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Line time you found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteenthirty. What's Up? What a night
last night at GAPP an incredible BigLeague debut for Reese Hines, Ellie Dela
Cruz doing Ellie de la Cruz things, contact play, fans getting their moment,
Andrew Abbott pitching great Red's winning agame against the Colorado Rockies that hopefully
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starts a seven game winning streak.All of that was awesome and we are
going to discuss. Also, we'regonna go to Vegas. Big twelve Media
days are happening right now. TheUC Bearcats inching closer to their season.
There's been some good news involving DanteCorleon will go to Vegas at four thirty
and five oh five. Also ScottSadderfields, I think he is just finished
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speaking, or he is speaking aswe speak. I don't know, but
we're gonna hear from the Bearcats headcoach in a while. Also, Miles
Robinson will be on this show andMLS All Star this season for FC Cincinnati,
who is going to represent in hiscountry in the Olympics as the US
men's Olympic team qualifies for the Olympicsfor the first time since two thousand and
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eight, Miles joins us at fivethirty five. Full show preview available on
x thanks to Emery Federal Credit Union, your credit union with hard since nineteen
thirty nine. Go to EMORYFCU dotorg. But first, it's it's a
Tuesday and he's not on vacation.Paul Danner Juniors here from the Athletic I'm
back. It's a little hard gettinggetting back into the this, you know,
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the run of things here. Sureit's been a little bit, but
I'm excited. I'm really sad aboutone thing being gone and kind of out,
you know, not in the Cincinnatiarea, So I'm not tuning in
to you as regularly, even thoughI usually try to when I'm on vacation.
Make sure between three and six Iput it on the iHeart appay,
honey, they'll get out of thepoll. Ball's coming on. I do
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two kids. I'm sad that Ihave really kind of missed a lot of
the Contact play discourse because I feellike it's in a really good place you
want to participate in it, whichI have thoughts. I have thoughts.
We actually were at the game whereit very famously failed, which one yeah,
well one of them, and soI'm I'm with you. I'm with
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you on that, and I'm enjoyingI'm joining a discussion of it. It's
right up there with the which Icouldn't believe. You know, everybody's third
or fourth grade baseball team did theplay where the guy steals second. Yeah,
and then so you can send theguy home from third last night.
Yeah, they keep doing it.Yeah, Like, I've never seen anything
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quite like it, where this thingthat everybody learned in third grade and then
consequently in fourth grade learned how toproperly defend, is something that I have
seen regularly at the ballpark with MajorLeague Baseball players participating in it. And
I'm like, this is amazing.It's really taking me back to my youth.
Yes, I mean, I can'trelate to hitting a four hundred and
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forty nine foot home run. Okay, I can't relate to making an insanely
cool diving catch. I can relateto being on base and waiting to see
what was gonna happen when we ranthe steal second, then run home play.
Yeah, I've tried that defensively.My favorite move on that as a
catcher was the pretend throw. Ohyeah, you go to throat, but
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you hold on to the ball andthen look down and see if you're gonna
get them at third right, justyou know it's coming. Or the shortstop
running in move right. Tried thatas well, also a good one.
So I'm just looking for I alwayslook for to see. Could you imagine
being a major league baseball manager onanother team and being like, I have
this, yeah, this, we'regoing back to this, right, going
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back to the fifth grade Playbooklet's right, sure, fine, And when it
works, it is fun. Thisis fun. The contact play for me
has turned into the shovel pass.Yeah, but you know, I have
an insane amount of disdain for Yes, I probably hate the shovel pass more
than the contact, but I don'tlike the contact play. What if we
could get Stanley Morgan to run thecontact play, that would be be better
than that, better at that thanhe was the damn shovel pass. But
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in both instances, because it kindof worked last night with Ellie. When
it works, you know, youget the people who come out of the
woodwork and see like, there aretimes when it will work. There are
times when bad strategy will work.I've seen the shovel pass work. I've
seen the contact play work. Justas a general rule, doing something that
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the defense is probably okay with youdoing is not something that I value as
good strategy. That applies to theshovel pass, it applies to the contact
play. Yeah, and Ellie iskind of the reason why things work when
they shouldn't. Yes, so Ithink we just say everybody but Ellie should
abide by normal rules, right Yeah. Well, and the defense of the
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contact play on Friday night was well, he was almost safe. So what
Yeah he was out. Okay,you get an extra get a half run
for that, Like, well hewas he almost made it. Okay.
