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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, five point fifty one. Bob France in for Jimmy
Long with Sharon I. Let's welcome Gordon Chang to the program.
Gordon Schang is a political journalist, author and pundit and
he is a China expert. Gordon, good morning, Good morning,
and thank you so much. Always a pleasure to chat
with you. So we've got a couple of stories here
regarding communist China and governors. The first one is Gordon,
or excuse me, is Tim Walls. You talked about this
(00:22):
on NEWSMAC. Next on Saturday, tell us about the Chinese
Communist Party firms that Tim Walls remains in contact with.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes, there is a Daily Caller investigation which was posted
on August twenty seventh, which details the organizations that Tim
Waltz as governor, has been maintaining contacts with. These are
Communist Party Front organizations and they include the Chinese American
Association for Minnesota, but they are also a number of
(00:53):
other ones. And the importance of this is Tim Waltz
has a long history with the Communist Party United Frontwork Department,
which is the part of the party that subverts foreign government.
Because that is the part of the Communist Party that
had to approve his high school trips to China. He
organized high school students going to China, and he actually
(01:14):
turned it into a business. Well, the Communist Party had
to been the one who said it, okay, So this
shows that Tim Waltz has maintained really dubious ties to
that organization over the course of decades.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
All right, So now we have this latest news out
of New York. The governor there, Kathy Hokeel and her
deputy chief of staff being arrested charged with unlicensed foreign agent?
Are we talking a spy right there in the Governor's
office in New York? She and her husband.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Both we're talking a spy. We're also talking an operative.
Because Linda's son and her husband were working to make
sure that New York state policy under both Governor Local
and her predecessor, Governor Cuomo, who was very friendly to
the Communist Party. So, for instance, she persuaded Governor Hokel
(02:09):
to cut ties with Taiwan. It persuaded Governor Hokkul to
maintain ties with Communist Communist Party front organizations. It runs
the list. She was compensated for this. She did not
tell either governor what she was doing. She was an
operative for the Chinese.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Government, and this is while the Wuhan flu was being unleashed.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yes, this was during a very sensitive time in our history.
One of the things that China's operatives did, and this
is not necessarily Linda Sun, but one thing that China's
operatives did during that period was to make sure that
the United States did not blame China for what China
in fact did, which was this bug actually came from China.
(02:58):
That's incontrovertible. But the one thing that these operatives did
was to make sure that they minimized China's culpability, because
once this disease got out into the general Chinese population,
Cajan Ping lied about its transmissibility and forced other countries
to take Chinese passengers, which is how this became not
(03:20):
just a local Chinese disease, but became a global pandemic.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Gordon, We've only got a minute left. But you look
at these two stories, the Kathy Hockel story the Tim
Wall story, and you wonder which ones do we not
know about? How pervasive do you think it is that
Chinese inflo, Chinese Communist Party influences are infiltrating our governments
across this.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Country extremely pervasive. Remember the first time that the Chinese
operative contacted Eric Swalwell was not when he was sitting
on the House Intelligence Committee, where he would have been
a great benefit to Beijing, but when he was on
the City Council of Dublin City, California, which means China
is grooming hundreds of Swallwells, maybe even thousands. That's not
(04:02):
to say Swawell does anything wrong. It is to say, though,
that he was targeted among many many other Americans.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
No question about it, and a judgment call there. You know,
his judgment is simply awful. And he continues to hold
a position of great authority I think within the Democrat Party.
That's astounding. And by the way, the trips that you
mentioned that Tim Walls took with his students, some of
the students have started talking and saying, you know what
he did while he was there. He bought up as
many little read books as he could find to give
(04:31):
them away his gifts back here in the States. What
does that tell you, Gordon Well, It tells.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Us that he actually believes in Maoism or socialism as
he calls it, our communism, and this is a belief
that he's held continually, because he recently said that socialism
is just being a good neighbor, which indicates that he
has not changed his views about Chinese communism.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
He said exactly that, Gordon Shang, political journalist and author. Gordon,
always a pleasure chatting with you. Thank the insights.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Okay, five point fifty one. Bob France in for Jimmy
Long with Sharon I. Let's welcome Gordon Chang to the program.
