going on,
with the thinking towards spring, and you mentioned kind of
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a good time right now to start that conversation because
it gives you these you know, if you're looking for
something to do over the next few months, it's a
great it's a it's a great time to be planning
for that remodel, isn't it it is?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And and those those you know, if you want to
do a bigger project, and we don't just have to
talk about those, but maybe an addition or or something
major on a house, you know, you sort of need to.
Not everybody in town is capable and has the horse
power to do those jobs.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And so we do three.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Maybe four a year, and they tend to be spaced
out or we just can't do them. I mean, like
I don't want to overload our people. I don't want
to disappoint a homeowner. So we we will have a
March or April, right, and that means the planning for
that probably starts now, or it might already be ongoing.
And then and then they fall a line every two
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or three months.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And so.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
If a home owner really wants to, you know, get
something going or get it keep it on the rails.
You talk about surviving a project, and so much of
that that survival mode is getting in the right mindset
and knowing what you're supposed to do and it and it.
It doesn't just fall on the remodeler. There's a lot
of responsibility for homeowners and so and we, of course
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and people like us will point you in the right direction.
I mean, we're gonna we're gonna give you some jobs
to do. But that preparing and planning is really a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Let's get into that preparing and planning for the remodeling project.
I know something that's really important to you mentioned. You know,
you don't want to feel rushed, and certainly it's probably
a bad indicator if you're working with somebody that's trying
to try to push you to start and push to
get going. You really want to have a plan and
preparation in place. It's a major undertaking when it comes
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to doing a remodeling project. And let's talk a little
bit about some of that planning that goes into it. Obviously,
somebody decides they want to do a remodel, you come out,
you do a little kind of a site survey. I
guess I don't even know what the exact term is,
but actually come out and actually see what the what
the plan is firsthand.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, And so ideal situation is when we come out
for it for that first time. You don't have to
do this. By the way, I'm not expecting this out
of everybody. But when we pull in and somebody says, hey,
I've I've got a list of things that we want
to do, it's great, okay. I mean more more often
than not, we're building that list while we're there, and
we're okay with that we're going to go through that.
(05:05):
We're going to make our own list and we're gonna
we're gonna add some things, and uh, a lot of
times people with a list are going, you know, what
are the possibilities are? We know, we want to do
this stuff. We don't even know if this is possible
or if it makes sense from a construction standpoint or like, uh,
you know, you can sometimes put too much money into
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a house and then it outgrows the neighborhood. Although I
think that's a little bit outdated thinking now, if you
look at the projects that are happening around around the area,
houses have the values have come up enough to where
it's worth investing in these houses. And so we're seeing
seeing houses leap ahead in neighborhoods, and I think that's
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a healthy thing too.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
He mentioned, you know, kind of you know, the the
the here in obviously Dane County and southern Wisconsin, and
I know nationally as well, we're seeing you know, housing
use rise and really worth putting that money into when
it comes to, you know, talking about choosing somebody to
work with when it comes to remodeling in those areas.
(06:09):
I think sometimes we overlook like the importance of some
of these littler things that that we're gonna and I
know we're going to get into some of this stuff,
but like how does the contractor actually treat your house
as obviously how does the relationship between you and the
contract work? But also what are the plans for for
how this this is going to be executed? How are
you going to leave the house, How are things going
to be left each day when when you do leave,
(06:31):
what's going to happen during the project, how is how
do we decide what is completed what's not going to
know those type of things. These are important things to
have conversations to have right up front, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
They are?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And you got to picture it is like when it's
at the idea stage, things.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Are spread out right.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
It's if if the endgame of design is where we
narrow it down to one narrow spot where we have
a super accurate contract and it it u home owner
knows what they're getting in that contract. They know exactly
what it's going to cost them. The the on the
builder side, we know exactly what our job is to
do what we have to deliver.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's that's narrow.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That's that's Uh, that's a single point, right, that's that's
that's a that's our goal. The end of design is
to get there. But we're starting out at the idea
stage where these this is spread out. It's chaotic and
you need to start corraling these things in and it's
not It doesn't shart start with uh picking out tile
and cabinets and countertops, right, It starts.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
With the the.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Footprint, you know, the the top down look in in CAD,
in computer and computerated design. Because now we can we
can look at the elements that have to make it
into this model and and how we arrange them. Okay,
we're gonna start doing things and it'll move towards making sense.
It's gonna move towards this organized, structured contract at the
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end of design with this.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
With that, we think about doing a remodel and I no,
you know, certain spaces around the house can be you
know we're talking is I think of the kitchen for example,
or if you're your house with with one main bathroom
and having a remodeling project, having that conversation up from
understanding what the you know, we talk about plan and preparation.
How are you gonna eat? How are you gonna you know,
(08:19):
when it comes to you need to take that shower,
you need to access these areas. How is that gonna work?
It's an important part of that conversation as well.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
It is, and you know that that at that planning stage,
all that stuff needs to be talked about. And those
are logistics things. You know a lot of times, you know,
how we treat the house. How where am I gonna take?
I mean, Madison proper has a ton of small houses
that are were built with one bathroom.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Luckily about half of those have this random toilet in
the basement.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
If we've talked about that before.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think potty?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think that's the only good thing to come out
of Yes, you're a aware of this, right?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Oh yeah, okay, all right? Did your house? Did you
ever have a house with us?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I've been to a number. We have never had one,
annaus I lived and I was always as a kid,
I was always jealous. I always wondered about it. But yeah, yeah,
is it Pittsburgh potty or clean? What it was? And
I researched this actually, yeah, so the understanding was and
why they're always the East coast gets it is miners,
(09:24):
coal miners and other type of miners. They when they
would come home, they come in through a side door
or a cellar door. They could clean up, do their
business and then be good to go up to the family.
Because you talk about that stuff, I'm guessing a lot
of a lot of wives and children are saying, don't
come in all sooty. And then here in Wisconsin farmers
and others.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well, the white collar crowd in Madison, yeah, thinks they
are collectic and cool. They are super handy when we
are going to remole your house, especially if you have
one bathroom, because you can go to the gym and
take a shower. But yeah, you don't want to run
to an outhouse in the backyard.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, no, you don't speak of you know, kind of
some of the logistics of this, even having that kind
of we think about getting out for a site visit
and understanding what what's you know, what's the house looks
like that things Also logistics of garbage and waste that's
being going to be created. Is are you going to
use a dumpster house? A dumpster going to be handled?
(10:19):
I know, I know for you, a dumpster is a
devisive last resort.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah. I mean, that's just a personal thing for me.
If you if you see Ramala going on in your neighborhood,
chances are you're gonna see a big dumpster sit there
for three or four months or six months or whatever.
I just have always thought it's kind of tacky to leave,
you know, to leave it there, because it's it's it's
(10:46):
it's a lot of times has to be there for
the heavy lifting, right I mean, but some of these
neighborhoods there's just not room to do that. We have
many times where we have to get a street permit
and put a dumpster on the street, you know, for
a few days or a week, or maybe even a
couple of weeks. Ideally, if we can get one there
on a bigger project through mechanicals so on a real
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big project, that might be a month. But then what
we start doing is we start hauling it back. We
bring cans. We've got dumpsters at our shop. We we
just bring the trash brack our people are there almost
every day anyways, or we bring a dump trailer, and
that's that's just a fun one of those fun tools
to have. It's one of the advantage of this job.
You get to have some neat stuff that that dump
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trailer is like a dumpster on wheels, and so we
can we can pull it in there for a day
if we need it, you know, and then it's gone
and it's not taking up valuable parking, your neighbors aren't going, well,
that's really nice to look at. You know, a lot
of advantages to get in the dumpster out of.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
There, and that is and that's part of we talk
about the logistics. We talk about, you know, how how
your contractor treats your home, not just the project in
the home itself, but through the process of having a
plan in place for where are these things going to go?
