August 6, 2024 • 30 mins
Paul Dehner Jr. of The Athletic and The Growler Podcast joined us to discuss Joe Burrow's appearance on Saturday night in a game that doesn't count, Amarius Mims becoming the talk of training camp, and a whole slew of important Bengals-related topics that the fate of the world hinge on.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Said, Footballs.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Orange and Black kick off their preseason schedule against
Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
What incredible catch tie, It's.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The Bengals and Buccaneers in a pigskin season preview.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
The second effort get the Bangles touchdown.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Look, Zach Taylor's men proved they're ready for a super
Bowl bound season. Down Bang the Ball from Dan Ord
and Dave Laffa. Coverage starts Saturday at three on ESPN
fifteen thirty, the official home of the.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Bank Paul Tayner Juniors.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Here saw my good afternoon, Moegger ESPN tifteen thirty.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Appreciate you listening.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Bengals are not practicing today, which means Paul can be
here in the cool confines of our studios here in Kenwood.
We'll get into the Reds. Last night the Elie de
la Cruz show that was on display in Miami. Here
in a bed plus hourly updates from Tony Pike. He's
(00:58):
giving us training camp reports even though there's no training
can tonight. That's the sort of commitment that we make
to covering this team.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I am jealous of Tony Pike. Why why got a
tent yesterday? He had a tent to do the broadcast
stay the lie they had the broadcast of sincey three
sixty going on over there, and those of us in
the media that have been sweating to just very uncomfortable
levels for a week or two now to walk in
(01:26):
and see him just set up in the beautiful confines
of that blue tent, extreme jealousy. The tent wasn't for him.
The tent is for the equipment yet, but he got
to be under it. He gets to be under it.
I don't care. Why doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
The tent isn't for Prima Donna, Tony. The tent is
to keep the equipment from overheating. Because I go back
to my experience in Los Angeles. I had no tent.
I had really nothing, but I had equipment to broadcast from,
and my only concern was how do I keep this
(02:03):
stuff with the sun beating down on it from overheating.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Is that why you wanted to be so close to
the icebox? Yes, yeah, because there's cooler.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well yeah, Also, the ice box was plugged into something,
and so I needed to plug into something. But during
commercial breaks, I would put the equipment in the icebox
to cool it off.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I mean, I've I've never wanted to do the long
longest segment ever. Then what a great day. So so
I'm I'm down for whatever. If they ever need any
any time, I'm happy I or just to sit, I
can be I can help with audio, be a two
or key grip. Yeah, you know, any number of things
(02:39):
that I would be happy to do to help the
production time.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Always get some tent to.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Long list of key grips that we employ here.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Paul Daanner Junior covers the Cincinnati Bengals for the Athletic
dot Com. He does a podcast, The Growler podcast Balds
Don't Lie came out today.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, me and you. You turn that around very quickly.
I did.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I talked about the preseason game on Saturday night and
so much more.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot to discuss. I
thought it was another great discussion. It was, it was,
And so we're ramping up to Sunday. Bengals back out
of practicing tomorrow. They did make a change.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
The workout on Thursday is now gonna be inside the
stadium and not open to the public. They did add
and open to the public workout on August the nineteenth.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
We're gonna watch Joe Burrow on Saturday Night. How about that? Yeah,
you have to be so uncomfortable with this. I am, yeah,
I am.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I mean you had one ask, really and that was
just please no preseason for this man ever.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But I am. I'm a flexible person. I'm not rigid. Okay,
I change my mind. I can be swayed. I can
be convinced. Have you changed your mind? I haven't changed
my mind. I hope that next year Joe Burrow doesn't
play in the preseason. I understand why he's playing in
the in the preseason this go round. We talked about
(03:58):
this on your podcast and it was a longer discussion.
I am going to watch on Saturday Night with apprehension
and nervousness that I have not ever had for a
preseason game because the risk reward equation still is not
really in favor of him playing. But I'm also the
guy that's yelled and screamed about how bad they've played
in September.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So you got to change some things in August. So
they are, So let's do it.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
And you know, I'll give you a silver lining to
that personal cloud there for you, and that is he
feels good enough, the team feels more than comfortable enough
with where he's at physically, with the risks, which the
way he's playing, with where he's just at generally to say, yeah,
this is totally fine, like this is there's no reason
we can't do this. We should be able to do this.
(04:41):
If everybody here is in agreement, so go ahead. That's
a good thing. I mean, if I would have told
you that back in March, right, you just said, I'll
take it. Yeah, put him in the preseason if that
means everybody feels comfortable enough with where he's at. And
I think that's kind of the silver lines he's in.
It's such a comfortable place that everybody feels good about.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Him going out there and going through this whole routine
and playing.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The second game of the season. Each of the last
couple of years has been clunky. Really the second game
of the year the last three years has been clunky
because you go back to twenty twenty one, they played
the Bears, I think we two and it was awful. Yeah,
well they're gonna play there arguably their toughest ever Week
(05:27):
two opponent on the road. Now, they did play Baltimore
last year, who ended up being really really good. The
Bengals made that game close, but they were terrible offensively
in the first time. I want to beat two and Oh.
I want to beat the Kansas City Chiefs week two.
I want to put them in a maybe an zero
to two hole, depend depending on what happens against Baltimore.
I want to be four and oh at the Ravens
coming here. I can't do that if I'm not two
(05:49):
and Oh. I want to win those games. I want
to play from ahead. I want to make this great
division all. I want to make all the other teams
chase Cincinnati. I want to make Kansas City have to
chase I want to make them play all year long
Arm with the knowledge that in order to get the
higher seed than the Bengals, they've gotta they can't tie him.
So I woult to win that second game. Yeah, I'm
(06:10):
putting a premium on winning Game two. That game really matters.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So let's go. Let's do what you got to do
in August and go win game two.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I don't know playing a series in the preseason is
going to change the way to the level that they
play in Game two. I just I just have never
bought the fact that playing in the preseason has had
to do with these slow starts. I understand why Joe
wants to do it, and I will look at Game
one for that. I think it's about the first quarter
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or half of Game one really just coming in and
finding that comfort that It's just always been more about
his health, like I just I've just that's what it's been.
