Chad Brendel's Friday Football Frenzy -- 11/28/25

Chad Brendel filling in for Tony Pike hosts the Friday Football Frenzy. Chad reacts to the Bengals Thanksgiving Night Win over the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Here we go Friday Football Frenzy. Eric hit my music,
welcome in. Hope everybody had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Chad Brenda
in for Tony and Austin Sincy three sixty here on

(01:02):
Black Friday. I hope everybody's having fun. Hope you're not
trying to get into Kenwood Mall. Thank you as always
for choosing me. That was Tarran. That was the traffic
report on the way in. Everything is clear unless you're

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trying to go to Kenwood.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Mall or Rookwood Commons. I drove past there and that exited.
It's crazy too.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
The daughter and the girlfriend are at Kenwood now pray
for them. They might still be I left them about
forty five minutes ago. They might still be trying to
find a parting spot. You know, it's having a better
day than anybody trying to shop at Kenwood Mall. The
Cincinnati Bengals, yes, sir, pretty much domination last night of

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Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens. Mainly because some guy
named Burrow played quarterback for the Bengals yesterday and he
was excellent. I think I would keep him as the start.
You know what's funny is like this is not a
shot at Joe Flacco. Like Joe Flacco played great. It

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just looks so different when Joe's out there. Burrow.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
It just.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
His ability to maneuver the offense, his ability to manipulate
a defense, to see what's happening as it's happening, before
it's happening. Did he have like the best game of
his career. No, And you could tell early he was
trying to find his rhythm. He missed a couple. I mean,

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you know, this thing could have been a lot different.
It could have been even more of a domination than
it was. The Bengals settled for four field goals in
the first half, and it had that feeling of boy,
you got an outstanding half from your defense and you're

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up twelve to seven, and this defense can't possibly hold
up over a full game against Lamar Jackson in that offense.
But then the second half was even better than the first.
Joe got cooking a little bit, great throat to Jamar

(03:32):
Chase for forty three yards. The touchdown pass to Tanner
Hudson was a thing of beauty. The touchdown pass to
Andre Yoshivas perfectly layered over a defender in front, right
into Yoshavash's hands with a safety over the top, and

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all of a sudden feel little leaf creeping in. Is
it too late, Let's be honest. Yeah, it's probably too late,
But we've seen this team go on end of season
runs before with Joe Burrow under center. It's not completely
out of the realm with possibility. And really, when you

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start getting digging deep into it, you've got the next
two that are very difficult, the Bills in Buffalo and
then the Ravens here the next two weeks. But then
you end the season with Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns. The Bengals

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have a chance to go five and one in the division,
a division that's not very daunting right now, Steelers are
six and five, Ravens are six and six, Bengals are
four and eight. Now, could they definitely use some help

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from the Bills this week as the Steelers host the
Bills at four to twenty five on Sunday. Sure, send
your two games out, five games to play and you
can at least see it. You can at least feel

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like it's a possibility. And why obviously, because you have
Joe Burrow twenty four forty six two sixty one, two touchdowns,
no interceptions, only one sack. We saw him, especially early,
quite a bit more under center play action, being a

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little bit more efficient, being a little bit more. They
were careful to not leave Joe back there exposed. But
then as the game got going, you could see Burrows
settle in, You could see him get comfortable, you could
see him start spreading the ball around. I mean, look,

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Jamar Chase had seven catches, he had fourteen targets, so
they were, you know, trying to get the ball to Chase,
who notoriously cooks the Ravens. Chase Brown was the checkdown
guy seven for thirty five, but then Josebash one catch
twenty nine yards, Tinsley two catches twenty two yards, Kaseki

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two catches nineteen yards, p Ryan two catches fifteen yards,
Hudson the touchdown catch for fourteen. Sample won for fourteen
hit no fan for a three yard completion. Found nine
different receivers in those twenty four completions. When somebody got open,

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Burrow got him the ball. The running game was solid
fifteen for Chase Brown for seventy eight. He breaks a
franchise record when you add in the thirty five receiving
yards at six games consecutively over one hundred yards from
scrimmage for Chase Brown here on fourteen for thirty nine.

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He was in there to get kind of those those tough,
physical inside run yards. He was only a two point
eight per carry, but Chase Brown five point two. You'll
take five point two all day every day. There was

(07:48):
one play I didn't like. Tern you know which play
it was? Can you guess?

Speaker 5 (07:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I don't like Joe in the tush push. Did you
see the into that play?

Speaker 5 (08:01):
No?

Speaker 4 (08:02):
I didn't see the end of it.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
He I mean he looked like an accordion. His lower
body was low upper body was high, head was pushed back.
That's not a Joe Burrow play. You know. One of
the reasons Jalen Hurts is so good at that is
because he gets almost as low as his offensive line
and is able to burrow to a first down. That

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that's not you like what I did there. That was
pretty clever. H That is not Joe Burrow's game. He
had his head up a little bit too high. The
defenders were wrapped around his waist and his legs, and
he got folded up pretty good.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
It was.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
It was good to see that he bounced back from
that and and and jumped right up off the pile.
I don't love Joe Burrow in the tush push, But
other than that, it didn't really ever feel like he
was in a lot of danger. Credit to the offensive line.

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They gave him time. It felt like he was even
maybe more alert to what was happening in and around
the pocket. A couple times he did get out of
the pocket and and kind of you know, make plays
on the move, make plays off platform. It didn't feel

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like some of the stuff that makes you worry when
there's you know, four guys chasing him down and Joe's
trying to like escape. It felt like he was clean
out of the pocket, had open passing lanes, had room
to survey, room to look around and make sure that

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everything was, you know, where he wanted it to be,
threw it away when he needed to. If this is
the evolution of Burrow, I like it. I like it.
And imagine how that would have looked if he didn't

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take most of the first half to really find his rhythm,
and that could have been forty to fourteen. And let's
be honest about the Ravens. They do not look good
right now. Yeah, nine catches combined for Likely and Andrews,

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which you know, the book is out. The Bengals linebackers
are not great in coverage. We saw that again yesterday.
There were plays to be had over the middle of
the field for the tight ends, but nobody else had
more than two catches for Baltimore, one for Henry, two

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for Hopkins, one for Kohler, two for Keaton Mitchell's, two
for z Flowers. So they bottled up Baltimore on the outside.
And let's let's talk about the defense, because that is

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what people have been talking about. Like they didn't look
overly dominant. Now the fumbles and the forced turnovers obviously
skewed things in the bengals favor. You get five turnovers
from Baltimore, you're doing a pretty dang good job. But

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they battled, they fought.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
I mean the.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Forced fumble. Jordan Battle got cooked on that route by
Likely and lost connection to him. As Likely catches the pass,
he pulls away starts rumbling down the field. Give credit
to Jordan Battle who stayed with it. Could have very

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easily just kind of jogged halfheartedly behind the play as
Likely rolls in for a pretty easy touchdown, and instead,
Battle kept up the pressure and forced the fumble right
at the goal line into the end zone. Bengals takeover

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in a pivotal sequence there in the first half. That
would would have given Baltimore fourteen before halftime Bengals would
have been trailing. Who knows the difference and the score
at that point in time what it actually would have
ended up as. But that's who this defense needs to

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be because they're not the most talented group in the world.
But they've got to hustle, they've got to fight, they've
got to make plays, even through some of the growing pains,
some of the deficiencies that they have. There were still

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some mistackles, there was still at times pretty poor linebacker play,
but you know what they got, They got really good games.
One Joseph Assi two sacks, four tackles, four quarterback hits.

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He made things tough for Lamar Jackson all day. And
then Miles Murphy was kind of the robin to his batman.
Murphy had three tackles, a pass defended, and was around
the football most of the night. From the defensive end position.

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That's what the Bengals have been missing. That's where the
defense can evolve. That's what That's why it's so important
to have a pass rush because I thought also there
were a couple times in that second half where Lamar
Jackson was inaccurate because his clock was sped up because

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once Aside started getting pressure. Now that opens you up
on third down, on fourth down to send pressure, and
if you watch that second half, third down, Al Golden
sent a ton of pressure and made Lamar Jackson make

(14:51):
quick decisions, put him in a position where he wasn't
able to spin out of the pocket and really make
you pay outside of the you know, he had one
first down run that was pretty impressive, but six carries
for twenty seven yards. You'll live with that from Lamar
Jackson all day. But because they were able to make

(15:14):
him uncomfortable on first and second down, now you're in
third and you know longer. You're not in those situations
where it's always third and four, third and five or
less and you're worried if you send pressure, they're just
gonna hit a hot route, they're gonna get something out quick,
and they're gonna beat the coverage. The Bengals didn't allow

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that to happen at Dax Hill had a pretty good game.
Two passes defended, six tackles. DJ Turner was solid, evidenced
by the wide receivers not really being able to do
a whole lot for Baltimore, Gino Stone and Battled, They'll

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still leave you scratching your head at some point in time,
but the two of them combined for fourteen tackles and
it wasn't a lot of like making plays down the
field after Baltimore had picked up twenty five yards. So

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all in all, give out Golden's unit a gold star
because I thought they finally looked like the version that
we hoped for at the beginning of the season and
now this is three weeks in a row. This is
the best that they've played, holding Baltimore to fourteen. But

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three weeks in a row, the defense has played well
enough for Cincinnati to win. And that's absolutely an improvement
over the nine games prior, where it just felt like

(17:08):
it didn't matter no matter what the Bengals did, it
was going to be a disaster. Taryn and I, I
had a my cousin pointed out something to me, uh,
last night that I hadn't thought of. Defense has played

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pretty well three games in a row, right, yep, you
know who's been out those three games.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
CCB Schamar Stewart him too.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
His last game with Chicago where we were talking about
the well, you just gotta you gotta accept the fact
that the defense is going to give up forty since
the Bears game they gave up the thirty four to
the Steelers, which was you had to pick six in there.

(18:07):
I didn't think the defense was horrible in that game.
The offense was really bad in that game. And then
you only gave up twenty six to the Patriots last week,
which should have put you in a better position to win.
But again the offense struggled and then last night only fourteen.
Just I don't know what the exact correlation to that is,

(18:30):
if there's any correlation at all. There's something he brought
up last night as we were talking about the game
that I found interesting. All Right, we're gonna listen to
Zach Taylor. We're gonna listen to Joe Burrow when we
come back. Here's the deal. No guests today, just me
and you. We're rolling straight through. Get your talkbacks in,

(18:50):
let us know how Turkey Day was, let us know
your thoughts on the Bengals performance last night. I'm sure
some of you have thoughts on the Bearcats of performance
on Wednesday. We'll get to UC football, We'll get to
UC basketball later in the show. But the Bengals get
the rare opportunity to play on Thanksgiving and they look great.

