March 20, 2025 • 10 mins
Mo talks with NKU Legend Shannon Minor about a myriad of College Basketball topics, on ESPN 1530!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ten minutes from eleven o'clock. This is not Clinton, friends,
this is the annual fifteen thirty NCAA Tournament Spectacular. We
are broadcasting from the Holy Grail. We want to thank
our friends at Riverbend Music Center for hooking us up
with tickets. We've got tickets to go see Dave Matthews
June thirteenth. You can win them if you get here.
(00:22):
We'll give them away before twelve o'clock. You could also
get tickets go to Riverbend dot Org. Richard Skinner and
Dan Horde coming up in the next hour. An annual tradition.
How many years have you been doing this with me?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
The NKU Hall of Famer. Usually we're talking about the
Norse and we're not talking about him in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This year we could still talk about NKU.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean they had a down year.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
They played really well at the end of the regular season.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I mean that's when you want to play your best basketball.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, they had you know me, they had a guard,
a point guard to play good towards the end of
the year, and that was the key. I mean, your
point guard play is definitely the key to your quarterback,
your pitcher of the team, and they definitely played better.
You know, It's just it's hard. I mean, it's extremely hard.
It's a marathon of a season. You can't play good
the whole time, but at the end of the year
(01:13):
you need to play your best. And they didn't get
that game where they host. They had to go on
the road, and I think that the difference. Yeah, it
made a big difference because they did beat Cleveland State
one time at home, but they lost to them both
times on the road.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And you know, they lose some good players and it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I am all in on NIL and the transfer portal.
Like I like this era, but I don't know that
I would like it if I were Darren Horne, and
I understand that, like I I think at that level
where the coach of a program that has been very,
very good at every college coach's job is different. I'm
(01:50):
not going to say more difficult, but it's different. I
do think it's difficult. At the Horizon League.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Level, well, I think they they kind of get the
bad end of it because those guys hear things and
see things and have friends that have signed those deals,
those n I L deals, and they get I think
I think.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Mick Cronin said it best. Delusional.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, some of these guys are delusional. They're gonna
leave in Ku because they think it's greener somewhere else.
They're gonna get their money and then not play, or
they're gonna be the second or third option and they
might get to play if there are injuries and that.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So I think the mid majors get hit the worst.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I've always been an underdog my whole life, So I
don't like the n I l it always happened.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Let's let's get it. You know, it was just in
brown bags.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
How much you get?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I didn't get any.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I got a scholarship, got a scholarship, and we got
to eat it at Perkins and restaurants for free.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I mean it was good back then.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I gotta be honest with you. I'm not sure you're
selling me.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It was free.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
We got Frishes, big boys, we get think you get
a stack of Panka.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Coach Shields was the best. Coach Shields. Loved to eat
and we ate at the best places.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah. You uh. At the high school level, do you
find that players are equally delusional.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yes, And it even happens at the high school level.
In terms of guys moving, transferring, going places.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
It's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know, It's come down from the NBA to the college,
from the college to the high school, and it gets
it'll start getting into the middle school. I mean you
can even look online, this is the best third grader
in the nation.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Diculous.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
They're starting to rank people as they're starting to get
into elementary school. Well, when you put an emphasis on
athletics and not the other part, the academic part, which
is what they really need to start doing. Like I
even think about it, Like when my kids were growing up,
we hardly went to academic camps or we went to
the library and did those things, but they were always
going to sports camps. If that doesn't work out, you
(03:54):
got to have something to fall back on.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, you know. To me, and again, I'm all for
everybody getting I want everybody to get paid as much
as they can. But I would caution anybody at looking
either to where to go to college or where to
go to college next, I would caution anybody again solely
focusing on what you can get financially. That obviously should
(04:18):
be a big part of it. I don't think it
should be the only part of it. I don't think
it should be the only part of any equation in life,
whether you're looking for a job, thinking about keeping the
job you have, bouncing somewhere else again. I want everybody
to make as much money as possible. I'm as free
marketed guy as you'll meet. But I can understand from
a coach's perspective, when you have a certain amount of
(04:39):
things you want to sell, you have a certain amount
of things you want to impress upon a kid, and
the only thing they want to know is how much
can I get. That's it's frustrating for the coach, and
I think it's extraordinarily my opic from the standpoint of
the player. My opics of kind of a big word.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I was just going to say, you need to break
that down now, I'm not. I'm a gym teacher, so
I can't. Well, here's the thing though, Like I like
watching the mid major teams. I'm not saying these guys
today aren't getting paid, but like, for the forty minutes
that they're playing the game, it's.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So relaxing just to watch basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I hate all the extra stuff, like what happened to
the team concept? What happened for you playing for me,
and me playing for you, and us coming together as
you know, five people forming a fist and being out
there playing. I think that happens during the game. I
don't think they're looking and going, hey, you make more
than me. That might happen in the locker room, in
the dorms or wherever.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
But whatever happened to just playing for one another for
one common goal.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I had a conversation with a college basketball coach about
this last summer, and I said, like, you know, I
watch games and I see togetherness, and I see guys
rooting for each other and picking each other up. And
what I was told was yes, but off the floor,
they don't spend a lot of time with each other.
