May 12, 2026 • 41 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss his mock schedule, the upcoming schedule release, Bengals analytics, and his impressions of Cincinnati's rookies.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Ellie Delacruz dined at Jeff ruvis it is a til
last night, and I just thought i'd start.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
To show by mentioning that.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Because apparently that's news, not that Ellie and his agent
aren't in town together, but where they dined. So let's
just make sure we establish that we know that, and
maybe we can get some free food out of it too.
I'm Mogar. This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks so much
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on a whole bunch of different Bengals related issues, including
(00:55):
the mock schedule.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
What a day. The mock schedule is a tent whole events.
Is it of the off? Yes? Is it? Oh? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You can't have the schedule release, which is Thursday without
the mock schedule at the athletic.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
The silliness of the mock schedule. I enjoy that it
does kind of poke fun at mock draft season. Nobody
else participates in mock schedules, right, you know, nobody else
wants in, nobody wants a piece. The first comment or
said had something to say to the fact of like,
this isn't fun for us because this isn't realistic. That yeah,
none of them are realistic.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, I'm glad you did that, because I can't remember
what the story was. But I had you in here
one day for one of your one of your stories,
and I read comments to you. Yeah, and I was
gonna do that today. That's okay, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I don't understand that, because the point of this is
not to be realistic. It is to show people these
are the best case scenarios for things, not I'm trying
to get it right. This is not trying to get
it right. And I feel like I say it a
lot at the top of the story. So for them,
the first person to be like this is a realistic,
(01:59):
it's just it's frustrating. It's frustrating, That's all I can understand.
But I feel like I hammered home the point of
this is a good year for the Bengals to try
to play their North teams early on, and that could
be beneficial as well as some of the other ones.
We've talked about that before, to just trying to hammer
that home.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
That's all well, but I think there's a part of
it that really matters. That's what stood out to me
more than anything, because it's what I want. I want
to play as many AFC North games as possible early
in the season, and a division filled with new coaches, transition, uncertainty,
better to play them now than later on, So sign
me up for it. If I could get back to
(02:40):
back games against any combination of those teams in September,
hell yes, and I would be willing to bet. Zach
Taylor would agree absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I mean, especially Baltimore, because Baltimore feels like a team
that there's obviously a lot you feel like they'll probably
get it rolling. They have enough good players, you know,
but it is still a first time head coach, first
time coordinator where it does feel like there'll be one
that it might take a little bit of time to
get everything fully adjusted. If you could just get one
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of those early and not have this not be one
of those years where you play Baltimore in like December
fifth and January third or something. I think it shifts
an advantage at the very least. I mean I had
some of the stats I just filtered out the last
five years of first time head coaches and how they
sort of did by weak range, and you can see
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consistently over the years. I mean, there's obviously examples where
teams do better, but there are not a ton of
examples at all of first time head coaches in their
first six weeks having success, right Like it just really
it just doesn't really happen. I mean, they're winning percentages
under four hundred in their first month as a head
coach for the first year, and so yeah, if you
(03:57):
can take advantage of that against your primary rife. And
when we go back through years where the Bengals have
had even just a winning record in the division, they've
won the division and it's been a huge difference. It's
been their best season. When they have teams that can win,
that's usually what it comes back to. And so yeah,
this is a great opportunity where maybe you can catch
some winning in the margins here off this schedule, there
(04:21):
is no way, Not after last year, not after Zach
Taylor talked about it publicly, not after Joe Burrow has
referenced it. There is no way that the NFL is
going to send them to Baltimore on a Thursday night. Correct.
I'm not saying that. I'm not saying on they knew
(04:41):
it last year mode. Yeah, they knew it last year.
Last year they very much were aware. I know because
they told me because I wouldn't shut up about it,
right about the AFC North Road primetime thing that we
kept talking about, the short week stuff a year, and
then the fact that they kept sending them to Baltimore.
We all knew it, like they knew it and still
(05:03):
were like, eh, it kind of works a little bit
better if we just stick it to the Bengals again.
So would I be sitting here like, no, No, they can't.
You're I think they are very much aware of it.
It would seem personal at this point if you keep
doing it. But what's the difference between doing it a
fourth theater row and a fifth theard row. The difference
(05:24):
is they won their last year. That's true, so maybe
it's longer.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So okay, fine, It's like the blowoff in professional wrestling.
It's like, all right, the blowoff is the feud is
over because the Bengals won, or is it? Hey, you
know what, you guys proved you can go to Baltimore
in a short week on Thanksgiving none the lesson wins,
So suck it up. You're going back out there on
a Thursday night. They can't.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
If I'm Zach Taylor, if I'm anybody with that team,
We're doing a press conference on Thursday going like, dude,
like this they are screwing us.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Would I would side with that? Yes, I get a
feeling that you know, they're they're aware enough that I
doubt it happens. But also I do know, and I've
heard this in the past that like those things really
change a lot in the last however many days like
leading up to it, and a lot of times that's
(06:16):
the plan. Like you know, there's a lot of teams
that have things that they want to see go a
certain way, and you're like, all right, we somebody has
to take this one on the chin because we have
to do X, Y and Z, And sometimes that's how
these things come about. And perhaps that I wouldn't rule
that out right like that's how it ends up happening.
So I'm I'm not gonna sit here and count anything
(06:38):
with a Bengals schedule.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Bengals Ravens here in primetime with Trey Hendrickson coming back,
that would be fun.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, And that feels like one that you know, networks
would be after, right. I mean, I think both Bengals
Ravens games are they have been, you know, Lamar Burrow,
the Hendrickson thing, everything about it. I'm interested in see
because the Bengals were a little underserved in the TV
department last year. I thought, like, you know, you had
(07:07):
Thanksgiving or whatever and in the Thursday, but like there
were a lot of Sunday at once on their original schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And what was interesting about that was in twenty twenty four,
the Bengals were not a very good team, but they
were awesome television.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yes, And so I'm curious to see if some of
the buzz that has surrounded this team this offseason, the
big moves that they've made, a lot of talk about Burrow,
helps get them a little bit more prominence in their
schedule and the draw to TVs, I mean, particularly home
(07:39):
games obviously, are they playing an international game feels like it. Yeah,
I mean it's certainly been the lean that you've heard
from everybody you've talked to, is it feels like it's
gonna happen this year. They're just on the short list.
You've got these two obvious opponents where the Bengals will
be a significant draw. They haven't played internationally in a
(07:59):
long time, so yeah, it feels like it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, seven years since twenty nineteen, they haven't been international
in the Borough era.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It just feels like it's time. Yeah, absolutely, And we've
seen a lot of teams. I mean, even if you
just look at both teams they could pay against Atlanta
and Washington both played last year. It's like it's not
rare because we know they're playing internationally next year. It
has really no impact that you might be playing next
year internationally because now there's so many games, there's so
many international you know, everybody kind of is going to
(08:28):
have one of these stretches where they play back to
back years or even three years in a row, even
where you're just that's what the NFL is, and I
think teams are just much more accustomed to it. So yeah,
they feel like they're going to be They're gonna be
a team this year for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Your mock schedule has the Bengals playing the Chiefs on
Black Friday. Yeah, and you've made this point before that
the Bengals have lobby to be one of those teams
playing in the Black Friday game, which I believe.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
This is the third year of twenty three was the
debut of them. So this is.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Probably not gonna happen. And if it was ever gonna happen,
it was gonna start the first year. I want Black
Friday to be our day.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I want it to be like Thanksgiving is in Detroit
and Thanksgiving is in Dallas. I want Black Friday to
be like the day where every year Cincinnati hosts a
pro football game.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, that's not gonna happen. I don't think so. I
think that the league loves it being a chip that
they can give to different places. I think if you,
if you, and maybe Dallas maybe not, but if you
gave the league the ability to get out of Detroit
and Dallas being the permanent hosts because of tradition, they
would because being able to give that to It's not
(09:36):
every year that it's desirable for Detroit to be on TV, right,
we watched this for a lot of years. Yeah, and
even Dallas, I mean, they're always gonna draw because they're
America's team, but like you know, they they like to
be able to put those premier matchups in there and
be able to pick and go draw a number. I mean,
we've seen them promote how many people they got to
(09:57):
watch the thanks Giving Day games, and and usually Dallas
will always draw no matter what. But like they like
having that flexibility, They like being able to toss that
out there and give that to network, so they don't
They're not going to pigeonhole themselves into something like that,
and they haven't to this point. I've interviewed Hans Schroeder, yeah,
(10:17):
Mike North, and I don't know if I've asked them
this question. If I have, I should remember the answer.
