7/29/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
PM fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
You know, I I legitimately didn't feel like I could
be welcome back with open arms more. But hmm I
got tarn Bland just outdit himself. Hi, yeah, I h
I still work here. My name's Mullegar. This is ESPN
fifteen thirty. I appreciate you listening. Uh, let's get this

(00:47):
stuff out of the way. First of all, my thanks
to everyone who filled in correct me if I'm wrong, Taran.
We had a combination of Mike Petralia, Chad Brendel, and
rick Yuccino, each of whom are awesome in their own
indie vial and unique way. I appreciate everybody for stepping
in while I took I took six days off, I
took a week plus. I don't think I had done

(01:09):
that in years. Load management season is over. It is
awesome to be here, and holy hell, do we have
a lot to talk about We'll go to Bengals training
camp coming up in just about forty minutes. Chat with
Tony Pike, find out what's happening today. We'll hear from
Zach Taylor a little bit later on. It does feel
like the Bengals have dodged a little bit of a
bullet with the Sam Hubbard thing, because I don't know

(01:30):
about you as gone. I worked a week ago Thursday night,
and then I decided I wasn't gonna totally shut off
social media. I was gonna read the paper and all
that stuff, and I was gonna watch games.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
But I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I was gonna. I needed
a little bit of a Twitter break.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I think that's good for all of us who are
on that app, and so I spent very little time
on it until last night. I look on it and
the very first thing I see is a tweet from
Kelsey Conway, the inquiry about how Sam Hubbard was carted
off with a knee issue. Carted off. So it's like,

(02:08):
you know what, I might just take another week off. Fortunately,
it feels like that the worst fears that we had
are being dowsed, and he is being labeled as day
to day. More on that and Trey Hendrickson and Jamar
Chase and Zach Taylor and all the stuff swirling around

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the Bengals as training camp has gotten underway.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Coming up in just a bit.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
If you were kind of down in the dumps yesterday,
because God, the Reds waste a Hunter Green performance that
was outstanding. And here's this game, the last game of
the road trip that was going to define whether or
not the Reds were gonna be buyers or sellers. They
lose a game that you could argue they should have won,
more sloppiness on the bass pass, some questionable decision making

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by David Bell, and you went to bed last night
feeling like all hope is lost. Well, well, guess what,
my friend, because the Reds have acquired from the Seattle
Mariners ty France. Ty France was an All Star in
twenty twenty two. He was not an All Star this year.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
The Mariners, who are.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
In contention, thought so highly of his twenty twenty four
performance that first they put him on outright waivers, then
they dfade him, and now they have traded him to Cincinnati.
The ty France of twenty twenty two has not materialized
in twenty twenty four. At the time of the trade,

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he was betting two twenty three with an ops of
six sixty two eight homers in eighty eight games. Ty France,
this might be unfair, feels like another version of well
the type of player the Reds have spent basically the
entire season acquiring. I mean Austin said this during since
he three to sixty, Ty France has just like everybody

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else they've acquired. Ty France to me is Santiago Espinal is,
Nick Martini is Mike Ford is, Austin Slater is another
guy who's not gonna move the meter. But Ty France
has been acquired along with cash considerations for minor league
catcher Andrew Salcedo. Cincinnati is also placed on the ten

(04:22):
day injured list. Austin Wins with a right terrist major tear.
They've brought it from Louisville, a catcher by the name
of Eric Yang who will make his big League debut
when he finally gets into a game, and they have
transferred to the sixty day injured list.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Graham Ashcroft Ashcraft.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Wow, what the Reds did with ty France is a
drop in the bucket compared to all the other major
issues that bubble to the surface this weekend and yesterday.
Let me just start with this, There was a narrative
this weekend, and I think really a narrative yesterday going
into the game eleven thirty am game, which, by the way,

(05:02):
I love, sign me up for that that well, you know,
this is a game that's gonna go a long way
toward determining what the Reds are gonna do with the
trade deadline. Please, please, someone, someone, anyone, anyone, Please tell
me that that wasn't the case. Please tell me that
this franchise isn't so shortsighted that their their trade deadline

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approach was gonna hinge on game number one hundred and five.
That that cannot be the case, right, Like that's that's
kind of made up narrative sort of stuff, right. You
cannot tell me that it makes any sense for Nick
Crawl and Brad Meter and everybody else involved to have

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woken up yesterday morning going, well, you know what we
can do is we could really go for it this year.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
If we win today, babe. If we lose, well then
you a fire sale.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Come on, this franchise cannot be that short sighted, right
The Reds waste another terrific Hunter Green start. This should
be the story of the second half so far. Hunter
Green was an All Star, he had a bad All
Star game. He hasn't given up a run since. He
continues to be one of the best bargains in baseball.

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I've got advice for Hunter Green. A little bit later on.
I've seen some say, well that yesterday's game was kind
of a microcosm of the season.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
To me, it was kind of a microcosm of the franchise.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Hey, this one thing that used to stink is now
really good, and this one thing that used to be
really good now stinks. Hunter Green was outstanding yesterday. The
offense continues to not be Four runs in three games
in Saint Petersburg this weekend. We talked about this a
lot in the three or so weeks before I went

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on vacation. I've been a David Bell guy for most
of his time here and not unwilling to criticize them
when I feel like it's been warranted, but for the
most part, will willing to barely even include him in
the conversation when it comes to what's ailing this team
at any given time. But in recent weeks, I have

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found myself, whether it be here in this microphone, or
whether it be on social media, whether it be meet
me with my buddies, whether it be me silently stewing
as I watch the Reds every single night, wondering what
is David Bell doing? Yesterday might have been a tip
of the Iceberg day. You had a lineup that he
and the other people involved with putting the lineup together

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fed right into how Kevin Cash wanted to play the game.
You had the continued implementation of the contact play, which
continues to make zero sense whatsoever. We continue to see
base running issues that are never fixed. And then we
had David Bell bring in Lucas Simms with the bases

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loaded in a tie game.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
This big pivotal game, right this game that.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Was gonna determine the course of action they were gonna take,
is the deadline approaches basses loaded tie game. He brings
in Lucas Simms, who has issues facing the first hitter
that he faces in a given outing. His numbers get
dramatically better when you look at the difference between the

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first batter that he faces, whether it's leading off an inning,
whether it's coming in with traffic on the bass pass
or the guys who are next.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Facing a lefty.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Lucas Sims walks him he didn't choose Sam Mall, he
didn't choose Alexis Diaz with one might say the season
hanging in the balance. Certainly the game hanging in the balance.
David Bell calls on Lucas Simms, I didn't get it
in real time. I don't get it more than twenty

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four hours later. Perhaps you could explain it five point three, seven, four, nine,
fifteen thirty. But have no fear of the deadline. Remedy
is another guy who used to be good. Look the
focus right now, I think for a lot of this,
and the focus between now and tomorrow at six o'clock,
which is when the deadline is, and maybe on the

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immediate aftermath of the deadline, is what the Reds did,
What the Reds didn't do, What everybody else is doing
that the Reds aren't doing. The reality is, the conversation
shouldn't just be about the deadline. The reality is the
Reds started the season with a flawed team, and those
flaws may have been exacerbated by injury. In fact, they

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were that, There's no getting around that. They were nothing
in four months has been done to correct those flaws.
I love talking about the trade deadline, but we talk
about it so much that it's almost as if you
can't make your team better until the trade deadline. From
the beginning of the season to well right now, the
additions to make this team any better have been a

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series of dudes who either have never been good or
used to be good, including our new friend Ty France.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
So what you have if you're a fan and I
think you can relate to this.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Shrinking confidence in the manager, I'm guilty of that shrinking
confidence in some of the young players we were supposed
to be so excited about. That's merited shrinking confidence in
the front office. Because remember last year, at the deadline,
with a team that was not five games under five hundred,

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the Reds did not address their biggest weakness, confidence in
ownership that has been non existent for years, and more
than anything, another year of being told, come on now,
just wait a little bit longer. It might sound like

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I'm shoveling dirt on the season. They have more than
a third of the season still to go. Let's be honest,
they've played one hundred and five games. Is this team
going thirty five and twenty two the rest of the way.
I haven't even looked at the schedule beyond this week.
I could not care less about the schedule. We've done
that thing often this year.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Well, here's a stretch where they.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Just are they gonna go thirty five and twenty two
the rest of the way right now to lock up
the last wildcard. The team that's on pace to do
that is on pace for eighty five wins. Nothing has
been done. We can make fun of ty France. We
could talk about what they may or may not do,
and maybe they trade away some relief pitchers and get

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something of value.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Maybe somebody thinks Frankie montass is actually good at something.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
The reality is, the trade deadline strategy today is what
it was before I left a week and a half ago.
The trade deadline strategy should have been the trade strategy
all season long. Improve the team. Fine guys who can
help this year and next. Find guys who are not
looking in the rearview mirror at their best years, like
ty France or Santiago Espinal.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
The strategy should not have changed. The strategy today.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Is the same as it was two weeks ago, or
four weeks ago, or six weeks ago or eight weeks ago,
at least for me, and I think for most, for you,
For most Reds fans, improve the team, find guys who
can help this year and next, like Jazz Chisholm traded,
Luis Robert will be traded, Zach Efflin traded, East Soak

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Paranas traded. By the way, Tampa Bay Rays were awfully
busy this week right the Reds played them. Didn't Nick
Crawl or Brad Meeter or anybody else ever think to
take a meeting with somebody with a team that was
clearly going to trade away some really good players like
Randy arose Ana, who was given to the Mariners for
two players who were playing a ball. Couldn't stream together

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a package to go get any of those guys, most
of whom you get for the rest of twenty twenty
four and twenty twenty five, and in some cases even beyond.
If I sound frustrated, it's because I am, and I'm
guessing you share my point of view. Five point three

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seven four nine, fifteen thirty is our phone number. A
year ago, at this time, the trade deadline was approaching
the Reds were above five hundred. They were in first place.
It felt like, boy, things are going in the right direction.
They didn't win last year, sure as helda looked like
they're gonna win this year.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
How we feel in a year later?

Speaker 4 (13:46):
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Speaker 4 (14:59):
Tony Pike from a Bengals training camp practice in just
about twenty minutes, Another another day of not practicing for
Jamar Chase, Day five, him not practicing. Nobody with the
team wants to call it a hold in, And I
don't blame them. There are certain things in life where
there are two sides kind of at odds with each other,

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and you really do see both sides point of view.
And I don't know that we necessarily I'm doing it,
but I don't know that we necessarily have to make
this out to be.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Jamar Chase versus the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
But I mean, like it's pretty obvious with what we're
dealing with here, And can you really blame either side?
Jamar Chase wants a long term contract that makes him
the highest paid wide receiver in the sport, or at
least puts them in the ballpark?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Can you blame them?

