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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time time, time, Luck and load.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The Michael Very Show is on the air.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Eric Navarro has been a guest of ours with a
Middle East Forum in the past on military matters, particularly
related to Iran. We conducted an interview with him earlier today.
Immediately afterwards, Iran hit the US base in cutter So
some of what he says he does not have the
virtue of knowing that just yet.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I will get to that later in the show.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Lieutenant Colonel Eric Navarro of the Middle East Forum is
our guest. We're talking about what happened in Iran, and
for someone to be very clear that this is I
am not an interventionalist an interventionist. I am not a
regime change guy. I am not typically in favor of
those sorts of things. My views, like many folks, have
evolved over the years. I am not suggesting that you
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have to support the effort of what happened in Iran.
I'm not suggesting you have to support regime regime change.
I do think these are conversations we should have and
something did just happen, and we're discussing what happened, so
I want you to understand why we do that.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Is.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's not an advocacy project, to be clear at all,
I think this is a nuanced question. It's a very
complicated question as it relates to our nation and the world,
and we should have thorough conversations with each side. We'll
have the Thomas Massey's on as well. We'll have the
Ran Paul's on as well. To be very clear, Eric
Navarro is our guest, and I wanted to ask you
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as we were going into the break, why now President
Trump had four years to do this, what has changed,
if anything, has he changed or has the region changed?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Well, before I answer that, I do want to address
you just said about the regime change. I'll be honest,
I am personally for regime change. But even if we
don't do that, even if we stopped short of that,
and we just stay with what we've done right now
and just support Israel, that's still a win, that's still effective,
that's still re established as the terms, and then we
let the chips fall where they may internal to Iran.
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So even if we stopped short of regime change, if
the regime is just weakened, it's still the region is
safer with their weaken Duran and the world is safer, right,
So I want to be clear, I totally understand the
objections to getting fully and fully involved with pushing redeem change,
but even now, just destroying their nuclear capabilities was a
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critical step in re establishing strategic to terms. Now to
your question about why now, well, there's a lot of
different reasons. One is the Democratic administrations did not see
conflict at all. They sought Dayton with the Iranian regime
right obviously with the JPCOA with under Obama, and then
after Biden came in, he tried to resurrect that get
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and freed up I think one hundred billion dollars, which
by the way, directly went and flowed to the Iranian
proxies Hezbel Alhamas and the Huti's, which then destabilized the
entire region. So yes, why now, that's the reason Iran
was back in the region sing hate and discontent. And
then you had October seventh, and so that opened up
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the Pandora's box, right. It as to turns out to
be a massive strategic miscalculation on the part of Iran
and its proxies. They thought they would be able to
defeat the Israelis. They instead awoke in them right. So
once they did that, Israel had to strike back. And
then if you recall, I think a year ago, so
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Iran directly attacked Israel. So that opened things up where
Israel had to fully respond. And now at the same time,
they're saying death to America, death to Israel, and we
know that they're trying to pursue nuclear weapons. And now
they directly attacked our main ally in the region and
threatened US. Oh and by the way, tried to assassinate
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our president several individuals and have been arrested trying to
do that. They op the ante as far as they're
threatening actions towards US and Israel, and so that's why
we have to strike. That's why Israel had to strike,
because they can't wait for right when they got ninety
percent in rich Urania, they cannot even wait. So when
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they get sixty percent, they have to defeat or eliminate
the threat before it ever gets to that point, because
in a country that small, one nuclear detonation annihilates the country.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Lieutenant Colonel Eric Navarro is our guest with the Middle
Eastern with the Middle East Forum. Speaking of regime change.
Most everyone agrees that President Trump has not pushed for
or provoked regime change, either diplomatically or militarily, and that
Israel has held off as well, in that Komani could
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have been taken out by now, and the theory being
that keeping him there without his top layer of generals
and without anyone else to replace him makes him makes
Iran less dangerous than if a very powerful force comes in.
We saw this in Syria where uncontrollable and uncontrolled interests
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have taken charge there. We saw that in Egypt after Haisnibubark.
We saw that in Libya destabilized after Kadafi. We saw
that in Iraq after Hussein, where Iran had a great
deal of influence there. How long do you foresee this happening?
What do you personally foresee happening in Iran in a
year to five?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
So that I totally understand that argument, and that's the
argument against the lawn regime change and us trying to
affect it. I believe though, that if we have fully
eliminated the nuclear weapons program Iran, and if we've detapitated
the leadership of the theocracy, I expect the regime to
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collapse on its own or through the forces internal to
the country. See, they had to rely that they being
the regime, had to rely on the image of strength.