I think for the most part has been about the
health of Joe Burrow, not getting all the reps he's
getting right now in practice and in the joint practices
(07:00):
that they're about to have, and whatever he's gonna do
in the preseason game is fine if that's part of
his process what he wants to be part of his
process of going through game day and the off the
field and going into the huddle and just having a
team that goes through that one time with him. That's
like that stuff part is so secondary to me. Then
everything we've been watching out there for the last ten
(07:22):
practices and we'll be watching for the next couple of weeks,
and just.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, Joe danaman Chane nineteen.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Had had a great look that he caught of Burrow
with Andrey Jossi Vash just talking through a play and
then talking to Andre about it afterwards what they're doing,
and Andre was saying, Oh, he's showing me how on
this one to kind of go up a little that
way and then I'll throw it that way. Then he
runs through it, and it's something that we saw him
(07:51):
catch for a touchdown and an eleven on eleven earlier
in practice sessions, and like he's got none of that
in recent years, like that type of stuff to have
develop younger players connections other than Jamar Chase and t Higgins,
and he's had the luxury of the three guys that
that he had. But it's it's so much about sharpening
the sword that way for him more than it is, oh,
(08:12):
this this one drive. I just think that's just a
mental part of feeling prepared for Week one is just
going through that. The actual playing better in week one
and two is about everything that's happening out there right now.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, how much do we expect him to play Saturday?
A drive? A drive regardless of how the drive goes.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I think, so, what if the drive is one seventy
five yard touchdown pass?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Woo, that's cool? Yeah, right, yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
What if the drive is two handoffs and a drop
pass and it's.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
A three and out. We've seen that before, we have Yeah, no,
I mean probably right. Maybe they maybe they decide to
go back out the vers second one just because they're
so unhappy with how it went, or they have six
or seven plays scripted, or something like that. I I
don't know specifically, but every single time I have heard
it mentioned, the word drive has been used singularly. Now,
(09:06):
I'm sure there's circumstances that it might change, but I
think for the most part, the idea is go out
there and do a drive and then go sit down.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
First and ten. He drops back to throw and it's
a pick six. He coming back out for another one.
Throw it again, throw it again. Revenge on the mind. Yes,
keep going. That's it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
That's when you all of a sudden, Jamar comes off
the bench with a helmet and just runs a dough
ball so they can.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Okay, i'd me that'd be all right. Uh? Is he
going to play in all the preseason games? Burrow? Yeah no, No,
I think this is it. This is it, one and done.
I think this is probably it. Okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm just I'm trying to figure out what my level
of anxiety I think this should be your highest level
of anxiety should be just for this first drive, and
then I think you'll be What I'm considering doing is
just turning it on right around eight o'clock on Saturday
and just sort of looking at you guys on Twitter
to Okay, they're not tweeting about season's over, and then Okay,
(10:05):
it happened. He was out there, and now I can
enjoy the rest of the preseason and watch Jake Browning
and Logan Woodside at all.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
It's sort of the theory of leaving a Reds game
in the eighth inning when they're up by one. It's like, look,
if they win, good, they should have won, and I'll
hear about it on the way home. And if they lose,
I didn't want to see that anyway, Right, you just
don't watch, Just just rely on this isn't something you're
gonna want to see unless you can go back and
rewatch it without the anxiety.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So just just take it that way.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'll watch it Sunday or Monday or
something just so I could, you know, talk about it
and stuff. But like experiencing that in real time fun.
It isn't going to be necessarily enjoyable. Yeah, I'll make
sure I can just text you directly. Burrows on the ground.
He's holding something like you want me? Do you want
to get it from me?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
No? No, No, I don't. How would you like that
news delivered?
Speaker 5 (10:54):
It?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Not it would ever happen, of course, just Joe, I have.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
A feeling if it would be something like that, there'd
be no shortage of folks that would. I don't think
you have anything to worry about, Okay, A Marius Mims
is the story of Camp and I want to talk
about him when we come back.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
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Speaker 1 (11:20):
This is more exciting than the preseason game itself. I think.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
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Three to four.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That starts at three o'clock. YEP, very good games at
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Speaker 4 (11:49):
Five because Tony's gonna take it from there. Tony's gonna
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wrote about a Marius Mims. Yeah, how much would he
have to fall flat on his face to not be
(12:29):
the starting right tackle week one against New England with
the way things stand right now and his primary competitor
basically saying like, yeah, I'm fine, I'll.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just join what want you know, I do it.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I think he could even fall on his face a
little bit on Saturday, But as long as the arrow
those mistakes don't get made the next game against Chicago
or in the joint practice or whatever, if you see
the improvement from that baseline, I think even falling on
(13:01):
his flight face, he still has a good chance of
winning this job because I just they're just so happy
with his attitude and his approach and how he has
been good at fixing the things that haven't gone right
that you're willing to do that versus you know, to me,
what is the bigger question mark on opening day right now?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
To you?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Trent Brown, who, yeah, he's played ten years, but he's
also sounds like a guy who's played ten years and
he's just like, Eh, I'll get out there and it'll
be fine.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Okay, I'll be fine. It'll be good.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Like no real enthusiasm or energy or feeling of like,
yeah it matters, versus this guy who, like all you
know from Amariusman's right now is man it matters to him,
like he wants to be really good. He has so
much energy and enthusiasm to get it right and be
a good teammate, and he's got confidence and humility, and
(13:58):
he's making mistakes because he's a rookie.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But what would you rather have to me?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I think the bigger question mark the way it stands
today is Trent Brown. Yeah, I need to see some
of Trent Brown, who's never taken a rep next to
Alex Kapa on his life, right. Mims has been doing
that through the off season. Granted, I mean we're talking
about no pads, but you're still the mental aspect of
knowing the system and stuff like that. And I know
(14:25):
that Brown's done it for ten years in the league,
but I just think the idea of him going out
there and just being able to pick up and it's
all good is a little off to me.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I mean, there's plenty of time for this to play out,
but I think Mems is certainly in the driver's seat
from my spot.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, that was the thing, Like I watched the Trent
Brown scrum yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, the first time we've really had a chance to
talk to him, and it was off putting.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And then I compare that to you know, your piece
on a Marius Mems and a lot of what we've
heard and read, which was and is. First of all,
we understand his upside is immense, That's why they took
him in the first round, right. But the willingness to learn,
the willingness to learn from mistakes, the willingness to kind
of be a sponge, the attitude and you compare contrast, like,
(15:21):
just on a human level, I want the guy who's like, Yep,
throw it at me, let's go willing, Yeah, willing.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And it doesn't mean Trent.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Brown's a bad guy or a bad player can't help
this team. But like I watched that yesterday and for
a team that's theme has been urgency and hitting the
ground running, And I got a guy who kind of
acts the way I.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Do at work.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Man, I don't know, yeah, and he's you know what,
And there's an excitement that that brings to others. I mean,
his teammates talk about him he's an offensive lineman like
that doesn't happen all the time. And it's not just
because he's huge, all though the things that they say
about him being you just are funny for people are
just like God, I mean, it's overwhelming, even in a
(16:05):
even on an athletic standpoint in the NFL level. But
his teammates talk about him and the energy and excitement
they get in watching him and seeing how much he
he cares. And there's just a respect level for that.
