AM Show Hr 2 | Texas Rep. Brent Money on School Vouchers and Education Reform

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's that time time time, time, luck and load.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Michael darry Show is on the air officially turned around.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Guys, we are back, baby, we are back.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We are back. Yeah, classic, we are back.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yes, b B looking love.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Where we just take a look at at at all
the federal agencies and say, do we really need whatever
it is four hundred and twenty eight federal agencies?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Like, there's so many that people ever.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Heard of, and that half of overlapping areas of responsibility
we should I don't know, probably we should get I mean,
there are more federal agencies than there are years since
the established in the United States, which means that we've
created more than one federal agency per year on average.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
That seems a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot.
So we should that seems crazy. I think we should
ailed to get away with ninety nine agencies. I don't know.
That seems to a lot, like a lot of agency,
A lot. I know not.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
We need a little.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
I do not.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Need at I got a message to themands of illegal
as that Joe Biden's released in our country in violation
of federal law. You better start packing now. You're damn right,
because you're going home. I got another message, another message

(02:08):
to the colonel Cartels in Mexico. You're smuggling off fat
and off across this country to kill one hundred and
forty eight thousand young Americans. You have killed more Americans
than every terrorist organization in the world combined. And that's
when President Trump gets back in office, he's going to
designate to you a terrorist organization. He's going to wipe
you off the face of her.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
You're done, You're done, following following.

Speaker 7 (02:48):
There's a chance to course corrected, but it would take
the new Trump administration going after it really hard. How
would they correct it? Well, first of all, you got
a fire. You know, you gotta fire the chairman, joint Chie,
and you got to fire this. I mean, obviously gonna
bring in a new Secretary Defense. But any general that
was involved, general, admiral, whatever, that was involved in any
of the.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
DEI woke, it's gotta go.

Speaker 7 (03:09):
Either you're in for war fighting that and that's it.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
That's the only litmus tests we care about.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
You got to get DEI and c RT out of
military academies so you're not training young officers and to
be baptized in this type of thinking and then, you know,
whatever the standards, whatever the combat standards were saying, I
don't know nineteen ninety five, let's just make those the standards.
And as far as recruiting to hire the guy that
you know did top Gun Maverick and create some real
ads that motivate people that want to serve.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
There's a fellow named Michael Harrison who is a publisher
of something called Talkers, which is known in our industry
as the Bible of talk radio, and he ranks the
most influential talk show hosts, he ranks the biggest audiences.
He writes about trends. He has a staff of writers

(04:11):
who do this. But what he's managed to do is
to allow the industry to get a sense of who's
up and coming, who's doing well, what's the size of
your honest You've been very, very beneficial to my career
because he spotted our show early when we had one market,
and he told everyone who would listen. And he's a liberal.

(04:34):
He is a white Jewish liberal from outside of Boston
and does not share my politics. But felt very early
on that this Southern Baptist, Houston, Texas conservative talker was

(04:55):
very good at what he does and he told everybody
who would listen in the industry where more people paid
attention because of now Eddie Martinez had had to believe
in me and put me on the air and let
me do what I do for us to get where
we are. But Michael Harrison has been very good to me. Well,
every industry, I don't care if it's car dealers or
gasket distributors, needs somebody who takes on the role as

(05:17):
kind of the mayor of the community. And I don't
mean necessarily a geographic community. And there's a fellow named
Josh Halsted who many country music fans will know as
Rowdy Yates. He does a nationally syndicated show on Saturday nights,
been around a long time at Chilt and he serves
that role with the Texas Radio Hall of Fame and

(05:40):
just as an individual by sheer dent of his connections
and personality and it's kind of what he does of
keeping people informed so that when a Colonel Saint James
dies or when Paul Berlynn dies, they get their proper
tribute from the community. And he'll pull people together for
drinks and it's a good thing. It needs to be
done because the companies themselves are very competitive. So you know,

