6-20-25 Cincy 360 with Tony Pike

Tony returns to talk about the Reds, the NBA Finals, and the Bengals. Charlie Goldsmith joins to discuss the Reds' recent success and Bengals training camp updates. Tom Gelehrter talks FC Cincinnati. Finally, Bob Mangine discusses the science behind sports injuries.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good afternoon, Happy Friday.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Welcome in to the latest edition of Cincy three sixty
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, a service of
our good friends at Skyline Chili. Whenever you're feeling good
and hungry, it is always Skyline Time. Happy to have
you long. Thanks for joining us today as we wrap
up another week of Cincy three to sixty and talking

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a lot of Cincinnati sports. That'll be the case obviously today,
as as well a couple guests. Let's get that out
of the way first. Charlie Goldsmith, of course, we'll join
us at one o'clock. We'll talk things Reds and talk
some Cincinnati Bengals and Tom gilet or the voice of
FC Cincinnati, who comes off a one nail victory over
New England. We'll talk to Tommy g at two o'clock,

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and then Bob man Jean from the University of Cincinnati
and novacare with some important messaging not for the professional athletes,
but for those that are enjoying as you get a
little bit older, still playing tennis, golf, pickle ball, things
like that, wreck basketball. Some messaging from Bob Mangen and
Novercare especially as we now turn into what feels like

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officially summer with what the weather is doing today and
this weekend and all of next week. So we'll get
some important messaging from Bob Mangen as well. Mike Petrolia
Tregs is in for Moe Egger today, so ideally we'll
have tregs for quick hits to talk about what he's
got coming up from three to six this afternoon. From

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a scheduling standpoint, Austin is out today, uh so no
no Friday edition of Since He three sixty with Austin.
Joe is in for Austin producing today, so we appreciate
Joe and and what he's doing and uh picking up
the uh the time here for Austin. Moe is back
on Monday. I'm out in a in a golf outing

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on Monday. Austin's back and then back to normally scheduled
programming on Tuesday. So a lot of moving parts, but
everything else stays the same. Talkbacks stay the same. Your
phone calls five to one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.
We'll get to those all day today more an hour
one number one than anything. Because we are a little

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bit guest heavy as we go, so plenty of time
for your calls. We'll get into the Cincinnati Reds, whose
attempt at a sweep of the Minnesota Twins fell short yesterday,
but the Reds do win the series. They have won
now four series in a row. We'll look ahead to
what's next for the Cincinnati Reds this weekend. We'll recap
yesterday's loss. Every loss that goes by every pitching performance.

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Now for me, that goes by where a pitcher struggles,
especially while Hunter Green is out for a longer period
of time. It begs the question how much more has
to happen before you would think to give Chase Burns
an opportunity. So we'll dive in to that and a
common theme today with the Reds and the Bengals. If

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there was a move to be made, if Nick Krawl's
comments were different, and Nick Krawl had said, we are
scouring every major League Baseball team. We are working feverishly
to get a deal done to make an addition to
this team so that they are viewed as more of
a legitimate contender. If that was the case, what position

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would be your number one to add to another? Starter, bullpen, outfield, power,
bat If you had the ability, not a player standpoint,
but strictly a position standpoint. If you had the position
of the ability to add a position for the Cincinnati
Reds that you feel would make them a legitimate contender.

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Which position would that be? We'll discuss that today with
the sense Reds, and for the Bengals, I'd like to
do the same. Today is July or June twentieth. The
Bengals get underway on July twenty third, that is their
first official training camp practice. So I pose the same
question for the Cincinnati Bengals today that we ask for

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the Cincinnati Reds. With camp a little over a month away.
This is our by the way, Revivefitnessystems dot com poll
question today, thanks to our guy PJ.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Street.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
With camp a little over a month away, for the Bengals,
which position would you like to see them add between
now and then? Your options are offensive line, defensive line, secondary,
or other. So far, fifty seven percent of voters say
they would still add to the offensive line for the

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Cincinnati Bengals, twenty three percent say the secondary, twenty percent
of the defensive line, and no one. No one has
said other. So we'll dive more into that deadlines are
happening for the Cincinnati Bengals and Hamilton County. Ten days

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away now from the lease extension deadline expiring, so ten
more days to get word from the Bengals on whether
they're going to extend the lease or not. It's an
agreement right now that both sides have kind of opposing
views on. For instance, the Cincinnati Bengals their current lease

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extension of five years, with the Bengals paying one hundred
and twenty five million to the counties three to eight
and the city contributing fifty percent of tax revenue. Hamilton
County came back they won a new fifteen year lease
with the county paying three hundred and fifty seven and
a half million, Bengals playing Bengals paying three hundred and
twelve and a half with no mention of city tax revenue.

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So it does feel like that the least proposals differ
in a couple of key areas, but that is something
we will continue to obviously keep an eye on as
it relates to the top sports stories happening around the
sports world. The Indiana Pacers last night in dominating fashion

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as a home underdog in Game six of the NBA
Finals have forced a Game seven, some of the best
word in sport. Game seven that's going to happen on Sunday,
eight pm, one game to decide the NBA champion. Thunder
will be home. They are seven and a half point

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favorites as of now, but last night as six and
a half point favorites, they were boat raced, Indiana, outscoring
the Oklahoma City Thunder thirty six to seventeen in the
second quarter. They led by as many as thirty in
the second half. They cruise to a one toh eight
ninety one victory. In doing so, It's much of the

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same that you see when the Indiana Pacers win. It's
the balance.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
TJ.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
McConnell twelve obi top and led all scorers last night
for the Indiana Pacers with twenty points, fourteen from Halliburton,
seventeen from Nemhart, Nate Smith had ten, Pascal Siakim had
sixteen and including one of the best poster dunks you'll
see in InLu to one hundred and eight points for
Oklahoma City. Shay Gildris Alexander twenty one points. Jalen Williams,

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coming off a forty burger, had just sixteen cheded Holmgren again,
no show, four points on the night, and again, what
else can you ask for in sports? Then a game
seven to determine the champion of that individual season. What
an opportunity Sunday night for both the Pacers and the

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Oklahoma City Thunder. Tempers continue to flare, and did so
last night against the in the Dodgers and Padre series.
Sho Hey Otani last night took a one hundred mile
an hour fastball to his right shoulder blade in the
bottom half of the ninth inning, the eighth time a

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batter had been hit in the series between the Dodgers
and the Padres. A half inning before Otani got hit,
Fernando Tatis Junior took a ninety three mile an hour
fastball off the right hand. Second time in the span
of three days that Tatisa and Otani had been hit
by pitches immediately after each other, and the fourth time

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since the start of the series that Fernando Tatis had
been hit. Incredible, incredible stuff to watch. Now, that's a
tough line to tow for me, because you're talking about
not just hitting a player for the other team, but
one hundred mile an hour fastball to Otani and Tatis

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taking fastballs, and that is a that's a difference maker.
You're you're you're kind of borderline with the best players
on his perspective team. You better hope that those injuries
or that those hits by pitch don't turn into serious injuries.
But no doubt, temper's flaring as the Dodger, Dodgers and

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Padres continue to boil over. For what it's worth, the
Padres did find a way to win that game last night,
the uh the final game, so that the Padres also
avoided a sweep last night. From a Major League Baseball
standings point, UH the Yankees and their win streak. They

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are two and a half clear of the Tampa Bay
Rays in the AL East. The Tigers still hold a
nine and a half game lead on the Cleveland Guardians
in the AL Central. Tiger's still with the best record
in all of baseball, and the Houston Astros now five
clear of the Seattle Mariners in the West. The New
York Mets continue to lose. They have we lost six
games in a row. They were just swept by the

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Atlanta Braves, and now the Mets and the Phillies sit
atop the NL East tied after the Phillies have now
won eight of their last ten. Chicago Cubs still five
and a half clear of the Brewers, and the Cardinals
six and a half clear of the Cincinnati Reds, and
the Dodgers hold a three and a half game lead

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on the San Francisco Giants in the NL West. That
is where we sit right now from a Major League
Baseball standings standpoint. We're gonna talk FC Cincinnati. As mentioned today,
it is worth noting Team USA, the US men's national
team last night in the CONCACAFF Gold Cup. They did

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beat Saudi Arabia one nothing, but that was a game
in which the Red, White and Blue were supposed to dominate,
supposed to cruise. There's a lot of questions right now
as it pertains to the US men's national team. And
Shador Sanders was sighted for speeding, I believe for the

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second time this month. Shador Sanders, according to the Medina
up in Ohio municipal Court record, was caught on June
sixth for speeding. He was going ninety five and a
sixty five and then of course was just recently pulled
over this week for going over one hundred miles an

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hour as well one oh one. He was caught earlier
in the week, so Shador Sanders twice this month has
been cited for speeding. And today is a special day,
and it's not at all sports related. Today is a
special day because fifty years ago today was the debut
of the movie Jaws. Fifty years ago today, Jaws was released,

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and uniquely still one of those movies that can literally
withstand the test of time and be just as good
watching it today as it was probably fifty years ago.
If you want to talk about that on talkbacks today
or a phone call, we can do that as well.
It's completely open to you. It's your show on a Friday.
It's a five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty.

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We obviously have a REDS game to recat from yesterday,
a twelve to five loss, that we'll get to when
we start back in our number one here. Before we
get to a break though, let's open up the phone
lines and go to Mark.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Mark, what's up.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Taking my call?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yes, sir, I.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Wasn't too disturbed about that game yesterday. Every now and then,
every pitch is gonna throw a clunker out there. You
can expect that, but when I was disturbed. I'm disturbed
with will Vince because I still see him swinging at
that half ass ball and miss it. You know, he's

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I'm starting.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
To think that's the habit with him.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Yeah, Dad, he can't. He can't lay off that pitch.
I mean, it's a ball. If he lays off of it,
it's a ball, and then that forces the pitcher to
come down in the zone where where he can drive
at the left, center field or center field. I get
frustrated with him seeing that he cannot lay off that

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has fast ball.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, what's on that?

Speaker 7 (13:22):
It is?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's it's almost like it's it's the main thing that
holds him back. And when you see so many pitchers
pitching him high, that's obviously the scattering report.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's just it one.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's it's it's such a harder pitch to get up
to because it's it's not just coming in at say
ninety five. The higher that ball gets, the tougher it
is to catch up too. From a velocity standpoint, you
you have to you have to know that that's what
they're actively working on, because you're starting to see more
unlocked and Will Benson's game. I think the fact that
he's hitting solid contact line drives opposite field tells me

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he's seeing the ball well the the at bats where
he's battling. But if there is still an a Achilles
heel with Will Benson, it is the inability to one
lay off that high pitch and two to catch up
to it if he does take a swing out of it.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Okay, okay, as far as you know, then making a
move before the All Star break or at the break.
You know, when when Jamber comes back, when when Martin
comes back and I think, what was Austin Hayes comes back?
Who who's going down? How is that going out right?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Because you would you would think, I mean Connor Joe,
I would think would go. But you would think Will
Benson at least has done enough to this point to
keep a consistent role that he's kind of vetched himself in,
especially against right handed pitching. I do think they're going
to have some tough conversations that that is specifically mark
a question that I'll ask Charlie today, because these guys

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do feel like they're getting closer to being healthy and
there are decisions to be made for a team that
has been playing pretty well you mentioned. Let me ask
you one more question. Mark, you mentioned this team and
not really concerning yourself with some bad outings from a
pitching standpoint. Let's just take Nick Martinez right now. For example,
Nick Martinez on June first against the Chicago Cubs went

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four and two thirds, gave up five runs. On the
thirteenth of June, he gave up four runs and five innings,
and then yesterday seven earned runs and two and two thirds.
What type of leash would you have with Nick Martinez?
The more you continue to see what we've seen out
of Chase Burns, at some point do you have to say, man,

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it's hard to ignore what Chase Burns is doing, especially
if Nick Martinez doesn't get the job done going forward.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
Okay, I'll answer that question, and didn't make one point
before I get off, and I wanted to take on it.
But on Nick Martinez, I think with him, his salary
determines that you got to keep him in a rotation.
I mean, who will want to pay a guy that
much money to come out the bullpen unless he was

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a closer. So I think he's in that rotation probably
and until they can trade him or to the end
of the season based on his salary. If he wasn't
making the salary that he's making, he'd be put out
the bullpen. I don't think he'd be in a rotation correct.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
And now with Hunter Green being out a little bit longer,
and you hope that Wade Miley can keep up what
he's been able to do. But all of a sudden,
you go from the strengths being the starting pitching to thinking, Okay,
there's Andrew Abbott, Lodolo's been good at times, not great.
Singer's been solid, but now the bottom of that rotation
could be a little shakier. And I just wonder the

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type of pressure that Chase Burns could put on this
organization if he continues to pitch like the way he
did on Wednesday.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
Okay, let me let me uh, let me ask this question,
and I'll get off. When all those guys get back
healthy and they got to make some roster moves and
the trade deadline comes up, could you see them moving
resigns to another team because it looks like they don't
want to bring them up and make a spot for him.

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I'll get off and listen. What do you what do
you see that's gonna happen with him because you see
another team inquiring about trading for him. So I'll get
off and listen to the rest of the show.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Mark, I appreciate that, man, Thank you appreciate the call. Yeah,
let's let's dive into that with the Cincinnati Reds when
we get back, because I certainly don't believe that it's felt,
at least what we see from a statistic standpoint, it
doesn't feel like the Reds are as high on resigns
maybe as others, and the numbers that he's putting up
in Triple A have been great.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Again.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Charlie Goldsmith, who's gonna join us at one was uh
was able to get down to the Louis Saul Reese
Tins in person, Saul Chase Burns, Saul Jay mccandelario. So
I want to get a lot of Charlie's take on
it because I'm I'm a guy that's been a resigns proponent.
I've been a fan of what he's been able to do.
He does not get the consistent at bats at the
major league level, So I do think that's an interesting

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conversation to have. Let's start with that in the Cincinnati
Reds when we return. We'll also take some more phone
calls along the way. Five one, three, seven, four nine,
fifteen thirty. This is Sincy three to sixty thanks to
our friends at Skyline Chile.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Since he three to sixty Thanks to Skyline Chiley, thank
you for listening on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.

