November 11, 2025 • 47 mins
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It's Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
If you're familiar with the schedule at this point, you
know that that means our guy, Joe Danoman is going
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to get to with the Cincinnati Bengals. More on Joe
Burrow from yesterday. We'll go around the NFL Awards. We
did not get to those yesterday. Going into the second
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half of the season, we did not get to our
NFL superlatives. We've got maction to discuss and a whole
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Speaker 2 (01:58):
Austin.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I feel like things around LSU are gonna get a
little dicey. Brian Kelly is now going back at LSU.
LSU is claiming that it has not formally terminated the coach.
They are trying to find ways for Cause to get
rid of Brian Kelly, which would avoid paying a full
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buy out of nearly fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I'm not a big Brian Kelly guy. Matter of fact,
they can't stand the guy at all, but good for him.
Why should he not try to get as much money
as possible. Yeah, I think I actually sided with BK
on this one. I mean, fifty three million, that's a
lot different than twenty five or thirty yep. I mean,
go get your bag, man, get your bag, coach, go
get your Why negotiate a deal like that if you're
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not going to make the most of it, agreed NBA action.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Nico Harrison expected to be fired as the general manager
of the Dallas Mavericks today. It's just not gone well
for Nico Harrison. Obviously, the Luka Doncic and who Luca
is still becoming. They got Anthony Davis for him. That
has been a disaster. And I thought Austin that maybe
winning the lottery and getting Cooper flag would be enough
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to save Nico's job. They've started three and eight on
the season. They are trending in the wrong direction, and
the Mavericks are moving in a new direction and moving
on from Nico Harrison.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, I mean, it just hasn't seemed to work out.
And the way that Nico has kind of carried himself
in the aftermath of the Luca trade and kind of
the arrogance that comes with it. The MAVs really, ever
since Mark Cuban had kind of stepped back, have made
a lot of questionable decisions. But I think a lot
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of MAVs fans are happy with the news today that
Nico is no longer going to be the GM.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Speaking of the former mentioned Luka Doncik. He had thirty eight,
six and seven last night to help the Lakers get
off to an eight and three start.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I saw that Lebron has begun practicing with the G
League Lakers. Yeah, so it won't be long now till Lebron,
who checks notes is almost fifty, will return to action
in the Association. Also, you're gonna talk about Wimby last night.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Victor Wimbin Yamah thirty eight twelve five five. Spurs outscore
the Bulls by thirteen in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, as we know, basketball season doesn't start until the
Monday after the Super Bowl. Yep. That being said, I
don't know how you're supposed to defend Wemby on those
last two possessions for the Spurs. Nope. I mean, nobody
on planet Earth can defend that into his credit. He
buried those triples. They are eight and two. I forgot
they got dearon Fox as well. He's back in the fold.
That's a good, good, young and fun Spurs team from
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NBA Action to Maction. We've got Maction tonight and tomorrow,
Ken State, Akron tonight, Ohio, Western Michigan tonight tomorrow Buffalo
and Central Michigan, Northern Illinois and Massachusetts and Toledo travels
to Yag Stadium to take on the Miami RedHawks. I'm
all with it. We got Maction back, baby.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
We've got college basketball to discuss today. We will devote
a segment to this in the show today. But the
cliff note version not a good night at the Centas
Center last night for the Xavier Musketeers.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Well, thankfully nobody was there to see it. Yeah, sparse crowd.
I could not believe the pictures I saw. And you know,
the game was had started to get out of hand,
but in the second half there was like fifteen people.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, crazy sparse. Last night, Santa Clara was up nineteen
at the half. They were up thirty with just over
two minutes left in the game. It ends as a
nineteen point win for Santa Clara. They beat Xavier. We
have not seen yet, Austin a Richard Patino grade tweet. Yeah,
I mean, listen to do it when you win, you
got to do it when you lose.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I agree. I like Richard Patino, I like his vibe.
I respect that he has done this, But you're going
to lose my respect real quick if you don't do
the grades when you lose. Yep. We need it today, Yep,
we need it. Today's all part of the process there,
Richard yep.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
College basketball tonight, top twenty five matchup Creighton at Gonzaga,
Top twenty five matchup Texas Tech at Illinois Top I
think top ten matchup both in the top ten or
just outside of the top ten. The Louisville Cardinals hosting
the Kentucky Wildcats now twelve Kentucky's nine.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Is Mark Pope going to be there? He's got jury duty.
I think he got out of jury duty. Okay, he's
gonna be there. I think he was able to get
out of jury duty. It would be really funny if
he came in right as the game started, like all disheveled, yep,
as if he had just got back from the courthouse,
sat on the jury. That'd be kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Also, tonight, Dayton is at Fifth Third Arena to take
on the Cincinnati Bearcats.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Love that it's being played at fifth Third.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
We will recap the Xavier game. You'll hear from Richard Patino.
That's a top ten game too. Sure you see in
Dayton absolutely top ten in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Absolutely, without a doubt, maybe top five. Would Xavier be
in the top ten in the state of Ohio right now? Boy,
it's a good question. I mean, Young Sound State's up there, Yeah,
right state, Ohio State, right state, Toledo has a decent program. Oh,
yu'll Miami the Bobby's Yeah. I mean I don't know
that Zavier would make the top ten in the state
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of Ohio right now based off that performance. Lastly, yeah,
Cleveland State another good team man, Ohio Northern Wow, let's go,
let's go. Just I mean, these are just last thoughts
I have.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Last night Eagles Packers a defensive contest.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Were you entertained by that game? Not?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Really, Okay, I was, I've just not been entertained watching
Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love. Now we saw a game
on Thursday Night Football that was ten to seven with
the Broncos and the Raiders. And you watch that game
and you think, I don't think these two teams are
that good. Then you get to Monday Night Football the
final score is ten to seven, and you know that
those teams are better.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Than that score indicates. I was entertained by the game
last night. Now was it? You know what? I have
been more entertained if it was fifty six to fifty. Yeah, sure.
But also trying to figure out what is going through
the head of each of the offensive play callers and
also seeing just how good those defenses are. I found
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that to be entertaining.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I just when I look at these teams, I go
back to the quarterback play. I just don't know how
much I trust Jordan Love And right now it doesn't
feel like Jalen Hurts wants to be much of a runner.
I don't know how much I trust him as just
a passer. To me, it starts and stops with the
quarterback play. And you've got a green Bay team last night.
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I get it. Philly's a good team. Green Bay's also
lost to the Panthers and the Browns. Those are in
explicable losses for Matt Lafleur and the Green Bay Packers,
and it brings me to more of a I guess
the the NFC as a whole, And we'll spend some
time talking about the AFC because I want to bring
that back to the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll talk about that
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as we go in hour number one. But the NFC, Austin,
you could make a case for the Seahawks. You could
surely make a case for the Rams. You can make
a case for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You can make
a case for the Detroit Lions. You could make a
case for the Green Bay Packers. The Bears are six
and three. You can make a case for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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I just feel like there's a lot of seats at
the table in the NFC, and I don't know how
that shakes out. Who is your who is your top
dog in the NFC?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Right now? I still lean towards Detroit, Okay, that's who
I think.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
By the way, then we talked about this a little
bit yesterday. Detroit had one really subpar offensive performance in
a loss against the Kings, and out of nowhere, Dan
Campbell's now calling place for the vikings for the For
the Lions.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I don't know if I would say it was one.
There's been concerns about the efficiency of their offense and
disconnect for a while. I mean it's even early on
against the Bengals, they weren't the best. Those problems carried
over to the Chiefs, and you know, the Tampa game,
they just kind of ran away with it. But following
along with some of the people in Detroit that's been
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bubbling for a little while with their offensive coordinator and
Dan Campbell, at his credit, said you know what, I'm
going to take care of this.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But I think there is a path that you can
make arguments for Super Bowl contenders for the Eagles, the Seahawks,
the Lions, the Bucks, the Rams, the Packers, all out
of the NFC for sure. We'll tie that back to
the AFC as we go.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I think today the two best teams in the NFC
might be Tampa and Seattle. That doesn't necessarily mean they're
going to be the last one standing. Tampa's dealing within injuries,
uh ye, Seattle obviously in that division is difficult. I'm
not buying Philly as the best team in the NFC.