(06:04):
Iheart's not going to tell you that a CBS employee died,
and CBS is not going to tell you that an
iHeart employee died. And that's unfortunate because you know, in football,
you celebrate the players in your industry. Get Dan Pastorini
talking about how great men Joe Green was and he'll
talk for an hour and that was his you know,
that was his rival that got put a lot of

(06:25):
hits on him. Anyway, I saw all that to say
this rowdy chaka Josh Halstead posted yesterday that longtime kilt
Am FM anchor and news director Jim Corolla has died.
Some of you will remember Jim Corolla from his long
tenure at KLT twenty eight years. He was the stadium
announcer for the Houston Oilers. You may have known that

(06:45):
voice and not know not didn't know who it belonged to.
He was also the stadium announcer for numerous years for
the Houston Texans. He went on to anchor a spin
off news station that was ninety seven point five at
the time, it was called kf NC, and there were
some guys that had left various news agencies in Houston,

(07:07):
including our station, and tried to start Pat Fant tried
to start a news station at ninety seven point five.
It was an all news FM station. That's not the
best signal, but they had a lot of talent, a
lot of talent that probably had were out of work
at the time, and I thought it was a pretty
good product. But it wasn't monetizable, and at the end

(07:29):
of the day, that's a real problem. And it's before
I was in radio. I actually just listen to it.
And then Jim Corolla retired to the Texas hill Country,
and as Josh hallstat Ak Rowdy Yates notes, his days
as an entertainer and performer can be traced back to
his time as a regular dancer on kt r ktv's

(07:50):
Larry Kine Show. You remember Larry kan shollyone, Oh well,
why did you nod? Like, oh yeah, huh, you were
being agreeable. I don't really need agreeable at this point
in my career. I need value added at this point.
I got an email dream the last break woman said, hey,
can you tell us what in the hell is going

(08:11):
on in Austin. We're not getting enough coverage of the
state Legislature, So with Tulsi Gabbert's vote pending, we will
do that coming up state.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Rep.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Rent Money's got a lot to tell.

Speaker 8 (08:20):
Us today to the Colonial House Apartments and Receiver three
to were recorded.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's the way you're doing. Brent Money is a state
representative who, along with Mitch Little, is joining with the
likes of Steve Toast Money to bring change to the
state Capitol. They don't have the numbers for a majority yet,
but this minority within the majority party, the real Conservative Republicans,

(09:27):
they're sort of a tea party caucus, is really making
a lot of waves and making it difficult for Dustin Burrows,
who serves at the pleasure of the Democrats, even though
we have the majority with eighty eight out of one
hundred and fifty state representatives. And Brent Money is our guest,
particularly to talk about school choice and vouchers, because I've

(09:47):
received a lot of emails and I know that there
is quite the effort to shoot down the school choice
voucher movement. Brent Money, welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it,
and very nice introduction. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
If your middle name was is that would be perfect.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, there's a there's a lot of there's a lot
of things my parents could have done better, but uh,
you know, we'll have to go with what they gave me.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
So you came into the House by losing a special
election to Jill Dutton, and then you beat her in
the primary a month later. How'd that happen?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah? During Uh, so we had a special election in November,
a special election runoff in January, and it was a
combination of of probably just getting a little bit out
worked there in the in the time in between, and
uh and some last minute lies that I didn't deal
with as well as I should have. And she beat

(10:41):
me by one hundred and eleven points, not one points,
one hundred and eleven votes. And then three or four weeks
later we started voting in the primary, and I think
I won by over almost forty five hundred votes, about
fourteen points. So, you know, once, once we kind of
revise our messaging, and once the Republican primary voters showed up,

(11:07):
we did quite well.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Senate bill too, has successfully passed through the Senate, and
a school choice bill for the House will be filed
early next week. This is what you wrote my office
has received numerous calls and emails regarding school choice, and
we are attentively reading and listening to each one and
diligently reviewing the bill lang which to ensure it is
consistent with my campaign promises. Today, I sat down with