Is if if we do need to bring in a dumpster,
especially during demo, where's it going to go? How long
is it going to be there? And then after that point,
(12:05):
how is the you know, any type of construction. I know,
for your guys, they're putting it in the as you mentioned,
putting it in the truck, they're bringing it back. But
that's an important thing as well as nobody likes that
ugly dumpster outside their home for any longer than they
have to.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It is a big deal because you know, I Occasionally,
because they do this show, I'll get calls from home
owners that didn't use us. Shame on you, but they
they're asking, Okay, can I just ask you? How?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
How might how should be treated?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
You know, it's just something we didn't talk about, and
you just assume as a homeowner, I would think that
the trash is the least of my worries are And
I think the average I think is a really average
time to budget for on our side, it's about fifteen
percent of the of your your labor budget is cleaning
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up and dealing with trash. There's just so much, so
much dog, so much trash, so much, so many things
to protect, and it has to be going on and
on and it has to be ongoing because you know,
our i'd love to say they did this one hundred
percent of the time, maybe it's like ninety nine. They
know they're supposed to clean up the end of the day,
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like and they know they're supposed to grab things and
bring them back human hure wiggles in there once in
a while. It's not quite as bad, but yeah, that
is the plan.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Are they doing things like running as you talk about
someone that clean up as the days going on and
then of course at the end of each day, which
is which is I think a very very considered also
very unique as well. I don't know that a lot
of lot, like a lot of folks and contracts like
I can work around it, but you think, oh goodness,
and one like as they're working running shop facts and
our things as well.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, because you're the tough part. One of the tough
parts about remodeling is you know, you're working in amongst
somebody's living space, you know, and so if you are
making a mess, if I'm tearing out drive all over
here and then walking to a different part of the house,
well a certain percentage of that drywall is going to
make its way. It's going to follow me over there,
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Best best, The best way to do it is just
clean up as you go. I think logistically, I make
this case to our people. You know, if you clean
it up as you go, you get to work in
a clean space too. You don't have to you know,
you can nail. We've had people nailed down on screws
and that ends up being a workman's comp issue.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It really hurts, and it's worse worse than that, you're
off work. Possibly that's not funny either, So a lot
of a lot of incentive to clean up.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
We're going to talk a little bit later in the
program as well about dust control. Is that it seems,
you know, very tiny particles, but it's a really important
part of the remodeling process. We'll get into in the project.
We'll get into that with Mike in just a moment.
We'll also talk about what to expect when it comes
to having folks in your home doing remodeling and what
you need to understand there. We'll talk is of course
this week it's all about surviving a major remodeling project
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or a minor one for that matter. I'm going to guess,
at the end of the day, no matter how small
it is the home, it's always a major project, and
it's for good reason. It's great that they treated it
that way. At Edge Construction, of course, you can learn
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six Edge talking this week about how to survive a
major remodeling project, and Mike, we're talking about the potty
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a little bit earlier about planning for that and possibly
we're doing exactly what.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Our favorite Yes pubjects. Actually, it is.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
A question also when it comes to when you have
the contractors in the house, is the potty going to
be used? Is it not going to be used? How
is that accessed?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's that's weird conversation, but it does need to be
talked about.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So we have.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Such nice homeowners and almost all of them will be
saying use, use, you know, if you need to use
the bathroom, and go ahead, you know, and they're very gracious.
But what our people's response is supposed to be is no,
that's okay, we're not we don't do that. I know
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that a special relationship sometimes forms between the you know,
the guys on the job and the homeowner, and they
start to feel like family a little bit. And it's fine,
it's fine, I get it. But as a rule, I
don't think people working in your house should be used
in your bathroom. They shouldn't be going into unremodeled space,
is unless they have to for some reason mechanically or whatever.
So I think it's just a good philosophy to have.
(17:09):
You know, when we have bigger jobs, we'll we'll, especially
if a home owner is not living there or or
just things aren't accessible, we'll put a we'll put a
bucky out in the yard. And I know it's no
fun to look at, but at least, uh, it's convenient
for for all the trades to use. You know, if
you're walking the dog and you really got to go,
(17:30):
you know, yeah, but yeah, it's uh that that is
my philosophy.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know, I have heard every horror story in the world.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, We've had people calls and say, well, you
know we're using x y Z company and there guys, uh,
you know, they always dry their hands on our nice
hand towels and leave, you know whatever. It's just it's
just bad form. I don't like it. I you know, wouldn't.
I would rather not see it happen.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
What about is if we talk about you know, obviously
how you plan for restrooms, those type of things. What
about planning for access is you know, when it comes
to a model job, there's going to be a number
of people doing the work. That's a very vital part
of you know, you don't want to as a homeowner
certainly don't want it to be any type of free
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for all. You want to know who's coming, who's going,
and having that conversation as well.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You do.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And so we're very scheduled driven and homeowners are not
shy about reaching out somebody coming to my house tomorrow
or today or whatever, and we try.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
To accommodate them.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
We do have scheduled changes here and there where somebody
might be showing up. You didn't know, but that kind
of stuff sort of has to happen to keep the
job moving. We got to offer some flexibility to our people.
But access it's usually either a lot of people will
just change their garage code, okay, then you can come
through there, i if or a lock box on the
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front of the house. When you come into one of
our jobs, you're going to see floor protection down. And
so if you're coming uh, you know, if you're a
plumber that's that's not a direct employee of ours, and
you're coming in and you see there's no floor protection,
you went in the wrong door.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You got to go in the door where the floor
protection is.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So we we are we're pretty conscious that we talked
about it that contract with homeowners. We try and you know,
work through this so they know kind of what's going on.
And a lot of times that floor protection is the
it's the demarcation zone, right, you know, as you're if
you're if you want to go over there and there's
no floor protection, you better call and ask somebody because
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that doesn't that that's that it's kind of not there.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
We do other things.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
We put up temporary walls, you know, like plastic walls
or zip walls there called.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's just like a fabric.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You can open up a zipper and get through. It
depends kind of on what stages were modeled into. If
it's at that.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
First part, first third, where there's.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
A lot of hot and heavy stuff going on and
some dust being made and and uh, then we'll have
up a bunch of protection. But if it's if it's
down to the finished end where there's really not much dust,
we're probably cutting outside at that point, you know, then
it's much more convenient for homemorse to not have the
zip balls up and the plastic walls up, but you.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Still have the floor protection.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
What is that? But I'm going to ask you to
about control.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So Madison, if you want to say, Madsen, okay, you're
you can only go in this house, I'll give you
a roll?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Is that? Is that? Is that? So? I was going
to ask you about is it like a roll? Is that?
Am I saying this right? Like you roll it out
like a red carpet thing?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It is? It is?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
It is great stuff. I'm not saying you can put
it over your wood floor and drop a drop a
truck on it. But because it will telegraph through. But
it's it. It saves the minor accidents a lot, and
it's just it has a few jobs. One of those
is is showing where the construction area is. A lot
of it is it's easier to clean up than you know.
(20:52):
We don't want sawdust going into your carpet, right, We
want to cover that up with something and uh we
so if if if a new wood floor goes in,
we will cover it with the stuff. It's kind of
like a fibrous I don't know. It breathes too, so
that if you put something over a wood floor that
like is a sheet of plastics and that permeible at all,
(21:14):
you can damage the wood floor. It traps moisture. This
stuff doesn't do that, so it protects in it and
it's permebowl and.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Has a lot of positives. I roll this down. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's like when you mentioned I thought, I never thought
much about it, and I have a feeling Mike's not
just throwing down sheets.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
These do.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It's very especially so it's also, uh, it's pretty tough stuff.
So like when we put down a new floor in
your house, we're probably putting a bunch of this stuff
down to protect it till the end of the job.
When we roll that back up, we literally will. Then
it'll transition to the demo side, so that we're putting
this down during demo and it protects again.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
So we're going to at least two uses out of it.