I don't think that they are especially offensively, but I
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mean the margin you know between those tiers very very thin. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
MLB, they got their awards coming down this week throughout
the week.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I believe in the cojuur of the years.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, last night they announced the Rookies of the Year, Nick.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Kurtz from the Oathlymics and the Sacramento the Braves catcher
Drake Baldwin. Yeah, so there's your Rookie of the Years.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Do you remember when Nick Kurtz hit a four and
ninety three foot grand slam off of Scott barlowep I
was launched afore mentioned Scott Barlow. You and I talked
Barlow a little bit today. I like Scott Barlow.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Patnar Doozy, he's in the crosshairs today. Do you have
the audio? So Patnar Doozy. Game Day is going to Pittsburgh,
and you and I talked about this before the show.
Saturday is not going to be a terrible weather game.
But that field. I always go back to Hinesfield, That's
how I know it. But the field in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh
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plays on the same field as obviously the Pittsburgh Steelers.
It's garbage as someone who played there in college. That
field is awful as it is.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They're big complates about that field for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Or the Panthers will play and host college game Day.
They're going to play Notre Dame on Saturday, and then
on Sunday the Bengals will play against the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Where does game day set up for a game like that?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I don't know, but the remark from Pat Nordoozy took
me back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I don't know if the question is in this audio
or not, but I believe he was asked about, you know,
winning this game and what it means, because it's not
tied to what they're doing in the ACC.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
He was asked if it was a must win against
Notre Dame. Is a must land for this team? Comes
to something absolutely not. You know, it is not an
ACC game. I'm laf glad you brought that up. It's
not an ACC game, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I gladly get beat one hundred and three or one
hundred and ten to ten in that game.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
They could put one hundred up on us and I.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Was going the next two after that, but it can
Our focus is on on Notre Dame. And they getting
his big wins in cham Did did he just say
I gladly get beat one hundred and ten to ten. Yes,
And you could always tell when something is a story
because you could immediately hear people all start typing.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, and he realized afterwards, yep, what he said, and
he's like, but again, our focus is on Notre Dame
and getting as many wins as we can.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Just a bad, bad look. I mean, he's not necessarily
wrong when it comes to the ACC, but you should
never go so far to one side that you're thinking, oh, yeah,
we can when you know we can lose by one
hundred and we're fine. They control their own destiny at Pittsburgh,
take the pressure off of you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
They are five and one in conference, so is Virginia
and Georgia Tech. But down the stretch Pittsburgh has to
play number ten Notre Dame, at number seventeen Georgia Tech,
and then home verse number eighteen Miami. So if they
win their last two, like Nordoozy said, they will play
for an ACC title. Easier said than done. With two
teams in the top twenty after a top ten matchup
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this weekend, does.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
This like, is that kind of like a subtle shot
at Notre Dame? I think so for not being in
the ACC.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I do think it is a little bit okay, which
I'm okay with.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
What else do we have in today's day and age.
It really doesn't matter now. Previously, you know, under a
previous college football playoff, I think it did matter for
Notre Dame to get into a playoff into a conference.
Nowadays it doesn't benefit them to do so. Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Lastly, segment one, we get the awesome chance to talk
about sports and try to have as much fun as
we do every single day. What we do would not
be possible without sacrifices that so many people have made.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Uh.
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you on Veterans Day and every other day as well.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
We need a break, well said.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
When we return, let's dive back into Joe Burrow conversations
that we had yesterday and the likelihood of Joe Burrow
coming back and playing. We'll start with that. We'll add
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All Right, the big news yesterday was obviously Joe Burrow
returning in a limited to practice. His twenty one day
window is open. But it's not just about the twenty
one day window. As we learned yesterday Austin from Jay
Glazier and hearing Joe Burrow himself, there's a expedited timeline
that Joe Burrow has set and a goal that I
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think has remained very clear to him. And if you
heard at all, Austin carried it at the end of
the show yesterday. It bled over a little bit into
the Tony and Mo Football Show, but Joe Burrow was
asked about, you know, the importance and how much it
would mean to him to get back and play on
Thanksgiving against the Baltimore Ravens, and Austin, I felt like
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the conviction in which he spoke about that that's the
goal he he wants to start against the Baltimore Ravens
on the road. The question remains, and I think the
biggest pushback yesterday. You see it everywhere. Joe Burrow doesn't
play defense. So what's the point. It's a team that
has scored thirty eight and forty two and back to
back weeks and they've lost. It's a team that's three
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and six with the season melting away. They got to
go to Pittsburgh where they're a four and a half
point underdog this week. The New England Patriots, who are
arguably the hottest team in the AFC, come into town
the week after and at three and six. If they
lose the next two and they're three and eight, does
it really make much sense to bring Joe Burrow back?
My question would be, Austin, if they beat Pittsburgh, does
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Joe Burrow try to play against the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's the thought that I have the way I look
at everything, and the more I've thought about it and
listen to Joe talk yesterday, I think the whole thing
is if they beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, he will play
no matter what on Thanksgiving. If they lose to the
Pittsburgh Steelers, he will push to play against New England,
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I think. And if they don't lose, if they don't
win either of those games, he won't play at all.
But basically, if they are to go one and one
over the next two, then Burrow will do everything in
his power to play on Thanksgiving. That's my guess because
as was talked about yesterday and Joe said, the only
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real path to the playoffs that we have is to
win the AFC North, correct, And those games are incredibly important.
And let's say they do beat Pittsburgh on Sunday. Let's
say that happens, and let's say they lose to New
England like we all expect them to be to lose.
So then they would be four and seven with six
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games to go, three of which are AFC North games.
We would be talking again about can the Bengals go
on one of these runs when reel off five six
games in a row, that could get them back to
the playoffs. That I think is the internal hope. Now,
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does any of this change the fact that they have
an awful de No, it doesn't, But I think that's
got to be where their mind is at when you're
trying to do anything to find a path back to
the playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I again, this to me, it's hard because if this
team were coming off performances like they had against Denver
in Minnesota, then you're like, all right, Burrows back, let's
push this thing into overdrive. The fact that they had
just lost two games in a row, giving up thirty
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eight and for scoring thirty eight and forty two.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I get the pushback of what's the point it doesn't
change the defense. Maybe there are things over the bye
week that they have identified that they think will make
a legitimate, legitimate difference to the defense. Maybe there is,
I hope so, because if they can get just incrementally
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better in a couple different areas, then maybe you're talking
about a team that, with the offense to firepower, can
push a stretch run like they went on last year.
But there's also the part of the injury to Burrow
that I think will be the most fascinating part about
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this is because we've talked all along in Burrow's recovery
that what Joe Flacco has seemingly unlocked is helping the
running game because he's got the ability to go under
center and even had taken it a step further. And
you know, if Joe Burrow can have Joe Flacco around
to maybe push the idea of how he can go
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under center and help in that sense, maybe Joe Burrow
would want to do it more. The worrisome part to
me is the tow, not when he's throwing, because I
was I was a little surprised Austin when they showed
video of him yesterday. In practice, he moved well, looked
very normal, not a noticeable limp. I didn't even think
he would have cleats on. Yet he had cleats on.
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He's moving around in stretch lines, he's throwing the ball,
and as a quarterback perspective, I don't think that it's
the throwing that's going to be the concern because for
a right handed quarterback, you're driving off your right foot.
That's not going to bother him. But the thought for
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me of Joe Burrow trying it all to line up
under center, and if you can imagine a right handed
quarterback lining up under center, they pivot with the right
leg and then you're going to push off with the left.
That to me is where I think it would become
an issue for Joe Burrow. Is he going to be
able to consistently go under center, flip his hips and
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drive off the inside part of that left foot. That
to me would be a question mark, which then gets
us right back into the dilemma we had. This offensive
line is not as good at a shotgun as they
are under center. There are still holes on the offensive line,
The defense still isn't good. Is it worth it at
that point if they lose the next to Austin I
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still think Joe Burrow is clamoring to play.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I'm sure he'll clamor.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Is it the job of the organization if they're three
and eight and essentially mathematically eliminated, is it the job
of the organization to say, we hear you, we see you,
but you are not playing this year.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I think when you think about what is best for
the franchise, it is not playing Joe Burrow number one.