Speaker 8 (18:46):
UH.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
We are going to dive into the Reds game, their
loss from yesterday and looking ahead to a trip to
Saint Louis starting tonight, a trip or they're going to
get things underway against the always devastating against the Reds.
Andre Polonte, Yes, the uh, the player, the pitcher who
seemingly makes his case for the Hall of Fame every

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time he takes the mount against the Cincinnati Reds. Five
and two is Andre Polante in sixteen appearances with the
Reds with an ERA of two point one eight. We'll
talk more about the Reds.

Speaker 9 (19:21):
UH.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
In just a moment, Let's grab another phone call that
was on the line before we took the break.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
There Mike is calling in right now. What's up, Mike's
big fella.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
How you doing, Mike?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
What's going on in Los Angeles? Why are these two
teams hitting each other so much, and why are they
hitting the star players for each team.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
The rivalry, probably the best rivalry in professional baseball, maybe
over and above the Red Sox and the Yankees, is
coming to the surface here. It's no longer the Giants
and the Dodgers, not really people want to steal massage that.
But now it's the hatred, mostly started by the Padres,

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I think because of just frustration that they can't win
a damn a West title, and then that breeds bad
behavior on the Dodgers' side. But I don't see that.
I don't see this. This this uh, this thing's calming
down and unless the league steps in and there's some
the hatred there brother, And.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
There's one thing too, and not to demean the player
and their abilities, but it's one thing. If you're the
Padres and you throw out Enrique Hernandez. It's another thing
if you throw a hundred mile an hour fastball that
hits the shoulders of Shoheo Tani yeah, or if you're
the Dodgers and you're throwing it Fernando Tatis Junior. It's
one thing to purposely hit another player when you go

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at the best player on the other team. You are
open yourself up for an absolute war, and at the
same time it does become must sy TV because you
want to tune in to see what happens next.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
Yeah, you're right, but I don't know, Tony, because I mean,
I'm stuff. I've never known this to happen. But can
the league step in on somebody? I guess it would
have to go for more than maybe another game or so.
Can the league actually step and just start suspending guys?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
I would imagine before the game they could say, look,
there is zero tolerance going into today. If you do
hit a player, you're going to be immediately ejected and
then you're going to be subject defines. I think that's
the only way at this point that you you subside
this at all.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
And they have to do that. Who is out of hand?

Speaker 8 (21:30):
Now?

Speaker 6 (21:31):
Yes, I mean we all like rivalries, but let's get real, fellaws.
You're you're supposed to really want to beat your opponent,
but you don't want to kill them. Correct, Let's get real.
You know, so anyway that that's taking it too far.
And I'll tell you who's really bad about that is?
Is uh is manny uh? At third he I'm telling you, man,

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that guy the Dodgers got rid of him, and there
was a reason because he he's got a real chip,
Manny Anny Machado has always had a chip, and that's
one reason Baltimore kind of got rid of him. And
he's settled in now his life being in San Diego
to his family and everything's from down there. But uh,
but Manny's uh, I don't know. You've probably seen him

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that there's something about him over the years. He's looking
for some stuff. He's always looking to start something, and
he's a cocky son of a gun, you know he is. Yep,
all right, thanks, I didn't mean to get off on
meaning to ask God, been meaning to ask you. This
is nice about Austin being there. I hope you're enjoying yourself,
but we're enjoying you enjoying yourself. So it's a win win, buddy.

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When it comes to contracts, you know, and any professional sports,
well one thing I will say, well, we keep talking
about like this this big ring culture thing that they're
talking about now in the NBA that that Lebron kind
of went up on. If you don't have a ring,
you're you know, you're not really successful or blah blah blah.
But I think that that thing's gotten kind of because

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it's team sports. You can you can do that. In boxing,
you can, you can, you can. It's just so much
easier to analyze and and uh, what's the word I'm
looking for to analyze or make your case for greatest
of all time and different things if it's tennis or boxing, golf,
or but team sports, tony is hard. It just is

(23:28):
to say that if that a quarterback isn't isn't an
all time great quarterback because he doesn't have a ring?
I don't know if that's fair. I just don't what
do you think?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
No, it is tough, and you know, it's part of
the conversation we have all the time with the Cincinnati
Bengals and why we say the Super Bowl window Joe
Burrow statistically couldn't have played any better last year. He
put up Hall of Fame worthy quarterback numbers and the
team didn't make the postseason. So you know, it's it's
hard to say, you know, and again, golf it's easy.

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It's easier to say greatest of all time Tennis, those sports, basketball,
because there's five there's less players. You can impact the
game more as an individual player. But we saw firsthand
Jamar Chase won a triple crown last year and Joe
Burrow set records and the team didn't make the playoffs.
And I think I think that's the ultimate, I think
definition of of how you view all time greats. I mean,

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Brady did it for such a long time and he
won it in so many different ways that you kind
of view, Okay, that's the goat because of that, but
his statistics back it up as well. But there are
other again quarterbacks out there, there are other players out
there that were just never put in the right situation
to succeed or quite frankly, I always put it, as
you know, in Derek Jeter's tenure with the New York Yankees,

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how many good shortstops were probably stuck in double A
or triple A. Some guys just come up in the
wrong time and in the wrong era, yeah, and never
get their opportunity or the right fit with the right team.
And I think that goes into it as well.

Speaker 6 (24:57):
Yeah, I agree with you, that's you stated that very well.
I got two other things. I really wouldn't give me
some time if you can't, So I was talking about contracts.
There's a there's a big change from when I was younger,
even your age maybe, where baseball contracts and money and
all this was not talked about. It just wasn't and
the teams were pretty static.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (25:19):
That's why in my age group sixties seventies growing up,
if you were in the team sports, you could pretty
much tell every team, at least in the National League
where the Reds were. You could tell your friends that
the lineup for all those teams and their best three
or four pitchers for the Pirates, for the Cardinals, for
almost every team in an ancient league, and if you

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were really into it, you could even do the American
League because nobody moved right there was an occasional trade.
Do you like that way better or do you like
this way better? When everybody's a money whore and everything's
out in the open and we talk more about money
and almost than we do about the sport.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I liked the little.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I liked it more of how it used to be
because I thought there was more loyalty in the game,
and you know, to to kind of bring it full
circle on what we talked about with the Dodgers and Padres,
when when you stay with a team for a long
amount of time, you create and establish that culture one
that you're trying to build in two you you create

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a lot of that that angst against other teams. Rivalries
are harder in sports today because guys don't know much
about them. I mean, you look at the cross Down
shootout here in Cincinnati when when you see Xavier's roster
is full of one year transfers. They don't know the
hatred that that is around that rivalry game. They might
feel it when the game happens itself, but leading up

(26:44):
into it, you don't get the feel of what the
shootout used to be when you had guys that were
there for three or four years. And you know, I
think that's what made so much of Yankees, Red Sox
what it was when I was growing up, is because
guys came up, they played for that team, and they
were there so long. You we ate those rivalries within.
Guys just don't spend as much time with one team now,

(27:04):
and I think that takes away a little bit from
that in sports.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
I do too, And you know, my age group, I
remember that even though the Reds and the Dodgers were
in we're in two different divisions when they when they
broke down, when they broke the league in the divisions,
but they were actually in the West. The Reds were
in the West. My Dodgers were in the West. And
the rivalry was incredible between the Dodgers and the Reds

(27:30):
in the seventies. It was really a probably that's why,
at least the second best rivalry in baseball, and that
has gone away. Based on all this stuff we talked about,
I got another thing I wanted to bring up. How
about this guy, Mark Walter pop and ten bill for
the Lakers? Man till that's almost double what they got

(27:51):
for this Celtic lass year yep, ten billion times.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I mean, unbelievable that that's sale. And I think, I mean,
I don't know exactly what the Bus family paid for
the Lakers, but I know it was in the millions.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
The sixty seven point five million back in the in
the late seventies.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Unbelievable. And you sell it, and you sell it for
ten billion dollars, that's a good investment.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, that's a good investment.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
That's a damn good investment. And it just goes to
show you out. And then the football teams are worth more,
right taqily or even worth more than the baseball teams.
I know the Cowboys are probably worth well. I don't
even know how much they're worth, but even though they
don't win, and they're still worth some billion, billion, billions
and billions. One last trivia question for you, and thanks
for all this time. You give me who this past

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year in the NBA and I'm glad you mentioned talk
quite a bit about the game Sunday. That's a big
deal man, the small market teams, it's really fun. And
I'm going to have to root for Andy just because
they're so close to home. But it's okay, see wins.
I'm cool with that. They've never won anything out there,
so either way. But are your rooting for Indy aren't you?

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (29:05):
Are?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yes? I'd like to win it.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
I did. Thanks. Who was the number one team this year?
That was a favorite from a gambling standpoint? Who was
the number one? Well, actually all time? I shouldn't have
said this. Who's the number one team all time? And
it's say within the last thirty years, Let's say the
number one team all time from a gambling perspective during

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the regular season and the playoffs? Who which which one
team in the NBA was the top, was the favorite,
as they said, again from a gambling perspective, was for
every regular season game and playoff game over the last
thirty years, for full one season Celtics.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Nope, that's what I thought, man, I would I would
have thought the Celtics, for sure.

Speaker 6 (29:59):
That's what I thought. It was a hunt. You want
to take another one because you're going to be surprised.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
No, go ahead, give it to me.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
It was the thunder.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
That is surprising.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
One hundred and four games even through the playoffs. Now
they were picked as a favorite.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, that is absolutely incredible.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
One hundred and four games. Crazy from gambling. Thanks Tom
for the time, Buddy.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Thank you, Mike, have a great weekend. Thank you.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Go all right.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
When we come back, we will switch gears back to
the Cincinnati Reds again. Their attempt at a sweep falls short,
but does not diminish what they've been able to get
done over the last four series and what they've done
to get themselves back in the middle of a wild
card playoff push. We'll talk Reds when we return on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to Skyline Chile,

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coach PJ.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Street.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
With camp a little over a month away for the
Cincinnati Bengals, which position would you like to see them
add to between now and then? Still no one has
voted for other Nineteen percent of you say the defensive line,
twenty five percent say the secondary and fifty six percent
of the voters at this current point say that they

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would still upgrade the offensive line. We'll talk more about
that as we go. Charlie Goldsmith is joining us at
one o'clock today as well. Before we get to that,
the the Cincinnati Reads four game winning streak is over
and the Minnesota Twins are gone now they won two
out of three from the Minnesota Twins, but I would

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imagine that Red's pitchers are good. With Byron Buxton now
leaving Cincinnati. Byron Buxton finished the series red Hot. He
hit four home runs over the three game set back
to that games with a leadoff home run, and yesterday
hit two home runs for the Minnesota Twins as they
beat the Cincinnati Reds yesterday twelve to five. It was

(32:33):
a game in which the Twins had four home runs,
six doubles, and overall collected seventeen hits in the afternoon.
It was a team in Minnesota that had struggled offensively
coming in to the series, but not a great day
on the mound for Nick Martinez. Nick Martinez gave up
three home runs in the first two winnings. He gave

(32:55):
up seven runs over two and two thirds fifty two pitches,
and at times felt like even at two and two thirds,
he was out there a little bit too long. Lance
McCallister alluded to this. I was falling along with him
last night. It wasn't a series in which the bullpen

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was taxed. On Wednesday, it seemed like an opportunity to
maybe try and win one ugly because while the Reds
did trail seven to two at one point, they also
led after going down in the first inning. They did
cut it to seven to four, but it just the
pitching was never able to slow the Twins down. Yesterday
offensively ten more hits for the Cincinnati Reds. Two out

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runs have been a theme this series. They added two
more yesterday and another multi hit game for TJ Friedel,
who has just been ridiculous. He had three hits on
the day yesterday. Gavin Lux had a two run home
run yesterday, Oh for four day for Elie de la Cruz,
Tyler Stevenson got himself if a single. Spencer Steer was

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two for four with an RBI. McClain, Espinall and ces
All added hits as well. Outside of Nick Martinez, Lion
Richardson went one inning, three hits and two runs, Sooner
win an inning, a third, Ian Jabo went an inning
and two thirds. Taylor Rodgers gave up three hits and
two runs over the course of an inning, and Luis

(34:23):
May and one and a third innings of work also
gave up a run. So you view it as a positive,
no doubt, because they have won another series. It's the
fourth straight series win for the Cincinnati Reds. Would you
have loved to sweep, absolutely, But if anything, what you've

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done now, if you're the Cincinnati Reds, is put yourself
in a very interesting position going forward. As play will
resume tonight. The Cincinnati Reds find themselves a game and
a half out of the wild card in the National
League at thirty nine and thirty six. Interestingly enough, one
of the teams that they are looking ahead at is

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the team they will be playing. The Saint Louis Cardinals
are one game ahead of the Cincinnati Reds, as are
the Milwaukee Brewers, so Phillies, Giants, Padres, Brewers, Cardinals currently
the teams that are above the Cincinnati Reds when you
look at the wild card aspect of things. The Giants

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getting ready to host the Boston Red Sox for a series.
The Brewers now take on the Minnesota Twins as they
leave Cincinnati and head home to host the Brewers, Phillies,
Mets get ready for a weekend series to first place teams.
But again one of those teams the Reds are still
looking up at. So work to be done, I believe

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over the weekend. From a Padres standpoint, I don't know
who the Padres. The Padres take on the Royals this
weekend as well, so those are the teams that the
Reds are looking up at. But the biggest question that
remains for me yesterday is looking at the start of

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Nick Martinez, and it's not looking at the start of
Nick Martinez and piling on because he had one bad outing,
But over the course of what he's done recently and
three of the last four outings that he has pitched in,
Nick Martinez has not been his best. Now against Arizona,
he did go six innings, allowing just one earned run,

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But sandwiched in between all of that was a June
first outing against the Cubs where he gave up five
runs over four and two thirds. In a loss to
the Detroit Tigers, he gave up eight hits and four
runs over five innings, and then obviously yesterday two and
two thirds seven earned runs for the Cincinnati Reds now

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on the season again, the Reds pitching staff is still
a strength, and this isn't piling on to what they're doing.
I mean, if you look from a team standpoint, Lodolo's
ERA is at three point seven, Martinez is now four
five five, Brady's Singer four three four, Andrew Abbott one
eight four, and obviously Hunter Green, who's kind of the

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wild card here with his health, still has an ERA
that sits at two point seven two. So Wade Miley,
he's been solid in two outings for you. His era
is UH is still six point seventy five. But you've
got back to back five inning outings of good work

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from Wayde Miley where he gave up three and two runs, respectively.
But my question now turns, and we'll get this with
Charlie Goldsmith later this afternoon here in our number two,
how many more outings, let's say, like that from Nick
Martinez would it take for the Reds now to fast

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track Chase Burns. Because Chase Burns has now done it
at every level. Seven innings of one run baseball earlier
this week is what he produced in Louisville. He has
pitched in high leverage situations. He's pitched in high leverage
at bats, he's pitched out of the full wind up,
he's pitched out of the stretch, and everywhere he's gone

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he has succeeded. And I think it puts a little
more emphasis on things for the Reds because of the
status of Hunter Green. I don't know how much you
feel like you're gonna be able to get out of
Wade Miley consistently. I am but you feel great about Lodolo.
I think you feel pretty solid about Brady Singer even

(38:35):
I think you feel solid about I think you're right
to question the consistency of Nick Martinez. I think you'd
be okay to question how long can they get this
out of Wade Miley? And if if one of those fails,
is Chase Burns the next option? That's my biggest question,
more so than if if you've got to move on,

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more so if you if you say, okay, well we've
got to try something else other than what Nick Martinez
has given us, or eventually something else other than WAYE
Miley has given us. Is it Chase Burns or is
there another option or options that you would go to
if you're the Cincinnati Reds before you go to Chase Burns.

