Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Arry Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
How long nights to jump the night speed? Take a
few moments agat coordinates from the navigating the right. They're
dating travel through hyperspace and like dust and crops, boy,
a precise calculation waits fly.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I threw a star.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I closed with super and open that an injured real
quick would. But I forgot how much I hate space trapping.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
And I think it's gonna be a long long time
to Dunn bradly round.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Une rocking man.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Elon Musk is not a scientist.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
He is not an en year.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
He is a billionaire con man with a lot of money.
He does not have this kind of good background.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And in fact, while.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
There's some disruption over that, I sincerely ask you all,
I sincerely ask you all to examine what expertise he has.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Racket You're Jimmy right, this is your house? Sure is
I'm wich? The wolf pros good? We got one, so
I heard I commend. Yet at lease do we can.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
See that recovery vessel slowly but surely closing the distance
there between dolphin can back again. We can we can
see that the dragon capsule and that is where our
crew nine team members will egress from the Dragon spacecraft.
Now Here on your screen we can see dolphins. Actually,
(02:00):
who wants to come and play with?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
With Dragon?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Elon Musk saved the US space program. If it wasn't
the Elon Musk, we would not be able to fly
US astronauts from US soil to the International Space Station.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Make no, that is no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
We stopped flying astronauts on Space Shuttle in twenty eleven.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Long time.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You can put this next segment into the burgeoning file
you have in your mind of do it today because
tomorrow is not promised. Live your life with purpose and intention,
(03:11):
not just being bounced around like a pinball, because it
will be over before you know it. Hug them tight
while you got him. I received an email from a
fellow that said, years ago, your show assisted us in
the death of our Marine son, Corporal Joseph Joey Logan.
(03:33):
I recently released a book, Fishing with Joey, which details
our three month cross country fishing trip before Joey was
deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip, we covered sixteen thousand
miles together. It was every father's dream, and little did
I know that it would be our last. Would your
(03:55):
show be interested in featuring a brief interview regarding the
book and my experiences in becoming a gold Star family member.
Thank you for considering this, and of course for your
previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely, Tom Logan, Willis, Texas.
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Tom, Thank you very much. It's been an honor. And
you wouldn't believe emotions right now, It's amazing, Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I would believe them. I just can't understand them, and
that is because I haven't felt what you felt. I
can only imagine, and I suspect that what I imagine
is one percent or less is an exponential explosion of
grief that you have to have losing your son. We're
(04:41):
not supposed to bury our children. It's just not supposed
to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, it isn't, but it happens, you know war.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The book is called Fishing with Joey, and let's take
it in a timeline slowly used by piece. Let's talk
about your son Joey. Tell me about him as a kid,
when he was a little fellow.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Joey was always that a personality he had He had
an opinion about everything, just like his dad, and we
had to follow him back several times. He can imagine
he was a protector even when he was younger. If
he saw something not right or wrong, or somebody getting
picked on, he would stepped in and he got in
trouble for a few fights. But he was he was
(05:25):
the He was the person that people respected and they
didn't mess with, and that followed on through his whole life.
You know, even in high school. I remember one time
that the new kid came into school and the regular
thugs were picking on him, and Joyce's comarre sit with
me at lunch and they're not going to bother you again,
and they left him alone. So he hadn't He had
(05:48):
a presence all the time, which is great.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And how did you come to find out that he
was going to join the Marines? Was this a surprise?
Is something he had talked about?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
No, it wasn't really surprised because just a brief story
of our family history, there were so many members in
our family that served in the military, probably on both
sides of the family. I mean, even going back to
the Civil War. My grandfather on the Italian side immigrated
from Italy prior to World War One. He wanted to
(06:19):
be a citizen so bad that he enlisted in the
army and went back to France and fought into battles
and the trenches. And then after that, dads, my dads
and uncles and his brothers and their brothers and everybody
else served in World War Two, had uncles and relatives
in Korea. Debby and I are Vietnam era veterans, and
(06:44):
we had three children involved in the Gulf Wars when
Joey passed away. Was Joey, Tommy, my oldest son, who
was in the Navy, and Andy, my youngest daughter, was
in the Marine Corps. And plus my son in law
was in the Army. And then my daughter Andy's husband
was also in the Marine Corps. So we've been, we've been,
we've been up there on the front lines quite a bit.
(07:07):
And all of those entered the Marine Corps before Joey did.
They were all about the same time. Tommy and Joey
were in a race to join the Marine Colign Army. Yeah,
it was, it was the wars were going on, it
was it was active. Everything was going on in her
acting Aghanistan.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And what was going on sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
They knew what was going on, They knew the war
was there, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
What was going on in his life personally when he
makes the decision to join the Marines. Is he working,
is he home from school? Is he figuring it out?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He had just graduated high school. And I guess you
don't realize that your children listen to you and emulate
you their whole life, but you don't think they're paying attention.
But he saw what my wife and I did. We
you know, we we enlisted during the Vietnam War and
both of us served with the Houston Police Department of
twenty one years debut twenty eight years, debuted twenty one years.
(08:04):
So he was he was, he was looking at something
to serve. He wanted to help, and and all of
a sudden he starts going to the recruiters that he
he depends. He decided, I'm gonna go on the Rine Corps.
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing
with Joey.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Where I can't believe he just said that happens to
Michael Barry show.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What a camera in the window got at them?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Long as I to see the land.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Marine Corporal Joey Logan,
was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash.
Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across
the country, spending father sontime. He wrote a book about
(09:25):
what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey
And he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me
that many years ago y'all rode together. Y'all were partners
at HPD.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, night shift on a west side. We had some
rowdy timestand man, why.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I said, I said, tell me some interesting things about him?