Those games essentially become meaningless and they have struggled to
draft as it is, So if you lose those games,
all it does is help you get a better player
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in the draft. Secondly, you still have two rookies starting
on your offensive line, and Dylan Fairchild and Jalen Rivers,
and they're going to get every opportunity to start over
the course of the rest of the season, and you
really don't want Burrow to have any sort of re injury,
whether that's to his toe, or otherwise going into the offseason. Now,
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I want Joe to play. I'm sure the Bengals want
Joe to play. I'm sure Joe wants to play. But
when you think of it through the lens of what
is best for the betterment of the franchise, putting him
out there in meaningless games, yep, that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Qualify, especially with so many questions you've got to already
figure out. You've got so much to figure out on
this team. Do you really want to be trying to
figure out if you have all the answers on the
O line while still putting Joe Burrow back there.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I also think Joe understands that possibility, because he said
he was asked I think by Dan Hord and others
about the wins and losses and you know, the variables
that go into it. And I think he also understands
it's a real possibilit if we lose these games that
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I don't get to play at all.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I applaud Joe Burrow. I love everything about who he is.
I love his work ethic, the desire to not only
get back, but to completely blow away the time frame
that many people have been given. And I think the
peelback that Jake Glazier gave of the mindset of Joe
Burrow and how he wanted to get back. I have
so much respect for that as someone on a smaller
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scale who's went through multiple injuries and know the mental
toll just as well as the physical that it can take.
I applaud Joe for wanting to be back and be
back so quick, But you also have to think about
the long term future as well. You've got to think
about this organization, and that, to me, Austin raises a
bigger question and it's something we alluded to yesterday and
I'll go back to it today. You started the start
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of this year, the conversation in the AFC was around Buffalo,
Kansas City, and Baltimore. And there are folks out there
that still believe Buffalo can can get things figured out,
that Kansas City is the most dangerous team just because
they've been there so many times, and there are a
lot of folks I believe the Baltimore Ravens are gonna
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win the AFC North, that the betting favorite, and they
are going to be a dangerous out in the playoffs.
But the issue that I see across the AFC is.
I don't see Buffalo or Baltimore or Kansas City going
away next year. I still see them as a contender
in the AFC. The things that I did not account
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for was Indianapolis being this far ahead of schedule, seemingly
not going anywhere anytime soon. The Denver Broncos rookie quarterback
Bo Nicks not going anywhere soon. They've won seven games
in a row. The New England Patriots rookie quarterback building
the team around him with seven games in a row,
are not going anywhere soon. At eight and two. The
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Steelers seem to always have at least some say. Los
Angeles Chargers are seven to three. Seven and three, and
they lost both tackles Joe Alt and Rashaun Slater. They
are still competitive. The Jacksonville Jaguars, say what you want
about the meltdown this past weekend. Under Liam Cohen, I
think are going to be a better team. The Houston
Texans don't seem to be that far off. We've talked
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about the fight that the Miami Dolphins have shown. What
I'm getting at the AFC is going to be deeper
and more talented next year. So while it would be
great for Joe Burrow to come back if they're playing
meaningful football. If they're not playing meaningful football, you have
way too many questions as a team on both sides
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of the ball to answer so that you can try
to get it figured out and be a competitive team
next year. Because we're still Austin. Are we still operating
in the Joe Burrow super Bowl window?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah? Is that how we're supposed to be operating. Absolutely?
I think we're into a different portion.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Is that tougherent today than it was last year because
of now more seats at the table in the AFC?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
No, it doesn't change like Yeah, of course, more good
teams means it's going to be more difficult to where
you to be where you want to go.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Do you trust that this team can do enough this
offseason to contend for a Super Bowl next year?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yes? What gives you that belief? They have seventy million
dollars in cap space and the best one of the
best offenses in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
How much they would they have fifty plus in cap
space last offseason?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
M hmmm? Did nothing? Fair? Yeah? I mean fair, But
I'm not going to just say okay, they can't do
it at all? I have seen them spend money appropriately.
I have seen them draft players that can be helpful.
I've seen them turn it around quicker than I expected.
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I'm not going to just say they can't do it.
Have you seen am I overly confident that they will know.
But I don't think it's impossible to think that this
team is right back in the playoffs next year. Well,
I don't mean the plump time winning a Super Bowl.
I agree, you got to get to the playoffs first.
I don't think it's out of this realm at all
to say that now it does feel like they're far
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away from contending, just because it doesn't feel like there's
been any development on those young players on defense. But
I do feel like Dylan Fairschild's a hit. I think
Jalen Rivers is trending in that direction as well. What
Trey Henderson, how that situation plays out, remains to be seen.
But when you have seventy million dollars, and even if
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you do spend twenty five of it on Trey, you
still have a path to be able to repair your defense.
I think, especially through the draft, I get that there's
plenty of reason to doubt their ability to draft I
have one hundred percent agree with you, especially on defense.
But I'm not going to say a team with an
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offense that's this good with these quarterbacks. We haven't even
talked about restructuring Burrows deal, which is still on the
table to open up even more cap space at seventy million.
I have no reason to believe that they can't get
right back in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
My only concern is, regardless of the money, who's making
the decision, They've not drafted well. They have failed since
going back to Carson Palmer. When Carson Palmer got paid,
they were thirty three and forty six after he got
paid one playoff appearance and lost. They were thirty three
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and forty six after Andy Dalton got paid one playoff
appearance and lost. They're twelve and fourteen after Joe Burrow
got paid. They've yet to be in the playoffs. There
just hasn't been a track record of building this roster
under the current regime with Duke Tobin and Zacht whatever
whatever hand Zach Taylor Marvin Lewis had and that as well,
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there just hasn't been any indication that they've been able
to build a roster after paying a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, and listen, it's not going to change. Zach's not
going to get fired. Duke's not gonna get fired that
So I mean, we can yell and bitch and moan
at the Brown family and put up posters and protests
and do all this stuff. It's not going to change.
I don't think though. They've opened up the money, sure,
but they still play a role in this, and they
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are decision makers and it's their franchise and it would
be up to them to decide what to do with
Zach and a Duke. And based off of the history,
if you want to follow off what you've been saying,
it's not likely that they'll make a significant change. And
so based off of that, you have to look at, Okay,
what do they have and what is the potential path
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to returning to the playoffs? How can they potentially learn
from the mistakes that they have in the past. They've
already taken a little bit of a different process in
keeping guys like Jamar and Tea, And yes, it costs
them more money than it should have, but they've kept
those guys. They've listened to Burrow, They've done a really
like the plan on paper makes a lot of sense
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how they've tried to figure it out in the draft.
It just hasn't worked. So I look at it through
that lens of Okay, what are the indicators to what
the plan is and how is it possible? Where's the
path for them to get competitive again? And I see
it through that free agency, I see it through that
salary cap. I see it through a deep defensive draft
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class coming up this year, and I think, Okay, that's
probably the best possible path. Now. Is it guaranteed to work.
Absolutely not. We've seen them screw it up many times.
But I can't sit here and just pound the table
for people to get fired and it's not going to happen,
and without trying to look for solutions elsewhere, And I
don't care what happens in the rest of the AFC.
That shouldn't change your standard, right, Like you should still
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be doing everything in your power to turn your team
into a contender, and you should, but are making your
team more formidable tons?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Sure, but that doesn't change the way you act like
you should be making your team one of those to
begin with. You know, Indianapolis, Kansas City be damned, Buffalo
be damned. You should be doing everything you can to
make yourself one of those teams.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, and the at my core issue is last year
we saw history from Trey Hendrickson, Jamar Chase, and Joe Burrow,
and they had a ton of money, they had the
draft picks to address the defense, and we went from
one of the worst defense that we talked about in
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the league last year to potentially one of the worst
in the history of the NFL. That to me, that
does not scream if there's not a change at GM,
if there's not a change at how they addressed the
process of identifying talent and developing it, How would one
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lead to believe that they're just going to figure it
out when they've just failed to do that last year
when everyone said the offense is so good, just get
a middle of the pack defense, and they not only
failed to do that, they went in the complete opposite
direction with where this defense has been.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Well, I think my biggest excuse me argument to that
would be that we had that same feeling in twenty twenty.
They drafted a quarterback. He immediately got hurt. You're thinking, Okay,
they've screwed this guy up again. How can based off
what we've seen in the past. They actually turn this
around and they hit multiple times in free agency, they
did enough in the draft, and they were in the
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super Bowl the next year. So I understand, you know
where everybody's coming from. Everyone wants to now use money
as an excuse. I don't think money is at where
at the point where money can be used as an excuse.
