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May 13, 2026 13 mins

As part of Mo's 513 Day broadcast from UC, he chatted with Doug Martin, the Head Coach of the Bearcats Men's Golf Program. His team is NCAA Tournament-bound.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, that's us. It's good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's four minutes after three o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen
thirty onfall Agger. Thank you so much for listening. Happy
five to one three day celebrated all throughout the Queens
City and for the second consecutive year. I love doing this,
and you know how much I love UC Athletics.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
The folks at U see invite me to do my.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Show here today. We are inside the football defensive meeting room.
This is Nate Woodies Room, and so we'll be here
throughout the course of the afternoon celebrating five to one
three day with a whole slew of guests who are
being pulled away from their jobs to spend time with me.
Starting with a guy whose team is NCAA tournament bound

(00:42):
in Texas next week, the head coach of the men's
golf program at the University of Cincinnati, Doug Martin. What's
going on, really, Glad to be on your show.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Just finished up practice here and just trying to finish
our final preparations.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Before we hit the Texas on Friday.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
So what does that look like? What is practice like
on a day like today?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, you know, leading into you know, any kind of
week or any regular tournament. You know, we're trying to
especially if I haven't been there before, so I don't
really know what the course looks like. So I've spent
talked to three or four different coaches across the country
who have spent a lot of time at Texas a
and m and trying to get a pulse of what
the golf course plays like, and then really trying to

(01:22):
center our practice. So today we really just spent four
hours really kind of covering all aspects of the game.
So the course at Brian, Texas looks like it's going
to be a lot of driving, irons and three woods
off the tea, really kind of positioning yourself. It doesn't
look like a course where you can be extremely aggressive
off the tea. It looks like, you know, it's most

(01:43):
important to hit get the ball in the fairway off
the tee, then be aggressive into the greens. But you know,
today we spent time really on working on some you know,
some ball striking stuff and you know, irons and three woods,
three woods off the tee and then basically short game
then our normal putting grills. So we we practiced from
ten to two today and you know, I'm really I'm

(02:05):
really pleased with where we're progressing, and at this point
in the year, it's just trying to keep them fresh.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, so could you you put up the course on
the simulator? Can you do something like that?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, we their course Traditions Club is not on any simulator.
So basically, what what I did in my pre tournament
stuff is tried to find anything I could find on
the internet from a flyover to the course breakdown.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I've already got the yardage books.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I've spent probably four or five hours in the yardage books,
just kind of trying to help these guys set up
a game plan.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Right. What you could have done is we could have
done some reconnaissance.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
You could have sent me out there and I would
have shot about a one forty on the thing and
just hey, I would have told you this is hey,
what watch out for? Watch out for the sixth hole.
You know that's the next year. Send me out there.
Absolutely scouting. We can do that advanced scouting back in
the NCAA tournament. Tell me how the format's going to work.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Next week.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
So there's going to be six regionals that start next Monday.
Three of the regionals have thirteen teams and ten individuals.
Three of the regionals have fourteen teams.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
And five individuals.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
So everybody will play fifty four holes starting next Monday.
The top five qualifiers from each region advanced to the
NCAA Championship at La Costa at the end of the month.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
And so you talk about teams and individuals, right, Ryan
Ford would obviously be one of them, yes, and then
how's the rest of that field on?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
So Ryan, so we'll have so when you talk about
the teams, each of the thirteen or fourteen teams will
have five players. You will count the four best scores
each day. That will be your team score. The individual
qualifiers are players whose team did not qualify, but their
national rank got them there as an individual. So that's

