November 18, 2025 • 38 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss Ja'Marr Chase's spitting incident, the lousy collective and individual effort by the Bengals defense, Trey Hendrickson, and more.
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Speaker 2 (02:23):
We are. We are going to figure out how to
have to turn on your microphone.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Oh well, there you are. Yes, it's me all right man,
you good. I've been in your seat before. I've seen
that panic look. I've worn that panic expression before.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Kind of looks like a Bengals linebacker. That kind of
looks like a Bengal safety. Yeah, kind of looks like
a Bengals defensive.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Coordinator, except he's trying. Kind of looks like a Bengals fan.
I'm glad you're here. There's a lot to discuss in
this sea of anger and bad takes. I was I
was happy to read your piece on Jamarch. Okay, yeah,
(03:00):
because it can't And we're not going to talk about
this for an hour because I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Think you want to. I mean whatever, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I honestly think there's larger issues to discuss and frankly,
more interesting things to discuss. But sure, he is arguably
their best player. He's one of the stars of this league.
He did something that has gotten him suspended. We'll see
if his appeal is heard to the degree that the
punishment is overturned. We will see, but in this sea
(03:29):
of just like bad takes your piece. I nodded along
as I read every single word.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, my take on it.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, it's kind of funny because I think over the
course of this year, and we've talked about it in
a number of different places, you and I about maybe
one of the underrated storylines of this entire season was
Jamar's growth as a person, as a player, as a leader,
as a sort of as a teammate, and as as
(04:00):
a focal point of the type of person they want
to build this organization around. I mean, it used to
be where you went right to Jamar after a game
and just couldn't wait to hear what he's gonna pop
off about it, or you'd see him on the field
doing other things or whatever. Just it was, you know,
he never was a captain, even when he was really
good young and younger. He's a young player, a young person.
(04:23):
You really saw him grow over the course of this
year and even the tail end of last year and
through the contract stuff, and I think the way that
a lot of that even was handled it was just notable.
And so for then this to happen and then it
all turns into this is a bad guy.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Is he's a terrible person.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It was just it didn't fit into really everything we'd
seen over a long period of time now with Jamar Chase.
And I understand why people say these things, but it's
kind of like it's really, uh, you know, a microcosm
of our society in general.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
This is what happens all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
One person makes a mistake and they are just eviscerated
for it, and people call them this, that and the other,
and there's no nuance, there's no perspective, there's no context
of a bigger picture, and and so it just you
could you could see this happening with with Jamar Chase
her like, this just doesn't fit everything that we have
(05:28):
seen for months and years now in terms of who
he's kind of started to become. And I just wanted
to point that out with the understanding that that was wrong,
that was ridiculous. He gets what's everything everything about it,
like everything about this instant, but like we all make mistakes,
we all have bad days like this, this doesn't follow
(05:49):
the pattern of what I just feel like I have
seen up close and heard from talking to people that
would really know and including Zach Taylor speaking yesterday about
kind of who Jamar Chase has been and just wanted
to kind of put that out there.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I said this to you on the Growler today, which
is out Paul Jay myself.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I was only on for thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's a much longer podcast than that, thank god. I
I'll criticize z That Taylor for a lot of different things.
I thought he handled okay things yesterday. Okay, I thought
he handled the questions about Jamar and Chase. He acknowledged
what happened, didn't try to insult our intelligence and say,
oh no, actually you gotta watch the video and it happened,
(06:35):
certainly didn't condone it, which you can, but took up
for the character.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Of his guy.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, And I think that was also speaking to the
same things I was just saying in that, you know,
this is just it's someone who made a mistake. But
this is just not who he's been, and he not
who he's been in this building, not who he's been
to us, not who he's been for you know. And
they have had to deal with him extremely closely through
(07:03):
some tough situations, through the contract negotiations, through him losing
for the really the first time in his life the
last couple of years, right through stuff that he's gone
through on the field and now through not having Burrow
and emerging as this leader and the captain and all
that stuff, Like they've seen all of this. So I
(07:24):
think just to say it, to own up to the
mistake with an understanding of what it is, and but
also to point up, but this that's not going to
define who this person is, because it doesn't define who
this person is and everybody, you know, you move on
and you go forward, and they're not gonna stop building
around Jamar Chase, then fairness, I mean, yeah, he need
(07:49):
that needs to be his messaging because he's a big
part of what they do.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But that was genuine like that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It certainly at least didn't come across as some sort
of thing trying to save the core of my team.
I think that was just genuine truth and honesty about
the way that he truly feels about who Jamar has
been as a player.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Do you think they'll hear his appeal, which is well,
if I meant to spit on him, I would have
spit in his face.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Do you think that's gonna carry much weight? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
No, I mean, yeah, I know they'll hear it, right,
they are, I believe, legally obligated to listen, and then
they will hit the no button and we'll go on
about our lives.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, I would imagine, and then next man up. So
this will be the Jermaine Burton game on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Right, No, okay, well I mean no, I don't Yeah, no,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's that is uh, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, you think this is the feverishly diving into his playbook,
like you know what, this is my this is my opportunity. Yeah,
show up at the stadium if somebody can show him
where it is, and get there and get the work,
start grinding the tape. Tell inform Jermaine that they play
at one o'clock on Sunday. Tell him which team they play. Yeah,
I gets Jermaine nine catches one hundred and seven yards.
A couple of scores, the Jermaine Burton game, Jamainberg game. Yeah,
(09:07):
you're sure that's the way this goes.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I think, you know, you just hope you can get
to shows up at the stadium on time. Right, that's
probably the one that you're aiming for right now. It's
where the bar is.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What was most frustrating to me about Sunday. The Jamar
Chase stuff was a footnote to me, not that it
wasn't significant, but the big thing I had was the
sense of inevitability as the game went on. This was
going to be a game in the fourth quarter, and
when it was, Al Golden's unit was going to go
(09:42):
out on the field. This defense that Zach Taylor spent
the buy week telling people, not making changes, not making
changes personnel wise, not making changes with the coordinator was asked,
point blank, can you win a championship with this defense?
And he says, yes, okay, twenty to twelve, big boy,
you've managed the cl in ways that I can't even
wrap my brain around. Joe Flacca has played compromised, but
(10:05):
you're you're within a score and now Al and that
unit go and get a stop. And what we said
this last week, right, and this is gonna happen. So
but but you know this was coming out of the
by after all the statements about we're stand the course
status quo, Okay, validate that, and instead they go sixty
(10:25):
five yards and whatever it was, nine plays, ten plays,
it didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It looked way too easy.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Ballgame over, season over, and what we thought was going
to happen becomes reality.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Is this is who they are. This is who they've been.