Well, there's a lot of thingsin life I've almost accomplished. Yeah,
I don't get credit for them.Well, it's good to have you.
It's good to be here. TheGrowler Podcast latest episode with Connor Orr,
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who's one of the best, oneof the best. I will admit to
having not had a chance to uhlisten to that. It's fresh came out
earlier this afternoon, but he didwrite a piece I think last week or
two weeks ago that I brought upon this show that I was I was
going to run past you. We'regetting closer to training camp starting and mock
turtle soup and all that stuff.Oh right, you can almost taste it.
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How many jobs are going to bereally up for grabs when camp begins?
Jobs starting? Jobs just get likefifty to fifty. I don't know
the back of the roster to meis I don't know where it's minutia.
I don't care that much. Yeah, I don't care that much. I
think I think, I mean,you have probably three or four real battles,
okay, right, I mean theprominent one will be what I guess
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you know what's gonna happen at righttackle me Trent Brown, mems first round
draft pick. How's he gonna look? Is this legitimately gonna be an open
competition or is it gonna be thesort of deal where Amarus Mims has to
exceed even the most optimistic projections forthis training camp for him to supply at
Trent Brown wild Trent Brown have toreally perform poorly or if he performs as
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expected as he hold onto the gigor is it look open? Derby best
man wins. Cordell Volson won ajob, but Jackson Carmen was his competition.
Well, if you're that much betterthan the other guy. Sure,
you know, I'm not saying thatthat'scessarily gonna be gonna be. They're not
afraid to put a rookie out thereif they feel like he is the best
option. Okay, and I thinkthat's been proven. Now it's you can
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say, what about in protecting JoeBurrow And I don't know they did it
with Wolson. If they feel likethat guy has looked the best and he
is ready for it, and thisthis is somebody. If he played well
in preseason and in practices and seemto be about all the right stuff,
especially when you consider his physical trades, is heads and shoulders above what they
think they're seeing from Trent Brown,then they'll put him out there. And
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I think that's that's a competition.He's gonna get the chance. He's gonna
get tons of He's already gotten alot of, you know, mental offseason
offensive line reps, so to speak, because it's it's not super real.
But they're gonna he's gonna play inthe preseason, he's gonna get a lot
of practice. He's gonna face realdudes out there in competition. I think
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that it's very real. I don'tthink it's some you know, thing that's
already been decided, all right.What else? Well, safety, I
mean, I guess I think VonBell will be the guy on opening day
personally, but that doesn't mean JordanBattle's out anything, right, So you're
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gonna be keep an eye on that. I what is gonna happen at the
second cornerback spot with that between DaxHill and DJ Turner is gonna be one
that you're gonna be watching. Ithink they're very much you know, I
had Louanna Room on the pod rightafter OTAs ended, and I thought his
optimism and comfort around Dax Hill atcorner was notable in what he was saying
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in his tone, and for thatfact, it made me lean a little
bit more towards the fact that Daxcould win that job. Is it likely?
I don't know, but I thinkhe's did everything he could in the
offseason positioned himself that way. Feelslike he has more of a shot than
we believed when the draft took place. Yeah, I think so, Well,
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we didn't really know before the drafthow real they were about it,
and now they're giving it a realshot out there, and so I think
that I think that's that's certainly abattle, you know, and we'll probably
we can talk about this in fansurvey a little bit. But and I
talked about this with I had StevePelzol and Sam Monson from the PFF podcast
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on last week, and Sam hasreservations about the Bengals roster, specifically cornerback.