That's how Actually, if you follow the communications from the
Hutis and Halas and heswell too, it's all an extension
of Iranian strength or Shia strength against the infidels or
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against Israel and the US interests in the region. So
once that is pierced, now not only are their proxies
unsure if they'll even survive, and they're worried about themselves,
so which weakens their ability to affect or attack US
or Israeli forces. But now they have to worry about
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the effect on their own population in Iran because they live.
Their own population has lived in fear so long because
they thought the regime was strong, was had the ability
to put them down and to strike fear into the
hearts of the West. Once that's gone, these regimes tend
to collapse under their own weight. Same thing happened with
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the Soviet Union. Now it took a long time, right,
but what happened there it was maximum Western pressure against
the push of communism around the world. Here it needs
to be maximum Western pressure against the theocracy, and then
over time that theocracy loses legitimacy. This is also if
you wing to again into specific steps we could take.
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This is where again informational influence campaigns in public decrying
the weakness of the regime, continually targeting the top leaders
around the Alantola. Every time one of them pops up
their head, he's eliminated. That's what's happening with the Israeli stripes.
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Every time they replace a general, then his replace and
gets killed. That's what the Israelis did to the hezel
Law forces, which have now rendered an imposite right. Every
time a leader popsterhead, they have to worry about their
own survival, which means they can't effectively command their forces.
And here, the more crushing you put in the regime,
the more likely I believe that it's going to collapse
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under its own way.
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Speaker 3 (08:29):
Art Navarro has been a guest of ours with a
Middle East Forum in the past on military matters, particularly
related to Iran. We conducted an interview with him earlier today.
Immediately afterwards, Iran hit the US base in Cutter So
some of what he says he does not have the
virtue of knowing that just yet.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I will get to that later in the show.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Lieutenant Colonel Eric Navarro of the Middle East Forum is
our guest. I am advised that he has a new title,
which is Director of Military and Strategic Programs at the
Middle East Form. Lieutenant Colonel Navarro, let me ask you,
when you look at the actual effort these B two bombers,
the hit on Fordau and Esfahan, you know, the question
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still remains. You know, Iran's government is saying, well, you
didn't get to the good stuff. We relocated it in time,
and I think it's more of a pr battle at
this point. But in your estimation, how much of what
was intended to be done, what degree of damage strategically
was accomplished.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Well, it's hard to know right any battle damage assessment
will take time. We have all sorts of different intelligence
gathering methods. We have the satellites and space based assets,
but we also probably have assets on the grounds either
I don't know if it's U asked, but you have Israelis,
you have Iranian forces or covert actions that would probably
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have to take a look at the facility. There's also
another thing. You have to watch the behavior of the
Iranians on the ground, see how they react in and
around the site. I know that they're saying there's no
radiation leaks, we'll see, but also do they try to rebuild.
I saw earlier today on social media there was the
video of sixteen cargo trucks that supposedly came in and out.
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You got to question everything you see because why would
you see that right now? Why would anybody release that
publicly extent as a part of an influence campaign? Right So,
I would take everything with the grain of salt. Right now,
all I know is this one, we re established strategic
to terms. Two, we put the Iranian regime on notice,
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and three we definitely destroyed and degraded their capabilities to
a significant extent. We dropped multiple massive ordinance penetrators, thirty
pounds of kinetic force towns of five explosive force that
did damage the facilities and degrade them to a point
that probably renders it useless. At most they'd have to
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try to relocate and rebuild over time. But I'll say
don't forget that. At the same time, the Israelis are
continuing to strike them, and again they're worried about their
own survival, so they have no time. I think Foordoh
was built over many, many years, so they don't have
the capability to develop nuclear weapons right now. That's a
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good thing. That's the end result of this strike, and
then they've been put unnoticed, that they will receive further strikes,
that they continue to threaten the region and the US.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Let's assume for a moment, Lieutenant Eric Navarro of Middle
East Forum is our guess. Let's assume for a moment
that this government remains in place, and that this government
is defiant, and that this government is vengeful, all of
which are highly possible, and that they don't simply want
to tucktail and be left alone, as Saddam Hussein seemed
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to be after ninety one, at least for some period
of time, as Kadafi was after Ronald Reagan bombed the
tent and killed his daughter. Let's assume for a moment
that Iran says, no, I've got to show my people
in order to stay in power.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That the Iatola says, I've got to strike back. What
does that look like?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Are those internal terror attacks in the United States? Is
that a tax on American basis? I mean, the Straight
of Horror moves can be closed, presumably, but that hurts
China more than the United States. What are the options
of what is most likely in your mind to happen, Well.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
The options are what you laid out right. So they
could try to do a naval blockade of the Straight
of Horror moves, but like you said, it actually impacts
Chime them much more than the US and the West. Plus,
we could just simply destroy their naval capabilities. Not only
that will work, they can launch missiles and other trone
attacks against US forces and bases in the region. They've
already been doing that prior to even this engagement, so
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nothing new there, and we've defended it. We've also repositioned
our forces and that's exactly what we.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Have to do.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And then there's the eighth symmetric. Absolutely, there could potentially
be sleeper cells in the West, which by the way,
shows exactly why we needed a strong border policy to
begin with, right, because if you're worried about sleeper cells,
then I don't know how you wouldn't be concerned about
who you led into the country.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But that's nothing.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
You know, President Trump has successfully closed down the border,
so now we got to worry about the threats that
are potentially inside our border. No conflict and no action
is without risk. I do believe that the Trump administration
has signaled that they take these risks seriously and are
mitigating them. They're putting everyone unnoticed. They had the full
government approach, FBI, Homeland Security, military intelligence, all watching to see.