They've been this team all year. They they squeaked out
a couple cominds early the AFC North came back to him.
They were able to stay relevant. Joe Flacco came in
and that went better than they ever thought it could
have gone. Outside of that, this is it like they
(10:58):
are just historically awful on defense, and you mentioned it.
It's the fact that to me, it's not even just
the fact that they're bad. Okay, there's not enough talent
on this roster, right, undeniably, Yeah, truly just devoid of
talent on defense. Okay, they're not good enough. They have
(11:18):
all these problems. I can even live with some of
that if you look like you care. Like the lack
of effort on some of these plays, and obviously we
know the perpetrators here. At this point, Geno Stone certainly
stands out. Josh Newton does not get enough credit for
how little effort he puts in out there when he
(11:39):
has been out there.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I want to make sure he gets a reference.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
But there's others, okay, and then the bad play is
the bad play, but like it's the lack of effort
and the lack of going for it, the lack of
acting like you want to try to tackle number eighty,
you have any interest in it, Okay, you want to
try to be in the right, You want to take
on the lock in the alley, you want to get
your head in there and try to make the play
(12:04):
and stream. So when we talk about I was like,
I feel bad honestly continuing to trot out these stats
and Jay does the same thing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That just shows how bad it is.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
It's I think when you pinpoint the second half stuff
where where you say they're not just the worst, true
media only goes back to two thousands, so I can't
like do the full dat and triangles. Sure, but when
you just look at that every team since two thousand,
they're not just the worst ass for halftime there's been
(12:38):
of any team. They're not even close to the second worst.
It's it's the jarring distance between them and the next
worst team this century that blows you. When the games
get harder, when it when it hurts more, when it's
a bigger moment. All of these things that happened this
(13:00):
year in the second halves when it's just tougher to
do these guys don't do it. They quit, they give up,
there's no strain. I think there's plenty of good guys that.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It matters to them on that side of the.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Ball, but there's too many where it doesn't and it
just doesn't matter enough. It certainly doesn't matter enough for
them to have the grit then the griminess that we
saw that was a tenant of those twenty one and
twenty two defenses to make that play, to know what
that takes. There is none of that on that side
of the ball at the end of games. And that's
(13:34):
been such a huge part of this every single time
they've been in a close one, and it was there.
It was again on Sunday, and kind of a fitting
final stands out, I think for any realistic chances for
this team with only seven games to go, seven more
of these, though, Hey, and don't worry, it gets so
much easier, Drake may Lamar Jackson twice, Josh Allen, it
(13:59):
gets so much easier.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But like there's the question, how much worse is this
going to look? Like?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Forget how much worse is this going to get? They're
going to lose more games. They're probably gonna lose more
games in spectacular fashion. They may lose games while Joe
Burrow is playing for them. More losses are coming. But
if that's what it looked like on Sunday with a
shred of hope remaining, what is this gonna look like
when all hope has been exhausted? And how is that
(14:28):
gonna reflect on people who could be working for their
jobs right now?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I mean, it's it's hard to know. I mean, I
I don't think we've seen the bottom.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean, these.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Next one of these next four games is gonna look
like Minnesota is gonna look like I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's just what it's.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
There's just the state that they're in right now defensively,
even for all the good things that they're doing on offense,
one of these games is gonna get out of hand
with a couple of turnovers and we're gonna see it
just spiral that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's what this is. That's what this is playing out.
The string is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And you know, I'm always interested, as someone who's been
around here a while, I've seen the string played out before.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's doesn't always go the way you think sometimes there
is some fight and then around here we always you know,
it's to send them home happy they win a couple
of games in the end of the year. But sometimes
even in playing out the string of team surprises you
in some ways. I will tell you, some serious fight
coming from this defense would surprise me in some ways.
(15:36):
I think you're seeing it in some spots, but like, yeah,
there's there's no sense that like, oh man, there you're
seeing it's close.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I think you saw it. Get look closer because the
Steelers offense is terrible.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, but it doesn't feel like all of these How
is this tackling thing? How is this still hit? How
is anticipating balls that are checked down to running backs
and tight ends still it? How is it the same
problems over and over again? You know it's that there's
(16:13):
no reason to believe that that's gonna change.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Twenty minutes after three o'clock, Paul dannerje, you're so dark,
it is. But I keep coming back to like it
feels like week fifteen, and you're like, just let's scrape
the last two games off the plate and move on. No,
we're not the Thanksgiving yet, No, No, we have this
season will end in January.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
We're only midway, partially midway through November. Three holidays to
go right.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, it's a long way off.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's a long way off.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So they're interesting from that perspective, like how much worse
will this look?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
How will this gets? I mean, I think, what will
rock bottom look like in two or three weeks?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
What is Thanksgiving Night gonna be like? When wet's great,
the entire country to this crap on a federal holiday?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah? Oh god? Oh man?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
How and how impactful will the way it looks be
on the end game decisions amongst the people that are
in charge of this thing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
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What's up with Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Some big question? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I mean I think, you know, doubtful again obviously this week.
So I think we're just sort of under the impression
that he's not coming back till he's one hundred percent
and I don't know when that will be. I don't
think anybody knows when that will be. I think it
(19:20):
is understandably but speculative to say how much of this
is involved with his situation, the team situation. I don't know.
You know, when we talked to him before the bye week,
he said, look, I I would like to come.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I might have come back too early.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I want to make sure I'm all the way one
hundred percent right to go play out there when I
do go back out there. This seems to be the
suggestion that he wants to return, but they really needed him. Yes,
And it's and you know, it's easy to sit there
and say that. Like to me, the thing that I
(20:04):
keep saying when people ask me this is no one
knows Trey mm hm. No one knows but Trey about
the decision that he's making. We, obviously, because of the situation,
can speculate on what has gone on the last couple
of weeks and what will go on the rest of
the year. There is No, it is not my place
to say this guy can play through this, right, No
(20:26):
one really knows the level of paint whatever. The Bengals
also are complicit in this. They put themselves in the
situation where people don't feel like they do have to
sell out. They are going to be looking out for
themselves to make sure that they're one hundred percent because
they're about to head into free agency of offseason because
you didn't deliver a long term contract. We talked about
this with t Higgins at this point in time last
(20:48):
year when he was missing games. This is that's that's
part of where you put yourself. So I don't I don't.
I can't say with certainty anything about what is if
Trey should or should not be playing, or what's going on.