I and and how are we supposed to go about
being a Bengals fan or talking about this team if like,
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they don't fire They're not going to fire the coach,
They're not going to fire the director, player personnel. So
what are we supposed to do? Just complain about that
all the time. No, but have to be re realistic
in expectations. Okay, so I can have a standard. A
standard can be different than the expectations. I mean, it's
it's when you call them out when they don't meet
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the standard. And I think a lot of people did
this year. I don't think anybody felt like they did enough. Now.
I said multiple times I thought their run defense would
be better. Hasn't been great. I thought marginally the defense
would improve, and I bought some of the al golden stock.
Unfortunately that hasn't worked out for me. But now I'm
looking at it saying, Okay, well, how do they fix this?
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That's a hard question.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I mean we we've had conversations about a handful of
players that you would keep going forward. That's how depleted
this roster is and how much of an overhaul it
would need. I again, you go into every offseason, how
can you position yourself to win a championship? There are
just teams that have done it the right way and
we've not seen that since Joe Burrow has been paid
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what he got paid, and now that's an uphill battle
without I use the term equity a lot. There's not
a lot of equity in how this roster's been built.
It's the same way we talk I talk about the Reds.
I want the Reds to win a World Series. I
want the Reds to be competitive. That's the standard. They
have failed to meet that standard. But that doesn't mean
you go into an offseason and think can they You know,
(36:18):
I'm not going into the Reds offseason saying, well, can
they just be over five hundred next year? I want
to go into an off season and find a way
to field a team that can win the NL Central
and win a World Series, right, but it just feels
further away now than it has to me in recent
years with the Cincinnati Bengals. We're late for a break,
We'll get a break, we'll get back on track, and
we've got some NFL awards we didn't get to yesterday.
(36:39):
The second half of the season is underway. Let's get
a couple NFL awards as we go as well. Joe
danimill join us one o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
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Speaker 3 (37:16):
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To get back on schedule, we'll take a quick break
in just a moment when we come back Austin. Can
we give away some awards at a little over now
to the halfway port of the NFL season. Sure, let's
do some awards when we return. How we view some
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Ten Green Bay thirty six for Philadelphia shotgun, snap fake,
the big V pack, the pass hurts goes hole, marching
spiral down the middle, leaping catch of the goal line
touchdown half the line to fuck Ta Smith. Beautiful pro
heavily covered a thirty six yard strike and Eagles have
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scored the game's first touchdown in the fourth quarter, Smith
leaping high and bringing.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
It down down the middle of the field. It was
the perfect play call. On first down after a long play, Packers.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Thinking run, Eagles come with the play pass deep post
to Davonte Smith.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
He's as good of a deep ball contested catch receiver
as there is. He leapt up for it like gazelle.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
It was graceful and beautiful, a gazelle, graceful and beautiful.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
It was a good throw.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It was a better catch from Davonte Smith. Eagles win
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Let's give away some awards as we see them where
the nflc and since right now, Austin, let's start with
your MVP of the National Football League as.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Who Jonathan Taylor, Indianapolis Colts. I know it's you know,
this is what I think it should be, not what
I think what will happen. I'm sure a quarterback will
win the award. But Jonathan Taylor and what he has
brought to that Colts offense MVP to me.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
He's been absolutely ridiculous. The statistics speed for themselves eleven
hundred and thirty nine yards. He's been a touchdown machine.
He has at times put Indy on his back, and
he's also doing that on a team that's winning football games.
I respect that so much. But because it is a
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quarterback driven league, I am going to go with a
quarterback who's been around a long time, but he's playing
I think his best football. Four touchding touchdown passes in
each of his last three games, zero interceptions. He leads
the NFL in touchdowns by five. He's got twenty five.
The next closest is twenty. He's all only thrown two interceptions.
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The touchdown to interception ratio for Matthew Stafford has been ridiculous.
I think he's playing the best football in his career,
and he's on a team right now that is also
winning and has his team set for a Super Bowl
contention season. I will give MVP to Matthew Stafford to
skip ahead my offensive Player of the Year, although Jackson
(41:24):
Smith and Jigba has been awesome. My offensive player that
he would be Jonathan Taylor for everything you just mentioned Austin.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, and Jackson Smith and Jigba is who I picked
for mine. Obviously leading the National Football League in receiving
yards already, he's got over two hundred more yards than
Jamar Chase does, which is kind of hard to believe.
He fits in perfectly with that offense. Clint Kubiak has
done a great job with Sam Darnold. I think Seattle
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might be the best team in the NFC, as I
said earlier, and that defense, that environment, they'll continue to
win games. I think JSN will play a big part
of that. I think he wins Offensive Player of the Year.
Who's your defensive Player of the Year, Miles Garrett Again, yep,
it's hard that you just go back. You can make
the argument he's the best player in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
It's I think it's even harder to do what he
does when he's on a terrible team, and that's his
choice to be on a terrible team, but to continue
to bring it week in and week out. Leads the
league in sacks, leads the league in tackles for losses,
he does everything. I think he's the most dominant player,
as you just mentioned in the sport.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I will say this about Miles though, really for the
entirety of his career, with the exception of maybe two seasons,
the Browns have had a good enough defense. There have
been players around him that certainly help. Now he's still
the focal point of any plan against a Cleveland defense,
but for years they've had good corners and good safeties
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and that makes his job a little bit easier. But
I think the longevity and just the continual production from
him is incredibly impressive.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Offensive Rookie of the Year for me I actually said
this before the season. He was plus two thousand at
the time a Mecca Agbuka yep is the offensive Rookie
of the Year. He has thirty fifth in the NFL
in receptions, thirty fifth in the NFL in receptions He's
caught forty passes. The incredible thing about what he's been
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able to do out of those forty catches, he's top
ten in yards and he's top ten in touchdown receptions.
He slides into an offense that has been without Mike
Evans and Chris Godwin, It's been without the running back
White for much of the season, and he has put
Tampa in a position as a rookie to pick up
right where they left off. They're going to continue to
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continue to get healthy. I think Tampa's a legit contender,
and I think Agbuka has a lot to do with it.
He's my offensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Still can't believe there were four pass catchers taken ahead
of him in the draft, and that includes Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
I mean, I got to watch a Mecca Buca every
single week pretty much of his college career, and I
knew this dude would show up and immediately have an
impact in the NFL. He fits perfectly into that offense
and obviously gets to learn from a couple of the
greats and Chris Godwin and Mike Evans, but you know
his ability to produce, and they've built so much of
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that offense around him, no doubt, a mecca. Who is
your defensive rookie of the year right now? I'm big
on the Seahawks, so I'm gonna stick with the Seahawks.
I'm gonna say nick Emon Worri safety out of South Carolina,
a guy that we talked about a little bit leading
up to the draft. When it comes to the Bengals
as a potential pick for them, He's been wonderful. If
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Seattle's defense continues to play the way that it has,
he'll certainly be in that conversation as the rookie of
the year.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
I'll keep the theme on players we talked about leading
up to the draft. He's forced to fumbles in a pass,
a couple of tackles for a loss, third on his
team in tackles, and he's playing for the defending He's
playing for a team in Philadelphia who is putting themselves
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right back into the position to win another Super Bowl.
And I look at jihat Campbell, I look at how
much we talked about him going in and to slide
in on a defense that has so much leadership. Zach
Bond Cooper, de Jen Reid Blankenship opposite him at safety,
the big guys in the middle. I'm so impressed. I
thought he was great last night and getting a chance
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to watch him in a standalone game, I think g
Hot Campbell has a legitimate argument when all this sudden
done the season, to be the defensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Two more, who's your comeback player of the year? Oh gosh,
I didn't think about this. I'll give you my there
you go. Yeah, I'm gonna go. Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Okay, Christian McCaffrey is blowing away statistic numbers even for him,
and he's just going to be relied on more and
more down the stretch of this season. Christian McCaffrey's might
comeback player of the year. Who's your coach of the year,
Mike Rabel. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones on
this list. Shane Steiking can be up there. McDonald with
the Seahawks can be up there. But to me, it's
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the culture in which Mike Rabel has created so quickly
in New England that just the guys play hard for him,
they play so well for him. I am going to
I'm with you. We're in agreement, Mike Vrabel, right, now
the Coach of the Year. That's our awards. As we
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Speaker 2 (01:58):
Austin.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I feel like things around LSU are gonna get a
little dicey. Brian Kelly is now going back at LSU.
LSU is claiming that it has not formally terminated the coach.
