Monday Midday Quarterback -- 10/28/24

Tony and Austin breakdown the football weekend, which saw losses by both the Bengals and Bearcats.

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All Right, good afternoon, Happy Monday. Welcome into the Monday
midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station, a
service of Skyline Chili. A day and a weekend that
we would like to soon forget as Cincinnati sports fans.
Let's face it, things are bleak, things are dark. We

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need to find a way forward today, and sometimes forward
means going through the mud. We're going to go through
the mud today of what was an ugly performance yesterday
for the Cincinnati Bengals, falling to oh and four at
pay Course Stadium. This season, it was a game it

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felt like they quit late in the game. It was
a game that obviously unraveled as it went on, But
at the root of it all is a game that
felt like was right there for the taking for the
Cincinnati Bengals. The way they started the game, taking the
ten ten game into halftime feeling like they had pretty
much dominated and then the defense not being able to
get stops, questionable play calls in the second half going

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forward results in a thirty seven to seventeen loss for
the Cincinnati Bengals. They dropped to three and five with
an opportunity yesterday to get back to five hundred. The
Raiders coming in felt like things were trending in the
right direction, felt like the defense had improved. In turn,
the defense was probably just a product of playing against

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the Giants and playing against the Cleveland Browns on back
to back weeks. The offense, which had sputtered against the
Giants and against the Browns, started fantastic, which we've seen
as a calling card before with a Zach Taylor coach team.
The initial drive or two drives is fantastic, and then

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when the adjustments are made, there's just not enough counter
adjustments in game decision making, mistackles on the defensive side
of the ball, the inability to run on offense, and
the inability to stop the run on the defensive side
of the ball yesterday, the inability to get after a
passer who was being protected by multiple back up offensive linemen.

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One of those offensive linemen, including Fred Johnson, I would
say handled Trey Hendrickson. There is a laundry list of
problems that have come from yesterday's game that we have
to sort through today, A laundry list of problems that

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now push and look forward to how that impacts the
rest of the season. Guys are saying right things, but
do they actually mean them. We'll play some Joe Burrow
audio today, We'll play some Zach Taylor audio and try
to sort through everything that happened yesterday at pay Court Stadium.
As you can hear, I'm not all the way there
yet on my voice. A couple hours here and three

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more hours at twin peak should really prime me going forward,
but we're gonna push through. Austin is here. Hi, Tony,
Hi Austin. How are you.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I'm good man, How are you?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
I'm great? Yeah, I'm great. I got some rest last night.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Attempting to get the voice back. It was not a
great trip to Colorado. Bearcats come up short, Bearcats awful
going into the half again with the game right there
in the balance. We'll talk about the Bearcats, We'll talk
about the full college football weekend that saw Austin, your
Ohio State Buckeyes struggle with Nebraska. But they did something
that none of the other teams around here can do,

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and that's find a way to win. So talk about improving,
could talk about what needs to be done. It's easier
to talk about those things when you talk about them
after a win than you do after a loss. We
talk about the college football weekend, We'll talk more about
the NFL weekend. I believe we have FC Cincinnati playoffs tonight.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
That's right, playoff match number one in a best of
three series against NYCFC tonight at TQL Stadium.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Okay, so we got that. At least, maybe f C
Cincinnati won't let him down, let the city down. What
I observed yesterday Austin, And we'll dive into the game itself.
You were at the game, I am viewing the game
on TV, and then I'm viewing the game on social media,
which is a dangerous place after a loss. What is

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your takeaway right now from a fan base here in Cincinnati,
because it feels like a fan base that has reached
a tipping point with what's going on with this team.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I think I hear two things. Number One, everybody
wants to fire Zach Taylor, and number two, for the
first time that I can ever remember. There's a lot
of heat from the fan base on Duketobin, and I
believe that that's who it should be on more than
anybody else. It to me starts at the top, at

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the very top, at the very top, with Mike Brown,
and then Katie and Troy and down. And you know,
I was struck by something that Paul Danner Junior wrote
last week in The Athletic, and it was kind of
in my mind as we went into this game against
the Eagles on Sunday, and in an attempt to give
your voice some rest on, I'm gonna read this for

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a moment, please, he says. Halloween, though best, hits the
theme of the season. By the time the kids return
home from their night spent masquerading as Superman, Joe Burrow,
Cinderella or Taylor Swift, and the uneaten candy overflows a
bowl on the highest shelf in the kitchen, the season
of pretending is over. No more masks, costumes or creepy

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lights meant to make your suburban cottage look like an
evil layer. By the time Halloween passes, NFL teams are
generally exposed for who they really are. Leap years from
young players either happened or they didn't. Offenses that required
tinkering in September either fixed it or proved flawed. Paul

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Danner Junior from the Athletic and that was kind of
my mindset going into that game on Sunday, and I
think most people would say, you feel better about the
offense than you did over the last two weeks. But again,
when they needed it the most, they did stupid stuff,
and the finger points at Zach Taylor more than anybody

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else on that third down and fourth down sequence that
essentially cost them the game. But on the flip side
of it, they faced the best offense they've faced in
the last three weeks and they did whatever they wanted
to do against the Bengals defense. Trey Hendrickson was a
complete no show, as was everybody else on the defense.

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Ghost a ghost, and there's not enough goblins on that defense.
I'll tell you that much. I was scared by what
I saw from Cam Taylor, Britt and DJ Turner. It
was just a horrible performance from that defense. And to
me to kind of round out the point here and

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get back to it, I understand the frustration with Zach
because in a way it feels like Zach lost them
the game, and I would even accept that as your
takeaway from the game. But when you look at who
they really are from the beginning, this team has been flawed,

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not a team good enough to win a championship. And
when you play teams like Philadelphia, it becomes a lot
clearer who they are. And they defensively don't have what
it takes and there are spots all over this roster
that need help and for that, and I look at that,
and I blame Duke Tobin and the personnel staff for

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this being a dud of a season because the guys
that they have spent premium draft capital on and a
lot of money on have not panned out. And that's
an issue for this That's the.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Part for me. It's not like they haven't tried to
address the defense with draft picks and high draft picks.
They did, So I'm with you in that sense that
Duke Tobin and whoever else is in charge of that
front office has failed this team and the coaching staff
the drafting has not been good enough. And at the

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top of that, Austin, say what you want about why
they did it. They moved on from Jesse Bates, they
moved on from DJ Reader, they moved on from Joe Mixon,
And say what you want about Joe Mixon in this system,
Joe Mixon was good for this Bengals locker room, and
this Bengals locker room I still attest does not have
the same swagger or confidence or looseness that you saw

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when Joe Mixon was here. They made decisions to move
on from those players. They didn't identify the major flaw
that was lack of pass rush. They spent They spent
top draft picks in the secondary Austin. Remember they spent

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a second round pick on Jackson Carmen. Yeah, Jordan Battle
can't play it. Spent a first round pick on Miles Murphy.
It's been unbelievable. And here's the problem for the front office.
Because I'm gonna get to Zach Taylor. Here's the problem
for the front office. Where's the money gonna come from?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Now?

Speaker 4 (12:52):
You already missed out. You didn't pay Jamar Chase when
you probably could have got him on a little bit
more of a team friendly deal. That number will go up.
You're not gonna t Higgins Burrows cap hits is going
to start to arrive. That's gonna hurt roster construction. This
front office and Duke Tobin have failed. They have failed

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the team, and they have failed the coaching staff. And
you could say, and Austin, we talked about this before
the show. It felt and feels like they did hit
on some players in this draft class. Are we gonna
say Evan McPherson still a hit major? Question marks with
Evan McPherson man major. I mean, that's gonna be a

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segment in itself today. Now, Zach Taylor, the team again
started zero to three, and say what you want about
win this offense. And I take the points that you
made last week as well, Austin. But for the time
that I've seen Zach Taylor as the play caller, I
would say that the play calling is inconsistent, sometimes good,

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sometimes bad. I read an article earlier by Chris Rowling
who talked about Zach Taylor's play calling sometimes too conservative,
sometimes oddly aggressive, and finding some success with concepts that
disappear through large chunks of the game. It happened in

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the Super Bowl, It's happened multiple times since the underwriting cause.
For me, my thoughts on Zach Taylor has always been
good coach, bad play caller. The Super Bowl helped build
him a lot of equity. But on the defensive side

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of the ball, he's got a defensive unit led by
lou An Aroma that's going to be one of the
worst in the NFL again. And the offense just isn't consistent.
And we talked about David Bell a lot talked about
David Bell, and well, you know, is it really David

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Bell's problem that the team is bad on the base pass?
Is it really David Bell's problem that the team just
makes those dumb decisions. This team misses a bunch of tackles,
They stink in the running game, they can't stop the run,
they can't get after the passer. I would say that
the play calling is basic. I would say that at

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many times, the play calling is predictable, and this team's
this team under Zach Taylor seems to make their mistakes
at the worst possible times. With all of those things together,
you can't call them a well coached team that falls
on Zach Taylor the same way it fell on David Bell.

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And I agree. I saw the video you put out
earlier today Austin about maybe the play design was there,
but the personnel prohibited it from happening. Maybe, but Zach
Taylor's in charge of putting that personnel out there. Zach
Taylor's in charge of putting that together. Zach Taylor is
in charge of those protection calls. And yes, Joe Burrow
plays a hand in it. But as the head coach,

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you're looked at just as we praised Zach Taylor when
this team made the Super Bowl. And we'll get into
x as and o's and we'll talk about the offense
in particular, we'll talk about the defense in particular. Sorry,
my biggest concern right now is wasting the prime the

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prime careers of where Joe Burrow is and where Jamar
Chase is and where Trey Hendrickson is just waiting around
to say, oh, they'll figure it out eventually, does not work.
The super Bowl window, that's what we talked. The super
Bowl window was supposed to be this year, and when
you just put that off to another year, that's another
year older, that's another year in the league. The wear

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and tear is the same questions all about t Higgins
not being able to go again, and what this offense
can look like. Going forward without T Higgins. There's a
lot there. But when there are so many different factors
going into why this team is three and five, the
head coach takes the brunt of that.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, And I think, you know, looking around the league,
I see a guy like a Dan Campbell, and I
think of the identity that the Detroit Lions have, it
is very obvious. They are aggressive, they are physical, they
want to break your will, they want to run the football.

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They have an attitude about them. I think even to
an extent, San Francisco has that even though they've been
banged up, there's.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
An anti They had a fifth string running back dominating last.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Year, right, you know, those sorts of teams, those types
of coaches. There's something about that identity that I wish
the Bengals had that I don't really know that they
do have. And I think I'm not ready to sit
here and be like, Okay, the window is closed and
it's over, because it's amazing. No matter how upset you

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might feel after the game or where this team is at,
you're still met with hope because Joe Burrow is the quarterback.
And for the first time, I found myself doubting because
I truly thought Burrow was enough to kind of drag
people along with them. Me too, but I'm not sure

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if he is. And by people I mean Duke Tobin
and Zach Taylor and Mike Brown and Katie Blackburn and
Troy Blackburn. And we see all the stuff that they
do on the exterior, and that's great and that deserves
to be praised, but none of that matters if you
don't win. And I felt like Joe was enough to

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move the needle. And maybe I'm naive for thinking that
and believing that with time there's been some change, and
I do think there has been, but looking at the
way that they are building this team and have built
this team, I don't know that it's enough. And that
is a tough reality to live with and kind of

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sit with for a little while because you don't really
trust them to make the right decisions. You outlined how
many times they've made the wrong decision, and you know,
Jesse Bates sticks out like a sore.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Thumb right now, gosh.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Right, So you don't really trust them to make the
right decisions anymore. And it makes you wonder, Okay, is
this really going to end up where they are wasting
the prime careers of these players. Is Joe Burrow going
to be Drew Brees who sets a bunch of passing
records and wins one title and maybe never even you know,
is that? Or maybe he's Dan Marino and never gets

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back to the super Bowl. Yeah, like that's that's a
legitimate fear. I talked last week with Willie Cunningham. He said,
you know Ken Anderson went to the Super Bowler said, no,
he'll go back. Boomero will go back to the super Bowl.
It's not easy to go to the super Bowl. It's
not easy, and you have to you have to rely
more on just Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase are gonna
carry us there. There are coaching advantages, man, all over

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the NFL. The Rams have a coaching advantage. The Vikings
have a coaching advantage, Say what you want. The Pittsburgh
Steelers have a coaching advantage when they take the field.
You're telling me that right now, the hottest team in
football Austin going into this weekend was the Baltimore Ravens.
And you're telling me that Kevin Stefanski can get together
a team not led by Jamis Winston and beat that

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Ravens team. The Lions hung fifty two.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Points on the board, fifty two points in a game
where Jared golf through for eighty five yards. Coaching matters
Mount Lafloor with I know we've praised Mount Lafloor. Austin
Malik Willis came into the game yesterday and let a touch,

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Let a drive to beat the Jacksonville Wires.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Let it drive.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
The Texans find a way, The Chargers find a way
the Bills. The Broncos under Sean Payton are now five
and three with the rookie quarterback. The Chiefs and Patrick
Mahomes playing at a pedestrian level, are seven to zero.
The Commanders are six and two. The Niners used a
fifth string running back last night who dominated the Dallas Cowboys.