He is not necessarily buying Cam Taylorbritt as a number one and is
really not buying whatever's happening at numbertwo. And I think he's got real
points. I mean, we've gota lot to see. You're there's just
so much betting on year one totwo jumps happening there with DJ Turner and
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whatever, Dax Hill, and there'sno veteran there now, and you've got
a rookie behind him, and there'sMike Hilton is getting older too. I
think he's still in a good place, but that at some point, so
I just I'm with him in thatwhere I just I think that whole room
is going to be really interesting totake stock of where they're at, and
if they take stock of where they'reat, and it's August sixteenth, and
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it's just there's dudes out there ZavianHoward. You know there's real guys out
there that you would Lou doesn't soundreal interested in doing that right now,
things could change. I think ifyou get out there and if the first
two week of camp you know,everybody is roasting these dudes deep and it's
just the same mistakes you felt likeyou were seeing and Dax Hills not progressed.
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I think that's something that could becomea real possibility for them. It
doesn't seem to be right now,but it could. It was interesting because
I think it was ESPN's the FPIdepartment did They ranked rosters and for each
team they mentioned biggest weakness, biggestweakness on the roster position group, and
for the Bengals it was running back, a spot that you and I talked
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about the last time you were here. And as I was thinking about this,
I go, BOYD, if thatends up being the case, this
team's going to be great because it'sgoing to mean the cornerback isn't the worst,
and it's going to mean that safetyisn't the worst, and it's going
to mean that maybe the interior ofthe defensive line isn't the worst. I
still believe you are being fair ifyou challenge what was written with you know
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what I think right now today onJuly ninth, it's corner because there are
still so many unknowns. Yeah,I totally agree with that. I just
you wish I like what I know. I like feeling like I know what
I'm getting and I don't know whatI'm getting. And I mean that in
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a good way for particularly for somebodylike let's say Cam Taylor Britt, who
I am arguing right now is themaybe the most important non quarterback on this
roster. He has to become adude because of what's happening on the other
side. If he doesn't, ifhe plateaus, he's going well, and
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not only that, like they needit without Cheeto, without anybody else in
that they need it, and helooks like he positioned to do it.
I think there's every reason to believehe can sustain what we saw for that
that period of time in the middleof last season before his injury. There's
every reason to believe that. Buthe has to do that. That ascension
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is critical and so but I don'tknow that, Like I don't have a
year of Cam Taylor Britt being atrue number one. Hey, he can
go to the Pro Bowl. Guy, I don't have that. I don't
have DJ Turner being a real numbertwo. I don't have Dax Hill playing
cornered on the NFL. And andso there's a lot of hope, and
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hope can be concerning. There's alot of projection, and it can be
great when it pays off. Butthe idea, it's like talking about the
Reds in the off season, right, you know, here's what I think
these guys can be, but Idon't know what they are. And I
wish that was at a position thatdidn't matter so much or that didn't just
kill them last year where we sawso many of those mistakes. And eventually
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every team has this. Every teameverywhere, even the best of the best,
are betting on a projection that's somewhereand probably somewhere important. You have
to do that. If you're payinga quarterback especially, you have to do
that. That's that's the leak.But that's a scary spot to be in
at corner when you when you haven'tseen it. Projection is great, I
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you know, the foundation of someof what you saw last year. The
flashes are great. But to me, I look at that and those battles,
you know, those positions up forgrabs that you started this with are
incredibly intriguing to me. All right, an annual right of summer is the
Fan Survey. Yeah, you're five. You're five of the Fan survey the
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Athletic dot Com. Are these thefinal results? Yeah? These are the
ones I sent you a fine one. You sent me our final results.
You haven't written about the results yet. I've started. I'm in the middle
of the writing, but we're compilingthe numbers to write off of. It'll
be out. It'll be out inthe next day or two. All right,
Well, let's sift through some ofthis. Yeah, when we come
back. Paul Danner Junior read them. The Athletic dot Com. Catch the
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podcast The Growl or latest episode withConnor Or released just a little while ago.
He's here till four. We're heretoll six on Mulleger eighteen after three
o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty, CincinnatiSports Station. It's twenty three after three
o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirtyon Oegar. Paul Dayner Juniors here covering
the Bengals as training camp gets closerfor the Athletic and for the Growler podcast.