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They go on the road, they get a victory at Baltimore.
We're gonna go ahead and dedicate most of the show
to that. Let's take a break, get this show rolling
after this. This is since he three to sixty a
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Speaker 6 (19:29):
This is Dan Horde joined Dave Lapham and me this
afternoon at three for Bengals pep rally on the Official
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Speaker 7 (19:38):
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Speaker 8 (19:53):
Bess waking up in the morning, gotta thank god.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
I don't know what to day since.

Speaker 8 (20:00):
Want it from the dog.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
And I got it.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Still doesn't sound good. I mean, look, I get steak
and eggs.

Speaker 9 (20:09):
Great.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I asked ice Cube, what what what it meant to
have a breakfast with no hog, because that sounds terrible.
He said he had steak and eggs. Yeah, y, I
mean it is what it is. Yesterday was a good day.
Do you have a good day, Taran?

Speaker 4 (20:28):
It was a good day. How was How was the meal? Phenomenal?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Phenomenal thing?

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Way to get home and have some more?

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I did the pulled ham again. I got it. I
did it better than last year, so I was. I
was pretty excited about that. Everybody was very happy with
the pulled ham. It still weirds me out because it
looks like pulled pork, but it tastes like ham. There

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were there were folks that, like, you know, we had
a different group for the Thanksgiving this year a little bit.
There were folks that were looking at it like I
don't know what that is, and I don't know why
it's at Thanksgiving like it's pulled ham. Oh, and then
they tore into it. So it's pretty popular. I can tell,
because I don't have any I meant to bring you

(21:17):
some of this. I meant to. I did mean to
bring you some ham, and I forgot that was on me.
You wanted my uncle's turkey, but that was gone. My
uncle makes the best turkey on the planet. I don't
know if I've mentioned this on the radio before. The
women in the neighborhood that he lives in will come

(21:39):
to his house for a seminar, a cooking class on
how to make his turkey. That's how good his turkey is.
I'm going to get you some for Christmas, I promise.
But it didn't happen yesterday. It was gone quick. It
was gone quick. Other NFL games yesterday, Packers thirty one

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twenty four over the Lions. Packers eight three and one
Lions seven and five. Ben Johnson was a big loss
for the Lions. There big loss. They don't look the
same seven and five, four and two at home. That

(22:21):
is uh, that is a loaded division. And right now
the Lions are in third. I don't need to I
don't need to tell you who's in fourth. Yeah, What's
what's it like for an Ohio State guy to have
a Michigan quarterback that isn't playing well? How much more

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frustrating does that make the experience?

Speaker 3 (22:45):
I mean, I can overlook I can overlook the fact
that he went to Michigan and once he's in.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
The league when he's playing bad.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
No, I'm just the fact that he went to Michigan.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
I know.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
But I'm saying, like, you can overlook it if he's winning,
if he's losing. Isn't that somewhere deep inside you? That's
like I knew I always hated that guy.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Well, I said it before we drafted them. I know, pissed.
I have a truck record on Twitter? Why did we
draft them?

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I know? But now it creeps into your head a
little bit, doesn't it? Why did we draft that Michigan guy?
I knew he sucked? And then Cowboys thirty one twenty
eight over the Chiefs. The Chiefs six and six, they
are one in five away from home, and they have

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Texans Chargers, Titans, Broncos, Raiders to close out the season.
So they should win the Titans in the Raiders game.
But the way they're playing right now, I mean the Texans. Look,
the Texans lost their first three. They're six and two
cents and that defense looks like a monster tearan.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
The AFC is like just still so wide ope, because
like the team's at the top, you still don't trust them.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Feel like if Kansas City's just sneaks seen, they're probably
still a favorite to get to the.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Super Bowl, probably, but sneaking in, I mean the good
part for them. I know this is going to sound shocking,
right the Texans, the Chargers, and the Broncos. They're three
tough games out of their last five are all at home.
The two road games are the Titans and the Raiders
that you think they should win, so they've got a

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chance to go on a run. But we have not
seen this Chiefs team sitting at five hundred this late
in the season. It feels like since like the early
two thousands, they've been that good. So it'll be interesting
to see how they handle the adversity. And hey, yeah,
give it up to the Cowboys. Everybody left them for
dead when they traded Micah Parsons. Maybe that was the

(24:50):
right move for them.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Well, the fact that they they got active before the
trade deadline helped too.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
That helped definitely. But they're sitting at six five and one.
They're they're definitely a factor. They look really good offensively.
And then today Bears and Eagles going at it Philadelphia,
seven point favorite, three o'clock on Prime Video. Before we
take a break, let's get a couple of minutes of

(25:17):
Joe Burrow from last night's victory in his sweet fur coat.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Hopefully that's fate.

Speaker 10 (25:26):
Yeah, you know, obviously I had to knock some rust
off there in the first half, so I expect myself
to play better. But it was great to be back
out there. I was, you know, a lot of emotions
running through it at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
So it's just good to be back with the guys.

Speaker 11 (25:44):
You know.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
I thought second half, I started to put it more
where I wanted and settled in a little bit, certainly
missing throws early that I typically make. But you know,
after that, I felt felt pretty comfortable back there. I
thought the on line did great.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
We ran it well.

Speaker 10 (26:02):
Obviously, defense played great, so I'm just gonna keep getting better.

Speaker 6 (26:08):
I know it's any.

Speaker 12 (26:09):
Guys, what should be Essentially, if you guys chance to
bat in the can you feel the us been able
to be your seeing your performance.

Speaker 13 (26:20):
Tonight And.

Speaker 10 (26:22):
I don't know anything. I don't know about that, and
I think you know, anytime you can get a big
win like this, it's uh, it's exciting. And guys work
really hard for this. You know, we are where we're
at with our record, but guys work really hard to
to go out and put put on good performances on Sunday.

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So when you're able to to do that, it feels good,
a lcohol, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Of rock when you start.

Speaker 10 (26:59):
The whole first half, if I was you know, my
feet were a little antsy back there, missing some throws.
But like I said, in the second half, I felt
felt a lot more comfortable. Started putting 'em where I
wanted to, and uh, you know, getting out and running
and makes it making a couple of plays with my feet,

(27:20):
getting out of the pocket a little bit. Certainly don't
wanna make a living that way, but I was able
to to pick my sponts go off.

Speaker 14 (27:30):
I didn't walk a lot at night, but you had
any moment where you felt like you had a chance
to reflect on the journey back to this moment to
get back and and how hard it's been.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
To be able to enjoy a night like this.

Speaker 10 (27:43):
Yeah, it was certainly have those moments after the game.
Certainly hasn't been easy on me through through six years
from a lot of different angles. But you know, I
worked really hard to put myself in position to be
back out there, and a lot of people around me

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have done the same. And you know, there's been a
lot of discussions and a lot of time in the
training room and I just a lot a lot that
has gone into this, and you know, I'm I'm proud
to be done.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Was there anything both to getting me back into it
where you know in the first stat if any feels
get is there any grow that gets your go to
get your home?

Speaker 10 (28:25):
That touchdown to to Yoshi, I felt pretty good about it. Was, Uh,
put it right where I wanted it. Didn't exactly spend
it the way I wanted it, but that's all right.
I put it put it in a good spot. And
you know he was ready for the look that one
was that one ful?

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Is this what you just got a line all down
words to God.

Speaker 10 (28:48):
Yeah, there's there's no there's no better feeling than that,
you know, putting in, putting in work for for a
long time and going out and in it paying off.
It's uh, there's just just there's there's just no feeling
like going out in front of the world with a
group of guys that work really hard to go try

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to win games, and and going out and putting on
a good performance and winning that game.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
You know, obviously we got a lot of games left, but.

Speaker 10 (29:18):
We're gonna enjoy this when on this on this little
mini by weekend and everybody's gonna go and have Thanksgiving
with their families and smile and eat and feel good
about it.

Speaker 14 (29:28):
Were the issues in the prices?

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Well, trying to think there.

Speaker 10 (29:42):
You know, I think for the most part, you just
got to give credit to them. They mixed up their
their looks down there. They would they zero pressured us,
they double jamar, they single jamar, They did a lot
of different things down there. You know, at the end
of the day, we gotta make plays and put put
more in the end zone. We can't kick six six
field goals. But that's the kind of game that it

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was with our defense playing the way that it was
and the way we were running the ball, it was
take your points kind of game.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Obviously.

Speaker 10 (30:13):
The one that really, the one that really hurt was
when we got the turnover down there and came out
with no points. You know, typically something like that happens,
it's gonna be tough to win the game.

Speaker 15 (30:23):
But if we were able to pull it out all four.

Speaker 10 (30:29):
Stat yeah, and then that was really the only drive
that they did that.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
And then.

Speaker 10 (30:37):
The next couple of times they they were still playing
some man and like I said, doubling Jamar sometimes, not
doubling them sometimes. But we needed somebody to make a play,
and Tanner made that play on in my opinion, won
the best safety in the league who just continuously makes
play after play. And that one really opened the flood gates.

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It's so credit tanh won.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
All right, there you go, Joe Burrow. Well, we'll hear
from Zach Taylor a little bit later in the show.
Let's take a break. Bone mines are open, five, one, three, fifteen,
thirty talkbacks are open. Get those in.

Speaker 16 (31:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
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Speaker 14 (31:35):
I know that hiring can be challenged.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Do you saw it through tons of resumes?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yes, Tony, Tony, Tony, he's not here. Ye, you get
me instead, Chad, Chad, Chad. All right, we've uh, we
got the stage set. We've heard from Joe Burrow. Now

(32:02):
let's hear from you. Like I said, no guest today,
I left today completely wide open. This is a fan
friendly Friday football frenzy. That's a lot of ass. Let's
go out to the phones. Mark and Florence. Mark, what's

(32:22):
up my brother?

Speaker 11 (32:24):
Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 13 (32:26):
Tad?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm great.

Speaker 8 (32:29):
I was glad they won the game last night. I
was actually surprised they won the game last night. But
I see the same consistent thing with this coach. He
gets on the two yard line and tried to spread
the offense out and throw the ball instead of running it.
It's like my opinion of him is if he had

(32:51):
Dallas Cowboys offensive line in the early nineties, but he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
He's got one of the worst offensive lines. It's past.

Speaker 8 (32:59):
But even if he did, and he had a Hall
of Fame running back, he would still throw the ball.
I think he's gonna go down, you know, throwing the
ball at all calls. I mean, Joe Burrow threw the
ball forty six times last night. He's got a decent
he got a decent running game. I mean, when is
he ever going to learn when you get in the

(33:20):
red zone, you got to use the tight ends over
the middle of the field. I think with a miss
Matt g Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I agree to an extent, but you're gonna put the
ball in the hands of nine Mark. Like, you can
complain about whatever you want, and Zach has given us
plenty of things to complain about, but one of them
is not they gave the ball to Joe Burrow and
let him do his thing. Like, Joe Burrow is a
top three quarterback and he might not be two or

(33:46):
three in the NFL. So you're gonna ride or die
with Joe, and you gotta trust what he sees it
sometimes right.