So that's really nice.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's really really cool to hear talking this morning with
Mike two Egg of edge Construction an online Edgeconstruction Company
dot com. That's Edgeconstruction Company dot com. You heard the
dust word come up a couple of times. We're going
to talk about the importance of dust control, how that's
handled with edge construction, why it's such an important part
of planning, and of course why it's such an important
part of a successful remodeling project. We're gonna get the
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details from Mic on that next as the Homer Modeling
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Com tell number six so eight six three six three
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three four three that number six three six edge talking
about how to survive a major remodeling project, the importance
of planning and preparing and understanding what goes into a
remodeling project. Again, it's an important conversation to have early
and often with your remodel or just kind of understand
where things are going, how things are working. And I
(23:00):
probably heard us mention the word dust a couple of
times during the program, and it's just something that sure
we all all say. Dust is, you know, like things
getting all dusty. When you're doing a remodeling project, a
lot of dust is created and it's important.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
To I have the miracle cure for dust.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
What's that? No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I was gonna say, you do you know something I
don't know. I know that you have a lot of
equipment and a lot of a lot of systems in
place to mitigate dust. Dust control is huge with any remodel,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
It is so we will never say we can control
it all though you I mean, yeah, there's like this
level of just minute dust that seems to make it everywhere.
And uh, I for the most part, we've had home
owners that I have just been very thankful for the
level we go to trying to trying to control it.
I know when I checked jobs and talk to homeowners,
(23:59):
the thing that's surprise them the most, I think is
just how much our guys clean up and how much
uh you know, you know, they're trying to have it,
have it be a less of an impact on your
daily life, you know, as possible as reasonable. And I
think that's always a surprise because you're you're expecting total chaos,
and when it's it's kind of organized chaos. So how
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do we how do we control this are how do
we how do we treat this space, how do we
what changes right in that construction area?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
We got to change things.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So if we're making dust that's going all throughout your house,
you're going to be pretty annoyed, and especially if it's
if it's big stuff all the time, like you clean
up one day and the next day it's back in
the non construction areas. But that also means something else.
Our our people are some of them are younger, some
of them are not so young. We don't want them
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taking this home to their families. We don't want them
breathing it while they're on the job. Some of it
is expect but we can really do a lot to
kind of enhance the experience for everybody working there and
for the homeowners. The side benefit is really hopefully we
don't send that mess to the rest of your house,
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at least not all of it. So we we have
what they're called air scrubbers, and most of the time
you're going to see when when something is happening on
your job, when when there's a mess being created, you're
you're gonna hopefully see one of these running. It's an
air scrubber. It looks like a little red box, like
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maybe a foot and a half by foot and half
by foot half. It's got two stage filter in it,
so it's got a like a furnace filter on the
outside that's kind of a pre filter. Then it's got
a a HEPA filter that's it's several hundred dollars so
they don't have to be replaced often surprisingly not, they
work really well. The air coming out of that air
(25:57):
scrubber is probably going to be cleaner than your normal
side air. It's like actually clean's ear uh, it's a
it goes down to I think I don't know, five
microns or something. It's it's some tiny amount about cigarette
smoke level, which probably isn't a good reference anymore, I guess,
but nobody knows what that is.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But anyways, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
That's our that's our plan when we're when we're doing
it doesn't logistically always work because every house is different.
But if we were working in this room where in
now we would have an air scrubber, we'd be piping
that thing out if we're doing heavy demo, and we're
gonna basically try to create negative pressure in this room.
So it's like taking a fan and blowing it out
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the door, ceiling it and blowing it out through a
hole in the door. And what that does, in theory
is keep the dust from going as you know, a
long ways away from that room. Right, We're gonna try
and keep it here if nothing else. Dust travels quite
a bit versus very naughty.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, here's stories of volcanos exploding on other continent, incident
coming down. I mean, it's it'll make its way around.
And are there different like areas or points of collection
I think of, you know, some of the tools I've
had over the air saws and things with you know,
a little sacks on them the bag. Yeah, I mean,
is that is that something as well? I'm gonna guess
(27:15):
that that's out there and uh, not only helps with
keeping dust down, but I'll probably helps the clean up.
But are there like different areas of dust collection or different.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
There are so a lot of our a lot of
our inside work workers, our trim carpenters will have a
vacuum set up. You can get these now that so
it's a hose to the back of your saw and
when you when you pull a button on that saw
and the saw starts up, the vacuum starts up. I've
got one of these in my home shop. I've got
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one in our in our in our shop, at at work,
at our at our showroom. It's really great because, like
I said, okay, we control the dust. But you know,
homeowners not the only ones that get annoyed by this.
So you have pets, right, you have kids. There's a
lot of things you don't want to breathe. You know,
we talked about some of the big things sometimes asbestos
(28:05):
or lad but you know, there's there's there's really nothing
but clean air should be coming into your into your body.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So the air scrubbers can really help.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Pretty amazing stuff too. As we kind of work through
some of the different things I see online sometimes design
plans for I don't have a I don't have a
wood shop or anything like that at home, but I'm
always jealous of these like systems. So they've got like
the design all your tools each time in the dust clash,
and it got the cortext thing in the middle. I'm like,
man that. And along the lines too, of of of
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dust control and particle control. Obviously we always think of
like the big you know, we always obviously asbestos and
letting those types of things all things you want to
you want to restrict, but those type of things also
there's there's a lot more too. I think a lot
of people don't don't fully appreciate or understand that those
are very specialized and very i say regulated as far
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as how they're how they are.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's kind of the rules aren't loose, but it's kind
of loosely regulated. We have found our best path is
to when we run into something like that or or
anything else nasty, there's companies that are just geared to
do that. They can come in and demo that very quickly.
You know, it used to be such a scary thing
(29:25):
for a homeowner if you found out you had asbestos
in your house.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh you're you're thinking it's.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Going to be twenty dollars, ten thousand dollars to get
rid of this as best as floor and and they
come in at a much lower price now and you know,
it's a one day operation most of the time, so
it's not really invasive, and it's not as expensive as
you think. I mean, it's it's it's price to where
homeowners go, you know what, I want that stuff out
of here, and that seems like on what it should
(29:49):
cost to get rid of it. So and Madison's got
a full complement of companies that do that stuff and
we worked.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
With several is there and I just something kind of
popped into my head. Do homeowners that ask about like
what happens to this stuff after it's been collected? I mean,
is that is that? I know? I know, we think
a big stuff like if you're having cupboards and those
that are still usable, can they be can they be
recycled or reuse? But what about some of the small stuff.
Do people do people ask about like where that's going
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or how does that get treated?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
They do most most people want to know what's going
to happen with the things that are coming out of
the house. So, uh, you know, there's a lot of
stuff that we can take to habitat or occasionally we
have people that are in need where that we'll say, hey,
if you come into a kitchen that's still got some
life left and you think it might work for us,
please let us know. We we love to divert those
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things that can be reused again. You know, there's a
lot of things that can't be reused again, and you know,
unfortunately there's you know, Dane County does recycle construction materials.
A lot of people don't know this when we go
and dump there. When we when we take our trailer
and dump there, it gets put into a separate area
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that doesn't get buried and so it runs through this
massive chopping machine.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm just gonna make up stuff now, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
It does it like grinds everything up and uh, there's
there's magnets that pull the metal out and that gets
recycled and then the wood goes somewhere else. I think
it gets actually blowing off the conveyor. Believe it or not,
and uh, drawAll gets you know, there's the these things
cement all that stuff gets pulled off and recycled and
(31:25):
so you know there's that side of it. But if
it does still have some use in it, we definitely
don't want to throw it away.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Let's talk too about repurposing things for people that are
you know, you think about kitchen remodels, and I know
this isn't getting a little bit out there and they're
talking about surviving, but you talk about a nice little
reward is for homeowners when we have that conversation of
saying we're gonna do maybe a kitchen ro model, we
still like these cabinets, Could these be repurposed for a
laundry room or garage those type of things. That's also
(31:51):
a nice, a nice way to handle some of that stuff,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
It is?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And and there's there's so many people that do that
and it is a really really you know, if there's
life left in stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I mean there there's a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
We pull things apart and people are going, it's all,
We've used every last inch of it, and it's and
it's got to go. But yeah, generally there's things that
people don't want to get rid of and want to
keep or or neighbors friends. I would say about half
the appliances that we where we pull apart kitchens, they
may not be staying at that house, but they probably
know somebody that wants the fridge for the basement, or
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or their dishwasher went down or whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
What about with and just kind of bringing you back
to dust and that type of thing. Obviously, there's there's
going to we talk about being created throughout the process.