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It happens all across the National Football League, and yet
it doesn't happen here in Cincinnati. Give me the last
time that you can legitimately say Joe Burrow was awful.
Jamar Chase wasn't good. The Bengals out coached their opponent.

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It's always Burrow had to be great, Chase has to
be greater. The defense dominated the Giants. The defense dominated
to Shaun Watson. I can't find those games, and that's
a struggle. Let's start with the offensive side of the ball.
When we get back, we'll also start with your phone calls.
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Welcome back since e three sixty, the Monday Midday Quarterback
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We'll parlay this into the Tony and Mo Football Show
from Twin Peaks in Westchester later this afternoon, and we'll
dive more into this Bengals loss. I'll get a couple

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of calls here in just a couple of minutes. Five on, three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. Let's start with the offensive side of the ball. Austin.
You sent us that yesterday. We have a group chat
between you, me and Maurice Ager, and I will admit,
in watching the game yesterday, I was not all there.

(23:04):
You know, a lack of sleep had set in, the
couch was comfy. You sent the stat yesterday the third
down percentages for the Cincinnati Bengals, the ability to convert
ten out of thirteen third downs and still lose the
football game. You didn't punt, You lost by twenty points,

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and at the end of the day you only had
seventeen points on the scoreboard. That also includes Austin a
seventeen play drive that took ten minutes off the clock
to start the game. I mean, what else could you
have wonted? Because the offense goes down and they score
in seventeen plays, and then the defense gives up a

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ten play drive and the next thing you know, the
Bengals go down for eleven more plays. So they found
the rhythm, and you thought, man, I don't know if
Philly's going to be able to stop the Bengals. Now
plays breakdown players miss assignments, guys make bad throws, guys
drop passes. A lot of things went into the second

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drive where they had to settle for a field goal.
The Evan McPherson field goal is something we're going to
spend time on. And then, to my surprise, after the
Eagles took the lead, the Bengals put together a nice
thirteen play touchdown drive coming out of the half. But
after that, the turnover on downs, which we're going to

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spend a lot of time on an interception of fumble
and the game was over. I mean, the defense wasn't
going to get enough stops yesterday. And it puts the
emphasis on what everyone is now talking about, Austin, and
that is getting the ball back in a twenty four

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to seventeen game late in the third quarter, and you
get to third and one on your own thirty nine
yard line and you call a timeout, and coming out
of the timeout, Austin, you bring in an extra offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Let me let me stop you there, okay. Prior to
the timeout, Matt Lee runs onto the field yes, and
reports as eligible. Okay. Probably going to be a run
play here, okay. And then this is what blows my mind.
How many plays do you think, gosh, how many plays

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do you think are in the playbook where Matt Lee
is the eligible.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
End Probably not many, Probably not many, unless unless you're
in the Kansas City Chief.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
For context, that's probably normally Cody Ford, but at this
point in the game he was playing left tackle because
Orlando Brown Junior was out. But there's only a handful
of those plays and Cody Ford and or Matt Lee
is the eligible player. Okay, yep. And for some reason
there is a miscommunication with the play even though you

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already have the personnel in and they have to burn
a timeout.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
And and that timeout is that that's half the problem
because you run the lineman on the field, then you
have to burn the time out. Yes, and One it's
it's it's inexcusable because you you have to know when
you're going in what what the play is. Two it
gives Philly now time and Vic Fangio, who doesn't need
any more time, probably look at a sheet and say,

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we know what's coming, we know what's coming here. And
and I'll be damn if they don't come out of
a timeout. And Zach Moss tries to go right up
the middle.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And it's the same exact look that you were about
to give.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yep. And it don't change anything if you know.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
You're gonna go for it here, but unless it's a sack,
then spread it out or do something else. You clearly
cannot run the ball. Are they the only that is
allowed to do the push? Matt Lee is coming into
the game? Yep, Matt Lee, you're down a starter on
the offensive line. You're you're running into the teeth of

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the Philadelphia strengths those two interiors. What you're choosing to do, yep,
it's asinine. And then.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Like so on fourth down, so you don't get it
on thumbs so on fourth down.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I still can't get over the fact that they had
to call damn time out on that. Ye Like, do
you not practice your third and fourth and shorts there?
As you know that there's what six seven play calls
on there that you can go to.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
There are specific I'll tell you exactly how it goes
at practice. There are specific periods every week of practice
that you go over the specific plays. There is a
third and long period, there's a red zone period, and
there is a short yardage period that every single week
at practice you rep. And there are plays going into

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a game that every single short yardage play you say,
these are our go tos yep. And I don't even
know if it's six or seven, Austin, it might be
four or five maybe. And you know when you go
over those plays the night before the game, when you're
in the hotel and you're having your final meetings, or
the day of the game, and you call them out

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in front of the whole room. Hey, our first short yardage.
Here's what we're going with short yardage opportunities? Does everyone
know you go over all that stuff. So to burn
a timeout and then show the same play and run it,
as you said, right into the heart of the Philadelphia
Eagles defense with Zach Moss is unexplainable.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Here's the other thing to me. So you come out
in that play, you called time out, and you come
back right back into that same formation. Okay, So on
the right side of your offensive line, it's Kappa, Mimes,
Lee and Eric Alli that end. Joe gets to the
line of scrimmage, doesn't like the look he sees. Yep,

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he calls an audible, He cans whatever that first play
was supposed to be, which, based on the formation and
the fact that you have sample Ford and Volson on
the other side, makes me think, Okay, we're running this
thing to the right.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Then Burrow cans it. And it's very clearly to me
gonna be a run to the left, because now you
bring eric All in motion to the left, ball is snapped.
And what happens Alex Kappa has no idea who he's
supposed to block. Eric All doesn't know who he's supposed
to block, and Cordell Vulson is manhandled and they get

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nothing out of it.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yep. I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I don't quite understand the reason why Burrow checked out
of that.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
And the problem, the biggest problem here, Austin. It came
after Philly had taken the momentum with the Devonte Smith.
So you need it, you have to have it, you
have to have it. And again on the second down
they got a little push because they ran Chase Brown
out of the gun. Your decision is to go under center.

(30:22):
Look at the bodies, Look at the bodies in the
middle of the Philly defense, and that's where you run
the ball. So okay, third down, failure, Fourth down, Joe
is in the gun and I am watching Jamar Chase
do his zig motion, all right, which is to go
come back a little bit and then you're going right

(30:44):
to the flat, and you're doing this because you know
it's man and you want leverage on the defender. The
problem is the defender played it beautifully. The other problem
is you're not running an arrow or you get the
first down. Yeah, you're running a swing a swing pass.

(31:04):
So again, and this isn't the first time that's happening that.
That's what pisses me off the most. It's not the
first time in a short yarded situation that the Bengals
have thrown the ball behind the sticks. It's fourth down.
You're throwing the ball behind the sticks and there are
two players right there to make the play.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
And there's there's nothing built in to even take one
of those players out. No, there's no rub andre Yosivash
for whatever reason. And we didn't have a conversation about
him because he stinks, I mean, for whatever reason, just
runs out like he's gonna clear out. He doesn't doesn't
get in the way at all.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
If he runs into the corner. The plays of success.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Take that route real slow, ye force him to get
around you, And I get I get the idea. Give
the ball to Jamar Chase. He's gonna win a lot
of one only if there's leverage. But that's only if
there's leverage, And then why are you bubbling kind of
banana ing this behind the sticks? It makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
They didn't get leverage. And in man demand Austin. We
could pull one hundred people on the street right now
and say, hey, if you're gonna run a rub route
in the NFL, want to you want to run a
rub route against manor zone? What would people say? Man,
you got the perfect look to do it, and you
don't even try to rub, So say what you want
of the play calling director. The game was over there.

(32:25):
That was the game. The game was over in that moment.
And now today I get to look, Hey, guess who
the guess who the QBR leader in the NFL is.
It's Joe Burrow. He's got the highest QBR in football.
It's completion percentages through the roof. He's top five and
a ton of categories, and his team's three and five,

(32:47):
and another season of Joe Burrow is getting wasted. We
got to spend a lot of time on the defense.
But before we do that, we'll take your phone calls
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Speaker 7 (33:02):
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Speaker 4 (33:18):
With the goal on, they break three, David's backing up.

Speaker 9 (33:21):
He's just gonna have the wet word flow, goes to
the right side, steps away from the defenders, get itself
of time now, steps up, fires heads towards the end zone.

Speaker 10 (33:33):
It Oh yeah.

Speaker 11 (33:55):
Whoa you talk about the ball breast another world.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
They unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
David Daniel's extended to play.

Speaker 11 (34:11):
Over and over we touch down.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Oh. I just want to feel that type of joy, man,
I want to feel that joy.

Speaker 12 (34:33):
That is the.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Washington Commander's radio network, and I think every single person
on the in the booth could be heard on the
mic at one point.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
That was awesome. Number twenty Mary, number twenty nine for
the Bears. That was seen in the replay. Yrek steven
Syrek Stevens jawling it. Fans has his back turned and
then is the one that actually tips the ball up
in the air to Noah Brown. Unbelievable, sweet justice, What
an ending, What an ending, Great Washington, great game, great game.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Do you want to talk about a coach who should
be fired? Matt Eberflus and Shane Waldron? Oh man, Shane
Waldron gave the ball to an offensive lineman. Yeah, tried
to refrigerator Parriot. Yep, fumbled. You got DeAndre Swift. He's
doing pretty well. Let's take a couple of phone calls here.
We got a couple of minutes. What's up, Mark?

Speaker 13 (35:23):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, Mark, what's up?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (35:26):
I want to talk about the Bengals philosophy and building
the team. All right, I heard a stat before the
show that four teams have had a winning percentage of
over six sixty since two thousand and seven. To two
of them are the Ravens and Steelers.

Speaker 15 (35:41):
Well, what do they do?

Speaker 14 (35:42):
They run the ball, they have great defense, Bengals haven't
had a great running game since Corey Dillon, and they
keep wanting to go with this high flying, you know,
greatest show on turf stuff, and they can't get one
yard on first, can't get a third and one The ball,
and that's why they lose. Yeah, they know they're predictable.

(36:03):
They're passing game struggles because they can't run the ball
and they can't stop anybody. And when those other teams
do it every year, they're perennial winners and there's no
magic to what they're doing. You know, why don't we
copy what they're doing?

Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yeah, Mark, I appreciate the call. It it's not as
easy as just copying because you know, one that personnel
is going to dictate a lot of that and I
understand you can dictate who your personnel is. But the
right pick was Jamar Chase. The offense is Joe Burrow
and Jamar Chase. I understand. You want to be more
physical in the run game and you want to have
that style. That's just not who the Bengals are unfortunately

(36:38):
at this point. But it's it's a culture that's built.
And again, I know Pittsburgh makes the playoff, Pittsburgh also
has an advance in the playoffs forever Baltimore comes up short.
So yes, they're perennially, they're they're winners, but they need
to get over the hump as well.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
At this I think when it comes to the run game.
I know Dan Horde said this in the post game
with with Box, is that they just don't have a
dependable run game. No, like there's there's nothing where you
feel like I can go get five or six yards here,
all right? You know when you need one yard to
be able to you can't get it. Yeah, And we

(37:17):
saw flashes of it at the beginning part of the season,
but teams have Teams of Justice have figured it out,
and the Bengals there's this There's been a rumor out
there that the offensive line has a tell about whether
or not they are running the ball, which could be
something to look into. But I mean that's been around
for weeks and I don't really see much of a difference.
But it's you don't need Corey Dillon, you don't need

(37:40):
you know, Eric Dickerson or Barry Sanders back there. You
just need some form of dependability from the run game,
and they don't have it.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Sure, the run game has completely disappeared. Jeff is in
Independent What's up? Jeff?

Speaker 12 (37:54):
Hey, guys, I'll say you took my thunder from the
timeout calling for the one play in your last segment.
My favorite thing to call about the time out spent.
But I do want to touch on one two things
real quick. One Obviously, I don't think Zach Taylor can
coach himself of a wet paper bag. But secondly, the
T Higgins thing. You know, I saw people here say

(38:14):
after the game was over, and you know, during the
game talking about you know, T Higgins is, you know,
not reliable, his injuries, he's injury prone.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
You can't pay a.

Speaker 12 (38:21):
Guy like that. I think it stood out yesterday more
than ever that you need a guy like T Higgins
on this offense and say what you want. I mean,
the guy has been there, showed up with contract negotiations
going on, and he still shows up. You know, I
understand injuries happened, but people want to bring into breath.
Oh you want to pay a guy top tier money,
top tier talent, but he's on the field. But if

(38:42):
you're going to bring that up, you need to bring
in the same breath that you know, we did pay
Joe Burrow who sat out a lot of games as
the injury and you know, injuries happening. I get it,
but I think that it stood out yesterday more than
ever that you need a guy like T Higgins to
compliment to Mar Chase, and I just think that's the
truth and the truth going forward. But if you're T Higgins,
like how hard he really wash pushing to get back

(39:03):
Because if the plan was to not pay Jesse Bates
in the you got paid T Higgins right, you're not
doing either or it doesn't look clear for him like
he's gonna get paid again. So just my thoughts on
that and just kind of see where guys are hit.