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Now We'll say I saw earlier reports today where it
was kind of leaked out the arranging the potential Iranian response,
and I think they recognize that if they go too far,
they will get annihilated. That's exactly what the President Trump
signaled to them. So if they if you can trace back,
if there's a terrorist attack and it's traced back for Iran,
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I think that's a red line that they've crossed. And
then I think he will he will fully affect ravine
change in that case. And so if the Ayatolas are
fully in survivable mode right now, they will be well
to avoid crossing that red line. I think they need
to focus on going to grounds. This is putting my
you know, if I'm in their shoes, they should go
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to ground they should take their lumps and they should live,
try to live, to fight another day and bide my time.
That's the only that's the only option they have. I
think they're going to be running out of missiles as well.
Nobody that I know of is resupplying them with their
ballistic missiles, although maybe Russia's Tryina will try it, but
I doubt it. And so they will be dwindling, Their
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resource will redwindling, and they'll be worried about keeping their
population and chet that's what that's what I expect to happen.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Interesting times we're living in.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Lieutenant Colonel Eric Navarro, the director of Military and Strategic
Programs with Middle East Forum, honored to have you back, sir,
and we'll have you back again soon.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
And to be clear, we conducted this interview late morning,
actually about noon after noon today, and within minutes of
the interview being concluded, Iran hit US military base in Cutter.
We're still waiting to get more details on what that
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looks like. So some of the questions I posed during
that conversation have since been answered. For any number of reasons,
Iran is in fact choosing to escalate this conflict. And
that poortends things. You know, I know, I know, folks
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love to say, you know, we're the toughest, we're the baddest.
I'm as proud and confident American as a kid. But
when you enter into these sorts of things, you also
have to understand, uh, that you have exposure. We've got
military personnel around the country, and we've got uh, we've
got folks under the influence of the the Irani administration
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living on American soil, with the capability to do harm here,
and both of those things, both of those things should
make us very very circumspect.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
We'll continue that conversation.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
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Speaker 3 (16:43):
It's rather clear, it's rather clear that we're going to
see a sustained conflict certainly appear to be, and we
will talk about that.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Using known facts that are not large in question.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
We do not do breaking news on this show because
we do not trust primary sources and we're not going
to repeat something we don't.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Know to be true.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
What we do know to be true is that the
effort in Iran was one of clinical precision that has
not been doubted. Jennifer Griffin with Fox News, their Pentagon
correspondent made the statement that she's never seen such operational
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security in her eighteen years at the Pentagon as a
surrounding operation Midnight Hammer.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
You know you ever tried.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
To coordinate a surprise birthday party for your spouse three
weeks away.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It's impossible.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Somebody's going to tell somebody who's going to tell them
accidentally to carry out an effort like this. Let's assume
you got the people in seich suation room who don't
tell their spouses, because if one of them does, If
a fellow tells his wife, she tells her one best friend,
you can't tell anybody but her one best friend says,
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I can't tell anybody except for my daughter.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Her daughter calls her friends, says, you don't believe this.
My mom says that our best friend. They're going to do,
and this is what's going to happen. It's specter.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
What's because it's about that person. People want to share
because it shows how knowledgeable they are. It only takes
one one loose lip sink ships one person to do it.