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Who among us wouldn't want that, especially if we had
bona fides to suggest that we're deserving of that deal.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't blame him at all.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
He wants his deal, he wants his security, he wants
his money, he wants his guaranteed money. And can you
blame him. He understands how good he is. He understands
his importance to the team. He's also watched how the
team hasn't given t Higgins a long term contract because
Jamar Chase knows that.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
That money is gonna come to him. I mean, it
is like, be adults about this.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Jamar is watching this one yet he's not getting his
because I'm gonna get it, so I'd like to get
it now. Can't blame him at all. And if you're
the Bengals, wait a minute. We have an elite player
who's under contract for two more years, and during those
two years a lot of stuff can happen. We love him,

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We will state publicly that we love him. We think
he's our second best player. Mike Brown put it last
week over backwards for him. But what's the rush? What's
the rush here? Like, if Jamar plays very well this

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year and has an excellent season, we might have to
pay him a little bit more, But I mean he's
still going to be looking for something along the lines
of what he's looking for right now, what's the rush?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
And I.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I can't blame them for viewing it that way.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
This is not unlike what I said and what a
lot of us said during the brief kerfluffle. Can we
call it that during that forty eight hours stretch of
time where we talked about Trey Hendrickson asking for a
trade and many of us laughed at him, and my
take what that was. I'm blame Trey Hendrickson. He had
a great year.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
He's looking for more money, looking for more security. Can
you blame him?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
And I don't blame the Bengals that were going to
be like, dude, we have you under contract for two
more years. When we have you at a contract that's
you know, pretty good deal for us, So why should
we feel compelled to alter the deal when it doesn't
have an expiration date happening anytime soon. I don't think
Trey was wrong. I don't think the Bengals were wrong.

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I don't think Jamar Chase is protecting himself. He's making
a little bit of a point without making a big
deal out of the point that he's making. I can't
blame him for putting himself first. I can't blame him
for putting himself first when he is fulfilling the requirement

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of being there physically being there for camps so they
can't find him. He's missing practices which he's basically not
paid for. And I can't blame the Bengals at all
for looking at Jamar and going, we're going to pay you,
but there's no rush, like neither neither side is wrong.
The interesting figure in all this is Zach Taylor, because

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one of the most difficult jobs you can have is
in middle management. Right now, I know this is me
kind of undermining the role of NFL head coach, which
is a position that we deify, but he's basically when
it comes to stuff like this, he's middle management. Zach
Taylor can't negotiate the contract, Zach Taylor can't sign off

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on a dollar amount. But Jamar Chase is his meal ticket.
He's one of his meal tickets. Zach Taylor has his
future success and possibly his future earnings very much tied
to the availability and happiness and productivity of Jamar Chase,
and so as the middle manager, you find yourself often

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having to, you know, for lack of a better way
of putting it, massage the people that work directly for you,
and maybe kind of good cop them when upper management
is bad, copying him a little bit, and you've got
to give him a little leeway, give him a little room,
work with him. And you know, look, you've you can't
throw your bosses under the bus, but you can't throw

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your player under the bus. You've got to be a
human being with your player. You've got to be a
human being with your employee. But you've also got to
serve at the mercy the people that sign your paycheck.
It's a really tough place to be in. The good
news for Zach Taylor is I think he's well equipped
to be able to handle this. Look, he knows who
he's dealing with here. It's Jamar Chase, an excellent player

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who has a deep, long track record with his quarterback,
who's played for the team for a couple of years,
who has a very very good track record of when
he's on the field, absolutely bawling out. And so with
that track record comes a little rope, a longer leash,
a little leeway. I'm sure upper management doesn't love it,

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but middle management this is this is often the role
of middle management, whether it's in sports or anywhere else.
If you look at the two sides that sandwich, Zach Taylor,
I don't think either is wrong. Your take is welcome
at five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. Uh,

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let's go back a year, then let's look ahead a
year next on ESPN fifteen.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
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Speaker 4 (21:19):
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Chase again today at Bengals practice, Zach Taylor today said
that Trey Hendrickson's absences from the last couple of practices

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have been due to an injury he would not specify.
Also says nothing significant with regard to what Sam Hubbard
ended up dealing with last night when he was carted
off toward the end of practice yesterday, and they are
listing him as right now day to day. More from
Tony Pike coming up in just about ten minutes as

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the Bengals go through training camp one UC Football note.
Corey Kiner one of eighty players selected to the preseason
watch list for the Maxwell Award, which is presented to
the college player of the year and has been since
nineteen thirty seven. Reds have made a trade Ty France.
Ty France traded by the Mariners to Cincinnati along with
cash considerations for minor league catcher Andrew Salcedo. Ti France

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had an ops of six sixty two and had just
been dfaded at the time of the trade. Cincinnati placing
on the ten day injured list. Austin wins maybe he
can learn to run the bases while he's out. He
is dealing with a right terrist major tear. They have
called up from Louisville the contract of catcher Eric Yang

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and transferred to the sixty day injured list Righty Graham
Ashcraft Reds and Cubs tonight, first of a three game
set at GABP Carson Spider, Jamison Taie on. No starting
lineup that I have seen as of Yeah, trade deadline
is just about what let's see twenty six hours and
twenty two minutes away. It's it's really hard. I remember

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a year ago, in the run up to the trade deadline,
there was there were a lot of different discussions about
what the Reds should do, Right, do they go all
in with this team that's in first place, which, like
it's it's easy to forget that the Reds were in
first place at the trade deadline last year, not like

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on the periphery nut a few games out of the wildcard,
leading the division at the trade deadline, and obviously we
spent weeks debating.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Like what should the approach be. Should they be aggressive,
should they go all in?

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Should they stand pat Can they win the division or
get to the postseason if they don't address their biggest weakness,
which was clearly starting pitching. And then the subsequent conversations about, well,
you know, they're a little ahead of schedule. They're ahead
of schedule, so you know, let's just tap the brakes here,
And then there was you know what, man, you have

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no idea of what the future holds. Sometimes contention picks you,
you don't pick when to contend, So let's be aggressive here.
And my take at the time is frankly the same
regarding last year. Today, I refuse to believe that they
would have completely derailed whatever they're trying to do in
the future. By addressing a significant weakness for the sake

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of getting to the postseason.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
You could not convince me then.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
You cannot convince me now that making a move that
would have made the starting pitching at least slightly better
last season.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Would have screwed up the future.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Would it have guaranteed him a postseason birth No idea,
But I would love to go back in time and
see how things would have played out had they been
a little bit more aggressive with red to something that
was clearly a weakness. So the trade deadline came and went,
and it's not as if they did nothing, because they
did get Sam Mall and Sam Maul did a nice

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job for him last year, but they didn't address this huge,
glaring weakness and it caught up to him. Nicolodolo never
came back. Hunter Green did come back, but he wasn't
very effective. Graham Ashcraft ended up getting hurt. The starting
pitching torpedoed this team's chances of getting to the postseason.

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My take at the time was ask me in a year,
Ask me in a year, because for twenty twenty three
it wasn't the right approach.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
It didn't work for twenty twenty three. In a vacuum.
It didn't work.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Not addressing the starting pitching doomed their chances in twenty
twenty three. But if taking that approach maximize their chances
of winning down the road mode, well, we could potentially
revisit twenty twenty three and the decision to not be
very aggressive and say, you know what, it was the

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right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Here we are a year later.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
The Reds are five games under five hundred heading into
the last three days of July.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
The starting pitching is markedly better. The team is worse.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
You wouldn't put an amount of money that matters to
you on this team making the playoffs this year is
currently constructed. I'm not sure you would if they went
out and made a bigger splash than ty France.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
So what do we do? Well? Again?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
For me, I could go and find the audio the
take was Ask me in a year, because if the
decision to not be very aggressive pays off next year,
I'll say it was the right thing to do. But
if not, well, then you can't help but go back
in time and go, eh, that was their shot. Now

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we can do this again a year from now, and
maybe the Reds are better off and they're not as injured,
and some players are performing better, and they make it big,
a big off season acquisition, and a year from now
is the trade deadline is approaching.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
This team is putting it in cruise control leading the.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
National League Central And if that's the case, we'll go
back again, maybe to the trade deadline of twenty twenty three,
and go, you know what, turns out they kind of
got it right. But isn't it hard to do that
today based on how we know how things unfolded last
year and how we know how things have unfolded so far,

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at least this year. When you have a chance, you
have to embrace it. And embracing it doesn't have to
mean that you behavior spend irresponsibly. It doesn't have to
mean that you don't balance short term and long term.

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But it's really hard. It's been really hard all season long.
Quite frankly, it's really hard to process the reds of
right now and not wonder what if about last year,
because perhaps what's happening this year is a little bit
easier to take if last year they really went for it,

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even if even if what they did didn't result them
in making the postseason. So here we are a year later.
It doesn't feel like they're ahead of schedule anymore now,
does it. I'm not even sure they're really behind schedule
that much, but it doesn't feel like they're a head
of schedule anymore. Has the decision to not be aggressive

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in twenty twenty three paid off so far in twenty
twenty four, You're gonna be hard pressed to convince anyone
the answer is yes. And I'm not a big Hey,
let's go back in time and re litigate everything, guy,
But come on, how do you not? Maybe the lesson
here is take the chances you have that are legitimate.