Speaker 16 (39:16):
There with that.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, Jeff, I appreciate the call. No, I'm worried about
this offense without T. Higgins because I've seen it without
T Higgins and I don't trust the scheme and the
play design without T Higgins to excel when teams can
send more attention to Jamar Chase. Jamar got extra attention
yesterday and he deserved extra attention. He still had a

(39:38):
pretty good game. But teams are going to continue to
force especially Austin. This team has a question at wide
receiver number three already, and we'll dive into more of
that as the week goes on. But when T Higgins
is an opposite, you have to rely more on the
play design, and I don't know if they are there
yet from a play design standpoint to excel as far
as the contract goes, what teams are and I know

(40:00):
someone probably will what teams are lining up to want
to pay t Higgins with the injury history in the past,
maybe maybe you can get him at a discount to
come back. I don't know he's gonna get paid by somebody, fine,
I mean it won't be top flight money because he's
just not on the field enough.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
He's not available enough. And this is twice now that
late in the week a Thursday and a Friday, he's
suffered an injury in practice.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
And practice because they're not doing a ton in practice.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
It makes no sense. It makes no sense to me.
And apparently they have come up with some system to
try to, you know, work with this soft tissue stuff.
And it's just a lot of bad luck for him,
to be completely honest, it sucks. I feel bad for
him because nobody deserves that. But you know, I I
thought that this especially early part of the season, we
had seen some evolution from the offense to say, Okay,

(40:49):
this is probably what it's gonna look like more next year.
But there's been no production from Jermaine Burton very very
much at all. And it felt like maybe he took
a step forward. Yes, but andre Yosuvash is absolutely nothing.
We got to talk about a guy that was hyped
up during the preseason has done nothing against NFL quality corners.

Speaker 17 (41:09):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Well, maybe it's because he's going up against a terrible
defense every day in practice that made him look so good.
So again comes back to the sobering thought of the
future of this organization and with Duke Tobin. Listen, if
let's say they have the sixteenth overall pick in the draft,
if they're in the fifteen to twenty range, you can't

(41:29):
tell me they shouldn't pick a wide receiver number one
with their I'm not kidding, No, I get it. They
should be taking a wide receiver in the first round
of the draft. That I mean, that's that's seriously what
they are looking at right now. And we've talked already
about the extensive issues they have on defense.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
And there are there are many people that are sitting
out there same. Wait a second, I thought we were
moving on from Jesse Bates to not have this problem. Yeah,
we'll have this conversation.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
I get that. And again that goes into the lens
from which you view the front office moving forward. You
never trust him to do the right thing. I'm tired
of talking about the Jesse Bates thing because that's two
or three years ago and there's nothing. This is the
boat that they're in now and they're still struggling from him. Yeah, Jonathan,
what's up?

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Man?

Speaker 13 (42:14):
You guys are breaking my heart today. I was hoping
I didn't have to hear that final play of the
Bears game. That just it was killing me. And you're
absolutely right. They need to fire the offensive coordinator. He
doesn't know it. They thought, oh, he'd.

Speaker 18 (42:26):
Be the guru for this quarterback because he did such
a great job with Geno Smith, and Gino Smith's doing
good without him.

Speaker 13 (42:33):
So what is that show?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (42:35):
The Bears?

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Oh? The Bears?

Speaker 13 (42:37):
Bears?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Okay, I thought you were talking about the Bengals. I
was so confused.

Speaker 18 (42:40):
I apologies, But on this they've also.

Speaker 13 (42:44):
Had a bunch of different issues. Why on the one
yard line we have ro Seaan Johnson do you go
to pass the ball? Because that's what it was to
a offensive lineman that then hits his chest and goes
to the defense like the Bear.

Speaker 12 (42:59):
Should I have been in the situation of that and
I stayed off social media.

Speaker 13 (43:04):
Yesterday I had enough and I get in the vehicle.
I turn you guys on, and that's the instant thing
I hear. I'm make your break in my heart. Yeah,
thank you, guys are taking my call.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Probably sorry about that, Jonathan, I didn't know. Yeah, Jonathan,
Chicago three sixty Today Jonathan turned the car onto the
exact wrong moment where we spent Maybe he was listening
to Chicago Sport. Where am I? Where am I? Right now?
We got one more call and then we'll touch and
go the end of the hour and get to the
defense to start the second Jeff, what's up?

Speaker 19 (43:34):
Uh?

Speaker 18 (43:34):
Double misery Monday for me? Since the refs ignored all
three of those massive holding calls. Now I'm surrounded by
commanders fans who are bouncing off the walls.

Speaker 15 (43:45):
Here they're back and Austin I was.

Speaker 20 (43:48):
I was praying.

Speaker 18 (43:49):
I knew that was going to be the call of
the day. I've been stuck with Bram Weinstein in two
charity golf tournaments.

Speaker 13 (43:56):
I played up out here.

Speaker 18 (43:57):
That guy you look up dope in the addictionary. He
is such a stain on the University of Maryland. It
is unbelievable, but getting credit.

Speaker 13 (44:05):
He had his day in the sun.

Speaker 18 (44:07):
No, couple a couple of thoughts on the game. On
that third down play, we were looking straight at it
when they broke the huddle. The sneak off to the
right of the center was wide open. They got to
the line and the Eagles line shifted get into those gaps,
and that's when.

Speaker 20 (44:25):
Joe stood up and changed the play. Now, my question
on the fourth down call is, if anybody gets to
interview Dan Pitcher this week, you need to ask him
if that call came from the booth or if Zach
was just looking at his play sheet when.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
He made it.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, you know the third down, Jeff, Yeah, Jeff, thank
you for the call. I gotta get to break. But no,
the the third down for me, Austin, I guess it's
magnified yesterday. When I watch a team just constantly do
the toush push like there is an opening, and I'll
do it over the break because I've been watching it.
There's an opening in the defense when they shift. If

(45:03):
Joe just takes the ball and goes to his left
over the guard, he can fall forward for a yard. Now,
if you don't want to do it with Joe Burrow.
I get it. Okay, There's also other options to have
and the Bengals take none of them, and that, to me,
that's the biggest problem is that there the defense is

(45:26):
giving you an opportunity. You have to fall forward for
a yard and at the time and place of the game,
at twenty four to seventeen, you have to convert because
you know the defense isn't getting a stop. So for me,
you've got to go to your two best short yardage
plays and both of them failed. Your two best plays

(45:47):
for short yard is going into the game that you
felt the best and the most confident about. Failed. That's
a problem. That's an issue for the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll
wrap up out number one when we get back.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
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Skyline Chili. We got a minute or so here Austin,
you said, we've got a trade.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
That's right. The TNC City Chiefs, Gosh, you know last
week they acquired DeAndre Hopkins.

Speaker 15 (47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
I actually had a good game for him yesterday game.
That's a nice catches.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Well, today they have acquired outside linebacker edge rusher past
rusher josh Ucha from the New England Patriots for a
sixth round pick. A sixth round pick for josh Uch
are the.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Uh oh man the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
The Chiefs are serious about winning a championship.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
You are, correctly, and they gave up a six round
I don't even know anything about josh Uche, but you
take a flyer on him for a six round pick.
I'm in yeah uh.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
And you know they've won the last two Super Bowls
and then they've decided, you know what, well, let's keep
trying to win them and we'll go get a couple
of good players that can help us. Josh Ja not
having a great season. Change of scenery, but pass rush
depth in the NFL is a big deal. And anytime
you are on the same defensive line as George Carloftis

(48:47):
and Chris Jones, you're probably gonna get some opportunities. And
Josh Ucha unbelievable. We just continue to do the same
thing ourselves.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Let's take a break, let's come back, and I guess
we got to talk about the defensive side of the
ball in the special teams unit as well. We'll do
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Yes, it's not just according to Ian Rappaport, it's not
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Welcome Back Monday Midday Quarterback Hour number two on ESPN
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to do this Austin as much as we probably don't
want to right now. We got to talk about the
defense from yesterday's game, and I don't really know where

(50:42):
to start when it comes to the defense. I said
yesterday with the Holy Grald. We said this last week.
If Jalen Hurts can come into a game and throw
twenty or less passes, the Eagles are going to win
those games. Yesterday, Jalen Hurts dropped back twenty times. Jalen
Hurts completed its sixteen of those twenty. He was never

(51:02):
sacked in the ballgame. He was hit once by Joseph
Osai from a quarterback hits standpoint, Austin, would you say
that's the And I know we don't watch the Eagles
week in and week out, but is the number one
damning moment from yesterday's game that a quarterback in an

(51:22):
offense that hadn't scored a point in the first quarter
all season long? They didn't yesterday, but an offense that
had come in sputtering a little bit, playing with multiple
guys out on the offensive line, including Fred Johnson blocking
Trey Hendrickson. Is that the most damning stat is that
they got nowhere near Jalen Hurts all day? Yeah? I
mean there's a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I mean, you come into the offense or coming to
the game expecting Trey Hendrickson to eat, to have an
impact to eat he did dominate, he didn't. And then
you expect him to get double teamed and that allows
opportunities for Rankins and Hill and Hubbard to win and
they didn't.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
It's just it's it's remarkable how Jalen Hurts could have
just done whatever he wanted to yesterday.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
And you know, we talked about it going into the
game about, uh, you know they're gonna try to get
the ball out quick because the offensive line is going
to struggle.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
They held onto the ball forever. They ran it for
four point one yards of carry. Barkley ran it for
five yards a rush. Devonte Smith and A. J. Brown
got the lion's share of the targets. It was, it was,
in my opinion, it was. It was an embarrassing performance
by the Bengals defense.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yeah, and and that's this is who they are.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
They're frauds. But we said the Giants and and the
Browns and we tried to build up optimism. The defense
is fraudulent. Tell me on a team that is serious
about winning a Super Bowl Austin. How Luy or Romo
is still the decordinator? I don't know they were. They
were awful last year and they've been awful this year.
And your eight game into the season. If you're serious

(53:01):
about winning a title, how is your defensive coordinator still
the defensive coordinator today?

Speaker 16 (53:06):
You know?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I think one of the things that has been interesting
about teams that are contenders in the NFL. Philadelphia is
a perfect example. They lost both their coordinators. They fired
both their coordinators last year, a year after losing them
to head coaching jobs. Baltimore has lost both their coordinators.

(53:27):
Kansas City lost their offensive coordinator a couple of years ago,
and Eric b Enemy. There have been teams that have
adapted and changed and had to deal with assistants leaving
the building. The only two guys that have left for
the Bengals over the last couple of years is Brian
Callahan and Colt Anderson. And there are people in Titan's

(53:51):
Twitter right now calling for Colt Anderson's job because they
gave up two hundred yards in return yards to the
Lions yesterday and special teams. But it just feels like
to me, the Bengals looked at what happened last year
with Burrow being hurt, and tried to really run it
back this year and see what would happen against the

(54:12):
last play schedule.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I think that's truly what they thought, that they'll get
better after a year development and the competition won't be
as good and Burrow will carry us through it. I
think that's truthfully their their mindset. But over the last
couple of years, how much development have you seen out
of the safeties, how much development have you seen out
of the cornerbacks.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Who they've se so they and again we mentioned earlier,
they have they've bought into those in the draft. They've
bought into that position, and you've got to hit and
you've got to develop those guys, and they're not doing either.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So yes, I think it's just kind of continuing to
be the same thing over and over again and kind
of hoping that it'll be different. Or to me, it's
it's jamming a square peg into a round hole. But
Charles Burke's secondary and corners, backs, cornerbacks, Jordan Kovak's secondary
and safeties, Marion Hobby defensive line, like those guys they

(55:07):
need to go if you're serious.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
If you're serious about winning a Super Bowl. For one
and a half years now, you've had one of the
worst defense in the league. You shouldn't have the decordinator. Still,
if you're serious about winning a super Bowl, listen to
this stout Austin from Paul Dayner Junior. In games against
teams with a winning record this year, this is where
the Bengals defense ranked. Again. Teams with the winning record,

(55:31):
they have allowed a touchdown a touchdown on forty two
percent of the drives. For teams with the winning record,
they've a lot of score on sixty three percent of
those drives the NFL average forty three percent, ranked thirty
first in that category. Of the Eagles at fifty five percent,

(55:52):
sixty three percent of the time that an opponent with
a winning record Austin takes the ball, they score points
against the Bengals defense, and two of those times is
a touchdown. That's last in the National Football League. The Steelers,
as Paul points out, lead that category. Their opponents score
touchdowns on twelve percent of their drives. Forty two percent

(56:15):
of the time that the defense goes on the field
against a winning football team, they give.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Up touchdowns, and that is why I will keep defending
Zach Taylor. I understand where you're coming from, but to me,
this team and the way that they were built on
defense is fatally flawed. I said that last year, I
said it again this year. I couldn't even drink the
kool a little bit in the offseason because I thought, Okay,

(56:44):
well Cam Taylor, Britt'll be better, and Turner will be
better and Von Bell's back, that's going to fix a
lot of stuff. Well, boy, was I mistaken ye And
there's been zero production on the defensive line. Like it's
just it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. That is a they are
historically bad.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
What a sobering stat that is. And if the defense
isn't bad enough, Austin, we have to have the conversation
because we paid him a ton of money. What do
you do with with Evan McPherson at this point, man?
I mean, you could argue that the game shifted there.
If the game didn't shift on the third and fourth down,
the game shifted when he can't make a field goal.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
That was my thought when I was in the you know,
at the game yesterday. I felt like, at that moment,
the Bengals were in trouble.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
He's been bad.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Because that drive, it felt like the Bengals were going
for it, and they moved the ball really well. First drive,
first play of that drive, and I put this on
my Twitter at Audiomore a U T y E l
m O Ri Burrow has that perfect three or four
step drop at the end of it, hit Chase on
an out route, Chase slipped and fell. Next play was

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one of the best throws I've ever seen. Burrow make
a forty one yard at a Burton yep. Then they
have a sweep to Chase Brown in which Drew Sample
gets blown out and creates way more space than needed.
And then there's a Chase Jamar. Chase misses a block
down the field play gets nothing, and then Burrow has

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a bad miss to Yoshi Vash over the middle yep
and then they call it another play short of the
sticks to Geski in a play that Joe Burrow gave
up early on again and they get that and they
settle for a field goal and he misses. And from
that point I was like, Okay, well, there was your
other chance. You had it, because they had had three
straight drives in which they should have scored points. They

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got the field goal on the first drive of the
second quarter that should have been a touchdown. Burrow missed
a wide open Jamar Chase on that one, and then
the way that that drive stalled out and Zach Taylor
I put this on social media. Zach cannot continue to
operate under the assumption that Evan McPherson is a weapon.