And he said, he's just a calm transplant from some
Yankee state. I can't recall which one. I think we
wrote T two OG eighties beat?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Twenty G eighties? How do you say that?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yep? Yeah, yeah to T Jay up in the north
end of this city, up there where West Timer area
all the way out to the city limits. Back then.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Oh oh.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
No, no, no, that's a different He's told me about
different areas that he worked over the years. So you
go on this trip with your son three months, you know,
nobody thinks to do that. What most people would have
said is when you get back, you'll have some great
stories to tell me. So when you get back, let's
let's take some time. How did you have three months?
Had you retired by that time?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah? I had just retired in two thousand and eight.
I went into work one day and it looked around
he had twenty eight years with HPD, and I'm like,
I'm done. You know, you get to the point, you know,
when you've had enough. And you know, at that many years,
we were settled. Debbie and I had a house up
here and Willis and she had retired already, and the
kids are getting older. I mean, you know, Joe was
eighteen nineteen then, and I says, we lost a lot
(10:53):
of time with our kids because we worked so much.
So you know, you can't make it up what you
could do with them, but you can. And that's what
happened with the decision trip with Joe. He was the
only one out of five kids that really loved the
outdoors like I did, and we decided after he graduated
from high school, I was going to go fishing for
the first year. I told my wife. She said, well,
you're a Fisher hollic, just go, but you're taking him
(11:13):
with you. I'm like, yeah, I know. But he had
hear himself pretty bad falling out a piece of glass
way prior to that, and he had severed his artery, tendons,
nerves and everything in his hand. And he called me,
you know, he said, Dad, Dad, my wrist is cutting.
Blood is square. I got my wrist, I said, Joe,
(11:35):
get your friends to put a turnquet down there and
rush you to the emergency room. So that was the
beginning of his rehab and his journey. Also because he
was already pre enlisted in the Marine Corps and he figured,
I'm done. I'm going to be a cripple my whole life.
Because the wound was severe or terrible, and the surgeon
that put his hand back together, how can there be
(11:58):
a micro surgeon on call at four o'clock in the morning,
And so this poor kids handback to the other nurse, arteries, tendens,
liquaments and everything. And there was actually no record in
the books of who the surgeon was. So I look
at it. I look at it as an angel putting
that kid's hand back together and given a chance in life.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was.
When would this have been and where this was?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Graduated high school two thousand and eight, so it'd be
two thousand and eight, and it would be about six
months prior to us going fishing. We started fishing in
the May June, so that would be the timeline hollow.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So that's made June of nine. Has he graduated, Oh,
because he's graduated at that point.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He graduated on eight, so he got to back up,
back up about six months, seven months prior to that,
so it would be the beginning of the beginning of eight.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And where was the surgeon? Where was the surgeon performed?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
From my knowledge, they took them Ben Tob and from
there we're we're in panicmode. I didn't couldn't even tell you.
I got the medical records.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So okay, well there's your answer. You know, doctors have
told me when you have a severe trauma like that,
Ben Tob is because they're doing that all night long.
I mean, if you've I've been down there in the
middle of the night's gunshots, knife things, it's it's it's rough.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I worked at ben Top night shift route there, you.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Know better than I do. Those guys are adrenaline junkies.
And those guys, those triage guys are amazing. I mean
to think, what a toll that takes on you. But
you know that's there. That's kind of their super bowl.
They're they're good at it. They may give us a
professional reward. All right, So y'all start the fishing trip.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, prior to that, he had to go through rehab
because his hand was so messed up. So he had
to go through fiscal therapy and he had just a
wonderful nurse and I think he sort of fell in
love with her too, but it's a whole nother story.
And it got to the point that his hand was working,
but it wasn't working properly. So I decided I was
going to go fishing anyway, and Debbie and I decided
(14:06):
he's going to go. So I told him, get your
fishing rod, get your fly rod, get out in the backyard.
Let me see you cast it. And you know, he
was whinding about it. I'm like, I don't think I can't.
I'm like, do it. You know, I don't play with
my kids. They get their hardcore. And he started doing
it he started doing it. I said, okay, we're going
load the truck with everything we got and fishing camping gear,
Coleman stoves, you know, all the fly rods and spinning
(14:28):
rods and everything you could imagine to go on a
fishing trip. But he had no idea that we're going
to stay gone from June till we got back mid October.
It was almost four months by the time we got back.
And the first thing he says, where were we going
to go? Arkansas? I'm like, we're going to start there.
So we used to fight fish the White River in
Arkansas for trout and it was, you know, an amazing
place to fish because anybody can catch a fish there.
(14:50):
And that's how we started. And I had the whole
route planned out a year ahead of time for myself
with the trout magazines of fishing magazine. So I to
all the you know it itinerary to go, and I
highlighted every place we're going to go. And then while
we were on our way, beload the truck and left
than Debby waved goodbye to see you guys later. I
(15:11):
don't think she knew how long we're gonna stay gone,
So tell me about that trip, Well, it's like I said,
it started in Arkansas, and we fished nine states, most
of them west of the Mississippi. There was Arkansas, naturally, Missouri, Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Colorado,
(15:33):
n I'm not done yet, Arizona, Wyoming, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan.
And we drove. I drove most of the time, sixteen
thousand miles. Are you familiar with the Lewis and Clark
expedition of course, yeah, Well they only traveled eight thousand
miles and we doubled there. Yeah, we doubled their expedition.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
They weren't doing it at eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I know.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Hold on just a second. The book is called Fishing
with Joey. We're talking to a GoldStar Dad, Tom Logan.
We're coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson
Lee and the camps and the Triple Crown. Weave is
you know, tilted to the side, the leaning tower of Weaver.
They retired HPD officer right now. We spent three months
(16:28):
with his son, Joey Logan, before Joey would go off
to serve in Afghanistan, where he was deployed as a
marine that trip would be the last. He wrote a
book about it after his son Joey Logan died in Afghanistan,
and the book is called Fishing with Joey. You can
find it wherever you buy your books online, bookstores.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You name it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So, Tom Logan, tell me about the day and we'll
come back to the trip itself. Tell me about the
day that you get the awful news about your son.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, it's it's it's riveting, that's all. Like to say.