Speaker 8 (33:55):
Okay, But at the two yard line, I mean, can
I get one running play?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
They did run one time and got a quarter of
a yard.

Speaker 8 (34:03):
You know, well, well what about two from the two
yard line? How about how about can we run it twice?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Okay? But but Mark, it's a double edged sword because
if they run it twice and they get no yards
and they still come away with nothing, everybody's gonna say,
why didn't you just put it in the hands of
Joe Burrow? Now, but here's here's where you could, I think,
make a valid argument. There is that was early in

(34:31):
that game, and Burrow was clearly rusty, clearly rusty, and
you're asking him to make a couple super tight window throws,
the fade, the slant like you're asking him. You're asking
him at that point. Now if it was third or
fourth quarter when he was cooking. Yeah, like you give

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Joe the ball?

Speaker 8 (34:53):
Okay, yeah, I guess Now they won the game last night,
and let me ask you this question and then I'll
get off. Do you look at it more like they
beat the Ravens or the Ravens helped them out, because
what if they're likely fumble don't happen at the goal line, but.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
The Bengals made that fumble happen.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
Okay, got it? And then that push off where that
guy had to touch down. But he had pushed off.
I mean he had he had had to be back beat. Yeah,
he didn't really even have to push off.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
He didn't.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
But you know, that may have been a different game.
But hey, they got five turnos and they won the game.
So I'm not taking anything away from them.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Mark. If it's some butts for candy and nuts, we'd
all have a merry Christmas. Right, Okay, here's the thing
I will say, just real quick, here's the thing I
will say. On the turnovers. Sometimes those things are fluky, right,
Sometimes there's stuff that happens, and it didn't really feel
like the defense was all that involved in it happening.

(35:56):
I thought they forced those turnovers. You had the tip
ball at the line of scrimmage for the interception, you
had the hustle play from battle on the fumble, the
play on uh Zay Flowers, the ball got punched out,
Like I thought, the Bengals were the aggressor, and a

(36:17):
lot of those turnovers were the results of the Bengals
making a play.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
I just wish I just wish he would run the
ball a little more. Yeah, but we'll see what happens
and if they missed the playoffs by a game or two.
We're probably gonna.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Think about the Jet Jets and the Bears.

Speaker 11 (36:36):
Yeah, we gonna think about them.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Think about where they would be. They would be tied
for first place in the division if they didn't choke
away those two games.

Speaker 8 (36:45):
Okay, yet it Okay, let me get off.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
And appreciate you, Mark, thanks man. All right, you're gonna
take one more team. Okay, let's take a break and
we're back right after this. Since I's ESPN fifteen thirty.
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Speaker 6 (37:01):
Four joined Dave Lapham and me this afternoon at three
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Speaker 5 (37:14):
Yeah, this is right. Here goes out to Oh the baby's.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Mamas, Mamas, baby mamas, Mamas, mamas, baby mamas, momas, baby
marmas mom. Closing out hour number three, Let's get back
out to the phones. Scott wants to talk Trey Hendrickson
and Ken Anderson Hall of Fame. What's going on, Scott, Hey.

Speaker 17 (37:35):
Great show as always, and happy belated Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Thank you you as well. Hope the turkey was wonderful.

Speaker 17 (37:42):
Yeah, and I hope the pull t Hamil's good too.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Pulled ham was excellent. My my uncle makes the best turkey,
so I usually just go for a lot of that.

Speaker 17 (37:53):
Hey, my first question is do you feel that Trey
Hendrickson and I hate to ask this right now, or
do you think I'm back and help this team.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I'm so out on Trey at this point. I'm not
gonna lie. I get it, he's hurt, but the drama,
the shenanigans, the whatever that we've seen from him for
the past two years, and then to get the deal
and then this is the end result. Like, it's frustrating.

(38:29):
I tell you what. The way that Osaiah Murphy played
last night.

Speaker 17 (38:34):
Was great.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm fine. Like, you know, if you can get more
of that, you don't need Trey Hendrickson. Would I like
him out there? Sure? Do I think he's a bit
of a one trick pony, yes? Yes? But would he
help the team? Yeah, he'd helped the team. He'd help
because defense is hair, because offensive lines have to pay
so much attention to him. But I mean, if he

(38:56):
comes back, he's he's not a He's more of a
rotat guy at that point, isn't he Absolutely?

Speaker 17 (39:03):
He is a one trick pony. I mean, I do
miss those sacks to close that game.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Sure, but I'll tell you what, Al Golden showed a
little something that we had not seen from him yesterday.
Third down he was bringing seven like he was bringing.
These were not disguised blitzes. This was seven guys standing
at the line of scrimmage saying Lamar, we're coming.

Speaker 11 (39:29):
I liked it, and I loved it.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I loved it.

Speaker 17 (39:33):
And secondly, sorry to switch subjects on you, do you
think Ken Anderson gets in this year? He's the only
quarterback left in that group.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I don't know how he doesn't. I mean, what are
we doing if Ken Anderson's not What are we doing
right now? That Ken Anderson's not in the Pro Football
Hall of Fame? It's ridiculous. So I do think he
gets in.

Speaker 18 (39:58):
I hope.

Speaker 17 (39:58):
So I don't know if this is true, but I
heard the Bengals do a lousy job of promoting their own.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Shocking Yeah, set Scott, that's I mean, that's hard to believe.
They do a hard time promoting Joe Burrow. Yeah, oh man,
I do, because I hate There's nothing I hate more
than these guys that get in after they're gone. Ken
deserves to be in Yeah, all right, thanks for the call,

(40:27):
many thank you appreciate it. Have a great weekend, all right.
Our number one is in the books. I'm going to
keep the phone lines open in our two. Still a
lot of Bengals to get to. I guess in hour
three we'll get to the disaster at Fifth Third Arena
on Wednesday night and we'll talk a little Bearcats TCU

(40:51):
as the regular season comes to an end tomorrow three
point thirty. If you're around, you can join me at
the Holy Grail, where we will be watched watching the
Bearcats and TCU. Hopefully the the nasty stuff stays north
and west. Yes, correct, I don't feel like dealing with

(41:11):
that tomorrow at all, at all. Tern although Sunday it
has been there's been like five games and eight days,
five UC games and eight days, plus the Bengals stuff.
Plus I've been on the air a lot like Sunday.
I might hibernate like you. I might not come out
of my room, so a little snow might not be

(41:35):
a bad thing. Give me an excuse. Let's take a break.
Hour number two coming up. This is since E three
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Speaker 2 (42:36):
All right, our number two sensy three sixty in for
the boys. Tony and Austin back on Monday. There it
is Playline music. Tony and Austin back on Monday. Get

(42:59):
your talkbacks, Arrence says, we're light on talkbacks. We need
some more audience participation. Get your talkbacks in. We have
a lot to talk about. It is a big day yesterday.

(43:19):
Thank you for choosing me. Tarry and I I have
a question that came up yesterday at the previous like
eight days, was the cost of getting Joe Burrow back?
Is that worth it? Is it worth it to go

(43:41):
through the pain of a weekend that saw the Bearcats
basketball lose to a Rank Louisville Bearcats football lose to
a Rank BYU, the Bengals lose against New England even
though they played pretty well, and then FC Cincinnati gets
dump truck in the playoffs. I'm messy, and then the

(44:03):
Beericats on Wednesday Woff lose to Eastern Michigan. Is that
all worth it? If the exchange is Joe Burrow's back
and he's gonna give this team a jolt over the
final five weeks of the season. Is that a trade

(44:26):
you make? Is that a gamble that's worth it? Gotta
go through a week of some pain, but Burrow's back
and the Bengals have hope again. And if there's anything
we love more than anything in this town, it's a

(44:47):
quick whiff of that open hopium, the Hopium, not the
don't the Hopium. Let's go out to Dick and Dayton. Dick,
how was your Thanksgiving? My friend?

Speaker 8 (45:02):
Hey, Chad?

Speaker 13 (45:03):
It was great?

Speaker 19 (45:04):
I went over to my friends at Oak Creek Terrace.
I've never had so much turkey dressing, Hash bound casserole,
sweet potato pie, and the pie. There was probably thirty
forty people, but it was very nice.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Dick, you're not a Gramby and castrole guy, are you.

Speaker 20 (45:21):
A little bit? I like hash Brown Castrolet?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Okay, okay, that's more of a brunch thing for me.
But hashbrown casseroles good. Anything that involves potatoes and cheese.
I'm in, Dick.

Speaker 19 (45:35):
Let's say something, Okay, I said to all my friends,
and I think I told when I was talking to
Jerry Jeff.

Speaker 20 (45:42):
When Burrow got back, I had this feeling that they
were going to play great against the Ravens and the defense.
I'll give them an a.

Speaker 19 (45:55):
They looked like a protein down there.

Speaker 11 (45:58):
Chad.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
You know yeah, I mean, nobody's gonna mistake him for
the eighty five Bears, Dick, But no that all we've
ever talked about is just be okay, just don't fed
dog poop. If you're not dog poop, then Joe Burrow
can win you some games if you can get a
couple stops each half, or get a turnover here and there.

(46:21):
They had ten turnovers. Yeah, in the season leading up
to last night and they got five.

Speaker 19 (46:28):
Hey, who was that new color commentator. He was talking
about Joe Burrow. I liked him with Mike Rico.

Speaker 20 (46:36):
He was talking about did Joe Burrell come back?

Speaker 19 (46:39):
And I think a lot of my friends were telling me, Hey,
I got a story to tell you.

Speaker 20 (46:44):
I hope this happens. But Dave from Dayton, this my friend.
He you know, we're big fit.

Speaker 19 (46:50):
But I got to see Austin and Tony Pike, but
I didn't get to see you. When I asked about you, David,
I missed you, but I'd like to see you sometime. Tony,
I mean Tony, you know where'd you see them at?
Huh oh h Dave of my birthday April fourteenth, Yeah,

(47:13):
we went, oh oh, thank you the Lord. Your studio
there is beautiful.

Speaker 20 (47:18):
I heard radio.

Speaker 19 (47:19):
Yeah, I've never seen anything so luxurious. It was like
a it's so pretty there ched you know.

Speaker 21 (47:26):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
The thing is, Dick, my key card only works if
I'm on the air. If I'm not on the air,
they don't let me in the building.

Speaker 19 (47:35):
I'd like to play for you and Karen sometime.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I appreciate that Dick.