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He's ten for nineteen from fifty or longer over the
last two years. He's not a weapon. Yeah, he's just
another guy. And prior to the game, I'm watching him
in warm ups, clanked one off the upright, no good,
goes into the game, sneaks it in left side on
that first field goal, misses, the next one, comes back

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out in warm ups at halftime, misses one wide left,
and then on the next kick from the same spot,
hit one so far right it went into the stands.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
And this is with the ball on a te yep,
perfectly held. There's a serious issue with Evan mcfi.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
It is a it's a slippery, slippery slope right now
from the whole team standpoint, we're gonna get the talkbacks
in just a few minutes. Let's take a phone call here,
what's up? Mike?

Speaker 15 (59:42):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 11 (59:43):
Though?

Speaker 15 (59:43):
I was enjoying the broadcast as usual.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Thank you, Mike. I appreciate it.

Speaker 15 (59:48):
You guys are consistent. Man, I like it. There's not
a bad show that I can recall.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 15 (59:55):
I'm sorry, excuse me, Steelers or no brainer tonight. Yet
I don't understand fellas. I will I to doubt Mike Tomlin,
but I mean, Justin Fields was doing what he was
asked to do. He was protecting the ball. Who's winning games.
I don't understand the switch. Why can you justify this?

Speaker 23 (01:00:17):
To me?

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
It feels like it feels like a move that would
gain criticism, and now all of a sudden, they make
the move, and Russell Wilson played really well, and you
look back and say, man, Tomlin just has a firm
grasp on what they want to do. Because now, the
way Russell Wilson played in his first game, we're talking
about that team even differently now. So I give him

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credit because a lot of guys would just ride it
out and say, hey, Fields isn't doing anything wrong. He
thinks the team can get better. He made the change,
and it seems like the team responded to it.

Speaker 15 (01:00:52):
And they're not. These guys with their these quarterbacks with
their legs that are effective. Seems to be the way. Hi,
I don't know if it will ever be exclusively that
obviously not. There's still rooms will drop back pure passers.
But I'm watching party last night, this little part. He's unbelievable.
He's unbelievable.

Speaker 24 (01:01:12):
Waston or bigger than him running with reckless. We'll not
reckless to Vandam but doing smart. He's a smart, smart quarterback.
Jaydon Daniels is blowing the away.

Speaker 15 (01:01:26):
Uh. There's a lot of good young guys around fellas,
and it's really encouraging for the league. I want to
talk to Bengals, but I just, I just I don't
want to be negative. So nobody wants to hear that.
You guys are taken care of that, so I don't
have to bolster that. And I'll go. I need to go.

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But boy, tonight, Walker you got a chance now you
were you were your old self the other night. Let's
see if you can do it again tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
These games have the World Series has been fantastic. Man,
you cannot ask for more than what they've delivered with
the whole playoffs, really from Major League Baseball, and with
the Bengals struggling, you can't help but look forward to okay,
how many days till till spring training and Terry Francona
takes charge of the of the Reds right now. But
I'm with you, Mike. The World Series up to this

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point has been absolutely fantastic, and.

Speaker 15 (01:02:19):
I think Terry Francona, I feel so much better about
the Reds now, I really do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
It completely changes it.

Speaker 15 (01:02:25):
I didn't have a real bax to grind with David
Bell because I still don't know how many games managers
in slunce as a result and wins. But I just
think he ambiance the of the club, and now he
brings in a new hitting coach. Don't you feel good
about Francona and his experience? I thinkabulous. Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
I think they're going to be light years ahead of
where they were, and I'm certainly certainly excited about the
season and for the World Series tonight, Mike, I appreciate you, man,
thank you, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:02:54):
Thank you. And Austin I noticed when I bring out
the Reds, you are mom is the word.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
We'll talk about the Reds again in February, Mike, appreciate it.

Speaker 15 (01:03:04):
Sorry, I won't bring it up again. I never do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
Mike, Thank you man, I appreciate you. By the way,
before we get the talk back. So, there was one
other thing yesterday that I wanted to bring up, but
we got caught up in the Bengals early. What on
this earth was that Dwayne Wade statue?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:03:19):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Not good?

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Did you see that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
How could? How could? In twenty twenty four, I tweeted
it out last night Tony Underscore Pike fifteen. That wasn't
a joke. That wasn't like an episode of pranked or something.
That was a legitimate statue that they released of Dwayne Wade.
It looks nothing like him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
I can't. I can't figure out why.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
And he took it with a straight face.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I believe he laughed about it. You can tell. There's
a video out there of him, like you know, what's
going through his head? There has to be, Yeah, there
has to be. I just don't. It's just crazy that
there's not people there to say, hey, this isn't right,
this looks terrible, which you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Well, it's kind of a we need those people may
kind of an.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Example about the Bengals, it feels like to me, an
organization full of people who don't want to be disagreeable,
full of people that are yes men towards whatever Duke
and Mike and Katie and Troy want to do, and
to an extent Zach as well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Yeah, I can go with that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
You know, difficult conversations have to be had. That is life.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
That is you know, if if you and I do
a show and if anybody here ever listened to it
management wise and they didn't like what we what we
did or what we heard, it might not be it
might not be comfortable for us to hear that. Yep,
but that can make our show better. And you can say, Okay,
that's something we need to improve on. Imagine that, Like

(01:04:55):
there are times what was it something last week? I said, Hey,
here's something you're doing that doesn't sound great. I don't like,
I didn't like doing it, but I think it can
help you. Like, you can't surround yourself with everybody who
just has this group thinking this mentality of like, Okay,
if we just keep doing it this way or whatever
it might be, no one's gonna oppose you, and and

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this is the right way and whatever the boss says
we'll do that. No, screw that, Like, there has to
be some pushback on the way we're doing things with this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Organization, especially when it's working.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
And I know that it doesn't matter, but I think
it was I forget if it was Joe Goodberry or
somebody who made the point of, like, when the fans
on social media are seeing ahead of time the shortcomings
that this team has before the team itself sees them,
that's an issue now. I I one of the things

(01:05:51):
I was wrong about in the summer and leading into
training camp was I was like, I think they're fine
at cornerback. I don't think they need to go get
a veteran guy. We had those conversations. I was wrong
about that, but everybody else was screaming about it. Go
get a veteran corner, Go get a veteran corner yep,
and clearly they needed one of those. They sat back

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crazy like that sort of stuff. I just think that
stuff happens within the organization and that can be fatal
to your super Bowl hopes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Yep, that's an issue. Let's take a break. Let's come back.
Your talkbacks next. On the Monday midday Quarterback, You're on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station a service of Sinci shirts.

Speaker 22 (01:06:37):
Now You're three sixty is back on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 25 (01:06:46):
Pressed the microphone message us then and down and a
sprink gosp oh, we should have downplay it's my favorite
screen and try not to sabitize it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
Come on, come on, what we got not gonna be good?
Voice is starting to fake.

Speaker 26 (01:07:19):
This is attempt number forty seven to leave a talkback
that is not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Filled with.

Speaker 26 (01:07:28):
Explicatives and name calling about Zach Taylor explicatives and this
is really hard to do. So let me just leave
you with this. Hey, hey, ho ho, Zach Taylor has
got to go. Thank you.

Speaker 27 (01:07:45):
So, first off, we should never have been in that
fourth in one situation when it was third and a
half yard. We should have just quarterback sneaked it, got
the first down and moved on. But does his play
calling indicate a complete lack of common in the defense
when it's fourth and one or just a complete lack
of imagination with situational play calling, because we have to

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be the team with the highest percentage of throwing the
ball behind the line of scrimmage when it's fourth and
short and it's just mind bottling.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Well, if it was lack of confidence in the defense,
he would be punting the ball away and trying to
pin him deep. I think it's more the play calling
in those situations is the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I think the lack of confidence in the defense is
why he went for it. Sure, but it was the
call to go for it. No, it was the right
thing to do. It was just a stupid call.

Speaker 28 (01:08:36):
DJ Union, No, Zach, You're not better than your record.
The offense will continue to be wildly inconsistent until they
learned to run the ball. They have one player on defense,
The rest, including the coordinator, are replaceable, and hopefully fans
can finally see why you can't give Higgins a large contract.
He's two injury prone, he gets hurt in practice. Love

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him as a talent, but you can't commit big dollars to.

Speaker 24 (01:09:04):
You.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Are you to record? Says you are Tony?

Speaker 23 (01:09:07):
This is goon from Indianapolis. Game was over.

Speaker 29 (01:09:11):
Yesterday when Zach Taylor decided not to try QB sneak
on third and fourth down one. But the larger story
for me is the just continue abysmal play the defensive
line that they didn't get any pressure on Hurts yesterday,
and that's something my dad and I've been talking about
since before the season started.

Speaker 23 (01:09:32):
Shout out to Mark, A lot of time left.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
I guess, okay, a lot of time left.

Speaker 30 (01:09:38):
A good Pallas Hink killed here and Ball. I'm gonna
tell you what headed into Friday. I was so god
dang excited about this game this weekend, and boy, I
was ready to get up here on victory Monday and
start talking playoffs and super Bowl. And then well, I said,
well yesterday and Filas, I just don't know anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I'm with you. It's hard.

Speaker 31 (01:10:03):
The Bengals have a serious case of the go and
that's all I have to say about that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
Hey, guys, get an indie.

Speaker 15 (01:10:14):
A couple thoughts.

Speaker 32 (01:10:16):
I think this organization has failed miserably to surround two
superstars with a with a good roster, and that's claring. Secondly,
Taylor has to make some changes to the staff YEP,
or to the game plan or the play calling or something,
or he's writing his own ticket out of town, because
enough enough, Burrow and Chase are not going to sit
around and be wasted in Cincinnati with this leadership right now,

(01:10:39):
It's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Lead from the front, Lead from the front.

Speaker 23 (01:10:44):
What's up, boys?

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Lying from Saint Louis.

Speaker 33 (01:10:47):
Tony, first of all, thank you for being such a
true warrior yesterday and coming to you to grow and no
sleep and no voice. You're really an inspiration to us all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
But for me, it's.

Speaker 33 (01:10:58):
Another long hour drive home again, more sadness, more darkness.

Speaker 23 (01:11:07):
But what I am?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
I guess?

Speaker 33 (01:11:11):
Thanks, boys, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
I hope the ride home is is going better than expected.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
To make it worse, you gotta go to Saint Louis.

Speaker 34 (01:11:17):
Yeah, Hi, Tony and Austin. It's Jim from the Delicious
Dairy Bar, finishing off another vanilla Sunday with no hot
fudge or cherry. But I would be doubly derelict in
my duty if I didn't describe my disdain for the
delirious tobaccle delivered and dubious desperation yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Dudes, talk about it.

Speaker 34 (01:11:40):
Whatever Delirium seven and two to finish lovely, chill the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Place, Jim, tell you what losing does some terrible things
to people.

Speaker 35 (01:11:52):
Oh for Ash three and five for good money, Mac
and Zach gave me the hacks. The Scovill meter rises
at Indiana eight and oh Michael Jordan the NASCAR's Final
Four with the Tyler Reddick victory at Miami. Interesting week

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ahead for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
I'm not giving up. That might help your throat a
little bit. I'm watching the game in here right now.
Why I just I cannot believe andre Yoshebas dropped that pass.
That was a big play in the game too. I
mean that was a big play in the game. Mhm,

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that guy stinks. Hi, this is the president. I'm sad,
that is all. Uh? Did John make it out to
the Grail?

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Didn't see him? I didn't either, didn't see him.

Speaker 17 (01:13:03):
Hello, this is former president ron Older again. Well, that
loss hurts. How bad does it hurt? To quote Linda Ronstad,
You know it hurts so bad. Jalen Hurts made us
feel so sad. Asked for Eagle fans to quote John Mellencamp.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Hurts so good. Jalen Hurts was so good. The Bengal
defense didn't.