But you mentioned the Bengals Day and you may not
know this answer either, but the Bengals have lobby to
be the Black Friday team since they made that game
a part of the schedule. I know in Baseball, like
the Reds request can we open at home every year?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Baseball always honors it. They also request can we not
be at home on Flying Pig Weekend, which they weren't
this year, but they often have been. They don't want
to be home that weekend. The can an NFL team
make specific requests? How many and what's the likelihood that
they're honored.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, that's a great question. I think usually, you know,
there's just there's priorities of requests and I'm with you,
I would like to know more about this process and so,
but there's usually priorities. I mean these you know, whether
it's has to do with stadium concerts, like last year
it was like, oh, this huge concert tour is sending
(11:11):
the schedule makers into a tizzy because they can't how
do you work around? It's forcing teams in different places,
and the Reds are one of the teams that force
the Bengals into you know them trying to work around
Reds home games. And you can usually see, okay, well
that they're going to start there. That's going to be
level one. Then you start getting into the next level
of priorities of like, okay, they just kind of don't
(11:33):
want this, but we can do it, and so I
think some do. But inevitably, this is a TV game
and it all starts with the priority being what do
these what do the networks want games, do they want
when do they want them, where do they want them?
And once they do that, then they try to get
to as much as they can with the logistics being
(11:53):
at the top of the No Christmas games, please, please please.
I'm really worried about the holidays this year because you know,
as you're the same way, like with young kids. Halloween
matters to me too. I'm in like the prime Halloween.
I missed Halloween for a UC game in Salt Lakes.
It's just eight year old. Yeah, you hate that Father
(12:15):
of the Year. I'd rather not. And so that being
on a Saturday this year is a potential for that
to be messed up. All the Christmas games now we're
going to be doing what we're doing the Christmas or
Thanksgiving Eve. Don't bother me. I'm in for that. Like,
but all of these travel I just don't you know
what I mean, Like all of these things, I get it,
they're just it's just the great train is fully out
(12:38):
the state.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So they had three Christmas games on Netflix last year
and they ended up being bad games. And so my
fear is because the NFL is creating more standalone windows,
because the FCC and the Justice Department are looking at
the NFL and whatever. I don't want to dive into
the weeds of that, and so it's it's it's cutting
(13:01):
into Sunday at one o'clock, which so many people love.
I have mixed feelings about this because I love Sunday
at one o'clock. But standalone games are cool. I'm willing
to have as many standalone games as possible, as many
Christmas games as possible. If flex scheduling goes away for good,
I know this will never happen, but my fear is
we're just gonna have more and more games. Like all right,
(13:21):
those games on Netflix, they were bad. If the NFL
could have flexed them, they would have. I have a
bad feeling we're gonna go down the road where it's
like Christmas s there is not going to be flexed.
And eight days before suddenly we find out guess what
the Bengals is gonna play on? Like, I just I
wish they wouldn't play on Christmas. I hate to sound
like an old man whatever, but I just I would
(13:41):
trade all of this if we could permanently get rid
of flex scheduling.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
There should not be a schedule that comes out and
has TVD Maybe it's this day or this day, like
last year, the now we're at the last four weeks
this season, you're gonna have these Saturday games? How many
of the like you not every life revolves around football? No,
And it's like, at some point, do I know they
don't care at all, they don't traveling fan or fans,
(14:08):
but like you make it impossible to be able to
even do anything like that. I am with you. I can't,
I can't stand it, but I again, it goes back
to all the matters of TV. They would never do this.
How can we make sure the networks are always happy
no matter what.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So a couple of years ago, the Bengals were supposed
to play the Browns on Thursday night, and the Bengals
stunk and the Browns stunk, so they moved it off
Thursday night, and there were people in Cleveland who are like, well,
I kind of revolved my life around going to that
game and now, and this was brought up to Roger
Goodell and his response.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Was sorry, yeah, sorry about that, Sorry about that. Our
sport making money revolves around being able to move bad
games off of Thursdays, and that's why it's going to
be no. I the only one I would keep. And
I credit my wife on this is one of her
best sports ideas of all time. Is the Deflexah, you
take the worst game in the Sunday at one window
(15:05):
and force it into the nine thirty am slot, because
when they play those international games at nine thirty we
like them. It's nice to have something on in the morning.
Hold on, don't steep, don't have fantasy football. Once a year,
I get, well, that's your fault, it is my fault.
But once a year, it's like, ah, if they've already
kicked off in Aysterdam and I don't set my line up,
(15:28):
I prefer to have some kind of a game on
rather than the bad pregame shows. Right, And so what
we do is we take the worst game and you
punish those teams for being bad. Look, if we can't
relegate you out of the NFL for being terrible, we
can at least force you to play at nine thirty am. Okay,
(15:48):
so we move them to nine thirty am. It gives
you something to be on instead of having to watch
the pregame shows. People like you talk about it because
your fantasy screw up. And maybe you can hold that
better owners to the top, which I appreciate to see happen. Yeah,
and everybody wins here in this one. I think I
think we should I think we should consider this only
it's a great ada. I like the idea.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
The only on one that I would add is like
we all love business Day specials. Yeah, right, Like twelve
thirty five Reds game is special, Like they're gonna play
one on Thursday, and I have friends who are going,
and I will sit here and I love my job,
but it's.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Like, man, I kind of wish I was with them.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We love I wish the NFL would create like a
six game business Day special package where the game's got
to kick off on like a Thursday afternoon at twelve
thirty wherever that game is played. Tell me there wouldn't
be networks just pushing each other out of the way
to get that package. And tell me, diehard Bengals fan
(16:43):
or even a casual one. One go dude, twelve thirty
Wednesday football and let's go.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
We've talked about we've both been to our favorite game
time start of the year, and it's happened rarely. It's
like a unicorn the Friday afternoon game that has happened,
whether it because of Doubleheader two or US in twenty four,
twenty three, and twenty four, Yes, yes, and it was
the greatest time slot of all time. I'm like, it
was a beautiful day. It was like one o'clock in
(17:08):
the afternoon on a Friday. You can kick off of
work early. That's the spot right there, Friday at one,
let's go. I'm having a hard time reading the comments
on your story. Good did you hide them? I don't
even know how to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I clicked on the little quotation thing and it just
sends me to the bottom, and uh, I'm not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I don't know. I don't read the comments, nor do
I know how to do anything with you. You guys also
got rid of the smiley face in different face mad
face at the bottom. I have no control over the
comment situation. I only hear about them when someone tells
me about something that somebody said, which is what happened
with the first one.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Read Paul Danner Junior's mock schedule before the actual schedule
comes out on Thursday night at the Athletic dot Com.
I do want to discuss your latest podcast, The Growler podcast,
which is the latest one is up and running right now.
I will get to the rookie he's showing up for
Minnie Camp, Joe Burrows in the House, and so much more.
Lots to get to between now and four o'clock with
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Paul Danner Junior on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
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Well for three o'clock, This is ESPN fifteen thirty moth
Edger Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the Growler podcast.
By the way, we got seventeen good minutes after the schedule.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Look at Us doesn't even come out yet. Look at
Us go absolute pros. Yeah, it's a hard one, but
we got to do something.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
When the rookies showed up last week, did anybody or
anything stand out?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I I think it's a fun I think it's a
fun class. Landon Robinson doesn't look like anybody else. And
I mean that in a complimentary way. Yeah, Like he
called himself a stump, and I think I agree, Like,
I mean, you can see how a guy like that
(19:01):
can be impactful. I don't know, there's not a you know,
a ton of people that have been six foot and
two ninety five, But there's a lot of quality players
that have been six'. One so how much is really there,
that like THE nfl is? Weird how is there such
a difference where LIKE i see a bunch of guys
(19:23):
with great careers at six foot in between two ninety
and thir three hundred, pounds and then there's like there's
like none at six foot stead of six y. One,
right it's a very weird. Thing but that, said like
you can just everything you've heard and everything you've seen
in the fact that he has this incredible background avy and,
all it just instantly comes, across, right like it like this,
(19:46):
GUY i don't know how much he's got in, him
but he's gonna get everything out of. It and those
are the guys that succeed off of day. Three AND
i think you meet, him you see, him and you
see How hardy worked And Zach taylor today about he's
gonna be on these. Guys i'm gonna have to hold
back and walk through his which is. Good but, like,
yeah that you, can you can you can feel that
(20:08):
being a, possibility AND i DON'T i don't, Know, like,
well we'll see how it turns. Out but in terms
of first, impressions he he certainly was a good.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
One i'm actively rooting for. Him, YEAH i, mean, like all,
RIGHT i want The bengals to have a, good clean
off season and and be as healthy as possible when
cut down day gets, here and you want, them you
want them to be healthy, competition and you want them
to have a great roster at the end of.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Camp But i'm allowed to root for certain. Dudes root
for that, guy, yeah root for that. Guy you know
self made has done. It and it's just it's it's really.