They are trying to find ways for Cause to get
rid of Brian Kelly, which would avoid paying a full
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buy out of nearly fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I'm not a big Brian Kelly guy. Matter of fact,
they can't stand the guy at all, but good for him.
Why should he not try to get as much money
as possible. Yeah, I think I actually sided with BK
on this one. I mean, fifty three million, that's a
lot different than twenty five or thirty yep. I mean,
go get your bag, man, get your bag, coach, go
get your Why negotiate a deal like that if you're
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not going to make the most of it, agreed NBA action.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Nico Harrison expected to be fired as the general manager
of the Dallas Mavericks today. It's just not gone well
for Nico Harrison. Obviously, the Luka Doncic and who Luca
is still becoming. They got Anthony Davis for him. That
has been a disaster. And I thought Austin that maybe
winning the lottery and getting Cooper flag would be enough
(03:10):
to save Nico's job. They've started three and eight on
the season. They are trending in the wrong direction, and
the Mavericks are moving in a new direction and moving
on from Nico Harrison.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, I mean, it just hasn't seemed to work out.
And the way that Nico has kind of carried himself
in the aftermath of the Luca trade and kind of
the arrogance that comes with it. The MAVs really, ever
since Mark Cuban had kind of stepped back, have made
a lot of questionable decisions. But I think a lot
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of MAVs fans are happy with the news today that
Nico is no longer going to be the GM.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Speaking of the former mentioned Luka Doncik. He had thirty eight,
six and seven last night to help the Lakers get
off to an eight and three start.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I saw that Lebron has begun practicing with the G
League Lakers. Yeah, so it won't be long now till Lebron,
who checks notes is almost fifty, will return to action
in the Association. Also, you're gonna talk about Wimby last night.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Victor Wimbin Yamah thirty eight twelve five five. Spurs outscore
the Bulls by thirteen in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, as we know, basketball season doesn't start until the
Monday after the Super Bowl. Yep. That being said, I
don't know how you're supposed to defend Wemby on those
last two possessions for the Spurs. Nope. I mean, nobody
on planet Earth can defend that into his credit. He
buried those triples. They are eight and two. I forgot
they got dearon Fox as well. He's back in the fold.
That's a good, good, young and fun Spurs team from
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NBA Action to Maction. We've got Maction tonight and tomorrow,
Ken State, Akron tonight, Ohio, Western Michigan tonight tomorrow Buffalo
and Central Michigan, Northern Illinois and Massachusetts and Toledo travels
to Yag Stadium to take on the Miami RedHawks. I'm
all with it. We got Maction back, baby.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
We've got college basketball to discuss today. We will devote
a segment to this in the show today. But the
cliff note version not a good night at the Centas
Center last night for the Xavier Musketeers.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Well, thankfully nobody was there to see it. Yeah, sparse crowd.
I could not believe the pictures I saw. And you know,
the game was had started to get out of hand,
but in the second half there was like fifteen people.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, crazy sparse. Last night, Santa Clara was up nineteen
at the half. They were up thirty with just over
two minutes left in the game. It ends as a
nineteen point win for Santa Clara. They beat Xavier. We
have not seen yet, Austin a Richard Patino grade tweet. Yeah,
I mean, listen to do it when you win, you
got to do it when you lose.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I agree. I like Richard Patino, I like his vibe.
I respect that he has done this, But you're going
to lose my respect real quick if you don't do
the grades when you lose. Yep. We need it today, Yep,
we need it. Today's all part of the process there,
Richard yep.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
College basketball tonight, top twenty five matchup Creighton at Gonzaga,
Top twenty five matchup Texas Tech at Illinois Top I
think top ten matchup both in the top ten or
just outside of the top ten. The Louisville Cardinals hosting
the Kentucky Wildcats now twelve Kentucky's nine.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Is Mark Pope going to be there? He's got jury duty.
I think he got out of jury duty. Okay, he's
gonna be there. I think he was able to get
out of jury duty. It would be really funny if
he came in right as the game started, like all disheveled, yep,
as if he had just got back from the courthouse,
sat on the jury. That'd be kind of funny.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Also, tonight, Dayton is at Fifth Third Arena to take
on the Cincinnati Bearcats.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Love that it's being played at fifth Third.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
We will recap the Xavier game. You'll hear from Richard Patino.
That's a top ten game too. Sure you see in
Dayton absolutely top ten in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Absolutely, without a doubt, maybe top five. Would Xavier be
in the top ten in the state of Ohio right now? Boy,
it's a good question. I mean, Young Sound State's up there, Yeah,
right state, Ohio State, right state, Toledo has a decent program. Oh,
yu'll Miami the Bobby's Yeah. I mean I don't know
that Zavier would make the top ten in the state
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of Ohio right now based off that performance. Lastly, yeah,
Cleveland State another good team man, Ohio Northern Wow, let's go,
let's go. Just I mean, these are just last thoughts
I have.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Last night Eagles Packers a defensive contest.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Were you entertained by that game? Not?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Really, Okay, I was, I've just not been entertained watching
Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love. Now we saw a game
on Thursday Night Football that was ten to seven with
the Broncos and the Raiders. And you watch that game
and you think, I don't think these two teams are
that good. Then you get to Monday Night Football the
final score is ten to seven, and you know that
those teams are better.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Than that score indicates. I was entertained by the game
last night. Now was it? You know what? I have
been more entertained if it was fifty six to fifty. Yeah, sure.
But also trying to figure out what is going through
the head of each of the offensive play callers and
also seeing just how good those defenses are. I found
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that to be entertaining.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I just when I look at these teams, I go
back to the quarterback play. I just don't know how
much I trust Jordan Love And right now it doesn't
feel like Jalen Hurts wants to be much of a runner.
I don't know how much I trust him as just
a passer. To me, it starts and stops with the
quarterback play. And you've got a green Bay team last night.
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I get it. Philly's a good team. Green Bay's also
lost to the Panthers and the Browns. Those are in
explicable losses for Matt Lafleur and the Green Bay Packers,
and it brings me to more of a I guess
the the NFC as a whole, And we'll spend some
time talking about the AFC because I want to bring
that back to the Cincinnati Bengals. We'll talk about that
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as we go in hour number one. But the NFC, Austin,
you could make a case for the Seahawks. You could
surely make a case for the Rams. You can make
a case for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You can make
a case for the Detroit Lions. You could make a
case for the Green Bay Packers. The Bears are six
and three. You can make a case for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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I just feel like there's a lot of seats at
the table in the NFC, and I don't know how
that shakes out. Who is your who is your top
dog in the NFC?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Right now? I still lean towards Detroit, Okay, that's who
I think.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
By the way, then we talked about this a little
bit yesterday. Detroit had one really subpar offensive performance in
a loss against the Kings, and out of nowhere, Dan
Campbell's now calling place for the vikings for the For
the Lions.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I don't know if I would say it was one.
There's been concerns about the efficiency of their offense and
disconnect for a while. I mean it's even early on
against the Bengals, they weren't the best. Those problems carried
over to the Chiefs, and you know, the Tampa game,
they just kind of ran away with it. But following
along with some of the people in Detroit that's been
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bubbling for a little while with their offensive coordinator and
Dan Campbell, at his credit, said you know what, I'm
going to take care of this.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But I think there is a path that you can
make arguments for Super Bowl contenders for the Eagles, the Seahawks,
the Lions, the Bucks, the Rams, the Packers, all out
of the NFC for sure. We'll tie that back to
the AFC as we go.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I think today the two best teams in the NFC
might be Tampa and Seattle. That doesn't necessarily mean they're
going to be the last one standing. Tampa's dealing within injuries,
uh ye, Seattle obviously in that division is difficult. I'm
not buying Philly as the best team in the NFC.
I don't think that they are especially offensively, but I
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mean the margin you know between those tiers very very thin. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
MLB, they got their awards coming down this week throughout
the week.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I believe in the cojuur of the years.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, last night they announced the Rookies of the Year, Nick.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Kurtz from the Oathlymics and the Sacramento the Braves catcher
Drake Baldwin. Yeah, so there's your Rookie of the Years.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Do you remember when Nick Kurtz hit a four and
ninety three foot grand slam off of Scott barlowep I
was launched afore mentioned Scott Barlow. You and I talked
Barlow a little bit today. I like Scott Barlow.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Patnar Doozy, he's in the crosshairs today. Do you have
the audio? So Patnar Doozy. Game Day is going to Pittsburgh,
and you and I talked about this before the show.