Speaker 17 (01:13:28):
Play like it should. You know, Jalen Hurts so good.

Speaker 16 (01:13:31):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
You know this was an organization Austin where the head
coach was going after their own fans after they snuck
by the Browns they were in dysfunction, they were askering
all kinds of questions, and they left Cincinnati probably feeling
like they'll win a super Bowl. That's what the Bengal.
The Bengals are like the homecoming team you schedule now
to get right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Yeah, they're like reading Fellas.

Speaker 35 (01:13:52):
I thought the season was on life support about three
weeks ago.

Speaker 13 (01:13:55):
But I had a little bit of hope your mammy,
thinking they could get it right. Thought they were gonna
get the five.

Speaker 29 (01:14:00):
And they just fall apart the end of the game yesterday,
So I think.

Speaker 23 (01:14:04):
The plug's been pulled.

Speaker 18 (01:14:06):
One of the problems is there's a lot of jags
on his team, and one of them, for example, I believe,
is Yoshi.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I don't care.

Speaker 18 (01:14:12):
If the guy knows the whole plate book and watches
Joe Burrow's car, he does not get separation.

Speaker 25 (01:14:17):
Who does Burton?

Speaker 30 (01:14:19):
And if he knows a handful of plays plate.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Let me know about it.

Speaker 36 (01:14:25):
Lukelima, apologies for the terrible voice. Boy, didn't that remind
you of the Washington game? Great first track, get a touchdown,
the defense, booty cheeks, defensive line, put them on a
milk curtain along with Yoshi. I don't think Jalen Hurts
even broke a sweat yesterday. No, I mean, this is

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just unacceptable. Oh and four at home. But we all
know nobody's gonna be held accountable.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
That's the problem. No one will be held account.

Speaker 36 (01:14:54):
Also, fourth and one and he throws short of the sticks.

Speaker 23 (01:14:58):
Fourth and one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
That was an Andy Dalton Marvin Lewis play.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
A little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 37 (01:15:07):
It is so when we lost to Baltimore, we lost
Kansas City. You know, I felt like, gosh, we were
so close. We could have won this game. We're gonna
turn it around. There was hope the game yesterday. I
think the Bengals this is who they are and I
hate to say it, and I didn't feel bad after

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the game because it was like, this is who they are. Lastly,
please Zach Taylor give up the play calling.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
That sentiment is the scary part though. If people don't care,
that becomes the issue.

Speaker 38 (01:15:44):
Hey, guys, Jeff new Richmond, first off, I just want
to wish my wife pay I'm a happy twenty ninth
wedding anniversary. Going to go out tonight and go to
the FC playoff match, so hopefully we'll bring home a
winner there. As far as the Bengals go. The only
word I have right now is disbelief. I can't believe

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that this team is struggling this bad with as much
talent as they supposedly have.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Have a good one, Yeah, disbelief is a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 31 (01:16:17):
So I realized something about four or five games ago,
and it was bolstered yesterday, and that is people need
to lower their expectations on what this Bengals season is
and can be. This is not a very good team.
The talent disparity between the Eagles Ross and the Bengals
roster was the Grand Canyon yesterday. I mean, other than Burrow,
Chase and Hendrickson, who the Bengals have, it's not a
good roster and they don't have a good head coach.

(01:16:40):
So if you're still trying to talk yourself into them
being a real contender and make it a run, you're
either a homer or an idiot.

Speaker 16 (01:16:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
I've been saying that for weeks.

Speaker 39 (01:16:49):
Hey, fellas, it's Adam, and just like probably everyone else
in this city, I'm crestfallen after losses by the Bengals
and the Bearcat. However, I'm standing at the precipice right now, waiting.
Tell me that I don't have to worry about FC tonight.
Tell me that that I don't have to jump talk

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me down off the wall.

Speaker 16 (01:17:13):
Please.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
I don't know if I can help right now? Can
I throw another stot at you? Austin?

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
You know when you when you're as bad as the
Bengals have been. All these stats come out and at
last Jesse, who works with Sports Illustrated with James Rpene,
tweeted out the first game New England had five punts
against the Bengals. Have you seen the stat of the
last three? In the last three home games against the Ravens,

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Commanders and Eagles, the Bengals have forced a total of
four punts in three straight home games. They have forced
a total of four punts in the game. Crazy so bad,
This is Cordell voorson.

Speaker 40 (01:17:57):
It takes training to be three and five even with
an elite quarterback. Bingles fans are morning today in Monroe,
Brookville and the Aurora. Worst defense, worst play calling, Bengles football.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Thanks Cordell, pro football offensive lineman.

Speaker 41 (01:18:20):
Thank you, thank you, thank you guys for calling out
Duke Tobin. In the Blackburn family, it's always been the
same nothing's changed. People are finally starting to wake up
to what Duke Tobin's doing, or lack of doing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
The guy has a hit on a draft pick in
three years.

Speaker 41 (01:18:36):
He's talking about pieces of pie and how we can't
pay our best players and receivers. I mean, what are
we doing.

Speaker 23 (01:18:44):
It's a joke.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
It's a clown show, and it always has been. Nothing's changed.
A lot of realization going on today. That was our
last one, a lot of struggling going on today. We'll
come back. We have a football in the NATI. Let's
use that Austin to take a little look at what
happened in the rest of the sports world yesterday from

(01:19:07):
an NFL standpoint, college standpoint. We'll do a little bear
catch to kick off the third hour, and then we'll
get to Joe Burrow while I head to Twin Peaks
in Westchester, the Tony and Mo Football Show. This is
Sincy three sixty, the Monday midday quarterback thanks to Cincy
Shirts on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

Speaker 21 (01:19:24):
Mollegger Here, my friends at Sweet Life Flegger join us
at Twin Peaks in Westchester this afternoon as we sift
through yesterday's Bengals lost to the Eagles. It's the Tony
and No Football Show, starting at three oh five on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 7 (01:19:38):
This is Football in THENNETTI on the official home of
the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
All right, let's take a look here on the Monday
midday quarterback here on sincey three to sixty thanks to
Cincy shirts. Let's look across the rest of the NFL
from what was Week eight? How about the Cleveland Browns
Austin without their quarterback, Jameis Winston comes out and goes
twenty seven to forty one, three hundred and thirty four

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yards throws for three touchdowns. They hold Derek Henry to
seventy three yards rushing. Kyle Hamilton dropped an interception at the
end of the game that should have sealed it for
the Ravens. But nonetheless, what do you make of the
Browns finding a way to win yesterday with Jameis Winston
at quarterback against the red hot Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
They all of a sudden become a lot more interesting
because their defense is good enough to win and I
believe in Kevin Stefanski's offense enough with Jamis Winston that
it could be serviceable.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
You've got to be mad if you're a Cleveland fan
of why they didn't go to Winston earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, absolutely, you should be. You should be very mad,
should be very mad at your ownership group to begin with,
getting yourself in this entire mess. But all of a sudden,
I mean, there's belief. And we were talking to our
guy Drew earlier today and he's over there sitting trying
to find ways to the playoffs from three to six.
He's sipping the kool aid. After you beat Baltimore, So
I get it, And I guess that was good for

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the Bengals.

Speaker 16 (01:21:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Sure, I had to check the stats again. Yesterday the
Lions scored fifty two against the Titans and Jared Goff
through for eighty five yards. That's correct, fifty two to
fourteen winners over the Titans. Titans are bad, but the
Lions are really, really good. I still think the Lions
will make a move before the deadline to add a
pass rusher.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
The Lions are just fantastic. I mean, honestly, they are
the definition of attitude, their definition of identity. They're the
definition of complimentary football, and that makes them dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
They take on their coach.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Well yeah, and he said when he was hired that
we're going to take on the identity of the city.
And I truthfully think that's what they do. I think
that they do. They really resonate with their fan base
and with the people in the city of Detroit, and
you know, it just makes them easy to root for
and it makes ford Field a really tough place to play.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Cardinals win a very fun game against the Dolphins, come
from behind. You know, Tua did play.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
At the beginning of the year, I saw a couple
of people picking the Cardinals is a dark horse to
make the playoffs, and I was like, what am I
missing about this team? Well, Kyler's been really good and
you know, there they get some growing pains on offense,
but they've got playmakers and they find ways to win games.
For first Yeah, very NFC West impressed.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
James Connor still a really good running back, Marvin Harrison
Junior is getting a lot better, Trey McBride's one of
the best young tight ends in football. Really good win
for the Arizona Cardinals yesterday. Again a team finding ways
to win versus a team that can't find a way
to win. The Patriots Austin beat the New York Jets.
It's got to be the end for Aaron Rodgers, right, Uh,

(01:22:32):
you would say they just they I don't, I don't
quite understand. I mean, Drake may leaves the game injured
to Kobe Brissett finds a way. Rogers wasn't terrible. He
wasn't good either. I just can't figure out the Jets
and their constant struggles. But they fall to now two
and six on the season after that lost to the
New England Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
There's a great stat about the Jets from our buddy
dan Orlowski from ESPN. In NFL history, there have been
seven hundred and fifty one occurrences in which a team
has scored twenty or more points, did not turn the
ball over, and allowed fewer than two hundred and fifty yards.
Those teams are seven hundred and fifty and one. That

(01:23:16):
the one loss was yesterday the New York Jets. Unreal, unbelievable.
The Atlanta Falcons behind four more touchdown passes from Kirk Cousins.
Kirk would like to play the Buccaneers every every week
if he could four touchdown passes yesterday for Kirk Cousins.
How about Jesse Bates forces a fumble, recover and recovers
and an interception.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
Pretty good player, He's so good man. Falcons beat the
Bucks Packers. I mentioned this earlier. Jordan Love goes out,
Malik Willis comes in, leads a drive to win the game.
At the end of the game, Matt Laflora is fantastic.
That Packers team is so well coached and they beat
a Jaguars team that had their backs against the walls
thirty to twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Yeah, jackson not going to be without Brian Thomas and
Sting Kirk for the foreseeable future. It's going to get
ugly quickly in Jacksonville. And green Bay just finds ways
to win games. It's a It's a sign of a
well coached team.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
One of the craziest things I've ever seen on a
football field happened in the Colts and the Texans game,
and it had nothing to do with a play on
the field. It had to do with the play of
Anthony Richardson, who yesterday Austin laid in that game after
scrambling took himself out of the game. Isn't that crazy.
I've never seen it happen in my life. He took

(01:24:31):
himself out. Flacco comes in, and when I asked about
it after the game, he said, I was tired. I
got it right to please. This is Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 11 (01:24:41):
That was a lot of runner right there that I did,
and I don't think I was gonna be.

Speaker 42 (01:24:45):
Able to do that next place.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
So I just you know, I just told was saying
I just needed a break right there. That's the head
coach of your football team. That's the quarterback, you mean,
the head Yeah, that's the quarterback of your football team
telling the head coach he needed a break. Anthony Richardson
has broke. He's not the guy. Texans find a way
to win. Hey, guess what. Joe Mixon had a hundred

(01:25:07):
and two yards on the ground. I added thirty two
in the air. Texans win again. They did lose Stefon
Diggs for your to toward his a cl yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Really yes, Oh I didn't see that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Yeah, So no Stefan Diggs, no Nico Collins right now
for the Houston Texas. But they find a way to
win again. Uh, as well, what else do we have? Yesterday.
What else. I don't think it was much. Chargers beat
the Saints. That's more about. Saints are just not good.
Neither one of those seas Weld McConkie had a good game.

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Bills just kind of do what they've continued to do.
They go into Seattle, really dominate from start to finish.
They won thirty one to ten.

Speaker 24 (01:25:50):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
Josh Allen was solid. Maari Cooper only had one catch
in the game, but Khalil Shakir had nine for a
buck seven. Kean Coleman, the rookie received, had seventy. The
tight ends combined for eighty one yards in a touchdown.
James Cook ran the ball for over one hundred. Buffalo
seems to be playing pretty good football. The Carolina Panthers
are not good. The Denver Broncos are. The Broncos good

(01:26:14):
under Sean Payton, I think so. Five and three.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Yeah, their defense is taking a step forward with old
friend Vance Joseph.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Not great, not great. We mentioned the Chiefs finding ways
to win. They win twenty seven to twenty. Travis Kelce
ten catches ninety yards, Kareem Hunt scored again. Mahomes looked better.
Chiefs are seven to zero. Wash Rinz repeat Commanders. We
played the audio. They beat the Bears eighteen to fifteen
on the Hail Mary at the end of the game,
and the forty nine Ers down to what feels like

(01:26:44):
their ninth running back. No Brandon Ayuk, no problem. They
take care of the Cowboys. Seedee Lamb had a monster
game thirteen catches a buck, forty six and two touchdowns,
but the Cowboys fall to three and four. Forty nine
Ers moved to four and four. Did we miss anything
All Giant Steelers tonight in a game that uh yeah,

(01:27:06):
not much there, but I'm sure the Steelers will move
to six and two.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
That game will be on the like on the iPad
screen while I'm playing Call of Duty tonight. Okay, yeah,
fair enough.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I got to be not one or in front of
the couch outside of the Bengals losing. Now you're cut
up on what happened in the rest of football. Will
come back. We'll put a bow on hour number two.
We'll talk some college football and the Bearcats to kick
off our three, we'll play some Joe Burrow audio and
then Austen will finish things off while ahead to Westchester
to where the Tony and Moo Football Show. This is
Cincy three to sixty thanks to our friends at Cincy

(01:27:35):
Shirts on the home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty
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Speaker 7 (01:27:38):
You've been listening to Football in the Natti on the
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Speaker 22 (01:27:47):
Cincy three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's Sports Station.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
Welcome back Monday midday quarterback finishing up hour number two
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We've got time
for a call. Let's take Chris's call calling in Covington.
What's up, Chris?