Interesting there are a lot of guys who are you, like,
man they just look, different, right and something is in
a good. Way, yeah and some of them is like
in a weird. Way so they've Got Eric, gentry THE usc.
(20:56):
Linebacker he makes no sense like AND i mean, that,
like you, know, like how is this personal linebacker in this?
Body it does not. EXIST i had to go back
and filter out players who are six six and two
twenty that have played defense in THE. Nfl, okay none
couldn't find one like in the last this, century, right
and you see him out there at, Linebacker you're, like
(21:18):
how did this even? Work AT? Usc and you it
just looks very. Awkward, yeah so see at the top
of the depth chart YET i uh, NO i, KNOW
i don't know if that's Why swayzey's here. Now so
we Have Swayze bosman in the Housel, yeah top five
name Already swazeman excited about, that but, YEAH i don't
(21:43):
Think gentry is going to be the. Guy the running
backs are kind of interesting from the. UDFAS i, mean
they have three guys at the, top and there's like
four guys that are all kind of the same and
we'll see you, Know Jamal haynes From Georgia, tech Kencharl
bullock who was A South alabama, kid and then they
still have the two guys from last. YEAR i feel
like there's an, option there's a possibility for one of
(22:05):
those guys to rise. Up and they seem to be
really good, stories good dudes that you could, see like
you could see how there's their background leads to, them you,
know proving people wrong a little. Bit so some potential.
There those guys were kind of fun to.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
TALK i took a lot of folks scrabbed onto some
of the stuff that cash Has hell had to say
about being.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Here, yeah and certainly after last year with the contract,
stuff AND i think he's. Refreshing he's refreshing as a,
player he's refreshing as a personality thus. Far AND i
think people just they just want just don't they don't
want the, drama but nobody, wants well speak speak for. Yourself,
(22:46):
yeah well everybody but you once no. Drama AND i
just think it's so everybody just after last, year just
over all of. It and, yeah SO i was out
there at the rookie AND i want to emphasize, how you,
know short the workout and how it is not a Big,
(23:07):
yeah this was not a big, deal but it was
notable to me that one of the first things we
saw was they Had cash as how working on his
drops and you, know working with the linebackers in space
and in coverage and stuff like. That and so you immediately, saw, oh,
okay here it is like, this this is what they've
been talking, about the guy who's they're gonna be able
(23:29):
to use him more in that, way which is what we.
Suspected but you, know first, practice there he is with the,
linebackers you, know working on coverage. Stuff was kind of
right in your. Face Joe burrow gracing everybody with his.
Presence good to see, him, yeah good to see him,
working even through some and put his hands through his hair.
Today so get all the, stuff the, jogging you, know but,
(23:49):
yeah he's. Here he's a part of. It we're so
we're we're without Chasing higgins right now AND Dj turner
uh not here amongst most, notables but outside of, that,
Yeah burrow, here and then you, know the next couple
of weeks it starts to ramp up a little bit.
More right, now they just had basically rookies in kind
of first, year second year guys out there doing field.
(24:12):
Work and then all the vet's that were, there which were,
many were mostly just kind of doing the conditioning stuff
on a separate, field And burrow was amongst, them and
he threw a little bit after.
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tied at. Two Wall Paul Danner junior is here from
The Athletic how's it going?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Wonderful? Yeah you got you preoccupied there now reading the.
COMMENTS i was not reading the. COMMENTS i. WAS i
was checking in on. Something but that's. Okay anything any
news or anything big, happening nothing to, report anything significant
yet report? Yet, yeah, okay all, right, okay so maybe there's.
SEEDS i don't. KNOW i don't. KNOW i don't. Know,
okay quit badgering. ME i know what you're like when
(26:35):
something is going. On, yeah something was going, on but.
NOTHING i think we're okay right.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Now on your, podcast you Interviewed Sam, francis the director
Of Football. Research, yes and WHAT i liked about this
is he has no issue with the fourth down Bot twitter. Feed,
YES i would say somebody like him would resent the
fourth down, BOW i.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
WONDERED i wondered, if like if they, did because it's
one of my five Favorite twitter. FEEDS i enjoyed it,
is AND i enjoyed it as a good baseline for
a fun part of the conversation where he was, like,
no that's. That it's great to have that foundation of
this is what the numbers generally look. Like he's, like
but you, know for, us there's so many other things
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that go into it in terms of the types of
game we want to, play how we're playing. Today that
all changes the math so, dramatically what type of team
you have in, general and then what's unfolding over the
course of the. Day how many times have you been
stopped that, Day like what, matchups, like all of that
stuff affects the. Math and then he kind of pointed,
(27:38):
out but we don't have access to put all those
new numbers in during the. Game we're still working on.
That they're now just now starting to get to use
some of the play by play data during the. Game he's,
like but you're kind of out there just using what
you have coming into, it and so the math changes
and sometimes they're doing their own math calculations in their own,
head but it usually is going to be you, know
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anything that is an outliner is typically about the style
of game that that they feel like they need to
be playing on that day or with this team against that.
Team and it was, interesting it was an interesting conversation
because it's it's it's just not never gonna be as
cut as dry as this.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Is, yeah there's the, chart, right there's the chart that
says go for, it not go for. It there's the
chart that says gop for, to not go for to
depending on score and time and stuff like. That those
charts don't factor in things that actually happened during the.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Game, Yeah and and there's just a lot of different
ways that that you can. WIN i, mean you, know
you play The, browns and you know it's not gonna
be a day where you're gonna be trying to go
for it all the, time like you match, up you,
know the style of game you have to play to.
Win some of those don't turn it, over, right don't give,
(28:53):
them don't give an offense that can field, position all that, stuff,
Right like there's and then there's some days like the
entire you're twenty twenty four, season where you know what
it's gonna. Be it's a shootout every week and you're
going forward all the, time and like you're gonna be more,
aggressive and SO i, YEAH i think it's it's interesting
to hear some of the background and how they've come
to terms with.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That are The bengals ahead behind or sort of right
on par with most of the league when it comes to, analytics.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
They're probably LIKE i don't, know they're probably in the bottom,
half but not the bottom quarter now in terms of
like analytics staff or just forward think staff. RESOURCES i, mean,
look you can have ten people and that doesn't mean
(29:43):
that you're more forward thinking than the people that have.
Four like if you look at the analytics, departments and
it's hard to specifically categorize. It Seth walder does a
pretty good job FROM espn putting that out. There but
there's you, know certain people that are maybe they're just
thrown in, there even though they're kind of part of
a different. BUCKET i think they've certainly, GROWN i mean
(30:08):
literally by. PEOPLE i mean there's three of them essentially
now that are working and a lot of the league
looks kind of like that there's some that are you,
know The browns have like an entire.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Team, yeah they were so. Forward they once hired a
BASEBALL gm.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Too. Yeah and does how much of a difference does
that make If i've got eight mathematicians versus, Three, like you,
Know i'm just speaking, generally but, like how much difference
does that? Make? Sure maybe some maybe it, DOES i.
DON'T i do think that they have grown. IT i
think that they're you, know they admit we're a smaller.
(30:45):
Group it's sort of the same conversation you hear around
the scouts, is, yeah it's a smaller, group but there's more.
Cohesion everybody in the analytics department is working closely with
the coaches and the staff and answering the questions that
we know that they need every single day in the.
Week and we've learned their preferences pretty well and how
to give them what they. Want AND i thought it
(31:06):
was really interesting to hear about their approach and how
it's how it's. Grown it's certainly come a long way
from where it used to. Be And sam's a big
reason for. THAT i, mean he's been around here for you,
know he's going as eighth season, now Does, sam do
they have room For director of Common? SENSE i think. So, yeah, yeah,
SURE i mean it'll be. Unpaid, WELL i want some.
(31:28):
GEAR i want my own hotel room on the. Road,
yeah that's. It, Man LIKE i JUST i don't need
more money to do. This i'm. Sure i'm sure we
can get. You we can get you some. Input yeah
here at some whenever you just let me just let me.