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Chance is a little bit more seriously, and especially when
you're a franchise that hasn't won in almost thirty years
in the postseason, act with a little bit more urgency.
When contention picks you sixteen minutes after sixty minutes away
from four o'clock, you can send me an X or

(29:29):
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we have a segment next Hour where I weigh in
on stuff that happened while I was away. I also
still have yet to compare myself to Jamar Chase and
compare myself to Zach Taylor and take your head if
you're a Bengals fan and move it somewhere else before

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we do all that, whichat with Tony Pike, who is
at the venue formally known as Paul Brown Stadium.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
He joins us next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
I heard radios recorded yeah cook you. I heard Kimball
credit you a cool up to ESPN fifteen thirty, the
official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Tony Mike, host of since he three sixty, is at
Bengals training camp. He is reporting to us every hour,
usually at forty five past, sometimes a few minutes later,
and there's a lot of Bengal stuff to talk about.
I do have to ask you, because you've been there
since the start of practice today, is is everything sort
of taking a back seat to the fervor downtown for

(30:27):
the impending arrival of Ty France.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
It's been incredible. Mo, You're you're actually, you're spot on.
They ended practice early today. Practice ended about twelve minutes
ago because they're just nervous of the outpouring of fans
that will be coming down here to hopefully get a
glimpse of Ty France. So a very early ending today's practice.
But if you get to listen to any of the
Y Taylor's press conference today, essentially it's just all been

(30:51):
about building up to fool pats tomorrow. So a lot
a lot of players did not practice today. Obviously Jamar
Chase is still one of those. But a very light day,
more so than I can remember for the first you
know days of camp where you're getting up to food pads,
which will be tomorrow, but they have essentially built that

(31:11):
into just that this is about getting to tomorrow and
obviously if you can practice, we'll see what it looks
like tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
So I look at social media last night for the
first time in like a week and a half, and
the very first thing I see is Sam Hubbard carted off.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
It does feel like they have dodged a bullet with him.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
Yes, everything from the MRI seems to be positive. Same
thing with Trey Hendrickson. Kind of his accent for the
first time today is just a little tweak on day
one because he had missed three straight days of camp.
So maybe they're airing on the side of caution for
a lot of these guys. Obviously, Hubbard, anytime you get
caught it off, you're going to ease your way back
into it. But for the most part, it does feel

(31:47):
like these guys are healthy. We've used the term plan
in place a ton already at Camp. I feel like
the only plan in place I understand is that with
Joe Burrow, and I completely agree with it. Limit some
of the throws don't go three days in a row.
They catered today a little bit around getting some work
in for him, but other than that, it's a little
bit of an unknown waiting for tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
All right.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
So the Jamar Chase stuff has been an interesting conversation,
and talking about Joe Burrow that those are always interesting conversations.
But you've been at all these practices and again we'll
know more when they actually start, you know, playing something
resembling football tomorrow. But to me, the story of Camp
is does the defense show signs of improvement because it

(32:28):
has to be better, doesn't have to be league best,
it's got to be league average. What have you seen
based on what you are watching from that side of
the football that would make me feel like, you know
what this defense has put the issues that plagued it
behind it.

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Well, to your point, you don't know yet. You hope
that bringing Von Bell back shows up some of the
back end of that defense. Trey Henderson's not practiced a bunch,
Sam Hubbard left practice early, and Cam Taylor Britt because
he got his counsils out, has yet to do anything.
So what I think is interesting though, is that any
thing you read and follow from training camp has been
rave reviews about how Joe Burrow has looked sharp, how

(33:05):
he has dominated, Well, if you take that for what
it's worth, he's dominated without Jamar Chase see Higgins has
missed multiple days of camp. So essentially what you're reading
is that Joe Burrow has dominated throwing to the three, four, five, six, seven,
and eight options in this offense with some of the
tight ends. So that is a little alarming because corner
was such a position of need. But we'll tell more

(33:28):
when the pats get on because you get to see, okay,
that would have been a stock or now there's a
pass rush involved. But until then, it's been a lot
of seven on seven where Joe Burrow has kind of
had his way throwing the receivers that aren't named Jamar
Chase and for the large part T Higgins.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
I cannot wait to talk with you now that practice
is over and get an update on what's happening down
there coming up in four forty.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Five, Tony, Thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
Thanks Mom.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
All Right, there's Tony Pike joins us every afternoon. On
top of hosting, since he three to sixty from noon
to three every day, he is joining us every single
hour from Bengals training camp. Of course, we are crawling
toward the preseason opener next Saturday, a week from this Saturday,
against the Bucks. That game will be played at the
avenue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium, and of course

(34:14):
you'll hear it live on ESPN fifteen thirty. Look, the
the Jamar Chase stuff is interesting because, frankly, I think
a lot of us can relate to it. Not the
dollar amount here, but who among us hasn't wanted to
just not show up to work. I mean, I know
he's physically in the building, but not show up to

(34:35):
work when we want a pay raise, we can all
I know I can relate to that, and it's he's
a big name. I mean again, it's it's debatable, but
I would say Jamar Chase is their second best player.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Uh, he's a big name.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
He plays a position that is the most talked about
in the sport that doesn't include quarterback. He is central
to this team success, yes, and I think the Bengals
perspective is an understandable one. So it's it's interesting. And
whenever there's even though these things are commonplace around the league,
whenever there's any sort of hold in, you know, it's

(35:14):
it's conflict.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
It might be like conflict. We love conflict.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
And so it's gonna generate a lot of discussion and
plenty of columns, and we're going to talk about it
a bunch. And then anything relating to Joe Burrow is
always really important and I think really interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
But this defense has to get better this year.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
And so all right over here, it's fun to kind
of play the Jamar Chase game, Okay, But for the
purposes of this team being significantly better, we all know
Joe has to stay healthy. We all know if he
stays healthy, this offense is a chance to be very good.
You don't want great offensive performances to happen with the Bengals.

(36:01):
What happens with Hunter Green when he takes them mount
for the Reds and gets no run support? Right, So, like,
let's let's take the attention a little bit as the
next few weeks unfolded over here. What I'm frankly more
interested in than Jamar Chase practicing or not practicing is
are the dudes who are practicing for lou an Arumo

(36:21):
getting better? Are the players who weren't here last year
who are playing for lou an Arumo significant upgrades from
what they've had? Can the young corners take a major
step forward? Can Cam Taylor Britt in year three now
become the sort of player we think he can be?
Can they find a pass rush from someone not named
Trey Hendrickson? Can they be better than league worst in

(36:43):
explosive plays given up? Like, the answers to those questions
have to be yes, and nobody's expecting the Bengals to
have the best defense in the league. It would be
awesome if they did. It's got to be league average.
Last year's defense was putrid. They were awful against explosive plays,
they were bad against the run, and Trey aside, they

(37:05):
weren't very good at getting to the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
They don't have to be elite at all those things.
They've got to be competent at each of them.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
And so we might not get the answers about those
things during training camp itself, but while we're gonna have
a lot of fun talking about Joe Burrows hair and
monitoring every throw and paying attention to the wrist and
wondering when is Jamar gonna play like the real football
work that matters.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I think is.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Happening with a bunch of guys that right now feels
like nobody's talking about. And by the way, maybe that's
not a bad thing. Uh five point three seven four nine,
fifteen thirty is our phone number. I'm gonna compare myself
to bo Zach Taylor and Jamar Chase.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Next this report ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports station.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Should we eat drop on Mike Hilton. He's on right
now in the NFL Network on Inside Training Camp Live?

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yes, all right, good, good, pop that up?

Speaker 4 (38:06):
As we say in the business. Who is Mike Hilton?
I got the women's basketball game on in here. Who
is Mike Hilton talking to?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm sorry, I don't know these schmucks that's nice.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
All right, Go ahead, and let's hear Mike Hilton talking
with some broadcast professionals on the NFL network being a
bitter body.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Or you feel comfortable.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
Oh no, it's the way guy maybe, man, But he
still gave me the ability to be a playmaker.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And you know that's why I go do for I defense.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Man.

Speaker 7 (38:32):
I try to be a leader on the field by
my playing. You know, it's been working that way out
of me.

Speaker 8 (38:36):
Like I feel like this defense turned around the day
you DJ Von bell Hall came three years ago, right
and the defense took off.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Von left.

Speaker 8 (38:45):
Now he's back, like tell us because everywhere I go here,
people are like, oh, Von like the veteran leadership and
really the ability to get signals out and calls out.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
Yeah, he's been here, you know with Lou for a
good couple of years. So that was the in and
outs of the scheme. He knows what Luke wants to
call in certain situations. And having a guy back like that,
especially with a young safety room that we have, is
gonna help them grow and it's gonna just keep us
all together to make sure our communication is right and
guys are lined up ready to make plays.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
We spoke to Gino earlier today and he said, as soon.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
As he found out that Vonn was coming back, they
linked up immediately.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Started going through things.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
What's it gonna be like to have two guys who've
seen a lot back there.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's gonna make it easier man.

Speaker 7 (39:27):
Obviously, we had a lot of young guys in safety
last position, so we gave a lot of explosive Then
now coming into this year, guys are a lot more confident.
You know, Like I said, Vonn knows the scheme. Obviously,
Gino was a big playmaker out the post. He's gonna
turn the ball over for some So we got a
lot of guys that can do a lot of different
things and make play for this defense.

Speaker 8 (39:44):
Well, this division, I mean everybody talks about this. To me,
you come out of the tunnel and going into Baltimore going,
you know like it's a war, best division, it's the
best division for and.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
It's a war Mike.

Speaker 8 (39:54):
So the mentality you need to go, Okay, here comes Lamar,
you know, I mean, here comes Pittsburgh and you know
what they got yep?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I mean, what is what is it like being a
defender in this division?

Speaker 5 (40:05):
Mode?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Did this division the division you want to live for.

Speaker 7 (40:07):
You know, it's physical, it's playmakers and outside and outside positions.
Obviously on the defensive end, you got guys you can
just watch like TJ and Miles Gear. So it's just
like so many playmakers in this division and it's a physical,
physical division.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
It's it's fun to be in.

Speaker 8 (40:22):
One thing that you have in your defense is great
continuity at that second level.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, you know with obviously with Logan.

Speaker 8 (40:28):
And Jermaine, like they've now starting their fourth year together,
you're being there for the fourth straight year. I don't
know that there's another team that has that continuity at
those three positions right now.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Mom, I don't believe.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
So.

Speaker 7 (40:38):
I think if you just look at us three, we've
been in the system for a long time, we were
both we all of us bring different different styles to
this defense and make a lot of plays for this defense.
So it's something we really thrive off of and we
know it can carry.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Us a long way. Right there you go, Brian Baldinger
and Mike Hilton and uh, who's he with? This is
the only NFL network I don't know on NFL network.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
I went to flip over from the women's basketball game,
and then when you try to change change channels.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
To quickly, it like something bad happens. So there you go.
There's there's some Mike Hilton, Joe Burrow's coming up. Joe
Burrow's coming up. Are we gonna steal that too? Yeah?
I think we should. I think we should just pretty
much let a an NFL network do the job for us.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
But we have to.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Oh, I turned it on. What else do we have?

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Uh, We're gonna go back to Bengals training camp and
chat with Tony Pike and Brennanman and Jones. I'm I'm
thrown off because I hit a snaffoo in uh changing
television channels in here, I'm a broadcast professional. Uh. Oh,
Brendanman and Jones on baseball and we have to do

(42:01):
this segment where I weigh in on stuff that happened
while I was gone, which if you go to our
video on social media, which is a courtesy of Emery
Federal Credit Union at Moeger. I've asked for some help
because I want to make sure that we don't omit
anything when we go down the list of things that
I have to weigh in on that occurred while I

(42:23):
was gone, which it felt like I was gone for
about a month and a half. I mentioned before, we
have more Zach Taylor too. Zach Taylor talked a little
while ago. We give you the best of his media availability,
and we'll steal Joe Burrow from an NFL network here
as well. I mentioned before Zach Taylor as middle manager,

(42:44):
and that sounds harsh, but like middle managers, it's self explanatory.
Middle managers are people who have employees underneath them, but
they have boss, a boss, and many cases bosses above them.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And then there's middle management.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Depending on your chosen profession, you could make a very
good living in middle management. You could have a lot
of longevity, you can make a big impact on your company.
You can move upward pretty quickly by working and succeeding
in middle management in the hierarchy of an NFL franchise.