There's different stages as far as what's you know, you
talked about the air scrubbers and other things different times
in the project. They're going to have different levels of
air scrubbing, am I right?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
The the most risk and the and the the most
problems with that are up front by the time we
by the time we get to the finished end of it,
like we get past drywall, even our sander. By the way,
we have a drywall sander that we use and look,
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this thing works so great. It's just on a pole,
it's powered soaked up to a vacuum. And that that
used to be such a nasty, dusty job sanding drywall.
I had never looked forward to that job. And but
this this machine is actually I wouldn't say I don't
not going to go as far as I say. It's
fun to run, but you're standing and you're just getting
(33:35):
no drywall dust coming down on your head, dirting up
the floor, and that stuff just seems to go everywhere.
So yeah, different stages do different things. By the time
we get to that part, that little red box, that
little red air scrubber that's there is probably not gonna
be turned on quite as much. It's still there in
case we do have to do something. You know, who
knows what comes up on that job. But oh, by
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the way, I talk about that little red box, I
don't discount this thing. It moves something like nine hundred
cubic feet per minute or hour or something. It's just
an amazing amount of It is a very strong fan.
It's tiny but mighty, and it has really been a game.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Changer for us.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I gotta ask about noise mitigation is and obviously there's
construction equipment makes makes noises. I've got to guess that
that's an important conversation we having it. Also, coordinations got
to be I think one of the best ways to
avoid noise is to avoid noise.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I want to wake up at six.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, it's not being but is that part of the discussion.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It is? It is, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So there's there's times where we can really control it
and then there's times you just got a grin and bitter. Ye.
So we had one of the bigger jobs we did
last year this year, I think it finished this year,
was we tried the roof off a house and went
up and we actually went up and out. So with
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an addition, and we talked to the neighbor hard because
we say, listen, you know, our outside crews are framing crews.
They start seven, they are gonna work extremely hard for
the first you know, they're gonna be here for a
week or two. Uh, it's not gonna be fun. You're
gonna you're gonna be getting up with them because you
just don't have a choice. It's gonna be loud. But
(35:17):
then we're gonna get out of here. So it's we're
gonna try and shorten up. We've had people that were
pretty nervous about that up front. By the time they
saw the guys and saw how it was working, it
was okay.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
We got through it. But I think it's good to
have that discussion with your neighbors.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, as we're model, it's a nice thing to do
to talk to the neighbors too.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Not only surviving your own but also your neighbors survive.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well they might you know, they might be next. So yeah,
it'll be too tough.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
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And we talked. I think the terms plan and prepare
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have come up many times, which is which I know
from working with you over the years, Mike, and that
that's a really important thing. Is having a good solid
plan in place really really makes the project enjoyable, really
helps everybody along as far as a good guide and
good preparation for a project overall. Change orders. Let's talk
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about change orders.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I know what, Okay, what's your view of a change order? Like,
if you're a homeowner, when you hear that term, does
that make you nervous a little bit?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I And I think also, by the way, I've probably
been very since I do the show with you, the
Insight Info. Yeah, I understand. So, but let's let's talk
about one what they are and and how things like
that can be can be mitigated. I guess best.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
A change order is a tricky thing from my perspective.
You know, you started off talking about planning and preparation,
and I was thinking, okay, if yours, well, okay, if
if if this job takes too long, it goes back
to planning a prep. If you go, if didn't turn
out the way you wanted or you thought you were
getting something different, kind of goes back to planning a prep.
Maybe you didn't have an accurate contract, blah blah blah.
(37:40):
Just you know, trust but verify, right, that's the whole thing.
And shared orders are are kind of that thing too.
I think a great question for a modeler is, okay,
how do you do change orders?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
How many do you? What do you how many do
you have.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
On average on a on a you know, if I'm
doing a kitchen model, how many change orders are you
used to writing? There are modelers that love change orders.
They are because it's a chance to you know, it's
it's it's an addition to the contract. It's a way
to add dollars to the contract. So and it generally
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comes at a premium. So if you're going to do
this one hundred dollars job during the contract, you get it.
You get it for a hundred bucks if it's if
it happens in process later requires a change order. It's
usually a multiplier, like something normal is thirty forty fifty percent,
so I think ours is twenty five percent. Change orders
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on my side are not a good deal. It means
we didn't do our job up front. Probably in some cases,
maybe some things want a bigger job. There are things
that slip through the crack, so I don't want to
make it sound like it's just an evil thing. We
are not a company that wants to write ten or
fifteen change orders on a contract. If we have a
(39:02):
big job, there might a normal number for us as
two or three or four. And generally there are things
that got option before but at the time Homer just
wasn't comfortable doing it. But then maybe something changed in
their life, maybe something changed in their financial life, and
so they were able to do it and it gets added.
So however they happen there, they shouldn't. They shouldn't really
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be major things necessarily, right. I'm trying to think of
what would be. You know, it's like the TV thing,
you know, where you find something during in the wall.
A lot of builders will find something in the wall
that magically always costs ten thousand or twenty thousand if
you're watching TV. I think that's unethical. I think it's
kind of kind of foolish. It's pretty hard for homewers
(39:52):
to plan for, by the way, and so I think you're,
like I said, you need to find out your model
is your remodelers philosophy beyond change order?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Have you seen the movie Bevera The Hills cop too
when when he rolls up to that mansion. Axel Folly
rolls up to the mansion that they're working on and
he says, these the blueprints are all wrong and they
want to this, this and this is like they want
to live in a donut. He's like, yeah, they want
to live in a doughnut. It's very very funny. But
every time you bring up change orders, that's all I'm
thinking of is people suddenly they got a change, completely change,
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and that's you know, we talk about the importance of
you know, working with a contract, having that great relationship,
having a good contract from your contractor with your contractor
to really make this stuff move smoothly. It's a it's
a really important part as we talk about surviving a
major remodel or even a minor remodel. And I think
I'd commented earlier that even if it's a small remodel,
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if you're the homeowner, it feels like it's a it's
a big deal. Is you really want to make sure
that all of this stuff is is worked out beforehand,
And that's one of the great things working with Edge Construction,
working through that process, getting all of this stuff taken
care of, so when it comes time to get your
project underway, everybody knows what they're doing and everybody gets
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that number six three six edge and joined in studio
this week is the owner of Edge Construction, mister Mike twoigg. Mike,
welcome to the program. Can see you like a weird
setup on my part? I apologize, like wait, what good
(00:42):
to see you. We were just talking about your You've
got some work going on, talking about pouring some concrete
and that type of thing, and uh.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Uh that's good good weather for that.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, I can't complain about.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That with with like pouring like foundations and things you
mentioned the weather and those type of things. Do we
do we see like this time of year Is this
really when folks are kind of thinking about getting that
those like the new stuff. Is this or as we
think oftentimes spring for those type of projects.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Well, are you talking from a planning perspective, Yeah, so
this is when you should be planning for a spring projects. Yeah,
I mean, because it does take quite a while to
get things into motion. And you know, it's surprising how
many people come in and or call and we go
out and look at their job and they're like, Okay,
we want to do a bigger model, but they're just
at the very beginning of the planning process. And so
(01:35):
that is an important time I think for homeowner and
you really want a remodeler to work with you that
is not rushing you through that process, like, hey, we
need to get this into action fast, because there's there's
kind of a I don't know, four or five steps
you have to go through to get to the end
of a design process for those major models, and you
(01:56):
want to take your time, and I don't know, we
have we I always call it reaction time. So, uh,
if we come up with an idea, you sort of
take that home to your to wherever the couch, and uh,
you got to let it rattle around for a while,
and some people are like, you know what, bam, that
makes sense, or and we can move to the next thing,
or most people and I think, I'm like this, I like,
(02:20):
I like, uh, maybe I don't trust my first reactions.