But now add to that, you've got military personnel involved
all the way down the line. And I think we
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can trust those guys a lot more than politicians. But
it takes one person, just one that hates Trump, to
compromise this effort. So here's what she had to say.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
In the last eighteen years since I've been at the Pentagon,
I've never seen such operational security. There was nobody speaking
about this, any of the preparations. There was a complete lockdown,
almost a blackout of information for the last few days.
I'm sitting here in the Pentagon right now, I can
tell you the hallways are empty and all of the
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information is coming right now out of the White House.
That is a significant achievement because there were no leaks
about the timing. Now, sometimes I think those who a
lot of the flight trackers, the open source intelligence flight trackers,
that flight radar did indicate some of the when the
B twos took off from white Men, But again, nobody
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really expected that it would take place this evening. If
you looked at the moon schedule, you might have had
a clue because it was a waning crescent and almost
a new moon on the twenty fifth, so it would
have been very very dark over Iran tonight, and you
need that in order to to bomb. That's the ideal
condition for something like a B two. That is, yes,
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itself stealth, but it still has to be escorted in
in case any Iran were to put up any planes
or there were any opportunities to fire on those B twos,
which are such valuable and very very special planes.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Only the US military.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Has this kind of weaponry and this capability. No other
country in the world could have carried off what occurred
tonight at those three uranium enrichment sites in Iran.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
John Bolton immediately took to the air to say he
was very much in favor of this effort. Of course
he was. He's in favor of every effort. So is
Lindsey Graham. That's why they they named it Operation Midnight
ham Or in his honor, and that's his favorite person
in his phone is listed as such. This is a
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worgasm for Lindsey Graham and John Bolton and the Cheneys.
I don't think President Trump feels that way. I don't
think he is a person who feels the need to
attack foreign countries militarily and more importantly, to put our
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boys in danger in order to be considered a serious president.
I don't believe that to be true. I think that
his head is somewhere, If not in the Rand Paul
Thomas Massey category, it's certainly closer to mine, which is,
we don't lightly do battle. We don't lightly drop bombs
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because there will be consequences to be paid. And I
think the President has shown I think he's built the
political capital in four years of being president. I will
remind you in two thousand and nine team, when Iran
downed an unmanned drone of ours, and Bolton and Pompeo
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and Pence and the light were all demanding that we
attack Iran. The President went just to the brink and
engaged in brinkmanship, in the sense that he had Iran
on their heels that we were going to attack, and
he chose not to. And everyone on the left who
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said this man will lead us into World War three,
the very people who themselves would like to lead us
into World War three, said that of him, and he
proved in four years and every opportunity to do so,
he chose not to.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Discretion was the better part of valor.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
At the risk of being called weak, at the risk
of being called lacking the kahones, it doesn't take a
measure of great strength or bravery valor cahon is courage
toughness to order our boys into war, to risk their lives.
It actually takes a great deal of maturity and discretion
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to hold off and find alternate means to give more time.
Were this not Donald Trump having ordered this operation, I
would have been far more critical. That's just a fact.
And the reason is he has earned with me at
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least the political capital that he has not been one
to rush into war. So folks have told me, well,
Bibi Netanyahoo dragged him into this, is real, dragged him
into this. Maybe that's true, but they weren't able to
drag him into war four years as president. Well I
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was told today, Yeah, but he's not on the ballot again.
He can do this now. Going to war makes presidents
more popular, not less.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And that's fact.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
We are a nation who rallies behind our president, no
matter of the party, when we go into war as
a show of support. The only people who won't are
the extreme fringe, Jasmine Crockett, AOC, you name it. And
so if you were to ask my opinion on all
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of this, I am skeptical of the need to go
in and do these things. I am not privy to
the inside briefing of where exactly Iran was of the
sixty percent of the ninety percent or whatever that may be.
But I do think I will give the President on
this occasion the respect that he has earned through his
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presidency the first and up till now and going forward
to my job to ask questions. And I think that's
the most responsible approach we can take.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
At this moment.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You've got dumb Michael Berry show.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
New York City's mayoral primary will be tomorrow not getting
as much attention as it normally would. Socialist Zoran Mundani
has jumped ahead of Andrew Cuomo, the former governor of
the state, fifty two forty eight in the final round
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of ranked choice voting. Ranked choice voting can alter a
an elections results a great deal. There are folks in
favor in those posed and at this point, I suppose
it doesn't really matter what our position is on the matter, because.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's what they do.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
In New York and since that's what they do, that's
what's going to happen. We did not get a chance
to talk today, we will in the coming days about
a THCHC ban that passed the State House and the
State Senate in Texas, and it had to be signed
by midnight last night by the governor or.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
We have the opposite of pocket veto.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
If the governor didn't sign it, it would automatically become law.