Speaker 20 (47:41):
Yeah, hey, God, Bengals, right.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
There you go, go Bengals. You have a great rest
of your weekend. Okay, take care, God bless you you do.
Dick and Dayton. Yeah, they don't. Arren can confirm, like
I can't come up on a random Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
And say hi, yeah no no, no.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
I'm only allowed and I've got like a half hour
before the show. My key card works, and then like
I've got like five minutes after the show to get out.
There's no there's no Hey, I'm in the area, let's
stop by and see how everybody's doing. That's that's not

(48:20):
how that works. I don't blame them. I mean, I
you know, I understand. But anyhow, the big thing for
me last night, outside of Joe Burrow is what can
we take from that defensive performance because there were still issues.
They still miss seven tackles. They have a tackling issue.

(48:47):
They have a tackling like travesty at times because they're
just not good at it. They don't have good tacklers,
they don't take good angles. They are often in terrible
leverage situations. So yeah, like a lot of times it'll
say mistackle on the sheet. But for you know, you're

(49:11):
trying to bring down an NFL tight end or Derrick Henry,
like you were never gonna You might have slid off
the guy, but you were never really in position to
make that play because you had a bad angle, because
you had bad leverage, because you were slow to the ball.
And there was still some of that yesterday, but it
felt like there was a lot less. It felt like

(49:36):
they were at least creating some havoc at least around
the ball in position to make a play. And you know,
that's part of the frustrating thing over a lot of
these games is that there wasn't somebody in position when
an opportunity arose. A perfect example would be late in

(49:59):
the game, the uh the tip pass that goes up
I think it was Murphy. It was either mur Murphy.
I think it was Murphy. The tip paths that goes
up in the air and results in the the interception
for Carter or Night, sorry Demetrius Night. It felt like

(50:22):
a lot of the games the first half of the season,
that ball would get tipped, it would go up in
the air, and it would just land softly in the
middle of the green, grassy field with nobody to make
a play, or the the fumble by Zay Flowers where

(50:45):
that ball would just bounce out of bounds with nobody
there to jump on it. Part of being that type
of defense that that Bengals fans want to see and
that this team needs is being around the football, not

(51:06):
being lost in space running with the guy you're not
supposed to be covering.

Speaker 22 (51:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
And then you know, you get one of those those
ugly dots you know talking about on it a social media.
They'll they'll put up the dots, oh yeah, and you'll
see this guy running and then they'll be like, Okay,
that guy should take him. And then the guy that
should take him goes running off with like an already
covered running back that's just there to clear space and

(51:33):
just go stand over on the sidelines, and the linebacker
goes and runs over to that guy, and the tight
end breaks free and there's nobody within thirty yards and
you look at the dots and you're like, oh boy,
I didn't feel like there were a lot of dots
plays last night where the Bengals look bad, And the
main one was the one Jordan Battle got back and

(51:56):
made a play before likely could get into the end zone.
And I talked about this earlier with Mark. Yeah, you
can say the Ravens were sloppy, and they were, but
if you go back and look at those plays, those
were turnovers that were created by the Bengals. They weren't accidental.

(52:21):
Balls were punched out. You had the first interception where
Osai got back to the ball and the ball kind
of popped up in the air, and next thing you know,
the Bengals have recovered the fumble and they're going the

(52:42):
other way, and you didn't get a lot of stats
for Cedric Johnson other than Cedric Johnson recovered two fumbles.
That's the type of guy that this defense has been missing.
Somebody that's around the ball, somebody that's in position to

(53:05):
make a play when the opportunity arises. Now, obviously there's
still a lot of work to be done, because you're
not gonna go into Buffalo next Sunday and force four
fumbles and recover all of them and have a five
turnover day. So you've got to keep building. You've got

(53:31):
to continue to get this younger group of guys up
to a confidence level where they can go not only
from making things really difficult for Lamar Jackson on Thursday night,
but then next Sunday make things difficult for Josh Allen

(53:52):
because the last three weeks there has absolutely one hundred
percent been an upward arc for this defense, and maybe
that it hasn't been perfect, maybe that makes them the
I don't know, I haven't looked at the numbers over

(54:12):
the last three weeks. Maybe that makes them the twenty
first or twenty second best defense in the NFL. Do
you know how much of an improvement it is from
where they were to that if they continue on this trend,
they are ruining potentially my favorite storyline of the season,
which is I was really hoping for an opportunity to

(54:36):
talk a lot about the Bengals and their quest to
become the worst defense in the history of the NFL,
like we really believe that they could following the Jets
and the Bears loss losses. But at the end of
the day, there are good things happening. You're starting to

(54:59):
see some of these guys play with the type of
urgency that they have to play with because a lot
of this group is getting to, uh, what's the best
way to put it, getting to decision day. They're gonna
have to make a decision on Joseph A'SI at the

(55:20):
end of this offseason. Sure they'd like to keep him.
They've given him a million chances. He hasn't always lived
up to it. You hope this is that light flickering
on and he can help get you there. Miles Murphy

(55:41):
has felt like a waste of a first round draft
pick right What we saw from him yesterday makes it
feel like there's potentially a path, a window that's opening
for him to show that he was worth his draft pick.

(56:04):
We've seen DJ Turner ascend this year. The Dax Hill
played pretty well yesterday. Honestly, I'm not smart enough to
know what to make of Knight and Carter, the two
young linebackers, because at times it makes me feel like
I want to stab myself with a hot fork watching

(56:27):
them play and watching them get lost in whatever's happening
in front of them, picking up the wrong read, going
into you know, hitting the wrong hole on a play
that gets you know, a jump cut and bounced outside
for big yardage, a mistackle like it just feels like

(56:52):
with those two guys, we knew they were gonna need
a learning curve. We knew that they were gonna need
in a billy to ramp up their performance, ramp up
their value throughout the season. And while that's not anywhere

(57:13):
close to a finished product, we are at least finally
being able to watch these two guys start to help
contribute and that's a vast improvement over where they were
combine for ten tackles. Now, as your two linebackers on

(57:35):
the field, you'd probably like that to be a little
closer to fifteen. Jordan battle with ten Daxo was six.
Those two guys in your secondary got sixteen on the game.
So you don't know yet if that you're not ready

(57:56):
to mark defensive end is solved. We're good at defensive.
It's still a long way to go. However, it doesn't
feel like that those guys are gonna have to go
on the scrap heap and you're gonna have to start
over trying to find a pass rush. Now they need

(58:18):
to stack. Gotta start stacking games. To feel like you're
making that jump, You're you're finding consistency, You're you're finding
an ability to keep teams out of the end zone.

(58:42):
For two months, it certainly felt like seven eight times
out of ten, not only was the other team gonna march,
you know, between the twenties. They were gonna march between
the twenties, and they were gonna punt in for a touchdown,
and Cincinnati was gonna have to answer the number of

(59:11):
touchdown drives over that first half of the season that
you couldn't even get up and go get a drink
of water or a frosty beverage from the fridge if
you waited until the kickoff the ball is in the

(59:32):
air for the other team. Didn't have time to go
relieve yourself and get something out of the fridge and
come back and sit down before there was another commercial
break because the Bengals were about to receive the kickoff,
you know, four and a half minutes after whoever the Jets,

(59:52):
the Bears, whoever got the ball, so he stepped forward.
The problem is in no way, shape or form rectified,
but at least you feel like looking at it now
and going, Okay, I might have to squint, I might

(01:00:15):
I might have to grab the binoculars, but I feel
like I can start to see the progress. I can
start to feel like momentum is shifting. And I thought
last night when you watched it felt like Al Golden's
fingerprints were all over it. Now you go to Buffalo,

(01:00:39):
then you get Baltimore back in Cincinnati. Let's see if
it can continue. Phone line's open. What'd you think of
last night? Talkbacks are coming up next. Get your talk
back in. Don't make me and tear and sit here
and have to talk to ourselves. We'll do We'll do
fake talkbacks to ourselves if we have to, so it.

(01:01:02):
Get your crawls in, gets talk backs.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Int talk back from other stations.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yeah, well we could do that. I'm down with that.
We'll do. So we're gonna play talkbacks in this next segment.
How it goes is up to you. Just take a break,
Sincy three sixty lady, Earn bear Cat Journal backup. All right,

(01:01:51):
here we go talkback time. Let's get to it.

Speaker 23 (01:01:55):
Tarn, sorry y'all to eat my mouth open, but no,
jameis Winston, but I'm eating this w right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Who knew Raven tasted so good?

Speaker 23 (01:02:07):
I gotta tell my people to make sure they cook
Raven again next year because this tastes like victory.

Speaker 9 (01:02:12):
Shout out to the Bengals boy.

Speaker 23 (01:02:13):
This night would be known as the Knight that the
Bengals Saved Thanksgiving or the night that the Bengals saved
their season. I'm telling you right now, I'm so proud
of these boys. Right now, I'm ready to run through
a wall with snot bubbles, and i want one hundred
and thirty dollars on this parlay because of them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Who they man, Hey, go get your money now the
Joe's back, Go get your money.

Speaker 18 (01:02:38):
Repping the city out here this sunny, hot Zona. What up,
chaid my g I heard the chore all right, I
know what it is.

Speaker 13 (01:02:43):
Yo.

Speaker 18 (01:02:43):
The defense last night from the Bengals was excellent. I'll
go to turn up the pressure. I mean, they took
poor angles here and there. They was roasting us last night.
Well while they was roasting, we was roasting the rat birds.
That was excellent. That touchdown in Yoshi Voss was fired.
Joseph Oside was playing like fire last night. We're gonna
be one hundred percent going against Buffalo. Buffalo should be nervous,

(01:03:05):
they should be scared. Here we come who They.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Agreed your defense, got a little confidence, got a little
little pep in their steps. So hopefully it's uh, it's
a sign of things to come. No, I'm not letting
them off the hook.

Speaker 18 (01:03:22):
I changed my mind, wes Man, come on, EMU, we're
gonna lose it that team like that. You guys looked
at flat. We got a problem. You lose the Xavier.
We got a serious problem here. That's heat already starting
to warm up. And uh, don't look far behind coach Sat.
I'm still talking to you, g Man. Figure way to
be TCU. Don't feature Joe Royor is a problem. Man,

(01:03:43):
it's irritating as fans. Man win this game and don't
get no crappy bowl dot com type game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
You dig what I'm saying. There's there's a lot of
truth in what Ron has to say about the Bearcats
right now. Like I said, we'll get to that an
hour three.

Speaker 24 (01:04:00):
West Miller.

Speaker 25 (01:04:03):
Bearcats is the tournament this year.