(43:30):
That's what Zach Taylor is I and so you know
what he's doing here with Jamar Chase. Unfortunately, and I've
said this often about David Bell and NFL coach is
in many respects kind of the de facto press secretary
for an NFL team, especially this one. The owner speaks
once a year, the de facto general manager speaks sparingly.

(43:55):
Players have only so many media obligations, and NFL head
coach has to address the media from the started training
camp to the end of the season multiple times per week.
It's part of his job, and he often has to
answer for things that he's not really responsible for, like injuries,
different medical situations, and contractual situations too.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Now, beyond the media part.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Of this, he's also got he's gotta work hand in
hand with Jamar Chase in ways that nobody else with
the organization has to. Nobody above him, at least, not
Duke Tobin, not Katie Blackburn, not Troy Blackburn, not Mike Brown,
not Elizabeth Blackburn, nobody nobody works as closely with Jamar

(44:41):
Chase as Zach Taylor does. And so when you're in
middle management now you've you've got to work sometimes with
the people beneath you to keep him engaged, to keep
him enthused about their jobs, to keep them locked in.
But you also sometimes have to give him a little
rope when there are things happening beyond your control that

(45:02):
the player might not be happy about. I've been in
middle management, I've been in lower middle management, but I've
been in middle management before I started hosting this show
on a full time basis.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Among my various.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Duties at the radio station before I became a full
time on air personality is I have the title of
assistant program director.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Slash.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
I think it was chief producer, and I had a
staff of like at any given point, sixteen to eighteen
people underneath me, working across all the radio stations. And
it was a tough job. It was an educational job.
It was not a job that was pointing me in
the direction that I really wanted to go. But it
did teach me a lot about managing people. It taught

(45:53):
me a lot about the ins and outs of this
business and content creation.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And it was great. I had some hiring power.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
I had less firing power, but I like I couldn't
authorize raises. I couldn't promote people. I was not in
charge of their upward mobility. I had no juice when
it came to that stuff. But yet, the people that
worked for me, even though I couldn't sign off on

(46:23):
them getting a raise, even though I wasn't in charge
of deciding if they were going to get a promotion
or be made full time, I had no responsibility there,
but I had to fill out the schedule. I had
to make sure all the shows were staffed. I needed
these people, and so in middle management, all right, I

(46:43):
couldn't authorize a raise, but I had to figure out
ways to, you know, still have a really good working
relationship with them and get out of them what I needed.
And so I would do stuff, and I'm I think
it's okay if I admit this now. I would do
stuff like with the better performing employees. Not everybody, not most,

(47:05):
but all right, if you got two weeks of vacation
a year and there was something you needed time off
for and you didn't want to burn a day because
you only had ten, I'd just go ahead and tell
you to take it.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Legally. Should I have done that? No?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
But was it the right thing to do for a
good employee that I wanted to keep that I didn't
want to leave, that I wanted to be as happy
as they could be, even though they might not have
been happy about their specific role or what money they
were making. Yeah, all, I'd work around their schedules a
little bit. I'd needed to do everything I could to
keep them happy, keep them productive. Understand they might have

(47:43):
had grievances with upper management, might have had grievances with
people way above my pay grade. That's what a middle
manager does. I think Zach Taylor's probably really good in
this role. So he's got a player who I'm sure
is like, dude, I want to get paid. I want
the Justin Jefferson thing has done. I want a contract

(48:04):
like that. You know how good I am. You know
how important I am to the team. You know we
get to the super Bowl my rookie year. You know
what I've done statistically. You know the relationship I have
with Joe Burrow. And by the way, this other guy
who plays the same position, you haven't paid him because
I know, you know I'm better than him. So let's

(48:25):
go ahead and get it done. And then the Bengals
are like, yeah, not right now. If you're Zach Taylor,
you might understand management's point of view towards Jamar Chase
at this moment, But you need Jamar Chase and you
need him happy, and you need him locked in, and
you need him maybe to be able to take whatever

(48:47):
time he needs to make a point or just kind
of make it be known that, look, I'm not on
board with what's happening here, and you need to give
him a little leeway. And by the way, he's Jamar Chase.
He's not dude on the fringe of the roster. He's
not their number four wide receiver. He's not some guy
in the punt return team. He's one of the best
two to three wide receivers in the sport. He's your

(49:10):
second best player. You have gotten paid and gotten a
contract extension in large part because your team drafted Jamar Chase.
And so the role of middle manager is, Look, I
can't give you. I can't give you new contract. Maybe
I would if I could, but I can't. I'm powerless
against it. And I understand your pissed, and I understand

(49:31):
you wish this was getting done.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
But my job is to win this year. And so
what can you and I do to best put you
in the frame of mind that you could help us
win this year? And if that means, dude, you're not
gonna practice, you're not gonna practice. And by the way,
part of being a manager and part of having employees
trusting them, so like you know, I can give Jamar

(49:54):
Chase a whole bunch of practice time off because I
know at the end of the day that dude's gonna
be ready to go week when the Patriots come here
September the eighth, Jamar Chase is gonna be ready to
go all out. He's got a great working relationship with
Joe Burrow. Those two guys know each other intimately well.
And so you know, you're not gonna let somebody take

(50:15):
advantage of you, and you're not gonna extend a longer
rope to somebody who doesn't deserve it. But this is
part of middle management in any business. Look, man, I
can't give you the raise, I can't give you the promotion,
but you still work for me. And so let's come
up with ways that ensure that you know that I

(50:39):
know how important you are, that you know I know
how much I trust you, that you know I know
how much we need you. And so you know, if
it means you do some stuff that we wouldn't really
let other guys do, and then I'm sure upper management
doesn't love I promise you, Mike Brown, very old school

(51:03):
figures looking at this going like Dude's not coming to practice,
like really, And part of this is just the modern
reality of the sport. Paul Danner Junior outlines on his
piece for The Athletic this Week about you know, all
the other teams that have a player doing this, doing
the hold in the coach is in a is in
a tough spot. But this is the job of somebody

(51:25):
in that type of role. It's middle management in any business.
If you've got CEO or owner up here, and then
they've got a couple of people who are overseeing pockets
of employees, those people might have to do things even
that aren't necessarily by the book, by like by the
company rule book, in an effort to, you know, ensure

(51:47):
a good working relationship and get them to stay engaged
with their job. It's it doesn't sound like it's apples
and apples. It's one thousand percent apples to apples. It's
the middle management guy. I also think he's really good
at it. It's seventeen minutes after four o'clock. Is Joe

(52:08):
Burrow on NFL Network?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yet mikeah Sicky's coming up? For mikeah Siki's coming up?
All right? Well, well do we want to hear from
Mike you re call your show. We'll come back, by
the way. Thanks.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
I think Mike Kasiki is more interesting than me. So
we'll hear the first minute or so of Mike Kasiki.
Do you think the NFL network will know that we're
just stealing their content?

Speaker 6 (52:30):
No?

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Okay, So we'll hear from Mikeasiki and then I have
a list of things here that happened while I was
out that we have to address coming up on ESPN
fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
She this twenty two after four. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
All right here we have Micahsiki with Brian Baudinger and
Bridget Condon on NFL Network. This is happening right now.
You don't have to watch the NFL Network. We just
steal their content.

Speaker 9 (53:03):
Go ahead, pot that on Taran got a very special
guest joining us live right now.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Mike is Sicky. Mike, we just were watching you out
there for quite a while.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
How many balls were you catching?

Speaker 10 (53:13):
Yeah, that's been a yeah, that has been a post
practice routine that I've done for a long time. I
catch one hundred and sixty on the rugs every day
after practice, and it's just like what I've always done.
It's something that kind of just keeps me in the
groove of you know, just getting the ball in my
hand and it's this way. You know, you don't know
how many opportunities you're gonna get on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
But when you do, you got to make most of it.
That's like a repetition, is a mother invention. You know
who said that?

Speaker 10 (53:35):
Yeah, that's that's exactly my mindset when it comes to that.

Speaker 8 (53:37):
You you, you left New England and you were free
agent and you had options, but when you you wanted
to come here.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, you wanted to team up with Joe. Yeah. So
what's it been like so far? It's been incredible.

Speaker 10 (53:48):
It's been you know, exactly what I anticipated. And more honestly,
you know, the team itself is awesome. The organization's incredible.
Coaching staff does a really good job of putting people
in position to be successfu they understand the personnel that
they have and uh, and then obviously, you know, when
you have the quarterback that you have here, Uh, you know,
it makes everybody else's job a lot for And uh,

(54:12):
he's been he's been awesome from the day one that
I got here. Uh, and it's been it's been really
fun experience.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
What's been the biggest, uh, you know surprise when joining
this organization and being around here in Cincinnati.

Speaker 10 (54:22):
I think I'm not surprised that it's that, it's that,
but I'm I'm I'm happy to be here and to
to have, you know, like the expectation of winning and
you know, the the goals of you know, playing into February,
and like, I haven't really been around that yet.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
This at this point in my career.

Speaker 10 (54:40):
This is my seventh year in the league and too
you know, to be in the locker room, it just
feel it feels different. And uh that's why, you know,
once a season ended last year is like I knew
I wanted to, you know, get here in any capacity that.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I could, and you know, we were able to make
it work. All right.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
There you go, Mike YASICKI just moments ago with Brian
Baldinger and Bridge at Condon on the NFL network. We're
awaiting Joe Burrow. That'll be a nice segue into a
segment we've I think we've done this in the past.
I Uh, I was gone. I have not hosted this
show since Wednesday, July seventeenth, and I went, I went

(55:19):
out of town, took my family to Florida and uh
and I I I don't tune out because why would
I do that. I'm not gonna watch baseball or football whatever.
But I I took I took a brief pseudo social
media break only pseudo.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
But I kind of felt like, you know what, I
don't need to chime in on stuff, so I'm not gonna.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
But there were things I had opinions on, or things
that happened that I feel like demand that we address
on this show, even if they've already happened.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Taran, are you ready? Yes, all right. Joe Burrow got
a new hairdoo. It look like James Rapine. He did
kind of look James R. Peene.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Actually, you know what a cross that. I actually didn't
have an opinion on that. You know what my opinion
on the Joe Burrow here, who actually was like Joe
Burrow right now could do no wrong, so it doesn't matter.
But if like Baker Mayfield did that, we are still laughing. U.
The Victory Bell Series between UC and Miami is going away.