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You have done this exercise every yearsince twenty twenty the annual Bengals Fan
survey for the Athletic and the votingis closed. Yes, you can no
longer vote, but what you cando is a wait for Paul's reaction piece,
which will come out here within thenext couple of days. Yeah,
we have the results here. Yes, Of all the different questions and answers,
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which to you was most interesting?Well, I think for me it's
I don't know if it's a specificquestion, because there's a few of them
that that kind of touch on thesame theme. That to me is that
fans at their core, maybe they'renot saying it out maybe the vocal,
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but their doubts are forming. Yes, so that we haven't The trend has
been the opposite and understandable, right, I mean, think about doing this
last year and what they were comingoff of. I mean, the organization
had never been higher really than comingoff of that two year period. It
felt like sustainability all the things.I think last year. You can see
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the reaction to that opening people's eyesa little bit. You know. A
number that stands out to me isjust the basic confidence that the Bengals are
moving in the right direction. That'swhere I was gonna go. Yeah,
I mean, and that is yougo from in twenty twenty one all the
way back in nine point six interms of five the USK on a scale
of one to four. That's right, every year, your confidence in the
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Bengals and the idea of the Bengalsmoving in the right direction. Five being
the most confidence, one being nocommon yes. And so the five number
goes in twenty twenty two after theSuper Bowl up to sixty four percent.
Then after last year, going outafter the twenty point two season, it
was Naates Championship Game up to seventytwo point five percent. Well this year
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all the way down to thirty pointfive percent, And I mean that is
such a draft. And you seethat kind of across different areas. You
know, all the way down atthree creeps up, you saw a ten
percent bump all the way down therea lot of not quite as confident as
you were that all this is gonnawork out. And that is again that's
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understandable. But I think you're you'reseeing those concerns in the fan base that
was at the top of the listfor me of things theme wise that stood
out. Yeah, I just mylevel of confidence in whether or not the
Bengals are going in the right directionreally hasn't changed. They have number nine,
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you know, you mentioned we mentionedConnor orr and he did a piece
and it was six teams that didn'tmake the postseason last year, who will
and the team they'll replace? Andhe swapped out the Bengals for the Browns.
Now, this wasn't when the SuperBowl, when the division advance in
the playoffs, just make the playoffs. And my take was, if Joe
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Burrow plays fifteen or more games,I see no way they don't make the
postseason. Yeah, how if Ifeel that way? How can I not
feel confidence that they're going in theright direction. There are some questions I
have about the roster. Of course, we just outline one of them.
Right, every year you're going tohave that. But as long as I
got number nine, Now you mightwonder whether or not he's going to be
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healthy. But as long as Igot number nine, I'm confident in the
direction the Bengals going. I knowthat as a dramatically, overly simplistic way
of looking at things, but Ifelt that way a year ago feel that
way now, But nine isn't moving. That line is dayg straight. The
rest of it is what moves upand down around him to say you're going
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in the right direction, I mean, and that's I think that's the concern,
is what's happening around him, andthey're a victim of their own success.
No, how can it go upfrom that? What happened, you
know, outside of them actually winningthat Super Bowl, I mean, one
of the greatest runs of football we'veever seen from this organization, that ten
game winning streak, And so Ijust I think you're a little bit like
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it's eventually these wholes show up.You're going to be normal that that's going
to be part of it. SoI don't think there's You're right. As
long as you have Burrow, there'sno reason to feel an overwhelming novel of
going backwards. I mean, Ilast year they went nine to eight and
he played four good games. Yeah, like that to me makes me feel
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good about what they have built.And again, what they've built year to
year changes. I understand that,but they were crummy on one side of
the ball and didn't have their mostimportant player, and then when they did
have him for some of those gameshe wasn't healthy and one nine games.