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That to me is the most fascinating part about this,
Not if you need Chase Burns, but if you need
another pitcher to fill a slot.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Does Burns get that call?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Spiers get that call, Chase Petty get that call, Graham
Ashcraft get that call. I mean, there's a lot of
possible guys out there. I'd be interested to know from
a Red standpoint, who that may be. We'll talk with
Charlie Goldsmith about that in just about fifteen minutes. When
we come back. Let's look ahead to the series this

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weekend with the Saint Louis Cardinals and a little bit
about the additions you would add to the Cincinnati Reds.
That is next on ESPN fifteen thirty. It's Cincinnati Sports Station.
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For the Cincinnati Reds. After the homestand win against the
Minnesota Twins, they are on the road starting tonight they
take on the Saint Louis Cardinals again. Saint Louis right

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now has a one game lead on the Cincinnati Reds,
obviously in the end of Central but in the wild
Card race as well. For the Reds, it's going to
be Brady Singer taking the mound in Game one, Wade
Miley in Game two, and then on Sunday Andrew Abbott

(41:22):
takes the mound that game Tomorrow. By the way, a
two fifteen start will have Sonny Gray, the former Red
going up against Wade Miley. But for the Reds tonight,
Andre Polante is on the hill now. His ERA for
his career is over four as a starting pitcher in

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Major League Baseball, but in sixteen appearances against the Cincinnati
Reds he is five and two with an ERA of
just two point one point eight and thirty six strikeouts
to go along with that as well, so obviously something
to keep an eye on. He did take on the
Cincinnati Reds once this year, six innings, three earned runs.

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He did strike out four batters. That was a game
in which Polonte lost because Nick Martinez went six innings
giving up one run, and then ashcrafts Antiano Pagan shut
the door for a Reds three to one victory. So
that gets you set for what the weekend holds, and
then you want to talk about some baseball coming into

(42:27):
Great American Ballpark. Next week Monday starts a three game
set against the New York Yankees. In that series, you
will see Max Freed for the Yankees, and then Friday, Saturday,
Sunday at the ballpark here in Cincinnati, the San Diego
Padres come into town, so three at Saint Louis, and

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then you're gonna host six straight games against the Yankees
and the Padres before road trips to Boston and Philadelphia.
It really feel like now that stretch where if you
can find a way to play this stretch at above
five hundred baseball and get through it and get to
that series right before the All Star Break against the

(43:12):
Marlins and the Colorado Rockies with the chance to build
on that above five hundred record, I think you really
give yourself a chance to then have a serious conversation
about the buyer seller deadline if you're the Cincinnati Reds
and Nick Krawl, and that's to me, that leads me
to what I wanted to rap with. And we'll throw
this into Charlie Goldsmith as well, because there are decisions

(43:35):
Nick Krawl will have to make going forward again, if
Nick Martinez were to struggle in a couple more starts,
or Wade Miley were to struggle, you have to make
the choice if you're Nick Krawl, while not having Hunter
Green in the rotation as well, what to do with
the pitching staff. You've got a guy in tripa A
who's killing it in Chase Burns. So you have an
interesting question that you have to answer there. And there's

(43:58):
obviously the question about the trade deadline, and you know,
are you going to rely on players just getting healthy
or are you going to try to rely on adding
someone or some players to this roster. But for me,
what is interesting and what I'll ask you and you
could leave this for a talkback answer for us today
if you'd like. As well, if the Reds were to

(44:18):
be buyers, where are you buying into? Because I think
the conversation around untouchables has changed for the Cincinnati Reds
of how many guys you're willing to not part ways
with from the major league level or from the farm system.
What position would you highlight if you are Nick Crawl,

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that you believe could immediately make this team more of
a contender than what they are now outside of just saying, well,
Nola a Marte is going to be back soon. Hopefully
Austin Hayes comes back, Hopefully Hunter Green comes back healthy
and ready to go. Outside of hoping that role players
get healthy and help this team, what is one position

(45:05):
you could attack and feel really good about this team's
chances to not only play in the postseason, but to
make noise in the postseason. Because, make no mistake about it,
if you go into a postgame series, a postseason series,
and you've got let's say, Hunter Green, Andrew Abbit and
Nick Loodolo in a three game set, pitching wise, you

(45:25):
feel good about competing the other side of it, I'm
not so sure. Or maybe you think the bullpen still
needs help. If you can get six or seven out
of a starter, can you throw it to someone in
the bullpen who's going to come in and you know
they're going to get the job done. Or maybe you
just still feel like this team needs a power back.

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Maybe you feel like they need the addition of a
hitter at some point that can add consistent power for
the Cincinnati Red. So leave us a talk back, let
us know that, and with our Revive Fitness Systems dot
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now on the July twenty third start of training camp
for the Bengals, and you could add one position group.

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Which position group are you building into to make the
Bengals more suitable to be a Super Bowl contender? Speaking
of the Bengals, speaking of the Reds. When we get back,
we'll talk both with Charlie Goldsmith, who joins us next
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As we embark on the second hour here of Cincy
three to sixty, let's kick it off the way we

(46:52):
always do on Friday afternoon here kicking off things with
Charlie Goldsmith, who joins us right now.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Charlie, what's up, Tony?

Speaker 6 (47:01):
How are you, Charlie?

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I'm great?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (47:03):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 7 (47:04):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Let's get to the big league club in just a moment,
because you made a trip to Louisville this week, and
what a day to go. You got to see Chase Burns,
you got to see Jamer with some power, You got
to see rhes Hines flash the power as well. What
are your biggest takeaways from what you were able to
see with the Louisville Bats over the week.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
Well, there's been a lot of conversations about Chase Burns,
and just everything I saw reinforced that we should be
having these conversations that Chase Burns is the guy who's
set up, so I think goes up to the hype
and he is at a really cool spot. Obviously, he
has the stuff to wipe out one hundred mile an
hour fastball and then a really, really great slider. That

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was a big reason why the Reds drafted because of
their confidence in that pitch. But then he's landing change
ups in a very advanced fashion compared to what you
see from typical top pitching prospects. It didn't even feel
like too it was Chase Burns's best day. It wasn't
like he was had everything firing on all cylinders and
it was still truly one of the like aside from Ellie.

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It was right up there with like Punter Green and
nic Lodolo for the best prospect performances that I've seen.
So he's ready to get out now. But there's a
plan in place that we can talk about too. And
there are understandable reasons why he's not in the big
league because they do want to manage his innings and
not necessarily have to throw him into the fire because
of the long term impact that could have. But Chase

(48:32):
Burns Tech, get down to Littleville if you can. You'll
have a long time to watch him in Cincinnati. But
it was worth the trip.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
You mentioned some hurdles maybe to clear. I know I
was falling along as you were down there, and you mentioned,
you know, with a run around thrower, the ability to
go to back to back sliders and to trust not
just the fastball but the off speed pitches as well.
You see and you kind of hear about the different
box that he's checking off as he goes.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Do you still feel or.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Can and your point to maybe one that you say, Okay,
he still maybe needs some work in this area.

Speaker 7 (49:05):
Well, first he can get outs in the big leagues
right now, and he's kind of or he's not. Kind
of he's ready for that. A huge part of it
is like pitching every fifth day is something that one
is new to him too, just the routine that you
have to go through. Like I just heard a story
a couple of weeks ago about how Andrew Abbott just

(49:26):
completely remade his routine this season and it helped him
be prepared and ready to go and navigate kind of
the grind of the season. And Abbot in year three
in the big leagues and that's when he figured it out,
Like there is such a difference of the professional schedule
that it's okay to give a guy time to see
al right, on day two between on day two out

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of five, when it's ninety degrees out, should I run
the stadium steps that day? Or should I just run
on the treadmill indoors. Like it's these little routine things,
these nuances of the schedule of kind of handling higher
quality hitters, agetting. The stuff's there. The ability to pitch
is there, but you talk about that, and then you
also talk about the fact that they do want to

(50:10):
manage his innings and his pitches like it wouldn't be
fair to ask Chase Burns just to pitch every fifth
day and throw seven innings for the rest of the season.
And if he's not fully built up to be that
starting pitcher every fifth day down the stretch, well then
that doesn't help the rest of the team, just in
term that the wear it puts on, wear and tear
it puts on your bullpen, things like that. So Burns

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this time is useful, but he is also ready to
get out.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
You also were able to see a guy in Reese
Hind who is now hitting two ninety four at the
Triple A level ten home runs. I think you'd like
to see the strikeouts come down. But he's stealing bases.
He's stolen thirteen bases, He's walked twenty different times. What
do you view right now with Reese Hines and his
value to this organization? Is it a longer stint in

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Triple A? Do you think there could be time that
Resigns gets back to the major league ball club?

Speaker 7 (51:02):
How do you view that there's nothing wrong with continuing
to have him in Triple A where he can develop
because he does clearly have stuff to work on, stuff
that's been exposed when he's been up in the big leagues,
and this again ability to improved is very useful for
a guy who again has things he needs to work on,
Like he homered when I was there, but he also

(51:22):
struck out three times on the same pitch, the low
and away breaking ball. Another thing is, you know, you
look at the Reds, I'm not sure that he would
He wouldn't play every day against right handed pitching over
Freeley or over Benson. So if he's not playing every
day and he is just a platoon player. Now, if
the Reds face, say if they have a run coming

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up where it's like seven left handers in two weeks,
then yeah, I could see re Times definitely having a
role being able to help there. I can also see
him making improvements between now and say July and coming
up and becoming a bigger part of this mix down
the stretch. But the last thing is the defense and
the base running in kind of the way he plays
the game, the situational baseball. We've seen it in the

(52:03):
big leagues, they've seen it more in the minor leagues.
That stuff he has to show improvement with two he
should be a more well rounded player with the tools
he has, but he's very young, and he's battle injuries
and he needs time to play, and he's working on
those skills, which is the reason he's not up.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I want to get to what the Reds are doing.
But also kind of concluding the conversation we had, you
saw Jamer Candelario hit a home run while you were
in Louisville. We hear that Austin Hayes, and hopefully Austin
Hayes is getting closer. Juelve Marte got a good MRI.
When you start to look at how the major league
roster is assembled right now, Charlie, and you start to

(52:42):
get some guys healthy as well, who becomes maybe some
of the odd guys out at the major league level.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
When these guys get healthy, You know, I never like
to predict that stuff because by the time these guys
come ups can change drastically. Like Will Benson when he
got called up, was supposed to be a bench piece,
and then a couple guys got heart, and then Benson
got more of a shot, and then he started showing
some good signs and he's been a regular against the
right handed pitching ever since. That might not have happened

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if say you know elvee Marque didn't get hurt, which
led to some moving pieces. Some Lux moved into a
DH role and that opened up a spot for Benson
in the lineup. So all these things work together, Candelario,
they have to make a decision on by the end
of the week. I think, especially when you look at
the fact that he's been better against left handed pitching,

(53:28):
there's a role for that. And I think there's use
that he could have on the reds Now. He got
bench before he got hurt, but he was still a
platoon player, and honestly, more importantly maybe is can he
play third base. Let's see how he's moving, Let's see
how athletic key feels coming back from this injury. And
if he's a guy who can hit left handed pitching
and play first and third, well there's a place for

(53:48):
that on the roster in some role.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Let's talk about what this team has done, Charlie, because
they have certainly played themselves back into the sick of
things or a game and a half out in the
wild Card. They've won four consecutive series. They're playing better baseball.
They're also doing so against better competition. What they were
able to do in Detroit showing more resiliency. I've thought
in the last week or so, what do you attribute

(54:13):
this run of success and what feels like more confidence
out of the baseball team.