Speaker 15 (01:28:17):
What's going on? Is Coveny? Christmas up?

Speaker 16 (01:28:19):
Tony?

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
What's up that month?

Speaker 25 (01:28:22):
Man?

Speaker 15 (01:28:22):
This is that crazy?

Speaker 16 (01:28:23):
That was a you know, just a I have three
TVs in my house and I throw my hat at
each one of them during that game twa.

Speaker 15 (01:28:33):
I couldn't believe, man, just.

Speaker 16 (01:28:35):
To play call and everything they were doing was just
absolutely crazy. Yeah, you know, and and another thing and
just make it I'll make it shortier. How come they
don't have Paul Brown or Anthony June your statues out
in front of pay Course Stadium. I don't know why,
but they should.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Yeah, I'm with you.
It's it's the frustration is evident, and I see that
from you, I see that from a the people, and uh,
I guess now that the frustration will continue because I don't.
I don't see them making a drastic change over the
course of the season when maybe they should. Again, I don't.
I don't know how lou An Rumo has a job

(01:29:13):
right now with how bad this defense has. It just
doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I don't either.

Speaker 16 (01:29:19):
I mean, he's like bird thirtieth in the league and everything,
and that statue down in Miami, it looks like a
miner ray, you know, a sting ray open his mouth
and get all that, you know, every little piece of
you know, uh in their mouth. That's not him man
at all. It's the silliest. That's the silliest that's you
have ever seen in my life?

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Did you say an.

Speaker 16 (01:29:45):
Yeah, Like they go out and I got their mouth
open all the time. He's just it looks like you're
trying to gaspar man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 21 (01:29:57):
I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
To hear from.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
One thing I didn't have on the Bengo card today
was the Dwayne Wade statue being compared to a Monterey
sting Ray.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Hold on, let me google a Monterey Stingray. Oh my gosh,
that's funny. And Ball pissed off about the statues out front, not.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Just this is where we are when you're three and five.
You played like trash man the old mono Ray. My goodness,
Chris Man, thank you for that, Needa that Chris, thank
you man. When we come back, we'll look at the
college landscape to kick off the third hour.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Used to have a car when he would drive it,
whether or not even sober, he would have a license
plate that said sting Ray r E.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
Y yeah, I'm looking at the sting Ray with the
mouth open. This is interesting. More on this in college
football than you know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
The wage statue was already ruined for me, and now
it's going to just be an entirely different level. Yep, Covington,
Chris sitting there thinking about it. Chris, we appreciate where
you're mind is, guys. I seriously loved that call. That
was fantastic. Thank you, Chris.

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Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
All right, welcome back. It is since he three to
sixty the Monday mid day quarterback thanks to Penn Station
on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati
Sports Station. We've been all Bengals all the time today
and rightfully so a lot to get to. We'll sift
through a lot more in the next time. Going to
play some Joe Burrow audio. Austin will finish up the
hour while I had to twin peaks in Westchester for

(01:32:28):
the Tony and Moe Football Show to see if we
could do three more hours on the Cincinnati Bengals. But
also over the weekend a lot of college football action,
including a tough loss for the Cincinnati Bearcats in Colorado.
I will say this before anything else, Austin, what Dion
Sanders has done and is doing in Colorado for anyone

(01:32:53):
that you may hate it, you may love it. It's working.
It is a show. It's a spectacle. Stars come out,
they show up. That place was rocking, the scenery is
beautiful and well. I know he got a lot of
love last year and they didn't really perform. I think

(01:33:14):
Colorado's a good football team. They are four and one
in the Big Twelve. They essentially control their own destiny
to get to the Big Twelve title game, and I
think they have four winnable games left. They are fast
and physical. Defensively, I've been on the sideline forever UC
football game this year. That's the hardest hitting I've seen.

(01:33:35):
It's the most talent athleticism wise that I've seen a
team offensively possess. Most said it and I have a
hard time going against it. Travis Hunter may very well
be the best college football player I've ever seen play.
He's great, had four pass breakups on defense. He dominated
offensively nine catches one hundred and fifty three yards and

(01:33:56):
two touchdowns on nine targets. He plays over one hundred snaps.
Game Shirdor Sanders was twenty five to thirty for three
twenty three and two touchdowns. That's a good football team
you see, unfortunately lost in a way that it feels
all too familiar with fans this year. If you go

(01:34:16):
back to multiple games this season, some they've overcome, some
they haven't. But if you start against Pitt, where they
did have the twenty one point lead, but right before
the half they missed a twenty plus yard field goal,
Pitt went down and got points, the momentum completely shifted.
They won at Miami, but going into the half, Joe
roy Are, stretching for a touchdown, fumbled the ball into

(01:34:37):
the end zone. Big momentum swing against Texas Tech. The
game in the balance going into the half, a chance
to gain all the momentum, they miss a makeable field goal.
Texas Tech takes all the momentum back. They also missed
a field goal at the end of that Texas Tech game,
which resulted in the loss against UCF. Same story, miss
a makeable kick going into the half. Things get dicey

(01:34:59):
in the second half. Metum changes, Arizona State, missed field
goal going into the half. You can't make the stuff up,
and yet it continues to happen. And again against Colorado
going into the half, it's a game that's in the balance.
It's seventeen to fourteen and UC's got the ball they

(01:35:21):
had just finally stopped. Colorado held them to a field
goal seventeen to fourteen, and you're thinking, man, go down
and get points, and this game's tied at the half
at worst. Instead, the Bearcats get right across midfield. They
go forward on fourth and one, they empty the backfield
and they ran Brendan Soarsby on a quarterback sneak out

(01:35:42):
a shotgun which gets stopped, and a couple plays later
they have a defensive breakdown where Travis Hunter gets past
the defense and you go from hopefully being tied to
having to lead to it very worst, being down three
to being down ten at the half. The Bearcats never
recovered offensively. They were taken out a rhythm from the start.
Brennan Sowarsby just went sixteen of thirty for a buck eighty.

(01:36:04):
Didn't get much from Xavier Henderson. One catch on the
night Joe Royer I thought was fantastic. Tony Johnson the
running game and Corey Kiner and Evan Pryor was awesome.
They run the ball so hard, they ran it for
five yards of carry, but they never found a way
to get into that rhythm and they lose a tough
game to the Colorado Buffalos. I thought it was more

(01:36:24):
about how impressive Colorado was, but for the Bearcats, a
lot of now holding your breath. Luke Candra left that
game on a cart. They're all world left guard. Gotta
wait on what's next for Luke Candra. They have a
bye week, they have a game coming up against West
Virginia nip at noon again, another noon game for the

(01:36:47):
Cincinnati Bearcats. On November ninth, They'll take on the West
Virginia Mountaineers. But I left Colorado more impressed with Colorado
than I was disappointed with UC. Did you have a
chance to watch much of it, Austin, and if so,
what was your takeaway?

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Be honest, Tony, I didn't see any of the game.
I saw a couple of uha, word for it. I
saw a couple of Travis Hunter highlights. He's pretty good
at creating separation'believable. He's pretty good altogether. And obviously, talking
to you and Moe at the Grail yesterday, most that
he thinks he's the best college player he's ever seen,
which says a lot for a guy who's seen a

(01:37:24):
lot of good college players. So, uh yeah, I mean,
just hearing you talk about it. I really did not
have a chance to see the game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
But I know you had a chance to see Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
I did watch.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
What was your takeaway from the bucket?

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
I even I barely got to watch them because I
was working. But here's the thing with Ohio State. Their
offensive and defensive lines are not good enough to win
a national championship, and they don't have a good enough
quarterback to overcome that. And because of that, they're just
not that good. I they they're just not I said

(01:37:58):
it to you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
They if outside of mccorley, if they've had any quarterback
they've had in the last five to ten years, they're
probably the national championship favorite. The offensive weapons are that good. Yeah,
and I just don't see it in him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
You know, I would push back on that a little
bit and say I put more blame on Ryan Day
okay than most why I don't like his play calling. Okay, Yeah,
I just don't like his play calling. I don't like
his offensive philosophy. And if there's been one, you know,

(01:38:33):
overriding theme of Ryan's time at Ohio State, it's that
they're really soft up front.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
You said you looked as well, or it looks you
watch a lot more house. You can tell when Chip
Kelly's calling plays.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Oh yeah, the drive where they won the game essentially
against who are we talking about? Nebraska? Yeah, like you
could tell that was not like that was one where
like Ryan's just like all right, Ship, you got it. Yeah,
And they just did whatever they wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
But but they did find a way to win. They did,
and now set up a matchup with her already I
think four and a half five point favorites on the
road at Penn State.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
I don't see, truthfully, do not see how they beat
Penn State or Indiana.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
Crazy right, Like Indiana. I'll give Indiana a ton of
credit winning without their starting quarterback as well, I thought
that was a good win.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
I know some people will yell at me for this,
but I would not be surprised if Ohio State finishes
with four losses. Wow, and not in the twelve team. Yeah,
absolutely not, which would be incredible. It would be it'd
be bad, bad, bad, bad bad.

Speaker 4 (01:39:39):
The rest of the college football slate over the last weekend.
Oregon dominated Illinois. Penn State that was your upset pick.
Penn State looked really good. Yeah, Penn State looked good
against Wisconsin. Texas they win, but I thought that was
more about Vanderbilt showing that they can they can hang
around twenty seven to twenty four. Miami decimated Florida State

(01:40:01):
and then took all kinds of shots at Florida State
from a recruiting standpoint, which they should after the game.
Texas A and M had Brian Kelly and shambles BYU.
Somehow we're getting points at UCF. They beat UCF and
then Gus mals On fired as defensive coordinator. Today, I
thought one of the most impressive wins of the weekend
was what Notre Dame did to Navy, hanging up fifty

(01:40:21):
one points and just giving up fourteen. Mentioned Indiana, Alabama
dominated Missouri, Kansas State owns Kansas. They beat Kansas twenty
nine to twenty seven. Oklahoma football is a mess. Old
miss beats Oklahoma twenty six to fourteen, and SMU finds
ways to win, winning against Duke in overtime. That team
has one loss and I think still moving in the

(01:40:43):
right direction. Do we have the updated rankings yet?

Speaker 17 (01:40:46):
All?

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
By the way, Miami of Ohio beat Central Michigan and
Chuck Martin became the all time winning as coach at Miami.
Congratulations Chuck Love and honor. Yes, congratulations day to Chuck Martin.
The new AP pole is out. Oregon, Georgia, Penn State,
Ohio State, Miami round out the top five. BYU jumps

(01:41:07):
to nine, Iowa State out of the big twelve. Is
that eleven? Clemson just kind of hovering right there, also
ranked eleventh, Indiana thirteen, LSU drops all the way back
to sixteen. And how about the Colorado Buffalos Austin are
up to number twenty three in the country. Yeah, I
think they're a good team. I do think they're a

(01:41:29):
good You.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Are sipping on that primetime kool aid.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
I sip on the primetime kool aid. It's cool, man.
It's like I said the Dog and Pony Show. It
works out there because people show up. That place was electric.
The sidelines were unbelievable. Now they only had about six
yards on the sidelines, but those six yards were unbelievable.
But a fun place to play a college football game.

(01:41:54):
And kudos to Colorado and coach Prime and what they're
putting together. It's a bye week, as I mentioned for
UC Ohio State at Penn State, that's a noon start Saturday, right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Yeah, Okay. If there's one thing Ohio State has working
for him, it's that it's at noon. And Drew Aller
is hurt. Allor Aller, Alor Allor.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
I think you're asking the wrong person.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
You know what, You're right, you thought as you're.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Asking the wrong person. Yeah, all right, let's take a
break week.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
Next week is college game Day and big noon kickoff,
both at Penn State.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
Okay, so all right, we'll take a break. We'll come
back and you'll hear from the quarterback of the Cincinnati Bengals,
Joe Burrow, meeting with the members of the media yesterday
after the Bengals fall to the Philadelphia Eagles on a
day where they went ten to thirteen on third downs

(01:42:47):
and didn't punt and yet lost by twenty. More on
that when we come back the Monday Midday Quarterback thanks
to our friends at Penn Station on ESPN fifteen thirty
Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 7 (01:42:58):
Now you're espnify, the official home.

Speaker 23 (01:43:01):
Of the Bengals.