And I'm not saying that there isn't a respect level
for Trent Brown. I have no way of really knowing that, sure,
but I know how it's gone him down over there. Yeah,
(16:28):
I mean, And so you know, I think that Brown
certainly could go out there and probably be just fine.
But if you're picking and choosing and you're seeing one
thing versus the other, I think you'd have to say, man,
he's just making too many mental errors at this point
of that a veteran can pick up to comfortably put
(16:50):
him out there and they're not getting fixed. You'd have
to see three weeks of him getting fooled by stunts
and games and not passing stuff off or or whatever,
all that type of stuff of that continually giving him
problems for you to say, let's just put the vet
in there. At least we feel like we kind of
know he knows what he's seeing. He's gonna know what
(17:12):
he's seeing. But if it's even and he's not making
all those mistakes or repeating those mistakes. I think we
and I and I and boy, what a great position,
you know, having Trent Brown as a guy who's like
ten year vets off the bench, go get it at
left or right tackle. Look, that's a nice luxury, and
it's actually the ideal scenario. So I think I think
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with every day the percentages continue to tick more in
the direction of Mims for me being the starter week one.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Although Trent Brown now has a permanent nickname on this show,
it's Wet Blanket look man, so to try and I say, hey,
what Blanket's going to be starting at right tackle for
Marius Mims for whatever reason, Okay, just default back to
August fifth, when he blanketed everybody at his locker yesterday,
(18:02):
And I'll play the audio in the four o'clock hour
for those who missed it. But like, I watched that
when I got done yesterday, and I'm like, well, that's
the spirit, Trent.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
It sounds that sounds like a guy that's been in
the league for a decade on a bunch of different
teams and just kind of gone out there and he's
just kind of on his own clock. You know, I
do training camp the way I want to do training camp.
I know how to get myself ready. I'll be fine
when I go out there. Everybody that thinks that I
should be out there practicing or caring about it, and
(18:32):
I don't worry about it, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It'll be fine. It'll be fine. All right.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I have six other topics to discuss, all right, in
the next second.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Does that mean we do like a lightning round type
thing or we could if you want to do.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That, we could because we have an abbreviated amount of
time because we have to.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Tony Tony training Camp report.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I'm willing to do a lightning round with you. That's
what you'd like, Okay, we'll do that when we come back.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
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Speaker 4 (20:39):
Did you see the goal by Sophia Smith? I heard
our office react to it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
As it happened.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Unbelievadble, just sick, just awesome. I've seen the replay. Can
we get golden goal?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I despise the fact that after that then it goes
on for another fifteen a walk off, I mean, and
they were talking about how these they the way they
scheduled it, all these games, and then they're moving them
all around France where these athletes are really exhausted in
the one area. Can you cut them a brake where
they don't have to play an extra thirty minutes if
somebody scores a goal? Bo, But can we just the
(21:10):
goal is so much more exciting anyway?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Why are why are we not? Why is this not happening?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I don't know, come on, soccer, I don't know. I
do nothing but unbelievable goal. Do we know how McKinley
Jackson is. I don't have an official update on that.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
He just kind of he kind of went down a
little bit, popped up signal for the side, hobbled off.
He looked like he was hobbling. Okay, yeah, that means anything. Yeah,
and then but he didn't believe on a car. But
I don't have you know, we haven't been down there,
and I haven't. I haven't heard anything on that officially.
People see cart and fear of the worst. Yeah, but
I got the sense there's this wasn't like cam sample
(21:47):
card right, cam sample. He went down, an immediate call
for cart happened. Everybody knew this didn't look good, and
it turned out that it wasn't. Unfortunately for him, this
wasn't like that. This was more you know it did.
It didn't feel like it had that type of severity.