Speaker 10 (01:04:06):
He's got to be out right as head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Where's the line? That was a low talk? That was
a very low talk back. Look, as I have said
all along, like, do I think it's a guarantee that
if you see miss as the tournament Wes Miller's fired. No?
Do I think it's likely probably. And the reason I

(01:04:32):
say that is you don't know until you have the
whole picture of a season. What that means, well, now
you have in the in the keep west Miller column,
in the don't keep when move on from west Miller column,
the move on from west Miller column has a loss
to Eastern Michigan where you never led for one second,

(01:05:00):
Not one second did Cincinnati have a lead. They got
it to one in the second half and immediately gave
up a seven to zero run to go back down eight.
Toughness was the issue. Last year. They went out and
recruited what they felt would be a team to combat

(01:05:22):
the fact that they had a toughness problem. They came
out flat against NJIT. They were just that much significantly
better than them that it didn't matter. They came out
flat against Eastern Michigan. It was ten to nine. I

(01:05:43):
don't know how much you were did you have the
were you working the board?

Speaker 11 (01:05:46):
Tearn?

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Yeah, I was running something that I think a chance
to watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
They were down ten to nine, and you looked back
up and it was twenty seven to ten, a seventeen
to one run from Eastern Michigan, and Cincinnati never really
recovered that. Can't look Louisville goes on a seventeen to
one run, all right, you can understand it. Eastern Michigan.

(01:06:12):
You let Eastern Michigan go on a seventeen to one run.
That ain't it.

Speaker 26 (01:06:21):
Man. I hate to be the branch here, but I'm
legit kind of sad seeing Joe Burrow back and playing
well and the defense playing well because at four and eight,
even only two games back, I mean, there's only five
games to go, and it's gonna be gonna be tough
to win the division.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
We're gonna look back, though, we're gonna.

Speaker 26 (01:06:43):
Say, what if we have beaten the Jets the Bears
wouldn't have been awesome, We wouldn't wont all the tiebreakers,
it would have been awesome.

Speaker 11 (01:06:48):
So we're gonna have a lot off season content that'll
be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Look, I get it, like it's very difficult to look
at this thing in four and eight and feel like
there's hope, and especially with what happened to the Jets
against the Jets and the Bears, because it should be
six and six and you're thinking, if we just finished
strong three and two, four and one, even with a

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slip up, like we feel good in this division. So
I get it. I understand it. I understand the frustration,
but let's just let's just see where it goes.

Speaker 27 (01:07:33):
Well, is that chet is your friendly neighborhood pizza dude? Yeah,
I agree with you. Dude did look a little rusty
to start, but luckily he settled down, made the throws
we needed him to make, and lucky for us, Lamar
came to the game in playoff four. So yeah, anytime
that happened, I would bet on Joe every time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I mean yeah, Like I saw the playoff Lamar joke,
Lamar Jackson's in playoff form. I don't think a lot
of that was on Lamar, but he definitely wasn't sharp
by any stretch of the imagination. And I thought the
Bengals sped him up. I thought he looked uncomfortable at times.
He was sailing balls a little bit like he did
not look like vintage Lamar in any way, shape or form.

(01:08:20):
And hey, sometimes winning as a matter of you caught
the other guy on a bad night. But the Bengals
played well enough to win, and they caught Lamar on
a bad night, and that's how you end up winning
by what eighteen.

Speaker 21 (01:08:38):
Hey, jeffrom Casey here, I was impressed with our defense yesterday.
I really like how they're playing and what Golden seems
to be doing now. I like bringing more guys in
a line of scrimmage. I like blitzing more. I like
trying to speed up their offense, their QB and their
own line. I think we have to do that. We're
not good enough to sit back and just play. It
also helps our cornerbacks out a lot. I think also

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we will give up big plays doing that, but we
expect our offense to be able to match those big
plays and score points.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Here's the thing. They were giving up big plays not
doing that. They were giving up big plays being passive
and sitting back in coverage. If that's already gonna happen,
If you're already gonna give up big plays no matter
what alignment you're in, then you might as well be

(01:09:27):
super aggressive. At least if you're super aggressive, there's a
chance you have a guy you know deflect to pass
up into the air that you intercept. There's a chance
that you get a sack fumble that puts you in
the two at the two yard line even though you
don't score. Like the bend but don't break thing only

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works if you're keeping the other team from those explosives
and teams have been killing the Bengals with explos so
be aggressive. I loved it form al Golden yesterday.

Speaker 16 (01:10:07):
Guys, with how good Joe looked last night. And I
know he wasn't the sharpest he's ever been, but he
was rolling out of the pocket, he was pushing off
that foot the toe. He didn't really seem to be
too inhibited by it. How good he looked. It really
makes me wonder if he could have played at Pakoor
on Sunday against New England. But I guess we'll never know.

(01:10:28):
Either way, I'm going to enjoy the win. It's been
a rough season, so at least enjoy this one. And
it's still alive, so who knows what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yeah, Look, I think the smart thing to do, the
prudent thing to do, was not asked Joe after two
months off to play Sunday against the Patriots and then
come back on Thursday night against the Ravens. I think
the wise, intelligent thing to do was say, let's give
him four or five more days, let's get him as

(01:11:00):
comfortable and as up to speed as we can get him,
and then we'll turn him loose, because like, look how
rusty he was in that first half. Things could have
gotten out of hand against a better team, a team
like New England, and then you maybe take a step back,

(01:11:21):
You're you're set back a little bit. I think they
played it right. I get the uh the onet to
always kind of what if if if? What if Joe
was back last week? But I think the Bengals right
made the right move.

Speaker 16 (01:11:38):
What the hell you guys are light on talkback? So
I'll leave another one. I got a question for your
resident Vikings fan over there, would you, in fantasy half
point PPR start Aaron Jones against Seattle or Tyler Warren
against Houston half point PPR? Aaron Jones, Tyler Warren, what

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do you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Got that's for you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Terren?

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Tyler Warren?

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Okay, Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones has looked terrible all year.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Don't have a quarterback either, terrible, terrible, terrible, man, he terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
There's one target Daniel Jones will throw it too, is
Tyler Warren?

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
It's true.

Speaker 24 (01:12:24):
What in the world is going on with our basketball
team down there in Clifton, Man? Watching that game on Wednesday,
it was so painful. It was not a good way
to start off Thanksgiving. It was a terrible way. I've
been a Wes Miller guy for so many years, and
I still am. I love the guy. I want him
to succeed so much, so bad. I've been defending him
for so many years. But Chad, I don't know how

(01:12:47):
long I can do it. Convince me right now why
I should still believe in Wes Miller as the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
I don't have anything to convince you right now. I
think that would be disingenuous on my part. I don't
work for his PR firm. Contrary to popular beliefs, sometime
what I saw was a team that thought that they
could just turn it on and turn it off whenever necessary.
I saw a team that again, and this is like three.

(01:13:16):
That was like the third time this year in seven
games that they came out and just didn't have an
extra bounce in their step. They didn't have like look
no further than how they started against Louisville. They played

(01:13:36):
like their hair was on fire, and they got out
to a seventeen to six lead. And it wasn't just
because they were making shots, it was because they were defending.
It was because they were forcing Louisville into tough shots.
Long rebounds, early offense, and then you look at even

(01:13:56):
in Jit and then into Eastern Michigan, who just happened
to have some more dudes that could put up a fight.
And I thought in the second half, I thought Buck
Harris and Dade Thomas really tried to spark that team,
and I don't think they responded. I think everybody else

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just watched those two like normally, when your energy givers,
when your high energy guys come in and start doing
big things, everybody rallies around it. And I didn't feel
like they did that, and that's why that lead. They
Thomas and Harris worked their butts off to get that
lead down to one, but nobody followed their lead. That's

(01:14:44):
a problem they've got to look like the first eight
minutes against Louisville whenever they come out. There are gonna
be nights you don't make shots, that's fine, but there
can't be nights where you're just, eh, we're gonna let
this team that's, you know, across the board, like four
inches shorter than us at every position out rebound us

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for an entire game. That can't happen. The effort is
why they don't look right. When you play hard and
your energy is up and you make the other team uncomfortable,
good things happen as a result when you sit back
and half that game felt like Eastern Michigan was just

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standing in a two three zone. They weren't trying to
pressure anything. They just said, we're just gonna stand here,
and we don't think you guys can play around us.
That's embarrassing. We'll get to more of that hour three,
but I have nothing to convince you right now.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
All right, last three.

Speaker 28 (01:15:47):
Okay, Hey Tarn, Hey Chad, Jeff and New Richmond. I
hope you guys had a great Thanksgiving. Sounds like you did.
Talking about the Bengals, Glad they won last night, and
you know, the defense did play well. And but the
other part about that is, you know, you can't be
called an opportunistic defense unless you take advantage of the opportunities.

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The Bengals did last night. So kudos to them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Yeah, Jeff, I agree again. I go back to I
think the Bengals forced those opportunities. I did not get
the vibe that the Ravens were just making unforced errors
that allowed the Bengals chances they didn't deserve. I thought
the Bengals forced those turnovers. I thought the Bengals were

(01:16:39):
the aggressor. One of my new favorite terms. I used
to use it a long time ago. I've brought it back.
The Bengals dictated the terms of engagement. The fight was
on the Bengals turf, even though they were in Baltimore,
even though much maligned Bengals defense, the Angles were the aggressor.

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And when you're the aggressor, good things tend to happen.

Speaker 28 (01:17:10):
Chad, it's Jeff, Now the basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
I want to do this anymore.

Speaker 28 (01:17:15):
We do not have time for a twenty year rebuild.
This is year five of the twenty year rebuild. Not acceptable,
not even close. And now you have the football team
that is going to finish seven and six. You don't
know at what point is that acceptable. I will drink
nine hundred thousand dollars worth of since you like to

(01:17:36):
get John Cunningham.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Out, I mean John Cunningham's buyouts, I think like three
and a half four million dollars, So you have to
do a lot more drinking than that.

Speaker 29 (01:17:47):
Jeff, Hey, I was really happy to see the Bengals
one last night. I always want to see him win,
and that makes me feel good, but I'm scared it's
going to be like repeat repeat of last year, where
we just bring everybody back and say, oh, it was
just bad luck, and we'll pick somewhere in the middle
rounds and we'll get another traits guy. We have lots

(01:18:09):
of traits projects. I would like to see us get
a good draft pick and get someone like Caleb Downs,
who's been compared to Troy Palmolo. I just that's what
scares me most.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
It's fair. How many times have we talked about this
franchise struggles if they're not drafting in the top twenty
percent of a draft, And that's terrifying because if you
look at the franchises that are consistently among the NFL's best,
there's very little variants because they've learned how to draft

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twenty seventh, twenty eighth, thirtieth. The Bengals have never figured
that out. So there's a couple of years up and
then there's a big dip, and then they restock with
the one or two drafts where they're they're near the top,
and then they swing back up and it just it's
a constant, self fulfilling prophecy because they've never learned how

(01:19:07):
to draft, even from the middle to the back. If
it's not an elite pick, they've struggled. So I get it.
I completely get it, but I don't know what the
answer is because you're not sitting Joe Burrow the final
five six games of a season when he's healthy. You're

(01:19:31):
paying him over a quarter of a billion dollars. You're
not paying him that much money to not work if
he can work. So you run him out there, you
see how it goes, and more importantly, you find out
what exactly you have on defense. Is Osiah guy you

(01:19:54):
can bring back? Is Miles Murphy gonna start finally figuring
it out as you hit on something with Cedric Johnson.
You need every snap you can for Night and Carter
to try to figure this out. So I completely understand
what you're saying and the frustration of they don't do

(01:20:17):
well drafting, so why should I trust them with another
mid level draft pick, mid level mid mid mid pack
first round draft pick. Completely understandable. I get the angst,
but I don't know what the alternative is because you're

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not tanking with Joe Burrow healthy, and now you've got
five games left in the season.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Got it. That is it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
All right? We did all right? Did all right? That
wasn't a full talkback array, but it wasn't bad. Nice
job that wee can Yeah, we didn't have to go
to other stations. Can we get one from another station?
Can you pull up one from another station and just
and just see what it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
I'm afraid too, honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Okay, I've heard some just for fun, and they're not
nice over there?