We were at home the ten thirty at night. But
prior to that, in the morning, Joe had called us
from Afghanistan. They says, Hey, I'm coming home in twenty
eight days. I'm going to take your truck and do
all kinds of stuff. And the main thing he had,
(17:28):
he said, he was focused on, I'm going to go
visit every living relative I have, from grandparents to babies.
And I'm like, Joe, that's impossible. You can't do it
in thirty days. Ye, I'm going to do it. And
the ironic thing that happened is every living family member
that we had attend at his funeral. How does that happen?
I mean, it's impossible, but they came came, he came home,
(17:51):
and they came home to send him to heaven, you know,
and you know, you just talked to him that that morning. Hey,
I'm coming home. I can't wait. We're going to go
fishing again. We got all kinds of stuff to do.
I hope. I was planning on as I got older,
him taking me somewhere, you know, And that was our
plan and never never retained trauition. So we get to
(18:11):
knock on the door ten thirty at night and Debbie's
looking out the windows says, there's two marines out there
and one looks like Joey. I said, death. There's no
way that can be joe We just talked to him
in Afghanistan. And then the reality set in and we
opened the door and they, you know, they presented themselves
and they presented a paperwork and said Joey had been
killed in the helicopter crash, and everything went spiraling downhill.
(18:36):
From there. You're in disbelief. You have no clue what
your mind goes through and where your senses go. It
was just it was devastating. You know. At that time,
we had three kids deployed. Tommy was in the Persian
golf Andy was the marine course. She was flying drunk somewhere,
and Joey was in combat, flying out and finding helicopters.
(18:57):
So at first we didn't know what happened to any
of them, and then they told us about joe.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
What happened.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
As far as the helicopter crash, you're saying, well, there
was always controversy about that kind of stuff. And they
were flying a resupply mission to a fob out in
the on the desert out there, and the unit that
was out there was running around supplies. They had, didn't
have harden any food of the water, and they could
(19:27):
not come back in by road because the IED's and
the Taliban were really intense out there. So Joey and
his crew it was the second second resupply that night,
flew out the second time to drop off supplies to them,
and it was just a random, random resupply. They'd done
it hundreds of times, and there were two helicopters went out.
They'd go on pairs, and I talked to the other
(19:51):
crew of the other helicopter and all they said they
saw a flash and then the helicopter started coming out
of sky, hit the ground, exploded and caught on fire
and that's that's that's the crash. And we don't know
if it was mechanical or enemy fire. But Joey always
talked about the golden bullet. He says, all you need
is the right bullet in the right place, and you've
(20:11):
got problems mechanically. And he said that as soon as
we left base there at camp out, at Camp Bastion,
we're catching ground fire from the time we flew out
to the time and came back. So everything could have happened.
And the Marine, the Department of Navy sent us a
redacted report of everything. And I have not read the
whole thing yet because it's too it's too intense because
you could imagine what happens when you fall from four
(20:33):
thousand feet and hit the ground and explode, catching on fire,
you know, So that memory is forever in my mind.
It's not going to go away, you know. And six
couldn't ring died that night, you know, And there was
it was not just joe It's it was you know,
the pilot, which is Daniel Bartow and Nathan McCone was
comed pilot, both Captain's uh Master Sergeant Travis Riddick, he
(20:58):
was Master sergeant had twenty years he could reach our
already went back to Afghanistan. Jesse Sipes was a corporal,
Kevin Reinhardt was a corporal, and Joey was a corporal
and they love what they're doing. Joey called me one
time from Afghanistan. I guess what, I got the greatest
job in the world. I'm tell me what, come on?
And he says, I get to fly around helicopters all
day and all night, shoot big guns and get paid
for it. I'm like, joe just get home, just quick.
(21:21):
Enough is enough. You've fought enough wars out there. In
that last deployment, he was the most flown observer aerial observer,
which means he was on a fifty cal machine gun
with two other corporals giving ground support to the troops
on the ground. And he was alerted two arrowing medals
with strike flight, which means he flew in that deployment
(21:43):
seven months over forty two combat missions. So he was
running a gun and that many times, and god knows
how many other missions. He flew resupplies and they had
special ops. I've talked to some Marines and Marsac guys. Yeah,
those guys were flying us all over the place. So
those men, those Marines were really intense, dedicated individuals like
Tom Superman. They are heroes. So that's that's what it
(22:10):
was all about. They stepped forward. There was the less
than one percent of this country and they said, I'm
going to do this for our country, our flag, our nation,
people of population here and al much more people would
understand that, you know, and show these guys some respect
and honor they deserve. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that that's
(22:38):
what I's I think that's what the main reason for
writing this book was because there was a divine intervention
with me because I'm not that bright. I might sound
like I got a brain, but half the time it's
you know, a turn off. But I started journaling from
the first day, writing notes and journaling and remembering stuff
and you know, his military experien eriances, the fishing trip
(23:01):
and everything else to some of the wonderful people. Over
the last thirteen years, they have come into our lives
and they still are helping, which is amazing that there's
so many great patriots, are so many great individuals in
this country that really care, and that that really makes
me feel good. Every day I wake up I'm like,
what's the next email, Who's the next phone call? I
(23:21):
call them miracles.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment.
Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing
with Joey. This is not a war story. This is
a story about grief and dealing with it and making
the most memories and will take it to that level
coming up together. Yeah, the girls all get pretty closing time.
When you're listening to the Michael Berry Show. I'm going
(23:47):
to be like you then you know, I'm going to
be like you make memories, folks, and you still can.