And ten minutes before midnight last night he vetoed that bill.
That is not to say that he is against regulation
on THHC products that have flooded the market in the
state of Texas, but it is to say that prohibiting
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those products from adults turned out to be.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Polling showed very, very unpopular.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Our governor, who lacks leadership, who lacks real political conviction,
does not do anything because it's the right thing to
do or because he believes in it. He's like a merchant,
he's like a French a German appointee in the Vishy government.
He will do whatever is best for him in his
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political career.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
The people of Texas do not want an outright ban
on THHC products in the state of Texas.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
We're tired of the social conservatism of the fifties. We
don't want to live in Iran. We don't want to
be in the theocracy. We don't want the neocons governing
our state. So that's a pretty big development in the
state of Texas, and it's a bit of a slap
down to the social conservatives who've gotten out of control.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And we'll have more time for that.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
There will be a special session held at the end
of July that will address a number of issues. We
just concluded our state legislative session in state of Texas.
We have a legislative session every two years in odd
numbered years, and that will be worthy of a conversation
in the coming days, just not today. With everything we've
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had going on and continue to go on, and I
expect to continue to go on through the night perhaps
and certainly in the coming days. I wanted to take
a moment before the program is over to congratulate the
LSU Tigers on I think it's their second national championship
win in only four years. What an incredible baseball program,
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What an incredible athletic program, What incredible pride the state
of Louisiana has in their state institution, Louisiana State University,
the LSU Tigers. In the era of n it is
more competitive than ever before. And for that team to
win as they did, I think that Arkansas team was
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the best team in the country and for them to
beat that team, well, they beat them four out of
five times for the season, pretty darned impressive. Sports are
a getaway from war and famine and disease and death.
And it is never more important than during a time
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like this that we find some things other than war
upon which we tend to obsess, because it can have
an effect on what kind of husband, wife, father, son, boss, employee, neighbor, driver,
sharing lanes that we become.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
And that is.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Your admonition to keep your perspective. These are the times
that try men's souls. These are times of great danger
and fear. Imagine that somebody in front of you or
behind you in the grocery store, somebody who maybe is
driving seemingly erratic or needs to get in as the
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zipper effect of the freeway narrows. That person may have
a spouse or a son or daughter who is in
harm's way wearing our uniform. I think of all the
families that I know who send their kids off and
the pride they have as they finish their boot camp. Look,
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how good they look, how good the uniform looks. And
that's part of the overall military experience. But the reality
is that at times like this, those families are bearing
a bigger share of the hardship of trepidation and fear, concern,
worry than the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
We all pray for those.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Young men and women who are now more than ever
in harm's way, but it ain't the same as it
being your own kid, or your own spouse, or the
mother or.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Father of your own child. It's just not the same.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
And at times like this we should remember that we're
not just talking about war games on a computer screen.
We're talking about real, live human beings. And as tough
as we are and as badass as our B two
bombers are, and as their ability to fly undetected and
refuel in the air, and the precision nature of the
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strikes and the technology, at the end of the day's
still going to be human beings involved. We're still going
to have Americans going in and out of airports and
foreign buildings the world over. And Iran has a sophisticated
network of folks capable with very simple technology of ending
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the lives of our people, and I think a mature
approach to that is called for at a moment like this.
I saw that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department put
up a message on their social media page Twitter.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I believe it was our hearts go out to.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
The victims and families impacted by the recent bombings in Iran.
The sheriff came out and said that was a mistake
that shouldn't have been done. This is how far we
have fallen on the left, that they will look for
our enemy and provide comfort to them while criticizing our
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own boys and girls. The Los Angeles Dodgers tried to
virtue signal by claiming that ICE went to Dodgers Stadium
last week and quote requested permission to access the parking lot,
and that the organization says ICE was quote denied entry
to the grounds by the organization. I'm not sure what's
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worse That they thought that was something to brag about,
or that apparently now that's a lie. I guess that's
a reminder that we have a lot of work to
do on American soil. And with that, with a heavy
heart sign off from the program. I do enjoyed hearing
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from you. If you are one of those aforementioned family
members of someone in harm's way, know that we are
all praying for you that we get through this very
difficult time and are there on the other end to
enjoy the spoils living in the greatest nation of honor.
My fellow Americans, it's an honor to talk to you
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as always for seeing them all
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Very love that Almos has left with him, and thank you,
and good night.