I think there's there's probably something in the middle there
in terms of what is is actually going on, but
(21:10):
only only Trey really knows.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And you know that's the decision that he's made.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I need for me, I need a Joe Burrow December surprise.
We're after a game that I assume he's going to
play in. He informs everybody that he wants Trey Hendrickson back, Right,
you want that well, I mean as a fan, not
really kind.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Of ready to move on for for your your content,
seven weeks, okay, we need last year in Dallas to happen.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
We need we have seven games, Okay, I I could
use a plot twist.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So yes, well that's.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That's the other thing, you know, like we we go
back and think about when they were at four and
eight last year and it was like, how the hell
are we going to get home?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right? How are we going to get to the end
of this year? Brow took care of that for us.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Joe Burrow took care of it, and it became him
and t and Jamar and the whole plan and the
Dallas and all of that stuff. In the drunk game
in Tennessee, like all of those things happened and made
it interesting, you know, made it made it. I don't
I don't know like what that Maybe that is coming.
(22:20):
I'm sure there'll be something. There's always drama in CNFL,
but something besides who's gonna get fired that can get
us through December. Hopefully there's something like that. But I
don't know that that's gonna be it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Okay, Well I can hope, Yeah, you can hope. Man,
It just feels done, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It does, and it feels like it should have been done.
And you and I have talked about this exhaustively. You've
written about this, you've done this on your podcast, you've
talked about it with me. This, Trey Hendrickson, this year
feels like Marvin Lewis twenty eighteen, where it's like, you
know what, when it kind of felt like it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Was time to move on, we should have moved on.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yes, And now the two side are just lingering and
it's weird and it's awkward, and it's it's not the
best marriage and for all parties involved, it should have ended.
It should have ended months ago.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yes, and yeah, absolutely, because it's just everybody would have
been better off. But and it just it's this is
that this is that end part or where you just
like there's just where they're they're in the divorce hearings probably,
and there's just like resentment and staring across the table watching.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Them eat, like I hate the way you eat. You know,
it just feels like it's like that right now.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
As a veteran of divorce, I I could tell you
my main objective was to avoid acknowledging we're getting divorced,
but hey, we're gonna live with each other for a
few weeks. I wasn't doing that and this is why,
because this is what they're doing. Yes, and it's it's
not good for anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, it's it's not.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
But you know, here we are, we're None of this
is good for anybody right now.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Neither is Geno Stone. And we'll talk about him next.
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Speaker 2 (25:10):
Is there any Bengals news interesting happening? Jah the Jamar
appeal whenever that I haven't, I haven't. How does that happen?
What has a an appeal of disciplinary action happened?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
How does it happen? Quick phone call, zoom meeting. I
believe it says zoom. I believe it says. I don't
think get to fly anywhere or anything of that. They
can just a little zoom with Jordy Nelson, uh and
then then a report back of what that appeal finding is.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So would they just go get like random players from
the early twenty tens and they.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Hear the appeals? I think they're part of it's a
predetermined committee. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
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Speaker 2 (26:06):
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Speaker 4 (26:12):
The schools all sent everybody down there to go to
the game. We were talking all about the rules, and
I said, wait, who.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Do they play? Did they play the Walleye? That's always
my favorite? And I'll be dog gone there they were.
They were playing the Wall.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
The Cyclones play the Walleye about forty five times, wheeling
Naylor's the other thirty five games.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
The Columbus Blue Jackets play at Winnipeg tonight after winning
last night in Montreal four to three in a shootout.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Paul Danner Junior's here. We did get to explain the
penalty box to my daughter this one. It was just
kind of a fun.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Thing to to see the look on somebody's eye, like, wait,
they just they put them in a They just put
them over there and they shove them in a box.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
You know, I'm not going to be home tonight, but
what I might do is call my daughter and tell her, Hey,
there were schools that got to go to a hockey
game today while you were sitting in school, and then
let my wife deal with that for the rest of
the evening. The neighborhood kids who go to I see
no problems here other schools when they have days off
(27:09):
and she doesn't. It's it's a thing in my house.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Oh no, you can't feel left out, Absolutely not, especially
not one like that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Joe Flacco hurt. I don't. I think he's okay? Yeah,
I mean I can only you know, we haven't.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
We'll see if he participates in the same fashion that
he has. I mean he's hurt, is I guess the
question is is he injured more now than he was
last week when he didn't throw on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
But that's kind of going off the same thing that
you guys probably heard from the press conference and watching him.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
He's doing this weird thing where it looks like he
was trying to get his wallet out of his back
pocket but he couldn't.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, that's not what you do when you're killing normal.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
No, I I think he's I mean, I think they
felt like he was better heading into this previous this
game than he was certainly the week before. But they
felt like there was a significant difference there.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And first that TJ. Watt hit he knew what he
was doing.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yes, like that that was not a that was clear
into the game, saying when I get a shot, I
might get a penalty, but I'm driving that shoulder into
the ground. I you know, this is from the same
group that was punching him the last time they played, right,
So you know, no, no surprise on that, but that, yeah,
(28:30):
that so maybe that was part of the impact he
seems to suggest. They seem just okay, that's one that
will probably that's all follow the actions situation. We'll see
what Wednesday and Thursday.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
If if it were to be a thing where you
know what, Joe doesn't feel it, would they accelerate the
Joe Burrow timeline and have him play.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Against the Patriots. No, I don't think so. Jake Browning time,
I think, yeah, I think that would be the move.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I don't see a world where they they ship Burrow
out there just because they're not sure where to go next.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Still hoping that Burrow plays on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I mean that's the first day that's even in play.
I would say, where there's even a conversation when.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
When they add him to the excuse me, when they
add him to the active roster, what happens to Jake Browning?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I think he stays on. I think they go with three.
I mean they have three now, Clifford emergency, third hitch.
So I think that you probably still have the same
situation Clifford out in Burrow up is probably your keep.
Three around would be my guess. I don't think that
they just they boot Jake Browning out the door necessarily.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
How on earth could you have Geno Stone on the
field for you on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
For me, no Ginostone, I would be done with it.
He wouldn't have been around Monday at this point, especially
when the defense is so bad.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Put players out there that care, that will prove that
they want to do it, that are trying to do its,
showing the effort to go for it, and that they
care about trying to make the play. I'm just you know,
I go back were Charlie and I were talking about
something rewatch going through some of this place, and it's like,
I go back to I remember Lou and Orumo talking
(30:15):
about this when their team was just garbage in twenty nineteen,
and it was it was a tail end of sort
of like the act of the dune Lap thing was happening.