You just don't know. We're not prom much tomorrow. HPD
officer Tom Logan had retired after twenty eight years on
the department. His wife twenty one retired to Willis, Texas.
(24:11):
His son, Joseph Joey Logan had just graduated in Willis,
Texas and signed up for the Marines. He's headed off.
His dad and he go on a three month cross
country fishing trip across multiple states and countries, and they
(24:31):
made memories. His son would pass in a helicopter crash
in Afghanistan, and he began journaling about those what he
called divine coincidences to deal with his grief, and out
of that came the book Fishing with Joey. You can
find it on Amazon or at any bookstore or wherever
(24:54):
else you buy your books.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is there a website for this book, Tom, Yeah, it's
it's on Amazon. Uh. Just you click on it and
you just put in fishing for Joeying, it comes up,
you know, for sale there on Amazon. I like to
say something about Amazon too. The book is in the
pretty much religious spiritual Christian book in death and death
and grief category and right now is sitting at number
(25:19):
one as far as Amazon, and it's rated at five stars.
So I was, that's good, right, That is amazing. And
nothing get the five star in this world, buddy, it's
always four and three eights or whatever else or a two.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You are, you're a five star gold star bad. I
think it's fantastic that out of this grief you manage
to channel that into something that can help other people.
And and and that's a very selfless act. Hard I
think for some people to realize that. But I know
you know that as as a law enforcement officer from
(25:55):
a family of service, I read that you're that you
created a Montana Mountain retreat. Out of this, tell me
about that.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh that was That's that's another miracle. I mean, Joey
and I fished so many places, and after we came
out of British Columbia, we dropped down into Montana and Libby, Montana,
and that's when I think he fell in love with
Montana and he just talked about it, talked about a
matter of fact, Daniel Barrow, the pilot, was from Montana,
so I think they both had conversations about Montana while
(26:24):
they're flying and hanging out together. So Joey's last phone
call home that morning I was telling you about earlier,
was all about buying property in Montana, building cabins for
Marine Corps buds that come back and just decompress and
relax and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness. And then you know,
(26:45):
that night we got the call and Debbie, my wife,
said we need to do this for Joey. That's his legacy.
I'm like, Dad, it's really hard for me to go
back and retrace all those places and all the memories
were well up, and she said, we're doing it. So
we ended up getting into we went in a Toyota
Corolla and drove all the way back to Montana, talked
(27:05):
to a couple of real estate agents, and we finally
found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness, one hundred and
sixty five acres four miles up Mountain Road in the
middle of Lolo National Forest and Lolo National Forests running.
Our property is three thousand, one hundred and fifty square
miles of Montana Idaho wilderness. So's it's it's unbelievable that
(27:30):
that happened. There's no there's no possible way unless the
hand of God just died is right to the place.
And from there we started building six cabins and in
honor of each of our fallen marines, and we've got
five out of six up and running. We've got one
more to put up, and our goal is to get
our combat veterans and disabled veterans up there and let
(27:52):
them enjoy what Joey and I enjoyed and what we
love and beautifuls off the grid. A lot of times
there's no cell phone or internet reception, so you got
to enjoy your surroundings. You can't be on the phone
or on the laptop, you know, connecting with the real
world and that's what it's all about. Disconnect and relax
and look at the stars at night, look at the wilderness.
Go on to height. The Clark Fork River is right
(28:15):
down the mountain below us, and there's fishing there, kayaking, canoeing,
all kinds of outdoor activities. So if you love the outdoors,
it's a perfect place to bring yourself, your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy,
and your families because we want to have a family
oriented because when guys come back from the deployment, they're disconnected.
They never leave the war, and their families suffer, their
kids suffer, their wife suffer. People don't understand the PTSD
(28:38):
and everything else that is wrapped up in their minds,
plus the physical physical injuries. It's a really hard road
to tow. Matter of fact, I'm going to a PTSD
meeting every Tuesday at the Messodist Church in the Woodlands
strictly for combat PTSD veterans. And I guess I got grief.
Grief and PTSD to meter or same things. Because all
(28:58):
we do is think about what happened. It's hard, it's
hard to hard to process. So that's why we're up
there in Montana and we do it seasonally from end
of May until October before the snow starts hitting again.
They We're back to Texas working and stuff. Here.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of
America and residential facility called Camp Hope.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And that's yeah, that's that's whe these guys come from
Camp Hope. Yeah, and I'm gonna I'm a good probably
hopefully this week or actually do a tour with them
and talk to their management up there and see if
they can figure out how to sense a group of
guys up there. Just a just a that's that's what
I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What a neat deal. One hundred and sixty four acres
next to the Lolo National Forest in Montana and soon
to be six cabins five so far. That's uh, you
know that that is really that's incredible. That y'all have
been able to pull that off is incredible. Two police
(30:09):
officers and able to make this a reality is man,
It's just it's it really is amazing. I have about
a minute left. Why don't you share with us how
you deal with what has to be crippling grief? Have
(30:33):
you learned some things that you can share on that?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah? And I think that's the basic reason for the book.
I want to share what I do and with other
gold Star families all over the country, all over the world,
and it's finding something positive every day, something that makes
you happy. Relive the good memories and bad memories will
always be there, but take it upon yourself to enjoy
(31:00):
every minute your life, Enjoy your family, your children, and
the people that surround you that are good people, and
make it a celebration of their lives. And that's that's
what it's all about as far as I'm concerned. And
every every day I get up, I've got so many
hobbies with the outdoors and hunting and fishing and stuff
like that. And I I was working with Healing Waters
(31:23):
for a while, helping them build fly rods or disabled
vets and fishing and stuff like that. So I always
get involved with a like minded group and people that
they love their kids as much as we love ours.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Thank you for telling your story, Thank you for your
family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey
It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So
Michael Arry Show is on the air.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
How long nights to jump the night speed? Take a
few moments agat coordinates from the navigating the right. They're
dating travel through hyperspace and like dust and crops, boy,
a precise calculation waits fly.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I threw a star.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I closed with super and open that an injured real
quick would. But I forgot how much I hate space trapping.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
And I think it's gonna be a long long time
to Dunn bradly round.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Une rocking man.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Elon Musk is not a scientist.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
He is not an en year.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
He is a billionaire con man with a lot of money.