I guess I want to think about it for a while.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
With that you mentioned, you know, giving getting some time
to think about and kind of work through those plans.
And this week we're going to talk about, you know,
how kind of how a contractor treats your house, some
of the some of the ways to survive a major
remodeling project, talk to about the importance of things like dust.
But and that's kind of when the project's going on,
with the thinking towards spring, and you mentioned kind of
(02:44):
a good time right now to start that conversation because
it gives you these you know, if you're looking for
something to do over the next few months, it's a
great it's a it's a great time to be planning
for that remodel, isn't it it is?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And and those those you know, if you want to
do a bigger project, and we don't just have to
talk about those, but maybe an addition or or something
major on a house, you know, you sort of need to.
Not everybody in town is capable and has the horse
power to do those jobs.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And so we do three.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Maybe four a year, and they tend to be spaced
out or we just can't do them. I mean, like
I don't want to overload our people. I don't want
to disappoint a homeowner. So we we will have a
March or April, right, and that means the planning for
that probably starts now, or it might already be ongoing.
And then and then they fall a line every two
(03:34):
or three months.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And so.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
If a home owner really wants to, you know, get
something going or get it keep it on the rails.
You talk about surviving a project, and so much of
that that survival mode is getting in the right mindset
and knowing what you're supposed to do and it and it.
It doesn't just fall on the remodeler. There's a lot
of responsibility for homeowners and so and we, of course
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and people like us will point you in the right direction.
I mean, we're gonna we're gonna give you some jobs
to do. But that preparing and planning is really a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Let's get into that preparing and planning for the remodeling project.
I know something that's really important to you mentioned. You know,
you don't want to feel rushed, and certainly it's probably
a bad indicator if you're working with somebody that's trying
to try to push you to start and push to
get going. You really want to have a plan and
preparation in place. It's a major undertaking when it comes
(04:28):
to doing a remodeling project. And let's talk a little
bit about some of that planning that goes into it. Obviously,
somebody decides they want to do a remodel, you come out,
you do a little kind of a site survey. I
guess I don't even know what the exact term is,
but actually come out and actually see what the what
the plan is firsthand.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, And so ideal situation is when we come out
for it for that first time. You don't have to
do this. By the way, I'm not expecting this out
of everybody. But when we pull in and somebody says, hey,
I've I've got a list of things that we want
to do, it's great, okay. I mean more more often
than not, we're building that list while we're there, and
we're okay with that we're going to go through that.
(05:05):
We're going to make our own list and we're gonna
we're gonna add some things, and uh, a lot of
times people with a list are going, you know, what
are the possibilities are? We know, we want to do
this stuff. We don't even know if this is possible
or if it makes sense from a construction standpoint or like, uh,
you know, you can sometimes put too much money into
(05:25):
a house and then it outgrows the neighborhood. Although I
think that's a little bit outdated thinking now, if you
look at the projects that are happening around around the area,
houses have the values have come up enough to where
it's worth investing in these houses. And so we're seeing
seeing houses leap ahead in neighborhoods, and I think that's
(05:48):
a healthy thing too.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
He mentioned, you know, kind of you know, the the
the here in obviously Dane County and southern Wisconsin, and
I know nationally as well, we're seeing you know, housing
use rise and really worth putting that money into when
it comes to, you know, talking about choosing somebody to
work with when it comes to remodeling in those areas.
(06:09):
I think sometimes we overlook like the importance of some
of these littler things that that we're gonna and I
know we're going to get into some of this stuff,
but like how does the contractor actually treat your house
as obviously how does the relationship between you and the
contract work? But also what are the plans for for
how this this is going to be executed? How are
you going to leave the house, How are things going
to be left each day when when you do leave,
(06:31):
what's going to happen during the project, how is how
do we decide what is completed what's not going to
know those type of things. These are important things to
have conversations to have right up front, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
They are?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And you got to picture it is like when it's
at the idea stage, things.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Are spread out right.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
It's if if the endgame of design is where we
narrow it down to one narrow spot where we have
a super accurate contract and it it u home owner
knows what they're getting in that contract. They know exactly
what it's going to cost them. The the on the
builder side, we know exactly what our job is to
do what we have to deliver.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
That's that's narrow.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
That's that's Uh, that's a single point, right, that's that's
that's a that's our goal. The end of design is
to get there. But we're starting out at the idea
stage where these this is spread out. It's chaotic and
you need to start corraling these things in and it's
not It doesn't shart start with uh picking out tile
and cabinets and countertops, right, It starts.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
With the the.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Footprint, you know, the the top down look in in CAD,
in computer and computerated design. Because now we can we
can look at the elements that have to make it
into this model and and how we arrange them. Okay,
we're gonna start doing things and it'll move towards making sense.
It's gonna move towards this organized, structured contract at the
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end of design with this.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
With that, we think about doing a remodel and I no,
you know, certain spaces around the house can be you
know we're talking is I think of the kitchen for example,
or if you're your house with with one main bathroom
and having a remodeling project, having that conversation up from
understanding what the you know, we talk about plan and preparation.
How are you gonna eat? How are you gonna you know,
(08:19):
when it comes to you need to take that shower,
you need to access these areas. How is that gonna work?
It's an important part of that conversation as well.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
It is, and you know that that at that planning stage,
all that stuff needs to be talked about. And those
are logistics things. You know a lot of times, you know,
how we treat the house. How where am I gonna take?
I mean, Madison proper has a ton of small houses
that are were built with one bathroom.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Luckily about half of those have this random toilet in
the basement.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
If we've talked about that before.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I think potty?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think that's the only good thing to come out
of Yes, you're a aware of this, right?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Oh yeah, okay, all right? Did your house? Did you
ever have a house with us?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I've been to a number. We have never had one,
annaus I lived and I was always as a kid,
I was always jealous. I always wondered about it. But yeah, yeah,
is it Pittsburgh potty or clean? What it was? And
I researched this actually, yeah, so the understanding was and
why they're always the East coast gets it is miners,
(09:24):
coal miners and other type of miners. They when they
would come home, they come in through a side door
or a cellar door. They could clean up, do their
business and then be good to go up to the family.
Because you talk about that stuff, I'm guessing a lot
of a lot of wives and children are saying, don't
come in all sooty. And then here in Wisconsin farmers
and others.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Well, the white collar crowd in Madison, yeah, thinks they
are collectic and cool. They are super handy when we
are going to remole your house, especially if you have
one bathroom, because you can go to the gym and
take a shower. But yeah, you don't want to run
to an outhouse in the backyard.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, no, you don't speak of you know, kind of
some of the logistics of this, even having that kind
of we think about getting out for a site visit
and understanding what what's you know, what's the house looks
like that things Also logistics of garbage and waste that's
being going to be created. Is are you going to
use a dumpster house? A dumpster going to be handled?
(10:19):
I know, I know for you, a dumpster is a
devisive last resort.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah. I mean, that's just a personal thing for me.
If you if you see Ramala going on in your neighborhood,
chances are you're gonna see a big dumpster sit there
for three or four months or six months or whatever.
I just have always thought it's kind of tacky to leave,
you know, to leave it there, because it's it's it's
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it's a lot of times has to be there for
the heavy lifting, right I mean, but some of these
neighborhoods there's just not room to do that. We have
many times where we have to get a street permit
and put a dumpster on the street, you know, for
a few days or a week, or maybe even a
couple of weeks. Ideally, if we can get one there
on a bigger project through mechanicals so on a real
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big project, that might be a month. But then what
we start doing is we start hauling it back. We
bring cans. We've got dumpsters at our shop. We we
just bring the trash brack our people are there almost
every day anyways, or we bring a dump trailer, and
that's that's just a fun one of those fun tools
to have. It's one of the advantage of this job.