It felt like a lot of guys were checking out
and not really trying as much as they should to
the Miami game, right, But it felt like that was
the case, right, And his point was, on the sudden,
(30:39):
all of a sudden, like dudes you've literally never heard
of were out there and in big spots tire right, Yeah,
who I couldn't even I wish I could rip off
all the names, but other than they were just as
obscure as it gets. And his point was, I just
want guys that I know are going to go out
there and try hard, even if they're nowhere nearest town,
(31:00):
to as the other guys, because if the effort's not there,
to me, That's where I'm at with this, Like, I
don't know what the problem is with Tyson Anderson's ability
to understand the defense or get people in the right
spots or all the other stuff that comes along with it.
I mean, it's not like we've seen him go out
there and fail to do it in the game. I've
seen him and quit himself pretty well on special teams.
(31:21):
And it's also by the way, and indictment on the
fact they didn't fill the safety room out properly. If
you're just gonna let this continue to happen because you
have no other answer, If you don't have an answer
that you're willing to put in there that could be
better than whatever we're seeing now, then you have failed
to fill out that room properly. Okay, So I just
to me, that's that's what I want to know. What
(31:43):
is what would be so bad about trying that? How
bad could it possibly be? I just think you have
to make a point of I'm just gonna put guys
out there that I know are gonna play hard. That's
what I want to I want to see guys that
are really going out.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
With John Anthony PG Jewels literally anybody yes, and maybe
you have something there and maybe you don't. And if
you don't, okay, okay, what what are they gonna do?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Are they gonna be.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Now all of a sudden, No, they're not gonna be
any worse it's impossible to be worse.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I mean, Genostone, his play has spoken for itself. On Sunday,
the lack of effort spoke for itself, and then for
him to stand in the locker room and talk about, well,
actually I thought we played Okay. That guy's got some
big ones. Now, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna stand there
after just not trying it all to tackle Darnell Washington,
(32:34):
and I'm gonna look at everybody that was more insulting
to my intelligence than Jamar.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Chase and he didn't spit.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I would have been mortified to face anyone knowing what
I had put out there, and to not only not
be mortified and be like, you know, I thought we
were playing better. Yeah, there were some people maybe that
were right, like I thought. There were a few people
that looked like they were like Miles Murphy. Miles Murphy
out of Miles Murphy's had his two best games as
(33:01):
a pro. The last two games they've played like, maybe
something's happening there and you're seeing some effort.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Maybe right, But my point is he played, He played hard,
hustle plays, Chase plays all the stuff that we've kind
of talked about him not having the Gunde out there
and do it.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Like show me that show me Hustle plays, Chase plays stick.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
In your head.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
And I give credit to Barrett Carter for saying, I'm
trying to bring Darnell Washington down.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
That's fine. You know what.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
You You went out there and you got post rized,
and and that's fine. That is way better than what
happened next when when you Ginos Done goes out there
and gives.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
The half shoulder situation.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So I'm just I think there's such a drastic difference
in the two. I'll I'll live with Barrett Carter's mistakes,
and there's so many of them. I mean, yeah, I'm
not saying I would want to, but you you live
with that way more than I live with whatever's happening
with some of the other guys things.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Here's how bad things have gone.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I don't know if you were on social media last night,
but the Cowboys were playing the Raiders and what was
not a great Monday night football game. And what we're
doing now is we're hate watching Logan Wilson, and folks
are arguing about whether or not Logan Wilson is playing
well or not playing well, and this is where things
have gotten.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
This is the depth. This is as a fan, this
might be rock bottom.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I look on social media and the discussion is Logan
Wilson looks good.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
No he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
We're arguing over Logan Wilson, who was benched wasn't making
plays before he got benched. That's where things are right now.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I've been I've done multiple shows this week where we've
said the phrase what about like Braylon Lux and Jalen Davis,
And I'm like, I cannot believe we've reached the Jalen
Davis and Braylin Lux portioned into the program. But it
does go there, like right, I don't know, man, Like
maybe those guys will go out there and tire. Maybe
we need more Joe Giles Harris in our life like that.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
It's just that.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
So but I'm saying, like, it's that's where that's where
it's at, man, And I don't we got.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
A guy named Joe Giles Harris. Yeah, okay, yeah, we
can play a game by the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
We did this with Austin once because he tried to
claim he was an Ohio State basketball fan, and I said,
we're gonna play a game. I'm gonna give you three names.
You have to pick the one that's the Ohio State
basketball player. He of course failed miserably. We can do
the same with like guys who are playing for the
Bengals weeks.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Sixteen through eighteen. Yeah, okay, we'll do that.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Joe Giles, Harris Kenny Johnson, and Michael.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Kowalski. Yeah, pick the Bengal. Picked the Bengal.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah, We're get it out with the twenty nineteen guys.
I guess, yeah, that would that would be fun. We
go back to that list. I might have to pull
up the uh, the actual box score from that game.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
To frustrate.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
One of the many, many, many frustrating things is and
we got to break here, and you gotta go.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But the Pittsburgh Steelers are not good.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
No, the Baltimore Ravens I think are the odds on
favorite to win the division.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
They probably will.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
They're okay, like, this division stinks to waste you wrote
that after the game, to waste this division?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
There was stinks right in front of you, Right in
front of you.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
All you had to do was put an okay defense
together and you would have been treated to the story
of Joe Flacco handing the torch to Joe Burrow. You
would have been treated with that because you'd be sitting
there at whatever, five and four, whatever you wanted to
be sitting there at. You had all of that in
front of you. But the defense was this bad, and
so instead we have these seven games in front of us.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Joe Giles Harris joined the Bengals, recently activated from Nyack,
New York. His brother plays for the Denver Outlaws of
the Premier Lacrosse. I'm learning all about Joe Giles Harris.
He was signed to the active rosster October thirties. It's
a big week for him.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Patriots Week former Patriots.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Oh you know when you get into like the Wikipedia
pay and there's multiple parentheses first stin Patriots, Jags, Bengals. Yeah,
I mean a lot of stints for Joe.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, good luck to him.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I hope he's you mean you watching him play a
lot more. Fortunately alcohol is legal. Thank you very much,
so pleasure and we'll talk to you two weeks.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
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Speaker 2 (02:23):
We are. We are going to figure out how to
have to turn on your microphone.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Oh well, there you are. Yes, it's me all right man,
you good. I've been in your seat before. I've seen
that panic look. I've worn that panic expression before.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Kind of looks like a Bengals linebacker. That kind of
looks like a Bengal safety. Yeah, kind of looks like
a Bengals defensive.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Coordinator, except he's trying. Kind of looks like a Bengals fan.