He does not have this kind of good background.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And in fact, while.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
There's some disruption over that, I sincerely ask you all,
I sincerely ask you all to examine what expertise he has.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Racket You're Jimmy right, this is your house? Sure is
I'm wich? The wolf pros good? We got one, so
I heard I commend. Yet at lease do we can.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
See that recovery vessel slowly but surely closing the distance
there between dolphin can back again. We can we can
see that the dragon capsule and that is where our
crew nine team members will egress from the Dragon spacecraft.
Now Here on your screen we can see dolphins. Actually,
(02:00):
who wants to come and play with?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
With Dragon?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Elon Musk saved the US space program. If it wasn't
the Elon Musk, we would not be able to fly
US astronauts from US soil to the International Space Station.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Make no, that is no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
We stopped flying astronauts on Space Shuttle in twenty eleven.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Long time.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
You can put this next segment into the burgeoning file
you have in your mind of do it today because
tomorrow is not promised. Live your life with purpose and intention,
(03:11):
not just being bounced around like a pinball, because it
will be over before you know it. Hug them tight
while you got him. I received an email from a
fellow that said, years ago, your show assisted us in
the death of our Marine son, Corporal Joseph Joey Logan.
(03:33):
I recently released a book, Fishing with Joey, which details
our three month cross country fishing trip before Joey was
deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip, we covered sixteen thousand
miles together. It was every father's dream, and little did
I know that it would be our last. Would your
(03:55):
show be interested in featuring a brief interview regarding the
book and my experiences in becoming a gold Star family member.
Thank you for considering this, and of course for your
previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely, Tom Logan, Willis, Texas.
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Tom, Thank you very much. It's been an honor. And
you wouldn't believe emotions right now, It's amazing, Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I would believe them. I just can't understand them, and
that is because I haven't felt what you felt. I
can only imagine, and I suspect that what I imagine
is one percent or less is an exponential explosion of
grief that you have to have losing your son. We're
(04:41):
not supposed to bury our children. It's just not supposed
to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, it isn't, but it happens, you know war.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The book is called Fishing with Joey, and let's take
it in a timeline slowly used by piece. Let's talk
about your son Joey. Tell me about him as a kid,
when he was a little fellow.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Joey was always that a personality he had He had
an opinion about everything, just like his dad, and we
had to follow him back several times. He can imagine
he was a protector even when he was younger. If
he saw something not right or wrong, or somebody getting
picked on, he would stepped in and he got in
trouble for a few fights. But he was he was
(05:25):
the He was the person that people respected and they
didn't mess with, and that followed on through his whole life.
You know, even in high school. I remember one time
that the new kid came into school and the regular
thugs were picking on him, and Joyce's comarre sit with
me at lunch and they're not going to bother you again,
and they left him alone. So he hadn't He had
(05:48):
a presence all the time, which is great.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And how did you come to find out that he
was going to join the Marines? Was this a surprise?
Is something he had talked about?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
No, it wasn't really surprised because just a brief story
of our family history, there were so many members in
our family that served in the military, probably on both
sides of the family. I mean, even going back to
the Civil War. My grandfather on the Italian side immigrated
from Italy prior to World War One. He wanted to
(06:19):
be a citizen so bad that he enlisted in the
army and went back to France and fought into battles
and the trenches. And then after that, dads, my dads
and uncles and his brothers and their brothers and everybody
else served in World War Two, had uncles and relatives
in Korea. Debby and I are Vietnam era veterans, and
(06:44):
we had three children involved in the Gulf Wars when
Joey passed away. Was Joey, Tommy, my oldest son, who
was in the Navy, and Andy, my youngest daughter, was
in the Marine Corps. And plus my son in law
was in the Army. And then my daughter Andy's husband
was also in the Marine Corps. So we've been, we've been,
we've been up there on the front lines quite a bit.
(07:07):
And all of those entered the Marine Corps before Joey did.
They were all about the same time. Tommy and Joey
were in a race to join the Marine Colign Army. Yeah,
it was, it was the wars were going on, it
was it was active. Everything was going on in her
acting Aghanistan.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And what was going on sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
They knew what was going on, They knew the war
was there, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
What was going on in his life personally when he
makes the decision to join the Marines. Is he working,
is he home from school? Is he figuring it out?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He had just graduated high school. And I guess you
don't realize that your children listen to you and emulate
you their whole life, but you don't think they're paying attention.
But he saw what my wife and I did. We
you know, we we enlisted during the Vietnam War and
both of us served with the Houston Police Department of
twenty one years debut twenty eight years, debuted twenty one years.
(08:04):
So he was he was, he was looking at something
to serve. He wanted to help, and and all of
a sudden he starts going to the recruiters that he
he depends. He decided, I'm gonna go on the Rine Corps.
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing
with Joey.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Where I can't believe he just said that happens to
Michael Barry show.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What a camera in the window got at them?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Long as I to see the land.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Marine Corporal Joey Logan,
was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash.
Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across
the country, spending father sontime. He wrote a book about
(09:25):
what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey
And he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me
that many years ago y'all rode together. Y'all were partners
at HPD.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, night shift on a west side. We had some
rowdy timestand man, why.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I said, I said, tell me some interesting things about him?