Know we'll see if we.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Can just the guy who stands there and just, SAYS
i don't, know, man second and, TEN i would run
the ball your.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Zach, okay you, KNOW i think there's A director of Common.
SENSE i think there's would fall under that. Umbrella you've
had a chance to catch up With Shamar. Stewart, yeah,
Today uh well there. Was you, know the locker room
was was going pretty good because it was the first
day a lot of some of the veterans we were.
BACK i Think shmart had been, around BUT i. Hadn't
we hadn't seen him, yet so we a few of
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us were talking to him and he was. INTERESTING i
just sort of asked him about what he took from
last year and going, forward and he, SAID i got beat.
Up he, Said i'm not going down out of, fight
AND i thought it was like it was kind of
a he ADMITTED i TOOK i took a lot of.
LOSSES i wasn't, great and he you, know whether it
(32:31):
was on and off the, field some stuff that. Happened
but he very much sounded like a guy who's, LIKE
i recognize THAT i got to come out here and
fight for this stuff. Now and maybe maybe a little
bit of a light bulb went. ON i thought it
was an interesting conversation with. Him he's sugar free, now sugar?
Free sugar? Free, yeah so he. Said he pointed out
(32:52):
that if someone came to you and said if if
you go sugar, free it's a good chance you could
play ten years plus in THE, nfl you probably do it.
Too Uh, so maybe that was a. Conversation remember this
was A Miles murphy thing. Too do you like? Sugar
remember did he cut out his cereals and all that
and what? Happened oh he kind of blew up at
the end of. Season there you. Go so maybe this
(33:12):
is going to be the same sugar has been holding
down the Entire bengals draft pit draft classes for. Years.
Wow maybe so this this will be a thing now moving.
Forward when they vet the draft picks and they vet the,
prospects what your feelings on? Sugar how do you? What
what kind of? Cereal what are you putting in your
body in the, morning that sort of. Thing well. Good
when he says he was taking l's was it because
of the contract thing or the injury OR i think
(33:33):
it was a little bit of. EVERYTHING i think it
was probably a little. Bit he just SAID i took
a lot of losses last, year was what he. Said
AND i think he was speaking in generally about just
Didn't he's, Like i'm not gonna sit here and say it.
Went it all went? Well like it. Didn't it was a.
WASH i mean it. WAS i would LOVE i would
love to have seen how he would have played and
(33:57):
developed healthy mm. HMMM i MEAN i would have liked
to have seen. IT i felt like what we saw
was a very incomplete.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
PACKAGE i felt like that was about two and a
half days during training camp where he was a turning
he's turning, heads guy turning.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Heads it was more than two and a. Half it.
Was it was two and a half. WEEKS i mean
it was the whole month when he came into. Camp
he was every day making. Plays you noted, him you saw,
him he was batting down, passes he's so, quick like
you saw his. Athleticism all of that was a part of.
It and then you, know we just never really saw that.
(34:34):
Guy he certainly looked lost more often than you would
have liked to have seen last. YEAR i, try we'll
find in the. Ball but he was also raw and
inexperienced and not getting a lot of reps because of
injury and then because of the contract stuff in the off,
season and so he feels like a real interested to
(34:54):
see what a fresh start looks like for this. Guy
and the other thing, is you, know he probably needed
a little more leadership in his. Room and that's no
disrespect to the guys that were in, there but like
one of the first things he said when asked About
Dexter lawrence that struck me was he's, like, man he's a,
leader and we're hearing a lot of that. GOOD i
mean the fact, that, yeah the idea that you, Know
(35:16):
Zach taylor's at today about he was just shocked That
dexter decided to be here from the moment he, Signed,
yeah has been there every. Day and that's the thing
That i've heard in talking to people around Is they're, like,
man you immediately know this dude is like an alpha of.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
All the things that stood out during The Dexter lawrence news.
Wave seeing the picture of him on That monday after
he was traded Wearing bengals gear working out is WHAT
i remember the.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Most, YEAH i, mean like that probably. Happens doesn't happen like?
That that often very. Rare, yeah, yeah but you can, see,
yeah how that you, know can have an impact on
a player Like samar, specifically like just somebody who is
gonna be the leader to push him in the room
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and remind him of what he needs to be doing
and should be, doing and making sure he's in his
playbook and all the things that young guys. Need and
SO i think that guys like him and the other
guys that are brought in been brought into whether it's
boye or, whatever ALL i think all of those guys
can go a long way to Helping schamar kind of you,
(36:25):
KNOW i gonna grow ups the right, word but like
grow into HIS nfl future a little.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Bit, yeah and do so in year, two which would
be accelerated compared To Miles, murphy who were all excited, about.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And imagine if he. Does, YES i think that's the
exciting thing is if you get some semblance of what
you thought you were getting with a first round, pick
with that kind of athleticism and traits at now as
your third or fourth edge. RUSHER i, mean you know
(37:00):
you're you're cooking with real gas at that.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Point, well your Guy austin mock at The athletic who
ranked all the, rosters seems to be skeptical about the pass.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Rush so why don't you take that up with? HIM
i won't you guys have like a slack or, something
OR i MEAN i could slack. HIM i don't know
THAT i will do, that you.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Know and just The bengals still have concerns at edge
rusher and. Linebacker WOULD i would agree heartily with.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Both i'd agree with half of. IT i agree with
half of.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It BUT i think the potential for what they have
getting after the quarterback is so fun to think. About,
yeah and there's a lot of like best case scenarios
that would have.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
UNFOLD i JUST i just go back to really not
just not just the defensive and that and that is
a huge part of, It like just the fact that
they're just not relying on unknowns, right like there are
no there's just not a ton OF i, mean think
about all the rookies that you knew were playing it
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this time last. Year everybody that they're really relying. On
AND i know the linebackers are a question and that's,
fair but like almost everybody they're really relying, on they
know who they're getting, like they know what's, there and
those players know what they're getting themselves. Into and it
just makes such a difference in terms of what you
(38:23):
can and the chance it just so lessens the chance
of it blowing up in your face like it did last,
year and that's. Important Austin mok's, piece you can read
the comments GOOD i Maybe i'll check in on. This
i'm sure there are people with. Thoughts Paul Danner.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Jr you can read him at The athletic dot com
and catch the brow The growler. Podcast the conversation was
saying with.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
GOOD i can't even talk with.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Us Sam francis was. Terrific get that on YouTube or
as we, say where you get your podcasts and enjoy
schedule release.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Night i'm very much looking.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Forward do you have anything as a special plan for
schedule release, night live shit live.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Show, yeah we're going live right. Afterwards, uh we'll be
going live after the schedule comes out about eight. Fifteen
myself And jay will be. Reacting you want to drop,
in you have something going? On we have a six
hour schedule release. Show oh you're, On SO i am.
On now what time does your? Start, uh we'll probably
start it a little after, eight but SO i am
(39:21):
on With tony in the eight to ten. Window you
guys will not still be added a ten. O'clock, boy
if we are something that's gone to call me in
And i'll pop in And i'll give you something people
want to watch me like sleeping live on The internet
and might be what we will be.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Doing but we we do have a six hour schedule release,
Show so for, you maybe during a break or, Something
i'll briefly pop in and, say.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
You don't have to do. THAT i. APPRECIATE i appreciate
all that you do for. Us but, yeah we'll Be
we'll be on live on the Old internet for. YOU
i show up and make a little. JOKE i love,
it interrupt the hard hitting football. Analysis and then my
favorite part of WHAT i appear on the podcast IS
i will watch it like that day or the next
day is the moment you guys say goodbye to. Me
(40:04):
there's always like, this like you, Ever like like when
you're at a party and the drunkest person there, Leaves,
yeah and they walk out the door and you shut
the door behind him and they get into an uber
and everybody just looks at each. Other that's kind of
what you And jay or you and whoever will do
the MOMENT i say goodbye on the, podcast not only
(40:24):
because it always ends on such a, fun happy note
where you're just, like, Oh i'm JUST i was enjoying
myself so much. There that's What that's what it's all all.
ABOUT i appreciate all the time you give us The
athletic Dot com or The growlar. Podcast. Paul. Thanks there's
alien news too that we're gonna have to get too.
Soon i'm just we're diving into the heart of nothing
(40:44):
else going. On, yes so there's a lot for us to.
Do we can focus a whole show on.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
THAT i CANNOT i cannot wait for. That Ellie Dahla
cruz had dinner In cincinnati with his. Agent where they
ate does not matter the fact that they did eat.