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The best way to give this rivalry more punch is
to cancel it because right now it's tied. They have
two games left this year in Oxford and then in
two years at the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
So and then they're not going to play anymore.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
It looks like so there's an injection of interest in
this now because the record of the Victory Bell Series
for possibly ever could be decided in these next two games.
There could be a lot of pressure on the team
that loses the game this year in that game in

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twenty twenty six. I'm all for history and tradition, Let's
be honest. Those things have been blatantly disregarded in this
era of college sports, right or wrong. And so maybe
I'm just a little bit too desensitized to this continuing
to happen all throughout college sports.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
But my reaction was a shoulder shrug.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
As an event, as a local sporting event, I don't
know anybody who really looks forward to it and look
that the dynamic changes. Admittedly, as a UC fan, Miami
won the last one, and unless the series resumes down
the road, they will have won the last Victory Bell
game at Nippert Stadium, which is not insignificant. And I
say this, and I mean no disrespect to Chuck Martin,

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who's done a terrific job and an institution that I
think is wonderful and a football program that I want
to do well. But does anybody really look forward to
that game beyond just looking forward to seeing their team play.
It's like if you're a college basketball fan, right, like

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if you're a UC or Xavier fan. As much as
you might try to pretend the Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout
doesn't matter to you, it is a game we all
look forward to. It is a game you circle on
the calendar. It is a game that you make sure
you're paying attention to. Does the battle for the victory
bell have anything remotely approaching that? And so you know,

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like a part of it is is a Big Twelve team.
Brian Kelly brought this up in two thousand and seven
when you see was in the Big East. Hey, look,
are we really going to go to a MAX school
every other year? That was seventeen years ago. How many
schools in the Big Twelve are going to going to
play on the road against a MAC opponent every other
year or even regularly playing them on.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
A neutral field. I'm guessing it really doesn't happen. More
than anything I just.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
You could talk about history and tradition, But in this
area you talk about something that has just generated and like,
I think this game's the game. This year will have
a little bit more punched just because Miami broke through
and finally won this past season, which credit to them.
But as a sporting event, it's become just another game

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on the calendar, and usually not a great one. Hunter
Green pitched grade last week while I was out. Then
he pitched great again yesterday. Here's what Hunter Green should do.
Hunter Green should do a hold in.

Speaker 6 (59:37):
This year.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
He's the one hundred and first highest paid starting pitcher
in baseball. That number is going to improve next year,
not as much as it would if he wasn't already
locked into a guaranteed deal.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Like we're doing this with Jamar Chase.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
If I'm a Hunter Green, I'm going actually, you know what,
I don't know, man, I only signed for this. My
salary is locked in for the next four years after
this one, when I was an All Star and perhaps
pitching myself onto the periphery of the Cy Young conversation,

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we might have to do a hold in. The Pete
Rose documentary debut on HBO and Max I chatted with
the director of the project last week, in part because well,
I know there's a lot of folks in town that
that project was going to be a big deal to
I watched it last night. I watched part one on

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Saturday afternoon, and the last three parts last night. I
watched it for the baseball part. I watched it for
the rare footage from back in the sixties and seventies.
I watched it for the perspective of others. The crux
of the Pete Rose story to me is played out

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and boring. I've maintained all a lot long.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Two things.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Number One, I don't feel bad for Pete Rose. I
feel bad for Pete Rose fans. I feel bad for
Reds fans. Number two, the concept of a lifetime ban
has been silly for the last fifteen years. The moment
they pulled him off the shelf for the All Century
Team in nineteen ninety nine, the Lifetime Band stopped being
a lifetime ban, and the concept of a lifetime ban

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has been sillier and sillier every time they pull him
off the shelf to use him to sell bobble heads
at a Reds game, or to be a part of
the All Star Game, or to put him in the
Phillies Hall of Fame, or to have him here for
a statue. And none of those things are bad. All
of those things are fine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
They're deserved. But when you let him back temporarily, it
ceases becoming a lifetime ban.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
I watched it. I gotta be honest with you. When
we get to the part about his exile from baseball,
I get kind of bored. I just don't know, like,
did anyone who watched that change their mind to Pete Rose?
Either way, I'm guessing the answer is no. The Olympics started,
I'm most into the US men's basketball because of all

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the Olympic sports, it's the one that I love the most.
But every four years there are sports that pop up
that I realize, you know what, this is kind of fun.
I think bad minton's kind of fun to watch. I
think Team hamball is a lot of fun to watch.
I have a question about field hockey. Why can't the
sticks be longer? Olympic soccer is more fun than the
World Cup, and the US men's basketball team got off

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to a good start. Paul Doherty's newsletter today asks does
it matter if they're as good as the nineteen ninety
two team. The answer is no, we need to put
that comparison away. The object is to win the gold
medal like that's it. That's the object. The object isn't
to live up to some lofty standard that if you

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look at Global Basketball in nineteen ninety two versus Global
Basketball in twenty twenty four, it's not even close. And
the thing that best exemplifies that is that Jason Tatum
didn't even play in the game the US played yesterday
in nineteen ninety two. Chuck Daily at least with the
NBA players not so much. Christian Latner could treat the

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game like an All Star game. Steve Kerr can't do that,
and right now he might have the most thankless task
in basketball. Do we have Joe Burrow? Can we do
it now? I'm watching him on TV? Give me Joe
Burrow talking on NFL Network as we speak. Go ahead, Tarren.

Speaker 11 (01:03:32):
Offseason just with the wrists. So that's something that I'm
working through. We're getting better every day.

Speaker 9 (01:03:37):
There's no secret relationship you and Jamar have. Did you
see the clip of when they asked him who the
number one player was on the NFL's top one hundred Okay,
So he refused to say the name of a quarterback
that lives in Cincinnati or Kansas City because of his
respect to you and he believes you're the number one quarterback.
When you have a guy like that on your team,
a friend like that, what is it like to know

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that dedication in the relationship that you guys have continued
to build.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Yeah, it's priceless. Really, you can't really.

Speaker 11 (01:04:05):
You know, we have a kind of relationship that we
can talk through just about anything on or off the field.
And when you have that kind of relationship, it makes
creating that chemistry and building that chemistry that much easier
on the field, and I think it shows on Sunday Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
He also says that he's open, He's always bleeping open.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I would agree with that, Joe. We've looked at a
couple of these.

Speaker 8 (01:04:26):
Young kids that are out here, Yoshi, out here, there's
Jermaine Burton, Trenton Irwin getting a great opportunity right now,
kind of take us through some of these young kids
that we might see play a big.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Role this year. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:04:36):
I feel great about how our young guys are coming
along right now. There's a lot of young receivers that
we've drafted over the last couple of years that are
having big camps that we're going to count on a
lot this year. Like you said, Andre, Trent Jermaine, you know,
those guys are are going to have to step up.
We lost TV in the slot, so you're not going
to replace him with one guy. We're going to replace
him with a bunch of different guys that have a

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bunch of different skill sets, and they're really coming along.

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
You've had a rope hating group at tight End, Joe
since you've been here. Gisicki comes in free agent. I
feel like he still has potential that hasn't been tapped yet.
He obviously has the size, red zone ability, all that.
He just really hadn't had a guy like you to
throw it to him. What have you seen from Mike, Yeah,
he's had a great canc so far. We're we're really
excited what he's bringing to the table for us.

Speaker 11 (01:05:19):
And then guys that we've had here in the past,
Tanner and Drew, they're having great camps as well. I
think this is the best and deepest our tight End
room has been since I've been here, And I think
you can say that at about a lot of different
positions that we have right now, offense and defense. So
we're feeling really good about the squad, feeling really good
about that tight end room, and we're having great days
of practice.

Speaker 9 (01:05:38):
You said a couple of years ago that the window
is your entire career. Now, seeing that you know some
people have moved on, Tyler's no longer a part of
the team, t signed the franchise tag Jamar is dealing
with contract situation right now. Do you still feel like
that you said earlier that you know the goals now
are team oriented.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Is there more of a pressure this season?

Speaker 11 (01:05:55):
I wouldn't say anymore than usual. That's life in the NFL. Guys,
we're gonna leave no contracts come up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
That's that's part of it.

Speaker 11 (01:06:05):
You know, whoever we step out on the field with
on Sundays, we expect to go out and win, and
whoever steps out there is expected to play at a
high level.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
And guys are doing that right now. All right, there
you go.

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Let's begin with the Reds, who play the Cubs tonight,
first of a three game series at GABP Carson Spiers.
We'll get the ball for Cincinnati Chicago going with Jamison
tay On.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
The starting lineup.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Has not yet been announced, perhaps because the Reds are
waiting to see if they have Ty France to Perhaps
maybe David Bell's just being lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I have no idea. Here's what we will tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Ty Franz has been acquired by the Reds, a twenty
twenty two American League All Star who well, he was
not an All Star this year in Seattle. He got
put on waivers and then he got DFAD and now
he has been traded along with cash considerations. Does, like,
do the Mariners give ty France the cash considerations for

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him to bring to Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
In exchange, Cincinnati sins catcher Andrew Salsado to Seattle. Reds
also placed on the ten day injured list Austin Wins
with a right territ major tear. They've brought up from
Louisville catcher Eric Yang who will make his big League debut,
and he appears in the game, and they have put
on the sixty day injured list. Graham Ashcraft Bengals winding

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down a brief practice tomorrow. They put on the pads.
Zach Taylor today said that Sam Hubbard is being labeled
day today after dealing with that knee issue last night
that had him get carted off the field. He says
it's quote not significant. He said that Trey Hendrickson has
been dealing with an injury, which is why he has
missed all but the first practice and no Jamar Chase.

(01:08:13):
Today during the Bengals limited workout Bengals in Bucks a
week from Saturday Night Live on ESPN fifteen thirty, We'll
go to Bengals practice. Tony Pike, Well, it's after practice.
Tony Pike is there. He was there when they were practicing.
He'll give us a live update next man. When addressing him.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
This is a training camp report. Brook to you boys.
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Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
A quarter to five ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Tony Pike is at Bengals training camp every afternoon giving
us hourly updates, even when there's not a lot happening.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Is there anything happening right now? Well?

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
No, A lot of the anticipation, it felt like it
was dying off as practice was ending, and I'm trying
to figure out why. And then I saw the report
that it's not expected that ty Frank will join the
team until tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Boy, that's just the air comes out of the balloon.