Gordon Schang is a political journalist, author and pundit and
he is a China expert. Gordon, good morning, Good morning,
and thank you so much. Always a pleasure to chat
with you. So we've got a couple of stories here
regarding communist China and governors. The first one is Gordon,
or excuse me, is Tim Walls. You talked about this
(00:22):
on NEWSMAC. Next on Saturday, tell us about the Chinese
Communist Party firms that Tim Walls remains in contact with.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes, there is a Daily Caller investigation which was posted
on August twenty seventh, which details the organizations that Tim
Waltz as governor, has been maintaining contacts with. These are
Communist Party Front organizations and they include the Chinese American
Association for Minnesota, but they are also a number of
(00:53):
other ones. And the importance of this is Tim Waltz
has a long history with the Communist Party United Frontwork Department,
which is the part of the party that subverts foreign government.
Because that is the part of the Communist Party that
had to approve his high school trips to China. He
organized high school students going to China, and he actually
(01:14):
turned it into a business. Well, the Communist Party had
to been the one who said it, okay, So this
shows that Tim Waltz has maintained really dubious ties to
that organization over the course of decades.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
All right, So now we have this latest news out
of New York. The governor there, Kathy Hokeel and her
deputy chief of staff being arrested charged with unlicensed foreign agent?
Are we talking a spy right there in the Governor's
office in New York? She and her husband.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Both we're talking a spy. We're also talking an operative.
Because Linda's son and her husband were working to make
sure that New York state policy under both Governor Local
and her predecessor, Governor Cuomo, who was very friendly to
the Communist Party. So, for instance, she persuaded Governor Hokel
(02:09):
to cut ties with Taiwan. It persuaded Governor Hokkul to
maintain ties with Communist Communist Party front organizations. It runs
the list. She was compensated for this. She did not
tell either governor what she was doing. She was an
operative for the Chinese.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Government, and this is while the Wuhan flu was being unleashed.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yes, this was during a very sensitive time in our history.
One of the things that China's operatives did, and this
is not necessarily Linda Sun, but one thing that China's
operatives did during that period was to make sure that
the United States did not blame China for what China
in fact did, which was this bug actually came from China.
(02:58):
That's incontrovertible. But the one thing that these operatives did
was to make sure that they minimized China's culpability, because
once this disease got out into the general Chinese population,
Cajan Ping lied about its transmissibility and forced other countries
to take Chinese passengers, which is how this became not
(03:20):
just a local Chinese disease, but became a global pandemic.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Gordon, We've only got a minute left. But you look
at these two stories, the Kathy Hockel story the Tim
Wall story, and you wonder which ones do we not
know about? How pervasive do you think it is that
Chinese inflo, Chinese Communist Party influences are infiltrating our governments
across this.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Country extremely pervasive. Remember the first time that the Chinese
operative contacted Eric Swalwell was not when he was sitting
on the House Intelligence Committee, where he would have been
a great benefit to Beijing, but when he was on
the City Council of Dublin City, California, which means China
is grooming hundreds of Swallwells, maybe even thousands. That's not
(04:02):
to say Swawell does anything wrong. It is to say, though,
that he was targeted among many many other Americans.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
No question about it, and a judgment call there. You know,
his judgment is simply awful. And he continues to hold
a position of great authority I think within the Democrat Party.
That's astounding. And by the way, the trips that you
mentioned that Tim Walls took with his students, some of
the students have started talking and saying, you know what
he did while he was there. He bought up as
many little read books as he could find to give
(04:31):
them away his gifts back here in the States. What
does that tell you, Gordon Well, It tells.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Us that he actually believes in Maoism or socialism as
he calls it, our communism, and this is a belief
that he's held continually, because he recently said that socialism
is just being a good neighbor, which indicates that he
has not changed his views about Chinese communism.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
He said exactly that, Gordon Shang, political journalist and author. Gordon,
always a pleasure chatting with you. Thank the insights.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
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