PM Show Hr 1 | JD Vance During the Zelenskyy Meeting

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time. Time, time, time, luck and load. The
Michael Verie Show is on the air.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
You're gonna make a lot of money, right, yeah right,
that's not yours?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Well it becomes ours. How is that not stealing? I
don't think I don't think that. I'm explaining this very well.
It's seven eleven.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
You can take a penny from the tray from the
crippled children. No, that's the job.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm talking about the tray the you know, the pennies
for for everybody, oh, for everybody?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Okay, yeah, well those are.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Whole pennies, all right, all right, I'm just talking about
fractions of a penny here, okay. But we do it
from a much bigger tray, and we do it a
couple of million times, so what's wrong with that?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
It's been as the spend.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
In a post on x, Doge said the Department of
Health and Human Services had terminated a contract paying family
Endeavors eighteen million dollars a month to operate an empty
facility in West Texas. Doge also claims Endeavors received its
HHS contract in twenty twenty one after a former ICE

(01:26):
employee and Biden transition team member joined the nonprofit. Endeavor's
government disclosure forms show its revenues shot up in twenty
twenty one from fifty million to six hundred and fifty
eight million.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Spin as the spend.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And when you see the people there in Tennessee fifty
percent of their their income to state, federal, and local
taxes through other ends, you know, through everything else, fees
and everything else, and then they see us sending literally
billions overseas to our enemies. You know, I've uncovered forty
million dollars going to the Taliban. A guy named Sean

(02:16):
Ryan over Middle Tennessee, former Navy seal podcaster. He and
another guy named Legend had brought this to my attention.
And you know, last term I could not even get
the Democrats to bring it up in the Senate. It
passed unanimous in the House, not even a question because
they're going to have to admit they made a mistake,
and they continuously made a mistake, and they did it

(02:36):
on purpose, is the worst part about it. And this
graph that you're seeing, and that's one hundred percent what
it is. I think you're going to see a paper
trail come back to Washington, d C. And that's why
I think a lot of people are nervous, and you'll
see a lot of retirements because they are stealing from
the American taxpayer and now they got their hand caught
in the cookie jar, and all they can do is
attack elong boys.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
President Trump will speak to a joint session of Congress tonight.
It's sort of like the State of the Union EXTEP.
His first State of the Union will be at the
beginning of twenty twenty six, once he's one year in office,
going into his second year. But it's basically, for all
intents and purposes, a State of the Union. And he

(03:38):
has set the bar high suggesting that he's going to
be bringing the high heat tonight eight o'clock Central, nine
o'clock Eastern, and I cannot wait well ahead of his speech.
Democrats are trying to slow him down because he's got
such incredible momentum. You know, this would be like you're

(04:01):
at a Lillleague baseball game and the other kid on
his pitching is dialing it up. I mean, he's throwing
fastballs right down the middle and your kids can't hit him.
He's unhittable. Today, it's not uncommon for you to call
time out, bring your kids over talk to him for

(04:22):
a while, create some distractions. You're trying to throw him
off of his game. This happens in every aspect of
sports and in life, and so the Democrats are trying
to throw something in to gum up the works because
Trump is succeeding and people who weren't sure about Trump

(04:44):
are noticing, Hey, it's nice not having illegals around. Hey,
it's nice that he's doing these things. It's nice that
we're now getting to see where all our money is going. Wow,
this is incredible. Why wouldn't everyone want to tell us
where our money is going? So some Democrats released a

(05:07):
video using they all read off the same script, and
you're going to see it for yourself. There is a
Twitter handle called right angle News. Full credit to them.
They laid the videos on top of each other so
that you could see or in this case here exactly
how they're reading from the exact same script. This is Schumer, Pocahontas,

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and Corey Booker posting the same exact video, and gosh,
it sure does sound similar. I went, I will immediately
bring prices down starting on watch. That's what you just
heard is getting worse, the prices.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Better.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
Meanwhile, has done to crisis instead part of violence, establishing police, letting,
must change, solving the government programs and then even work
gives to American.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Social Security, tax, health.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Care, thousands of essential workers. People will help our veterans
to get their benefits. People fighting a bowl up in
Africa so it doesn't come here.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Flows funding.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
So many American cancer education function, payments to family.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Falls, and so much.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Why are they doing this from must taking these rival
services away from you for one reason so they can
give to.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Their building, their club. Their plans is awful, simply plan billionaires.
When is the truth? It's the truth, and that is
the truth. See, if we script it out, we're at
the end of the thing we scripted for you, which
is all lies. If we script out at the end
and that is the truth, I guess that just makes

(07:15):
it the truth. Senators Richard Blumenthal, Andy Kim, Chris Combs,
Angela Alsobrooks, Maizie Horano, Mark Werner, Warner, and Tammy Baldwin
joined the list of Democrat senators who all released the
same message at the same time. How effective is that

(07:35):
message or how many of those senators? Could you even
tell me what state they're from? Nobody cares what these
nut jobs think. The best thing we have going for
us is that the other side is so bad because
the deck is stacked against us. You've got the media,
the deep state, the long standing bureaucrats all against us.