Speaker 7 (54:20):
Usually, when I look at a team that starts playing better,
it's pretty simple. It's a bunch of individuals started playing better.
But when you look at the fact that they weren't,
they weren't seemingly capable of coming back and grinding out
those wins early in the year, and then the change
and the difference that has been late. I keep going
back to a Brent Souter called one of the best
players only meetings he's ever been a part of. It

(54:42):
was after the Brewers series. They had just lost demoralizing
series to both the Cubs and Brewers. Right before the
Diamondbacks game that first game that suspended game, and they
talked about kind of changing their approach from an energy perspective.
They wanted everyone, as simple as it sounds, on the
top step of the dug out. They didn't want guys
on the iPads as much in the dugout, like studying

(55:03):
pictures and the stuff that they're about to be facing.
They wanted to encourage more face to face conversations from
a game planning perspective, and when you look at the
fact that the Reds have had that intangible quality like
you mentioned ever since that team meeting, I think there's
really something there. And another part of that as well,

(55:24):
as you've seen leaders on this team like Trevino and
Lux and Friedel and Stevenson, they've all become more vocal
as well in the dugout, exchanging words before at that
stuff like that, I think you truly haven't seen that
payoff for a team, for a Red team that's grinding
out wins, which they couldn't a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Togo, What do you make the approach at the plate.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I don't know if there's been a drastic change, but
it feels like situationally, they've been better in those situational
hitting standpoints. I think of what Will Benson was able
to do against Detroit. He battled, he was able to
put the ball to the outfield to get the run home,
and they were able to add more after that. But
it feels like their approach at the plate. Ellie seems

(56:04):
to have more discipline at times, Will Benson seems to
be battling, but as a team it feels like there
is more confidence in them at the plate. Is that
just kind of how things go and the spurts of
the season, or is there something fundamentally you've seen in
these at bats now.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
I don't think it'll be linear, like I don't think
the Reds offense will keep improving every week over the
course of the year. But I think what happened, what's
happened is is this, And I think the best way
to explain it is to use a football metaphor. Let's
say a new offensive coordinator comes in and all right,
you're still figuring out the scheme in week one, but
by the time you say, got the week six or
week eight, the it all makes sense. You understand the

(56:42):
why behind all of it. You've been in certain situations,
you understand the adjustments that you can make through the
new scheme and the new system you have, and you
start playing more confidently like that's I mean, you would
know better than I would. But that's a thing that
happens in a very obvious way in football, and with
the Reds you have seen a complete offensive for lack
of a better word, scheme change. When you look at

(57:05):
the best way I can describe this with David Bell's
approach was each at that looked at individually maximizing that
also just more power oriented in terms of the swing
decisions that maybe guys were making and they lived with
more strikeouts when you and really honestly to not much
of an emphasis on situational hitting. Use your at that

(57:27):
the best way that you can and believe that if
you get enough of those they will mathematically string together.
Versus this year there's been a much bigger emphasis on
using the entire field of taking what the picture of
the defense gives you, the situational hitting stuff. I think
there was time where hitters had to figure out what
it was like and how their approach should reflect the

(57:50):
quote unquote scheme change that the Red offensively have been
going through, which is again a massive evolution, was what
this coaching staff is brought to the table. So there
were times when they probably were a bit slower or
more unsure early in the year and now again it
won't stay strong and steady like this forever, but this
is what they're chasing. This is what made been working forward,

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and I think it makes a lot more sense to
the guys now two months into the scene.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
I know it's easy to pick at what Elie de
la Cruz does and how great he can be in
those meaningful situations, but he's not going to get the
recognition because we've already seen the early returns on All
Star voting and for whatever reason, he's not getting that.
But can you speak to just the value of what TJ.
Friedel is to this team as the lead off better

(58:37):
it's like this.

Speaker 7 (58:37):
Too, Like one of the more underdiscussed stories around baseball
this year is but like teams don't have center fielders anymore,
specifically two way center fielders. Like how many guys are
there who are center fielders who can hit and also
play defense? He got some, Yeah, but the list is
like somewhere between five to ten, and Friedel he's on
that list and he's definitely not eight, nine or ten.

(58:58):
Like it's just a position that's really difficult to find,
Like how many of those guys are there?

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Truly?

Speaker 7 (59:03):
It's just one of those spots in sports, like a
stretch five in the NBA. Everyone wants one, but can
you actually find one, or a center who can pass,
protect but also get downhill like Tyler linderbaum Er do
something like that, Like those kind of guys are just
not to call tg Freedaly unicorn, but he kind of is.

(59:26):
Because center fielders who went back the game on both
sides of the ball. Usually you have to live with
one or the other, and the rights don't have to
do that because they have freedom.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Uh you mentioned kind of where things are. You got
to see Chase Burns obviously Hunter Green. Do we know
at all any type of ballpark of how long this
team could be without Hunter Green at this point?

Speaker 7 (59:45):
Yeah, this one's been more close to the vest originally.
You know, the update was Hunter's going through his process
which was a part of the second Opinion program that
he went through and then went to Arizona where he
got some good work days in. But aside from that,
there hasn't been laid out or a view a specific
plan for Hunter coming back from that Grade one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Glorind strain when you look at if this team were
to have to look somewhere within the organization to fill
a starter or two and if it's not Chase Burns
at this point, you know, uh, and I'm not saying
you're going to take starts away from Nick martinezra Wade Miley,
but if it gets to a point where where you
need to find a start at some point, which direction

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do you think they would turn within the organization in
your opinion?

Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
And this is relevant when you look at the trade
deadline too, because the trade that we've all thought about
it like, all right, is there a young starter to
redskid deal for a young brightfield or who can mash
and on paper maybe, but then who's starting for the Reds?
You know, we talked about Burns and I'll say again, Burns,
it isn't fair to ask him to pitch seven innings
every fifth day with the turnaround and the expectation of

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a big league rotation in his first full big league season,
I'll be managed open course of the year. So while
we definitely could see could see Burns, it's not like
you can just you know, move market as to the
bullpen and just call up Chase Berns. It doesn't work
like that. Petty's looking better. I think we'll see Petty
pitching in the rotation later in the season. I think
would be more fair. He was still the youngest starter

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in the big leagues when he debuted, but the pitching
death in Terry Francona said this on the record not
great right now. They did something to where last Sunday
they claimed Brian van Bell, who had been called up
by the Red Sox and then dfade without pitching the game,
a former undrafted free agent, and to be honest, if
they needed a start right now, it might be Brian

(01:01:32):
van Bell. And what do they know about van Bell? Well,
they know that he's been a starter, they know that
he throws strikes, and they know that he stretched out. Frankly,
that was all they needed to see. He got to
fill that open spot they had on the forty nine roster.
So the fact that they made such a point to
claim van Bell, who, to be honest, I know nothing
about more than that, showed that they felt a pretty
glaring need for starting depths. And you know, again, I

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don't even know anything about him, but he's not the
answer for a number five starter spots. The pitching depth, too,
is something that I'm kind of concerned about and gives
more importance to guys like Martinez and Miley, who I
know haven't been pitching great or consistent or or any
of that. But still there is value in having them,
an assurance in having them in those spots.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Charlie lastly, on the Reds.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
In this time of the year, you always have the
conversation about the deadline approaching, and we saw what the
San Francisco Giants were able to do earlier in the week.
How do you how do you handle the conversation around
the deadline, because obviously you do want to get guys healthy.
You're working without Hunter Green right now, and Austin Hayes
and Marte and Candelario could be great additions to the team.
But for a team now that has put themselves right

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in the middle of a wild card race, how do
you view the trade deadline conversation.

Speaker 7 (01:02:48):
They're going to be looking for bats, especially, and I
think that it's something they recognize as an area they'd
like to improve on the roster. It was something they
were aggressive pursuing in the off season. It was something
they did pursue with Gavin Lucks. And that's a trade,
like we don't talk enough about that trade. The Reds
literally already have delta guys who's actually a top one
hundred prospect now in Mike Serota, plus a good draft

(01:03:10):
pick for a big league player. They're willing to make
that type of move. But one restriction with it is
Luck Lucks is on a cheaper deal as an arbitration guy.
So the Reds might not or obviously didn't have the
flexibility to go out and get Rafel Devers, but they
can find opportunities strategically to improve the rosters. Also, there
are farm system I like some of these guys a lot,

(01:03:31):
but it's not necessarily the deepest that we've seen it be,
so we'll probably have to work more in the margins here.
Some names that have just pulled up the spreadsheet in
front of me, and this is just speculative. The guys
who would really fit the Reds. I think outfielders Joe Adell,
Dane Meers, Taylor Ward. He's making a bit more money,
but he's got that power and more productivity. Alex calls

(01:03:52):
an under to rate our guy, Rob Retschneider, do you
try to buy low and al Alice Garcia into his
career around Tommy fam Maybe this team could use some
of that edge as well, And then I also wouldn't
will out. We talked about the starting rotation depth is
this team, especially if they have another injury, feel like
they just need data fith starter and it wouldn't be
a guy who would be a long term piece of

(01:04:14):
their rotation, but maybe just a guy who could you know,
Jacob Junis Way eat some innings down the stretch of
the season. They might have to look there as well.
Their bullpen and their bullpen depth is an area they
can trade for. They do have some higher up prospects,
that middle tier of prospects that they've dealt from in
the past, so I'll be interested to see which way

(01:04:35):
they go.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
I'm expecting though.

Speaker 7 (01:04:37):
Definitely pursuing and looking at at opportunities. And I know
that Nick Croll quote that's out there, but they're not
just waiting for this team to get healthy and expecting
that's going.

Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
To be enough.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Charlie, Before I let you go from a Bengals standpoint,
we heard from Jeremy Fowler on Sunday that Trey Hendrickson
and the Bengals are resuming talks between the two. How
do you view what what's happening right now with Hendrickson
and the Bengals and do you view this as a
positive step to get something done before training camp?

Speaker 7 (01:05:07):
You know what, I think a deal gets done. I
think a short term deal gets done. I think something
that is able to be viewed as a win on
Hendrickson's side, while not not handling him everything that you know,
he's not going to get the long term Max Crosby
style contract. But what Hendrickson got to do was when
he explored trades, get a real understanding for what his

(01:05:29):
market around.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
The league was.

Speaker 7 (01:05:31):
And I just don't believe that there are teams next
year that would be lined up to give Hendrickson a
forty year, one hundred million dollar contract or whatever with
significant guarantees in free agency. I don't believe that. I
think Hendrickson had the opportunity to learn that. And I
think what makes what would make sense even for Hendrickson

(01:05:52):
would signing a deal with a Bengals organization would be
signing a deal with an organization that does value him.
He wouldn't be getting everything he wanted, but he would
be getting some things he wanted if I had to
And again, if I what does Moeger say, if I
had to place an amount of money that mattered to me, Yeah,
That's where I'd lean And that's where I guess right now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Do you feel like if something gets done with Hendrickson,
that puts a little bit more faith in getting something
done with Jamar Stewart. Does that take away some of
the maybe firepower that Shamar Stewart's campaigns if you do
get the deal done with Hendrickson, or do you view
these as two separate entities.

Speaker 7 (01:06:27):
I'll say this so, I actually don't think something gets
done with Henderson imminently. Like what I have been told
is this is going to be a process. Like that's
kind of the message too that Henderson has been telling
his teammates like we're all expecting this and giving this
time because obviously deadlines are what strike deals. Stewart I
think is completely independent. Obviously that deal will get done.

(01:06:48):
You wonder how much this sour first impression will kind
of they'll just shape what expectations are from him and
where he stands kind of on the organizational depth chart
in the defensive endroom.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Net.

Speaker 7 (01:06:59):
I mean, you easily could just play oh Side over
Stewart to start the year, or play mal of Murphy
over Stewart to start the year. He will have to
earn playing time in the defensive end room that at
in cam sample has four guys who can play right now.
I think we'll have more to earn when he's back
on the field, but it'll get done. Everything's been hurt

(01:07:19):
by getting by getting to this word. It is obviously
problems on both sides, Bengals side and Stuart's side, but
ultimately that'll get done. And the only thing we'll remember
from this is that one the Bengals let another situation
get to this point and then Stewart criticized the organization.
So while that that baggage is still there, there's no
long term concerned to meet for these negotiations.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
How do you view the hierarchy in the AFC North
now that jay R Alexander is a Baltimore Raven and
you think about what they've done to a weakness of
their defense last year. They got Malachi Starks in the draft,
they had Cheetoh Woozy A. They have jay R Alexander.
They went and got Mike Green to help the pass
rush as well to help the secondary. Do you view
the Ravens as the leader in the AFC North right

(01:08:02):
now or is it still the Bengals?

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
I do, and still I mean, this was a Bengals
team that down for down was better every second they
were on the field with the Ravens this year and
then just beat themselves down the stretch. But I remember
the Thursday night game. I'm forgetting who got hurt, but
there was an adjustment that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Had to be made.

Speaker 7 (01:08:20):
They then put Merlin Humphrey in the slot, and then
obviously the Bengals were explosive down the sidelines all game.
They couldn't be stopped in that game. Humphrey was in
the slot, but they didn't have that other outside corner
to pick on or to cover, is what I'm trying
to say. And I remember Nate Wiggins was kind of

(01:08:41):
exposed when the Bengals played the Ravens Washington, that undersized guy,
he had some shaky moments, and then obviously obviously the
free safety Marcus Williams. But having that outside guy who
cover lets you play Humphrey in the slot more. I
don't think Humphrey is set up right now with what
we've seen to be at his best as a true
outside corner against Tea and against Chase, So having him

(01:09:05):
in the flot give them a real edge in that
match against the Bengals, and lets you play Kyle Hamilton
at free safety against the Bengals, which Marcus Williams costs
them nearly cost them both those games which goes a
long way. Having Hamilton in the free safety, so it
is a secondary now that's better set up to match
up against the Bengals. Now, the Bengals can still go

(01:09:26):
out and beat it, but I do think the Ravens
are the divisions favorites when you factor in that this
is in a lead offense.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Tove Charlie Game seven NBA Finals win and the title
is yours who you got on Sunday?

Speaker 7 (01:09:38):
How many times have we heard it in sports? You
grind through an injury, and you power through and you
lay it all out there. But then just that one
more recovery is where you see the impact. And that's
just what I'm worried about with Tyreek Caliburton right now,
coming back from the casts. Now, the energy and the
phrenetic nature that Indiana played with in Game six, I mean,

(01:10:00):
bottle that up and bring that with you because it
can take you a long way. But especially when you
factor in just how comfortable James and ched Holgrin Homegren
have been over the course of the series. When you
factor in Haliburton's injury and then some home shooting luck
that the thunder can benefit from at home, I am
still picking the thunder in Game seven. But man, what
a series that I'll remember for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I'm with you, Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
You got so much going on right now with Reds
and Bangles and so much more. What is the easiest
way for listeners to continue to follow along?

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
Charlie shockboard. You can find it on subsack on Fox nineteen.
Got an article up today about t J. Slayton. Yesterday,
my good friend Brian giezen Schwan I recorded a very
fun episode of our Reds podcast, Power Stacks. We broke
down the why of why Elie de la Cruz plays
every single day, and we heard about what Tony Santien's
nickname is, which I didn't know previously. Also recorded The

(01:10:55):
gold Standard yesterday with Joe Danam and our friend as well,
a break down show talking about the Reds and the deadline,
Reds prospects, talking about the Bengals and expectations and locker
room personality. So that was fun as well. Got a
lot going on, and I appreciate talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
You got all that going on, and you still make
time for us each and every Friday. It is genuinely appreciated. Charlie,
Thanks so much. Have a great weekend, you too, Tony.
There he is Charlie Goldsmith, always always gracious with his time.
We'll take a break when we come back. Your talkbacks next.
ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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It's Joe today, tasked with not only running the show today, uh,
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got some talkbacks to get to today.