Now you never know, stuff like that can happen and
it's worse than you thought. But it did not look
(22:08):
severe like cam sample. You could kind of tell right away.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
The camp sample injury increased the likelihood that maybe they
find a veteran there.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I I they already felt like they maybe had one
too many there anyway, because when they drafted Cedric Johnson,
and I think they've kind of like what they've seen
them him says round pick, and so they're pretty fully
four edge guys that are that are dudes. I mean,
there are four guys that they want to find time
for though, Si and Murphy behind Heddrickson and Hubbard. So
you already were wondering whether they're what Sample's role was
(22:37):
even gonna be. You got Cedric Johnson, They've got all
these guys in the middle. They're trying to figure out
what they got. Sample was nice because he could do
a little bit of both potentially, but I think Osai
can do a little bit of both potentially too. So
I think they're okay. I don't think they need to
go veteran there. You know, we'll see how it plays
out in camp in the preseason games, but I think
(22:59):
they're probably an okay place where they don't need to
go veteran.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Still feel comfortable that Sam Hubbard and Trey Hendrickson are okay.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, I think Sam's you know, they're kind of looking
at it. Let's turn this into a positive. There's no
reason for them to be out there playing in these
preseason games anyway, you know, keep yourself rehabbing and getting
your conditioning going, and then when it's time to ramp
up for the season, ramp for the season, but use
it to get yourself fresh, use it to be fresher
on on week one, and get all the way through
the season. For two guys that are on the older
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half of the spectrum on this roster. So I think
that's kind of the way it's being viewed. But there's
no concern about them not being fully ready to go
when the Patriots come to down stay on defense.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
How behind is Dax Hill? I don't know, you know,
it fluctuates, man.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I think you know he was gonna be one that
you he was gonna be, uh you know, he was
gonna have to be like Noah Lyles, right, he was
gonna have to make the late charge to probably win
this thing. Yeah, and then tell the world how good
he is, and then tell everyone how good that might happen.
That might happen if he wins the job. For he
does I told you, right, But I do think that
that's because he it was going to take him longer
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to pick it up in general, just getting the reps
in and so we'll see what it looks like at
the end.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But I think you're.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Starting to see things turn for him a little bit
where he's having some more moments, having some more days,
having less moments that stick out of you know, getting
whether it's beat by Kendrick pryor a couple of times
or whatever. Maybe maybe you're starting to see him go
in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
How are things evolving with regards to the running back battle.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I think they feel like they have two starters and
they have been really happy with Chase Brown Zaglass, really happy,
and I think they feel like people will see that
not only whenever whatever they do in the preseason, but
as the season gets going. So I don't think anybody
views it as a problem or a battle, but it's
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going to be a share, Like I know, like fantasy
Dude is going to be enraged, but I think that's
what it is. They they see real value and real
skill with both of these guys, and there's different ways
slightly that they can be used, but they want to
use them both. I think they'll use them both in
a fairly similarly until somebody really changes everyone's mind. A
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month or two in like, that's very possible. But I
think entering the season they feel like they've got two
starters that deserve full workloads and they're going to give
them as much as they can. And I don't it
feels like a fifty to fifty type deal to me
right now.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And I know I asked you this last week. Still
feel like there's a decent chance they get a veteran there.
I still think that's in play.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
The back of that room is still in play, right,
Trevion is there, Chris Evans is there. I don't know
that there's a you know, any either of those two,
specifically Evans obviously that would preclude them from, if they
liked somebody that was available, making a move to put
into the back of that room and as a you know,
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as a fail safe.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So but you know, but as far as the top
of it goes, they feel good.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
If the Bengals had a game that counted tomorrow, who's the.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Punter, Brad Robins probably still yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I mean you got to you got to see the guys,
and they have been happy with the progress from Robbins
from last year. Darren has been and the other two
are new. I mean they're just I mean, who knows,
and so I just I can't tell you a thing
the same way Zach Taylor can't tell you a thing about.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
The punter battle. I don't know that any anybody can.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
There's a reason there's three of them and Kevin Hubert
was walking around and Joe Burrow was punting. I think
because I think everyone's like, if anybody wants this, Yeah,
if anybody has an idea of how the punting cannot
be an issue this year, feel free to do it,
because they're they're they're interested in anybody that can solve
the problem.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Harrison Butcker gets his deal with Kansas City. Is Evan
McPherson gonna get his anytime soon? I mean, this should
have already happened. I don't understand what's so hard about
Especiallyicker deals. They all look the same, right, Like they're
all in this same range. And I'm sure there's guaranteed
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money issues as there always is uh with this that
are slowing things down. But he's so valued you they
know what they have. He should be here.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
There's like seven Kicker deals that are almost identical that
you can just that you can just give to Evan.
It is not done yet. They're grinding it out. I
believe was the quote yesterday that he use. They're trying
to figure and if it happens, good, If it doesn't, whatever,
it should happen. If they don't, it's pretty embarrassing for
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the Bengals if they can't figure out a way.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
This is easy, like.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
This is the this is such a one, this is
such a layup. So but hope that they can find
a way to get that done. It seems like An
absolutely is he gonna do a hold in? Maybe no,
he doesn't see it's but he's just kind of like,
I mean, it's different when you're a kicker, although I
would say, you know, kicker year to year, if there's
any possession that right where you see guys just fall
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off out of nowhere, right, And I'm not saying it's
gonna happen to Evan, but it happens to kickers sometimes
where you'd want to get that deal, but I don't,
you know, it's just just give Evan the standard deal
and can we all move on with our lives.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
That would be great, Yes, that would be great. He
deserves it. Yeah, what has a guy gotta do?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Right, He's the second best player from the twenty twenty
one draft, the Bengals twenty twenty one raft.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Right, so let's go ahead and get that. Get that
thing done. Get that thing done.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
We did forty four minutes abbreviated segment. We did not
talk about Jamar Chase. Are you relieved? And I don't
have it on the docket.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
There's nothing, there's no new ground to cover, there is
no new ground to cove. I am really thank you,
You're really growing, You're welcome. That's just because you're gonna
use it in the five o'clock hour, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I'm gonna talk about Brandon Ayuk and the Niners doing
with him what the Bengals didn't do or aren't gonna
do with t Higgins.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Where would you rather have him? Land?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Not not Cleveland, Cleveland, Pittsburgh or New England, New England,
New England, even.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Though they play in Week one, Yeah, the opener, whatever,
I don't care. I think let's put ten.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Guys on the field against the Patriots in that game.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I don't want them go to Cleveland. Cleveland's a roster man. Yeah,
if they if Watson can get it figured out, which
is the ultimate question. It's there, we are where we
were a year ago. How many pieces do you need
around a guy? Because they have put one hell of
a roster around him, so I if they can, they're
dangerous and I you would.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Although if they give up Marie Cooper Ford, I don't
know if that's a wash or not right.