(03:50):
how you get the five individuals and the ten individuals.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
And every region has seventy five.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Players, okay, and so you'll play fifty four next week
and then do you advance go.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
To La Costa. Very so the top five teams will
go to LaCosta.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
How this has to be so exciting for you guys?
How do they determine the sites?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
So the sites are are you know, you as a
school or an institution. You can put in a bid.
It's usually a three year in advanced bid process. So
you put in a bid, like at some point down
the road, I'd love to put in a bid to.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Host at Coldstream to where we host.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
So your your host this year are wake Forest, Ohio State,
Oregon State, Texas, A and m Georgia and Arizona are
your six hosts and so they basically have a facility
that can host a championship event.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Wow, very good. You talk about hosting it here at Coldstream?
What has to happen for that.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
To We would just put a bid into the NC
Double A as wanting to host one of the regional
sites for the Golf Championship, and then typically somebody from
the NC DOUBLEA representative would come in and they would
check the logistics at Coldstream as they're parking.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
It's the golf course. Is the golf course up to.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
This standard that the NCAAs want to wanting to host
a regional championship. And you know, obviously wather's a factor
as well.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
When you are overseeing a practice, what walk me through
what that's like?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You're you're obviously you're preparing for a specific course. But
are you doing swing breakdowns? I mean, how what what
are you doing during.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Practice at this point in the year. We're really we're
really not doing swing breakdowns. I'm more looking at, you know,
getting them to not go through the motions, but have
a purposeful practice to work on shot execution. We're going
to play in some wind in Texas, so that's going
to cause you to obviously vary your trajectories. Hit the

(05:42):
ball low, hit the ball high, you know, draw the
ball into the wind, fade the ball into the wind,
and so we're working on all those different things. Fortunately
this spring we've had an unbelievable windy spring here in Cincinnati,
so you know, I feel like we're as prepared as
we possibly could be, you know, to play in the wind.
So to shoot is fifteen to twenty miles an hour

(06:02):
today straight into the wind at the back of the
range at Coldstream. So I mean, again, you know, it's
at this point it's being sure everybody is on top
of what they're doing and they're at their best.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Being rested is.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
One of those things, but also having the shots that
you need to play at this course to be ready
to take them on the road.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
With you on your schedule when the season's about to begin,
give me the one or two courses where you're like,
you know what, the course might be a little bit much,
especially for let's say a freshman or somebody who's never
played it.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, I think you can really start at the Big
Twelve Championship. Our championship venues for the Big Twelve, I
would put them as the best championship venues of any
conference in the country.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
And it's not even close. Prairie Dunes Hill.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Prairie Dunes is where we played a couple of weeks ago,
Southern Hills, We've been at Whispering Pines. We're going to
another new place in Texas next year. So I think
the Big Twelve does an amazing job of hosting events
atchampionship venues where most of the courses that we play
throughout the year. Don't get me wrong, we have a
great schedule, but the course isn't. It's basically how it

(07:10):
would be set up for members other than the Green
Speed where you play championships. It's like they're trying to
get the course set up for a championship. Like I
know A and M has been working for the last
five or six months to get this course ready for
the regional champions.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
You get a practice round.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yes, we do. We'll play that on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, and everybody gets one.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Everybody gets one, and you know the practice round is,
you know, really drinking out of a fire hose, especially
if you haven't been there before. Most of the courses
we've play are typically tournaments that are on our schedule.
I know, the golf course, I know how typically plays
with different wins and different things like that, where this
week is a new one for me, just I haven't
been there, and so we're going to have to really

(07:51):
absorb a lot of information and create a strategy for
all five of our players in that one practice round.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah. What did you like most about this particular team?

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Hmmm?

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I think, you know, I think I wish we would
have been a little more consistent this year. I think
we had moments of brilliance. And that's one of the
things that has me excited going into this week is
I think if we can get all five guys playing
together and playing well at one time. We really did
that one time this year at Coldstream and we beat Arkansas,

(08:27):
which is the sixth ranked team in the country.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
We beat them by seventeen shots.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
So you know, our good golf, we can play with
a lot of really good teams and we're gonna need
we're gonna need that this week. And we're just gonna
need contributions from all five guys. We just can't rely
on Ryan Ford or or Leo Wessel or someone else
to be the key force. We have to have all
five guys and you know, we're able to take a