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I know it's a hard time for him, and we
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Speaker 6 (01:13:01):
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Speaker 12 (01:13:07):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Hell yeah, go big Blue, go red legs. O day man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
I'm gonna be there in a couple of weeks, Craig,
I am. I have never been more jealous than I
was just during that talkback.

Speaker 13 (01:13:24):
Hello, this is former President Ronald Reagan and wail to
heck with that question about whether one gorilla can conquer
one hundred men. The present question I want to know
the answer to is how many high school basketball players
would it take to defeat a five man NBA team?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Ten fifteen?

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Is there a number high school versusn NBA team twenty
it'd be tough.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
I don't know, Toney.

Speaker 14 (01:13:58):
Maybe have a top appreciation party at your house. Invite
us over, fire up the grill, run in by mega death.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
See what she thinks.

Speaker 14 (01:14:09):
I like how Trump piggybacks off of Israel's military successes
claims them as his own.

Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
We get air superiority.

Speaker 14 (01:14:19):
We had Trump. Israel's doing all the work. You sound
like I do during a Beangals game. We're kicking.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
But now I'll think about the talk back appreciation not
at the house. Thank you. I'm tired, Tony?

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Are you tired?

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Everyone should rest this weekend. Have a nice, RESTful weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:14:40):
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you make, folks. It's normally a shot, but it's great
when you stirred over ice, Khalua, Bailey's butterscotch stops, Jaeger
and Goldschalager gold Chalagar is a cinnamon the quark. So
all together really nice, profreshion, Greek drink, great dad with dessert.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Who dai.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Getting the weekend started early? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Johnny?

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
Tony?

Speaker 15 (01:15:06):
Big cahoone offs the zero turn and just heard Jason
Richardson tell a story of Danny Fortson when he played
with the Warriors, he got into it with George McLeod
at two minutes into the game, and when he got
thrown out, forts and came to the bench and had
a razor blade in his sock, and I already knew
it was going to go down.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
That's what we need back and sense and how I'm
tired of these guys. Wes Miller. Bring in these soft
TikTok dancing guys.

Speaker 15 (01:15:27):
We need some John Wayne toilet paper guys, rough and
tough and don't take no crap off anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Get Miller out and bring Huggins back. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
I don't know. I love Bob Huggins. I'm giving Wes
Miller another year. Also, it's June.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
It's early.

Speaker 9 (01:15:44):
But if I was to guess the Bengals schedule right now,
looking at twelve and five, it's an optimistic view of it, honestly.
But there's an injury and I'm not tacking like a
Joe injury, like you know, a Logan Wilson injury or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
Put that at eleven six. That's how I look at it.
I think that's optimistic. Tony just spitball right now.

Speaker 5 (01:16:05):
Oh, gosh easy, Johnny, back to work, folks, have a
great weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
If I am, if I'm giving my June twentieth prediction
on the Bengals schedule, I have I have them losing
one of the two against Minnesota or Denver. I have
them losing at Green Bay. I have them losing one
of the two against Baltimore at Buffalo. I think four

(01:16:35):
or five losses for this team. I think thirteen and
four or twelve and five is kind of where I
start the conversation for the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Triple Bogadye.

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
The NBA Finals are knotted up at three wins a piece.

Speaker 16 (01:16:51):
Yes, can the Pacers get the quadruple Boghadie Sunday Night
at OKC.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Break them up?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
I think what makes Game seven on Sunday even better
is that you know that regardless of who wins, it's
just going to be someone new in the NBA. And
not that I don't enjoy the other teams that continuously win,
but to have someone new in the mix and what
Oklahoma City has done the whole year and this run
the Pacers has made, I think it makes for a
lot of genuine, genuine good conversations for the NBA.

Speaker 17 (01:17:25):
Should the Rev buyers, Yes, for the Redvy buyers. Now
we'll sit back and watch teams we're competing with for
a playoff spot get players to improve the roster for
next to nothing that would also improve our roster. And
then later on we'll hear about how the Reds kick
the tires on this person or showed interest in this person. Well,
you know what, I show interest in scarts your hands

(01:17:46):
and even Mendez, I took tires on them. That work
out well for me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
You know, I will I'll take Charlie for his word,
because Charlie did mention there that he believes they'll be
aggressive and try to make an acquis But the hard
part of it, and we use the term equity a
lot with sports teams and with organizations, and you know,
for years the Bengals had built up some of the
equity that you don't ask those same questions the Reds

(01:18:12):
have not.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yet.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
The Reds had an opportunity to do exactly what we're
asking them to do now a couple of years ago,
and they didn't, and they paid for it. They were
ten games over five hundred, they were first in the division.
They didn't make the playoffs, so you know, I think
for the Bengals now or the Reds now, I'm sorry.
More of it is you got to show me. You
don't want to hear if you're a Reds fan exactly

(01:18:34):
what they talked about there. Of well, they were close
with these players. They didn't get it done, but they
were in on them. You want to see something actually
get done for the Reds.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 18 (01:18:46):
Charlie Goldsmith, he is a word smith, all right. The way,
great to hear, Mike from LA. I think the league
should step in. Man, tell the Padres and Dodgers they
got to chill out for somebody gets hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Dangerous Ill said.

Speaker 18 (01:19:01):
Louisville lost in College World Series, had some local high
school kids. Don't be on both sides of the fence.
You're scrape, you're blanket in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
That is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
That's good advice. By the way, the College World Series
Game one, I believe it's tomorrow night. Coastal Carolina has
now won twenty six straight games in a row. LSU
the six ranked team in the country at forty six
and fifteen. It should be a fantastic final for the
College World Series as well.

Speaker 19 (01:19:34):
Hey all, talkback matters guy, Hi, sorry about the win.
You guys know I'm at looking airport. Sure listen, REDS Management.

Speaker 20 (01:19:43):
Please, somebody's listening. The marketing department. Somebody's listening. Please don't
do us like twenty twenty three. The guys are trying.
Please go out and get somebody else.

Speaker 19 (01:19:57):
We need a power hitter. We need a power hitters
here if we click our feet together.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
All right, go get a power hitter. Was that our
last one?

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
One?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
More? Okay?

Speaker 11 (01:20:17):
Tony yo, Yes, just the mailman out here in this
hot day with mother nature scorching all these.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
Hey, just call it in. Hopefully Reds can keep alling
or rolling.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
And as far as Trey Hendrix goes, come on and try.
Here's a baniel.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Let's go do it. Put the pen to the paper,
let's go.

Speaker 16 (01:20:42):
You guys have another best day ever, huts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
It is it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
It's interesting the conversation, and we hit on it there
at the end with Charlie Goldsmith, but the the Trey
hendrickson side, you know, I'm I'm so interested in one
how it ends and how quickly it ends, because the
idea of the two sides coming together now is fantastic.

(01:21:07):
The downfall of the two sides coming together now is
that if something doesn't get done, it sets you back
for quite a period of time. And you wonder, if
they don't get it done now, how long until they
get back to the table together. If they don't get
it done now, you've got to get this done in
this window between now and July twenty third. You show

(01:21:30):
up to training camp and you've got zero distractions, you
got all hands on deck. I'm assuming Schamar Stewart is
signed by then. But if you get the training camp
and you've got all hands on deck and you're the
Cincinnati Bengals, how can you not feel like you've got
an opportunity to go out and win a championship. I
think it's that close for the Bengals at this point.

(01:21:53):
If the Trey Hendrickson deal gets done, how long it
takes I think is a completely different conversation obviously, But
getting that done before the twenty third of July, I
think gives you all systems go to to go try
to win.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
The whole thing.

Speaker 8 (01:22:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
That is all of our talkbacks today.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
We will vote on a winner for this week's talkback
on Monday, so we'll give away a Cinty shirts gift
card on Monday. We'll give away one on Friday as
well when we come back a little more on the Reds,
a little more on the Bengals, and we'll set things
up to get to our guy, Tom Gallada for FC Cincinnati.
Starting at the top of our number three. This is
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Thanks for listening on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
A strong one. We're gonna have some fun tonight tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Welcome back Cincy three sixty thanks to CINTI Shirts. Really
really quick so we can get back on time here
and get one more break in in the hour. It
is time for our Postman Law. Injury report delivered by
Postman Law. If you're injured, Postman delivers here what we
got for the Cincinnati Reds. Hunter Green has headed to Goodyear, Arizona,

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where he's going to begin rehab and treatment. Graham Ashcraft
is on the fifteen day injured list right now for
the Cincinnati Reds. I believe the designation is a right
growing strain retroactive to June sixteenth. Obviously, that led the

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Reds to call up Luis May, who gave up a
run in an inning and a third Yesterday. Other REDS
Injury news, noav Marte received another good MRI, which means
that Terry Francona said noeav A Marte will begin a
rehab assignment starting tonight along with Austin and Hayes, who

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has resumed a running progression that started yesterday. That according
to Charlie Goldsmith, So that is your latest from a
Reds injury front. That is also the latest from today's
Postman Law injury report delivered by Postman Law. If you're injured,
call eight four to four Postman. We'll put a bow
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our good friends at Cincy Shirts for all that they
provide here for Sincy three to sixty. Real quick to
update today's Revivefitnesssystems dot Com poll question. We are we
are inching closer to the start of NFL training camp
that gets underway July twenty third. That is the first

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day of training camp here at ESPN fifteen thirty. We're
gonna have advanced advanced coverage of training camp. Will announce
more on that as we get closer, but it is
a different training camp this year. Camp practices are going
to be held from ten to noon instead of later
in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
But the players, they're.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Taking their trips right now, they're getting their final plans
together a little bit of a break before the grueling
NFL season. And my question today, with camp a little
over a month away for the Cincinnati Bengals, which position
group would you like to see them add to between
now and then? So far, fifty three percent of voters

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say that offensive line is the position group that needs
to be added to the most. I would take it
a step further and assuming that most of those that
voted offensive line are voting offensive guard, to boost that position,
twenty five percent say the secondaries or a corner or
a safety, and the remaining twenty two percent say defensive line,

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interior or edge rusher. Zero point zero percent say other.
So it's one of those three position groups or nothing
as it pertains to the Cincinnati Bengals. Now, speaking of
those position groups, Bleacher Reports Christopher Knox went through and

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talked about the best remaining free agent fits from a
National Football League standpoint, and Chris says that the Bengals
should also look to add more pieces to their defense,
specifically in the back seven. Cincinnati did nothing to improve
its corner room. They could use safety depth as well.
After departing with Von Bell and recently released linebacker and

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defensive captain Germaine Prout. They did draft Demetrius Night. He
is still, for what it's worth, unsigned, much like Shamar Stewart.
But the back seven of this defense is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Is interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
It is a corner room where at one point or
another last year, every single corner was benched, quite frankly,
for better purposes for the Cincinnati Bengals. It's also a
safety room that moves on from Bond Bell and also
ask Gino Stone to take a pay cut. So to

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those that say, hey, the twenty five percent of voters
that say it feels like the Cincinnati Bengals should look
to add into the secondary, well, Chris says that one
of those landing spots should be Justin Simmons. We've talked
a ton about Justin Simmons this offseason. Most of his

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career in Denver, he was an All Pro in Denver,
went to Atlanta, last year struggled a little bit. He's
thirty one years old. He still got plenty of gas
left in the tank. And for the Bengals, Chris says
at this point, signing Simmons would be about finding better
depth and an emergency option if Jordan Battle or Geno
Stone were to struggle. He does put out there that

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the team likes Tyson Anderson, they like Dejon Anthony, so
in a pitch, they also have Dax Hill with experience
in the safety. But if you're looking at players that
could still be added to a team that make a
lot of sense. That's what feels like a pretty good
avenue for the Cincinnati Bengals. It just to me, it

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just screams out a little bit of security. Like to me,
that's what I think. That's what I think the Bengals
need is security.

Speaker 16 (01:28:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
I think they could get a starter at guard between
now and the twenty third, but it's security on the
defensive side of the ball. Because if you're the Bengals
and you're thinking of a checklist between now and July two,
twenty third, get Shamar Stewart signed, that's obvious. Get Trey
Hendrickson signed. If you don't get him signed, get him traded,
do something with him, so it's not a distraction. Once

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camp starts, that's one two. But from there guard adding
help in the back seven, any of those things can
help this team. The continued conversation around the team has
been slow starts, and we don't know how much of
Jamar not practicing and Jamar the distraction went into the

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slow starts in previous years. But you have the opportunity.
Everyone on offense is ready to go, no one is
limited with injuries. You have out Golden, a new defensive
coordinator that needs to make the most of every single
training camp practice. I'm not one thousand percent saying that
if if you don't get Tray signed, it's going to

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lead to a slow start. But if you get the
signing done, then you're eliminating another reason for what could
be potentially slow start, because when you start against Cleveland
and Jacksonville, there there's no argument for a slow start.
You should win those first two games. You should be
sitting pretty you should be talking about going on the
road and making a legitimate statement at Minnesota and at Denver.