Saturday is not going to be a terrible weather game.
But that field. I always go back to Hinesfield, That's
how I know it. But the field in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh
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plays on the same field as obviously the Pittsburgh Steelers.
It's garbage as someone who played there in college. That
field is awful as it is.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
They're big complates about that field for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Or the Panthers will play and host college game Day.
They're going to play Notre Dame on Saturday, and then
on Sunday the Bengals will play against the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Where does game day set up for a game like that?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I don't know, but the remark from Pat Nordoozy took
me back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I don't know if the question is in this audio
or not, but I believe he was asked about, you know,
winning this game and what it means, because it's not
tied to what they're doing in the ACC.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
He was asked if it was a must win against
Notre Dame. Is a must land for this team? Comes
to something absolutely not. You know, it is not an
ACC game. I'm laf glad you brought that up. It's
not an ACC game, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I gladly get beat one hundred and three or one
hundred and ten to ten in that game.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
They could put one hundred up on us and I.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Was going the next two after that, but it can
Our focus is on on Notre Dame. And they getting
his big wins in cham Did did he just say
I gladly get beat one hundred and ten to ten. Yes,
And you could always tell when something is a story
because you could immediately hear people all start typing.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, and he realized afterwards, yep, what he said, and
he's like, but again, our focus is on Notre Dame
and getting as many wins as we can.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Just a bad, bad look. I mean, he's not necessarily
wrong when it comes to the ACC, but you should
never go so far to one side that you're thinking, oh, yeah,
we can when you know we can lose by one
hundred and we're fine. They control their own destiny at Pittsburgh,
take the pressure off of you a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
They are five and one in conference, so is Virginia
and Georgia Tech. But down the stretch Pittsburgh has to
play number ten Notre Dame, at number seventeen Georgia Tech,
and then home verse number eighteen Miami. So if they
win their last two, like Nordoozy said, they will play
for an ACC title. Easier said than done. With two
teams in the top twenty after a top ten matchup
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this weekend, does.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
This like, is that kind of like a subtle shot
at Notre Dame? I think so for not being in
the ACC.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I do think it is a little bit okay, which
I'm okay with.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
What else do we have in today's day and age.
It really doesn't matter now. Previously, you know, under a
previous college football playoff, I think it did matter for
Notre Dame to get into a playoff into a conference.
Nowadays it doesn't benefit them to do so. Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Lastly, segment one, we get the awesome chance to talk
about sports and try to have as much fun as
we do every single day. What we do would not
be possible without sacrifices that so many people have made.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And on a day like today, we celebrate the veterans
on Veterans Day, the brave men and woman who have
served our country with I mean, you can go courage
dedication given they're all so that we are literally able
to enjoy the freedoms that we have, which is one
of them on this show, which is having fun and
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talking about sports every day. So thank you to all
the veterans out there, any veteran that listens to this
show or comes across this we are certainly appreciative of
you on Veterans Day and every other day as well.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
We need a break, well said.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
When we return, let's dive back into Joe Burrow conversations
that we had yesterday and the likelihood of Joe Burrow
coming back and playing. We'll start with that. We'll add
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All Right, the big news yesterday was obviously Joe Burrow
returning in a limited to practice. His twenty one day
window is open. But it's not just about the twenty
one day window. As we learned yesterday Austin from Jay
Glazier and hearing Joe Burrow himself, there's a expedited timeline
that Joe Burrow has set and a goal that I
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think has remained very clear to him. And if you
heard at all, Austin carried it at the end of
the show yesterday. It bled over a little bit into
the Tony and Mo Football Show, but Joe Burrow was
asked about, you know, the importance and how much it
would mean to him to get back and play on
Thanksgiving against the Baltimore Ravens, and Austin, I felt like
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the conviction in which he spoke about that that's the
goal he he wants to start against the Baltimore Ravens
on the road. The question remains, and I think the
biggest pushback yesterday. You see it everywhere. Joe Burrow doesn't
play defense. So what's the point. It's a team that
has scored thirty eight and forty two and back to
back weeks and they've lost. It's a team that's three
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and six with the season melting away. They got to
go to Pittsburgh where they're a four and a half
point underdog this week. The New England Patriots, who are
arguably the hottest team in the AFC, come into town
the week after and at three and six. If they
lose the next two and they're three and eight, does
it really make much sense to bring Joe Burrow back?
My question would be, Austin, if they beat Pittsburgh, does
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Joe Burrow try to play against the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's the thought that I have the way I look
at everything, and the more I've thought about it and
listen to Joe talk yesterday, I think the whole thing
is if they beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, he will play
no matter what on Thanksgiving. If they lose to the
Pittsburgh Steelers, he will push to play against New England,
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I think. And if they don't lose, if they don't
win either of those games, he won't play at all.
But basically, if they are to go one and one
over the next two, then Burrow will do everything in
his power to play on Thanksgiving. That's my guess because
as was talked about yesterday and Joe said, the only
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real path to the playoffs that we have is to
win the AFC North, correct, And those games are incredibly important.
And let's say they do beat Pittsburgh on Sunday. Let's
say that happens, and let's say they lose to New
England like we all expect them to be to lose.
So then they would be four and seven with six
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games to go, three of which are AFC North games.
We would be talking again about can the Bengals go
on one of these runs when reel off five six
games in a row, that could get them back to
the playoffs. That I think is the internal hope. Now,
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does any of this change the fact that they have
an awful de No, it doesn't, But I think that's
got to be where their mind is at when you're
trying to do anything to find a path back to
the playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I again, this to me, it's hard because if this
team were coming off performances like they had against Denver
in Minnesota, then you're like, all right, Burrows back, let's
push this thing into overdrive. The fact that they had
just lost two games in a row, giving up thirty
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eight and for scoring thirty eight and forty two.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I get the pushback of what's the point it doesn't
change the defense. Maybe there are things over the bye
week that they have identified that they think will make
a legitimate, legitimate difference to the defense. Maybe there is,
I hope so, because if they can get just incrementally
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better in a couple different areas, then maybe you're talking
about a team that, with the offense to firepower, can
push a stretch run like they went on last year.
But there's also the part of the injury to Burrow
that I think will be the most fascinating part about
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this is because we've talked all along in Burrow's recovery
that what Joe Flacco has seemingly unlocked is helping the
running game because he's got the ability to go under
center and even had taken it a step further. And
you know, if Joe Burrow can have Joe Flacco around
to maybe push the idea of how he can go
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under center and help in that sense, maybe Joe Burrow
would want to do it more. The worrisome part to
me is the tow, not when he's throwing, because I
was I was a little surprised Austin when they showed
video of him yesterday. In practice, he moved well, looked
very normal, not a noticeable limp. I didn't even think
he would have cleats on. Yet he had cleats on.
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He's moving around in stretch lines, he's throwing the ball,
and as a quarterback perspective, I don't think that it's
the throwing that's going to be the concern because for
a right handed quarterback, you're driving off your right foot.
That's not going to bother him. But the thought for
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me of Joe Burrow trying it all to line up
under center, and if you can imagine a right handed
quarterback lining up under center, they pivot with the right
leg and then you're going to push off with the left.
That to me is where I think it would become
an issue for Joe Burrow. Is he going to be
able to consistently go under center, flip his hips and
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drive off the inside part of that left foot. That
to me would be a question mark, which then gets
us right back into the dilemma we had. This offensive
line is not as good at a shotgun as they
are under center. There are still holes on the offensive line,
The defense still isn't good. Is it worth it at
that point if they lose the next to Austin I
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still think Joe Burrow is clamoring to play.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I'm sure he'll clamor.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Is it the job of the organization if they're three
and eight and essentially mathematically eliminated, is it the job
of the organization to say, we hear you, we see you,
but you are not playing this year.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I think when you think about what is best for
the franchise, it is not playing Joe Burrow number one.