Yeah, I don't think there.I definitely think that they're still going in
the right direction. I was alittle surprised to see it be that drastic,
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but I think people are reactionary towhat they saw regardless of of that,
in just the fact that you sawa team be defeated and lose,
and you saw what's happening on thedefensive side of the ball, and you
felt like some of the the mystiquethat was surrounding Leuenarumo kind of came off
and and that stuff resonates and yousaw what you know, because I was
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going to mention Duke Tobin's numbers godown significantly here. You know, when
you have a first round draft pick, the Dax Hill experiment, right,
you've got this these things Biles Murphyanother first round pick that doesn't play much
and you may love his future andI'm buying more than anyone, but again,
but doesn't have that immediate impact.These these things add up after a
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while. You see, you knowwhat happened with Jesse Bates. They couldn't
figure out a way to get donewith him early. Then it turns into
a mess, and then he goesand these amazing in Atlanta, and now
you're safety stinct that stuff. It'sa cumulative effect and that can be washed
away when you win games and nobodycares. But I think it shows up
here when you don't win, andthen everybody starts pointing out and spends more
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time on the other stuff. Ifyou were a voter, So one of
the questions you asked, and thiswas a new question for twenty twenty four,
you've done this since twenty twenty washow concerned are you about Joe Burrow's
career health? Sixty five point fourpercent say slightly, eighteen point seven percent
say concerned, ten point seven percentsay not at all, and five point
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two percent say terrified. If you'rea voter, where are you placing your
vote where they did, where themajority did slightly? Slightly slightly, They
says they're starting to pile up.But I think he's handling it well,
yeah, yeah, I don't thinkthere's I think we've reached that point though,
where he's at the line. Yeah, if it becomes one more,
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one more and my vote is moving, and you'll see those numbers move dramatically,
right, I think one more bigone, and you're starting to one
to more. But I think Iam slightly concerned. How are you not?
How are you not right? However, I do think he's handling it
really well. He's taken every measurethat you would want to see from him
in terms of let's get stronger,let's take a new mental approach. How
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can I an understanding of how importantit is to be honest with his body,
his teammates, his coaches, histrainers, all of these things that
we've spent a bunch of time talkingabout that we heard from him this offseason.
He's put it in such better perspective, understood that that's the one thing
he no longer is living with thethird string quarterback at Ohio State chip on
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his shoulder and understanding that what mattersnow is availability for him, and that
is handling it well. Because thesefreak things, these accidents, whatever has
happened, has happened. But Ido believe he's handling it well. You
know, And you can go backthrough other names of quarterbacks that have had
a few injuries early in their career, and sometimes they had more, sometimes
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they didn't. I don't think he'sat the point right now where it's predictive
at least, there's no evidence ofthat if you look through history of the
same types of guys. Matt Staffordwas viewed this way early in his career
as somebody who was maybe going tobe injury prone, and then he played
every game for like a ten straightyears and has thought of as one of
the tough guys in the league rightnow. I mean, these things happen,
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and then there's some guys where itdoes take I mean Andrew Luck conversation,
a lot of guys that we've talkedabout that, oh I just it
got to them or it affected themmentally and they started developing really bad habits.
Connor talked to me today about howabsurd he thought the Carson Wentz thing
that came up about Joe Burrow wasat which surfaced and it was like Carson
Wentz didn't know how to deal withthe pressure and performed bad habits. Joe
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Burrow dealt with more pressure than anyhuman being the year they went to the
Super Bowl and has been developing thehabits to deal with that and getting better
and around it every single year.It's a totally different circumstance. If you're
talking about. The point is,though there's nothing right now saying that I
feel concerned about the longevity of hiscareer by this stuff there, it is
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saying that you do worry if more, if more does does start to show
one more okay, And I don'twant to give away too much of what
you're gonna write about. In twentytwenty one, you asked fans are you
worried about the Bengals leaving? Andthirty four point four percent said no,
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don't think that would happen, Andthen that number the next year was sixty
two point six, climbed to sixtyeight point four, fell a little bit
to sixty six point four. Sotwo thirds of the people who responded to
your survey say they're not worried atall about the Bengals leading. I'll ask
you the same question, if you'reanswering your own survey that particular question,
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what's your answer? No, Idon't I don't think so, because partially
I think that a deal will getdone. I don't like, I don't
foresee it becoming what it did inthe nineties. I just I think the
tone is so different here now,like I and everybody after that Super Bowl
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run, and really these last fewyears, I think everybody has more been
on board and understood what they meanand where the value in the investment is
there, and there is enough templateacross the league to see how you get
this done. I thought the CharlotteDealer is a really important one keep an
eye on or or look at.You're talking a similar renovation, similar size
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city, doing all the same things. The Bengals are trying to do eight
hundred million dollars six hundred and fiftymillion with public money. And now I'm
sure they will fight a lot overthat six to fifty number and what that
looks like. But there's templates outthere, so I don't think that's going
to be. So I'm not reallyworried about them leaving. You never know,
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sure, I think, but I'mnot really so I wouldn't. I
wouldn't say that it's something that thatI would have worried a I would be
with the majority on this one.You know, I've talked about this with
somebody and I said, like,I remember how that issue enveloped the city
for years in the mid nineties.I remember Mike Brown's open flirtation with Baltimore.