(11:29):
Mandy Drogan on the Parent Empowerment podcast to discuss school
choice SB two and specifically the concerns of homeschooling and
private school families. So let's start and make this very simple.
I want to talk about school choice, and I want
to talk about vouchers. But first, you are self described
in some of your materials as being a rabid Dallas

(11:50):
sports fan, and you'll have to forgive me. I didn't
realize Dallas had any sports teams.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well, yeah, and this has been it's been a tough
few weeks. I'm not going to lie. Seen the Eagles
win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
We well, y'all won a super Bowl, Nolan Super Bowl.
It's just been a while.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
It's it's been quite a while. Like I said, it's
it's it's been tough. We we won the World Series,
uh a few years ago and uh and we're just
gonna have to hold on to that.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
H I grew up a Buddy Bell fan, You're probably
not old enough to remember who Buddy Bell was.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
I know who Buddy Bell is, but I never watched
him and play.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I just really don't like the Rangers because the Rangers
are always in the wrong, wrong place at the wrong time.
They beat us. Uh, you know the year we should
we should have won the World Series, they took Nolan Ryan.
I mean it just the Texas Rangers. It's just nothing
good to say about them. So explain to people, and
I have my own thoughts, but explain to people why

(12:53):
in three minutes, why is school choice important. Why can't
we just have our public schools and fund them and
they perform and everything everybody's happy. Why do we need
a school choice movement?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think it's as simple as this, one size does
not fit all, and there's as much as we invest
and work on public schools, and we should continue to
do that, you can't make one size fit all and
competition options. Choice always in any industry improves quality, decreases cost,

(13:30):
and improves wages, and so we need to introduce I
think everyone, and I've talked to so many superintendents, school teachers,
board of Trustee members, parents, the current public school system.
Nobody is really happy with it now. Everybody may have
different ideas on what we need to do to fix it,

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but it's not performing well. We're spending more money per
student than we ever have, and we're getting worse for
alson we ever have. We have teacher problems as far
as retention and these kinds of things because it's just
not working. Introducing competition into the system is going to
improve the quality of education for the kids. It's going

(14:13):
to give parents options when their school isn't working for them,
and most importantly for me, just philosophically, parents are the
ones that are responsible for their kids' educations and we
as a society need to be putting power in their
hands to do what they think is best for their children.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
And how does the school choice movement do that.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
The school choice movement says, you know, right now, you
either have to put the kid in the school where
your zip code is, or you have to pay out
of your own pocket, or you know, make other sacrifices financially.
And the school choice movement says, hey, wait a minute,
if the if the state government is going to decide

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that we're going to fund education, we should fund whatever education.
The parent thinks it's best for the kid. We shouldn't
just create an education system and say everybody has to
fit into this, and so it just puts it back
in the hands of the parents.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Let's talk about the funding and how that works, because
the public school folks have parents scared to death, and
the public school folks is it is not quite understood
how powerful superintendents in the public school community is. Public
school employees are to rural communities, and that means rural Republicans.

(15:42):
And we'll get to that in just a moment. I
do want to say, I went to your website and
I know that you have some children that you've adopted,
some children that are biological. They are all beautiful. Do
you have an absolutely beautiful family? There's like to see
you got like sixty kids in the beautiful Yeah, that's
got to be a Michael Why. Steve Toth and a

(16:18):
few others were of the star warts of the State House,
but they were outnumbered the new Hood Director. Scott Turner
was one of these tea party type guys, Black Conservative.
In two thousand and fourteen, as the new legislator was
being sworn in, the legislature is sworn in. When they
come back every two years, it's a biennial session and

(16:40):
they meet for one hundred and fifty days. That's when
all the work's supposed to be done. My wife, being
the Secretary of State at the time, swore in the
New State Reps. And there was a move to oust
Joe Strauss, and it was a Tea Party type movement
in Scott Turner, who's now Trump's hud director, was the
choice of the Tea Party folks. And I watched that