You get to have some neat stuff that that dump
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trailer is like a dumpster on wheels, and so we
can we can pull it in there for a day
if we need it, you know, and then it's gone
and it's not taking up valuable parking, your neighbors aren't going, well,
that's really nice to look at. You know, a lot
of advantages to get in the dumpster out of.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
There, and that is and that's part of we talk
about the logistics. We talk about, you know, how how
your contractor treats your home, not just the project in
the home itself, but through the process of having a
plan in place for where are these things going to go?
Is if if we do need to bring in a dumpster,
especially during demo, where's it going to go? How long
is it going to be there? And then after that point,
(12:05):
how is the you know, any type of construction. I know,
for your guys, they're putting it in the as you mentioned,
putting it in the truck, they're bringing it back. But
that's an important thing as well as nobody likes that
ugly dumpster outside their home for any longer than they
have to.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
It is a big deal because you know, I Occasionally,
because they do this show, I'll get calls from home
owners that didn't use us. Shame on you, but they
they're asking, Okay, can I just ask you? How?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
How might how should be treated?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
You know, it's just something we didn't talk about, and
you just assume as a homeowner, I would think that
the trash is the least of my worries are And
I think the average I think is a really average
time to budget for on our side, it's about fifteen
percent of the of your your labor budget is cleaning
(12:55):
up and dealing with trash. There's just so much, so
much dog, so much trash, so much, so many things
to protect, and it has to be going on and
on and it has to be ongoing because you know,
our i'd love to say they did this one hundred
percent of the time, maybe it's like ninety nine. They
know they're supposed to clean up the end of the day,
(13:15):
like and they know they're supposed to grab things and
bring them back human hure wiggles in there once in
a while. It's not quite as bad, but yeah, that
is the plan.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Are they doing things like running as you talk about
someone that clean up as the days going on and
then of course at the end of each day, which
is which is I think a very very considered also
very unique as well. I don't know that a lot
of lot, like a lot of folks and contracts like
I can work around it, but you think, oh goodness,
and one like as they're working running shop facts and
our things as well.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, because you're the tough part. One of the tough
parts about remodeling is you know, you're working in amongst
somebody's living space, you know, and so if you are
making a mess, if I'm tearing out drive all over
here and then walking to a different part of the house,
well a certain percentage of that drywall is going to
make its way. It's going to follow me over there,
you know.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
So yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Best best, The best way to do it is just
clean up as you go. I think logistically, I make
this case to our people. You know, if you clean
it up as you go, you get to work in
a clean space too. You don't have to you know,
you can nail. We've had people nailed down on screws
and that ends up being a workman's comp issue.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It really hurts, and it's worse worse than that, you're
off work. Possibly that's not funny either, So a lot
of a lot of incentive to clean up.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
We're going to talk a little bit later in the
program as well about dust control. Is that it seems,
you know, very tiny particles, but it's a really important
part of the remodeling process. We'll get into in the project.
We'll get into that with Mike in just a moment.
We'll also talk about what to expect when it comes
to having folks in your home doing remodeling and what
you need to understand there. We'll talk is of course
this week it's all about surviving a major remodeling project
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or a minor one for that matter. I'm going to guess,
at the end of the day, no matter how small
it is the home, it's always a major project, and
it's for good reason. It's great that they treated it
that way. At Edge Construction, of course, you can learn
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six Edge talking this week about how to survive a
major remodeling project, and Mike, we're talking about the potty
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a little bit earlier about planning for that and possibly
we're doing exactly what.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Our favorite Yes pubjects. Actually, it is.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
A question also when it comes to when you have
the contractors in the house, is the potty going to
be used? Is it not going to be used? How
is that accessed?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
That's that's weird conversation, but it does need to be
talked about.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
So we have.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Such nice homeowners and almost all of them will be
saying use, use, you know, if you need to use
the bathroom, and go ahead, you know, and they're very gracious.
But what our people's response is supposed to be is no,
that's okay, we're not we don't do that. I know
(16:45):
that a special relationship sometimes forms between the you know,
the guys on the job and the homeowner, and they
start to feel like family a little bit. And it's fine,
it's fine, I get it. But as a rule, I
don't think people working in your house should be used
in your bathroom. They shouldn't be going into unremodeled space,
is unless they have to for some reason mechanically or whatever.
So I think it's just a good philosophy to have.
(17:09):
You know, when we have bigger jobs, we'll we'll, especially
if a home owner is not living there or or
just things aren't accessible, we'll put a we'll put a
bucky out in the yard. And I know it's no
fun to look at, but at least, uh, it's convenient
for for all the trades to use. You know, if
you're walking the dog and you really got to go,
(17:30):
you know, yeah, but yeah, it's uh that that is
my philosophy.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know, I have heard every horror story in the world.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, We've had people calls and say, well, you
know we're using x y Z company and there guys, uh,
you know, they always dry their hands on our nice
hand towels and leave, you know whatever. It's just it's
just bad form. I don't like it. I you know, wouldn't.
I would rather not see it happen.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
What about is if we talk about you know, obviously
how you plan for restrooms, those type of things. What
about planning for access is you know, when it comes
to a model job, there's going to be a number
of people doing the work. That's a very vital part
of you know, you don't want to as a homeowner
certainly don't want it to be any type of free
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for all. You want to know who's coming, who's going,
and having that conversation as well.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
You do.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And so we're very scheduled driven and homeowners are not
shy about reaching out somebody coming to my house tomorrow
or today or whatever, and we try.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
To accommodate them.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
We do have scheduled changes here and there where somebody
might be showing up. You didn't know, but that kind
of stuff sort of has to happen to keep the
job moving. We got to offer some flexibility to our people.
But access it's usually either a lot of people will
just change their garage code, okay, then you can come
through there, i if or a lock box on the
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front of the house. When you come into one of
our jobs, you're going to see floor protection down. And
so if you're coming uh, you know, if you're a
plumber that's that's not a direct employee of ours, and
you're coming in and you see there's no floor protection,
you went in the wrong door.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You got to go in the door where the floor
protection is.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
So we we are we're pretty conscious that we talked
about it that contract with homeowners. We try and you know,
work through this so they know kind of what's going on.
And a lot of times that floor protection is the
it's the demarcation zone, right, you know, as you're if
you're if you want to go over there and there's
no floor protection, you better call and ask somebody because
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that doesn't that that's that it's kind of not there.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
We do other things.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
We put up temporary walls, you know, like plastic walls
or zip walls there called.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's just like a fabric.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You can open up a zipper and get through. It
depends kind of on what stages were modeled into. If
it's at that.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
First part, first third, where there's.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
A lot of hot and heavy stuff going on and
some dust being made and and uh, then we'll have
up a bunch of protection. But if it's if it's
down to the finished end where there's really not much dust,
we're probably cutting outside at that point, you know, then
it's much more convenient for homemorse to not have the
zip balls up and the plastic walls up, but you.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Still have the floor protection.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
What is that? But I'm going to ask you to
about control.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So Madison, if you want to say, Madsen, okay, you're
you can only go in this house, I'll give you
a roll?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Is that? Is that? Is that? So? I was going
to ask you about is it like a roll? Is that?
Am I saying this right? Like you roll it out
like a red carpet thing?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It is? It is?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
It is great stuff. I'm not saying you can put
it over your wood floor and drop a drop a
truck on it. But because it will telegraph through. But
it's it. It saves the minor accidents a lot, and
it's just it has a few jobs. One of those
is is showing where the construction area is. A lot
of it is it's easier to clean up than you know.