(08:52):
sub and if we have an opportunity to put our
sub in, he's got to be ready to go and
take you know, take advantage of the opportunity that he's given.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, when when do you start to recruit? When do
you start to look at amateur players thinking that that
young man might be able to play Division one, you know,
for lack of their way of putting a power for golf.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Couple couple of years in advance. So we're already done
with our twenty twenty seven class.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Okay, Wow.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
The recruiting process is changing as the portal is changing,
and it's like, you know, almost on a yearly basis.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
When I first started coaching twenty years ago, it was
about building a program. It was about developing four year
relationships with guys and growing with them and helping them mature,
where with everything that's happening now, it's almost building your
roster on a yearly basis, and I don't really care
for that type of formula. I prefer to develop the

(09:46):
relationship with kids. But if you don't stay with the times,
you're just going to get run over in college golf.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Do you get a chance to go see them in person?

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Oh? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
So once we finish up regionals and if we get
to the NCAA Championship, my assistant and I will start
end of May, first part of June. We will be
on the road two or three days every week watching
kids play. So that's when we first start to do
our evaluation of each player that we're we have a
list of We probably have a list of thirty or

(10:19):
forty guys right now that we're looking at in twenty
twenty eight. We will go evaluate them. Then on June
fifteenth is the first day that we can contact them
on the phone to start building a relationship. So you know,
again we're going to watch them play for two and
a half three weeks before we even know if they
have any interest in the University of Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
So that's that's a hard thing.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, that strikes me.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
What is the toughest adjustment that a kid makes going
from high school golf to college golf?

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Is it the courses?

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is it the caliber of competition, which obviously that has
to be a component.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
What's the biggest, what's the biggest It's.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
A combination of all those things that you just alluded to.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I mean, to me, the golf courses are more difficult
the players, Like you know, you're coming in as a freshman.
We brought in a freshman this year, Brad Miller, who
was from Indy around South Bend. He was the twentieth
rank player in last year's class, right and this whole
year my purpose has been to grow him and build
him into someone that next year he's going to be

(11:18):
a huge force with our team. So he's roomed with
Ryan Ford on the on the road when we're at home.
I haven't played with Ryan Ford all the time, and
he is such a great coachable young man, and he's
continued to develop, and I mean right now, he's one
of our best players in our program right now.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
So you're very busy recruiting, building the program, coaching your
own guys, do you ever get a chance to go
play around a golf recreationally.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
You know, you know what, when I retired from playing
professionally with a back injury and started coaching, I really
have committed myself to this program in this university and
trying to build this program. I haven't had surgery on
my back. I really, you know, I can't play to
the level of golf that I want it's played, So
I really kind of at this point in my life,

(12:04):
I'm much more concerned about helping develop the guys on
my team. Yeah, and I'm not really concerned about my
personal golf goals or whatever.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I've always sounds like a good time for you and
I to play.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
I'll tell you what, it would be a hell of
a match right now.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
It'd be like today, Like today, today, I.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Hit twenty five or thirty shots at practice, and you
know that when I watch, guys. A great example would
have been at Prairie Dunes when we had our team
meeting before the first round. I said, you know, very
rarely am I jealous or envious of you guys, because
I've already done this.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, but when you're playing at.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
A place like Prairie Dunes, which I played there in
eighty seven in the Big Big Eight Championship when it
was the Big Eight. That was a place that I
wanted to play because I saw the shots. I remembered
the shots that I played, and it's like, man, this
would be great to go back out and reminisce this.
And that's but for the most part, I'm so I'm
so into my team. I'm so into my players, and

(13:03):
you know, I want them to have a great experience
here in our program, and I think we've done a
hell of a job doing that the last twenty years.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, it certainly seems like I can't thank you it off.
Thank you very much, best of luck in Texas next.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Week and we'll be we'll be watching.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Well. I appreciate the support.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I appreciate your love for Cincinnati Cincinnati Athletics, and I
love listening to your show when I'm in the car
driving around.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I appreciate you saying that we finally found somebody who
enjoys our show driving around. It's taking a while. Tug Martin,
the head coach of the men's golf program cnaa tournament
bound men's golf program here at the University of Cincinnati.
It's eighteen at for three o'clock, we're broadcasting from UC.
It's five to one three day. We are loaded between
now and six o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station,

(13:50):
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