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And again, I'm not directly correlating slow starts to distractions,
but it was enough of a distraction that Joe Burrow
thought to say, yes, this is a distraction, and it
was enough of distraction. At least these two sides are
getting back together and having these conversations. So I think
that the term urgency, which we use a lot, I

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think that pertains to the Cincinnati Bengals and what they're
doing and handling Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart between now
and the twenty third. I think there needs to be
a legitimate sense of urgency, and I think it's fair
to say that urgency needs to be uptick because of
what another team in the AFC North just did. The
Baltimore Ravens Wednesday went out and signed Jaiyr Alexander for

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next to nothing, one year, four million with two more
million in incentives, a guy that when he's healthy, is
one of the best in the game. Baltimore Ravens looked
at what Joe Burrow did to the Baltimore Ravens and
I'll be at the Ravens won both games, but they
were torched in the secondary by Joe Burrow. So what

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have the Ravens done. They've used urgency and said, well,
let's just not wait and hope guys get better. Let's
bring in Shadobio Woozia, who's got experience against a lot
of these players in Cincinnati. You get Marlon Humphrey. Let's
go ed jaiyr Alexander. Let's draft Malachi Starks to pair
alongside of Kyle Hamilton. Let's go get a guy in

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Mike Green that maybe had a couple question marks, but
all things fired and he's gonna help get after the quarterback.
They have taken steps to make sure that they are
going to be better against the Pas and better in
the AFC North. And if you're the Bengals and you're
watching that, then you need to take note and understand that,
and you need to now act accordingly. And maybe that

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does make you want to work with a little bit
more urgency than before, because man, the Ravens are getting
it done. They're going to hit the ground running. The
goal is a super Bowl. The best path to a
super Bowl is home field advantage. You can't get home
field advantage if you don't even win the AFC North.
So those two things go hand in hand. You got

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to take care of your business. That's the opportunity the
Cincinnati Bengals have when we come back, an opportunity for
us to talk to the voice of FC Cincinnati. It
is Tom Gallairder. He will join us, followed by Bob Man,
Jean and Moore in our number three of SINCY three sixty.
Thanks to our friends at Cincy Shurtz. Thank you for
listening on the ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
It is the third and final hour of the Friday
edition of CINCY three sixty. Thanks to Penn Station, you
already know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
What time it is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Each and every Friday, we get to talk some FC
Cincinnati with the voice of the Orange and Blue. Tom
Gallader is joining us right now. Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, what's
going on?

Speaker 16 (01:33:14):
Tony, Tony, Tony, Happy Friday. Happy to be here, two o'clock.
No place I'd rather be, you said, here we go.
I think it's Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
I think I like that.

Speaker 16 (01:33:27):
I'm usually up in the booth, but I can hear
them down in the bailey when they're at home, which
is gonna be a while, and so they're back in bailey,
but we'll be patient.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Back and back in action on Wednesday, so so nothing
this weekend. So we get a chance, Tommy, to just
slow down for a little bit, take everything in. I'd
love to get that advice to maybe Shador Sanders right now,
the way he's been driving in the last month or so.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
And I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
I don't want to throw it at you because I
know you you're you're getting the jersey. I know you
might be getting the Shador Sanders jersey. But can we
just slow down, Tommy, can we slow down.

Speaker 16 (01:33:57):
In appreciate things, slow down the pay okay, and listening
to the birds chirp.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
A little bit. You know, no need to be driving
one hundred and one any of us. Yeah, we uh
in this yere out on a race course or something.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
We do what we do best, Tommy. When we get together.
Good results happened for FC Cincinnati. I mean, at this point,
it is well, I've missed, You've missed. Austin's tried to. Yeah,
Austin's tried to.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
Austin has has vacation days, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
He's he's out all he's all.

Speaker 6 (01:34:28):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
It's load management season, incredibly, and here we are working.

Speaker 16 (01:34:34):
Tommy, We are working, and we will stop the common
man is here, getting us through the Friday into the weekend.
We'll we'll have our beers later.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
We We talked last week about this New England squad.
They had not lost since FC Cincinnati had beaten them
on April fifteenth, five five wins, four draws, a team
playing very well, and FC Cincinnati had had some questions
because of the way they had played recently, especially on
the defensive side of the ball. What did it mean,
Tommy to go on the road to New England and

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not only get a win, but get a win in
the fashion that they did one nil.

Speaker 16 (01:35:08):
Yeah, I was telling somebody that this week, telling me
about just how impressed I was with the way the
defense stepped up, because Kevin and I talked about it
straight away off the top of broadcast.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
That was a big question mark was what would the
defense look like after.

Speaker 16 (01:35:21):
Those nine goals loud in the three games going into
the break and having a step up nine Miles Robinson
is still out on international duty and not going to
be back here real soon, and Nick Haglan's still out
an injury and not going to be back here real soon,
And so what it meant for that game was Lucas
Engel moving in to play at left center back. It
meant HILBERTA Flores getting another chance and starting at right

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center back, and I thought that both players stepped up.
You know what you're gonna get from Matt Miasga. He
had a big performance in that he was able to
stretch it out through the ninety minutes, which I thought
was important. Roman made a really big save I think
it was around the twenty fifth minute or so that
kept it nil nil, and I mean that's a massive
moment in the match because New England gets the lead.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Who knows what happens. Maybe we're talking about a.

Speaker 16 (01:36:01):
One one draw, but you know it's impossible to know
how the match plays out if the Revs get the
advantage on that that's shot in the first half an hour.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
So I love the defense did everything they're supposed to do.

Speaker 16 (01:36:12):
Ruman wasn't really tested after that, which is probably a
testament to the back line and the protection that they
gave him.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
But in the end, the defense did their job.

Speaker 16 (01:36:22):
I mean, there weren't as many clear cut opportunities in
front of goal attacking wise as Pat Newton probably would
have liked, but the one that counted is the one
that ended up being the game winning goal, and it
was a beautiful goal by Kevin Dinke and even more
lovely pass from Luca Orshano coming over from the left side.
So I think it was a very workmanlike performance and

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one that the team needed in a big way Defensively.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
You mentioned the effort. Is that something now that you
can build on and look to do from a game
in matchout or match in match out standpoint? Do you
got to continue to try to piece things together until
you get healthy. We'll talk about this team's aggressive pursuit
of adding players to the roster as well, But is
what happened in New England is that able to be
replicated for a I guess a consistent amount of time.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 16 (01:37:13):
I hope so, right, And I think that's the biggest question.
You don't know when Miles Robinson will be back. You
know that, you know Nick's rehab is not going to
be next week that he's back for these two road
games that are coming up, So I think you know
he needs to you know, the Hat's going to evaluate
it week by week and look at it. You know,
Teenager Davy did not start as he was just back

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from Zimbabwe on international duty, long flight back from Africa
to get back into the country, so they decided after
he played ninety minutes in that previous game to not
start him. But I think teenage will certainly be in
this mix. Obviously, we've seen some good performance from Herbert
to Florest the beginning of the year, and then his
performance is kind of dropped off, so he can get
his confidence back and play like he's capable of.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
I think that there's good options there.

Speaker 16 (01:37:55):
And then you have a guy like dukas Engel who's
not a natural center back but can move inside and
you can center back. You have dere Yedlin who can
do the same, Alvis Powell who can do the same.
So I think there's good options there, and it's gonna
be for this time being, which is going to probably
stretch to the middle of July or so without Miles
and Nick. That Pat's probably gonna evaluate it week by

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week and say.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
All right, Matt's starting most games, and who are going to.

Speaker 16 (01:38:20):
Be the guys who is left and right if it's
a three at the back formation.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
So I think it's definitely sustainable.

Speaker 16 (01:38:27):
It's gonna be a little trickier here this coming week
because you play Wednesday Saturday and Matt's still working his
way back from injury.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
Now he's ninety minutes fit. We saw that at New England.

Speaker 16 (01:38:36):
The big question would be if he starts and plays
the entire game or most of the game on Wednesday,
is he able then to turn it around and go
on Saturday. That's probably another step in his rehab in
trying to get ready. It's just the two games in
the week and not three and eight days as we
see in some circumstances with all the teams off this weekend.
But I think that that'll be a big thing to

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look at, you know, just from how this team comes along,
is if Matt has to miss a game while those
guys are out, it's a little bit trickier if you
can see such an important anchor there on the back line.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
When you look at the way the schedule does break up,
is there anything different in approaching when you do have
a weekend off and then you go Wednesday Saturday as
opposed to that normal. We will always talk about the
routine in sports. How much does that change for a
team that is they're getting some guys healthy. Obviously, guys
are away on break does this benefit FC Cincinnati the
way the schedule falls right now.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
I think a little bit.

Speaker 16 (01:39:33):
Yeah, in trying to get the team healthy and the
reports from training the past few days, or is that
the team, you know, aside from Nick who is obviously
injured and then Miles is on international team, is in
a really good spot as far as health is concerned.

Speaker 8 (01:39:44):
You.

Speaker 16 (01:39:44):
Yeah, Kubo is back in with the group, as with
Sergio Santos who missed the game at New England. You
know what's interesting is you don't often have a regular
build up. You know, five day build up is how
Pat looks at matches. So a normal Saturday game, the
training FOD begins on Tuesday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday as
you walk through, and Saturday, the.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
Fifth day is your match. You normally would not have
that for a Wednesday game.

Speaker 16 (01:40:09):
If you think about it, most of the time you're
coming off with Saturday match, whether you travel or not.
The team would be off on Sunday and then come
back in Monday, have their walk through on Tuesday, and
travel to this Montreal game, you know, for the match
on Wednesday. Instead, they gave them an extra day. I
think off through Tuesday after the match in New England

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and a little more time for everybody to hit reset Sunday,
Monday Tuesday. They brought them in Wednesday, Thursday for two
training sessions, gave them the day off today, and they'll
come in Saturday, Sunday, Monday Tuesday with their regular build up,
and then Wednesday will be the fifth day. So I
think that that's certainly an advantage in that regards with
with being office weekend, but it's the same thing for everybody.

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You know, all teams are off this weekend in the
international breaks, so you know it's not necessarily you know,
they have an advantage over their opponent who's playing this weekend.
But I think as a matter of keeping this team healthy,
getting them healthy and being prepared for Montreal, sure it's
a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
Montreal, obviously, I believe, is last in the Eastern Conference standings.
After Montreal, Orlando, who's having a pretty good season right now,
Chicago and then another matchup with Columbus. I try to
break the seasons down in different quadrants. Does this feel
like a quadrant to move if you're f C Cincinnati
to try to put some wins together and get yourself

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obviously playing your best before you get that return opportunity
against the Columbus Crew on the twelfth.

Speaker 16 (01:41:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think you certainly have to look
at it that way and hope that it is. I
think we talked about this last week, Tony, is that
you know, after this June swing of these three road games,
while the FIFA Club World Cup's going on in Teqo Stadium,
you're going to turn around and start to play at
Teqol Stadium quite a ditch the rest of the way,
which is obviously a massive advantage. You look at it,

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You went to New England, got to win. You have
nine maximum points in that three game road swing, and
now six more hangout there, and one of them is
against the worst team in the Eastern Conference. So I
think we all are smart enough. Though these games aren't
played on paper, so it's not a guarantee that you
go in there and get to win. But if you
go to Montreal and you get a win, all right,
now you have six of the nine maximum points, with
a tougher game at Orlando to wrap up the week,

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but opportunities there, and then you'll get Chicago at home
and they've kind of been all over the place this season.
They're sitting outside of the playoff picture right now at
twenty five points, you know, and that's back at Tiqul
Studium where your fans should be wound up mid midsummer,
you know, great weather, all that kind of stuff. So
I think that, yeah, there is an opportunity really to
gain some momentum going into that second part of Hell

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is Real coming up on July twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Tommy, this team, we mentioned all the time, this team
has no problem being aggressive in their pursuit of trying
to win. I saw the report earlier in the week
as it pertained to Thomas Mueller. When you think of that,
and it felt like, again with what Jeff Berding had
to say of you know, there is a there's a
legitimate offer that's out there. We would love for him

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to be a part of this Taylor twelvemen roll uh
weight in as well on on social media. But do
you see this being a possible fit if if Mueller
does decide to make that decision.

Speaker 16 (01:43:19):
I mean I could see it in a fit in
regards to the fact that f C and Sentiti will
pay the money needed to get a player of that caliber,
and obviously we have amazing German heritage here in the city.
There were some reports, and I don't know if they're
true or not, that that he has come to terms
with LAFC. I mean within the last hour or two. Sure,

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you know, I think I told you last week before.
Until Tom Bogert is putting it out there, you know,
I'm not really gonna believe it. But you know, there
were some reports that that he's made a decision to
go to LA and listen, when there's massive stars like that,
that's where Cincinnat's fighting uphill battle, right If they have
an opportunity to go to Miami, or they have an
opportuny to go to New York City, or they have
a go opportunity to go to La.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
You know, those are those are major destinations in the.

Speaker 16 (01:44:03):
United States that that guys you know from overseas may
see as you know, all right, is its Incantaia La. Well,
I'm gonna go to LA and sit on the beach
and be in Hollywood and the glamour and glitz of
l A. Well, guess what you're Sally, there's gonna go
not go quite as far, buddy, But you know that's
not That's not for me to decide but listen, the
club's gonna be ambitious and and chase players like that.

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So I don't think it's you know, a long shot
to believe that it was ever a possibility. And I
think until he does tign with somebody that that Chris
Albright and the ownership group here will continue to pursue
him and make their case that it could be great.
And obviously he played that whole game on Sunday at

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EQL Stadium. He saw the crowd. I was there, The
crowd was fantastic and it was a lot of fun.
So I think if nothing else, he understands how beautiful
the facility is. And you know, as these games roll through,
you know too down still two more to come with
with Dortmund coming into town tomorrow, or you know, these
world class players are seeing TQL Stadium and man, they

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can understand the pitch is beautiful, the facility is beautiful,
They've had a good experience here in the city, things
like that, and I think that that will be very beneficial.
You know, in the long term recruitment. That doesn't necessarily
mean you're getting players off of Dortmund or Byron Munich.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
Great if you are, but those.

Speaker 16 (01:45:22):
Guys talk they talk to their agents, they have friends
in the business, and you know, the word will get
out there, you know, amongst more people who maybe don't
know much about TQL Stadium and will help Chris Albright
in his recruitment.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
Uh, they did make a deal final, I'm not even
gonna try with the last name pronunciation end Or is
coming to FC Cincinnati. Is this something that helps the
team in your opinion immediately? Is it more of a project?
How do you factor in what he's gonna bring?

Speaker 16 (01:45:49):
Yeah, you know, I'll be interested to hear a little more,
including a pronunciation guy when the team, Thank you, Tommy,
I'm here with you, I mean at unique. Maybe I
like what I'm gonna go with the meantime enduring Tanique
may not be as it may not be as complicated
as we think. But he's a young twenty one year
old winger. Apparently he's had some success out of South America,

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you know, and we'll come on and be a player
who apparently can play wide. You know, where exactly does
he fit in the system as it is today or
will will be some type of suggestion that maybe the
system will change of the summer. I don't I don't
think so, but you know, I'll be excited to see
where he fits. I think a youngster with some speed
out wide certainly can help this team.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
You know, no matter what role they see him in.