I'm glad you're here. There's a lot to discuss in
this sea of anger and bad takes. I was I
was happy to read your piece on Jamarch. Okay, yeah,
(03:00):
because it can't And we're not going to talk about
this for an hour because I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Think you want to. I mean whatever, I don't.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I honestly think there's larger issues to discuss and frankly,
more interesting things to discuss. But sure, he is arguably
their best player. He's one of the stars of this league.
He did something that has gotten him suspended. We'll see
if his appeal is heard to the degree that the
punishment is overturned. We will see, but in this sea
(03:29):
of just like bad takes your piece. I nodded along
as I read every single word.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, my take on it.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, it's kind of funny because I think over the
course of this year, and we've talked about it in
a number of different places, you and I about maybe
one of the underrated storylines of this entire season was
Jamar's growth as a person, as a player, as a leader,
as a sort of as a teammate, and as as
(04:00):
a focal point of the type of person they want
to build this organization around. I mean, it used to
be where you went right to Jamar after a game
and just couldn't wait to hear what he's gonna pop
off about it, or you'd see him on the field
doing other things or whatever. Just it was, you know,
he never was a captain, even when he was really
good young and younger. He's a young player, a young person.
(04:23):
You really saw him grow over the course of this
year and even the tail end of last year and
through the contract stuff, and I think the way that
a lot of that even was handled it was just notable.
And so for then this to happen and then it
all turns into this is a bad guy.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Is he's a terrible person.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
It was just it didn't fit into really everything we'd
seen over a long period of time now with Jamar Chase.
And I understand why people say these things, but it's
kind of like it's really, uh, you know, a microcosm
of our society in general.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
This is what happens all the time.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
One person makes a mistake and they are just eviscerated
for it, and people call them this, that and the other,
and there's no nuance, there's no perspective, there's no context
of a bigger picture, and and so it just you
could you could see this happening with with Jamar Chase
her like, this just doesn't fit everything that we have
(05:28):
seen for months and years now in terms of who
he's kind of started to become. And I just wanted
to point that out with the understanding that that was wrong,
that was ridiculous. He gets what's everything everything about it,
like everything about this instant, but like we all make mistakes,
we all have bad days like this, this doesn't follow
(05:49):
the pattern of what I just feel like I have
seen up close and heard from talking to people that
would really know and including Zach Taylor speaking yesterday about
kind of who Jamar Chase has been and just wanted
to kind of put that out there.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I said this to you on the Growler today, which
is out Paul Jay myself.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I was only on for thirty minutes.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's a much longer podcast than that, thank god. I
I'll criticize z That Taylor for a lot of different things.
I thought he handled okay things yesterday. Okay, I thought
he handled the questions about Jamar and Chase. He acknowledged
what happened, didn't try to insult our intelligence and say,
oh no, actually you gotta watch the video and it happened,
(06:35):
certainly didn't condone it, which you can, but took up
for the character.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Of his guy.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, And I think that was also speaking to the
same things I was just saying in that, you know,
this is just it's someone who made a mistake. But
this is just not who he's been, and he not
who he's been in this building, not who he's been
to us, not who he's been for you know. And
they have had to deal with him extremely closely through
(07:03):
some tough situations, through the contract negotiations, through him losing
for the really the first time in his life the
last couple of years, right through stuff that he's gone
through on the field and now through not having Burrow
and emerging as this leader and the captain and all
that stuff, Like they've seen all of this. So I
(07:24):
think just to say it, to own up to the
mistake with an understanding of what it is, and but
also to point up, but this that's not going to
define who this person is, because it doesn't define who
this person is and everybody, you know, you move on
and you go forward, and they're not gonna stop building
around Jamar Chase, then fairness, I mean, yeah, he need
(07:49):
that needs to be his messaging because he's a big
part of what they do.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But that was genuine like that.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
It certainly at least didn't come across as some sort
of thing trying to save the core of my team.
I think that was just genuine truth and honesty about
the way that he truly feels about who Jamar has
been as a player.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Do you think they'll hear his appeal, which is well,
if I meant to spit on him, I would have
spit in his face.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Do you think that's gonna carry much weight? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
No, I mean, yeah, I know they'll hear it, right,
they are, I believe, legally obligated to listen, and then
they will hit the no button and we'll go on
about our lives.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, I would imagine, and then next man up. So
this will be the Jermaine Burton game on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Right, No, okay, well I mean no, I don't Yeah, no,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
That's that is uh, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, you think this is the feverishly diving into his playbook,
like you know what, this is my this is my opportunity. Yeah,
show up at the stadium if somebody can show him
where it is, and get there and get the work,
start grinding the tape. Tell inform Jermaine that they play
at one o'clock on Sunday. Tell him which team they play. Yeah,
I gets Jermaine nine catches one hundred and seven yards.
A couple of scores, the Jermaine Burton game, Jamainberg game. Yeah,
(09:07):
you're sure that's the way this goes.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I think, you know, you just hope you can get
to shows up at the stadium on time. Right, that's
probably the one that you're aiming for right now. It's
where the bar is.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What was most frustrating to me about Sunday. The Jamar
Chase stuff was a footnote to me, not that it
wasn't significant, but the big thing I had was the
sense of inevitability as the game went on. This was
going to be a game in the fourth quarter, and
when it was, Al Golden's unit was going to go
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out on the field. This defense that Zach Taylor spent
the buy week telling people, not making changes, not making
changes personnel wise, not making changes with the coordinator was asked,
point blank, can you win a championship with this defense?
And he says, yes, okay, twenty to twelve, big boy,
you've managed the cl in ways that I can't even
wrap my brain around. Joe Flacca has played compromised, but
(10:05):
you're you're within a score and now Al and that
unit go and get a stop. And what we said
this last week, right, and this is gonna happen. So
but but you know this was coming out of the
by after all the statements about we're stand the course
status quo, Okay, validate that, and instead they go sixty
(10:25):
five yards and whatever it was, nine plays, ten plays,
it didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
It looked way too easy.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Ballgame over, season over, and what we thought was going
to happen becomes reality.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Is this is who they are. This is who they've been.
They've been this team all year. They they squeaked out
a couple cominds early the AFC North came back to him.
They were able to stay relevant. Joe Flacco came in
and that went better than they ever thought it could
have gone. Outside of that, this is it like they
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are just historically awful on defense, and you mentioned it.