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
Yep, it did completely, but you know, it's just everything
about today mode just felt like they were just trying
to get to tomorrow. From Zach Taylor speaking earlier about
all the players that weren't practicing, to the importance of
this build up stage, to the importance of padded practices,
and you could talk about speculation of who's looked good,

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who hasn't, what position group until the pads go on.
I know it's cliche, but until the pads go on,
it's hard to get a good sense. So a lot
and rightfully so being built up starting tomorrow with this team, all.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Right, So the most talked about dynamic during training camp
so far has been the one involving Jamar Chase, and
he didn't go through practice today. He is not practiced yet.
Zach Taylor has talked about a plan. Has there been
any indication as to whether or not the plan involves
Jamar practicing tomorrow or this week or at any time

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before the Bengals play a game next Saturday night zero,
you know?

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
And I think, what's mad neat about this? Mo? And
you listen to Zach Taylor talked today, he's almost laughing
about it, you know, finishing now that you know. Zach
made the comment of you know, if you're healthy, you
know you're going to practice tomorrow. And I think Jeremy
Row followed up, what does that mean, Jamar and is
going to practice? And Zach just kind of laughed and said,
good question, and that was it. And I think that's

(01:10:38):
the most infuriating thing about this is that for all
the talk about a plan in place, no one knows
what the plan in place is. I talked about this
a little bit today, MO, and I know it's a
it's a completely different scale. But when I was playing
at the University of Cincinnati as a quarterback, it was
vital that I had guys that were going to practice

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during training camp because you in install so much and
you go out on the field, you want to be
able to tinker with stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
Let's say a route concept gets put in and Jamar
Chase is supposed to break it ten yards, but for
Joe Burrow it just doesn't feel right. So you adjust
and say, hey, break it eight yards, or maybe try
this release, or what if we line up here. That's
what training camp is for install, go do it on
the field and then make the adjustments. Especially for a
guy like Jamar Chase who's going to be used in motion,

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in the slot, out wide, in the backfield, you would
think that you need reps during training camp, and right
now they're not getting those and there's no plan in place,
even though we use the term plan in place, So
I don't know what the next step is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Well, and it is interesting because a lot of us
have taken the default position that look, it's it's Jamar Chase.
If there's a human being on the planet that has
good chemistry with Joe Burrow, it's Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
And I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
At the same time, I watched Game one last year.
Not a lot of chemistry. Now, Joe was compromised, but
not a lot of chemistry. I watched Game one two
years ago, not a lot of chemistry. And so look,
we're a little bit less than six weeks away from
the first game. I'm gonna guess that Joe and Jamar
are gonna be on the practice field. Hell, maybe as
soon as tomorrow. And I don't blame Jamar for what

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he's doing, and I don't blame Zach Taylor for whatever
role he's taken in this. But I don't think especially
for why you just articulated, We've heard for a while
they would have moved Jamar Chase all over the place,
and that was restricted a little bit last year because
training camp was interrupted because of the Joe Burrow calf issue, right,
And so I do think it's fair to wonder how

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long can this go before you worry about the early
season impact on the offense, regardless of who they play.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
We know their schedule early is easy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
But I don't think we should automatically discount that that
dynamic just because Joe and Jamar together have such a
good track record.

Speaker 6 (01:12:59):
Yeah, and and to me, you know, this was supposed
to be from the way Zach talked in the offseason,
it's a preseason. This was supposed to be a different
feel at training camp because they openly talked about how
poorly they started the last couple of years. But that's
an important takeaway here. And the other point you make,
and I think it's vital in this situation, what is

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the ultimate plan for Jamar Chase? I mean, let's let's
say let's say it's it's the Bengals are not involved.
Let's say it's Jamar Chase and has agent. What are
you willing to do to get what you want? If
you're Jamar Chase?

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Is that?

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
Are you willing to sit out up until the preseason games?
Are you willing to sit out the whole preseason? Are
you willing if you're Jamar Chase because you're only making
as people have talked about four million and some change,
are you willing to actually sit out games this year
because there has to be some end goal or else
Jamar Chase wouldn't be sitting out at all. So what's

(01:13:54):
the bottom line for Jamar Chase? And does Jamar Chase's
camp think that they have leverage because the Bengals have
essentially gone all in on this upcoming season, and you're saying, well,
if you're gonna if you're gonna go all in one
more time on T Higgins, maybe this is the time,
if you're Jamar Chase, that you force the hand of
the Bengals, knowing that this super Bowl window is so small. Again,

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it's all speculation, but it's speculating happens when there's no
clear directive from the top, And that's what it's been
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Yeah, And the one thing I'll say, I don't blame
Jamar necessarily for the approach that he's taking, but his
silence means that the voice of this has to become
a guy who's helpless. Like if you're Zach Taylor and
Jamar says, I'm not practicing today.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
What are you gonna do? Right? Correct ask him too,
I mean, like, so, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
So the guy who has to speak to this entire
situation is the guy who's affected by it, but most
helpless when it comes to sort of arranging whose role
is what and what which is why. There's a part
of me that wishes Jamar would just say, look, I'm
not going I'm holding in, I'm here, I'm fulfilling my
contractual obligation to be here, so I don't get fined.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
I'll be ready to go week one, trust me here.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
But instead Zach's gotta do this weird dance every single
day for something that he's not that responsible for.

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
Yeah, and what does every practice become? Then where's the attention?
What's going on with Jamar? What's going on with Jamar?
What's going on with Jamar? And that has to essentially
at some point leak into the locker room and becomes
some type of distraction for again, a preseason that has
been made about being all in, about needing to start fast,

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and you're starting it with distractions. And that's the frustrating
side of it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah, no, no question.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
All right, Well we're talking again in less than an hour, Tony,
thanks so much, all right, mo. Tony Pike is at
Bengals training camp, reports every hour on top of his
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Yeah yet out Red's made of trade today? Ty France,
Ty France, Uh was good? Hasn't been recently? Another guy

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they're hoping, well, he used to be good and maybe
he'll be it. It feels like there's a large chunk
of this year's roster with players who fit that profile
right Santiago Espinal and Frankie Montas and now Tye Austin
Slater ty France.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Reds With a very dispiriting weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
I've heard a lot of folks say the loss yesterday
kind of a microcosm of the season right, very good
starting pitching. Hunter Green was outstanding yesterday. The team didn't
support him offensively, They didn't support him on the base pass,
they didn't support him with the bullpen, and a game
that was there for the taking gets away because of

(01:17:37):
a variety of factors, most notably, the offense stinks, like
I could try to be more semantically responsible. They've played
one hundred and five games. The offense stinks like there
might be excuses you want to make for that. There
might be very good and explainable reasons for it, but

(01:18:00):
the offense stinks. You might call it a microcosm of
the season because with the Reds continued to waste, they're
getting above league average starting pitching. You know, Andrew Abbit
kind of fell apart in the fifth inning on Saturday,
but Nicolodola was really good on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
They won that ballgame.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
If you go back, there are a lot of comparisons
to where we were a year ago with the Reds
didn't do it the deadline last year, and how this
year has kind of made us feel about that. The
starting pitching from then to now almost a one eighty,
and yet the team is dramatically worse five under five
hundred entering the final three days of July with the

(01:18:43):
trade deadline looming in less than twenty five hours. I
don't think though yesterday was as much a microcosm of
the season as much as I fear it's going to
be a microcosm of the future. We've done a couple
of different things this summer. Most of us have gotten
really excited about the season that Hunter Green is having,

(01:19:06):
and he's having an excellent year. He deserved to be
an All Star. If you were mad at the fact
that he had a bad All Star Game performance, you're
a loser. He has been terrific since against middling offensive
teams at best, but he's had a very good year.
We've talked a lot about Hunter Green and how long
the Reds have him under contract for. We've also marveled

(01:19:30):
at the season that Ellie de la Cruz is having.
Ellie Dela Cruz also deserve to be an All Star.
Ellie Dela Cruze's future seems exceptionally bright, almost limitless. I
would say the same about Hunter Green. Yesterday we got
the full Hunter Green experience. A guy who looks like
he has figured out how to pitch, who can throw

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it very hard, but doesn't have to throw it very hard.
Who is trusting more of his pitches, who can dance
out of trouble? Well, he just keeps getting better. Meanwhile,
the Reds got from Elie de la Cruz a three
hit performance should have been four based on a poor
scorer's decision, and he stole four bases. He also made

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a really slick play in the field. Now, whenever Ellie's
name has been brought up, it's are they going to
sign him long term? And my counter to this has
always been probably not, But okay, they get him for
five more years. If he signed a free agent contract today,
If he was due to be a free agent at
the end of this season and they signed him for

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five years, you wouldn't ask about the sixth year. That's
been my take all along. My bigger take has been,
how about this? Why don't they try to figure out
a way to win with him while they have him?
So what happened yesterday? Hunter Green was awesome, Ellie Dela
Cruz was awesome. The Reds lost. That's the microcosm of

(01:20:59):
the future I fear. Over the last thirty or so years,
the Reds haven't had a lot of high end players
they had Joey Vado.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Say which one about Joey Vado.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
My biggest regret, maybe as a Reds fan, is here
you had a guy that put together I think legitimate
Hall of Fame credentials certainly gonna be in the conversation.
Is maybe the best homegrown player the Reds have produced
since Barry Larkin, A guy who is in the conversation

(01:21:32):
with some of the other all time greats from a
statistical and individual performance standpoint, but he's not identified with
winning because they couldn't figure out a way to win
while they had him. Do I think that's gonna happen
while the Reds have Elie de la Cruz and Hunter
Green not necessarily do I fear that that'll be the case?

(01:21:57):
How couldn't I? So I watched that ball game yesterday.
I watched Hunter Green pitches tailoff. I'll when we played
the Imaginary stock game early in the season and I
bought everybody's Hunter Green stock. I feel really good about that,
and I'm still not selling. We did the same thing
when people wanted to send Ellie Dela Cruz to a
rookie ball or a ball or China or prison, and

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I said, I'll buy all that Ellie Delacruz stock. I'll
keep taking it. Reds have two insanely talented young players
who are committed to be here, under contract, to be
here for the rest of the decade.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
What I fear is what I.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Saw yesterday in a nine inning little vacuum becomes the
theme of the second half of the decade. You might say, oh,
you're being overly dramatic.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I probably am.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
You're overreacting out of frustration because of how the season
has gone and how David Bell managed yesterday, which was
an entirely different story. And maybe there's some validity to that,
But like that, to me is really what the next
couple of years are about. I know Hunter Green's really good.
I know Elie de la Cruz is really good. I

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think those guys are gonna be better. Forget keeping them forever,
forget paying them more. You gotta take advantage of having them.
And you might say the answer is yes. Well, for
the answer to be yes, some of the other players
they have have to get healthy and have to improve.