Those games essentially become meaningless and they have struggled to
draft as it is, So if you lose those games,
all it does is help you get a better player
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in the draft. Secondly, you still have two rookies starting
on your offensive line, and Dylan Fairchild and Jalen Rivers,
and they're going to get every opportunity to start over
the course of the rest of the season, and you
really don't want Burrow to have any sort of re injury,
whether that's to his toe, or otherwise going into the offseason. Now,
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I want Joe to play. I'm sure the Bengals want
Joe to play. I'm sure Joe wants to play. But
when you think of it through the lens of what
is best for the betterment of the franchise, putting him
out there in meaningless games, yep, that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Qualify, especially with so many questions you've got to already
figure out. You've got so much to figure out on
this team. Do you really want to be trying to
figure out if you have all the answers on the
O line while still putting Joe Burrow back there.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I also think Joe understands that possibility, because he said
he was asked I think by Dan Hord and others
about the wins and losses and you know, the variables
that go into it. And I think he also understands
it's a real possibilit if we lose these games that
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I don't get to play at all.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I applaud Joe Burrow. I love everything about who he is.
I love his work ethic, the desire to not only
get back, but to completely blow away the time frame
that many people have been given. And I think the
peelback that Jake Glazier gave of the mindset of Joe
Burrow and how he wanted to get back. I have
so much respect for that as someone on a smaller
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scale who's went through multiple injuries and know the mental
toll just as well as the physical that it can take.
I applaud Joe for wanting to be back and be
back so quick, But you also have to think about
the long term future as well. You've got to think
about this organization, and that, to me, Austin raises a
bigger question and it's something we alluded to yesterday and
I'll go back to it today. You started the start
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of this year, the conversation in the AFC was around Buffalo,
Kansas City, and Baltimore. And there are folks out there
that still believe Buffalo can can get things figured out,
that Kansas City is the most dangerous team just because
they've been there so many times, and there are a
lot of folks I believe the Baltimore Ravens are gonna
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win the AFC North, that the betting favorite, and they
are going to be a dangerous out in the playoffs.
But the issue that I see across the AFC is.
I don't see Buffalo or Baltimore or Kansas City going
away next year. I still see them as a contender
in the AFC. The things that I did not account
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for was Indianapolis being this far ahead of schedule, seemingly
not going anywhere anytime soon. The Denver Broncos rookie quarterback
Bo Nicks not going anywhere soon. They've won seven games
in a row. The New England Patriots rookie quarterback building
the team around him with seven games in a row,
are not going anywhere soon. At eight and two. The
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Steelers seem to always have at least some say. Los
Angeles Chargers are seven to three. Seven and three, and
they lost both tackles Joe Alt and Rashaun Slater. They
are still competitive. The Jacksonville Jaguars, say what you want
about the meltdown this past weekend. Under Liam Cohen, I
think are going to be a better team. The Houston
Texans don't seem to be that far off. We've talked
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about the fight that the Miami Dolphins have shown. What
I'm getting at the AFC is going to be deeper
and more talented next year. So while it would be
great for Joe Burrow to come back if they're playing
meaningful football. If they're not playing meaningful football, you have
way too many questions as a team on both sides
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of the ball to answer so that you can try
to get it figured out and be a competitive team
next year. Because we're still Austin. Are we still operating
in the Joe Burrow super Bowl window?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah? Is that how we're supposed to be operating. Absolutely?
I think we're into a different portion.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Is that tougherent today than it was last year because
of now more seats at the table in the AFC?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
No, it doesn't change like Yeah, of course, more good
teams means it's going to be more difficult to where
you to be where you want to go.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Do you trust that this team can do enough this
offseason to contend for a Super Bowl next year?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yes? What gives you that belief? They have seventy million
dollars in cap space and the best one of the
best offenses in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
How much they would they have fifty plus in cap
space last offseason?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
M hmmm? Did nothing? Fair? Yeah? I mean fair, But
I'm not going to just say okay, they can't do
it at all? I have seen them spend money appropriately.
I have seen them draft players that can be helpful.
I've seen them turn it around quicker than I expected.
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I'm not going to just say they can't do it.
Have you seen am I overly confident that they will know.
But I don't think it's impossible to think that this
team is right back in the playoffs next year. Well,
I don't mean the plump time winning a Super Bowl.
I agree, you got to get to the playoffs first.
I don't think it's out of this realm at all
to say that now it does feel like they're far
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away from contending, just because it doesn't feel like there's
been any development on those young players on defense. But
I do feel like Dylan Fairschild's a hit. I think
Jalen Rivers is trending in that direction as well. What
Trey Henderson, how that situation plays out, remains to be seen.
But when you have seventy million dollars, and even if
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you do spend twenty five of it on Trey, you
still have a path to be able to repair your defense.
I think, especially through the draft, I get that there's
plenty of reason to doubt their ability to draft I
have one hundred percent agree with you, especially on defense.
But I'm not going to say a team with an
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offense that's this good with these quarterbacks. We haven't even
talked about restructuring Burrows deal, which is still on the
table to open up even more cap space at seventy million.
I have no reason to believe that they can't get
right back in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
My only concern is, regardless of the money, who's making
the decision, They've not drafted well. They have failed since
going back to Carson Palmer. When Carson Palmer got paid,
they were thirty three and forty six after he got
paid one playoff appearance and lost. They were thirty three
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and forty six after Andy Dalton got paid one playoff
appearance and lost. They're twelve and fourteen after Joe Burrow
got paid. They've yet to be in the playoffs. There
just hasn't been a track record of building this roster
under the current regime with Duke Tobin and Zacht whatever
whatever hand Zach Taylor Marvin Lewis had and that as well,
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there just hasn't been any indication that they've been able
to build a roster after paying a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, and listen, it's not going to change. Zach's not
going to get fired. Duke's not gonna get fired that
So I mean, we can yell and bitch and moan
at the Brown family and put up posters and protests
and do all this stuff. It's not going to change.
I don't think though. They've opened up the money, sure,
but they still play a role in this, and they
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are decision makers and it's their franchise and it would
be up to them to decide what to do with
Zach and a Duke. And based off of the history,
if you want to follow off what you've been saying,
it's not likely that they'll make a significant change. And
so based off of that, you have to look at, Okay,
what do they have and what is the potential path
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to returning to the playoffs? How can they potentially learn
from the mistakes that they have in the past. They've
already taken a little bit of a different process in
keeping guys like Jamar and Tea, And yes, it costs
them more money than it should have, but they've kept
those guys. They've listened to Burrow, They've done a really
like the plan on paper makes a lot of sense
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how they've tried to figure it out in the draft.
It just hasn't worked. So I look at it through
that lens of Okay, what are the indicators to what
the plan is and how is it possible? Where's the
path for them to get competitive again? And I see
it through that free agency, I see it through that
salary cap. I see it through a deep defensive draft
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class coming up this year, and I think, Okay, that's
probably the best possible path. Now. Is it guaranteed to work.
Absolutely not. We've seen them screw it up many times.
But I can't sit here and just pound the table
for people to get fired and it's not going to happen,
and without trying to look for solutions elsewhere, And I
don't care what happens in the rest of the AFC.
That shouldn't change your standard, right, Like you should still
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be doing everything in your power to turn your team
into a contender, and you should, but are making your
team more formidable tons?
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Sure, but that doesn't change the way you act like
you should be making your team one of those to
begin with. You know, Indianapolis, Kansas City be damned, Buffalo
be damned. You should be doing everything you can to
make yourself one of those teams.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, and the at my core issue is last year
we saw history from Trey Hendrickson, Jamar Chase, and Joe Burrow,
and they had a ton of money, they had the
draft picks to address the defense, and we went from
one of the worst defense that we talked about in
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the league last year to potentially one of the worst
in the history of the NFL. That to me, that
does not scream if there's not a change at GM,
if there's not a change at how they addressed the
process of identifying talent and developing it, How would one
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lead to believe that they're just going to figure it
out when they've just failed to do that last year
when everyone said the offense is so good, just get
a middle of the pack defense, and they not only
failed to do that, they went in the complete opposite
direction with where this defense has been.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Well, I think my biggest excuse me argument to that
would be that we had that same feeling in twenty twenty.
They drafted a quarterback. He immediately got hurt. You're thinking, Okay,
they've screwed this guy up again. How can based off
what we've seen in the past. They actually turn this
around and they hit multiple times in free agency, they
did enough in the draft, and they were in the
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super Bowl the next year. So I understand, you know
where everybody's coming from. Everyone wants to now use money
as an excuse. I don't think money is at where
at the point where money can be used as an excuse.
I and and how are we supposed to go about
being a Bengals fan or talking about this team if like,
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they don't fire They're not going to fire the coach,
They're not going to fire the director, player personnel. So
what are we supposed to do? Just complain about that
all the time. No, but have to be re realistic
in expectations. Okay, so I can have a standard. A
standard can be different than the expectations. I mean, it's
it's when you call them out when they don't meet
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the standard. And I think a lot of people did
this year. I don't think anybody felt like they did enough. Now.