(17:03):
thing play out, and it was interesting because we had
the majority in the House, but we couldn't pick a
real conservative. We ended up with Strauss, who really was
there by the grace of the Democrats, who very very
cleverly play this process to get to control who the
speaker is even though they're the minority party. There is
a group of young guns that have come in. The

(17:24):
two most notable or Mitch Little, who we've had on
the show here, who was one of Paxton's lawyers fighting
the impeachment. And this fellow Brent Money, who is our
guest now, who is emerging as one of the leaders
in the school choice movement. He has five children himself.
I understand some adopted, some not. Doesn't matter which are which,

(17:46):
but they are homeschooled. And my hat's off to any
parent who homeschools their children, because, let's be honest, school
is a lot of things. One of those things is
an opportunity for mommy to have a chance to sit
down and breathe, and when you homeschool, you don't get that.
He also runs a title company. He's married to Heidi's

(18:08):
an SMU law school graduate. We won't probably couldn't get
into ut and he lives in is it Greenville or Greenville?

Speaker 3 (18:16):
So the locals say Greenville? Greenville? I say Greenville.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, did you grow up there?

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yes, I'm I'm six generations in Greenville.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
So I'm I'm told you the quarterback of your little
Christian high school.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's true. We had a six man football team, private
Christian school, and we weren't very good back then, but
but I did get to play quarterback and uh and
enjoy that very much.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
So how does that work? The coach is like, all right,
we got seven kids, can one of you throw it?
You like me? And he says you took quarterback? Okay,
yeah the year before.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
So I played my senior year my junior year, we
didn't even have a football team. We couldn't field a team,
and uh and so my senior year, we finally got
enough to field a six man football team, and I
got to be the quarterback and we did win some games,
and uh and I had a lot of fun. I
think I ended up being an all district you know.
But uh they then then the school improved quite a

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bit and we won some state championships after I left.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I'm not sure what that says, Brent money. Okay, so
now there are there are a lot of people and
they they email me. They're very confused who graduated from
public school. Let's say their lifelong Texan, maybe a sixth
generation like you. But they they they graduated from public schools,
and they want good public schools. And they see in
places like Houston where the public school is terrible, and uh,

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you get you get these neighborhoods there, you'll get an
all black area and an almost all black school except
for the three Vietnamese kids who are salutatory and valid
valedictorian and highest ranking girl or whatever. And I've spoken
at these schools and it's always Vietnamese kids who are
the top coming out of the class, and the schools
are broken. And Sheila Jackson Lee used to fight to

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keep like we had North Forest, to keep outside influence
so that they could keep the money themselves. And these
schools are broken, and I just want these kids and
their parents to have an opportunity for an alternative. And
we're sending all this money to the state that then
gets redistributed in Robinhood to the schools, and they're broken,
and I want them to have a choice. But walk
us through for people who don't understand, walk us through

(20:27):
how this would actually work. Because the public school teachers
have now have scared taxpayers to death that this is
going to destroy the public schools.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Sure, and so I think if we understand the built
in bias and then just work through the numbers. And
I hate doing numbers on radio, so I'll try to
make this a little bit easy. But currently Texas public
schools get about ninety six billion dollars per year that
comes from local taxes, state taxes, and federal taxes. But

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it's all taxpayer money, about ninety six billion dollars. That
comes out to about eighteen thousand dollars per student that
we will spend on our on our isd public school education.
And then so what we what we are doing with
this school choice program is called education savings accounts. A

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lot of your listeners probably have health savings accounts. And
what we are going to do is take one billion dollars,
not from the ninety six but a new one billion
dollars and we're going to put it in to education
savings accounts for parents and that and and it will
give depending on I mean, the details of the bill

(21:39):
aren't finalized. But let's say if you if you take
your kid to a private school and you and you know,
and there's money available, then you would get ten thousand
dollars to spend toward that private school education. If you homeschool,
you get two thousand dollars to help buy curriculum and
online classes or tutoring or whatever you need. And uh,

