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(00:00):
Okay, seven twenty two, Solisten to how they're playing this right now,
seeing that ours are extremely excited rightnow. But this moment, we
were talking about this in the greenroom. Honestly, the cause that I've
been getting beyond the beltwegh this reallyfeels like Obama two thousand and eight.
Obama two thousand and eight is whatthey're calling the ascendancy of Kamala to take
(00:21):
the baton from Joe Biden. Thatis pretty astounding. Tom Jovineddi joins us
now president of the Institute for PolicyInnovation. Good morning, Tom, Good
morning. How are you so wego? We're doing well, Thank you.
So we go from Trump v.Biden the rematch, to Trump v.
Kamala at least that's the way it'slooking. And they're already saying this
is an Obama type moment. What'syour reaction. Oh, it's amazing.
(00:44):
The machine went into gear almost immediately. No one has ever been foned over
like Kamala Harris is being falloned overright now. And I think that's a
combination of two things. I thinkit's a combination of relief by people who
did not want Donald trum to bepresident because he was going to be he
was going to wipe the floor withJoe Biden, and now it's a real
(01:07):
race. So I think I thinkthey're relieve number one and number two.
I think that they've just decided thatthey're going to play up to an enormous
degree the sort of historical nature ofthe idea of a of a black woman
president. And you know, thiswas a hallmark of the Biden administration.
(01:29):
It's like whenever they appointed somebody toany job, they didn't care about competency.
The only thing they cared about iscan they claim it to be a
first of some kind? You know, this is this is the first you
know Dominican, you know female ever, you know, under secretary of whatever.
So, I mean, this isa big deal. This is a
big deal with the Democratic Party,It's a big deal on the left.
I think they're going to play itup and the media is going to is
(01:53):
going to line right up behind them. You know, it's almost like they
plan the whole thing. How smooththis has been. We get all these
stories of the chaos, the chaosand chaos, and yet boy, everything's
just kind of clicking in the place, except where are the Hillary supporters?
I mean, where where is thatfaction of the d n C. AOC
is not totally on board with Kamala. What what's this all about? No,
(02:15):
that's right because I think I thinkthe you know, the the weird
thing about the Biden administration is thathe ran as sort of the reasonable moderate
Democrat, but then he governed likea hard left progressive and I think people
like AOC know that they had himaround their fingers and they liked that.
(02:36):
I mean, I think it wasto their advantage that he wasn't really in
charge of his own administration. Hehad he had sort of contracted out to
the progressive left on all of theissues, and I think they're not quite
sure she's going to do that.There is a distrust among the progressive left
of Kamala because she was a prosecutorand that's how she sort of made her
(02:58):
reputation, and she was she wasa tough prosecutor. She put a lot
of people in jail for for minor, minor issues, drug possession and things
like that. You know, shewas one of these tough on crime type
of prosecutors. And you know,AOC and the progressive left are not very
comfortable with that. They don't likethe idea of putting criminals in jail.
(03:21):
They like the idea of of youknow, uh, this whole idea of
if it's less than nine hundred dollarsshoplifting, don't prosecute it. That's not
what Kamala did. Even as theyhave the big bad fellon Donald Trump over
there, drawing in black and LatinAmerican voters. Well, I think we've
(03:42):
already seen that that's going to beher at least that's going to be her
first out of the gate messaging isthat he's a felon and she's a prosecutor.
And I think that's why you hadthat quote, you know, I
know his type. I think that'sthat's obviously the first, the first campaign
messaging that they are going to do. But hasn't tom that that reputation as
(04:03):
a tough prosecutor been undone by thefact that she funded this this bail bail
reform thing to get all of thethe George Floyd protesters and rioters and vandalizers
and so on and so forth outof jail. So this is so you're
right she did. She did abig flip flop on this. I mean,
this is this is the way shemade her early career was by being
(04:25):
a tough on crime prosecutor. Andthen of course the mood changed on the
progressive left and you had this suddensocial justice emphasis on justice reform, on
criminal justice reform, and yeah,so the problem she's got is she is
vulnerable to attacks from the progressive leftbecause of this. But I think what
(04:49):
it comes down to, the progressiveleft is not going to make much of
that because again they think that theythink that Donald Trump is like the Antichrist,
and they think that, you know, anything that anyone does to prevent
Donald Trump from being re elected isgoing to be okay with them. So
(05:10):
it's no matter who. Right,their mantra has been vote blue, no
matter who, whether it's Biden orHarris or anybody else they put up there,
you're right, because it isn't avote for one of them, it's
a vote against Donald Trump. Theycannot control the site of July thirteen over
July six. It's been seen.Yeah, no, no, that's exactly
right, that's exactly right. Sothey'll line up, the media will line
(05:30):
up behind them. I mean,it was astonishing to me to you know,
the last several weeks. It wasastonishing to me to see how like
CNN, for instance, was aggressivelycovering the idea of Biden withdrawing. So
there was a clear move by sortof like the left leaning establishment that Biden
had to go. I was stillshocked that he did it, because he's
(05:55):
notoriously stubborn, but we certainly havelived in interesting times the last few days
and more to come, no questionabout it. Tom Jevinat, the president
of the Institute for Policy Innovation,
Okay, seven twenty two, Solisten to how they're playing this right now,
seeing that ours are extremely excited rightnow. But this moment, we
were talking about this in the greenroom. Honestly, the cause that I've
been getting beyond the beltwegh this reallyfeels like Obama two thousand and eight.