Speaker 22 (01:43:02):
Sincey three sixty is back on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's
Sports Station.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
Welcome back, since he three sixty rolled along hour number
three of the Monday Midday Quarterback thanks to our friends
at Penn Station. It was interesting listening to Joe Burrow
yesterday because the stuff I heard was the right stuff
you want to hear, but just doesn't have the same
feel behind the words. And if you watched the press conference,
the look, in my opinion, didn't really match what was

(01:43:35):
being said. You want the quarterback to say what he did,
but you gotta have a hard time wondering does does
he believe truly with what he's saying. But here's what
Joe Burrow had to say after yesterday's loss to the
Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 23 (01:43:50):
I'm not entirely sure how to answer it. Obviously, it's
not good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Put James after the prest shot.

Speaker 23 (01:44:00):
Well, first half it moves about.

Speaker 43 (01:44:01):
Well, you know, we stalled out on on the other
two drives, made one field goal, missed the other one.

Speaker 23 (01:44:09):
Uh, first drive, second half went down, scored a touchdown,
and then after that it was didn't get on fourth
down through a pick and then we fumbled. So uh,
you know it was those three drives really that you know,
puts behind what happened on fourth down through it to

(01:44:33):
Jamari got tackled.

Speaker 41 (01:44:34):
Was that the initial play call or did you change
go to that or did you s what did you
see on their defense?

Speaker 23 (01:44:40):
Yeah, they're playing, man, they got any good play, that's uh.
You know, we weren't able to to convert their.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Driving kind of struggle to get to going on the
ground today in effect.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
You know what you guys were able to do offenselation.

Speaker 23 (01:44:57):
Yeah, they got a good front, and so when you're
when you're struggling running like that, then you know their
pass rushers start to tee off a little bit. And
we knew that going in. We knew their front was good.
They were gonna be disruptive, and we knew we were
gonna have to score points, and we didn't score enough
points today.

Speaker 13 (01:45:16):
Did you score.

Speaker 8 (01:45:17):
I mean, you gotta go seven for seven on you
first seven third downs, end up ten thirteen, you're a
converted on third and twenty two. Those kind of numbers
were kind of surprising to see the final score of
the games. Just those computers, it just the turnovers in
the fourth bound out together.

Speaker 23 (01:45:32):
Yeah, I mean we were down, you know, after we
you know, we were tied. Then we didn't get the
fourth down. Uh, and then they kicked a field goal.
We're down ten at that point.

Speaker 11 (01:45:45):
Uh.

Speaker 23 (01:45:46):
And then that they'd pick and at that point, you know,
it was uphill battle.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
And what do you feel like today and resolve? The
way it went down says about your guys team and
where you guys were at in terms of an ability
to dig out of this hole.

Speaker 23 (01:45:58):
Right now, we're not good enough. We're not good enough,
so we gotta get better.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Like to just say, something's gotta change. What do you
think has to change?

Speaker 42 (01:46:05):
Well, if we all ever kind of figure out where
to play better, you'll have especially it's these good bots.

Speaker 23 (01:46:09):
It's gotta take responsibility for for how we're playing individually.
Just gotta focus on what you can do better to
to help your team win. I don't think anybody was
good enough today.

Speaker 19 (01:46:20):
It's I frustrating that for the last couple of years
you guys have really struggled in short yard situations.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
I mean the the third and one that I was
talking about the fourth down.

Speaker 19 (01:46:29):
But has it been frustrating for you that that's kind
of been a theme.

Speaker 21 (01:46:32):
The last couple of years?

Speaker 23 (01:46:33):
I would say that, Yeah, how much is just not
any really get the running game?

Speaker 14 (01:46:38):
When this season?

Speaker 23 (01:46:39):
How much has it impacted.

Speaker 21 (01:46:40):
Your ability to just kind of manage the games, control
time of possessions.

Speaker 23 (01:46:46):
Just how much is that impact?

Speaker 13 (01:46:47):
Can you not being able to consistently never run.

Speaker 43 (01:46:49):
An Yeah, we we ran it well the first you know,
after the first game, we ran it well for a
couple of weeks in a row.

Speaker 23 (01:46:56):
There, you know, the last couple of weeks haven't been
good enough. Uh, And you know it's ah when you
play good rushers like we have the last several weeks,
you know, you gotta keep my balance and be able
to run the ball. And if you don't, then you
know they're not gonna be quite as worried about it,

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and then their edge guys and are gonna start getting
pushed and Uh, A play action is not gonna be
as good. So then you know you gotta drop back
and uh make plays and that's what that's what those
kind of teams want, and so that's Uh, it's tough
when you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
Can't how much you do those things there or to
do things change when you don't have Tea.

Speaker 23 (01:47:36):
And or Orlando as you lost the lad on the
second actiode. Yeah, whenever you don't have some of your
best players, it's always makes it tough. But that's not
it's no excuse.

Speaker 7 (01:47:45):
You know, you're we're.

Speaker 23 (01:47:46):
Going out there with the guys that we have. That's
the NFL. You're expected to go out and and play
well and play after the our standard. And you know,
it was nice to see Germaine make a play today.
I think I think Jermaine's gonna be a good player.
He's gonna he continues to get open, and we're gonna
continue that dialogue that quarterbacks and and receivers have to have.

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You know, I think he played well today, and I
think the guys that uh stood in for Tea, you know,
played pretty well today.

Speaker 42 (01:48:17):
Did you feel like this was a game He'll day
in work for all the show that y'all can be
kind of huld go if you want to an end
of the year, did you feel like that company to
this one?

Speaker 23 (01:48:26):
You know, obviously would have been good to get this one.
You know, it's not how it worked out. You know,
let's just go back to wash the tape and get better. Yeah, obviously,
you you wanna win every game, that's that's ideal, but

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you gotta adapt to whatever your record is and adapt
to how you're playing. Uh So we'll do that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
How close are you to the whole league?

Speaker 36 (01:48:57):
Too deep?

Speaker 16 (01:48:57):
Today?

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
Out of that's a team.

Speaker 23 (01:49:04):
You know, I always you know, I think think ten
wins usually gets in. Uh So we got we gotta
win seven out of nine. That's doable. That's doable. So
we'll go from there.

Speaker 44 (01:49:24):
Do you feel like after that fourth down stop where
they get a field goal and go up ten, do
you feel like you kind of debated from the game
plans started chasing from there, and that's kind of what
you dug him into a deeper role.

Speaker 23 (01:49:37):
You know, at that point you gotta you gotta drive
back and throw it. And we got a couple of
completions there. You know, it just really came down to,
you know, if we go down and score touch on
that drive them we're down three, We're still in it.
You know, the interception was was tough. A guy made
a good play. You know, I left it a little short.

(01:49:57):
You know, I would like to have that one back obviously,
And then after that they go around and I believe
they score it again. At that point, then uh, games
pretty much over.

Speaker 21 (01:50:10):
Did you feel like at.

Speaker 42 (01:50:10):
That point when you uh, when you live all the intercepts,
did you feel like y'all just needed to play? You
just needed to find your morn and you shot Like
what what kind of predicated did you make that decision
to say, hey, holling your tests?

Speaker 23 (01:50:19):
Yeah, that was that was the call. You know, safety
was was cheated over there, so I just tried to
give him a a chance and just left it a
little too short.

Speaker 42 (01:50:28):
You feel like, not just where y'all off in the game,
but when you weren't you out of the season. That's
kind of a point where y'all just needed a play
like that and regardless what the outcome.

Speaker 13 (01:50:35):
Was gonna be.

Speaker 23 (01:50:37):
Yeah, That's It's something I always try to balance, is
you know, when things aren't going your way, trying not
to be U try not to do too much. I
don't think that was trying to do too much. I
just guy made a good play.

Speaker 10 (01:50:54):
Right hold for her home This year, what has it
been that you guys haven't been able to kick the
John Hounsons.

Speaker 23 (01:50:59):
Then haven't made the players to to win the game.
I don't think it has anything to do with being
at home or being on the road. It's just those
those games they haven't made plays with Pee ho.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Hey, how much do you feel for for two step.

Speaker 32 (01:51:11):
Backs and practice?

Speaker 28 (01:51:12):
And know how hard he works Hotel that's before.

Speaker 23 (01:51:15):
Yeah, that's that's tough.

Speaker 13 (01:51:18):
You know T.

Speaker 23 (01:51:19):
I know T wants to be out there with us,
and and he works really hard to to be out there,
and he's a great player. Uh So it's obviously tough
when for for everybody team in particular when he's not
out there.

Speaker 19 (01:51:32):
I know that there's only so much you can control
from a inv individual's standpoint, But how much has this
season challenged you from leadership standpoint in finding the balance
that you're talking about between staying positive but also the
accountability that's necessary for a team at three and five?

Speaker 23 (01:51:49):
Yeah, it's challenging, you know, I don't think I don't
think anybody's been good enough so far to to go
and win the games that we needed to.

Speaker 8 (01:52:00):
Their defense, their defensive quarter has been around long time,
seven different teams changes things up. Was the second half
light as opposed to the first.

Speaker 23 (01:52:10):
Half of tend.

Speaker 43 (01:52:13):
You know, he just was rolling through his calls, you know,
not not giving away any tells.

Speaker 23 (01:52:19):
You know, the linebackers are doing a good job moving
pre and post snap to to not give away rotation. Uh,
you know, there was never you know, they didn't have
any coverage tendencies for any of our formations. They were
just kind of calling it and so you know that

(01:52:41):
makes it tough on the quarterback. But I felt I
saw it all day.

Speaker 4 (01:52:45):
All right there You heard of Joe Burrow speaking to
members of the media yesterday after the loss to the Eagles.
The Raiders are next for the Cincinnati Bengals. Next for me,
I'm heading north to Westchester for the Tony and Moll
Football Show. Austin's gonna finish things up the rest of
the way here on the one day Midday Quarterback on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station thanks to Penn Station.

Speaker 35 (01:53:05):
High prices are like a moneyback, you sucking your wallet rush.

Speaker 21 (01:53:09):
It's Moegar miss anything from my show or from Sincy
three to sixty. The good news is you can get
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Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Welcome back Monday midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty. My name
is Austin Elmore. Joined in fifteen minutes from right now
by Moegar and Tony Pike Twin Peaks, Westchester, Tony and
mo Football Show coming up this afternoon three to six.
They'll sift through the Bengals issues, the Bearcats loss in Boulder,

(01:54:05):
and more. You know, I was at the game yesterday
and I thought it was really cool. It was fun
to see the white out in person for the first time.
But I could also since there's a lot of people
that really don't care about that, really don't care about

(01:54:25):
that anymore, don't care about the cool looking helmets or
the stadium experience if you don't win. Heard from some
season ticket holders recently that have gotten their renewals that
are a little bit heftier and heavier on the pocket

(01:54:48):
than what we've seen over the last couple of years,
and it's just a really tough spot for the fans
to be in. I look back over the last couple
of years, and I look it Obviously, twenty twenty one
was special. In twenty twenty two they went right back
to the AFC Championship game, and they had so many
elements of what that twenty twenty two team was or

(01:55:10):
twenty twenty one team was. And in twenty twenty three,
I felt like was pretty similar, especially when Joe Burrow
was healthy. Despite the fact that the defense wasn't very good,
they were able to figure it out enough to be
in the conversation. Obviously, Burrow goes down and the season
gets derailed, and yet they were still competitive. This feels

(01:55:34):
like all of that is gone now, And I wonder
if sometimes in the NFL there's these three year windows
where you've got to be able to change. After the
third year, you've got to to make a move, whether
it's a coach or a player or whatever it might be.
And the Bengals did make a move. Obviously, Brian Callahan

(01:55:57):
goes to Tennessee and Dan Pitcherd takes over, and most
people would would say that the elements of the offense
and the structure of the offense has changed for the better,
the execution maybe not so much. And the loudest thing
I hear from fans right now, and I see from

(01:56:18):
fans on social media right now, is that is that
Zach Taylor needs to be fired and that this is
all on Zach Taylor. And I think that Sunday's game,
Zach deserves a good chunk of the blame. The third
down situation, the fourth down call. We've talked about it
a lot. Those are inexcusable mistakes by the head coach

(01:56:41):
of this football team. I agree with that one hundred percent,
and I have defended Zach a lot, probably more than
I should. I've stood by that, I continue to stand
by that. But yesterday he made a mistake that hurt
this team and significantly hurt their chances of winning. But
watching the film, I see a game plan that I

(01:57:05):
thought made sense for Philadelphia and created some open receivers
and created some chunk plays. But Marius Mims gets beat
on what would have been a touchdown to Jamar Chase Burrow,
bails on some plays, drops his eyes a little bit early,
misses some deep passes that he could have made. The

(01:57:26):
forced outside of the pocket stuff like that, holding penalties,
the one call that brought one back. It's like it
was just clunky at times yesterday, and it felt like
they just didn't fully reach their potential. And so, on
one hand, you've got all these people saying Zach Taylor
needs to be fired and the offensive play calling is

(01:57:49):
a problem. I've got news for you. If you think
the offensive play calling is why this team is three
and five, you don't know anything about football. This team
is not three and five because of the offensive play calling.
That is not their biggest issue. It hurt them in
a big situation yesterday, but it is not the reason

(01:58:09):
they lost that game, not in my opinion. It's that
their defense continues to stink. Actually, their defense continues to suck.
They've got one good player and he didn't even show
up against Fred Johnson yesterday. Louis an rumo. It seems
like can no longer press the right buttons. For a
guy who pressed every button the right way for two

(01:58:30):
and a half years, he can't press any of them correctly.
Now your special teams unit has stunk. Evan McPherson is
no longer a threat. That's a problem. So on one hand,
I've got all these people talking about Zach Taylor. On
the other hand, it's like, well, it's Duke Tobin's fault
and the personnel on the team sucks, and that they're
not good enough and Mike Brown's never gonna commit to

(01:58:52):
scouting and blah blah blah blah blah. I think that's
true too. I think the personnel department sucks. I think Louiann,
I think Tobin has not done a good enough job.
They have missed on draft after draft, and they may
have finally gotten a couple of guys, a couple of
contributors in this draft, but is it too late considering
the fact that we've seen two draft classes in a

(01:59:13):
row prior to this one not show up the way
you needed them to. Fans are in this tough spot because,
you know, speaking about Zach specifically, if you look at
the Kevin O'Connell's and the Matt Laflores and the Kyle
Shanahans of the world, and Tony talked about this a
little bit briefly earlier. They're finding ways to win with

(01:59:35):
guys like Malik Willis and Jordan Mason and Sam Darnold
and so on. They are maximizing the personnel that they have,
and I look at the roster over the last couple
of years, and part of my defense for Zach Taylor
has been I think between him and Joe Burrow together

(02:00:00):
they can get the most out of this team, and
they had done that to the point where they had
been very successful in back to back years in the playoffs,
and I believe that that doesn't just disappear. I still
believe that that is the core in the foundation of
who they are and they can continue to be that.