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can tonight. That's the sort of commitment that we make
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Speaker 4 (01:05):
I am jealous of Tony Pike. Why why got a
tent yesterday? He had a tent to do the broadcast
stay the lie they had the broadcast of sincey three
sixty going on over there, and those of us in
the media that have been sweating to just very uncomfortable
levels for a week or two now to walk in
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and see him just set up in the beautiful confines
of that blue tent, extreme jealousy. The tent wasn't for him.
The tent is for the equipment yet, but he got
to be under it. He gets to be under it.
I don't care. Why doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
The tent isn't for Prima Donna, Tony. The tent is
to keep the equipment from overheating. Because I go back
to my experience in Los Angeles. I had no tent.
I had really nothing, but I had equipment to broadcast from,
and my only concern was how do I keep this
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stuff with the sun beating down on it from overheating.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Is that why you wanted to be so close to
the icebox? Yes, yeah, because there's cooler.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Well yeah, Also, the ice box was plugged into something,
and so I needed to plug into something. But during
commercial breaks, I would put the equipment in the icebox
to cool it off.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I mean, I've I've never wanted to do the long
longest segment ever. Then what a great day. So so
I'm I'm down for whatever. If they ever need any
any time, I'm happy I or just to sit, I
can be I can help with audio, be a two
or key grip. Yeah, you know, any number of things
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that I would be happy to do to help the
production time.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Always get some tent to.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Long list of key grips that we employ here.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Paul Daanner Junior covers the Cincinnati Bengals for the Athletic
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Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, me and you. You turn that around very quickly.
I did.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I talked about the preseason game on Saturday night and
so much more.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot to discuss. I
thought it was another great discussion. It was, it was,
And so we're ramping up to Sunday. Bengals back out
of practicing tomorrow. They did make a change.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
The workout on Thursday is now gonna be inside the
stadium and not open to the public. They did add
and open to the public workout on August the nineteenth.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
We're gonna watch Joe Burrow on Saturday Night. How about that? Yeah,
you have to be so uncomfortable with this. I am, yeah,
I am.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I mean you had one ask, really and that was
just please no preseason for this man ever.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But I am. I'm a flexible person. I'm not rigid. Okay,
I change my mind. I can be swayed. I can
be convinced. Have you changed your mind? I haven't changed
my mind. I hope that next year Joe Burrow doesn't
play in the preseason. I understand why he's playing in
the in the preseason this go round. We talked about
(03:58):
this on your podcast and it was a longer discussion.
I am going to watch on Saturday Night with apprehension
and nervousness that I have not ever had for a
preseason game because the risk reward equation still is not
really in favor of him playing. But I'm also the
guy that's yelled and screamed about how bad they've played
in September.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So you got to change some things in August. So
they are, So let's do it.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
And you know, I'll give you a silver lining to
that personal cloud there for you, and that is he
feels good enough, the team feels more than comfortable enough
with where he's at physically, with the risks, which the
way he's playing, with where he's just at generally to say, yeah,
this is totally fine, like this is there's no reason
we can't do this. We should be able to do this.
(04:41):
If everybody here is in agreement, so go ahead. That's
a good thing. I mean, if I would have told
you that back in March, right, you just said, I'll
take it. Yeah, put him in the preseason if that
means everybody feels comfortable enough with where he's at. And
I think that's kind of the silver lines he's in.
It's such a comfortable place that everybody feels good about.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Him going out there and going through this whole routine
and playing.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The second game of the season. Each of the last
couple of years has been clunky. Really the second game
of the year the last three years has been clunky
because you go back to twenty twenty one, they played
the Bears, I think we two and it was awful. Yeah,
well they're gonna play there arguably their toughest ever Week
(05:27):
two opponent on the road. Now, they did play Baltimore
last year, who ended up being really really good. The
Bengals made that game close, but they were terrible offensively
in the first time. I want to beat two and Oh.
I want to beat the Kansas City Chiefs week two.
I want to put them in a maybe an zero
to two hole, depend depending on what happens against Baltimore.
I want to be four and oh at the Ravens
coming here. I can't do that if I'm not two
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and Oh. I want to win those games. I want
to play from ahead. I want to make this great
division all. I want to make all the other teams
chase Cincinnati. I want to make Kansas City have to
chase I want to make them play all year long
Arm with the knowledge that in order to get the
higher seed than the Bengals, they've gotta they can't tie him.
So I woult to win that second game. Yeah, I'm
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putting a premium on winning Game two. That game really matters.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So let's go. Let's do what you got to do
in August and go win game two.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I don't know playing a series in the preseason is
going to change the way to the level that they
play in Game two. I just I just have never
bought the fact that playing in the preseason has had
to do with these slow starts. I understand why Joe
wants to do it, and I will look at Game
one for that. I think it's about the first quarter
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or half of Game one really just coming in and
finding that comfort that It's just always been more about
his health, like I just I've just that's what it's been.