(08:00):
You've got your naive neighbor who really can't believe how
evil the Democrats are, which works to their advantage because
surely couldn't be that bad. In fact, you ever notice it?
Sometimes what they say is, oh, really, oh so we're
just sending money to Ukraine and it's coming up missing. Huh?
Who these people are? Kuckoo?

Speaker 7 (08:20):
There's mores of like on Facebook, like the Michael Berry Show.
Dolly Parton's husband Paul Dean has passed. They were married
almost sixty years. It's amazing something to be proud of.
My parents had quite a run themselves. My buddy, Michael
Robinson lives out in College Station. I call him the

(08:43):
Aggie Plumber, and he runs a small plumbing company that
his father started and plumbing and electrical and they do
a lot of work in the College Station area, and
everybody knows the Robinson family there. His father Mike and
his mother Carol.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
On Saturday night celebrated their fiftieth wedding aniverse, and they
did it as we do with their family around them.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
And that is you know.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
When someone someone has a political career that they reached
the pinnacle, or a business career or a sporting career.
There may be trophies, there may be honors and accolades,
but for the success of a marriage, there are typically

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the kids in their kids and maybe their kids' kids,
And it's a beautiful, wonderful thing. We don't talk enough about.
We don't celebrate that because healthy thriving societies have healthy
thriving marriages. We don't know about the benefits of many things.

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Somebody tells us about it. And often we don't get
hooked on a trend unless someone tells us about it.
And cultures establish their values and maintain those values by
constantly restating what those values are. People say to me

(10:23):
all the time, my kids are very different than I was. Well,
i'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Because you're not the parent to your kid that your
parents were to you. And the answer is always the same, Well,
you can't do that anymore because all their friends did
your parents ask your friends how your parents should parent you? No,
because your parents didn't give a damn if your friends

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thought they were cool, because your parents weren't trying to
be your friend. They were being the only thing that
they alone, uniquely could be to you, and that's a parent.
But if you're trying to be friends with your kids
instead of a parent, then you're not being the parent
your parent was to you. And if that parent was
a good parent, you're probably not doing as well as

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your parents were. And that is a rough truth that
more people need to hear. We don't talk about the
importance of marriage, the importance of family. We don't, and
we should. Here's Dolly Parton talking about her now late
husband Carldan.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
The last thing I want is a boyfriend. I got to,
you know, because I'm leaving two boyfriends here and I
kept saying, no, I'm going to Nashville. And the very
day I got to Nashville, I met Carldeine. And sixty
years later, I'm still with Carldine. You know, he's quiet
and I'm loud. We're funny. Oh, he's hilarious. And I
think one of the things that's made it last so
long through the years is we love each other, we
respect each other, but we have a lot of fun.

(11:55):
We never fought back and forth.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
What do you think was the most important but sometimes
overlooked aspects of you and Carl's relationship.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, he was a homebody and that worked well for us.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
He loved to go places.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
If we were going to drive across country or go
where if we had planned thing. But boy, he never
could wait to get home. He doesn't even like to
go out to the big dinners or anything like that.
So even know on anniversaries and stuff like that, we
usually stay home and make something special or go to
McDonald's or go somewhere. We want to go to this
comfortable now we will go to Mexican resturans. He does
sit in a booth and do that. He loves that.