Does that is incredible sports talk radio teasing by. Me
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Speaker 3 (41:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
To show by mentioning that.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Because apparently that's news, not that Ellie and his agent
aren't in town together, but where they dined. So let's
just make sure we establish that we know that, and
maybe we can get some free food out of it too.
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on a whole bunch of different Bengals related issues, including
(00:55):
the mock schedule.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
What a day. The mock schedule is a tent whole events.
Is it of the off? Yes? Is it? Oh? Yes?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You can't have the schedule release, which is Thursday without
the mock schedule at the athletic.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
The silliness of the mock schedule. I enjoy that it
does kind of poke fun at mock draft season. Nobody
else participates in mock schedules, right, you know, nobody else
wants in, nobody wants a piece. The first comment or
said had something to say to the fact of like,
this isn't fun for us because this isn't realistic. That yeah,
none of them are realistic.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well, I'm glad you did that, because I can't remember
what the story was. But I had you in here
one day for one of your one of your stories,
and I read comments to you. Yeah, and I was
gonna do that today. That's okay, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I don't understand that, because the point of this is
not to be realistic. It is to show people these
are the best case scenarios for things, not I'm trying
to get it right. This is not trying to get
it right. And I feel like I say it a
lot at the top of the story. So for them,
the first person to be like this is a realistic,
(01:59):
it's just it's frustrating. It's frustrating, That's all I can understand.
But I feel like I hammered home the point of
this is a good year for the Bengals to try
to play their North teams early on, and that could
be beneficial as well as some of the other ones.
We've talked about that before, to just trying to hammer
that home.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
That's all well, but I think there's a part of
it that really matters. That's what stood out to me
more than anything, because it's what I want. I want
to play as many AFC North games as possible early
in the season, and a division filled with new coaches, transition, uncertainty,
better to play them now than later on, So sign
me up for it. If I could get back to
(02:40):
back games against any combination of those teams in September,
hell yes, and I would be willing to bet. Zach
Taylor would agree absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I mean, especially Baltimore, because Baltimore feels like a team
that there's obviously a lot you feel like they'll probably
get it rolling. They have enough good players, you know,
but it is still a first time head coach, first
time coordinator where it does feel like there'll be one
that it might take a little bit of time to
get everything fully adjusted. If you could just get one
(03:12):
of those early and not have this not be one
of those years where you play Baltimore in like December
fifth and January third or something. I think it shifts
an advantage at the very least. I mean I had
some of the stats I just filtered out the last
five years of first time head coaches and how they
sort of did by weak range, and you can see
(03:36):
consistently over the years. I mean, there's obviously examples where
teams do better, but there are not a ton of
examples at all of first time head coaches in their
first six weeks having success, right Like it just really
it just doesn't really happen. I mean, they're winning percentages
under four hundred in their first month as a head
coach for the first year, and so yeah, if you
(03:57):
can take advantage of that against your primary rife. And
when we go back through years where the Bengals have
had even just a winning record in the division, they've
won the division and it's been a huge difference. It's
been their best season. When they have teams that can win,
that's usually what it comes back to. And so yeah,
this is a great opportunity where maybe you can catch
some winning in the margins here off this schedule, there
(04:21):
is no way, Not after last year, not after Zach
Taylor talked about it publicly, not after Joe Burrow has
referenced it. There is no way that the NFL is
going to send them to Baltimore on a Thursday night. Correct.
I'm not saying that. I'm not saying on they knew
(04:41):
it last year mode. Yeah, they knew it last year.
Last year they very much were aware. I know because
they told me because I wouldn't shut up about it,
right about the AFC North Road primetime thing that we
kept talking about, the short week stuff a year, and
then the fact that they kept sending them to Baltimore.
We all knew it, like they knew it and still
(05:03):
were like, eh, it kind of works a little bit
better if we just stick it to the Bengals again.
So would I be sitting here like, no, No, they can't.
You're I think they are very much aware of it.
It would seem personal at this point if you keep
doing it. But what's the difference between doing it a
fourth theater row and a fifth theard row. The difference
(05:24):
is they won their last year. That's true, so maybe
it's longer.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So okay, fine, It's like the blowoff in professional wrestling.
It's like, all right, the blowoff is the feud is
over because the Bengals won, or is it? Hey, you
know what, you guys proved you can go to Baltimore
in a short week on Thanksgiving none the lesson wins,
So suck it up. You're going back out there on
a Thursday night. They can't.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
If I'm Zach Taylor, if I'm anybody with that team,
We're doing a press conference on Thursday going like, dude,
like this they are screwing us.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Would I would side with that? Yes, I get a
feeling that you know, they're they're aware enough that I
doubt it happens. But also I do know, and I've
heard this in the past that like those things really
change a lot in the last however many days like
leading up to it, and a lot of times that's
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the plan. Like you know, there's a lot of teams
that have things that they want to see go a
certain way, and you're like, all right, we somebody has
to take this one on the chin because we have
to do X, Y and Z, And sometimes that's how
these things come about. And perhaps that I wouldn't rule
that out right like that's how it ends up happening.
So I'm I'm not gonna sit here and count anything
(06:38):
with a Bengals schedule.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Bengals Ravens here in primetime with Trey Hendrickson coming back,
that would be fun.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, And that feels like one that you know, networks
would be after, right. I mean, I think both Bengals
Ravens games are they have been, you know, Lamar Burrow,
the Hendrickson thing, everything about it. I'm interested in see
because the Bengals were a little underserved in the TV
department last year. I thought, like, you know, you had
(07:07):
Thanksgiving or whatever and in the Thursday, but like there
were a lot of Sunday at once on their original schedule.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And what was interesting about that was in twenty twenty four,
the Bengals were not a very good team, but they
were awesome television.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yes, And so I'm curious to see if some of
the buzz that has surrounded this team this offseason, the
big moves that they've made, a lot of talk about Burrow,
helps get them a little bit more prominence in their
schedule and the draw to TVs, I mean, particularly home
(07:39):
games obviously, are they playing an international game feels like it. Yeah,
I mean it's certainly been the lean that you've heard
from everybody you've talked to, is it feels like it's
gonna happen this year. They're just on the short list.
You've got these two obvious opponents where the Bengals will
be a significant draw. They haven't played internationally in a
(07:59):
long time, so yeah, it feels like it.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, seven years since twenty nineteen, they haven't been international
in the Borough era.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
It just feels like it's time. Yeah, absolutely, And we've
seen a lot of teams. I mean, even if you
just look at both teams they could pay against Atlanta
and Washington both played last year. It's like it's not
rare because we know they're playing internationally next year. It
has really no impact that you might be playing next
year internationally because now there's so many games, there's so
many international you know, everybody kind of is going to
(08:28):
have one of these stretches where they play back to
back years or even three years in a row, even
where you're just that's what the NFL is, and I
think teams are just much more accustomed to it. So yeah,
they feel like they're going to be They're gonna be
a team this year for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Your mock schedule has the Bengals playing the Chiefs on
Black Friday. Yeah, and you've made this point before that
the Bengals have lobby to be one of those teams
playing in the Black Friday game, which I believe.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
This is the third year of twenty three was the
debut of them. So this is.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Probably not gonna happen. And if it was ever gonna happen,
it was gonna start the first year. I want Black
Friday to be our day.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I want it to be like Thanksgiving is in Detroit
and Thanksgiving is in Dallas. I want Black Friday to
be like the day where every year Cincinnati hosts a
pro football game.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, that's not gonna happen. I don't think so. I
think that the league loves it being a chip that
they can give to different places. I think if you,
if you, and maybe Dallas maybe not, but if you
gave the league the ability to get out of Detroit
and Dallas being the permanent hosts because of tradition, they
would because being able to give that to It's not
(09:36):
every year that it's desirable for Detroit to be on TV, right,
we watched this for a lot of years. Yeah, and
even Dallas, I mean, they're always gonna draw because they're
America's team, but like you know, they they like to
be able to put those premier matchups in there and
be able to pick and go draw a number. I mean,
we've seen them promote how many people they got to
(09:57):
watch the thanks Giving Day games, and and usually Dallas
will always draw no matter what. But like they like
having that flexibility, They like being able to toss that
out there and give that to network, so they don't
They're not going to pigeonhole themselves into something like that,
and they haven't to this point. I've interviewed Hans Schroeder, yeah,
(10:17):
Mike North, and I don't know if I've asked them
this question. If I have, I should remember the answer.
But you mentioned the Bengals Day and you may not
know this answer either, but the Bengals have lobby to
be the Black Friday team since they made that game
a part of the schedule. I know in Baseball, like
the Reds request can we open at home every year?