I think for the most part has been about the
health of Joe Burrow, not getting all the reps he's
getting right now in practice and in the joint practices
(07:00):
that they're about to have, and whatever he's gonna do
in the preseason game is fine if that's part of
his process what he wants to be part of his
process of going through game day and the off the
field and going into the huddle and just having a
team that goes through that one time with him. That's
like that stuff part is so secondary to me. Then
everything we've been watching out there for the last ten
(07:22):
practices and we'll be watching for the next couple of weeks,
and just.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, Joe danaman Chane nineteen.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Had had a great look that he caught of Burrow
with Andrey Jossi Vash just talking through a play and
then talking to Andre about it afterwards what they're doing,
and Andre was saying, Oh, he's showing me how on
this one to kind of go up a little that
way and then I'll throw it that way. Then he
runs through it, and it's something that we saw him
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catch for a touchdown and an eleven on eleven earlier
in practice sessions, and like he's got none of that
in recent years, like that type of stuff to have
develop younger players connections other than Jamar Chase and t Higgins,
and he's had the luxury of the three guys that
that he had. But it's it's so much about sharpening
the sword that way for him more than it is, oh,
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this this one drive. I just think that's just a
mental part of feeling prepared for Week one is just
going through that. The actual playing better in week one
and two is about everything that's happening out there right now.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, how much do we expect him to play Saturday?
A drive? A drive regardless of how the drive goes.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I think, so, what if the drive is one seventy
five yard touchdown pass?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Woo, that's cool? Yeah, right, yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
What if the drive is two handoffs and a drop
pass and it's.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
A three and out. We've seen that before, we have Yeah, no,
I mean probably right. Maybe they maybe they decide to
go back out the vers second one just because they're
so unhappy with how it went, or they have six
or seven plays scripted, or something like that. I I
don't know specifically, but every single time I have heard
it mentioned, the word drive has been used singularly. Now,
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I'm sure there's circumstances that it might change, but I
think for the most part, the idea is go out
there and do a drive and then go sit down.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
First and ten. He drops back to throw and it's
a pick six. He coming back out for another one.
Throw it again, throw it again. Revenge on the mind. Yes,
keep going. That's it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
That's when you all of a sudden, Jamar comes off
the bench with a helmet and just runs a dough
ball so they can.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Okay, i'd me that'd be all right. Uh? Is he
going to play in all the preseason games? Burrow? Yeah no, No,
I think this is it. This is it, one and done.
I think this is probably it. Okay, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm just I'm trying to figure out what my level
of anxiety I think this should be your highest level
of anxiety should be just for this first drive, and
then I think you'll be What I'm considering doing is
just turning it on right around eight o'clock on Saturday
and just sort of looking at you guys on Twitter
to Okay, they're not tweeting about season's over, and then Okay,
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it happened. He was out there, and now I can
enjoy the rest of the preseason and watch Jake Browning
and Logan Woodside at all.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
It's sort of the theory of leaving a Reds game
in the eighth inning when they're up by one. It's like, look,
if they win, good, they should have won, and I'll
hear about it on the way home. And if they lose,
I didn't want to see that anyway, Right, you just
don't watch, Just just rely on this isn't something you're
gonna want to see unless you can go back and
rewatch it without the anxiety.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So just just take it that way.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'll watch it Sunday or Monday or
something just so I could, you know, talk about it
and stuff. But like experiencing that in real time fun.
It isn't going to be necessarily enjoyable. Yeah, I'll make
sure I can just text you directly. Burrows on the ground.
He's holding something like you want me? Do you want
to get it from me?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
No? No, No, I don't. How would you like that
news delivered?
Speaker 5 (10:54):
It?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Not it would ever happen, of course, just Joe, I have.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
A feeling if it would be something like that, there'd
be no shortage of folks that would. I don't think
you have anything to worry about, Okay, A Marius Mims
is the story of Camp and I want to talk
about him when we come back.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
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Speaker 1 (11:20):
This is more exciting than the preseason game itself. I think.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
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They're doing all kinds of drinking, food specials, and we're
doing giveaways.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's going to be a big old party down there.
Three to four.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
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Five because Tony's gonna take it from there. Tony's gonna
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ESPN fifteen thirty. That game starts at seven pm. You
wrote about a Marius Mims. Yeah, how much would he
have to fall flat on his face to not be
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the starting right tackle week one against New England with
the way things stand right now and his primary competitor
basically saying like, yeah, I'm fine, I'll.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just join what want you know, I do it.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I think he could even fall on his face a
little bit on Saturday, But as long as the arrow
those mistakes don't get made the next game against Chicago
or in the joint practice or whatever, if you see
the improvement from that baseline, I think even falling on
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his flight face, he still has a good chance of
winning this job because I just they're just so happy
with his attitude and his approach and how he has
been good at fixing the things that haven't gone right
that you're willing to do that versus you know, to me,
what is the bigger question mark on opening day right now?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
To you?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Trent Brown, who, yeah, he's played ten years, but he's
also sounds like a guy who's played ten years and
he's just like, Eh, I'll get out there and it'll
be fine.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Okay, I'll be fine. It'll be good.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Like no real enthusiasm or energy or feeling of like,
yeah it matters, versus this guy who, like all you
know from Amariusman's right now is man it matters to him,
like he wants to be really good. He has so
much energy and enthusiasm to get it right and be
a good teammate, and he's got confidence and humility, and
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he's making mistakes because he's a rookie.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
But what would you rather have to me?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I think the bigger question mark the way it stands
today is Trent Brown. Yeah, I need to see some
of Trent Brown, who's never taken a rep next to
Alex Kapa on his life, right. Mims has been doing
that through the off season. Granted, I mean we're talking
about no pads, but you're still the mental aspect of
knowing the system and stuff like that. And I know
(14:25):
that Brown's done it for ten years in the league,
but I just think the idea of him going out
there and just being able to pick up and it's
all good is a little off to me.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I mean, there's plenty of time for this to play out,
but I think Mems is certainly in the driver's seat
from my spot.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, that was the thing, Like I watched the Trent
Brown scrum yesterday.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, the first time we've really had a chance to
talk to him, and it was off putting.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And then I compare that to you know, your piece
on a Marius Mems and a lot of what we've
heard and read, which was and is. First of all,
we understand his upside is immense, That's why they took
him in the first round, right. But the willingness to learn,
the willingness to learn from mistakes, the willingness to kind
of be a sponge, the attitude and you compare contrast, like,
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just on a human level, I want the guy who's like, Yep,
throw it at me, let's go willing, Yeah, willing.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And it doesn't mean Trent.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Brown's a bad guy or a bad player can't help
this team. But like I watched that yesterday and for
a team that's theme has been urgency and hitting the
ground running, And I got a guy who kind of
acts the way I.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Do at work.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Man, I don't know, yeah, and he's you know what,
And there's an excitement that that brings to others. I mean,
his teammates talk about him he's an offensive lineman like
that doesn't happen all the time. And it's not just
because he's huge, all though the things that they say
about him being you just are funny for people are
just like God, I mean, it's overwhelming, even in a
(16:05):
even on an athletic standpoint in the NFL level. But
his teammates talk about him and the energy and excitement
they get in watching him and seeing how much he
he cares. And there's just a respect level for that.