(12:29):
You know, we'll go sit in a booth, like if
it's an anniversary or just sometimes on a Saturday, we
just go. We know where to go when before the
crowd comes. He doesn't like big crowds. He's just special
to me and I just love him like he is.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
If her husband, Carl Deane was in my family and
you'd said Dolly married Carl Deane, my grandmother would say, well,
what's his last name? Carl Dean would be a first
and middle name. We meet Carldeen, Carldeen, what what's his
last name? The story goes, and Dolly's not above embellishing

(13:09):
a story. But the story goes that she arrived in Nashville,
she was eighteen years old and outside the wishy washy
laundromap she met Carldean and I read an interview where
she said, I was surprised and delighted that while he
talked to me, he looked at my face, which was

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a rare thing for me. Promote you, Yeah, yeah, they didn't.
He seemed to be genuinely interested in finding out who
I was and what I was about. Now, that doesn't
mean he didn't have any interesting down below. It just
means he had a better sense of how to get there,
and supposedly, the story as it is told, they married

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two years later, Memorial Day, May thirtieth of nineteen sixty six.
The story goes that he inspired the song Jolene because
there was a flirty bank teller who seemed to have
quite an interest in her husband, Carl Dene. That's what
she told, That's what she said over the years. Carl

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Deane was a businessman who owned an asphalt paving business
in Nashville. His parents had three children, and Dolly referred
to his mother as Mama Dean in our family. I
decided very early on, and I wanted my wife to
call my mother and father mom and dad, just like

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I do, and that I would call her father Pa,
which is what she calls him, called him he passed away.
Because I thought it was important that we not let
the politics of in law ism affect our marriage and
that we never share anything with our parents that we
didn't share with each other. And I'll remember the first

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time my mother, who was like the British, separating the
Indian potentates and fighting once again. She would have been
a great diplomat. She loved to divide and conquer. And
she told my wife the first time, she told her,
I'm going to tell you something that you cannot tell Michael.
And my wife said, then don't tell me, because if
you tell me, I'm going to tell him. I'm not
going to keep secrets from my husband with my mother

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in law. And my mother was quite shocked by that.
I think she was impressed by it. She was quite
shocked by it, and I encourage it. I see how
many moms get in between a marriage because she's close
to her daughter and talks bad about her daughter's husband,
or she's closed her son and talks bad about her
sons at life, and that's terrible, bizarre of talk radio.

(15:41):
The Michael Barry Show. I interviewed jd Vance when he
was running for the Senate in Ohio. I had read
Hillbilly Elogy when I didn't know who he was. And
if you've watched the movie, fine, it's one of Glenn
Close's finest roles. Think her finest role is as a

(16:02):
crazy mistress with Michael Douglas. What's the name of that movie,
Fatal Attraction. The movie is good, it really is. But
the book is powerful, and I encourage you to read
it or listen to it on tape. It's really, really

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well done. And at the time I thought, man, what
a powerful, powerful book. There is a lot written these
days about the black experience or the immigrant experience, but
particularly the black experience and the gay experience and the
transgender experience, but no one had, really, in my mind

(16:48):
in quite some time, told of the experience of being
a poor white person in America, surrounded by broken marriages,
broken lives, addiction, incarceration, drama, filth, hopelessness, and he really

(17:15):
captured that. He captured that powerfully, and uh, storytelling it
is a as you know, I'm a big I'm a
big believer in storytellering. It has a lot of uh
has a lot of benefits. And he told that story
so poignantly and so honestly that I wondered, you know,

(17:36):
what will become of this guy? I hope because it
was autobiographical. So you're probably only probably going to go
down from there, because it's like a sophomore album by
a band that has a breakout with their first one
and then they don't. The second one was not so good,
and the reason is they've waited their whole lives to
put these songs down, and once they're down, now you

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got a few months to do the second one. And well,
those stories, those songs took forever. But I did kind
of follow JD Vance and what it is up to,
and he turned out to have a successful career in
multiple fields. He is criticized by some for his association

(18:20):
with Peter Thiel, who is an absolutely brilliant gay, libertarian
Republican donor that I don't not saying there's anything with JD.
Vance and him being gay, but that's one of the
things you'll read, so when you read it, I want
you to be prepared for that. But Deal is one
of these guys like Elon. In fact, they have quite
an association over the years. He thinks in a different

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dimension and I'm not one of those guys, but I
can appreciate people who do. But Deal is a big
fan of JD. Vance and I think he saw and
Jdvan's a brilliant guy that he wanted as part of
his team. When JD Vance ran for the Senate in Ohio,
I worried that he might not be sufficiently conservative or

(19:04):
really I'm more conservative libertarian, and I worried that he
might not have enough populism to quit. I worried that
he was like one of the bush guys, one of
the Romney guys. I worry that he was a guy
that wanted to be in the club and that he
would sell out the way Marco Rubio did with the
Gang of Six immigration policy. And so I interviewed him,

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but I wasn't wild about it. And then he got
to the Senate and he was he was acting as
a more true conservative in more of a Ted Cruz
sort of way. He did not like Trump, but for
the same reason I didn't like Trump at that time.
His criticisms were of him mirrored mine. We didn't think
he was true to the cause. We didn't think he