And he said, he's just a calm transplant from some
Yankee state. I can't recall which one. I think we
wrote T two OG eighties beat?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Twenty G eighties? How do you say that?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yep? Yeah, yeah to T Jay up in the north
end of this city, up there where West Timer area
all the way out to the city limits. Back then.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Oh oh.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
No, no, no, that's a different He's told me about
different areas that he worked over the years. So you
go on this trip with your son three months, you know,
nobody thinks to do that. What most people would have
said is when you get back, you'll have some great
stories to tell me. So when you get back, let's
let's take some time. How did you have three months?
Had you retired by that time?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah? I had just retired in two thousand and eight.
I went into work one day and it looked around
he had twenty eight years with HPD, and I'm like,
I'm done. You know, you get to the point, you know,
when you've had enough. And you know, at that many years,
we were settled. Debbie and I had a house up
here and Willis and she had retired already, and the
kids are getting older. I mean, you know, Joe was
eighteen nineteen then, and I says, we lost a lot
(10:53):
of time with our kids because we worked so much.
So you know, you can't make it up what you
could do with them, but you can. And that's what
happened with the decision trip with Joe. He was the
only one out of five kids that really loved the
outdoors like I did, and we decided after he graduated
from high school, I was going to go fishing for
the first year. I told my wife. She said, well,
you're a Fisher hollic, just go, but you're taking him
(11:13):
with you. I'm like, yeah, I know. But he had
hear himself pretty bad falling out a piece of glass
way prior to that, and he had severed his artery, tendons,
nerves and everything in his hand. And he called me,
you know, he said, Dad, Dad, my wrist is cutting.
Blood is square. I got my wrist, I said, Joe,
(11:35):
get your friends to put a turnquet down there and
rush you to the emergency room. So that was the
beginning of his rehab and his journey. Also because he
was already pre enlisted in the Marine Corps and he figured,
I'm done. I'm going to be a cripple my whole life.
Because the wound was severe or terrible, and the surgeon
that put his hand back together, how can there be
(11:58):
a micro surgeon on call at four o'clock in the morning,
And so this poor kids handback to the other nurse, arteries, tendens,
liquaments and everything. And there was actually no record in
the books of who the surgeon was. So I look
at it. I look at it as an angel putting
that kid's hand back together and given a chance in life.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was.
When would this have been and where this was?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Graduated high school two thousand and eight, so it'd be
two thousand and eight, and it would be about six
months prior to us going fishing. We started fishing in
the May June, so that would be the timeline hollow.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So that's made June of nine. Has he graduated, Oh,
because he's graduated at that point.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He graduated on eight, so he got to back up,
back up about six months, seven months prior to that,
so it would be the beginning of the beginning of eight.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And where was the surgeon? Where was the surgeon performed?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
From my knowledge, they took them Ben Tob and from
there we're we're in panicmode. I didn't couldn't even tell you.
I got the medical records.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So okay, well there's your answer. You know, doctors have
told me when you have a severe trauma like that,
Ben Tob is because they're doing that all night long.
I mean, if you've I've been down there in the
middle of the night's gunshots, knife things, it's it's it's rough.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I worked at ben Top night shift route there, you.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Know better than I do. Those guys are adrenaline junkies.
And those guys, those triage guys are amazing. I mean
to think, what a toll that takes on you. But
you know that's there. That's kind of their super bowl.
They're they're good at it. They may give us a
professional reward. All right, So y'all start the fishing trip.
Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, prior to that, he had to go through rehab
because his hand was so messed up. So he had
to go through fiscal therapy and he had just a
wonderful nurse and I think he sort of fell in
love with her too, but it's a whole nother story.
And it got to the point that his hand was working,
but it wasn't working properly. So I decided I was
going to go fishing anyway, and Debbie and I decided
(14:06):
he's going to go. So I told him, get your
fishing rod, get your fly rod, get out in the backyard.
Let me see you cast it. And you know, he
was whinding about it. I'm like, I don't think I can't.
I'm like, do it. You know, I don't play with
my kids. They get their hardcore. And he started doing
it he started doing it. I said, okay, we're going
load the truck with everything we got and fishing camping gear,
Coleman stoves, you know, all the fly rods and spinning
(14:28):
rods and everything you could imagine to go on a
fishing trip. But he had no idea that we're going
to stay gone from June till we got back mid October.
It was almost four months by the time we got back.
And the first thing he says, where were we going
to go? Arkansas? I'm like, we're going to start there.
So we used to fight fish the White River in
Arkansas for trout and it was, you know, an amazing
place to fish because anybody can catch a fish there.
(14:50):
And that's how we started. And I had the whole
route planned out a year ahead of time for myself
with the trout magazines of fishing magazine. So I to
all the you know it itinerary to go, and I
highlighted every place we're going to go. And then while
we were on our way, beload the truck and left
than Debby waved goodbye to see you guys later. I
(15:11):
don't think she knew how long we're gonna stay gone,
So tell me about that trip, Well, it's like I said,
it started in Arkansas, and we fished nine states, most
of them west of the Mississippi. There was Arkansas, naturally, Missouri, Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Colorado,
(15:33):
n I'm not done yet, Arizona, Wyoming, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan.
And we drove. I drove most of the time, sixteen
thousand miles. Are you familiar with the Lewis and Clark
expedition of course, yeah, Well they only traveled eight thousand
miles and we doubled there. Yeah, we doubled their expedition.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
They weren't doing it at eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I know.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Hold on just a second. The book is called Fishing
with Joey. We're talking to a GoldStar Dad, Tom Logan.
We're coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson
Lee and the camps and the Triple Crown. Weave is
you know, tilted to the side, the leaning tower of Weaver.
They retired HPD officer right now. We spent three months
(16:28):
with his son, Joey Logan, before Joey would go off
to serve in Afghanistan, where he was deployed as a
marine that trip would be the last. He wrote a
book about it after his son Joey Logan died in Afghanistan,
and the book is called Fishing with Joey. You can
find it wherever you buy your books online, bookstores.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You name it.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
So, Tom Logan, tell me about the day and we'll
come back to the trip itself. Tell me about the
day that you get the awful news about your son.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, it's it's it's riveting, that's all. Like to say.