It's the fact that to me, it's not even just
the fact that they're bad. Okay, there's not enough talent
on this roster, right, undeniably, Yeah, truly just devoid of
talent on defense. Okay, they're not good enough. They have
(11:18):
all these problems. I can even live with some of
that if you look like you care. Like the lack
of effort on some of these plays, and obviously we
know the perpetrators here. At this point, Geno Stone certainly
stands out. Josh Newton does not get enough credit for
how little effort he puts in out there when he
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has been out there.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I want to make sure he gets a reference.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
But there's others, okay, and then the bad play is
the bad play, but like it's the lack of effort
and the lack of going for it, the lack of
acting like you want to try to tackle number eighty,
you have any interest in it, Okay, you want to
try to be in the right, You want to take
on the lock in the alley, you want to get
your head in there and try to make the play
(12:04):
and stream. So when we talk about I was like,
I feel bad honestly continuing to trot out these stats
and Jay does the same thing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That just shows how bad it is.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
It's I think when you pinpoint the second half stuff
where where you say they're not just the worst, true
media only goes back to two thousands, so I can't
like do the full dat and triangles. Sure, but when
you just look at that every team since two thousand,
they're not just the worst ass for halftime there's been
(12:38):
of any team. They're not even close to the second worst.
It's it's the jarring distance between them and the next
worst team this century that blows you. When the games
get harder, when it when it hurts more, when it's
a bigger moment. All of these things that happened this
(13:00):
year in the second halves when it's just tougher to
do these guys don't do it. They quit, they give up,
there's no strain. I think there's plenty of good guys that.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It matters to them on that side of the.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Ball, but there's too many where it doesn't and it
just doesn't matter enough. It certainly doesn't matter enough for
them to have the grit then the griminess that we
saw that was a tenant of those twenty one and
twenty two defenses to make that play, to know what
that takes. There is none of that on that side
of the ball at the end of games. And that's
(13:34):
been such a huge part of this every single time
they've been in a close one, and it was there.
It was again on Sunday, and kind of a fitting
final stands out, I think for any realistic chances for
this team with only seven games to go, seven more
of these, though, Hey, and don't worry, it gets so
much easier, Drake may Lamar Jackson twice, Josh Allen, it
(13:59):
gets so much easier.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But like there's the question, how much worse is this
going to look? Like?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Forget how much worse is this going to get? They're
going to lose more games. They're probably gonna lose more
games in spectacular fashion. They may lose games while Joe
Burrow is playing for them. More losses are coming. But
if that's what it looked like on Sunday with a
shred of hope remaining, what is this gonna look like
when all hope has been exhausted? And how is that
(14:28):
gonna reflect on people who could be working for their
jobs right now?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I mean, it's it's hard to know. I mean, I
I don't think we've seen the bottom.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I mean, these.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Next one of these next four games is gonna look
like Minnesota is gonna look like I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's just what it's.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
There's just the state that they're in right now defensively,
even for all the good things that they're doing on offense,
one of these games is gonna get out of hand
with a couple of turnovers and we're gonna see it
just spiral that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's what this is. That's what this is playing out.
The string is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And you know, I'm always interested, as someone who's been
around here a while, I've seen the string played out before.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's doesn't always go the way you think sometimes there
is some fight and then around here we always you know,
it's to send them home happy they win a couple
of games in the end of the year. But sometimes
even in playing out the string of team surprises you
in some ways. I will tell you, some serious fight
coming from this defense would surprise me in some ways.
(15:36):
I think you're seeing it in some spots, but like, yeah,
there's there's no sense that like, oh man, there you're
seeing it's close.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I think you saw it. Get look closer because the
Steelers offense is terrible.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, but it doesn't feel like all of these How
is this tackling thing? How is this still hit? How
is anticipating balls that are checked down to running backs
and tight ends still it? How is it the same
problems over and over again? You know it's that there's
(16:13):
no reason to believe that that's gonna change.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Twenty minutes after three o'clock, Paul dannerje, you're so dark,
it is. But I keep coming back to like it
feels like week fifteen, and you're like, just let's scrape
the last two games off the plate and move on. No,
we're not the Thanksgiving yet, No, No, we have this
season will end in January.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
We're only midway, partially midway through November. Three holidays to
go right.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, it's a long way off.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's a long way off.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
So they're interesting from that perspective, like how much worse
will this look?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
How will this gets? I mean, I think, what will
rock bottom look like in two or three weeks?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
What is Thanksgiving Night gonna be like? When wet's great,
the entire country to this crap on a federal holiday?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah? Oh god? Oh man?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
How and how impactful will the way it looks be
on the end game decisions amongst the people that are
in charge of this thing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
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What's up with Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Some big question? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
I mean I think, you know, doubtful again obviously this week.
So I think we're just sort of under the impression
that he's not coming back till he's one hundred percent
and I don't know when that will be. I don't
think anybody knows when that will be. I think it
(19:20):
is understandably but speculative to say how much of this
is involved with his situation, the team situation. I don't know.
You know, when we talked to him before the bye week,
he said, look, I I would like to come.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I might have come back too early.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I want to make sure I'm all the way one
hundred percent right to go play out there when I
do go back out there. This seems to be the
suggestion that he wants to return, but they really needed him. Yes,
And it's and you know, it's easy to sit there
and say that. Like to me, the thing that I
(20:04):
keep saying when people ask me this is no one
knows Trey mm hm. No one knows but Trey about
the decision that he's making. We, obviously, because of the situation,
can speculate on what has gone on the last couple
of weeks and what will go on the rest of
the year. There is No, it is not my place
to say this guy can play through this, right, No
(20:26):
one really knows the level of paint whatever. The Bengals
also are complicit in this. They put themselves in the
situation where people don't feel like they do have to
sell out. They are going to be looking out for
themselves to make sure that they're one hundred percent because
they're about to head into free agency of offseason because
you didn't deliver a long term contract. We talked about
this with t Higgins at this point in time last
(20:48):
year when he was missing games. This is that's that's
part of where you put yourself. So I don't I don't.
I can't say with certainty anything about what is if
Trey should or should not be playing, or what's going on.
I think there's there's probably something in the middle there
in terms of what is is actually going on, but
(21:10):
only only Trey really knows.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And you know that's the decision that he's made.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I need for me, I need a Joe Burrow December surprise.