(20:52):
We don't want sawdust going into your carpet, right, We
want to cover that up with something and uh we
so if if if a new wood floor goes in,
we will cover it with the stuff. It's kind of
like a fibrous I don't know. It breathes too, so
that if you put something over a wood floor that
like is a sheet of plastics and that permeible at all,
(21:14):
you can damage the wood floor. It traps moisture. This
stuff doesn't do that, so it protects in it and
it's permebowl and.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Has a lot of positives. I roll this down. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It's like when you mentioned I thought, I never thought
much about it, and I have a feeling Mike's not
just throwing down sheets.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
These do.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
It's very especially so it's also, uh, it's pretty tough stuff.
So like when we put down a new floor in
your house, we're probably putting a bunch of this stuff
down to protect it till the end of the job.
When we roll that back up, we literally will. Then
it'll transition to the demo side, so that we're putting
this down during demo and it protects again.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
So we're going to at least two uses out of it.
So that's really nice.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's really really cool to hear talking this morning with
Mike two Egg of edge Construction an online Edgeconstruction Company
dot com. That's Edgeconstruction Company dot com. You heard the
dust word come up a couple of times. We're going
to talk about the importance of dust control, how that's
handled with edge construction, why it's such an important part
of planning, and of course why it's such an important
part of a successful remodeling project. We're gonna get the
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Com tell number six so eight six three six three
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three four three that number six three six edge talking
about how to survive a major remodeling project, the importance
of planning and preparing and understanding what goes into a
remodeling project. Again, it's an important conversation to have early
and often with your remodel or just kind of understand
where things are going, how things are working. And I
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probably heard us mention the word dust a couple of
times during the program, and it's just something that sure
we all all say. Dust is, you know, like things
getting all dusty. When you're doing a remodeling project, a
lot of dust is created and it's important.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
To I have the miracle cure for dust.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
What's that? No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I was gonna say, you do you know something I
don't know. I know that you have a lot of
equipment and a lot of a lot of systems in
place to mitigate dust. Dust control is huge with any remodel,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
It is so we will never say we can control
it all though you I mean, yeah, there's like this
level of just minute dust that seems to make it everywhere.
And uh, I for the most part, we've had home
owners that I have just been very thankful for the
level we go to trying to trying to control it.
I know when I checked jobs and talk to homeowners,
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the thing that's surprise them the most, I think is
just how much our guys clean up and how much
uh you know, you know, they're trying to have it,
have it be a less of an impact on your
daily life, you know, as possible as reasonable. And I
think that's always a surprise because you're you're expecting total chaos,
and when it's it's kind of organized chaos. So how
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do we how do we control this are how do
we how do we treat this space, how do we
what changes right in that construction area?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
We got to change things.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So if we're making dust that's going all throughout your house,
you're going to be pretty annoyed, and especially if it's
if it's big stuff all the time, like you clean
up one day and the next day it's back in
the non construction areas. But that also means something else.
Our our people are some of them are younger, some
of them are not so young. We don't want them
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taking this home to their families. We don't want them
breathing it while they're on the job. Some of it
is expect but we can really do a lot to
kind of enhance the experience for everybody working there and
for the homeowners. The side benefit is really hopefully we
don't send that mess to the rest of your house,
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at least not all of it. So we we have
what they're called air scrubbers, and most of the time
you're going to see when when something is happening on
your job, when when there's a mess being created, you're
you're gonna hopefully see one of these running. It's an
air scrubber. It looks like a little red box, like
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maybe a foot and a half by foot and half
by foot half. It's got two stage filter in it,
so it's got a like a furnace filter on the
outside that's kind of a pre filter. Then it's got
a a HEPA filter that's it's several hundred dollars so
they don't have to be replaced often surprisingly not, they
work really well. The air coming out of that air
(25:57):
scrubber is probably going to be cleaner than your normal
side air. It's like actually clean's ear uh, it's a
it goes down to I think I don't know, five
microns or something. It's it's some tiny amount about cigarette
smoke level, which probably isn't a good reference anymore, I guess,
but nobody knows what that is.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But anyways, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
That's our that's our plan when we're when we're doing
it doesn't logistically always work because every house is different.
But if we were working in this room where in
now we would have an air scrubber, we'd be piping
that thing out if we're doing heavy demo, and we're
gonna basically try to create negative pressure in this room.
So it's like taking a fan and blowing it out
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the door, ceiling it and blowing it out through a
hole in the door. And what that does, in theory
is keep the dust from going as you know, a
long ways away from that room. Right, We're gonna try
and keep it here if nothing else. Dust travels quite
a bit versus very naughty.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, here's stories of volcanos exploding on other continent, incident
coming down. I mean, it's it'll make its way around.
And are there different like areas or points of collection
I think of, you know, some of the tools I've
had over the air saws and things with you know,
a little sacks on them the bag. Yeah, I mean,
is that is that something as well? I'm gonna guess
(27:15):
that that's out there and uh, not only helps with
keeping dust down, but I'll probably helps the clean up.
But are there like different areas of dust collection or different.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
There are so a lot of our a lot of
our inside work workers, our trim carpenters will have a
vacuum set up. You can get these now that so
it's a hose to the back of your saw and
when you when you pull a button on that saw
and the saw starts up, the vacuum starts up. I've
got one of these in my home shop. I've got
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one in our in our in our shop, at at work,
at our at our showroom. It's really great because, like
I said, okay, we control the dust. But you know,
homeowners not the only ones that get annoyed by this.
So you have pets, right, you have kids. There's a
lot of things you don't want to breathe. You know,
we talked about some of the big things sometimes asbestos
(28:05):
or lad but you know, there's there's there's really nothing
but clean air should be coming into your into your body.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So the air scrubbers can really help.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Pretty amazing stuff too. As we kind of work through
some of the different things I see online sometimes design
plans for I don't have a I don't have a
wood shop or anything like that at home, but I'm
always jealous of these like systems. So they've got like
the design all your tools each time in the dust clash,
and it got the cortext thing in the middle. I'm like,
man that. And along the lines too, of of of
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dust control and particle control. Obviously we always think of
like the big you know, we always obviously asbestos and
letting those types of things all things you want to
you want to restrict, but those type of things also
there's there's a lot more too. I think a lot
of people don't don't fully appreciate or understand that those
are very specialized and very i say regulated as far
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as how they're how they are.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's kind of the rules aren't loose, but it's kind
of loosely regulated. We have found our best path is
to when we run into something like that or or
anything else nasty, there's companies that are just geared to
do that. They can come in and demo that very quickly.
You know, it used to be such a scary thing
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for a homeowner if you found out you had asbestos
in your house.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh you're you're thinking it's.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Going to be twenty dollars, ten thousand dollars to get
rid of this as best as floor and and they
come in at a much lower price now and you know,
it's a one day operation most of the time, so
it's not really invasive, and it's not as expensive as
you think. I mean, it's it's it's price to where
homeowners go, you know what, I want that stuff out
of here, and that seems like on what it should
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cost to get rid of it. So and Madison's got
a full complement of companies that do that stuff and
we worked.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
With several is there and I just something kind of
popped into my head. Do homeowners that ask about like
what happens to this stuff after it's been collected? I mean,
is that is that? I know? I know, we think
a big stuff like if you're having cupboards and those
that are still usable, can they be can they be
recycled or reuse? But what about some of the small stuff.
Do people do people ask about like where that's going
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or how does that get treated?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
They do most most people want to know what's going
to happen with the things that are coming out of
the house. So, uh, you know, there's a lot of
stuff that we can take to habitat or occasionally we
have people that are in need where that we'll say, hey,
if you come into a kitchen that's still got some
life left and you think it might work for us,
please let us know. We we love to divert those
(30:38):
things that can be reused again. You know, there's a
lot of things that can't be reused again, and you know,
unfortunately there's you know, Dane County does recycle construction materials.