We were at home the ten thirty at night. But
prior to that, in the morning, Joe had called us
from Afghanistan. They says, Hey, I'm coming home in twenty
eight days. I'm going to take your truck and do
all kinds of stuff. And the main thing he had,
(17:28):
he said, he was focused on, I'm going to go
visit every living relative I have, from grandparents to babies.
And I'm like, Joe, that's impossible. You can't do it
in thirty days. Ye, I'm going to do it. And
the ironic thing that happened is every living family member
that we had attend at his funeral. How does that happen?
I mean, it's impossible, but they came came, he came home,
(17:51):
and they came home to send him to heaven, you know,
and you know, you just talked to him that that morning. Hey,
I'm coming home. I can't wait. We're going to go
fishing again. We got all kinds of stuff to do.
I hope. I was planning on as I got older,
him taking me somewhere, you know, And that was our
plan and never never retained trauition. So we get to
(18:11):
knock on the door ten thirty at night and Debbie's
looking out the windows says, there's two marines out there
and one looks like Joey. I said, death. There's no
way that can be joe We just talked to him
in Afghanistan. And then the reality set in and we
opened the door and they, you know, they presented themselves
and they presented a paperwork and said Joey had been
killed in the helicopter crash, and everything went spiraling downhill.
(18:36):
From there. You're in disbelief. You have no clue what
your mind goes through and where your senses go. It
was just it was devastating. You know. At that time,
we had three kids deployed. Tommy was in the Persian
golf Andy was the marine course. She was flying drunk somewhere,
and Joey was in combat, flying out and finding helicopters.
(18:57):
So at first we didn't know what happened to any
of them, and then they told us about joe.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
What happened.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
As far as the helicopter crash, you're saying, well, there
was always controversy about that kind of stuff. And they
were flying a resupply mission to a fob out in
the on the desert out there, and the unit that
was out there was running around supplies. They had, didn't
have harden any food of the water, and they could
(19:27):
not come back in by road because the IED's and
the Taliban were really intense out there. So Joey and
his crew it was the second second resupply that night,
flew out the second time to drop off supplies to them,
and it was just a random, random resupply. They'd done
it hundreds of times, and there were two helicopters went out.
They'd go on pairs, and I talked to the other
(19:51):
crew of the other helicopter and all they said they
saw a flash and then the helicopter started coming out
of sky, hit the ground, exploded and caught on fire
and that's that's that's the crash. And we don't know
if it was mechanical or enemy fire. But Joey always
talked about the golden bullet. He says, all you need
is the right bullet in the right place, and you've
(20:11):
got problems mechanically. And he said that as soon as
we left base there at camp out, at Camp Bastion,
we're catching ground fire from the time we flew out
to the time and came back. So everything could have happened.
And the Marine, the Department of Navy sent us a
redacted report of everything. And I have not read the
whole thing yet because it's too it's too intense because
you could imagine what happens when you fall from four
(20:33):
thousand feet and hit the ground and explode, catching on fire,
you know, So that memory is forever in my mind.
It's not going to go away, you know. And six
couldn't ring died that night, you know, And there was
it was not just joe It's it was you know,
the pilot, which is Daniel Bartow and Nathan McCone was
comed pilot, both Captain's uh Master Sergeant Travis Riddick, he
(20:58):
was Master sergeant had twenty years he could reach our
already went back to Afghanistan. Jesse Sipes was a corporal,
Kevin Reinhardt was a corporal, and Joey was a corporal
and they love what they're doing. Joey called me one
time from Afghanistan. I guess what, I got the greatest
job in the world. I'm tell me what, come on?
And he says, I get to fly around helicopters all
day and all night, shoot big guns and get paid
for it. I'm like, joe just get home, just quick.
(21:21):
Enough is enough. You've fought enough wars out there. In
that last deployment, he was the most flown observer aerial observer,
which means he was on a fifty cal machine gun
with two other corporals giving ground support to the troops
on the ground. And he was alerted two arrowing medals
with strike flight, which means he flew in that deployment
(21:43):
seven months over forty two combat missions. So he was
running a gun and that many times, and god knows
how many other missions. He flew resupplies and they had
special ops. I've talked to some Marines and Marsac guys. Yeah,
those guys were flying us all over the place. So
those men, those Marines were really intense, dedicated individuals like
Tom Superman. They are heroes. So that's that's what it
(22:10):
was all about. They stepped forward. There was the less
than one percent of this country and they said, I'm
going to do this for our country, our flag, our nation,
people of population here and al much more people would
understand that, you know, and show these guys some respect
and honor they deserve. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that that's
(22:38):
what I's I think that's what the main reason for
writing this book was because there was a divine intervention
with me because I'm not that bright. I might sound
like I got a brain, but half the time it's
you know, a turn off. But I started journaling from
the first day, writing notes and journaling and remembering stuff
and you know, his military experien eriances, the fishing trip
(23:01):
and everything else to some of the wonderful people. Over
the last thirteen years, they have come into our lives
and they still are helping, which is amazing that there's
so many great patriots, are so many great individuals in
this country that really care, and that that really makes
me feel good. Every day I wake up I'm like,
what's the next email, Who's the next phone call? I
(23:21):
call them miracles.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment.
Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing
with Joey. This is not a war story. This is
a story about grief and dealing with it and making
the most memories and will take it to that level
coming up together. Yeah, the girls all get pretty closing time.
When you're listening to the Michael Berry Show. I'm going
(23:47):
to be like you then you know, I'm going to
be like you make memories, folks, and you still can.