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Baseball always honors it. They also request can we not
be at home on Flying Pig Weekend, which they weren't
this year, but they often have been. They don't want
to be home that weekend. The can an NFL team
make specific requests? How many and what's the likelihood that
they're honored.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, that's a great question. I think usually, you know,
there's just there's priorities of requests and I'm with you,
I would like to know more about this process and so,
but there's usually priorities. I mean these you know, whether
it's has to do with stadium concerts, like last year
it was like, oh, this huge concert tour is sending
(11:11):
the schedule makers into a tizzy because they can't how
do you work around? It's forcing teams in different places,
and the Reds are one of the teams that force
the Bengals into you know them trying to work around
Reds home games. And you can usually see, okay, well
that they're going to start there. That's going to be
level one. Then you start getting into the next level
of priorities of like, okay, they just kind of don't
(11:33):
want this, but we can do it, and so I
think some do. But inevitably, this is a TV game
and it all starts with the priority being what do
these what do the networks want games, do they want
when do they want them, where do they want them?
And once they do that, then they try to get
to as much as they can with the logistics being
(11:53):
at the top of the No Christmas games, please, please please.
I'm really worried about the holidays this year because you know,
as you're the same way, like with young kids. Halloween
matters to me too. I'm in like the prime Halloween.
I missed Halloween for a UC game in Salt Lakes.
It's just eight year old. Yeah, you hate that Father
(12:15):
of the Year. I'd rather not. And so that being
on a Saturday this year is a potential for that
to be messed up. All the Christmas games now we're
going to be doing what we're doing the Christmas or
Thanksgiving Eve. Don't bother me. I'm in for that. Like,
but all of these travel I just don't you know
what I mean, Like all of these things, I get it,
they're just it's just the great train is fully out
(12:38):
the state.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So they had three Christmas games on Netflix last year
and they ended up being bad games. And so my
fear is because the NFL is creating more standalone windows,
because the FCC and the Justice Department are looking at
the NFL and whatever. I don't want to dive into
the weeds of that, and so it's it's it's cutting
(13:01):
into Sunday at one o'clock, which so many people love.
I have mixed feelings about this because I love Sunday
at one o'clock. But standalone games are cool. I'm willing
to have as many standalone games as possible, as many
Christmas games as possible. If flex scheduling goes away for good,
I know this will never happen, but my fear is
we're just gonna have more and more games. Like all right,
(13:21):
those games on Netflix, they were bad. If the NFL
could have flexed them, they would have. I have a
bad feeling we're gonna go down the road where it's
like Christmas s there is not going to be flexed.
And eight days before suddenly we find out guess what
the Bengals is gonna play on? Like, I just I
wish they wouldn't play on Christmas. I hate to sound
like an old man whatever, but I just I would
(13:41):
trade all of this if we could permanently get rid
of flex scheduling.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
There should not be a schedule that comes out and
has TVD Maybe it's this day or this day, like
last year, the now we're at the last four weeks
this season, you're gonna have these Saturday games? How many
of the like you not every life revolves around football? No,
And it's like, at some point, do I know they
don't care at all, they don't traveling fan or fans,
(14:08):
but like you make it impossible to be able to
even do anything like that. I am with you. I can't,
I can't stand it, but I again, it goes back
to all the matters of TV. They would never do this.
How can we make sure the networks are always happy
no matter what.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So a couple of years ago, the Bengals were supposed
to play the Browns on Thursday night, and the Bengals
stunk and the Browns stunk, so they moved it off
Thursday night, and there were people in Cleveland who are like, well,
I kind of revolved my life around going to that
game and now, and this was brought up to Roger
Goodell and his response.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Was sorry, yeah, sorry about that, Sorry about that. Our
sport making money revolves around being able to move bad
games off of Thursdays, and that's why it's going to
be no. I the only one I would keep. And
I credit my wife on this is one of her
best sports ideas of all time. Is the Deflexah, you
take the worst game in the Sunday at one window
(15:05):
and force it into the nine thirty am slot, because
when they play those international games at nine thirty we
like them. It's nice to have something on in the morning.
Hold on, don't steep, don't have fantasy football. Once a year,
I get, well, that's your fault, it is my fault.
But once a year, it's like, ah, if they've already
kicked off in Aysterdam and I don't set my line up,
(15:28):
I prefer to have some kind of a game on
rather than the bad pregame shows. Right, And so what
we do is we take the worst game and you
punish those teams for being bad. Look, if we can't
relegate you out of the NFL for being terrible, we
can at least force you to play at nine thirty am. Okay,
(15:48):
so we move them to nine thirty am. It gives
you something to be on instead of having to watch
the pregame shows. People like you talk about it because
your fantasy screw up. And maybe you can hold that
better owners to the top, which I appreciate to see happen. Yeah,
and everybody wins here in this one. I think I
think we should I think we should consider this only
it's a great ada. I like the idea.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
The only on one that I would add is like
we all love business Day specials. Yeah, right, Like twelve
thirty five Reds game is special, Like they're gonna play
one on Thursday, and I have friends who are going,
and I will sit here and I love my job,
but it's.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Like, man, I kind of wish I was with them.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We love I wish the NFL would create like a
six game business Day special package where the game's got
to kick off on like a Thursday afternoon at twelve
thirty wherever that game is played. Tell me there wouldn't
be networks just pushing each other out of the way
to get that package. And tell me, diehard Bengals fan
(16:43):
or even a casual one. One go dude, twelve thirty
Wednesday football and let's go.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
We've talked about we've both been to our favorite game
time start of the year, and it's happened rarely. It's
like a unicorn the Friday afternoon game that has happened,
whether it because of Doubleheader two or US in twenty four,
twenty three, and twenty four, Yes, yes, and it was
the greatest time slot of all time. I'm like, it
was a beautiful day. It was like one o'clock in
(17:08):
the afternoon on a Friday. You can kick off of
work early. That's the spot right there, Friday at one,
let's go. I'm having a hard time reading the comments
on your story. Good did you hide them? I don't
even know how to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I clicked on the little quotation thing and it just
sends me to the bottom, and uh, I'm not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I don't know. I don't read the comments, nor do
I know how to do anything with you. You guys also
got rid of the smiley face in different face mad
face at the bottom. I have no control over the
comment situation. I only hear about them when someone tells
me about something that somebody said, which is what happened
with the first one.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Read Paul Danner Junior's mock schedule before the actual schedule
comes out on Thursday night at the Athletic dot Com.
I do want to discuss your latest podcast, The Growler podcast,
which is the latest one is up and running right now.
I will get to the rookie he's showing up for
Minnie Camp, Joe Burrows in the House, and so much more.
Lots to get to between now and four o'clock with
(18:06):
Paul Danner Junior on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Well for three o'clock, This is ESPN fifteen thirty moth
Edger Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the Growler podcast.
By the way, we got seventeen good minutes after the schedule.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Look at Us doesn't even come out yet. Look at
Us go absolute pros. Yeah, it's a hard one, but
we got to do something.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
When the rookies showed up last week, did anybody or
anything stand out?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I I think it's a fun I think it's a
fun class. Landon Robinson doesn't look like anybody else. And
I mean that in a complimentary way. Yeah, Like he
called himself a stump, and I think I agree, Like,
I mean, you can see how a guy like that
(19:01):
can be impactful. I don't know, there's not a you know,
a ton of people that have been six foot and
two ninety five, But there's a lot of quality players
that have been six'. One so how much is really there,
that like THE nfl is? Weird how is there such
a difference where LIKE i see a bunch of guys
(19:23):
with great careers at six foot in between two ninety
and thir three hundred, pounds and then there's like there's
like none at six foot stead of six y. One,
right it's a very weird. Thing but that, said like
you can just everything you've heard and everything you've seen
in the fact that he has this incredible background avy and,
all it just instantly comes, across, right like it like this,
(19:46):
GUY i don't know how much he's got in, him
but he's gonna get everything out of. It and those
are the guys that succeed off of day. Three AND
i think you meet, him you see, him and you
see How hardy worked And Zach taylor today about he's
gonna be on these. Guys i'm gonna have to hold
back and walk through his which is. Good but, like,
yeah that you, can you can you can feel that
(20:08):
being a, possibility AND i DON'T i don't, Know, like,
well we'll see how it turns. Out but in terms
of first, impressions he he certainly was a good.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
One i'm actively rooting for. Him, YEAH i, mean, like all,
RIGHT i want The bengals to have a, good clean
off season and and be as healthy as possible when
cut down day gets, here and you want, them you
want them to be healthy, competition and you want them
to have a great roster at the end of.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Camp But i'm allowed to root for certain. Dudes root
for that, guy, yeah root for that. Guy you know
self made has done. It and it's just it's it's really.