(02:00:20):
That's what I've always thought, especially after last season when
they were really good when he was healthy and so
those other situations, and even with Brock Perdy, you are
relying on the quarterback or you're relying on the head
coach to get the most out of the quarterback and
thus the most out of the offense, getting the most

(02:00:40):
out of your personnel. I've always felt like with a
good coach and Zach Taylor in a great quarterback in
Joe Burrow, they can get that same effect, and this
offense can be highly functioning and they can figure it out.
And they've been top ten in scoring and they've made
those deep playoff runs and they've had injuries, and now
the defense has betrayed them. It's fallen apart for two

(02:01:03):
years in a row. It hurt them multiple times this
season and lost them games. The Washington game, the Baltimore game.
You flip those two. This entire season is entirely different.
If the defense had been healthy, and if the defense
had just been better, everything's different in this season. I
seriously believe that. But now you're in this tough situation

(02:01:24):
because the way I see it, I'm wondering was I
naive in thinking that Joe and Zach could be that
duo that really brings them out of this, because it
doesn't seem like they're getting the maximum potential out of
this group. The run game makes no sense. It is

(02:01:46):
not dependable, it's not consistent. The offense as a whole
is not consistent, and as Tony has said, the Verbia
Cheese used it disappears at times, and I agree with that,
But I don't buy any means think it's a team
that can't win and can't operate at a high level

(02:02:06):
offensively on the defensive side of the ball. I don't
know how you continue doing what you're doing and believe
that you are going to win. Difficult conversations have to
be had about lou Ane Rumo, about his play calling,
about the players on this team, about the other coaches
on defense, about what they have to do to get better,

(02:02:30):
because there has been regression, there has been a lack
of development, and there is no confidence whatsoever on this
defense's ability to get stops in big moments. They do
it when they play the Giants in the Browns. That's fine,
good for you. You can defend Daniel Jones and Deshaun Watson.

(02:02:53):
I said it against after Carolina, I said it after Washington.
This team is going nowhere with a defense that bad,
so there's plenty of blame to go around. I don't
think that Zach Taylor's play calling in the grand scheme

(02:03:13):
of this season is the biggest issue for where this
team is where they are at. There have been issues,
and yesterday was one of them, But I don't look
at it and say that's the number one reason why
this team is where it's at. You know the difference
between the Bengals and those Packers and Vikings and Niners

(02:03:34):
and Lions and teams like that. They play complimentary football.
I'm gonna keep pounding that drum. Special teams for the
Bengals is essentially useless. They got them a touchdown last week. Okay,
that's good. That happens every once in a while. Evan
McPherson is no longer a weapon from outside of fifty yards.
Punt game, eh, punt return game, Uh nothing. Special defense stinks.

(02:03:59):
Can't help the offense has not done a good enough
job of consistently helping the defense. They just don't really
do anything right. There's a lot of blame to go around.
But if this team really has changed about their philosophy
when it comes to building a team and building a
winner and being serious about winning for the entirety of

(02:04:21):
Joe Burrow's career, well, then there are difficult decisions and
conversations that have to be had and made over the
next couple of weeks. That's going to determine whether or
not they truly are in an aggressive pursuit of a championship.
You have to consider trading t Higgins. You have to

(02:04:42):
you have to consider trading for a defender. You have
to consider firing coaches. You have to consider moving on
from people in this organization. If you are serious about
trying to win. We're gonna learn a lot about this
team and a lot of this organization over the next
few weeks. Are you serious or not about trying to

(02:05:05):
win a championship? And have you changed the old ways
that you are criticized for incessantly. That's what we're gonna
find out about this team and this organization of the
next couple of weeks. We'll talk to Tony and Mo next.
This is Monday Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty. Hey, it's
Muleger Joint.

Speaker 22 (02:05:25):
Cincy three sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station.
It's time for Sincy three sixty quick.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
Hits on ESPN fifteen Yes, indeed, it is welcome in.
We now go out the Twin Peaks in Westchester. Tony
and Moe standing by for the Tony and Mo Football Show. Hello, boys,
Have we caught up on sleep at all?

Speaker 16 (02:05:47):
I have?

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (02:05:49):
Uh?

Speaker 21 (02:05:49):
The Hail Mary was caught the commanders when my eyes
shut reopened at seven thirty this morning.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
So that was roughly twelve hours of sleep.

Speaker 21 (02:06:00):
Twelve glorious hours of sleep, and I feel like a
half million bucks.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
No nightmares about the Bengals after their loss to the Eagles.
I take it, but no I live that.

Speaker 21 (02:06:09):
Oh okay, yeah, I mean you know it's it's that
was reality. There's unfortunately, that's our unfortunate reality. No, I
didn't have any dreams or nightmares about the Bengals, so
that was that was why this sleep was so pleasant.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
It seems there are two trains of thought. One is
it's all Zach Taylor's fault and he should be fired,
and the other is it's all Duke Tobin's fault because
this team isn't good enough. Is the truth somewhere in
the middle.

Speaker 21 (02:06:36):
Yes, yeah, this isn't a good enough roster. Look at
the two teams yesterday who had the better roster? Philadelphia Eagles,
who are not I think considered elite. Defensively, Trey Hendrickson
had a bad game and he's allowed man, you know,
Fred Johnson whatever, nobody else can touch the quarterback. Who

(02:06:58):
else in this defense makes difference? And like they've invested
early round draft choices, who else in this defense can
make a difference. They also chose not to bring back
von or bring back Jesse Bates. I watch Von Bell, yes, wey.
Unfortunately they chose to bring him back, So that's on Duke.
But offensively, this team's ceiling still seems low, and Zach
Taylor's the play caller.

Speaker 34 (02:07:20):
So I don't know.

Speaker 21 (02:07:23):
Look, they're three and five. That's no one person's fault.
It's not due to injury. They're three and five. They
don't have a good enough roster. But it also feels
like the talent they have have on offense is not
being maximized. And that's been a recurring theme now for
a while. So I don't know how you don't examine
how Duke Tobin is doing his job, and I don't

(02:07:44):
know how you don't examine how Zach Taylor is doing his, which,
by the way, the Bengals did in twenty twenty. Like
people forget about this. Mike Brown issued a statement two
days after the season ended in support of Zach Taylor.
Why because they thought about moving on. I don't know
if this continues, how that's something you don't do.

Speaker 2 (02:08:05):
I ask you this.

Speaker 21 (02:08:07):
I think in any business, if you're thinking about someone's
future and it's even a remote possibility that you let
them go, don't you ask God? Will our competitors make
us pay for this? Well, our competitors snatch this guy up.
Think Zach Taylor is a guy that's gonna have five
or six interviews on the days after Black Monday if

(02:08:28):
the Bengals were to let him go. What advantage does
he give the Bengals? Is it motivational? Is it tactical?
Like so and not the first to acknowledge, I think
Zach's done a lot of really good things here. I
don't think he gets enough credit for the Super Bowl
run in twenty twenty one. Man, But it's not about that.
It's about maximizing what you have and for a while now,

(02:08:48):
like Tony and I talked about this last week, the
offensive lulls. That's not a new thing. That's not a
new thing whatsoever. Uh, And then you know we're gonna
talk in great detail. You have all read the third
and one and fourth and one yesterday. You know what
the troubling thing about that to me was I wasn't surprised.
Was angry, but I wasn't surprised. And I think that

(02:09:12):
says something about the faith I have in the person
who is in charge of calling the plays. I know
Joe checks out of one run into another, like I
get it. But yeah, man, if this team finishes with
a losing record, that's failure. Failure dictates you do some
self examination. If this continues, how do you not do

(02:09:33):
some self examination as it relates to the person who
picks the players, the person who coaches them.

Speaker 2 (02:09:38):
Why do you think there's been such a shift in
blame towards Duke Tobin Because I don't remember this being
a thing in years past when they would lose, like
when they would underperform. I don't remember so much blame
going to Duke Tobin. But now all of a sudden,
it feels like there's more of that.

Speaker 21 (02:09:56):
Yeah. I think it's because Duke Tobin's role is more
well known publicly, like that used to be just aimed
at Mike Brown. Oh, I think now we know the
facto GM, right. We know that Duke has a significant
role in assembling the football team. He doesn't speak often publicly,
but he is the voice and face of the Bengals
player personnel decisions. By the way, remember he sat there

(02:10:19):
at the lectern twenty nineteen and it was, you know,
made very well known Zach Taylor was Duke Tobin's guy.
So I think that's the reason. And look, I'm the
first to admit man or acknowledge. Duke Tobin has had
some huge successes. You know, we talked about bj Hill
being one of the best trades the Bengals have made.
The decisions they made in the off season, where they

(02:10:40):
say goodbye to William Jackson, say hello to Chootobia Woozier,
say goodbye to Carl Lawson, say hello to Trey Hendrickson.
Like good moves, good moves, but you know, it's a
little bit easier to make good moves when you could
just throw money at your problems. Can't do that so
much now, And in that regard, Duke Tobin hasn't gotten
the job done.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
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time for Locks of the Night on since E three sixty.
Let's make you some I've been told that there's some
movement in securing a sponsor. Uh I've not heard anything

(02:11:17):
officially yet. Uh So I don't know what to say.
But are you going to offer a Lock of the
Night selection tonight or are you done with that?

Speaker 21 (02:11:27):
Play the open again?

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
Okay, hold on, let me see if hold on, let
me pull it up here. I got to do the
thing where I do Okay, did I put.

Speaker 21 (02:11:35):
You on the spot here? It's hard.

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
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Speaker 21 (02:11:47):
I don't know about you. I didn't hear a sponsor.

Speaker 2 (02:11:49):
No, I didn't know. No, I haven't had time to
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you're done. You're not giving any more locks. I don't
know how.

Speaker 21 (02:11:59):
I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
This is hard to understand.

Speaker 21 (02:12:01):
I just would be the last week unless there's a
sponsor and when I get my cut. So I haven't
been given the memo, you know, sort of detailing what
my cut is. Sure, And I didn't hear a sponsor
on the open. I hear there was a meeting today
with a potential sponsor. Okay, that's that's fine, but it's
you know, there's a difference in life between potential and real,

(02:12:22):
and when it's real is when you play that open
and there's there's a sponsor. And so I made this
abundantly clear last week. But part of the reason that
I slept so well is I didn't have to get
up and do research for this segment.

Speaker 12 (02:12:33):
I kind of like it.

Speaker 21 (02:12:34):
Yeah, and I don't I don't have to get up
at six o'clock in the morning and start crunching the numbers.

Speaker 2 (02:12:39):
I do.

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Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
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Speaker 21 (02:12:50):
Until this, until this segment is sponsored, and until I
know what my cut is, there will be no more
Locks of the night.

Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
That is what we call standing on business. No sponsor.

Speaker 21 (02:12:59):
A man who walk of the night is I'm having
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Speaker 13 (02:13:04):
You know.

Speaker 21 (02:13:04):
Beyond that, dude, you know I'm sorry. No sponsor, no segment,
all right, sponsor, no luck.

Speaker 2 (02:13:11):
All right, Mo, thank you so much. We'll be listening
from three to six this afternoon. Enjoy the show, all right.
That is Moe Egger. He is with Tony Pike, Tony
and Mo Football Show three to six live at Twin
Peaks in Westchester. Stop by, ask Moe nicely. He'll give
you his Monday Night football lock. Also coming up tonight

(02:13:36):
on ESPN fifteen thirty. When they're done. MLS Cup playoff
action FC Cincinnati at home in the opening round match
number one of a best of three series against NYCFC.
Tommy g and the Boys will be on the call
as the Orange and Blue look to get back to
the Eastern Conference Finals and hopefully get two MLS Cup.

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That'll do it for us. Moe and Toni are next.
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