(22:02):
it's so it's a it's a completely separate pool of money.
It's about one percent of what we spend on public
school education. This is not going to you know, decimate
public schools. That the public schools are going to continue
to be funded at an all time high level. Texas
is not going to abandon the the uh, you know,

(22:24):
the five point three million I think students that are
that are currently in public schools, but we do want
to give people whether they're in a failing school like
the ones you're talking about, or like my kids mentioned
that they were adopted, they they have some learning difficulties
and learning differences, and the public school environment, even the

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best public school environment, is not conducive to how they
learn the best. And so I'm able because of my
job to for my wife to stay home and educate them,
and that's great, but for people who aren't able to
do that financially, this provides them an option that actually
saves taxpayers money because now we're paying ten thousand dollars

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for them to go to the private school of their
choice instead of eighteen thousand dollars at the public school.
It really is a fantastic program the way that they
have put it together, and we're going to work to
make it the best we can. And I'm listening to
concerns that people have from whether they're homeschoolers or whether
they're superintendents, but this is going to help.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Everyone at the end of the day. Brent Money, state
Representative is our guest. At the end of the day,
This is really about public schools fighting competition and fighting
anyone else getting any dollars other than them, because they're
getting more money every year, and the schools are on
average getting worse. The product is worse. The students aren't

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performing better, they're performing worse. At the end of the day.
This is all about their money and their power, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It really is. And that doesn't mean aren't some good
people in the system. But almost every single complaint or
person that I hear from that works in the school
system is about why don't why don't you spend that
money here? It's all about the money. It's not about
the student, and the student is what matters, and we
need to put the We need to put that in

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the students.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Not even a part of this conversation, None of those
people bitching is the student. The part rent money is
our guest more coming up with you, master.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
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Speaker 1 (24:31):
Says the Michael Verry Joe he sold separately.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Rent money has our guest. He is one of the
new state reps, the young guns that are getting a
lot of attention or in a Trump Doze type way,
getting to Austin and making things happen. He has emerged
as a leader in the school choice movement, something that
the governor has finally taken a stand on aggressively. Of

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all the things, this is the one he's decided that
he's going to push, and Brent Money is one of
the reps who's making it happen. So Brent. One of
the unspoken oppositions to school choice that very few people
will give voice to. But some folks have said to
me is they say, look, I got a good public school,
and then down the road a couple of miles there's

(25:38):
a bad public school, and my kids are home to
the good public school. I moved here to be in
that school district, and I had a real estate from
the late nineties. You've got a title company. You know
how people make real estate decisions. One of the big
decisions is I want to be in the Memorial school district.
For instance, I want to be in the West u
school district. And so they'll pay more money for a
house to be in that district. And then you got

(25:59):
it a school or a district down the way. That's terrible,
And the fear is that the good public school is
going to be overrun by bad kids. And there are
bad kids. What's your answer to that?

Speaker 3 (26:14):
You know, right right now, every school has, I mean
has to take the kids that are in there, that
are in their zip code, whether they're good kids, bad kids,
whether they move there because they their parents bought an
expensive house, or whether they you know, list that address
with their aunt and uncle just so they can get
to the school. I think part of what part of

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what we have to do when we when we provide choice,
is we have to eliminate some of the regulations. And
we've been talking about that here internally quite a bit.
We have a government run monopoly, like the public school
system is. It's going to be heavily regulated. But when
you introduce competition and you allow kind of the free
market to work, then you can start taking away a

(26:57):
lot of those regulations. And one of the things that
specifically targeted, and I think we'll be addressed this session,
is chapter thirty seven of the Education Code, which deals
with classroom discipline. Most teachers will tell you our principles
that they feel pretty hamstrung in how they can go
about maintaining order in their classroom or their school. And