And I'm not saying that there isn't a respect level
for Trent Brown. I have no way of really knowing that, sure,
but I know how it's gone him down over there. Yeah,
(16:28):
I mean, And so you know, I think that Brown
certainly could go out there and probably be just fine.
But if you're picking and choosing and you're seeing one
thing versus the other, I think you'd have to say, man,
he's just making too many mental errors at this point
of that a veteran can pick up to comfortably put
(16:50):
him out there and they're not getting fixed. You'd have
to see three weeks of him getting fooled by stunts
and games and not passing stuff off or or whatever,
all that type of stuff of that continually giving him
problems for you to say, let's just put the vet
in there. At least we feel like we kind of
know he knows what he's seeing. He's gonna know what
(17:12):
he's seeing. But if it's even and he's not making
all those mistakes or repeating those mistakes. I think we
and I and I and boy, what a great position,
you know, having Trent Brown as a guy who's like
ten year vets off the bench, go get it at
left or right tackle. Look, that's a nice luxury, and
it's actually the ideal scenario. So I think I think
(17:35):
with every day the percentages continue to tick more in
the direction of Mims for me being the starter week one.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Although Trent Brown now has a permanent nickname on this show,
it's Wet Blanket look man, so to try and I say, hey,
what Blanket's going to be starting at right tackle for
Marius Mims for whatever reason, Okay, just default back to
August fifth, when he blanketed everybody at his locker yesterday,
(18:02):
And I'll play the audio in the four o'clock hour
for those who missed it. But like, I watched that
when I got done yesterday, and I'm like, well, that's
the spirit, Trent.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
It sounds that sounds like a guy that's been in
the league for a decade on a bunch of different
teams and just kind of gone out there and he's
just kind of on his own clock. You know, I
do training camp the way I want to do training camp.
I know how to get myself ready. I'll be fine
when I go out there. Everybody that thinks that I
should be out there practicing or caring about it, and
(18:32):
I don't worry about it, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
It'll be fine. It'll be fine. All right.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I have six other topics to discuss, all right, in
the next second.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Does that mean we do like a lightning round type
thing or we could if you want to do.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That, we could because we have an abbreviated amount of
time because we have to.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Tony Tony training Camp report.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I'm willing to do a lightning round with you. That's
what you'd like, Okay, we'll do that when we come back.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
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Speaker 4 (20:39):
Did you see the goal by Sophia Smith? I heard
our office react to it.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
As it happened.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Unbelievadble, just sick, just awesome. I've seen the replay. Can
we get golden goal?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I despise the fact that after that then it goes
on for another fifteen a walk off, I mean, and
they were talking about how these they the way they
scheduled it, all these games, and then they're moving them
all around France where these athletes are really exhausted in
the one area. Can you cut them a brake where
they don't have to play an extra thirty minutes if
somebody scores a goal? Bo, But can we just the
(21:10):
goal is so much more exciting anyway?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Why are why are we not? Why is this not happening?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I don't know, come on, soccer, I don't know. I
do nothing but unbelievable goal. Do we know how McKinley
Jackson is. I don't have an official update on that.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
He just kind of he kind of went down a
little bit, popped up signal for the side, hobbled off.
He looked like he was hobbling. Okay, yeah, that means anything. Yeah,
and then but he didn't believe on a car. But
I don't have you know, we haven't been down there,
and I haven't. I haven't heard anything on that officially.
People see cart and fear of the worst. Yeah, but
I got the sense there's this wasn't like cam sample
(21:47):
card right, cam sample. He went down, an immediate call
for cart happened. Everybody knew this didn't look good, and
it turned out that it wasn't. Unfortunately for him, this
wasn't like that. This was more you know it did.
It didn't feel like it had that type of severity.
Now you never know, stuff like that can happen and
it's worse than you thought. But it did not look
(22:08):
severe like cam sample. You could kind of tell right away.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
The camp sample injury increased the likelihood that maybe they
find a veteran there.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I I they already felt like they maybe had one
too many there anyway, because when they drafted Cedric Johnson,
and I think they've kind of like what they've seen
them him says round pick, and so they're pretty fully
four edge guys that are that are dudes. I mean,
there are four guys that they want to find time
for though, Si and Murphy behind Heddrickson and Hubbard. So
you already were wondering whether they're what Sample's role was
(22:37):
even gonna be. You got Cedric Johnson, They've got all
these guys in the middle. They're trying to figure out
what they got. Sample was nice because he could do
a little bit of both potentially, but I think Osai
can do a little bit of both potentially too. So
I think they're okay. I don't think they need to
go veteran there. You know, we'll see how it plays
out in camp in the preseason games, but I think
(22:59):
they're probably an okay place where they don't need to
go veteran.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Still feel comfortable that Sam Hubbard and Trey Hendrickson are okay.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Yeah, I think Sam's you know, they're kind of looking
at it. Let's turn this into a positive. There's no
reason for them to be out there playing in these
preseason games anyway, you know, keep yourself rehabbing and getting
your conditioning going, and then when it's time to ramp
up for the season, ramp for the season, but use
it to get yourself fresh, use it to be fresher
on on week one, and get all the way through
the season. For two guys that are on the older
(23:27):
half of the spectrum on this roster. So I think
that's kind of the way it's being viewed. But there's
no concern about them not being fully ready to go
when the Patriots come to down stay on defense.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
How behind is Dax Hill? I don't know, you know,
it fluctuates, man.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I think you know he was gonna be one that
you he was gonna be, uh you know, he was
gonna have to be like Noah Lyles, right, he was
gonna have to make the late charge to probably win
this thing. Yeah, and then tell the world how good
he is, and then tell everyone how good that might happen.