Now I've got money, there you go, I'll go do
their own thing, right, And so maybe that doesn't impact
(05:56):
the encourt product. I think in many cases it does.
It does undercut what the experience is supposed to be.
I think that's Fairma.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Sorry, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And like the other day, just little things as I
get older annoy me, like Cooper Cooper flag wearing his
big goal chain.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I like that. See I don't. I like that, Okay,
But like I should worry during the game, Like I
like that because he's a big.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Guy guy like me. I'd fall forward.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But I mean, it was just it's just it's too much,
Like can't you just it's about him? And I like
him as a player now, the best player in the nation,
the best I don't care about all, Like, look, I'm
a big Bruce Barrow guy in Auburn.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Cooper the best player. But you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You don't have to.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
There's a time and play. You go out after the game.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's like the first thing they want to do is
put their ear rings in after the game, put their
blank on, Like, now, who's it about?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's about them, like the bling and I hope you're
a blain guy. Though I'm not. I can't get get
away with that, but I do like that. I was
talking with Rick Boring about somebody who you're a big
fan of, so Xavier is gonna play Illinois. Oh yeah,
Brad Underwood's the coach. You're a big bread underwod guy.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Love brad on Why well. The offense that he used
to run was an offense that we ran in high school.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's called a spread offense, and there's different variations of
it and In fact, I would go up to his practices,
sit there, and his staff would take time out to
like explain things and that Illinois, Yeah, I mean that's
a you know, round strip that's almost eight hour drive
there and back, and we would do it in my
staff and I would go and watch it. Because what
happens is when you have a lot of guards, you
can spread it out. If you can have a big
(07:28):
guy or a guy in the at the at the
now with the free throw line, they can catch the ball,
rip it because he's setting all the screens.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
In the past, he's changed his offense a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But when I would go to Vegas and watch games,
or I would go to Illinois and watch bred Underwood
always took time for a high school coach to explain
his offense. He was so excited about that offense and
he used it when he was at Austin be or
Steven f I'm sorry Stephen Austin. So like when he
got bigger in big time, he didn't. He didn't big
time people.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's going to be a hell of a coaching matchup
to Shawn Miller's terrific.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It's be great who's really good as well? He could
be great.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Give me thirty seconds on Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Pat Kelsey local guy, a lot of energy, a lot
of extra stuff behind the scenes he does to try
to motivate his players.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Pat Kelsey having instant success at Louisville is not surprising
doing it with a lot of guys who played at Charleston.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Here.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Here's the thing with Pat does you don't see him
during the games getting really wild and crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I think he coaches his guys during practice.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, and then he makes those changes, those small, no
point intended, minor changes during the game.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah. He is a high energy guy. If you're around him,
and you've been around him.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I played basketball with him growing up.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
But if you watch him for those two hours during
the game, he's a little bit more buttoned up than
you would expect if you have spent time with him.
But just an awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Coach man, very calm on the sideline, hypes up the
student body. I buy my cars from Kelsey Chevrolet plug
right there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
You know, how about that? Very good? That's very good,
Very well done.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, all right, is there anything else you want to
touch on?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Nothing at all? All right, nothing at all. I mean,
you hit on all of it. Let's go a mid
majors today.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Robert Morris from the Horizon League. Do you give him
a chance against Alabama?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I don't, Okay, I don't, but I like the two
one the two that I like, I like, I like Creighton,
and I like I've.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Got a mid major.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, no, but I'm saying for an up Louisville eight nine. Yeah, okay,
And the other one I'm gonna go Utah State.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I like Utah State. In that game against UCLA, Mick
Cronin as big a fan of I as I am
of him. I don't know what his team does necessarily well,
and it has felt all year long like he can't
wait for the season to be over. We'll see if
that happens.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'll watch UCLA play last Friday, and I'm not I
mean I just destroyed.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Wisconsin did make some threes, by the.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Way, down a nineteen of them. Yeah, all right, we
gotta go.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
All right, Well, thanks thanks for having me always. This
is awesome, the shortest segment ever.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I love it. Oh it's not ten minutes, It's all right.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That's all I need is coming up on eleven o'clock.