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
You want to you want to screen one while we're
at break and maybe we'll play it when we come back.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
I knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Okay, let's take a break. Final segment of the second
hour coming up right after this SINZ thirty sixty right
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Speaker 7 (01:21:33):
This is football in the Natti, brought to you by
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Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
All around the world.

Speaker 11 (01:21:57):
The same.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
So we've been all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Ghostbusters too? Is that what this was?

Speaker 14 (01:22:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
How is it? Should we do it or no? In
the place as I want other talkbacks?

Speaker 22 (01:22:24):
Hey man, just to thought the getting your seat assignment
before you go to the airport. That's okay if you
want to pay for it. But I don't know most
airlines American for sure, if you want a seat assignment,
you got to pay like usually like twenty five bucks
for a basic seat.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
So thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
I mean okay with that, right, But I don't want
to just randomly be placed somewhere on a plane. I'm
usually traveling with somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
I literally just did that. Well it was by myself,
and I got randomly placed on the plane.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Yeah, if I was by myself, I don't care, Like
I'll talk to anybody, Tarran, you know that legitimately, I
will talk to anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
Not me. I was in between them of a mother
and a child.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Like in the middle. Yes, you didn't switch.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
No, well, I asked, but she didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
She didn't want She wanted that kid a seat away
to howl.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
Was a kid. Uh he had to be about six
or seven.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
And she didn't want to sit next to it. No,
are you kidding me? That's ballsy, That is ballsy. I
don't want my kid. No, sir, you sit here and
Billy is gonna sit on the other side of you.
Was the kid needy?

Speaker 11 (01:23:44):
Was he like?

Speaker 13 (01:23:44):
Mom my? Mom?

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
The whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
No, no, no, he was on his tablet the entire flight,
only about two and a half hour flights. Okay, tablet.
She was more concerned than him. He was like, Mom,
leave me alone. I know all this stuff I've flown before.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Okay, Well, maybe the kid was like, that kid's gonna
be seeking like a you know, like you can like
get a divorce from your parents at like fourteen. Yeah,
that kid's gonna be like going to a judge, like
can I get out of here? That's outstanding? The kid requested.
It is like, can we have snoop sit in between us?

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Mom? Did he talk to you only when he wanted
to snack.

Speaker 11 (01:24:27):
You?

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
Kind of like the buffer?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Okay, I was gonna do you have snacks? Like what
kind of snacks were you giving him?

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
No? No, she like cheese, it's and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Was there a tax? Was there a tearan tax? Like
you ever give me some snacks too? Huh?

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
No? No, no, he have my headphone was for the for
the most.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Part, Okay, that's a weird situation. It's a weird situation.
Would have been even weirder if it was like a
husband and wife and they were like, no, you sit here, sir,
all right, let's take break. Two hours in the books,
One more to go. Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Our number three Bengals pep rally coming up at three
o'clock on location where they at today, Tarren.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
I'm out o worst.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
They'll be coming up three to six, so make sure
you stay tuned for that. They'll be excited over sure,
Let's get this show on the road. Thank you for
choosing me for your Black Friday entertainment. Maybe you're driving

(01:26:39):
around getting some shopping done. I tend to avoid them
all like the plague on most days, so especially Black Friday.
How are you on Christmas shopping?

Speaker 11 (01:26:53):
Tern?

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
I have just started yet.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
I've got a couple of things I need to more.
I do most of them. I'm an online guy now,
Oh for sure, they they'll bring it right to your house.
I bought a I bought a hoodie for myself yesterday.
Is that bad?

Speaker 11 (01:27:15):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
You know? I I I've gotten into that that groove
being a being a single dad now that Uh, not
a lot of people buy me presents, so I gotta
buy me presents.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I'm perfectly I'm perfectly fine with it. I know what
I want, so I'll just buy myself presence, wrap them
and put them under the tree.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
I have a girlfriend now, though, so I guess I'll
get I'll get something. I I heard r Aran what
do you where are you?

Speaker 13 (01:27:57):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
What is your lance? Was talking about on Twitter that
he made a panini with all the Thanksgiving signs or
like all the Thanksgiving food on like some sour dough
panini press, Like what's your preferred method of Thanksgiving?

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
Leftovers? Just treated, just treated like Thanksgiving two point zero,
all on one plate.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
All on one plate. I saw something. I think it
was one of the barstool guys. You know what his
mom does on Thanksgiving?

Speaker 13 (01:28:30):
Taran.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
She buys a bunch of like like like pre made
pie cruss and everybody gets a Thanksgiving pie of leftovers
before they leave the house. I guess kind of like
a Thanksgiving pot pie.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
No, that's doing too much.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
And then she put well, the mom does it. You
don't have to do anything. She just hands it to
you on your way out the door, with the turkey,
the stuffing, the mashed potatoes, everything, She puts it inside
the pie and then she covers it up with like
a pie crust topping, like a you know. And then
you take it home and all you got to do

(01:29:16):
is put it in the oven, and you get like
two three days of leftover Thanksgiving dinner and like pot
pie form, you're out on that. Yes, I guess sounds
pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
So you're putting all the ingredients, Oh everything you had
into a pot pie?

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Is a single pot pie?

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Yeah, like a like a normal sized pie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Yeah no, no, no, one of the things about things
give I want to taste each individual thing by itself.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Now you just said you put it all on one plate. Yes,
but I can steal.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
I can steal pick and chees like, okay, here, I
want some just yams.

Speaker 19 (01:29:51):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
Yeah, I want some mac and cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Now okay, I don't want my greens and my mac
and cheese and then everything all smushed up together in
the pot pie. No okay, and then you probably like
the gravy on talk about No.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
I mean I still I still prefer that. What I
did one year is I took like the stuffing and
you get it to the point like where it's wet
before you put it in the oven and bake it.
And instead you put it on a waffle iron and
you make a stuffing waffle and then you put the
Thanksgiving food on top of the stuffing waffle. Would you

(01:30:26):
do that? You can still control what you eat and
when that's just got a stuffing waffle.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
Underneath it, just give me a plate.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
And I'm just trying to be creative, Tea, it's trying
to be creative.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
No need to be creative.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Let's just eat, eat, eat all the food, get it
out the way before it goes to waste.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
I because I had to get home. I didn't get
a plate leftovers today this year. Plus the turkey was
my uncle's turkey was gone. There was a small container
that I think like my uncle and my aunt and
uncle were taking home for themselves, and I felt bad.
I almost wanted to be like, you know, Tearing wants

(01:31:15):
some of that, and we'll probably talk about it on
the radio tomorrow, like how good it was if he
gets to eat some, I could have gilted her into
like a little bit. But I felt bad that guy said,
I'll get you some of Christmas. I'm here the day
after Christmas. I assume you'll be here with me and
we'll to be determined. Okay, some good college football on

(01:31:38):
right now. There was a brawl in the Egg Bowl.
Ole Miss up twenty one to ten on Mississippi State,
So Ole Miss about to put themselves in position to
be in the college football playoff, maybe without a head coach.

(01:31:59):
There seems to be some minimum building towards LSU and
Lane Kiffin. Florida seems to maybe be falling back in
that sweepstakes as it's currently constructed, So tomorrow might be
action day on Lane Kiffin, whether he stays at Ole

(01:32:19):
Miss or goes to LSU, which, boy, if you're LSU
and you fire Brian Kelly with fifty million dollars on
his contract and you can't get Lane Kiffin, where do
they go from there? And Utah in a little bit

(01:32:44):
of trouble right now, Tarren, Utah trying to hang around.
They're at thirteen. They need some help. They're probably not
going to play in the Big twelve title game, but
they're right there on the cusp at thirteen. They're not
doing themselves any favors. They are midway through the third quarter.

(01:33:05):
They're trailing fourteen to ten at Kansas, Kansas trying to
get Bowl eligible, Nebraska fall or losing. They're at halftime,
they're down twenty four to sixteen at Iowa, or they're
in Nebraska. Iowa's up twenty four to sixteen, second half,

(01:33:26):
just getting started.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
I have a question if Dylan Royola really like all that.
It's rumors he's probably going to transfer portal. He's okay, Oh,
he won't be like the number one prospect in the portal.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
I don't think I mean, I don't think so. I
think he is. I think he's really good on this
shortter intermediate stuff. I don't think he pushes the ball
down the field all that. Well, he's accurate, and if
you want a guy that's going to run like a
quick offense, accurate, quick, get the ball out, you know,

(01:34:00):
long sustained drives, moving the chains, I think he's okay.
But if you're a top team, like if you're looking
to go win a national championship, can you do that
without a guy that can push the ball down the field?

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Probably not, I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Don't think so. Later today, Georgia and Georgia Tech, and
then the big one tonight Texas A and M Texas.
That's seven thirty on ABC, and Arizona Arizona State also tonight,
two ranked teams. That one comes up at nine o'clock
on Fox. Do we have Zach from last night? I'll

(01:34:42):
let you get to it. I know it's in there somewhere,
But Zach Taylor got to be feeling at least a
little bit better. When you're the head coach and you
can look out and Joe Burrow is now slinging the
pill around for your team, it certainly makes you look
like a better coach. Let's hear from Zach last night? This,

(01:35:03):
zactly today, Oh today, all right, Well, let's hear from
Zach today.

Speaker 25 (01:35:08):
Great, nothing's new, Yeah, nothing's new. Feels good to get
a road divisional win. And you know, fun for our
guys on prime time. You get to see him having
fun after the game. That was just good. You know,
they've been putting.

Speaker 11 (01:35:23):
In work.

Speaker 25 (01:35:25):
All season long for for moments like this and to
get one and then get to you know, take a
deep breath and enjoy it and relax and have fun
and and you know that that's important. And now we'll
you know, take a couple of days here to get
our legs back underneath us and get ready to go
for Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (01:35:41):
What do you burned best yesterday? I just thought he
played football. You know.