We're after a game that I assume he's going to
play in. He informs everybody that he wants Trey Hendrickson back, Right,
you want that well, I mean as a fan, not
really kind.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Of ready to move on for for your your content,
seven weeks, okay, we need last year in Dallas to happen.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
We need we have seven games, Okay, I I could
use a plot twist.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So yes, well that's.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
That's the other thing, you know, like we we go
back and think about when they were at four and
eight last year and it was like, how the hell
are we going to get home?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right? How are we going to get to the end
of this year? Brow took care of that for us.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Joe Burrow took care of it, and it became him
and t and Jamar and the whole plan and the
Dallas and all of that stuff. In the drunk game
in Tennessee, like all of those things happened and made
it interesting, you know, made it made it. I don't
I don't know like what that Maybe that is coming.
(22:20):
I'm sure there'll be something. There's always drama in CNFL,
but something besides who's gonna get fired that can get
us through December. Hopefully there's something like that. But I
don't know that that's gonna be it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Okay, Well I can hope, Yeah, you can hope. Man,
It just feels done, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It does, and it feels like it should have been done.
And you and I have talked about this exhaustively. You've
written about this, you've done this on your podcast, you've
talked about it with me. This, Trey Hendrickson, this year
feels like Marvin Lewis twenty eighteen, where it's like, you
know what, when it kind of felt like it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Was time to move on, we should have moved on.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yes, And now the two side are just lingering and
it's weird and it's awkward, and it's it's not the
best marriage and for all parties involved, it should have ended.
It should have ended months ago.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yes, and yeah, absolutely, because it's just everybody would have
been better off. But and it just it's this is
that this is that end part or where you just
like there's just where they're they're in the divorce hearings probably,
and there's just like resentment and staring across the table watching.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Them eat, like I hate the way you eat. You know,
it just feels like it's like that right now.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
As a veteran of divorce, I I could tell you
my main objective was to avoid acknowledging we're getting divorced,
but hey, we're gonna live with each other for a
few weeks. I wasn't doing that and this is why,
because this is what they're doing. Yes, and it's it's
not good for anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, it's it's not.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
But you know, here we are, we're None of this
is good for anybody right now.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Neither is Geno Stone. And we'll talk about him next.
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Speaker 2 (25:10):
Is there any Bengals news interesting happening? Jah the Jamar
appeal whenever that I haven't, I haven't. How does that happen?
What has a an appeal of disciplinary action happened?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
How does it happen? Quick phone call, zoom meeting. I
believe it says zoom. I believe it says. I don't
think get to fly anywhere or anything of that. They
can just a little zoom with Jordy Nelson, uh and
then then a report back of what that appeal finding is.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
So would they just go get like random players from
the early twenty tens and they.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Hear the appeals? I think they're part of it's a
predetermined committee. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
College basketball Tonight, Xavier is hosting Old Dominion at seven
o'clock on seven hundred WLW, Kentucky and Michigan State play
at Madison Square Garden at six thirty pregame at five
on ESPN fifteen thirty. The Cyclones played this against the
Toledo Walleye and won five to four. Field trip day,
they had nearly thirteen thousand fans downtown.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
My daughter was there. I saw the press release and
I'm like, did I have gone to that game? Yeah? Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
The schools all sent everybody down there to go to
the game. We were talking all about the rules, and
I said, wait, who.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Do they play? Did they play the Walleye? That's always
my favorite? And I'll be dog gone there they were.
They were playing the Wall.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
The Cyclones play the Walleye about forty five times, wheeling
Naylor's the other thirty five games.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
The Columbus Blue Jackets play at Winnipeg tonight after winning
last night in Montreal four to three in a shootout.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Paul Danner Junior's here. We did get to explain the
penalty box to my daughter this one. It was just
kind of a fun.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Thing to to see the look on somebody's eye, like, wait,
they just they put them in a They just put
them over there and they shove them in a box.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
You know, I'm not going to be home tonight, but
what I might do is call my daughter and tell her, Hey,
there were schools that got to go to a hockey
game today while you were sitting in school, and then
let my wife deal with that for the rest of
the evening. The neighborhood kids who go to I see
no problems here other schools when they have days off
(27:09):
and she doesn't. It's it's a thing in my house.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Oh no, you can't feel left out, Absolutely not, especially
not one like that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Joe Flacco hurt. I don't. I think he's okay? Yeah,
I mean I can only you know, we haven't.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
We'll see if he participates in the same fashion that
he has. I mean he's hurt, is I guess the
question is is he injured more now than he was
last week when he didn't throw on Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
But that's kind of going off the same thing that
you guys probably heard from the press conference and watching him.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
He's doing this weird thing where it looks like he
was trying to get his wallet out of his back
pocket but he couldn't.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, that's not what you do when you're killing normal.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
No, I I think he's I mean, I think they
felt like he was better heading into this previous this
game than he was certainly the week before. But they
felt like there was a significant difference there.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
And first that TJ. Watt hit he knew what he
was doing.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yes, like that that was not a that was clear
into the game, saying when I get a shot, I
might get a penalty, but I'm driving that shoulder into
the ground. I you know, this is from the same
group that was punching him the last time they played, right,
So you know, no, no surprise on that, but that, yeah,
(28:30):
that so maybe that was part of the impact he
seems to suggest. They seem just okay, that's one that
will probably that's all follow the actions situation. We'll see
what Wednesday and Thursday.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
If if it were to be a thing where you
know what, Joe doesn't feel it, would they accelerate the
Joe Burrow timeline and have him play.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Against the Patriots. No, I don't think so. Jake Browning time,
I think, yeah, I think that would be the move.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I don't see a world where they they ship Burrow
out there just because they're not sure where to go next.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Still hoping that Burrow plays on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I mean that's the first day that's even in play.
I would say, where there's even a conversation when.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
When they add him to the excuse me, when they
add him to the active roster, what happens to Jake Browning?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I think he stays on. I think they go with three.
I mean they have three now, Clifford emergency, third hitch.
So I think that you probably still have the same
situation Clifford out in Burrow up is probably your keep.
Three around would be my guess. I don't think that
they just they boot Jake Browning out the door necessarily.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
How on earth could you have Geno Stone on the
field for you on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
For me, no Ginostone, I would be done with it.
He wouldn't have been around Monday at this point, especially
when the defense is so bad.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Put players out there that care, that will prove that
they want to do it, that are trying to do its,
showing the effort to go for it, and that they
care about trying to make the play. I'm just you know,
I go back were Charlie and I were talking about
something rewatch going through some of this place, and it's like,
I go back to I remember Lou and Orumo talking
(30:15):
about this when their team was just garbage in twenty nineteen,
and it was it was a tail end of sort
of like the act of the dune Lap thing was happening.