We're at the Holy Grail NCAA tournament preview show on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Wise Cincinnati, make us the number one pre set on
your car radio and on the free new and improved
I Heard Radio app Free never sounded so good, ESPN
fifteen third
Ten minutes from eleven o'clock. This is not Clinton, friends,
this is the annual fifteen thirty NCAA Tournament Spectacular. We
are broadcasting from the Holy Grail. We want to thank
our friends at Riverbend Music Center for hooking us up
with tickets. We've got tickets to go see Dave Matthews
June thirteenth. You can win them if you get here.
(00:22):
We'll give them away before twelve o'clock. You could also
get tickets go to Riverbend dot Org. Richard Skinner and
Dan Horde coming up in the next hour. An annual tradition.
How many years have you been doing this with me?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
The NKU Hall of Famer. Usually we're talking about the
Norse and we're not talking about him in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
This year we could still talk about NKU.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What happened?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean they had a down year.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
They played really well at the end of the regular season.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I mean that's when you want to play your best basketball.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, they had you know me, they had a guard,
a point guard to play good towards the end of
the year, and that was the key. I mean, your
point guard play is definitely the key to your quarterback,
your pitcher of the team, and they definitely played better.
You know, It's just it's hard. I mean, it's extremely hard.
It's a marathon of a season. You can't play good
the whole time, but at the end of the year
(01:13):
you need to play your best. And they didn't get
that game where they host. They had to go on
the road, and I think that the difference. Yeah, it
made a big difference because they did beat Cleveland State
one time at home, but they lost to them both
times on the road.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
And you know, they lose some good players and it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I am all in on NIL and the transfer portal.
Like I like this era, but I don't know that
I would like it if I were Darren Horne, and
I understand that, like I I think at that level
where the coach of a program that has been very,
very good at every college coach's job is different. I'm
(01:50):
not going to say more difficult, but it's different. I
do think it's difficult. At the Horizon League.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Level, well, I think they they kind of get the
bad end of it because those guys hear things and
see things and have friends that have signed those deals,
those n I L deals, and they get I think
I think.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Mick Cronin said it best. Delusional.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, some of these guys are delusional. They're gonna
leave in Ku because they think it's greener somewhere else.
They're gonna get their money and then not play, or
they're gonna be the second or third option and they
might get to play if there are injuries and that.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So I think the mid majors get hit the worst.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I've always been an underdog my whole life, So I
don't like the n I l it always happened.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Let's let's get it. You know, it was just in
brown bags.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
How much you get?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I didn't get any.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I got a scholarship, got a scholarship, and we got
to eat it at Perkins and restaurants for free.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I mean it was good back then.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I gotta be honest with you. I'm not sure you're
selling me.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It was free.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
We got Frishes, big boys, we get think you get
a stack of Panka.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Coach Shields was the best. Coach Shields. Loved to eat
and we ate at the best places.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah. You uh. At the high school level, do you
find that players are equally delusional.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yes, And it even happens at the high school level.
In terms of guys moving, transferring, going places.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
It's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know, It's come down from the NBA to the college,
from the college to the high school, and it gets
it'll start getting into the middle school. I mean you
can even look online, this is the best third grader
in the nation.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Diculous.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
They're starting to rank people as they're starting to get
into elementary school. Well, when you put an emphasis on
athletics and not the other part, the academic part, which
is what they really need to start doing. Like I
even think about it, Like when my kids were growing up,
we hardly went to academic camps or we went to
the library and did those things, but they were always
going to sports camps. If that doesn't work out, you
(03:54):
got to have something to fall back on.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yeah, you know. To me, and again, I'm all for
everybody getting I want everybody to get paid as much
as they can. But I would caution anybody at looking
either to where to go to college or where to
go to college next, I would caution anybody again solely
focusing on what you can get financially. That obviously should
(04:18):
be a big part of it. I don't think it
should be the only part of it. I don't think
it should be the only part of any equation in life,
whether you're looking for a job, thinking about keeping the
job you have, bouncing somewhere else again. I want everybody
to make as much money as possible. I'm as free
marketed guy as you'll meet. But I can understand from
a coach's perspective, when you have a certain amount of
(04:39):
things you want to sell, you have a certain amount
of things you want to impress upon a kid, and
the only thing they want to know is how much
can I get. That's it's frustrating for the coach, and
I think it's extraordinarily my opic from the standpoint of
the player. My opics of kind of a big word.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I was just going to say, you need to break
that down now, I'm not. I'm a gym teacher, so
I can't. Well, here's the thing though, Like I like
watching the mid major teams. I'm not saying these guys
today aren't getting paid, but like, for the forty minutes
that they're playing the game, it's.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So relaxing just to watch basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I hate all the extra stuff, like what happened to
the team concept? What happened for you playing for me,
and me playing for you, and us coming together as
you know, five people forming a fist and being out
there playing. I think that happens during the game. I
don't think they're looking and going, hey, you make more
than me. That might happen in the locker room, in
the dorms or wherever.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
But whatever happened to just playing for one another for
one common goal.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I had a conversation with a college basketball coach about
this last summer, and I said, like, you know, I
watch games and I see togetherness, and I see guys
rooting for each other and picking each other up. And
what I was told was yes, but off the floor,
they don't spend a lot of time with each other.