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believed it. We thought he was all show and we
thought that the showmanship was going to make up what
was going to to take people's minds away from not
being right on the issues. And both of us, separately,
as many people did, came to the conclusion that Trump
means it's where he is in his life and it's
been good for the country. When Trump announced JD. Vance

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as his VP, I was worried that maybe JD didn't
bring enough to the ticket. I was worried that he
didn't have enough wisdom. I was worried that he's young
and ambitious and that he may be more out for JD.
Vance than Donald Trump. Again, it takes a big man

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to admit when you're wrong, and I was wrong. I
was very wrong. He sat down with Sean Hannity for
an interview, and I think it deserves to be amplified.
I think this guy has a head on his show.
He understands what he's doing. You get the sense with
some of these guys in DC that they're flapping their

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gums to get on TV, and they'll say anything, but
they don't even know really why they're saying it. They're
just saying what will get them airtime. This guy is
he's a lot smarter than they give him credit for.
And here he is explaining this is clip fave Zho too,
that the American people are a lot smarter than Democrats

(21:24):
give them credit for.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
They want long protracted wars, the Democratic Party championing men
to play in women's sports, the Democratic Party putting the
rights of the illegals over the safety of Americans, and
defending what will be hundreds of trillions of dollars in
waste for all abuse corruption.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
How does that end for them? I think it ends
very very poorly.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
And the American people are a lot smarter than the
Democrats give them credit for. You cannot shut up your
fellow citizens force biological men to play in sports with girls, which,
by the way, it's just insulting to the girls. It's
actually dangerous. Title nice, Title nine. It's some of these
sports are very violent. You don't want to have biological
men against women, it's crazy. And the Democrats again, there

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is this crazy idea and the Democratic Party that if
you just repeat insane ideas, eventually the American people are
going to believe them. We actually think the American people
are smart and we should listen to them rather than
preach it them. And I think that's the core right
now of the of the President's political strength.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
That's just it. Do you treat the American people with
respect and honesty, or do you treat them like children
or animals or simply the bank pays for your And
people are seeing people that were not so too new.
You're seeing out the King of Ding and this other guy,

(22:47):
Michael Barry. It's always interesting when I watch a football
game and I think a guy scored because they extended
the ball out looks like it goes over the goal.
And then they show you different angles and they slow
it down, they snap them, and you realize, oh, I
didn't even notice he was down two yards back, his

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knees were down a yard and a half back. I
didn't even notice that because I was watching where the
ball was. Your vantage point can have a great influence
on your perspective. And one of the things that came
out of the Zelensky meeting last Friday, which was a
very very big news event consequential in all of this

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because of the importance of the Ukraine War to the world.
It was interesting that what we thought we saw, or
what Trump saw, was very different than what we were
looking at, which was also different than the vantage point
jd Vance had because jd Vance was looking him dead

(23:57):
in the eye president Trump was looking. He was to
the side of Trump the way they sit so that
Trump could look into the camera at us, so he
didn't see a lot of the body language and the
eye rolling and these sorts of things that this petulant
Zelenski was doing. And he really people thought he got

(24:19):
hot under the collar and he was forceful, but he
played a role. A vice president should always be someone
who compliments. I don't mean while you look nice, mister president.
I mean like a complimentary angle, someone who rounds out
the president and provides what they need at a given time.

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And jd. Vance really showed his skill in doing that
that day. Here is his perspective on what happened in
that meaning. This is gonna be five to zho one Romote.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Well, here's part one of our interview just a couple
hours ago, was the Vice president, thank you for being
one great to be here.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Let's go back to the Oval Office Friday. Yeah from
your perspective, yeah great TV. As the President said, yeah, well,
you know it's it's funny.

Speaker 8 (25:09):
So we have a forty forty five minute press conference.
And the President normally does this and I've seen this
now three or four times with foreign leaders, where he
likes to bring the media and likes to have a
conversation but answer questions with the press.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Is you know, he's very open with reporters.

Speaker 8 (25:23):
And what I noticed is that for the first twenty
five thirty or so minutes he tried to sort of
bend over backwards to be gracious and kind to Zelenski,
even when Zelensky was kind of needling him, Even when
Zelenski was saying things that I thought were untrue, The
President just tried to be diplomatic, right. I think that's
that's his natural instinct in that situation. And then when

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it really went off the rails, of course, is when
I asked, or you had a Polish journalist who ask
a question, the President answered it, and then I answered it,
and then something about my answer just really set Zelenski off,
So then he came at me.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Then I went back at him.