Speaker 16 (01:46:36):
If that's an attacking situation, winger, you know, would they
play him at wing back?

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
I don't think so.

Speaker 16 (01:46:42):
I don't know, but yeah, he's right footed, you know,
potentially plays and gives him some more depth at the
right wing back, maybe where DeAndre Yedlin is als Powell
has been.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
But you know that you twenty two initiative that.

Speaker 16 (01:46:55):
MLS has where you can have players that are that
are under twenty two and came up to three of
them and it helps with the salary cap certainly is
coming into play here with bringing this player on, and
so I'm not surprised at all to see them go
for a young player, to see them bring in a
player from South America who has had some success this

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year seven goals, five assists in about sixteen hundred minutes.
So you know, the reports are that he's that he's quick,
a strong player, and you know, could score some goals,
and I think the club is excited about that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Tom Gallater, the voice of FC Cincinnati getting us caught
up to speed on all things FC Cincinnati. It's an
off weekend and then a trip to Montreal on Wednesday,
which means an off weekend for you, Tommy, how do
you plan on enjoying the off weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
That's a great question.

Speaker 16 (01:47:43):
Well, my grass probably needs to be mode at some
point after all this rain that we've seen this week,
so you know, before I get get a little yard
work in and I'm hoping this is to relax at
some point, maybe maybe go down and watch s Doortmann.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
For a little bit tomorrow they go to their day playing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
For for those and even for me, what what level
or what is happening at the stadium. It happened last weekend,
happening this weekend as well.

Speaker 16 (01:48:08):
Yeah, it's a FEATA Club World Cup, so via different
qualifying mechanisms, the top club teams in the world. So
you've dort Minden and Byron Munich in from Germany, a
you know, a semi professional team.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
In from New Zealand. I didn't go for the go
so well for.

Speaker 16 (01:48:26):
Them against Thomas Mueller and Byron Munich. But you know,
when you know Inter Miami's participating, you know, Sounders from MLS.
You have teams from all over the globe who are
participatating in this competition to be the best club team
in the world. The final will be at MetLife Stadium
in July out in New Jersey. And so they're in

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the group stage right now. So various teams are playing
their group stage games here in Cincinnati. And you know,
not surprisingly, two German teams were assigned games in the
Queen City. So it's been exciting to see some of
the players. An opportunity for people to come out and
see some world class talent play at t QOF Stadium.
And like I said, I wasn't there Wednesday, but I
was there. I was there a Sunday and it was

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awfully fun to watch Byron Munich. And you know, the
names you go up and down their roster, some some
pretty spectacular names on their team playing at TQL Stadium.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Also, am I supposed to be worried about the US
men's national team?

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
Oh? Man, don't you about man team? Coming on? Did
he already?

Speaker 7 (01:49:26):
Come on?

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
He's next? Right? You know what time we got.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
This, Tommy?

Speaker 16 (01:49:32):
Maybe a little bit okay, I mean I wouldn't say
I feel super great.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
I hate to say it.

Speaker 16 (01:49:37):
I thought at this point, a year out from the
World Cup, I feel better. I mean, the way the
Friendlies went was pretty awful. We'll see how Gold Cup goes.
Let's check in a couple weeks. Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 6 (01:49:47):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
That is Tom Gallander, the voice of FC Cincinnati. Tommy,
appreciate your time and enjoy the weekend ahead until you
got to get back out of next Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Yes, yes, I'm much chill.

Speaker 16 (01:49:56):
Hope to see you around and uh yeah, let's let's
keep on charge forward and get another win on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Love it, Love it, Tom galder Cee Cincinnati chairs Man,
have a great Weekendo. That is Tom Gallatter. This is
Sincy three sixty and Bob man Jean from the University
of Cincinnati and Novacare is hanging by to join us
next right here on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station
thanks to Penn Station. Welcome back, Simpton three sixty YPS

(01:50:29):
sixteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
Roll along the year our number three thanks to Penn Station.
A good time to catch up with our guy.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Bob man Jeans and the University of Cincinnati and Novacare
joining us right now.

Speaker 4 (01:50:40):
Hey, Bob what's up, Tony?

Speaker 7 (01:50:42):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (01:50:43):
Another day in paradise down here at U Sea Land.

Speaker 3 (01:50:46):
Another day in paradise for you? Another year older as well?
I know you had what your forty ninth birthday this
past week. Did everything with the birthday go?

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:50:55):
Yeah, only you're off by about twenty nine maybe thirty years.

Speaker 7 (01:51:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Well, then let's use today, Bob, to be able to
discuss athletes that are getting a little bit older. I'm
not talking about the professional athletes today, but maybe the
rec athletes play. I'm playing pickup basketball on some Sundays
or pickleball is a new craze right now. But I've
heard that the amount of injuries in pickleball is skyrocketing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
Why see an uptick in injuries on a sport where
maybe you don't have to move as much.

Speaker 6 (01:51:31):
Well, it's this time of year, Tony.

Speaker 8 (01:51:33):
You know, today's the first day of summer. It's gonna
be hotters heck, this weekend. People are going to get
out there playing tennis, pickleball, golf, softball. Older guys like
you play a little bit of basketball at the rec center.
So I mean, the bottom line is this time of year,
the number of injuries really start to rise in that
population over twenty five based on the fact that you know,

(01:51:57):
you don't have the time to take care of yourself
like you did when you were playing a high school
ball or college ball, because you've got a real job,
you got kids, you got a real life, and so
you don't have as much time to prepare. You don't
have as much time to take care of yourself after
you're done playing. And the biggest takeaway is that people need,

(01:52:17):
if they want to play, take the time to warm up,
make sure they're ready to do whatever activity is that
they desire to do. And as you said, pickleball is
a big thing, and we're seeing everything from achilles tended
tears to knee problems, maniscus tears, and the pickleball players
because a lot of these people just aren't in good
enough shape and they think, oh, it's easy, it's just

(01:52:40):
pickle ball, and they go out there and they start
at a high level and the next thing you know,
they've torn something or they have some sort of overuse injury.
So they really need to take a little bit of
time to get in shape and make sure they warm
up enough before they play any sport.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
That's the thing for me because I remember when I
was young getting to the University of Cincinnati, I felt
like I didn't need to warm up and I could
go out there and I could throw as much as
I want. And now I get to a stage if
I'm even toss I feel like I have to warm
up and lead into that. I'm guilty of it in
pickle ball because a lot of times I'll step on

(01:53:17):
the court and I'm like, well, I'm tall enough, i don't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Have to move much. I'll just start playing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
But the role of stretching to warm up, as you mentioned,
it has to be vital in eliminating the potential for
those high risk injuries instead of just showing up and
trying to go and perform.

Speaker 8 (01:53:34):
Right, I mean, the warm up safe is you know,
you know, take a little bit of a brisk opportunity
to walk around the court for a couple of minutes,
then get down and start stretching. Make sure whenever you
start playing that you warm up. You know, you don't
come out and try to drill a ball the very
first hit that you make. The same thing when you're golfing,

(01:53:55):
you know, you got to stretch before you golf make
sure you start with on the driving range, you know,
hitting some high irons, just taking some three quarter swings.
You're not going to get up there and then start
hitting your driver right.

Speaker 6 (01:54:07):
Out of the gate. You know.

Speaker 8 (01:54:09):
Same thing with tennis, you know you've got every one
of these sports requires some period of warm up, and
too many times people were rushed. Well, I only have
the court from one to one thirty or one thirty to.

Speaker 6 (01:54:21):
Two, and by god, I got to hit the court
and just start right.

Speaker 8 (01:54:25):
Away rather than getting there twenty minutes early. Making sure
you warm up and then go out and start your
play so that you.

Speaker 6 (01:54:33):
Know people you know.

Speaker 8 (01:54:34):
And when we get a little older, you know, we
don't take the time that we used to take when
we were younger. But also you hit and nail on
the head when you are sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, you can
just get out there and start, you know, light throwing
and then build up with that much stretching at all.
If you're sitting all day, these are the people I'm
really looking for. The people who sit in a chair

(01:54:57):
all day at work, People who you know aren't moving
much at work, and all of a sudden, now they're
going to go out and start.

Speaker 6 (01:55:04):
Trying to play.

Speaker 8 (01:55:05):
If you're sitting there all day, your low backs tight,
your hip flexures are tight, your hamstrings are tight. How
many people on this call today thought at least one
or two times a day to get out of their
chair and do a little stretching. And the postural makeup
of this country is god awful.

Speaker 7 (01:55:23):
We have.

Speaker 8 (01:55:23):
We might be the worst postural postural people in the
world because we sit, we look at these stupid computer
screens all day, or we do things when we're forward
all day, and then we want to go out and
play and then all of a sudden, why is my
back hurt? Or why did I tear my achilles tendon?

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Or why did I do this?

Speaker 6 (01:55:41):
Well, you know you're not as active.

Speaker 8 (01:55:43):
You hit PEAT flexibility somewhere around sixteen seventeen eighteen. You
generally hit peat's strength if you're just naturally developing somewhere
around twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, and unless you're
working on it, it starts to interior rate after those ages.
So what you can do at sixteen seventeen you're not

(01:56:05):
doing forty six fifty six years old. You got to stretch,
and if you don't take that time, it just increases
your risk of injury.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
And yet at the same time, when you're sixteen, seventeen eighteen,
when you're going into a practice like I was at
UC you're going through a twenty to thirty minute stretch period.
So you know it's vital then, which means it's even
more vital on the back end. Now, what about the
other side of it, Because if you think of peak sports, Bob,
we talk about warm up, we talk about performing, and
then we talk about the recovery aspect. For a lot

(01:56:36):
of folks, they get done playing tennis, they walk home,
they shower, and they move about their day. Or are
they they just kind of leave it where it is
and then pick it up again. What about the back end?
What about cooling down? What about using ice or heat
when need be? After you perform at any.

Speaker 8 (01:56:52):
Level, post activity is probably just as important as pre
vitendent helps you recover and obviously be hydrating correctly, you know,
don't run to the bar and start sucking down beers,
you know, I mean, that's not good. And one real
quick morning before we finish that is that this weekend
it's gonna be hot as heck. And if you're not

(01:57:13):
hydrating pre and post, you're gonna run the risk of dehydration,
starting to.

Speaker 6 (01:57:18):
Get heat, exhaustion, or god forbid heat from So this.

Speaker 8 (01:57:21):
Weekend I'm gonna warn everybody out there you better friggin
make sure that you're drinking. But back to what you
just come in and go online, get a phoam roller,
go to Dick Sports, get a phoam roller, get a
stretch band, and before you go to bed at night
or when you get home after activity, and then again
before you go to bed at night, stretch and roll,

(01:57:42):
and then the morning.

Speaker 6 (01:57:42):
When you get up.

Speaker 8 (01:57:43):
You will not feel as bad if you play late
in the day, like let's say you're gonna play tennis
at seven o'clock at night to eight o'clock.

Speaker 6 (01:57:51):
Come home, shower, go to bed.

Speaker 8 (01:57:53):
When you wake up in the morning, you're gonna feel
like tight as can be if you get home and
again do a good stre posts, do some foam rolling,
or go buy one of those spare guns. We have
a lot of guns, hyper rice guns where we do
the vibrating gun treatment. It's a good thing to do
pre activity, too, is using one of those hate guns

(01:58:17):
so that you know there's a lot of tools in
the tollbox. I mean you can go to Ditch, you
can go to Best Buy, you can go just by
anywhere today and they have all these you know, same
thing we have at the university. You know, the venoms
for your back, the venoms for your knee, the percussion guns,
and people need to utilize those things pre and post

(01:58:40):
and it really minimizes the risk of you getting injured.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
Bob Manjean from the University of Cincinnati, nolhacare important messaging.
With the temperature starting to rise, Bob, I know it's
just not a birthday day for you. I know you
celebrate the whole week, So enjoy the rest of your
birthday celebrations this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
We always appreciate your time, Tony.

Speaker 6 (01:58:59):
It's just going to be a golf weekend. We're on
our life the day and we're going we're going golfing. Baby, hidrate, Bob,
thank you. I always hydrate to bourbon.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Okay, Bob, I appreciate your time. Man, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:59:14):
I have a good weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
That is, Bob man Jean.

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(02:00:02):
Thanks to our friends at Penn Station. Thank you for
listening all afternoon along. Mike Petralia is going to be
next on The Moeger Show. He is filling in for
most or Treggs. We'll take the next three hours when
we wrap up at three o'clock. Still got some time
between now and then. Treggs will join us for quick
hits and in just a few moments to let us

(02:00:24):
know everything he's got coming up as it pertains to
our Revivefitnessystems dot com poll question for today, With Bengals
camp a little over a month away, which position group
would you like to see them add to between now
and then? Twenty three percent of you say the defensive line.
Is that position group, twenty five percent say secondary fifty

(02:00:45):
one percent still say that they are moving with the
offensive line. So you know, I look at I look
at that as one of for me the key questions
now going forward for the Bengals. They have done so
much to make sure that Joe Burrow is where he

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needs to be from a weapons standpoint, Jamar Chase T
Higgins obviously, both of those deals are done. Mike Gseki
is back for year two in the system at tight end.
There are raver views around the progression that Jermaine Burton
has made over the off season for the Cincinnati Bengals.

(02:01:29):
So you look at that, Yoshi Vash, you look at
what they've done at running back and Chase Brown, you
feel like this offense is literally at the point where
they are ready to take off to the next level.
So the one thing, the one thing that it feels like,

(02:01:51):
can put a damper and a hold into all of this,
the one thing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
Is the offensive line.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
I know that I feel good, much like I'm sure
you do with a Marius Mims and Orlando Brown junior.
And we had the conversation earlier in the week about
a lot of pressure around a Marius Mims and that
year two leap because there's a lot of film out
there now, they're going to attack weaknesses, they're going to
know the strengths. But I trust a Marius Mims takes
the leap. We know what Orlando Brown Junior is and
Ted Carris. Are we one thousand percent set that it's

(02:02:23):
Lucas Patrick, Cody Ford, Cordel Volson two of those three
at guard. That to me is the biggest question going
forward because we've talked all along the offseason about the defense,
and rightfully so, Shamar Stewart, Trey Hendrickson, the interior part

(02:02:44):
of the defensive line, the pass rush that was non
existing outside of Trey Hendrickson. We've talked about linebacker. And
you lose one of the top ten tacklers in the NFL,
and Jermaine Pratt and a team captain, and Sam Hubbard
is no longer here and you moved on from Von
Bell and there are questions that in the secondary, and
there are questions at linebacker, and yet you can get
around all of those questions because of number nine. That's

(02:03:09):
the general thought. New O line coach, new d line coach,
new defensive coordinator and Al golden new scheme, better development.
You can sell yourself on a lot. What you can't
sell yourself on is Joe Burrow missing a substantial amount
of time. And so that's my only question. Obviously, Shamar

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and Trey and their contracts are interesting going forward. But
what is even more I'm not gonna say secondary because
I don't want to put it off any longer. But
what is even more interesting to me is can you
go this next thirty thirty plus days until July twenty third.