That might happen if he wins the job. For he
does I told you, right, But I do think that
that's because he it was going to take him longer
(24:06):
to pick it up in general, just getting the reps
in and so we'll see what it looks like at
the end.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But I think you're.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Starting to see things turn for him a little bit
where he's having some more moments, having some more days,
having less moments that stick out of you know, getting
whether it's beat by Kendrick pryor a couple of times
or whatever. Maybe maybe you're starting to see him go
in the right direction.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
How are things evolving with regards to the running back battle.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I think they feel like they have two starters and
they have been really happy with Chase Brown Zaglass, really happy,
and I think they feel like people will see that
not only whenever whatever they do in the preseason, but
as the season gets going. So I don't think anybody
views it as a problem or a battle, but it's
(24:56):
going to be a share, Like I know, like fantasy
Dude is going to be enraged, but I think that's
what it is. They they see real value and real
skill with both of these guys, and there's different ways
slightly that they can be used, but they want to
use them both. I think they'll use them both in
a fairly similarly until somebody really changes everyone's mind. A
(25:19):
month or two in like, that's very possible. But I
think entering the season they feel like they've got two
starters that deserve full workloads and they're going to give
them as much as they can. And I don't it
feels like a fifty to fifty type deal to me
right now.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
And I know I asked you this last week. Still
feel like there's a decent chance they get a veteran there.
I still think that's in play.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
The back of that room is still in play, right,
Trevion is there, Chris Evans is there. I don't know
that there's a you know, any either of those two,
specifically Evans obviously that would preclude them from, if they
liked somebody that was available, making a move to put
into the back of that room and as a you know,
(26:00):
as a fail safe.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So but you know, but as far as the top
of it goes, they feel good.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
If the Bengals had a game that counted tomorrow, who's the.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Punter, Brad Robins probably still yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I mean you got to you got to see the guys,
and they have been happy with the progress from Robbins
from last year. Darren has been and the other two
are new. I mean they're just I mean, who knows,
and so I just I can't tell you a thing
the same way Zach Taylor can't tell you a thing about.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
The punter battle. I don't know that any anybody can.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
There's a reason there's three of them and Kevin Hubert
was walking around and Joe Burrow was punting. I think
because I think everyone's like, if anybody wants this, Yeah,
if anybody has an idea of how the punting cannot
be an issue this year, feel free to do it,
because they're they're they're interested in anybody that can solve
the problem.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Harrison Butcker gets his deal with Kansas City. Is Evan
McPherson gonna get his anytime soon? I mean, this should
have already happened. I don't understand what's so hard about
Especiallyicker deals. They all look the same, right, Like they're
all in this same range. And I'm sure there's guaranteed
(27:07):
money issues as there always is uh with this that
are slowing things down. But he's so valued you they
know what they have. He should be here.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
There's like seven Kicker deals that are almost identical that
you can just that you can just give to Evan.
It is not done yet. They're grinding it out. I
believe was the quote yesterday that he use. They're trying
to figure and if it happens, good, If it doesn't, whatever,
it should happen. If they don't, it's pretty embarrassing for
(27:40):
the Bengals if they can't figure out a way.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
This is easy, like.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
This is the this is such a one, this is
such a layup. So but hope that they can find
a way to get that done. It seems like An
absolutely is he gonna do a hold in? Maybe no,
he doesn't see it's but he's just kind of like,
I mean, it's different when you're a kicker, although I
would say, you know, kicker year to year, if there's
any possession that right where you see guys just fall
(28:04):
off out of nowhere, right, And I'm not saying it's
gonna happen to Evan, but it happens to kickers sometimes
where you'd want to get that deal, but I don't,
you know, it's just just give Evan the standard deal
and can we all move on with our lives.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
That would be great, Yes, that would be great. He
deserves it. Yeah, what has a guy gotta do?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Right, He's the second best player from the twenty twenty
one draft, the Bengals twenty twenty one raft.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Right, so let's go ahead and get that. Get that
thing done. Get that thing done.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
We did forty four minutes abbreviated segment. We did not
talk about Jamar Chase. Are you relieved? And I don't
have it on the docket.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
There's nothing, there's no new ground to cover, there is
no new ground to cove. I am really thank you,
You're really growing, You're welcome. That's just because you're gonna
use it in the five o'clock hour, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I'm gonna talk about Brandon Ayuk and the Niners doing
with him what the Bengals didn't do or aren't gonna
do with t Higgins.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Where would you rather have him? Land?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Not not Cleveland, Cleveland, Pittsburgh or New England, New England,
New England, even.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Though they play in Week one, Yeah, the opener, whatever,
I don't care. I think let's put ten.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Guys on the field against the Patriots in that game.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I don't want them go to Cleveland. Cleveland's a roster man. Yeah,
if they if Watson can get it figured out, which
is the ultimate question. It's there, we are where we
were a year ago. How many pieces do you need
around a guy? Because they have put one hell of
a roster around him, so I if they can, they're
dangerous and I you would.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Although if they give up Marie Cooper Ford, I don't
know if that's a wash or not right.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, latest podcast, Balds Don't Lie, part of the Growler
podcast is up where you get your podcasts and you've
got daily training Camp podcast with Jay Morrison.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Up on the YouTube channel to make sure you subscribe.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
There live podcast at MGM three to four before the game,
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Speaker 1 (29:51):
It's all up there, go check it out. Tony Pike
joins me next.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
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