A lot of people don't know this when we go
and dump there. When we when we take our trailer
and dump there, it gets put into a separate area
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that doesn't get buried and so it runs through this
massive chopping machine.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I'm just gonna make up stuff now, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
It does it like grinds everything up and uh, there's
there's magnets that pull the metal out and that gets
recycled and then the wood goes somewhere else. I think
it gets actually blowing off the conveyor. Believe it or not,
and uh, drawAll gets you know, there's the these things
cement all that stuff gets pulled off and recycled and
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so you know there's that side of it. But if
it does still have some use in it, we definitely
don't want to throw it away.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Let's talk too about repurposing things for people that are
you know, you think about kitchen remodels, and I know
this isn't getting a little bit out there and they're
talking about surviving, but you talk about a nice little
reward is for homeowners when we have that conversation of
saying we're gonna do maybe a kitchen ro model, we
still like these cabinets, Could these be repurposed for a
laundry room or garage those type of things. That's also
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a nice, a nice way to handle some of that stuff,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
It is?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And and there's there's so many people that do that
and it is a really really you know, if there's
life left in stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I mean there there's a lot of times.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
We pull things apart and people are going, it's all,
We've used every last inch of it, and it's and
it's got to go. But yeah, generally there's things that
people don't want to get rid of and want to
keep or or neighbors friends. I would say about half
the appliances that we where we pull apart kitchens, they
may not be staying at that house, but they probably
know somebody that wants the fridge for the basement, or
(32:27):
or their dishwasher went down or whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
What about with and just kind of bringing you back
to dust and that type of thing. Obviously, there's there's
going to we talk about being created throughout the process.
There's different stages as far as what's you know, you
talked about the air scrubbers and other things different times
in the project. They're going to have different levels of
air scrubbing, am I right?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
The the most risk and the and the the most
problems with that are up front by the time we
by the time we get to the finished end of it,
like we get past drywall, even our sander. By the way,
we have a drywall sander that we use and look,
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this thing works so great. It's just on a pole,
it's powered soaked up to a vacuum. And that that
used to be such a nasty, dusty job sanding drywall.
I had never looked forward to that job. And but
this this machine is actually I wouldn't say I don't
not going to go as far as I say. It's
fun to run, but you're standing and you're just getting
(33:35):
no drywall dust coming down on your head, dirting up
the floor, and that stuff just seems to go everywhere.
So yeah, different stages do different things. By the time
we get to that part, that little red box, that
little red air scrubber that's there is probably not gonna
be turned on quite as much. It's still there in
case we do have to do something. You know, who
knows what comes up on that job. But oh, by
(33:57):
the way, I talk about that little red box, I
don't discount this thing. It moves something like nine hundred
cubic feet per minute or hour or something. It's just
an amazing amount of It is a very strong fan.
It's tiny but mighty, and it has really been a game.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Changer for us.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I gotta ask about noise mitigation is and obviously there's
construction equipment makes makes noises. I've got to guess that
that's an important conversation we having it. Also, coordinations got
to be I think one of the best ways to
avoid noise is to avoid noise.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I want to wake up at six.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, it's not being but is that part of the discussion.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It is? It is, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
So there's there's times where we can really control it
and then there's times you just got a grin and bitter. Ye.
So we had one of the bigger jobs we did
last year this year, I think it finished this year,
was we tried the roof off a house and went
up and we actually went up and out. So with
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an addition, and we talked to the neighbor hard because
we say, listen, you know, our outside crews are framing crews.
They start seven, they are gonna work extremely hard for
the first you know, they're gonna be here for a
week or two. Uh, it's not gonna be fun. You're
gonna you're gonna be getting up with them because you
just don't have a choice. It's gonna be loud. But
(35:17):
then we're gonna get out of here. So it's we're
gonna try and shorten up. We've had people that were
pretty nervous about that up front. By the time they
saw the guys and saw how it was working, it
was okay.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
We got through it. But I think it's good to
have that discussion with your neighbors.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, as we're model, it's a nice thing to do
to talk to the neighbors too.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Not only surviving your own but also your neighbors survive.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well they might you know, they might be next. So yeah,
it'll be too tough.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
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And we talked. I think the terms plan and prepare
(36:24):
have come up many times, which is which I know
from working with you over the years, Mike, and that
that's a really important thing. Is having a good solid
plan in place really really makes the project enjoyable, really
helps everybody along as far as a good guide and
good preparation for a project overall. Change orders. Let's talk
(36:46):
about change orders.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I know what, Okay, what's your view of a change order? Like,
if you're a homeowner, when you hear that term, does
that make you nervous a little bit?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
I And I think also, by the way, I've probably
been very since I do the show with you, the
Insight Info. Yeah, I understand. So, but let's let's talk
about one what they are and and how things like
that can be can be mitigated. I guess best.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
A change order is a tricky thing from my perspective.
You know, you started off talking about planning and preparation,
and I was thinking, okay, if yours, well, okay, if
if if this job takes too long, it goes back
to planning a prep. If you go, if didn't turn
out the way you wanted or you thought you were
getting something different, kind of goes back to planning a prep.
Maybe you didn't have an accurate contract, blah blah blah.
(37:40):
Just you know, trust but verify, right, that's the whole thing.
And shared orders are are kind of that thing too.
I think a great question for a modeler is, okay,
how do you do change orders?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
How many do you? What do you how many do
you have.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
On average on a on a you know, if I'm
doing a kitchen model, how many change orders are you
used to writing? There are modelers that love change orders.
They are because it's a chance to you know, it's
it's it's an addition to the contract. It's a way
to add dollars to the contract. So and it generally
(38:17):
comes at a premium. So if you're going to do
this one hundred dollars job during the contract, you get it.
You get it for a hundred bucks if it's if
it happens in process later requires a change order. It's
usually a multiplier, like something normal is thirty forty fifty percent,
so I think ours is twenty five percent. Change orders
(38:41):
on my side are not a good deal. It means
we didn't do our job up front. Probably in some cases,
maybe some things want a bigger job. There are things
that slip through the crack, so I don't want to
make it sound like it's just an evil thing. We
are not a company that wants to write ten or
fifteen change orders on a contract. If we have a
(39:02):
big job, there might a normal number for us as
two or three or four. And generally there are things
that got option before but at the time Homer just
wasn't comfortable doing it. But then maybe something changed in
their life, maybe something changed in their financial life, and
so they were able to do it and it gets added.
So however they happen there, they shouldn't. They shouldn't really
(39:28):
be major things necessarily, right. I'm trying to think of
what would be. You know, it's like the TV thing,
you know, where you find something during in the wall.
A lot of builders will find something in the wall
that magically always costs ten thousand or twenty thousand if
you're watching TV. I think that's unethical. I think it's
kind of kind of foolish. It's pretty hard for homewers
(39:52):
to plan for, by the way, and so I think you're,
like I said, you need to find out your model
is your remodelers philosophy beyond change order?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Have you seen the movie Bevera The Hills cop too
when when he rolls up to that mansion. Axel Folly
rolls up to the mansion that they're working on and
he says, these the blueprints are all wrong and they
want to this, this and this is like they want
to live in a donut. He's like, yeah, they want
to live in a doughnut. It's very very funny. But
every time you bring up change orders, that's all I'm
thinking of is people suddenly they got a change, completely change,
(40:25):
and that's you know, we talk about the importance of
you know, working with a contract, having that great relationship,
having a good contract from your contractor with your contractor
to really make this stuff move smoothly. It's a it's
a really important part as we talk about surviving a
major remodel or even a minor remodel. And I think
I'd commented earlier that even if it's a small remodel,
(40:46):
if you're the homeowner, it feels like it's a it's
a big deal. Is you really want to make sure
that all of this stuff is is worked out beforehand,
And that's one of the great things working with Edge Construction,
working through that process, getting all of this stuff taken
care of, so when it comes time to get your
project underway, everybody knows what they're doing and everybody gets
it done quickly. You can learn more online the website
(41:07):
Edgeconstruction Company dot com. That's Edgeconstruction Company dot com. You
better pick a phone. Gave a call this morning six
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