(02:03:55):
Can you handle that time and not do anything else
at Guard? Because that's my biggest question, my biggest question
outside of can they get contracts done, of what is
actually assembled on this roster? Did you or have they

(02:04:18):
done enough at Guard to make you feel good? Because
one thing, and one thing only disrupts all of this,
And now it's if Joe Burrow gets injured. If Joe
Burrow can't play all seventeen regular season games, then it
doesn't matter the contract Burrow or Jamar Chason t hickinsigned.

(02:04:41):
It doesn't matter what you've done or not done on
the defensive side of the ball, And you just don't
want to look back at the end of it all
and say, well, they should have upgraded guard because it's
not a question of is there money available. There is,

(02:05:01):
there has been. There have also been players available. The
last thing you want to do is go back at
the end of all of this and say, should have
done more. There was an opportunity and we didn't take
that opportunity. That is what upends all of this because

(02:05:21):
regardless as long as Burrow is protected and the weapons
that they have, they're going to win football games and
they're going to be in the hunt. One thing separates that,
and that's why over fifty percent of the folks voted
today on that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
We got to take a break.

Speaker 3 (02:05:41):
When we come back, we're going to pass the baton.
Mike Petrellia is in for Mowager today. Trags is in
the building. He'll join us for Quick Hits next on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, a service of our
good friends at Penn Station.

Speaker 2 (02:05:56):
Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (02:05:57):
It is since e three sixty fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Thanks to our friends at Penn Station. UH this is
Quick Hits, which means, UH, we're gonna pass the baton
because coming up next, UH in for Mowegar on the
Moegar Show is our guy Trags. Mike Petralia is going
to handle everything starting at a I believe three oh
five this afternoon. But nice enough to join us right now?

Speaker 4 (02:06:19):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Tracks? Headphones?

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
Because I wasn't prepared?

Speaker 3 (02:06:23):
Well, you know that's a thing. You just sat down,
so you're you're rushing, uh looking down for today? You
don't have that Indian hill hat to weigh you down
at all.

Speaker 12 (02:06:30):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Let's let's start with this for the Mowaiger Show today.
What do you got coming up?

Speaker 6 (02:06:36):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:06:37):
Actually, lots of stuff.

Speaker 21 (02:06:38):
We're going to start with Dan Geesenslaw right off the
bat fan Duel Sports Network. Obviously you know him from
red Slive pre and postgame. Does a fabulous job there.
The Breds are a game back of the Saint Louis
Cardinals in the NL Central. And what do the Reds
have to do this weekend? Do they have to take
two or three? Do they have to take all three?

(02:07:00):
I mean, because there are fewer games in the division
now than because you're playing everybody in baseball, these games
take on added significance. I'd say two of three and
the Reds are being good shape. That means they leave
Saint Louis tied with the Cardinals. Then at three point
thirty five, we have Reagan Holtgate Fromay from Fox nineteen.

(02:07:24):
She is a newcomer to the show. She's going to
talk not only Cincinnati Bengals, but golf. She played some
golf at Michigan State. But you didn't know that, I
did not you do now. Then at four oh five,
we are going to talk with our own Dan Hord.
Guess what we're talking about, Tony. I mean, you could
go anywhere. Bear Cats Bengals. We are talking bear Cats

(02:07:46):
love as a matter of fact, because this morning, I
guess they had their first workout with some new faces
that their names will be very familiar to Bearcat fans.
So we're going to talk some bear Cats and what's
ahead for Dan this He's going to get some much
needed R and R coming up, I'm sure, as he
normally does in July. Then we'll look ahead to the Bengals.

(02:08:08):
I'm sure we'll talk some Bengals. Then at four thirty five,
he's become a regular on my program. Dustin de Peirak
of The Indie Star talking Game seven.

Speaker 2 (02:08:21):
No final words in sports than Game seven.

Speaker 21 (02:08:23):
There are no better words in sports things. Two words,
two most important words in sports game seven. So we'll
be doing that at four thirty five. Then my good
friend Alex Frank from CLNS Sincy five oh five as
mortgage board man.

Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
I like this.

Speaker 21 (02:08:39):
Yeah, so that's what's ahead on the program. Could it
be a little warmer in here by the way, man.

Speaker 3 (02:08:45):
It's the climate control of these studios throws me off
every time, whether it's hot, whether it's cold. I never
know how to dress when I'm coming in to work.
Sometimes I wear sweatshirts and I take about three layers off.

Speaker 9 (02:08:57):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:08:58):
It's different.

Speaker 21 (02:08:58):
You know what's in this Villanova National Championship twenty sixty
onbably not a hot coffee. It's a hot chocolate.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (02:09:05):
You know why because psychologically, when you have something hot,
you're supposed to feel cooler.

Speaker 2 (02:09:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (02:09:12):
It's not working right, it's not working yet, No, but
it will, it will. I got to give it some time.
How's your weekend looking?

Speaker 4 (02:09:18):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (02:09:19):
Uh, we're looking for the weekend. I want to ask
you because I put this for a pole question today
on our Revivefitnessystems dot com Pole question. I asked the
question if the Bangals between now and July twenty third,
could make a upgrade at any current position, no brainer,
Which position do you upgrade? And fifty two percent of

(02:09:41):
the voters say oh line, twenty three percent D line,
another twenty six say secondary safety safety Justin Simmons. Yeah,
it feels like that's where everyone points. And it's almost
like the pop question, why isn't it done?

Speaker 21 (02:09:56):
And I'm not trying to denigrate the guys that are there, Okay,
Geno Stone and Jordan Battle.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
Yeah, what happens, and it always happens.

Speaker 21 (02:10:07):
One of those guys goes down with injury or is
unavailable for a game or two. Then you're relying on
Tyson Anderson, Dejon Anthony and if you listen to Dax Hill, PJ.
Jewles has a chance to step up and get some snaps.
And who knows. That's what training camp's for, right it is.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
It's so unique, But I keep going back because until
you get to training camp, it's one thing to look
at players during workouts. You know, I view one thing
as disrupting this whole thing. Right, there are questions about defense.
You got to get Shamar sign, you got to get
Trey signed. You'd like to do both of those before
camp gets here to avoid distractions. But even with that,

(02:10:48):
you're still going to go into the season with some
questions on defense until you really get into the heart
of it to know what you have with a new
scheme and a new system. And while you have all
these new toys and another year Gasiki in another year
at Chase Brown and Jermaine Burton has flashed and Yoshi
Vasha's flash, and Higgins and Chase are both under contract,
there's one thing that ends all of that, and n'ts

(02:11:10):
if Joe Burrow misses any substantial amount of time during
the season. I just don't know if I sit here
on June twentieth and think Cody Ford, Lucas Patrick, Cordell Volson,
two of those three is the answer to make sure
you're protected Because there have been guys we mentioned the
name justin Simmons. There have been guys all off season

(02:11:30):
that you think, well, that name would fit at guard,
and there's not as many of those out there now.
But I think the decision I'm wrestling with if I'm
the front office, have I made sure to do everything
possible to make sure number nine plays all seventeen?

Speaker 2 (02:11:42):
I think they feel they have. Yeah, they look.

Speaker 21 (02:11:46):
I think they think Dylann Fairchild is going to be
a starter right out of the shoot. I think they also,
I know they believe Scott Peters is going to have
a difference in terms of the style that's played then
in the martial arts that he's known for and using
that technique. I think they believe, okay, and that's all

(02:12:08):
that matters. They believe that they have the bodies, the
depth there to have a good competition in training camp
and in the preseason, and then to have that competition
yield two starters that they can rely on.

Speaker 2 (02:12:25):
We'll see, but that's where they feel they are right now.

Speaker 3 (02:12:29):
How much better because you get to have more of
a gauge when you do a talk show in the
afternoon and you get to take callers, you can kind
of get a gauge of a buzz and a feel
around the city. And it always amazes me. And we've
seen it with the Bengals. I saw it personally with
the Bearcats, and now you're seeing it with the Reds.
It's a city that's thirsty to support winning. Yes, and

(02:12:49):
while the Reds aren't there yet, they are a game
and a half out of the wild card, They've won
four straight series. Can you feel a buzz around the
team around the ballpark? And again, I still think the
red have work to be done, but just being relevant
and just being in the mix, you really get the
sense and the feel of what a sports city it

(02:13:09):
is that we live in because I think with the Reds,
I noticed it on Tuesday night when there was what
twenty six thousand showing up for a random non giveaway
night at Great American Ballpark, and I took note of that,
and like, I think the fans, not only the you know,
the cold hard fans, the diehards, thank you, the diehards

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are behind this team, but I think that the rest
of the city is starting to pay attention to what
Terry Francona's expectations are for this team, and given his background,
his resume, I think that matters.

Speaker 2 (02:13:46):
It feels like he's got a better feel of the
team right now too.

Speaker 21 (02:13:49):
And I don't know how many besides the diehards know this,
but his track record is in April they're a five
hundred team. Maybe in May they show some slight improvement,
but it still makes a lot of the same mistakes
by mid June you start to see the potential, and
then by July and August they start to really take off.

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And then they make their run in those months going
into September, and if they're a playoff team, that run
lasts into September.

Speaker 2 (02:14:18):
Also feels like a team that is looking or could
be looking to add.

Speaker 21 (02:14:24):
Okay here when people ask me that question, you need
a corner outfielders, slash possibly third basemen with some pop,
and you need another arm in the bullpen.

Speaker 2 (02:14:37):
I think the bullpen's okay right now.

Speaker 21 (02:14:39):
I think it's competitive, But if you want it to
be highly competitive and face the likes of the Dodgers
and the Mets and the Cubs, we saw what they
do late in games offensively, you've got to get another
arm in the bullpen.

Speaker 2 (02:14:53):
You absolutely have to.

Speaker 3 (02:14:54):
Yep, it feels again because Charlie Goldsmith went down to
Louisville this week, following along with Chase Burns. Yeah, and
my my question, yeah, my question for the Reds. You
do need to make an addition. It can't just be well,
Austin Hayesen, Noeve Marty are gonna get healthy. You need
to add more than that. What I think is going
to be interesting is you have a guy in Chase

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Burns who's impressed at every level. If you get two
more starts from Nick Martinez like we saw yesterday, does
it go to the bullpen? Or if you get you know,
Wade Miley and this run falls apart. Is Chase Burns
the next guy you go to if you're the Reds,
or are you pulling the Connor Phillips, Carson Spires Go

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Chase Petty again, because I think that's fascinating. If you're
Nick Crawl, when do you pull the trigger and say, yes,
let's get the guy here.

Speaker 2 (02:15:45):
Okay?

Speaker 21 (02:15:46):
I think they're in win now mode. I think of
the uncertainty regarding baseball after twenty twenty six is significant, Chuck,
very significant, and I think no one talking about it much.
No and I but the Reds and side internally when
they're talking about making moves like this Tony, they're very
aware of it.

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
And I think with that in mind, they're.

Speaker 21 (02:16:07):
Like, Okay, screw it, we got to go now, let's
put our best picture up there. We know he's not
going to be overwhelmed by the situation. The only way
you would not do it is if you brought the
guy up and you thought he would be damaged if
he had one or two bad starts from what I've heard,
and that's what Charlie's going to Louisville about, to try
and find out more about his character, make up what

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others see in Chase Burns. If they feel he can
handle it, then bring them up. Rhet Louder to me
is an X factor. I would love to see him healthy,
the ret Louder of last year when he was healthy. Yep,
along with Chase Burns in this on this pitching staff
would make a lot of noise, a lot of good
noise for the Reds if that were the case. But

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I don't think they're going to be able to rely
on reht Louder the rest of the year because of
the type of injury he has.

Speaker 3 (02:16:57):
Lastly, before I pass it off to you here for
the next three hours. We are ten days away from
a stadium lease agreement or disagreement here in Cincinnati, and
it feels like these two sides are differing in a
couple of major categories. What do you believe ultimately ends
up happening over the next ten days.

Speaker 21 (02:17:18):
I'm going to go with Aukham's razor and that's the
most likely possibility, and that is A. It comes down
to the wire, and B. The easiest solution is kick
it down, then kick the can down the road two years.
I think they sign a two year lease extension and
then continue negotiations somewhere down the road. That's what I

(02:17:39):
think is going to happen. But we'll see beautiful. Thanks
for stopping by. Enjoy the next three hours. Do I
get paid extra for this, by the way, No, No,
this is just built into the contract. You can't get
me a sweet looking Carolina Panthers hat like that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:52):
This one that is a you're.

Speaker 3 (02:17:54):
Talking about some dust on the bottle. There was some
dust on this baby when I pulled it out today.
My head has grown since then, or maybe my head
it's a little tighter to get on. I have about
this is no joke. About four hundred hats at home, Yeah, yeah,
I have. I have probably eighty, and my wife wishes
I had about seventy eight. Last Debbie's very much encouraging me.
She she didn't care about the hats itself. It's where

(02:18:15):
the hats end up laying. Say that again, it's where
they lay. Yeah, sometimes they get left out in different
areas of the house. I need a universal place to
put on my hats, and I think the missus would
be happier. Mine is my office. Yeah, well, enjoy the
next three hours. Thanks for stopping by.

Speaker 6 (02:18:31):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (02:18:31):
Petralia is next on the Mowaiger Show. Plenty of guests
still to come on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.
We're done thanks to our callers, listeners, talkbackers, and sponsors
our guest. Have a great rest of your Friday, have
a great weekend. We'll do it again next week.