Speaker 25 (01:35:47):
That was just good to see and you could feel
him get into a rhythm there especially, you know, some
moments moments the first half and then second half, he
just felt like he was really really on it and
just the moments where you saw him you know, kind
of break contain. It was good protection and guys getting
watched inside and he kind of extends to the right.
Made some big plays. One to Jamar, you know, that
got us the first down. That was kind of kind

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of a moment for me that I feel like I've
seen from them so many times. And the Tanner touchdown,
you know when he bought time to the right and
kind of put it in the only spot he could
possibly give it to him, you know, back shoulder. Tanner
made a great catch, but really a throw. It was
about the only spot you could put it. So I
just think, you know, he found a really good rhythm,
and it's good to check that box and play the
game and now and get back to business.

Speaker 28 (01:36:30):
Forty Last year too, is really you can parallel of
how you staying in the process like he did.

Speaker 16 (01:36:36):
Last year, and there's always hope that, yeah, if you
use those things from last year being kind of a lesser.

Speaker 11 (01:36:42):
Any time of morn.

Speaker 25 (01:36:43):
I mean, we have been in this exact same situation,
not something we really planned to play into. We just
truly have to take it one game at a time.
But I think our guys understand, like they I've never
felt like I have to have to pick them up,
like guys are straggling and not giving their best. I
haven't felt that for once, and and I think the
proof is in the pudding right there. You know, when
you when you travel in a short week and get

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the result that that the guys put on the field.
I think that shows what these guys are made of.
And we have high expectations moving forward, and you just
have to take a one game at a time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Coach, I just wanted to have to solid tape and
how Baltimore played you and I just wanted to I
thought that was maybe one of the best teams or
offensive lines played along with.

Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
The Road in the division. I mean, it just seemed
like a kind of.

Speaker 25 (01:37:31):
Yeah, I think they've they've gained great chemistry, you know,
particularly over the last several several games, they've protected well,
you know, the one sack we had was really as
much as anything, it was a corner blitz that was,
you know, formationally for me, part of the problem hard

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to see. So you know, really they protected all games, didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
Go up a sack.

Speaker 25 (01:37:57):
In my mind, the team that's going to bring a
lot of different looks and so there was a lot
of problem solving that had to take place there on
some of those known passing situations that I thought our
coaches did a great job with the plan, the players
understood the plan, they executed it, we got some big
plays out of it. But to your point, I think
the line has done some really good things for us.
Some of those runs. You know that we're running the

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ball at the end of the game. Everyone in the
world knows we're running, so it's it's pretty hairy in there,
tough looks, and they still found ways to create some
movement and give us opportunities. And really proud of the
way that those guys have stepped up for us.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
I mean, that might be one of the best format
looking guys have ever had, really.

Speaker 25 (01:38:36):
I mean, I liked the one we had there in
twenty one, you know, finished with the samaj run. Yeah,
that was a good one too, So yeah, I'm not
gonna put it up there as the top one, but
you know, those are tough situations where you gotta find
yardage and and you know, they did a good job
of that.

Speaker 10 (01:38:51):
They seemed like it was I mean, I know, you
said the zero blitzed I guess on the most four
three times on the coin.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
Yeah, said they didn't zoo blitz that for that, but
it seems like people, wow, that's more low red zone.

Speaker 25 (01:39:04):
You know, we weren't really in the low red zone
after that, So that's a little bit unique for him,
not unique for them, but that's in the in the
low red. That's kind of what you have to expect
from them, and it can be hairy. And we've obviously
had issues in the past right there in that same spot,
same in zone, so we've always got to look to
find ways to do a better job there. But you know,
it's I thought the touchdown of Yoshi, you know, is

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a pressure look that we talked about a lot, and
guys stepped up there and executed perfectly. Smag you did
a great job skinning across. Joe sat there with excellent
poise and saw the coverage and made the throw to Yoshi.

Speaker 15 (01:39:38):
A lot of big plays by the defense obviously, Well
you go back and watch the film.

Speaker 5 (01:39:42):
The players were in battle many that knocked the ball.

Speaker 15 (01:39:45):
Where does that kind of stack up with all those
players in that game based on Yeah, I'm a game,
they would have been fourteen three if they.

Speaker 25 (01:39:50):
Got down there and then just again and it's huge,
that's huge, and it's just you know, that's that's tremendous
effort by by Jeordan on that play and just to
not give up. And well, I think there was three
guys almost involved there. I know GD was one of them.
If I remember correctly, of all trying to get in
there and slow him down and give an opportunity knock

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the ball out, and those plays we show every Friday,
you know, we show our defense finishing those plays, usually
with possession of the ball like like Gino had last
week through the end zone and scoring and and showing
how devastating that can be if that happens to you.
So that's not happened to you, and our guys kind
of buying into that and making sure they can find
a different way to experience that moment where we knocked

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the ball out instead of scoring. And so I uh,
that was a huge play, huge momentum change. You're right,
the game could maybe go in a different direction if
they had that momentum at home, and so that was
that's a big play for us.

Speaker 15 (01:40:46):
I say, Kimber, which was the Thursday night game in
nineteen seventeen game you guys had the down at the
goal line, you got ripped up the red zone plan
after that that was earlier, I think it was a
week five. But anything off of the red well this
in this game that you think could lead to taking
a different look and maybe we guys.

Speaker 25 (01:41:05):
Do know they're always tough, they're they're they're always present,
difficult down there. And we scoured the tape and and
come up with what we are planing we really like
and it's just difficult, you know. And and so it
didn't come our away on that one. And we'll keep
working to to be good in the We've been really
good in the low reds on this year, really good.
And so we're not going to change anything from what

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we're doing. But obviously, you know, I was talking game
the game. Different defenses present different challenges, and they got
us on that series, and and uh, you know, two
weeks from now, we'll play them again and give another
opportunity with the night like the defense had yesterday.

Speaker 15 (01:41:40):
And then you know, closing the game out like you did,
you know in the games that you lost to talk
about just finding a way to close the game out,
just get a win.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
How much can that move me to build.

Speaker 9 (01:41:54):
Off of a night like that as you guys try
to stack these wins onto the rest.

Speaker 13 (01:41:59):
Of the year.

Speaker 11 (01:41:59):
It can.

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
Obviously, we're gonna have to put the work in.

Speaker 25 (01:42:02):
We haven't played Buffalo, it feels like in a while,
so there's a lot of work that guys are gonna
have to buy into next week. But I thought finishing
the game on something that we've just been preaching since
Al walked in the door here, you know, forcing these fumbles,
and so for JD and DJ to finish the game
the way they did on defense this series, before their
final three plays or whatever it was, I thought it

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was just a big moment for us. It's something we've
been preaching, We've been working like crazy. We've said it's
gonna come. You just never know when that damn's gonna break.
And so to finish the turnover day like that with
the guy punching the ball out, ripping the ball out,
DJ picking it up, I thought that was a big
moment for us that we got to capitalize on. The
guys have now seen it. Okay, this this stuff's paying
off for us, and it's fun when it happens and

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it can change the games, and they've been buying in,
but now to see the payoff I think gives a
lot of confidence to them and our team moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
There you go, Zach Taylor from from just a little
bit ago down at a pay course stadium as the
Bengals will enjoy a couple of days off before getting
back at it in preparation for Buffalo. He didn't. He
brought up something that I forgot to mention. The throaty
Yoshivash doesn't happen if samaj Pteran doesn't sell uh sell

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out to to get a hand on get a body
on a blitzer from the from the blind side. That's winning.
That's the toughness plays. You know a guy that it
looked like he was going to get past him and
he was going to have a free path at Burrow

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and p Ran just lunged back into the picture and
gets enough on him to send his momentum past the quarterback.
Joe stepped up, fired a deep bomb and had a
perfect throw. And you don't get a perfect throw then
if the pressure gets home. So one of those winning plays.

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We talk about winning plays a lot, and it's not
always just the throw in the catch. It's the stuff
that makes the throw in the catch possible. Just take
a break, I will. I'll get into some Bearcats goodness
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Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
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which we can't. I mean, I don't even know if
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Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
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Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
I'm just gonna like, I mean, they're phenomenal, but I'm
just not about to try.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
To well, they say a word that I'm not allowed
to say, and you're not allowed to play on the
radio like seventy three times. So it's that one you're
not I don't think you're gonna be able to clean
that one up, but you know what needs cleaned up
arn the offense for Wes Miller's Cincinnati Bearcats. We are

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seven games in, so I don't don't like to freak out, like,
you know, three four games in and you know you
have a bad couple games and the numbers are are
disproportionately bad. We're seven games in on a thirty one
game season, like you're starting to get a pretty clear picture.

(01:46:22):
It's like twenty percent of the season. Maybe a little
less than that, but like you're getting to a point
where the picture is starting to get a little more clear.
Cincinnati on Ken Palms two hundred and fourteen on offense,
and that's weighted with stuff like numbers fixed in from

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last year still in the formula. If you go to
bart Torvik, which is another really good analytics site, they
take the weights out, so it's just on what you
have done in this season. They're in the three hundreds

(01:47:09):
on offense through seven games. It wasn't that there was
supposed to be a bigger focus on offense, a focus
on scoring and running good offense and putting guys in

(01:47:31):
position to make shots. And they're in the three hundreds.
They just lost a game to Eastern Michigan where they
scored fifty six points, and it wasn't like, here's the

(01:47:52):
biggest problem with that game. Normally, and look, especially in
twenty twenty five, there are going to be some nights
where you've got a new team and you just don't
play well and they're struggling to have any connectivity and

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shots aren't falling, and the other team plays great and
you lose. That happens. That wasn't the case on Wednesday night.
Just wasn't the case. Eastern Michigan was seven of twenty
one from three thirty three percent. Like that's okay, But

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it wasn't. Like they played a team that hit fifty
plus percent of their threes and just went crazy scoring
three points at a time, and they made twelve, thirteen,
fourteen threes and it was just too much for you
to overcome. They won the rebounding battle. Cincinnati's defense, which

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is supposed to be Look, Bobba Miller's out, Jalen Celestine's out.
We know Jalen Haynes is out and has been out.
So you're dealing with some injuries, but some injuries at
one position should not torpedo any chance of success. In comparison,

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Eastern Michigan shot fifty two percent from two. Cincinnati shot
forty four percent from two. Eastern Michigan shot thirty three
percent from three. Cincinnati shot twenty four percent from three.
Eastern Michigan was better at the free throw line nineteen
of twenty two to eleven of fourteen. They out rebounded Cincinnati.