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I remember that happening. It wasreported, it happened. I remember
the vote, I remember the discourse. I then I remember all the crap
that went on after the vote.We're nowhere near that level of acrimony,
dissension, whatever words you want touse. I were nowhere near that.
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No, and so I I justdon't think this is a similar climate.
And I don't I don't see themopenly flirting with Do I believe the NFL
would love to take the Cincinnati Bengalsand move to Mexico City. Yeah,
But but I don't. I don'tsee ownership is currently constructed openly flirting with
another city the way they did inthe in the early nineties or mid nineties.
No, just don't see that happening. No, I don't. I
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don't. I don't either. Imean, I think I joked with this
on on on on who they lighta little bit. This was a developing
take that probably shouldn't see the lightof day. But I think you wouldn't
be worried to me any anything thatyou would talk about with movement wouldn't be
about leaving. It would be aboutgoing over the river, right right.
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I mean, this is you lotof the Kansas City situation. Okay,
where where another somewhere else can canoffer a deal the Braves, right,
they moved out of downtown when yeah, they have been compassed. You you
end up you can have situations whereyou move around, okay, and that
can be a thing, and theBengals are positioned in a way where that
could happen. But to me,that's the only thing you talk about if
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you're Hamilton County where it's like Iview that as any kind of a concern
would be okay, Well when youcould go you could go out there or
what do you go out to Warrenor something? I don't know. Yeah,
sure, out in near Miami Valley. Yeah, I would vote for
Kentucky. Yeah, you know TaylorMill Bengals. I think I sounded really
good. Yeah, put it rightdown my hometown. Yes, yeah,
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is there any is there any roomin Bellevue? Maybe maybe they can find
maybe they can find, you know, some kind of a formerly beloved water
park they could knock over. Maybeyou could build it where the beach was
out in Mason. That's what ifthey put out by surf Cincinnati, are
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they you know, like twenty yearsafter they bulldoze that place there's still like
remnants of old water slides. Didthey just replace that with a yeah?
I don't see. I don't seewhy not, don't. I don't see
why not that that beach property looksready. I think that's it. So
Paul's synopsis of his annual fans Surveywill be out here very soon at the
Athletic Go get that. I wantto ask you about cheap televisions and something
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you discussed on your podcast that hasalways stuck in my crawl. Coming up
on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Stationwith Tony Pike. I do we want
to move on? Doctor Keith Ranand Boston Elmore. I think you should
continue. Let me keep going thereSincy three sixty tomorrow which twelve noons on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati's and catch thepodcast. Hear that podcast? Where can
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we find your podcast? Wherever youget your podcasts? Also on YouTube?
Appreciate that you you do a podcastwho day Light with my guy Mark Shalafu.
If you guys tackled one of mypet peeves. Yeah, the mispronunciation
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of Bengals Yeah yeah on during footballseason in particularly Yeah, I hear on
a repeated basis the band that SusannahHoffs was in in the eighties, Bengals,
Bengals. Why why do we havethat? I don't. I don't
Bangles. Also, you remember Bengalssee and I pointed it out with Mark
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that got tickets of the Bengals game, the Phil Simms, the Bingles Bingles
happened, BINGLESO. There was aBengals run there. I didn't have then
and I do not now have anyexplanation for why this happens, other than
at some point it caught on.And look, there's misspelling Cincinnati at the
Big twelve media days. Okay,but certain things just people are not going
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to care. It's not gonna getfixed. Just this is what it is.