(27:20):
we have to go back to a time when if
you're not behaving, then you get sent out of school,
We call your parents, you spend some time suspension, you
can get expelled. There have to be more tools for
schools to deal with students that are not there trying
to learn, and I believe we will handle that.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
For folks wondering about the Tulsi Gabbard nomination, that will
be at ten o'clock Central time, so as that happens,
we will of course be covering it. Let's go back
to the numbers you mentioned about five point three million
kids in public schools, right, do you believe that's correct?
You have a sense of how many kids in Texas
are being homeschooled.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, The numbers on that are a little difficult, but
it's somewhere around three hundred thousand are in private school
and somewhere between six and eight hundred thousand I believe
are are homeschooled.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Wow, And so we have at least as many kids
being homeschooled as private schools.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, and that's currently without any kind of education savings
account or anything like that. That's just parents making the
sacrifice themselves to do it on their own, you know.
Those numbers are up since COVID. I think a lot
of parents, you know, decided that public school wasn't for
them when they're trying to mask their kids and keep
them six feet apart and all that.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think that if I did the mindset. So just
quick back of the Napkin masth, you've got about somewhere
around sixteen to eighteen percent of kids in Texas who
are not in the public schools. They're either in private
or homeschool. Right, So that's what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yes, I think that's about right.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
And is do you have any sense and I know
this is just pure prognostication or conjecture maybe, but do
you have any sense if the money that we're talking
about that would go toward a voucher program were offered,
do you have any sense of how many kids would
leave the public school and go to the local Jewish school,
Catholic school, Lutheran school, or it would make the finances

(29:18):
work for a family, especially with a bunch of kids
to homeschool.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah. So the only bill we have right now is
Senate bill too. There will be a House bill as well,
but Senate Bill too says that eighty percent of the
money has to be for families that are leaving the
public school and so, and the program as currently funded

(29:42):
would probably serve about one hundred thousand kids more if
people are moving to homeschooling, a little bit less if
they're moving to private schooling, but somewhere around one hundred
thousand and so, really you're talking about this is not
you know, this is not a program that is that
it's going to serve maybe one and a half percent

(30:04):
of all Texas students, and so, you know, we're not
going to see some huge shift in people going utilizing
this program, at least not initially. And if you look
at the more mature school choice programs in the United States,
there's thirty two other states that have school choice. So
Texas is not is not leading here. We're waiting and

(30:26):
seeing how everybody else does. But the most mature school
choice programs show about six percent of the student population
leaving public schools for something else. And you know, over
like Florida has been doing school choice for about twenty years. Notably, also,
Florida was twenty seventh in public school performance when they

(30:47):
started their school choice program. They're now number one in
public school and so I think what they have seen,
and what makes sense to me is the kids who
are excelling and doing well in public school aren't leaving.
The ones leave that are leaving are the ones that
are struggling academically, struggling relationally, getting bullied. They're not fitting in,
and they're going to find something that works better for them,

(31:09):
and that's raising the entire performance of the of the school.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
There is the politics behind whether this can be passed
or not, But what do you think the end goal
of this? Why? Why stake your claim on this? What
will what will change if this happens.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
I want to go back to I mean and ideally
for me, I want to go back to a world
where parents are in charge of their kids education and
they take it seriously. I was a high school teacher
and I think those twenty years ago, but I think
a lot of parents just think, well, this is the
only option. I hope they do well with it, you know,
I hope, I hope it works, and really involved parents

(31:54):
might go up and complain when they see things they
don't like, but they don't really have any other options
or choices. And I think when parents get engaged in
the education of their kids, and they say, you know what,
just like the ones that stop and say which house
do I want to live in? Which part do I
want to be near? Which school do I want my
kids to go to? I think you're going to see

(32:15):
kids get better educations.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Overall, Gosh didn't even think about that being part of
this public policy discussion. It frustrates me so much that
I see all these people weighing in, and I get
the sense, based on the thrust of their arguments, that
none of this is related to what's best for the kids,
just as Obamacare was not related to what would heal

(32:37):
and treat patience, just as COVID was never related to
the illness that would be caught. And I find that
very frustrating and disingenuous. Can you hang with us for
one more segment?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
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