You just don't know. We're not prom much tomorrow. HPD
officer Tom Logan had retired after twenty eight years on
the department. His wife twenty one retired to Willis, Texas.
(24:11):
His son, Joseph Joey Logan had just graduated in Willis,
Texas and signed up for the Marines. He's headed off.
His dad and he go on a three month cross
country fishing trip across multiple states and countries, and they
(24:31):
made memories. His son would pass in a helicopter crash
in Afghanistan, and he began journaling about those what he
called divine coincidences to deal with his grief, and out
of that came the book Fishing with Joey. You can
find it on Amazon or at any bookstore or wherever
(24:54):
else you buy your books.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Is there a website for this book, Tom, Yeah, it's
it's on Amazon. Uh. Just you click on it and
you just put in fishing for Joeying, it comes up,
you know, for sale there on Amazon. I like to
say something about Amazon too. The book is in the
pretty much religious spiritual Christian book in death and death
and grief category and right now is sitting at number
(25:19):
one as far as Amazon, and it's rated at five stars.
So I was, that's good, right, That is amazing. And
nothing get the five star in this world, buddy, it's
always four and three eights or whatever else or a two.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
You are, you're a five star gold star bad. I
think it's fantastic that out of this grief you manage
to channel that into something that can help other people.
And and and that's a very selfless act. Hard I
think for some people to realize that. But I know
you know that as as a law enforcement officer from
(25:55):
a family of service, I read that you're that you
created a Montana Mountain retreat. Out of this, tell me
about that.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Oh that was That's that's another miracle. I mean, Joey
and I fished so many places, and after we came
out of British Columbia, we dropped down into Montana and Libby, Montana,
and that's when I think he fell in love with
Montana and he just talked about it, talked about a
matter of fact, Daniel Barrow, the pilot, was from Montana,
so I think they both had conversations about Montana while
(26:24):
they're flying and hanging out together. So Joey's last phone
call home that morning I was telling you about earlier,
was all about buying property in Montana, building cabins for
Marine Corps buds that come back and just decompress and
relax and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness. And then you know,
(26:45):
that night we got the call and Debbie, my wife,
said we need to do this for Joey. That's his legacy.
I'm like, Dad, it's really hard for me to go
back and retrace all those places and all the memories
were well up, and she said, we're doing it. So
we ended up getting into we went in a Toyota
Corolla and drove all the way back to Montana, talked
(27:05):
to a couple of real estate agents, and we finally
found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness, one hundred and
sixty five acres four miles up Mountain Road in the
middle of Lolo National Forest and Lolo National Forests running.
Our property is three thousand, one hundred and fifty square
miles of Montana Idaho wilderness. So's it's it's unbelievable that
(27:30):
that happened. There's no there's no possible way unless the
hand of God just died is right to the place.
And from there we started building six cabins and in
honor of each of our fallen marines, and we've got
five out of six up and running. We've got one
more to put up, and our goal is to get
our combat veterans and disabled veterans up there and let
(27:52):
them enjoy what Joey and I enjoyed and what we
love and beautifuls off the grid. A lot of times
there's no cell phone or internet reception, so you got
to enjoy your surroundings. You can't be on the phone
or on the laptop, you know, connecting with the real
world and that's what it's all about. Disconnect and relax
and look at the stars at night, look at the wilderness.
Go on to height. The Clark Fork River is right
(28:15):
down the mountain below us, and there's fishing there, kayaking, canoeing,
all kinds of outdoor activities. So if you love the outdoors,
it's a perfect place to bring yourself, your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy,
and your families because we want to have a family
oriented because when guys come back from the deployment, they're disconnected.
They never leave the war, and their families suffer, their
kids suffer, their wife suffer. People don't understand the PTSD
(28:38):
and everything else that is wrapped up in their minds,
plus the physical physical injuries. It's a really hard road
to tow. Matter of fact, I'm going to a PTSD
meeting every Tuesday at the Messodist Church in the Woodlands
strictly for combat PTSD veterans. And I guess I got grief.
Grief and PTSD to meter or same things. Because all
(28:58):
we do is think about what happened. It's hard, it's
hard to hard to process. So that's why we're up
there in Montana and we do it seasonally from end
of May until October before the snow starts hitting again.
They We're back to Texas working and stuff. Here.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of
America and residential facility called Camp Hope.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And that's yeah, that's that's whe these guys come from
Camp Hope. Yeah, and I'm gonna I'm a good probably
hopefully this week or actually do a tour with them
and talk to their management up there and see if
they can figure out how to sense a group of
guys up there. Just a just a that's that's what
I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
What a neat deal. One hundred and sixty four acres
next to the Lolo National Forest in Montana and soon
to be six cabins five so far. That's uh, you
know that that is really that's incredible. That y'all have
been able to pull that off is incredible. Two police
(30:09):
officers and able to make this a reality is man,
It's just it's it really is amazing. I have about
a minute left. Why don't you share with us how
you deal with what has to be crippling grief? Have
(30:33):
you learned some things that you can share on that?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah? And I think that's the basic reason for the book.
I want to share what I do and with other
gold Star families all over the country, all over the world,
and it's finding something positive every day, something that makes
you happy. Relive the good memories and bad memories will
always be there, but take it upon yourself to enjoy
(31:00):
every minute your life, Enjoy your family, your children, and
the people that surround you that are good people, and
make it a celebration of their lives. And that's that's
what it's all about as far as I'm concerned. And
every every day I get up, I've got so many
hobbies with the outdoors and hunting and fishing and stuff
like that. And I I was working with Healing Waters
(31:23):
for a while, helping them build fly rods or disabled
vets and fishing and stuff like that. So I always
get involved with a like minded group and people that
they love their kids as much as we love ours.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Thank you for telling your story, Thank you for your
family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey
Popular Podcasts
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy And Charlamagne Tha God!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Decisions, Decisions
Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!