It felt like a lot of guys were checking out
and not really trying as much as they should to
the Miami game, right, But it felt like that was
the case, right, And his point was, on the sudden,
(30:39):
all of a sudden, like dudes you've literally never heard
of were out there and in big spots tire right, Yeah,
who I couldn't even I wish I could rip off
all the names, but other than they were just as
obscure as it gets. And his point was, I just
want guys that I know are going to go out
there and try hard, even if they're nowhere nearest town,
(31:00):
to as the other guys, because if the effort's not there,
to me, That's where I'm at with this, Like, I
don't know what the problem is with Tyson Anderson's ability
to understand the defense or get people in the right
spots or all the other stuff that comes along with it.
I mean, it's not like we've seen him go out
there and fail to do it in the game. I've
seen him and quit himself pretty well on special teams.
(31:21):
And it's also by the way, and indictment on the
fact they didn't fill the safety room out properly. If
you're just gonna let this continue to happen because you
have no other answer, If you don't have an answer
that you're willing to put in there that could be
better than whatever we're seeing now, then you have failed
to fill out that room properly. Okay, So I just
to me, that's that's what I want to know. What
(31:43):
is what would be so bad about trying that? How
bad could it possibly be? I just think you have
to make a point of I'm just gonna put guys
out there that I know are gonna play hard. That's
what I want to I want to see guys that
are really going out.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
With John Anthony PG Jewels literally anybody yes, and maybe
you have something there and maybe you don't. And if
you don't, okay, okay, what what are they gonna do?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Are they gonna be.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Now all of a sudden, No, they're not gonna be
any worse it's impossible to be worse.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
I mean, Genostone, his play has spoken for itself. On Sunday,
the lack of effort spoke for itself, and then for
him to stand in the locker room and talk about, well,
actually I thought we played Okay. That guy's got some
big ones. Now, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna stand there
after just not trying it all to tackle Darnell Washington,
(32:34):
and I'm gonna look at everybody that was more insulting
to my intelligence than Jamar.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Chase and he didn't spit.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I would have been mortified to face anyone knowing what
I had put out there, and to not only not
be mortified and be like, you know, I thought we
were playing better. Yeah, there were some people maybe that
were right, like I thought. There were a few people
that looked like they were like Miles Murphy. Miles Murphy
out of Miles Murphy's had his two best games as
(33:01):
a pro. The last two games they've played like, maybe
something's happening there and you're seeing some effort.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Maybe right, But my point is he played, He played hard,
hustle plays, Chase plays all the stuff that we've kind
of talked about him not having the Gunde out there
and do it.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Like show me that show me Hustle plays, Chase plays stick.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
In your head.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
And I give credit to Barrett Carter for saying, I'm
trying to bring Darnell Washington down.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
That's fine. You know what.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
You You went out there and you got post rized,
and and that's fine. That is way better than what
happened next when when you Ginos Done goes out there
and gives.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
The half shoulder situation.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So I'm just I think there's such a drastic difference
in the two. I'll I'll live with Barrett Carter's mistakes,
and there's so many of them. I mean, yeah, I'm
not saying I would want to, but you you live
with that way more than I live with whatever's happening
with some of the other guys things.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Here's how bad things have gone.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
I don't know if you were on social media last night,
but the Cowboys were playing the Raiders and what was
not a great Monday night football game. And what we're
doing now is we're hate watching Logan Wilson, and folks
are arguing about whether or not Logan Wilson is playing
well or not playing well, and this is where things
have gotten.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
This is the depth. This is as a fan, this
might be rock bottom.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I look on social media and the discussion is Logan
Wilson looks good.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
No he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
We're arguing over Logan Wilson, who was benched wasn't making
plays before he got benched. That's where things are right now.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I've been I've done multiple shows this week where we've
said the phrase what about like Braylon Lux and Jalen Davis,
And I'm like, I cannot believe we've reached the Jalen
Davis and Braylin Lux portioned into the program. But it
does go there, like right, I don't know, man, Like
maybe those guys will go out there and tire. Maybe
we need more Joe Giles Harris in our life like that.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
It's just that.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
So but I'm saying, like, it's that's where that's where
it's at, man, And I don't we got.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
A guy named Joe Giles Harris. Yeah, okay, yeah, we
can play a game by the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
We did this with Austin once because he tried to
claim he was an Ohio State basketball fan, and I said,
we're gonna play a game. I'm gonna give you three names.
You have to pick the one that's the Ohio State
basketball player. He of course failed miserably. We can do
the same with like guys who are playing for the
Bengals weeks.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Sixteen through eighteen. Yeah, okay, we'll do that.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Joe Giles, Harris Kenny Johnson, and Michael.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Kowalski. Yeah, pick the Bengal. Picked the Bengal.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah, We're get it out with the twenty nineteen guys.
I guess, yeah, that would that would be fun. We
go back to that list. I might have to pull
up the uh, the actual box score from that game.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
To frustrate.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
One of the many, many, many frustrating things is and
we got to break here, and you gotta go.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
But the Pittsburgh Steelers are not good.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
No, the Baltimore Ravens I think are the odds on
favorite to win the division.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
They probably will.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
They're okay, like, this division stinks to waste you wrote
that after the game, to waste this division?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
There was stinks right in front of you, Right in
front of you.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
All you had to do was put an okay defense
together and you would have been treated to the story
of Joe Flacco handing the torch to Joe Burrow. You
would have been treated with that because you'd be sitting
there at whatever, five and four, whatever you wanted to
be sitting there at. You had all of that in
front of you. But the defense was this bad, and
so instead we have these seven games in front of us.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Joe Giles Harris joined the Bengals, recently activated from Nyack,
New York. His brother plays for the Denver Outlaws of
the Premier Lacrosse. I'm learning all about Joe Giles Harris.
He was signed to the active rosster October thirties. It's
a big week for him.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Patriots Week former Patriots.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Oh you know when you get into like the Wikipedia
pay and there's multiple parentheses first stin Patriots, Jags, Bengals. Yeah,
I mean a lot of stints for Joe.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, good luck to him.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I hope he's you mean you watching him play a
lot more. Fortunately alcohol is legal. Thank you very much,
so pleasure and we'll talk to you two weeks.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Enjoy your time away, enjoy Thanksgiving in Baltimore, and thank
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In Ohio, on westbound two seventy five, there's an accident
on the off ramp to southbound seventy one. Right shoulder
(38:09):
blocked at the end of the ramp. Another accident on
Daily Road at Galbreath in northbound seventy one. Slow traffic
Norwood Lateral to Stuart Road. I met Ezelic with traffic.
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