Interesting there are a lot of guys who are you, like,
man they just look, different, right and something is in
a good. Way, yeah and some of them is like
in a weird. Way so they've Got Eric, gentry THE usc.
(20:56):
Linebacker he makes no sense like AND i mean, that,
like you, know, like how is this personal linebacker in this?
Body it does not. EXIST i had to go back
and filter out players who are six six and two
twenty that have played defense in THE. Nfl, okay none
couldn't find one like in the last this, century, right
and you see him out there at, Linebacker you're, like
(21:18):
how did this even? Work AT? Usc and you it
just looks very. Awkward, yeah so see at the top
of the depth chart YET i uh, NO i, KNOW
i don't know if that's Why swayzey's here. Now so
we Have Swayze bosman in the Housel, yeah top five
name Already swazeman excited about, that but, YEAH i don't
(21:43):
Think gentry is going to be the. Guy the running
backs are kind of interesting from the. UDFAS i, mean
they have three guys at the, top and there's like
four guys that are all kind of the same and
we'll see you, Know Jamal haynes From Georgia, tech Kencharl
bullock who was A South alabama, kid and then they
still have the two guys from last. YEAR i feel
like there's an, option there's a possibility for one of
(22:05):
those guys to rise. Up and they seem to be
really good, stories good dudes that you could, see like
you could see how there's their background leads to, them you,
know proving people wrong a little. Bit so some potential.
There those guys were kind of fun to.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
TALK i took a lot of folks scrabbed onto some
of the stuff that cash Has hell had to say
about being.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Here, yeah and certainly after last year with the contract,
stuff AND i think he's. Refreshing he's refreshing as a,
player he's refreshing as a personality thus. Far AND i
think people just they just want just don't they don't
want the, drama but nobody, wants well speak speak for. Yourself,
(22:46):
yeah well everybody but you once no. Drama AND i
just think it's so everybody just after last, year just
over all of. It and, yeah SO i was out
there at the rookie AND i want to emphasize, how you,
know short the workout and how it is not a Big,
(23:07):
yeah this was not a big, deal but it was
notable to me that one of the first things we
saw was they Had cash as how working on his
drops and you, know working with the linebackers in space
and in coverage and stuff like. That and so you immediately, saw, oh,
okay here it is like, this this is what they've
been talking, about the guy who's they're gonna be able
(23:29):
to use him more in that, way which is what we.
Suspected but you, know first, practice there he is with the,
linebackers you, know working on coverage. Stuff was kind of
right in your. Face Joe burrow gracing everybody with his.
Presence good to see, him, yeah good to see him,
working even through some and put his hands through his hair.
Today so get all the, stuff the, jogging you, know but,
(23:49):
yeah he's. Here he's a part of. It we're so
we're we're without Chasing higgins right now AND Dj turner
uh not here amongst most, notables but outside of, that,
Yeah burrow, here and then you, know the next couple
of weeks it starts to ramp up a little bit.
More right, now they just had basically rookies in kind
of first, year second year guys out there doing field.
(24:12):
Work and then all the vet's that were, there which were,
many were mostly just kind of doing the conditioning stuff
on a separate, field And burrow was amongst, them and
he threw a little bit after.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
That Paul Danner junior From The athletic in The grawlar,
podcast speaking of which you Interviewed Sam, francis The director
Of Football, research which is a cool job, title AND
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The Athletic how's it going?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Wonderful? Yeah you got you preoccupied there now reading the.
COMMENTS i was not reading the. COMMENTS i. WAS i
was checking in on. Something but that's. Okay anything any
news or anything big, happening nothing to, report anything significant
yet report? Yet, yeah, okay all, right, okay so maybe there's.
SEEDS i don't. KNOW i don't. KNOW i don't. Know,
okay quit badgering. ME i know what you're like when
(26:35):
something is going. On, yeah something was going, on but.
NOTHING i think we're okay right.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Now on your, podcast you Interviewed Sam, francis the director
Of Football. Research, yes and WHAT i liked about this
is he has no issue with the fourth down Bot twitter. Feed,
YES i would say somebody like him would resent the
fourth down, BOW i.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
WONDERED i wondered, if like if they, did because it's
one of my five Favorite twitter. FEEDS i enjoyed it,
is AND i enjoyed it as a good baseline for
a fun part of the conversation where he was, like,
no that's. That it's great to have that foundation of
this is what the numbers generally look. Like he's, like
but you, know for, us there's so many other things
(27:16):
that go into it in terms of the types of
game we want to, play how we're playing. Today that
all changes the math so, dramatically what type of team
you have in, general and then what's unfolding over the
course of the. Day how many times have you been
stopped that, Day like what, matchups, like all of that
stuff affects the. Math and then he kind of pointed,
(27:38):
out but we don't have access to put all those
new numbers in during the. Game we're still working on.
That they're now just now starting to get to use
some of the play by play data during the. Game he's,
like but you're kind of out there just using what
you have coming into, it and so the math changes
and sometimes they're doing their own math calculations in their own,
head but it usually is going to be you, know
(28:00):
anything that is an outliner is typically about the style
of game that that they feel like they need to
be playing on that day or with this team against that.
Team and it was, interesting it was an interesting conversation
because it's it's it's just not never gonna be as
cut as dry as this.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Is, yeah there's the, chart, right there's the chart that
says go for, it not go for. It there's the
chart that says gop for, to not go for to
depending on score and time and stuff like. That those
charts don't factor in things that actually happened during the.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Game, Yeah and and there's just a lot of different
ways that that you can. WIN i, mean you, know
you play The, browns and you know it's not gonna
be a day where you're gonna be trying to go
for it all the, time like you match, up you,
know the style of game you have to play to.
Win some of those don't turn it, over, right don't give,
(28:53):
them don't give an offense that can field, position all that, stuff,
Right like there's and then there's some days like the
entire you're twenty twenty four, season where you know what
it's gonna. Be it's a shootout every week and you're
going forward all the, time and like you're gonna be more,
aggressive and SO i, YEAH i think it's it's interesting
to hear some of the background and how they've come
to terms with.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That are The bengals ahead behind or sort of right
on par with most of the league when it comes to, analytics.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
They're probably LIKE i don't, know they're probably in the bottom,
half but not the bottom quarter now in terms of
like analytics staff or just forward think staff. RESOURCES i, mean,
look you can have ten people and that doesn't mean
(29:43):
that you're more forward thinking than the people that have.
Four like if you look at the analytics, departments and
it's hard to specifically categorize. It Seth walder does a
pretty good job FROM espn putting that out. There but
there's you, know certain people that are maybe they're just
thrown in, there even though they're kind of part of
a different. BUCKET i think they've certainly, GROWN i mean
(30:08):
literally by. PEOPLE i mean there's three of them essentially
now that are working and a lot of the league
looks kind of like that there's some that are you,
know The browns have like an entire.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Team, yeah they were so. Forward they once hired a
BASEBALL gm.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Too. Yeah and does how much of a difference does
that make If i've got eight mathematicians versus, Three, like you,
Know i'm just speaking, generally but, like how much difference
does that? Make? Sure maybe some maybe it, DOES i.
DON'T i do think that they have grown. IT i
think that they're you, know they admit we're a smaller.
(30:45):
Group it's sort of the same conversation you hear around
the scouts, is, yeah it's a smaller, group but there's more.
Cohesion everybody in the analytics department is working closely with
the coaches and the staff and answering the questions that
we know that they need every single day in the.
Week and we've learned their preferences pretty well and how
to give them what they. Want AND i thought it
(31:06):
was really interesting to hear about their approach and how
it's how it's. Grown it's certainly come a long way
from where it used to. Be And sam's a big
reason for. THAT i, mean he's been around here for you,
know he's going as eighth season, now Does, sam do
they have room For director of Common? SENSE i think. So, yeah, yeah,
SURE i mean it'll be. Unpaid, WELL i want some.
(31:28):
GEAR i want my own hotel room on the. Road,
yeah that's. It, Man LIKE i JUST i don't need
more money to do. This i'm. Sure i'm sure we
can get. You we can get you some. Input yeah
here at some whenever you just let me just let me.
Know we'll see if we.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Can just the guy who stands there and just, SAYS
i don't, know, man second and, TEN i would run
the ball your.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Zach, okay you, KNOW i think there's A director of Common.