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Also the front office, and look, I've given Nick Crawl
a lot of credit for a lot of things, a
lot of credit for a lot. I'm the guy who
a year ago was chanting stick with Nick, right, I
don't curtuitously beat him up. But it is a front
office with a limited track record. It is an ownership

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group that has never really won anything. It is a
franchise that seems likely to go into twenty twenty five
still looking for its first postseason advancement since I was
a freshman in college. You're very very reasonable if for
all of the player acquisitions that seem to be promising,

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you're still skeptical and the way the front office has operated,
and you may excuse them for this. The way the
front office has operated since about this time last year,
up to and including the acquisition of Tie France, who
the Mariners in the thick of a playoff chase are

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so enamored with they got rid of them for nothing.
The way they have acted would suggest they're not quite
yet willing or able or empowered to do everything needed
to be the best in the world at what they

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do to feel the best possible team. I'm looking at
teams all throughout the sport like this is gonna sound stupid.
Why couldn't the Reds trade for Randy a Rose Arena.
Do they even try? And I know there are pockets

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of the fan base that are conditioned to not thinking big,
and so we try to talk ourselves into.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Austin Slater and Mike Ford and uh.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Ah yes, Santiago Espinal, uh Connor Cable is here for
about five minutes then while the team that just dropped
Ty France off along with cash considerations in Cincinnati gave
up two A ball guys for.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Randy a Rose Arena. I can't the Reds do that?

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Like I'm looking around the sport man and I see
now the Tampa bay Rays, like partially dismantled their team
this weekend, still won two out of three. Anybody like
walk across the field to go talk to somebody with
the Tampa bay Rays this weekend and go, hey, hey,

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if you're gonna if you're gonna move on from Zach Eflin,
maybe maybe maybe we.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Maybe maybe we'd be interested. Anybody do that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
Or with estac Paratus got traded after the game yesterday
when when the Miami Marlins unloaded uh Luisa rise back
in like early May, well before the trade deadline, and
traded him to the San Diego Padres, many of us
wondered did the Reds even though he was available, and

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since he is, I bet you Jazz Chisten's available. Gestism
has his flaws, he's probably a little overhyped relative to
what he's actually accomplished. But young, controllable, talented traded to
the New York Yankees. I put the Reds trade for him,

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and so like, whether it's fair or not, the mo
of this franchise is becoming one that's content to settle
for what they have and who they are, and one
that's you know, the strategy is, let's keep acquiring guys
that used to be good and hope that they can
somehow magically get good again. Meanwhile, a lot of other teams,

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including the Cubs, who are not really in it acquiring
players that can help right now, and you're under team
control for beyond twenty twenty four. It makes you, I think,
if you're like me, feel like for all the good
the Reds have done, and there's been a lot of
good in terms of acquiring young talent, they're either just

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not willing or just not capable of doing the sort
of things that can pull them out of this large
group of teams that are almost indistinguishable.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
From each other. It feels like the Reds.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
I think they're pointing in a certain direction, yet it
still feels like in many respects they're drifting aimlessly. They're
not a terrible team, they're out a team without some
valuable assets. I feel like they're close to a championship one.
A year ago at the trade deadline, when they refused

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to make this glaring weakness better the starting pitching, it
caused many people to wonder, God, you know what, why
are they so unwilling to go for it? The trade
deadline strategy, which many will have you believe was formed
around the outcome of yesterday's game, which is astounding to me.

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The trade deadline strategy right now, it is kind of
uninteresting to me. If they sell, what they get back
is probably not going to be all that much. And
if they buy, I guess there's going to be more
dudes like ty France. And even if the guys better
than ty France, the team is probably not good enough
for that one player to make a huge difference. It's

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not about the trade deadline strategy. It's about how this
offseason they didn't insulate themselves better for when injury inevitably happened.
It's about how they put too much stock in players,
young players who showed flashes last year improving upon those

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performances this season. And it's about how a roster that
was very obviously flawed at the beginning of the season
there was no real, bonafide, tangible effort to make it
better beyond dudes like Mike Ford, Austin Slater and Tie France.

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That is extraordinarily deflating if you care about this franchise.
And then you add to it David Bell's managing yesterday,
which even those of us who have long been I
don't want to say supporters, but maybe even apologists of
the Reds manager. I think over the last five or

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six weeks, you've noticed more and more of us going like, dude,
what's he doing in the eighth inning?

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Yesterday? I could not believe.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
Watching the ROKU broadcast they cut to the bullpen in
a tie game, in the eighth inning, game hanging in
the balance, and perhaps inexplicably trade deadline hanging in the balance.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
The go to move is Lucas simms.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
I, I.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
I don't know what to do, man, Hey, I don't
know how you defend that the base running continues to
not get better. They continue to use the contact play
and it makes no sense. They constructed a lineup yesterday
that played right into the hands of Kevin Cash, the
Tampa Bay manager, in a series that was going to

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determine the strategy for the trade deadline. They played a
team that punted on the season well, arguably in a
better position to win this year than the Reds. And
what did the Reds do? They lose two out of
three by scoring four runs in three games. React to that, however,

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you wish five point three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty. Uh,
the Jamar Chase thing has a lot of different dynamics.
We'll try to explore as many of them as we
can up on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station twenty
five after five, ESPN fifteen thirty, Zach Taylor Talk Today.
We'll have that for you coming up in just about
ten minutes. It does feel like they've avoided any sort

(01:32:12):
of real bad news as it relates to Sam Hubbard
also know Jamar Chase again today, Yeah, Jamar Chase. You know,
Tony and I were talking about this. My guess is
Jamar Chase is going to have an excellent season because
he's an excellent player. And if there is a player
whose relationship with Joe Burrow should be banked on in

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the face of a lot of other stuff, it's the
one that Jamar has with Joe Burrow. That said, as
we talk about chemistry and being on the same page,
I've watched stuff that's happened in training camp in each
of the last couple of years blow up chemistry early

(01:32:55):
in the season, like it's not it's worth not totally discounting,
and it's we're not even a weekend. It's not even
August yet. The first game isn't for nearly six weeks.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff. Jamar may be

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on the practice field by the end of this week,
and this is forgotten. Jamar may never practice play in
the first game, catch eight passes for one hundred and
forty yards against the Patriots and two touchdowns, and no
one's gonna care that he held in. But specifically for
a guy who for a while now, we've talked about
them moving all over the place, you are being reasonable

(01:33:38):
if you wonder about there being a slight disruption and
what they're trying to do early in the season because
of what's happening right now. I don't blame Jamar Zach
Taylor's in a really tough position, I said an hour ago,
Zach Taylor's middle management. Middle management is often caught between

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the real decision makers up here and the employees they're
trying to keep happy. And Jamar Chase is a guy
who just wants to get paid, and I can't blame
him for that. I can't blame the Bengals. Like we
as fans are more often than not, if asked, if
pushed into a corner, we're going to choose two side
with the player. The player we buy his jersey, that's

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the guy we stand in line for autographs for players
are more popular.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
We get it, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
But the Bengals, I know, when ever there's a situation
like this, there's a tendency by some to just want
to whale away at them for being cheap or frugal.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Or out of touch, and I just I'm not equipped
to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
Like Jamar Chase has two more years left on his contract,
I have a year and a half left on mine.
I certainly hope it gets renewed. It ends at the
end of twenty twenty five. If if I went to

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my employers today and said, why don't we get started
on twenty twenty six, They're gonna go, h can can
we wait a little while? Like that's what I would expect.
I wouldn't expect them to go, yeah, well, you know what,
tell you what, let's let's start working on that right now.

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I would expect him to go, like, what's the rush? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Me over here?

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Would I love the security that came with it? What
I love knowing I got a job past twenty twenty
It'd be awesome? And how it works. Man, I'm not
Jamar Chase by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not
nearly as valuable here as Jamar as to the Bengals.
But from their perspective, like all right, like we have
you for two more years, like you are under team control.

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We've made it known publicly. Mike Brown spoke about Jamar
Chase last week, excuse me, in ways that he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Talk publicly about players.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
They've quite publicly not gotten a deal done with T Higgins,
which would suggest they're prioritizing the other wide receiver, who
is better by almost every measurement. So there's still every
reason to believe they'll get the deal done. They don't
do deals unless it's Joe Burrow when there's a lot
of time left on the contract. You know, if you

(01:36:27):
work in a place where there's like a two year
commitment to you and you go, I want a new
deal right now, they're probably gonna go, well, why, Like,
we're gonna wait. We're gonna wait and see what happens,
See how things unfold. Check out all the different variables
that are gonna factor in. It's not apples to apples,
but it's it's not apples to watermelons either. All Right,
we're gonna get some phone calls and I promise we're

(01:36:48):
gonna hear from Zach Taylor and one more chat with
Tony Pike coming up on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
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Ellie Dela Cruz is not in the starting lineup tonight. Now.
Ellie Dela Cruz has been an iron man for the Reds.
Doesn't take days off. He has appeared in all but
one game this season. Like Ellie Deela Cruz answers the Bell,

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he's having a terrific year. Ellie Deela Cruz is off because,
according to the reporters down to GABP David Bell said, well,
it's a pre planned off day in the In the
in the wake of the All Star Game, they had
talked about how we're gonna get your day off here

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soon after the All Star Game, which took place two
weeks ago tomorrow, correct me if I'm wrong. Because of
the rain out in Atlanta, the first rain out in Atlanta,
the Reds did not play last Tuesday. They also had

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a scheduled off day on Thursday. They have another scheduled
off day this Thursday. So in a nine day stretch,
the Reds will have had three days where they do
not play a baseball game. That's not enough for your

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best player when tonight, I guess you're playing pseudo shorthanded.
Like I understand how this sport works. Nobody plays every
single game. Guys get days off, Like I get it.
I've heard a lot a lot about how critical these
games are as we inch closer to the trade deadline.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Remember they had the big stretch right after they swept
the Yankees, that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
That home stand that was going to define the season,
and then well after the All Star break, it's it's
a road trip that's going to define the season.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
And they keep.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
Not really performing well during those stretches, but they'll insist.
You know, we like and I know it's just one guy.
You're running out there, Carson Spires. Tonight, you just lose
two out of three to the Tampa Bay Rays. You
had a road trip that, let's call it, what is
a losing road trip that went three and five time
is of the essence. We can't ask Elie de la

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Cruz to suck it up and play nine innings tonight. Now,
what I'm not reading here is that he's dealing with
soreness or any sort of issue. I just pre planned
off day.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
He played in the All Star Game. On the sixteenth,
he played in no baseball games. On the seventeenth, he
played in no baseball games. On the eighteenth, he played
in no baseball games. On the twenty third, he played
in no baseball games. In the twenty fifth, Eli dela
Cruz has barely worked more than me over the last
couple of weeks since the All Star Game, there have