Now I've got money, there you go, I'll go do
their own thing, right, And so maybe that doesn't impact
(05:56):
the encourt product. I think in many cases it does.
It does undercut what the experience is supposed to be.
I think that's Fairma.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Sorry, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
And like the other day, just little things as I
get older annoy me, like Cooper Cooper flag wearing his
big goal chain.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I like that. See I don't. I like that, Okay,
But like I should worry during the game, Like I
like that because he's a big.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Guy guy like me. I'd fall forward.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But I mean, it was just it's just it's too much,
Like can't you just it's about him? And I like
him as a player now, the best player in the nation,
the best I don't care about all, Like, look, I'm
a big Bruce Barrow guy in Auburn.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Cooper the best player. But you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
You don't have to.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
There's a time and play. You go out after the game.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's like the first thing they want to do is
put their ear rings in after the game, put their
blank on, Like, now, who's it about?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's about them, like the bling and I hope you're
a blain guy. Though I'm not. I can't get get
away with that, but I do like that. I was
talking with Rick Boring about somebody who you're a big
fan of, so Xavier is gonna play Illinois. Oh yeah,
Brad Underwood's the coach. You're a big bread underwod guy.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Love brad on Why well. The offense that he used
to run was an offense that we ran in high school.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's called a spread offense, and there's different variations of
it and In fact, I would go up to his practices,
sit there, and his staff would take time out to
like explain things and that Illinois, Yeah, I mean that's
a you know, round strip that's almost eight hour drive
there and back, and we would do it in my
staff and I would go and watch it. Because what
happens is when you have a lot of guards, you
can spread it out. If you can have a big
(07:28):
guy or a guy in the at the at the
now with the free throw line, they can catch the ball,
rip it because he's setting all the screens.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
In the past, he's changed his offense a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But when I would go to Vegas and watch games,
or I would go to Illinois and watch bred Underwood
always took time for a high school coach to explain
his offense. He was so excited about that offense and
he used it when he was at Austin be or
Steven f I'm sorry Stephen Austin. So like when he
got bigger in big time, he didn't. He didn't big
time people.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's going to be a hell of a coaching matchup
to Shawn Miller's terrific.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
It's be great who's really good as well? He could
be great.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Give me thirty seconds on Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Pat Kelsey local guy, a lot of energy, a lot
of extra stuff behind the scenes he does to try
to motivate his players.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Pat Kelsey having instant success at Louisville is not surprising
doing it with a lot of guys who played at Charleston.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Here.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Here's the thing with Pat does you don't see him
during the games getting really wild and crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I think he coaches his guys during practice.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, and then he makes those changes, those small, no
point intended, minor changes during the game.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah. He is a high energy guy. If you're around him,
and you've been around him.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I played basketball with him growing up.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
But if you watch him for those two hours during
the game, he's a little bit more buttoned up than
you would expect if you have spent time with him.
But just an awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Coach man, very calm on the sideline, hypes up the
student body. I buy my cars from Kelsey Chevrolet plug
right there.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
You know, how about that? Very good? That's very good,
Very well done.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, all right, is there anything else you want to
touch on?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Nothing at all? All right, nothing at all. I mean,
you hit on all of it. Let's go a mid
majors today.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Robert Morris from the Horizon League. Do you give him
a chance against Alabama?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I don't, Okay, I don't, but I like the two
one the two that I like, I like, I like Creighton,
and I like I've.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Got a mid major.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, no, but I'm saying for an up Louisville eight nine. Yeah, okay,
And the other one I'm gonna go Utah State.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I like Utah State. In that game against UCLA, Mick
Cronin as big a fan of I as I am
of him. I don't know what his team does necessarily well,
and it has felt all year long like he can't
wait for the season to be over. We'll see if
that happens.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'll watch UCLA play last Friday, and I'm not I
mean I just destroyed.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Wisconsin did make some threes, by the.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Way, down a nineteen of them. Yeah, all right, we
gotta go.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
All right, Well, thanks thanks for having me always. This
is awesome, the shortest segment ever.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I love it. Oh it's not ten minutes, It's all right.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That's all I need is coming up on eleven o'clock.
We're at the Holy Grail NCAA tournament preview show on
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Wise Cincinnati, make us the number one pre set on
your car radio and on the free new and improved
I Heard Radio app Free never sounded so good, ESPN
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