Speaker 8 (26:02):
And what I tried to do originally was actually try
to diffuse the situation a little bit, because I'm like,
you know, we're having this meeting. Obviously, there are one
hundred television cameras here. Let's try to have this conversation
in private. And then the president, as we kept on
going back and forth, I tried again to say, well,
maybe we should have this conversation with private, and the
President was like.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Nope, actually I don't want to have it in private anymore.

Speaker 8 (26:25):
I want to have this actual conversation of public.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
For the American people to see.

Speaker 8 (26:29):
And I do think that there was just a certain
sense of there's a lack of respect, there was a
certain sense of entitlement, and most importantly, look, we can
look past all that stuff. But the President has set
a very clear goal for his administration. He wants the
killing to stop. And I think that it's very important
that President Lensky and of course President Putin too, they've
both got to come to the negotiating table, and that's

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ultimately where things broke apart. I really don't care what
President Lensky says about me or anybody else, but he
showed a clear unwillingness to engage in the peace process
that President Trump has said is the policy of the
American people and of their president. That's the real breakdown
is I think Selensky wasn't yet there, and I think,
frankly now still isn't there.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
But I think we'll get there eventually.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
He has to.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
And isn't it interesting what I sellout Lindsey Graham has
been through all of this. People are quite confused. How's
Lindsey Graham go from being best friends with Zelensky, which
that whole thing has always been very weird, to now
all of a sudden he's scolding Zelensky after the meeting.
I think that Lindsey Graham sees the riding on the

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wall that there are going to be some revelations of
money laundering and awful misdeeds and crimes related to America's
association with the Ukraine, and Lindsey Graham knows this, and

(27:56):
I think that as a result, he is trying to
distance himself as because people tend to have a short memory. No, no,
I'm the one that was saying we got to have
complete accountability and transparency, because if that's the last thing
he said, he'll be able to point to it, and
many people won't remember his warmongering. It's not the war

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they love, Oh they do. They do it. It excites them.
I mean there's explosions, everything that Lindsey Graham enjoys, every
fetish that he has. But it's not the war they love.
It's how people lose their mind in the middle of
a war. It's how you can spend wildly and no

(28:37):
one will question you. In the minute someone does, you
scream at them. It's like an epidemic. How dare you
question the six foot role, which we now know they
made up? How dare you you're killing Grandma? They love
to be able to spend wildly and have the moral
high ground to shut you down with any criticism. But

(29:01):
Jdevance makes a good point. When Zelensky's lost Lindsey Graham,
he's in trouble.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
And my message to the Ukrainians, by the way, to
President Zelensky is when you've lost Lindsey Graham, that means
you need to come to the negotiating table and recognize
Donald Trump is the only game in town. He's the
only person who I think has a meaningful plan to
save that country.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
President Trump shutting off funding to Ukraine today to get
their attention. Jdvance noting that the European nations are doing
Ukraine a huge disservice. You know, this is like if
you ed at your friend's restaurant and you see that

(29:44):
the manager is stealing in blind and you don't tell
him so that he can fix that, you're not really
a friend.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
I think our European friends, frankly, are being really really
they're doing a disservice to the Ukrainians because their own
populations are saying, we're not going to fund this war,
and definitely, the American people are saying we don't want
to fund the war in definitely, So the only thing
that is in the best interest of America, of Russia,
of Ukraine, and of Europe is to bring this thing

(30:11):
to a close. What happened, Sean is you have Zelensky.
He goes to Europe and a lot of our European
friends puff them up. They say, you know, you're a
freedom fighter. You need to keep fighting forever, well, fighting
forever with what with whose money, with whose ammunition?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
And with whose lives.

Speaker 8 (30:26):
The President is actually taking a much more realistic perspective
and saying this can't go on forever. We can't fund
this thing forever. The Ukrainians can't fight forever. So let's
bring this thing to a peaceful settlement.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I saw a study that was done on the public
opinion of the people of Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Britain, Germany,
Italy and France, and overwhelmingly they believe that Ukraine is
not getting enough Western support. They also believe overwhelmingly that

(30:59):
they're country should not increased the amount of support that's
being given. In other words, hey, world, are really America,
Come fight this war for us in our own backyard,
but we're not going to participate. Our country has been
made a fool of for too long, our young men

(31:23):
used in the wrong capacity, without the right tools and
without the ability to do their jobs. And it ends
now