Obama two thousand and eight is whatthey're calling the ascendancy of Kamala to take
(00:21):
the baton from Joe Biden. Thatis pretty astounding. Tom Jovineddi joins us
now president of the Institute for PolicyInnovation. Good morning, Tom, Good
morning. How are you so wego? We're doing well, Thank you.
So we go from Trump v.Biden the rematch, to Trump v.
Kamala at least that's the way it'slooking. And they're already saying this
is an Obama type moment. What'syour reaction. Oh, it's amazing.
(00:44):
The machine went into gear almost immediately. No one has ever been foned over
like Kamala Harris is being falloned overright now. And I think that's a
combination of two things. I thinkit's a combination of relief by people who
did not want Donald trum to bepresident because he was going to be he
was going to wipe the floor withJoe Biden, and now it's a real
(01:07):
race. So I think I thinkthey're relieve number one and number two.
I think that they've just decided thatthey're going to play up to an enormous
degree the sort of historical nature ofthe idea of a of a black woman
president. And you know, thiswas a hallmark of the Biden administration.
(01:29):
It's like whenever they appointed somebody toany job, they didn't care about competency.
The only thing they cared about iscan they claim it to be a
first of some kind? You know, this is this is the first you
know Dominican, you know female ever, you know, under secretary of whatever.
So, I mean, this isa big deal. This is a
big deal with the Democratic Party,It's a big deal on the left.
I think they're going to play itup and the media is going to is
(01:53):
going to line right up behind them. You know, it's almost like they
plan the whole thing. How smooththis has been. We get all these
stories of the chaos, the chaosand chaos, and yet boy, everything's
just kind of clicking in the place, except where are the Hillary supporters?
I mean, where where is thatfaction of the d n C. AOC
is not totally on board with Kamala. What what's this all about? No,
(02:15):
that's right because I think I thinkthe you know, the the weird
thing about the Biden administration is thathe ran as sort of the reasonable moderate
Democrat, but then he governed likea hard left progressive and I think people
like AOC know that they had himaround their fingers and they liked that.
(02:36):
I mean, I think it wasto their advantage that he wasn't really in
charge of his own administration. Hehad he had sort of contracted out to
the progressive left on all of theissues, and I think they're not quite
sure she's going to do that.There is a distrust among the progressive left
of Kamala because she was a prosecutorand that's how she sort of made her
(02:58):
reputation, and she was she wasa tough prosecutor. She put a lot
of people in jail for for minor, minor issues, drug possession and things
like that. You know, shewas one of these tough on crime type
of prosecutors. And you know,AOC and the progressive left are not very
comfortable with that. They don't likethe idea of putting criminals in jail.
(03:21):
They like the idea of of youknow, uh, this whole idea of
if it's less than nine hundred dollarsshoplifting, don't prosecute it. That's not
what Kamala did. Even as theyhave the big bad fellon Donald Trump over
there, drawing in black and LatinAmerican voters. Well, I think we've
(03:42):
already seen that that's going to beher at least that's going to be her
first out of the gate messaging isthat he's a felon and she's a prosecutor.
And I think that's why you hadthat quote, you know, I
know his type. I think that'sthat's obviously the first, the first campaign
messaging that they are going to do. But hasn't tom that that reputation as
(04:03):
a tough prosecutor been undone by thefact that she funded this this bail bail
reform thing to get all of thethe George Floyd protesters and rioters and vandalizers
and so on and so forth outof jail. So this is so you're
right she did. She did abig flip flop on this. I mean,
this is this is the way shemade her early career was by being
(04:25):
a tough on crime prosecutor. Andthen of course the mood changed on the
progressive left and you had this suddensocial justice emphasis on justice reform, on
criminal justice reform, and yeah,so the problem she's got is she is
vulnerable to attacks from the progressive leftbecause of this. But I think what
(04:49):
it comes down to, the progressiveleft is not going to make much of
that because again they think that theythink that Donald Trump is like the Antichrist,
and they think that, you know, anything that anyone does to prevent
Donald Trump from being re elected isgoing to be okay with them. So
(05:10):
it's no matter who. Right,their mantra has been vote blue, no
matter who, whether it's Biden orHarris or anybody else they put up there,
you're right, because it isn't avote for one of them, it's
a vote against Donald Trump. Theycannot control the site of July thirteen over
July six. It's been seen.Yeah, no, no, that's exactly
right, that's exactly right. Sothey'll line up, the media will line
(05:30):
up behind them. I mean,it was astonishing to me to you know,
the last several weeks. It wasastonishing to me to see how like
CNN, for instance, was aggressivelycovering the idea of Biden withdrawing. So
there was a clear move by sortof like the left leaning establishment that Biden
had to go. I was stillshocked that he did it, because he's
(05:55):
notoriously stubborn, but we certainly havelived in interesting times the last few days
and more to come, no questionabout it. Tom Jevinat, the president
of the Institute for Policy Innovation,
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