SENSE i think there's would fall under that. Umbrella you've
had a chance to catch up With Shamar. Stewart, yeah,
Today uh well there. Was you, know the locker room
was was going pretty good because it was the first
day a lot of some of the veterans we were.
BACK i Think shmart had been, around BUT i. Hadn't
we hadn't seen him, yet so we a few of
(32:09):
us were talking to him and he was. INTERESTING i
just sort of asked him about what he took from
last year and going, forward and he, SAID i got beat.
Up he, Said i'm not going down out of, fight
AND i thought it was like it was kind of
a he ADMITTED i TOOK i took a lot of.
LOSSES i wasn't, great and he you, know whether it
(32:31):
was on and off the, field some stuff that. Happened
but he very much sounded like a guy who's, LIKE
i recognize THAT i got to come out here and
fight for this stuff. Now and maybe maybe a little
bit of a light bulb went. ON i thought it
was an interesting conversation with. Him he's sugar free, now sugar?
Free sugar? Free, yeah so he. Said he pointed out
(32:52):
that if someone came to you and said if if
you go sugar, free it's a good chance you could
play ten years plus in THE, nfl you probably do it.
Too Uh, so maybe that was a. Conversation remember this
was A Miles murphy thing. Too do you like? Sugar
remember did he cut out his cereals and all that
and what? Happened oh he kind of blew up at
the end of. Season there you. Go so maybe this
(33:12):
is going to be the same sugar has been holding
down the Entire bengals draft pit draft classes for. Years.
Wow maybe so this this will be a thing now moving.
Forward when they vet the draft picks and they vet the,
prospects what your feelings on? Sugar how do you? What
what kind of? Cereal what are you putting in your
body in the, morning that sort of. Thing well. Good
when he says he was taking l's was it because
of the contract thing or the injury OR i think
(33:33):
it was a little bit of. EVERYTHING i think it
was probably a little. Bit he just SAID i took
a lot of losses last, year was what he. Said
AND i think he was speaking in generally about just
Didn't he's, Like i'm not gonna sit here and say it.
Went it all went? Well like it. Didn't it was a.
WASH i mean it. WAS i would LOVE i would
love to have seen how he would have played and
(33:57):
developed healthy mm. HMMM i MEAN i would have liked
to have seen. IT i felt like what we saw
was a very incomplete.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
PACKAGE i felt like that was about two and a
half days during training camp where he was a turning
he's turning, heads guy turning.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Heads it was more than two and a. Half it.
Was it was two and a half. WEEKS i mean
it was the whole month when he came into. Camp
he was every day making. Plays you noted, him you saw,
him he was batting down, passes he's so, quick like
you saw his. Athleticism all of that was a part of.
It and then you, know we just never really saw that.
(34:34):
Guy he certainly looked lost more often than you would
have liked to have seen last. YEAR i, try we'll
find in the. Ball but he was also raw and
inexperienced and not getting a lot of reps because of
injury and then because of the contract stuff in the off,
season and so he feels like a real interested to
(34:54):
see what a fresh start looks like for this. Guy
and the other thing, is you, know he probably needed
a little more leadership in his. Room and that's no
disrespect to the guys that were in, there but like
one of the first things he said when asked About
Dexter lawrence that struck me was he's, like, man he's a,
leader and we're hearing a lot of that. GOOD i
mean the fact, that, yeah the idea that you, Know
(35:16):
Zach taylor's at today about he was just shocked That
dexter decided to be here from the moment he, Signed,
yeah has been there every. Day and that's the thing
That i've heard in talking to people around Is they're, like,
man you immediately know this dude is like an alpha of.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
All the things that stood out during The Dexter lawrence news.
Wave seeing the picture of him on That monday after
he was traded Wearing bengals gear working out is WHAT
i remember the.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Most, YEAH i, mean like that probably. Happens doesn't happen like?
That that often very. Rare, yeah, yeah but you can, see,
yeah how that you, know can have an impact on
a player Like samar, specifically like just somebody who is
gonna be the leader to push him in the room
(36:04):
and remind him of what he needs to be doing
and should be, doing and making sure he's in his
playbook and all the things that young guys. Need and
SO i think that guys like him and the other
guys that are brought in been brought into whether it's
boye or, whatever ALL i think all of those guys
can go a long way to Helping schamar kind of you,
(36:25):
KNOW i gonna grow ups the right, word but like
grow into HIS nfl future a little.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Bit, yeah and do so in year, two which would
be accelerated compared To Miles, murphy who were all excited, about.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And imagine if he. Does, YES i think that's the
exciting thing is if you get some semblance of what
you thought you were getting with a first round, pick
with that kind of athleticism and traits at now as
your third or fourth edge. RUSHER i, mean you know
(37:00):
you're you're cooking with real gas at that.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Point, well your Guy austin mock at The athletic who
ranked all the, rosters seems to be skeptical about the pass.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Rush so why don't you take that up with? HIM
i won't you guys have like a slack or, something
OR i MEAN i could slack. HIM i don't know
THAT i will do, that you.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Know and just The bengals still have concerns at edge
rusher and. Linebacker WOULD i would agree heartily with.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Both i'd agree with half of. IT i agree with
half of.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It BUT i think the potential for what they have
getting after the quarterback is so fun to think. About,
yeah and there's a lot of like best case scenarios
that would have.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
UNFOLD i JUST i just go back to really not
just not just the defensive and that and that is
a huge part of, It like just the fact that
they're just not relying on unknowns, right like there are
no there's just not a ton OF i, mean think
about all the rookies that you knew were playing it
(38:00):
this time last. Year everybody that they're really relying. On
AND i know the linebackers are a question and that's,
fair but like almost everybody they're really relying, on they
know who they're getting, like they know what's, there and
those players know what they're getting themselves. Into and it
just makes such a difference in terms of what you
(38:23):
can and the chance it just so lessens the chance
of it blowing up in your face like it did last,
year and that's. Important Austin mok's, piece you can read
the comments GOOD i Maybe i'll check in on. This
i'm sure there are people with. Thoughts Paul Danner.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Jr you can read him at The athletic dot com
and catch the brow The growler. Podcast the conversation was
saying with.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
GOOD i can't even talk with.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Us Sam francis was. Terrific get that on YouTube or
as we, say where you get your podcasts and enjoy
schedule release.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Night i'm very much looking.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Forward do you have anything as a special plan for
schedule release, night live shit live.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Show, yeah we're going live right. Afterwards, uh we'll be
going live after the schedule comes out about eight. Fifteen
myself And jay will be. Reacting you want to drop,
in you have something going? On we have a six
hour schedule release. Show oh you're, On SO i am.
On now what time does your? Start, uh we'll probably
start it a little after, eight but SO i am
(39:21):
on With tony in the eight to ten. Window you
guys will not still be added a ten. O'clock, boy
if we are something that's gone to call me in
And i'll pop in And i'll give you something people
want to watch me like sleeping live on The internet
and might be what we will be.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Doing but we we do have a six hour schedule release,
Show so for, you maybe during a break or, Something
i'll briefly pop in and, say.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
You don't have to do. THAT i. APPRECIATE i appreciate
all that you do for. Us but, yeah we'll Be
we'll be on live on the Old internet for. YOU
i show up and make a little. JOKE i love,
it interrupt the hard hitting football. Analysis and then my
favorite part of WHAT i appear on the podcast IS
i will watch it like that day or the next
day is the moment you guys say goodbye to. Me
(40:04):
there's always like, this like you, Ever like like when
you're at a party and the drunkest person there, Leaves,
yeah and they walk out the door and you shut
the door behind him and they get into an uber
and everybody just looks at each. Other that's kind of
what you And jay or you and whoever will do
the MOMENT i say goodbye on the, podcast not only
(40:24):
because it always ends on such a, fun happy note
where you're just, like, Oh i'm JUST i was enjoying
myself so much. There that's What that's what it's all all.
ABOUT i appreciate all the time you give us The
athletic Dot com or The growlar. Podcast. Paul. Thanks there's
alien news too that we're gonna have to get too.
Soon i'm just we're diving into the heart of nothing
(40:44):
else going. On, yes so there's a lot for us to.
Do we can focus a whole show on.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
THAT i CANNOT i cannot wait for. That Ellie Dahla
cruz had dinner In cincinnati with his. Agent where they
ate does not matter the fact that they did eat.
Does that is incredible sports talk radio teasing by. Me
that is next ON espn fifteen
Speaker 3 (41:02):
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