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Cincinnati only had one more assist. Eastern Michigan turned the
ball over seventeen times, seventeen times, twenty five percent of
their possessions. Eastern Michigan turned it over, and they still

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never trailed. Cincinnati never led by a point, and actually
I don't think the game was tied outside of zero
to zero because Eastern Michigan scored first. It was ten
to nine at one point, and then Eastern Michigan went

(01:50:33):
on a seventeen to one run to go up twenty
seven to ten in the first half. They had a
big lead at halftime, twenty one to ten or wait,
thirty six to twenty three. Sorry, thirteen point lead at halftime,

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and then Cincinnati, knowing that they had to come out
and really turn it up, down thirteen to start the
second half, scored four points in the opening segment. The
first ten minutes of the second half, Cincinnati scored six.
They turned it on over the final ten minutes finally

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and scored twenty seven points. But they scored ten points,
thirteen points, and six points through their opening thirty minutes
of that game. It broken down in ten minute segments
and if Wes Miller is going. They have to get
this team in the tournament. It's his fifth year here,
it's his third year in the Big Twelve. They went

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the way of complete roster overhaul. They've got some talented pieces.
You've got one of the better front courts and Baba
Miller and Mustapha Cham in the league. And you let
Eastern Michigan, who after the win, saw a significant bump

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in their Ken Pom. They were in the like the
mid two hundreds, two fifty something to two sixty something.
They're not one ninety seven. Cincinnati was in the upper forties,
like forty three. I think now they're seventy one in
ken Pom because their offense is two one hundred and fourteenth.

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They're sixth in ken Pom on defense, sixth two hundred
and fourteen on offense. But all of that aside. Here's
I think the biggest problem for this fan base is
that this is now. I don't think this was an

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issue the first three years. I thought Wes Miller's teams
that the last two years in the American the first
year in the Big Twelve, I thought they played really hard.
They might not have had the talent, they might not
have been good enough on offense, but Cincinnati fans will
cut you some slack if your teams play really hard.

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Last year's team did not play hard. It's one of
the main things we talked about all season. Team does
not play inspiring basketball. It's not a fun brand of
basketball to watch. Guess what. You go back to New
Jersey in jit New Jersey Institute of Technology on Monday.

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They came out of that game in that game flat
and they were just significantly more talented in that game,
and they were able to pull away. But the signs
were there. Unfortunately, the frustrating part is what we saw
against Louisville, a team that looked like it played really hard,

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a team that looked like it really cared. Louisville was better,
but Cincinnati lost by ten in a back and forth
game to a top ten team. Okay, you've got my attention.
But then they don't play well for the first twelve

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fifteen minutes against NJI. Kudos to them for turning it around,
but they again didn't flip the switch early against Eastern Michigan,
and Eastern Michigan put a seventeen to one run on
them and Cincinnati could never get back to where they
need to be. They never could get back to taking

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control of the game. It's poor offensive numbers. They're two
to h nine in effective field goal percentage, they're two
forty five in turnover percentage, they're two seventy four in
offensive rebound rate, two seventy four and three point percentage made,

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three point twenty one in free throw percentage made. It's
not good enough. And some of it is as simple
as effort. Some of it is as simple as your
guys are going out there against these by teams and

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just expecting to roll the ball out and win. Guess what,
those guys have scholarship players too, And more often than not,
you're you're gonna be able to play poorly and still
win those games. But every once in a while you
can't figure it out, you can't get up off the mat,

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and you lose. And now you've got the Crosstown shoot
Out a week away. You've got Georgia, You've got Cleansing
Xavier eighty nine, and Ken Pom Cincinnati seventy one. For
the first time since these teams were constructed, Ken Palm

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has this as a loss for Cincinnati. They have Xavier
seventy three, Cincinnati seventy one. Given where these two teams started,
Cincinnati can't win that game Friday, the heat is going
to get smoldering on West Miller's seat. Then you got

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a week off, You go to Atlanta, you play Georgia.
You're predicted to lose that game eighty to seventy three.
And then the following week you've got Clemson in Greenville.
You're predicted to lose that game seventy four to sixty seven.
You have a twenty eight percent chance to be Georgia,
a twenty six percent chance to be Clemson. If you

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lose those three games, there's a potential that you're sitting
at what eight and five going into the Big twelve.
That's if you don't lose another by game, and the
first game on deck January third is Houston. It is

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not at a point where it's too late for this
team to figure it out. But what's the old saying,
it's getting late early. It's getting late early for this group.
They have a very short time to figure it out
or it's going to be a long winter at the

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Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
All Right, we are short on time, so I got
a couple of minutes here. Let's let's go to the phones.
We'll get to Dave and reading.

Speaker 8 (01:58:11):
Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
What's going on, Hey, Jed, how's it going?

Speaker 13 (01:58:16):
Yeah, pretty good? I guess great, great up there last night. Uh,
I just want to say, I'm a huge Bengal fan,
and you see, especially basketball fan, but I like the
football program too. I was just furious Wednesday night should
be I I'll be honest with you. I didn't listen
to the game because I wanted to hear the Roundtable
rock the end of Lance and turned it off at

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the end. I thought they were maybe like winning by
five or somebody told about a tone. But uh, first
I want to go on records saying I love coach
Miller's passion and uh, and then in his dedication, I
think that's his whole life. He's just so dedicated game.
But that being a side I've gone to records saying,
I've got a lot of golf for it. But I

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just I just don't think he's a good bench coach.
And I I already met coach Brannon twice, don't really
you know, know him well. But I just thought he
got a roll deal here. I thought he was a
very good best coach and we had some stinkers. There
were some stinkers when he was coaching there Kylie last night.
But it just always seemed to me when it was

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a close game, you see, he was always pulling it out.
I was always listening to radio because back then it
was never on TV like a lot of times now,
and uh, it's just always somebody pulled it out. And
it don't seem that way with me. But I was
okay with for one thing. I said, Well, I thought
he was gonna be a lot better recruiter, and I
think he probably would have been better than coach Brannon.

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But it's not working. Chad. I just want to know
your closest situation, what's your feelings on U on this?

Speaker 11 (01:59:48):
And before before you.

Speaker 13 (01:59:49):
Answer, do you want to say one thing you just
sitting for about the Bengals. It is true about about
the black pier I made. It was saying it was great,
just the a chip he made, but Joseph of a
pocket just off.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
Yeah, he wouldn't have been able to step up in
the pocket if he Eryan didn't get the chick. Yeah.
I mean that that's a winning play. The problem is,
you see, doesn't make enough winning plays like they look.
I've known John Brandon since nineteen ninety five. We went
to college together. I've known John forever. It just didn't

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work here, and for a lot of reasons, COVID and
he had some stuff going on in his personal life
and there was kind of a disconnect that they never
really were able to overcome. That's in the past. It
is what it is. It's in the past. It didn't
work out right less, his teams don't play good enough offense,

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and the last two teams at least, what we've seen
through seven games of this team is that their effort
isn't there, not on a night to night consistent Cincinnati
expectation like that's what this The foundation of this basketball
program is playing hard, and his teams have not paid

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hard enough the past two years.

Speaker 13 (02:01:09):
They haven't They've never gotten They never get a top
recruiting hut Tops.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
They always please hugs, got a lot of top recruits,
but it seems still always played hard as hell. That
was non effort, was non negotiable.

Speaker 11 (02:01:27):
Okay, let me ask you this real quick, Dave.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
I gotta go. I'm no real quick, real quick.

Speaker 13 (02:01:32):
Okay, I'm signed the old man Alan here. But it
just seems like maybe he's afraid you. Coach Branton had
trouble with guys jumping ship and stuff. With the way
things are today with kids, maybe you can't be as
hard on them as like.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
That's I mean, it's part of it, it's part of it.
But look, tom Izzo still works like that. There are
guys out there that Danny Hurley still works like that.
You know, Natoates is hard on his team and they're
really good. Like and thanks. I appreciate the call, Dave.
You can be hard on your team and still win
like get that that.

Speaker 5 (02:02:08):
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
I don't buy that. One more break, we'll get to
mister Ace. Mister Ace is gonna be our moagger for
quick hits more after this.

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W ckwise see three sixty quick hits on ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
All right, final segment of the day before turning it
over to the Bengals pep rally And since Mo is
not in, uh, we'll go to my guy, mister Ace
as my guest for quick hits. Mister A's we got
about two and a half minutes. What do you got
for me.

Speaker 11 (02:02:54):
Four and a half minutes? I guess some quick hits? Man,
Let me see, let me see. I think I feel
as though witted waking up for the first time in
many years of the after Thanksgiving Day hosting hangover of
having to clean up more stuff because we didn't host
so I could stop, drop and roll with excitement. As

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a result of that, number two quick hit would be
I did not get up this morning at the crack
of done trying to make it out to any type
of sale. I pretty much did most of my stuff.
I even helped my mom for the first time ever
in history. Mama Ace, that's right, Grandmama Ace actually ordered
some stuff on line, so I was very happy about that.

(02:03:37):
She placed two orders on the line. She was worried
because something didn't ship complete, and she was like, I
don't think that's the right amount. So she had questions,
but she got through it. She got through it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
There we go.

Speaker 11 (02:03:53):
But I must say, I guess if we're gonna hit
on some stuff, still fire Zach Taylor, and I do
hope after a win on Saturday. Yes, Fire, is that Taylor?
He's a bum win. Yes, he's a bum like Austin Elmore.
Like Austin Elmore, he continuously snatches the seat from the

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jobs of victory. Oh fight, a win, despight a win
if you could not win and you had a quarterback
putting up the numbers that you had without Joe Burrow,
and you only win because Joe Burrow was there, and
he got the team to rally around and hopefully maybe
run off of all these other games. And because our
team is so cheap, they will keep him around. I mean, hey, fire, Taylor,

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here are my other thing. Fire. You see his football
coach hire Tony Pike, and hopefully that will do a
whole lot of great. So actually, I don't even want
to see you see his coach get fired.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
I want him to.

Speaker 11 (02:04:48):
Get another job. Just get him, get to get out
of town, because he's doing what he's done every year.
He wins a few games and he starts stinking it
up towards the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
Well, the problem has been teams have been at the
end of the season and he hasn't proven he can
beat the good teams. That part got to prove you
can beat the good teams.

Speaker 11 (02:05:07):
What if he surplises and wins a game this week,
team may possibly have somebody to be like, let's take
a chance on his clown man, get him out of
time to get piked in as coach.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
Appreciate you, mister Ace. Glad you had a good Thanksgiving,
and uh have a good weekend as well, Tarn We
did it. We got through the day after Thanksgiving. Nobody
took a nap and we we made it.

Speaker 4 (02:05:32):
We'll still got three more hours.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
Yeah, but you can kind of nap through that one. Right, No,
good luck to you. I'm going home. That's gonna do it.
We will see you on the flip side. Hope everybody
has a great weekend. Happy to hear you had a
great Thanksgiving and let's do it. Since he thirty sixty, right,
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