And I feel like things like Bengalsand Bingals are just they're just going
to be going. It's one thingif you misspell Cincinnati and you've never had
to spell Cincinnati before, or youhaven't been here. It's something else when
you have lived here your entire lifeand you can't correctly pronounce the name of
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the local NFL team that you claimto be a fan of. Right when
someone says Bangals, I get madand I don't it's irrational. I mean,
I don't say anything to them,but I'm like, really, what
where'd you get the a at?How did you get bangles out of that?
I gotta tell you that's topped prettyeasily, though. Yeah. There
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are still people in this town,yeah, who claim to be fans of
the team who send me burrows,Oh yeah this still yeah, or say
Burrows burrows Yeah, like if thatblows my mind? Call in postgame talk
show. Yeah, in the JoeBurrow era, I've only had to do
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once they're over unders four and ahalf over like the course of let's say
it's a two and a half hourpostgame callin show over unders four and a
half Burrows Yeah, yeah, Welland it depends. I think you get
the higher the result dictates you're overunder number, right, and l you're
you're up to six. As alot of Burrows call in when they lose,
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no question, just don't even care. But that that one blows my
mind way more than because sometimes Ifeel like that's just kind of the accent
somebody has where they probably half mispronouncea lot of words. Right, But
I think Burrow, like, there'sjust no way there should be an ess
and you should know that if youfollow anything about certainly follow enough to be
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calling into I'm going this is thisis an audio medium, but I'm I
have a visual for you and we'lldescribe it. But it's something that I'm
starting to see. This is notBengals related, but I'm starting to see
this. Deli cruise, Deli Delicruise. I haven't seen Deli cruise.
Oh, I'm starting to see thisoccasional Deli d E L L Y cruise.
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Yeah, Deli cruise. I thankfully, I have not seen that.
What are we doing? We're combiningEllie and maybe Deli Cruz. By the
way, he has one of thecoolest names, like you should want to
say his name. Yes, hehas maybe the coolest name in baseball.
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And it's not really helping him.And and he's he's becoming like a one
name star. It's hard if you'reJoe Burrow the way, a lot of
Joe's ain't no other Ellies. SoEllie Deli you mean, yeah, Deli
Cruz. Thankfully. They're going tobe selling old televisions from the venue formerly
known as Paul Brown Stadium. Isthat when is that? When is the
latest television saying Saturday, you're goingto be in line for a television So
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how does this work? Only becauseI just want to witness it the TVs
they had in the concourse they're gettingnew ones, right, Yeah, they're
getting new new tav so Hamilton County, right, not the Bengals. They're
selling the old televisions. You gotto show up Saturday morning. They don't
cost that much. I know thedetails from the first time that they did
it. I haven't dove totally inthe details for this Saturday return of the
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Apparently it was so popular that whereyeah, you have you have to bring
some some some people. They're givingyou no help, right, you show
up with exact cash. They're givingyou a bracket like a mounting bracket,
right, not carrying you gotta carryyou to bring that draw to lug to
lug whatever it is over and youknow, don't think they're going to be
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lifting anything. And you just showup and then they'll give you, you
know, and if the forty bucksor sixty bucks and they'll give you the
TV, I guess. And ifthe TV is alemon, it doesn't be
Sorry, you're not getting a refund. Yeah, I don't. I don't
think there's any way to take itup with their manager. Wow. So
uh, I just I just lovethe idea of Hey, i'd love to
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have a cheap old television and andI'd love to and I'd love to give
up some time on my Saturday morningto go down and do it. See,
that's the thing for me, andto each their own, to each
their own. If if like,let's say I got a phone call from
somebody with the Bengals and they said, hey, you want one of these
televisions forty bucks, I'd probably go, eh, yeah, I don't have
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to wait in line. But thefirst time they did this, I was
downtown for the Red Legs Run andI'm driving on Second Street and I hit
a stoplight and I had forgotten theywere selling TVs and I looked to my
right and there's like hundreds of people. And then I looked to my left
and we're lined up Elm Street likemidway to fourth. Oh my god,
I just value my time too much. I will admit I don't like I'm
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not an impatient person by any stretch. I hate waiting in line. I
just I didn't get my car washedthe other night because I pull up.
There's like four people in it.I'm good. Nope, I just I'll
go back to Mike's car wash later. I'm okay, I just I don't
like waiting in line. I Amnot waiting in line for a cheap television.