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been four days where Ellie dela Cruz. And I'm not
banging on Ellie man, I'm the world's biggest Eli de
la Cruz fan since the All Star Game, and I like,
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
It's a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
I mean, even if you go back to the day
before the All Star Game on the fifteenth, two weeks ago,
in the last two weeks, there have been one, two, three, four,
five days where Elie dela Cruz didn't have to play baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Five days in the last two weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
They have another day this Thursday where or he doesn't
have to play a baseball game. And by the way,
they don't have to travel. They stay at home. We
can't ask our guy to strap it up and go.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
And look, let's be honest, chances are he's gonna play
to night. At some point.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Pintron defense uses bat like, let's wager amount of money
on whether Ellie delar Cruise is going to appear in
the game tonight. So somebody's gonna get six innings off.
It's gonna be an hour and a half where he sits.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
On the bench. I'm not being unreasonable here, right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
They literally played three games after two days off, and
like I know, in the rain delay, it's not the
same as an off day, as you know, you don't
come to the ballpark. But since July fifteenth, there have
been five days where Ellie Dela Cruiz didn't have to
play baseball and we can't ask him to play night

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unless you're announcing to the world we're done for the year.
And maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe this is the
signal that we've all been waiting for. What direction are
the Reds gonna go in? We're so out on winning
this year that even with the crappy Cubs coming to
town five games under five hundred time is of the essence.
We're just we're gonna go into load management with Elie

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Dela Cruz on Jamar Chaset in practice to the Reds.
Have we even seen a lineup for tonight? The game
starts in an hour and a half Reds and Cubs.
They say Sam Hubbard's day to day the Bengals do

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with the knee issue that put him on the sideline
and on a cart last night. Trey Hendrickson's been dealing
with something, which Zach Taylor says explains his absences, and
there is no line if the game starts in ninety minutes.
Maybe Elladela Cruz is like, dude, let me play. I'm
gonna be off on Thursday. That's a couple of days away.

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I've been off. I'd like to play baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Please tell me that's the case.

Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
All right, I've hogged the time to myself today and
I have not meant to.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Do that, right.

Speaker 5 (01:43:18):
I know you promised Zach Taylor audio, But unless you
just want to hear Zach Taylor talk, because it's hard
to hear the questions as being asked.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
All right, what are we going to hear Zach Taylor saying?
You know what I'm saying if we don't want to
hear Zach because we don't know what the questions are.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
Yeah, So look what he said today that was important
was Sam's okay, Trey's been dealing with something. No jamar
limited reps for Burrow today, pads on tomorrow. Look like
that's the important part, right, Yeah, I'd rather talk to Phil. Phil,
You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. How you doing, Phil? I

(01:43:58):
hope Phil's okay?

Speaker 6 (01:43:59):
Phil?

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Mike, what's up?

Speaker 12 (01:44:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
Bill got burnt out waiting ever night's day Bill. The
Preacher is back, Ladies and gentlemen, the Preacher is back.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Who's the preacher?

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
You?

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Here's what I want to know, Mike. Forget about me. Okay,
I've been gone for a while. How are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
I don't know. I'm doing what they tell me to do.
I don't want bore people, but you know, it's just
not a good scenario. But I'm looking out these fifteen
foot high steps coming in off the ocean because of
this al ninial effect, and it is dramatic. And there's
about seventy guys out there surfing it. They're all they

(01:44:44):
all got to be under thirty years old, because those
ways can literally kill you. I'm watching these guys surfing.
They're just so good at it. How are you doing?
How's the family all that?

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Mike?

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
Everybody is great. We were in post vacation mobile rapping
up up to the start of the second grade.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
I know, because it's not it's Hitt't that incredible how
fast the time goes vimll It just blow your mind,
isn't it? It really does? And you're getting ready for
your heavy part of the year where we don't get
many days.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
Off correct for talk reason.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
Yeah, you are, so. I admire your time management thing there,
load manage or whatever it is. Hey, what I wanted
to ask you about was, so the Reds are nine
and twenty one in one run games. We got this
run differential thing that we've talked about before, and it's

(01:45:37):
just intrigued. Okay, so we're thirty plus thirty five. Now
I'm looking at all these teams that are playoff eligible basically,
and the Heavies are the heavies. They're at the top.
We know that they're one hundred and fourteen plus one
hundred and six ninety four eighty one eighty, but Milwaukee's eighty.

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The Reds are a level that's a thirty five. Can
you explain to me how the Cardinals are twenty third
at minus forty eight and then second place? Is it
just our defense, our bonehead then a mistakes that that
can't be the reason for that much of a disparity.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Without examining every game the Cardinals have played and looking
into how many lobsided games that they have played, what
I will tell you is they are probably better at
not giving away outs on the base pass. And I
don't have the data in front of me to back
that up, So maybe I'm wrong. They have been very
good in one run games twenty and fourteen. They have

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been poor in games decided by five runs or more.
So they've played in twenty four games this year, Mike,
where the final margin of victory was five runs or more.
The Cardinals have lost ten more and they have won,
so there's at least fifty runs right there, So that's

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twenty four. I'll try to do the math as quickly
as I can. Here. They played thirty four to one
run games. They've played in twenty four blowouts. That's fifty
eight out of what if they played one hundred and five,
So more than half of their games have either been
a blowout or a one run game.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
So if you take the.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
Blowouts, they're minus fifty at best, and probably more than that.
In fact, they're minus seventy seven. They've given up seventy
seven more runs than they have scored in those twenty
four games that have been decided by five runs or more. Yet,
they're really good in one run games, so they're not

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blowing teams out. They're winning the close ones. Well, all right,
So then if it's they're twenty and fourteen in one
run games. That's plus six. Add the six to the
minus seventy seven, and there's minus seventy one in fifty
eight of the games that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
They have played.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
And yet they have a not a winning record if
you combine them, but a decent record. They're slightly below
five hundred. Is this making any sense?

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
No, because it's an enigma. It's a damn enigma, I
guess saying. But I appreciate you elucidating those facts because
I didn't handle them. And you're good at that. You're
really good at that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Yeah. So they they've been, they've been really good in
close games.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
They've been, you know, banning games that have been decided,
buy a lot of runs, and that's how that's partially
how you end up with a good record, but a negative,
dramatically negative run differential. So like, if you look at
the Cardinals just over the last four games, they want
to walk off yesterday against Washington four to three. The

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day before, they lose fourteen three. Two games prior to
that in Pittsburgh they lose five nothing. They're loss prior
to that was an eight three game. When they lose,
they get they get drubbed, they lose by a lot.
When they win, they manage to eke one out like
they did yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
So that's just so strange. But and I appreciate you
doing that work right there, because your little brain was
going a mile a minute. Thanks you call, all right,
little brain.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Big both, it's a little brain, really quick.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
What else, real quick? I'm tired of hearing these analysts
about the NFL saying, well, there just aren't that many
good quarterbacks in the NFC compared to the AFC. But
I wrote them all down, and I see the AFC
having one more quality quarterback than the NFC. So you
can talk about that some other time if you'd like.

(01:49:39):
But thanks for taking my call, and take care of
my friends.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
All right, man, good to hear your voice. We'll hear
Tony Pike's voice. Next. This is Tyler Lang, founder and
CEO of JO.

Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
This is a training camp report Brooke to you bar Skylight,
Jillie feeling good. It's Skylight underd and fifteen thirty the
official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
Yes, all right, one more chat with Tony Pike, who
has been at the venue originally known as Paul Brown Stadium.
All afternoon monitoring training camp practice. Bengals put on the
pads tomorrow, so they ratcheted things down today, correct.

Speaker 6 (01:50:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think they ratcheted in two cents.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:50:17):
Knowing that, and we talked before the impending trade deadline,
there's just too much for the Bengals to want to
add more at practice today.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
Yeah, And and Tony's referring to the baseball trade deadline
and the impending arrival of time France.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
What will you be looking for tomorrow when they put
on the pads.

Speaker 6 (01:50:37):
Offensive and defensive lines? I was asked earlier today. You
know what about Sheldon Rankins? What about the defensive line? Well,
I don't know, because they've yet to go live. There
is an individual, there's not one on ones, and when
pads go on for the first time, you get a
chance to look at the line and so much as
one now on the offensive line and the defensive line

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and right. So it's been very quiet on Trent Brown,
who has tightness just general tightness. We don't know what
the tightness is. It's just general. But that gets more
reps for Amrius Mims. What does Amerius Mims look like
against Trey Hendrickson? If he's practicing Sam Hubert, if he's
practicing Files Murphy, newcomer Sheldon Rankins, what does he look

(01:51:20):
like against those interior offensive lineman? What about Chris Jenkins,
who's got a lot of notoriety this offseason. I love
on the first day of pads to be able to
check out those battles on the offensive and defensive line
because it's the first time you get to do it
during training camp.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
Yeah, and you talk about the offensive and defensive line.
What the Bengals enjoyed last year is not likely to
be something they enjoy this year. They have the same
starting five on the offensive line for all seventeen games
last season. Great health on the offensive line well year
to year, that tends to not be the case. Their
line depth last season was not tested. I do think

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it's fair to wonder about the line depth this year
and maybe we get some answers starting to.

Speaker 6 (01:52:01):
Yeah, I mean, are we going to go through another
camp mode of wondering is Jackson Carmon going to make
the roster because right now he's in that backup role
And for every year I feel like, in different sense,
it's been will Jackson Carman make this team? But you're right,
you know, I think the draft pick of Amarius Men's
with where Trent Brown is right now looks like a

(01:52:22):
huge pick because that gives them some immediate depth. But
outside of that, you've got to count on Frank Pollack
developing the depth from what this roster has and what
this roster has been. So again, interior defensive line was
a huge talking point in the off season. Offensive line
depth a huge talking point in the offseason, and as

(01:52:43):
you mentioned, for the first time for training camp, you
get to see that live and Zach Taylor he hit
on earlier today. A lot of training camp is building
to the first day of training camp. I expect the
intensity to build up. I expect the duration of practice
at self to go a little bit longer than what's
what it's been going. So you know, if there's an

(01:53:04):
excitement level and you kind of dip into training camp,
tomorrow should be the one that things turn off from
an intensity standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
All right, Tony Pike, Thank you very much. Tony.

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
Back at it tomorrow for since e three sixty along
with Austin Elmore noon three, and then back with us
on the first day of padded practice three to six tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Three forty five, four forty five, and five forty five.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
By the way, one note, Paul Danner Junior is not
going to be with us tomorrow because he has to
do his job and cover practice.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
So he'll be with us in the studio on Wednesday.
Go we're done.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
Welcome back again, Welcome back. It's good to be here.
Thank you very much. Load management season is over. Have
an awesome night thanks to a Taran plan for producing,
and thanks to you for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
Have a great night. Back at it tomorrow three oh five.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
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