I said multiple times I thought their run defense would
be better. Hasn't been great. I thought marginally the defense
would improve, and I bought some of the al golden stock.
Unfortunately that hasn't worked out for me. But now I'm
looking at it saying, Okay, well, how do they fix this?
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That's a hard question.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I mean we we've had conversations about a handful of
players that you would keep going forward. That's how depleted
this roster is and how much of an overhaul it
would need. I again, you go into every offseason, how
can you position yourself to win a championship? There are
just teams that have done it the right way and
we've not seen that since Joe Burrow has been paid
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what he got paid, and now that's an uphill battle
without I use the term equity a lot. There's not
a lot of equity in how this roster's been built.
It's the same way we talk I talk about the Reds.
I want the Reds to win a World Series. I
want the Reds to be competitive. That's the standard. They
have failed to meet that standard. But that doesn't mean
you go into an offseason and think can they You know,
(36:18):
I'm not going into the Reds offseason saying, well, can
they just be over five hundred next year? I want
to go into an off season and find a way
to field a team that can win the NL Central
and win a World Series, right, but it just feels
further away now than it has to me in recent
years with the Cincinnati Bengals. We're late for a break,
We'll get a break, we'll get back on track, and
we've got some NFL awards we didn't get to yesterday.
(36:39):
The second half of the season is underway. Let's get
a couple NFL awards as we go as well. Joe
danimill join us one o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station.
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Joe Daniman will join us at one o'clock your talkbacks
after that our three Scott Saderfield out of a bye
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time with college basketball in our number three as well.
To get back on schedule, we'll take a quick break
in just a moment when we come back Austin. Can
we give away some awards at a little over now
to the halfway port of the NFL season. Sure, let's
do some awards when we return. How we view some
(38:00):
of these award races in the National Football League. We'll
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Ten Green Bay thirty six for Philadelphia shotgun, snap fake,
the big V pack, the pass hurts goes hole, marching
spiral down the middle, leaping catch of the goal line
touchdown half the line to fuck Ta Smith. Beautiful pro
heavily covered a thirty six yard strike and Eagles have
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scored the game's first touchdown in the fourth quarter, Smith
leaping high and bringing.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
It down down the middle of the field. It was
the perfect play call. On first down after a long play, Packers.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Thinking run, Eagles come with the play pass deep post
to Davonte Smith.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
He's as good of a deep ball contested catch receiver
as there is. He leapt up for it like gazelle.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
It was graceful and beautiful, a gazelle, graceful and beautiful.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
It was a good throw.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It was a better catch from Davonte Smith. Eagles win
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got Joe Daniman coming up the top of our number two.
Let's give away some awards as we see them where
the nflc and since right now, Austin, let's start with
your MVP of the National Football League as.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Who Jonathan Taylor, Indianapolis Colts. I know it's you know,
this is what I think it should be, not what
I think what will happen. I'm sure a quarterback will
win the award. But Jonathan Taylor and what he has
brought to that Colts offense MVP to me.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
He's been absolutely ridiculous. The statistics speed for themselves eleven
hundred and thirty nine yards. He's been a touchdown machine.
He has at times put Indy on his back, and
he's also doing that on a team that's winning football games.
I respect that so much. But because it is a
(40:41):
quarterback driven league, I am going to go with a
quarterback who's been around a long time, but he's playing
I think his best football. Four touchding touchdown passes in
each of his last three games, zero interceptions. He leads
the NFL in touchdowns by five. He's got twenty five.
The next closest is twenty. He's all only thrown two interceptions.
(41:01):
The touchdown to interception ratio for Matthew Stafford has been ridiculous.
I think he's playing the best football in his career,
and he's on a team right now that is also
winning and has his team set for a Super Bowl
contention season. I will give MVP to Matthew Stafford to
skip ahead my offensive Player of the Year, although Jackson
(41:24):
Smith and Jigba has been awesome. My offensive player that
he would be Jonathan Taylor for everything you just mentioned Austin.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, and Jackson Smith and Jigba is who I picked
for mine. Obviously leading the National Football League in receiving
yards already, he's got over two hundred more yards than
Jamar Chase does, which is kind of hard to believe.
He fits in perfectly with that offense. Clint Kubiak has
done a great job with Sam Darnold. I think Seattle
(41:52):
might be the best team in the NFC, as I
said earlier, and that defense, that environment, they'll continue to
win games. I think JSN will play a big part
of that. I think he wins Offensive Player of the Year.
Who's your defensive Player of the Year, Miles Garrett Again, yep,
it's hard that you just go back. You can make
the argument he's the best player in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
It's I think it's even harder to do what he
does when he's on a terrible team, and that's his
choice to be on a terrible team, but to continue
to bring it week in and week out. Leads the
league in sacks, leads the league in tackles for losses,
he does everything. I think he's the most dominant player,
as you just mentioned in the sport.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I will say this about Miles though, really for the
entirety of his career, with the exception of maybe two seasons,
the Browns have had a good enough defense. There have
been players around him that certainly help. Now he's still
the focal point of any plan against a Cleveland defense,
but for years they've had good corners and good safeties
(42:58):
and that makes his job a little bit easier. But
I think the longevity and just the continual production from
him is incredibly impressive.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
Offensive Rookie of the Year for me I actually said
this before the season. He was plus two thousand at
the time a Mecca Agbuka yep is the offensive Rookie
of the Year. He has thirty fifth in the NFL
in receptions, thirty fifth in the NFL in receptions He's
caught forty passes. The incredible thing about what he's been
(43:30):
able to do out of those forty catches, he's top
ten in yards and he's top ten in touchdown receptions.
He slides into an offense that has been without Mike
Evans and Chris Godwin, It's been without the running back
White for much of the season, and he has put
Tampa in a position as a rookie to pick up
right where they left off. They're going to continue to
(43:51):
continue to get healthy. I think Tampa's a legit contender,
and I think Agbuka has a lot to do with it.
He's my offensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Still can't believe there were four pass catchers taken ahead
of him in the draft, and that includes Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
I mean, I got to watch a Mecca Buca every
single week pretty much of his college career, and I
knew this dude would show up and immediately have an
impact in the NFL. He fits perfectly into that offense
and obviously gets to learn from a couple of the
greats and Chris Godwin and Mike Evans, but you know
his ability to produce, and they've built so much of
(44:25):
that offense around him, no doubt, a mecca. Who is
your defensive rookie of the year right now? I'm big
on the Seahawks, so I'm gonna stick with the Seahawks.
I'm gonna say nick Emon Worri safety out of South Carolina,
a guy that we talked about a little bit leading
up to the draft. When it comes to the Bengals
as a potential pick for them, He's been wonderful. If
(44:47):
Seattle's defense continues to play the way that it has,
he'll certainly be in that conversation as the rookie of
the year.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
I'll keep the theme on players we talked about leading
up to the draft. He's forced to fumbles in a pass,
a couple of tackles for a loss, third on his
team in tackles, and he's playing for the defending He's
playing for a team in Philadelphia who is putting themselves
(45:16):
right back into the position to win another Super Bowl.
And I look at jihat Campbell, I look at how
much we talked about him going in and to slide
in on a defense that has so much leadership. Zach
Bond Cooper, de Jen Reid Blankenship opposite him at safety,
the big guys in the middle. I'm so impressed. I
thought he was great last night and getting a chance
(45:37):
to watch him in a standalone game, I think g
Hot Campbell has a legitimate argument when all this sudden
done the season, to be the defensive rookie of the year.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Two more, who's your comeback player of the year? Oh gosh,
I didn't think about this. I'll give you my there
you go. Yeah, I'm gonna go. Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Okay, Christian McCaffrey is blowing away statistic numbers even for him,
and he's just going to be relied on more and
more down the stretch of this season. Christian McCaffrey's might
comeback player of the year. Who's your coach of the year,
Mike Rabel. Yeah, there's a lot of good ones on
this list. Shane Steiking can be up there. McDonald with
the Seahawks can be up there. But to me, it's
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the culture in which Mike Rabel has created so quickly
in New England that just the guys play hard for him,
they play so well for him. I am going to
I'm with you. We're in agreement, Mike Vrabel, right, now
the Coach of the Year. That's our awards. As we
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