This feels, this has always feltto me so much like the AAU
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baseball team fundraiser. Yes, it'syou know what, I got another idea,
say we don't give anything back here, I'm gonna help you. You
want to make a little more money. Lemonade stands for the line. It
canna be hot, Yeah, right, everyone's there. They're thirsty. They
need to have their energy to carrytheir TVs. Just set up, set
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up lemonade stands all along the line, you know, and sell it for
sell it for five dollars a glassor something like that. If that's that's
what it's about. I just Idon't know. I'm of the belief.
Are there do we really we can'tjust get we can't get them to some
schools. Yeah, like a dollarright here here, you give us a
dollar. You know, all theseschools that need stuff and you can have
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these old well you know, likethere are certain novelty items that are pretty
cool. There are a lot ofpeople that have Riverfront Stadium or in some
cases Crosley Field seats. Those areneat that's cool. I said to you
offer, I have a piece ofRiverfront Stadium turf, Like that's awesome.
Fine, Maybe Eric Davis stood there. Uh, I don't know that if
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like, I go over someone houseand they're like, man, this hung
in a concourse behind section three fifteen, and I'm like, wha. I
mean, I hope the television works. It's fine, but I'm gonna wait
in line for something that I'm gonnaget for cheap that when I hang it
up may or may not work.I gotta go buy my own remote,
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and it might not impress. It'snot going to impress anybody when I hang
it up. I don't know.Yeah, that's not a real good conversation
piece. No, no, it'snot h But you know what, I
guess. I guess this is whatthey have to do. Might as well
make a little bit of money.I can't wait for training camp so we
could actually have football time. Heyit maybe every month a new TV giveaway,
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you know, maybe that's maybe that'swhat's gonna happen down there. TV
sale, TV sale. Look,gotta gotta send a team of state.
Well, the thing is like they'rerenovating a lot of the guts of the
stadium, right, Yeah. Couldthere be other stuff they give away?
Yeah? Absolutely, I'm interested inmaybe some of that stuff. I like
to feel like there's some there's somestuff deep in the story exactly. In
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fact, some of these TVs mayeven be ones that they actually replaced ten
years ago and just didn't know whatto do with them and put them into
the back storage area, and likewe'll pull those out. These people will
come down here and take anything.The Cincinnati Bengals as an organization, they've
been mad at me many times.But I've only heard about it twice.
Yeah, And the second time Iheard about it was if you remember the
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Jerome Simpson the game where he doesthe flint, It was Christmas Eve against
Arizona, and like the Bengals needto win and the Jets need so we
got in the Conquerors. They havethe Jets game on, and you know
the television was like the TV Ihad my dorm room at ud in nineteen
ninety six and you couldn't see thepicture because it was Sonny out and Dusty
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and I described this on the airand they got big mad at this,
big mad at this me making funof the televisions. I mean, look,
this is what the television is.Are those TVs? That's what I
would see. That's what I wouldI would want the television that you watched,
yeah, for that day on RickenBig Tube TV. Grainy. That
to me is a conversation piece orlike, you know what i'd love to
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have. I'd love have like abroken nut and bolt from the l escalator
from like the one of the timesthat it broke, you know, Like
that's that's what ibmouting. Give methe broken piece. If I see somebody
trying to fix it next time I'mover there, which is inevitable, right,
Like, I'll be like, canI have a piece of that?
That's some memorability I can get behind. I give you twenty bucks for that.
Paul's conversation with Connor or go listento it the Growler podcast and read
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him at the Athletic dot Com Lovepiece on the Fans Survey and obviously is
a training camp unfolds. Paul willbe covering that across multiple platforms on a
daily basis. This was This wasperfect dead of the off season fodder.
Thank you for coming here. Thisis awesome, filled the space. Happy
to do it. Oh, wegot a podcast coming up Thursday. Yeah,
yeah, we're recording Thursday. It'llit'll come out next Monday. We've
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we've been excited about this one fora while. Yeah, it's gonna be
fun. That's gonna be a goodtime. I'm doing the homework tonight for
it, all right, Yes,tonight, it would be in a good
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