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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, High luck and load. The Michael Very
Show is on the air. The presidential candidacy of Robert F.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Kennedy Junior did not leap to the forefront of political
news because the Democrats kept him off of the ballot
most days. He had to fight like hell to get
back on the ballot, and now they won't take him
off even though he has endorsed President Trump. One of
the areas and probably the primary area, where I think
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he has made a huge difference. And I don't agree
with Robert F. Kennedy Junior on every issue, I want
to be clear on that, but he has been a
person who has brought our attention to what goes in
our foods, what we're feeding our children, what we're putting
into our bodies, and what we're calling quote unquote medicine.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, when you go to the doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
My mother desperately wanted me to be a doctor because
she had such respect and admiration for doctors. She was
a nurse's aide when we were little, to help pay
the bills, and we had the physician's desk reference and
that was everything else before. That was before the med
MD or whatever, where you could go in there and
find all the things you were going to die of.
But doctors were healers, they were trusted. There were a
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cross between a scientist and your pastor, and there was
such respect for the doctor and the medical establishment and
vaccines and pharmaceuticals and all these things were going to
help us live longer and be happier.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And somewhere along the way it all went wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And that misplaced trust is a legacy, sadly of a
time that is long gone, or maybe maybe never really existed.
We came across the name of Kim Whitsas, and she
has a funny spelling. It's pa is for those of
you who are polished, You're like's not phoney it all
I know exactly hospitality. She's soothfvisor and she is the
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reason we have black box suicide warnings on SSRIs. She's
become a drug safety advocate and this is her passion.
And I'll tell you, hell hath no fury like a
woman's scoring. Hell hath twice the fury as a woman
on a mission. And she is a woman on a mission.
Honored to have you, Kim Witsas, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh thanks for having me Thank you so much. And
I like your introduction when you talk about the trust,
because I think, you know, that is a very common
and I still think there's that's a pretty common attitude today.
Maybe a little bit different than you know, the last
couple of years, but yeah, you know, I'm glad, I'm
glad you're having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Let's go to the toughest thing we're going to have
to talk about today. On August sixth, two thousand and three,
my world came crashing down on me. Can you tell
what happened and what spurred you to commit your life
to this?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Sure? I like to call myself the accidental advocate because
I never set out to do the work, the drug
safety work that I do today, But sometimes our greatest
purposes choose us. On August sixth, two thousand and three,
over twenty one years ago, I was out of town
on business and I got a call from my dad
because I hadn't heard from my husband all day, and
I'd say, hey, Dad, do me a favorite go over
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and check and see if my if what he was,
you know, because he had just started a new job
and was having trouble sleeping. So my dad goes over
to my house and I get a call. I'm still
on set shooting at like eight o'clock at night in Detroit,
and it was my dad and the phone call it's bad,
it's bad. I'm like, what do you mean it's bed
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like what he's dead. I'm like, what do you mean
what he's dead? He's like, I go, how do you
know he's done? And he's like, he's hanging, and literally,
in one like second, my entire world, everything that I
had planned, everything that I knew, came crashing, crashing down,
and literally those words to this day, twenty one years later,
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still you know, ring in my head because I still
can't believe it. And I've been doing this work for
twenty one years, but you know, everything intuitively in my body.
When my dad's like he's dead and hanging, I'm like,
what we wasn't depressed. He had no history of depression
or anything else. He had just started his dream job
with a startup company five weeks or earlier in the year,
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but five weeks earlier he went to the doctor because
he was having trouble sleeping. So he was one of
those guys that you were just talking about, like your
mother who blindly trusted the doctors, right, his doctor would
was a big athlete. They put him together, you know,
after he got injured playing sports. You know, he got stitches,
they stitched them up, you know, fixed his knees. He
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didn't think that they got paid enough because they got
him back up and running and playing on the basketball court,
et cetera. So he went to his GP, you know,
about five weeks earlier, and was telling him how he
was having trouble sleeping, and his doctor, who he trusted,
gave him a three week sample pack of an antidepressant, Zoloft,
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and said that it would take the edge off and
help him sleep. And I happened to be it was
my busy time of my work, and I happened to
be out of the country the first three weeks when
he was put on those drugs, and the drug that
he came home with the sample pack automatically doubled the
dose after week one. And so that's really kind of
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the precipitus of this when he had no history. But literally,
when I got that call, I'm like, there's no Everything
in my body was like, there's no way that what
he was hanging like, it just didn't even make it
didn't even compute with my body.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But literally that night when my.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Life fell apart, the corner called and asked me a
question and asked if what he was taking any medication.
The only thing he was taking was zoloft, and she said,
we're going to take it with us. It might have
something to do with his death. That was clue number one.
Clue number two was, ironically, the same day when he
was found, the front page of our Minneapolis Star Tribune
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had an article that said the UK finds link between
antidepressants and suicide in teens. And that literally happened the
same night that my husband's death, that made no sense happened.
So you know, that became really the start of it.
As I'm trying to get back from Detroit where i was,
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back to Minneapolis, my brother in law goes home and
googles zoloft and suicide. And we had no idea that
the FDA held hearings in nineteen ninety one when it
was only prozac on the market, and at that time,
every one of the advisory board members took money from
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pharmaceutical makers make an antidepressant, and they said, nope, we
don't see any link between violence and suicide with prozac.
So the FDA said, told Eli Lilly, let's study soucieality.
Of course they never did or never never got brought
to the forefront. And meanwhile, the FAA approved additional antidepressants
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from Advisor being Zoloft and Taxel from Glaxis Smith Klein
and approved it for children.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And so that was what he was two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
This was in nineteen ninety one. So almost immediately this
became our mission because Woody love life, and there was
no way that this was going to be the legacy
that was going to be, you know, for for him.
He loved you know, we were just starting to try
to have kids and and everything. So this became our mission,
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my brother in law and I's mission, and started almost
immediately going out to DC and we call it the
Battle for Woody, and it became you know, me with
everybody from the FDA, Congress, anybody who would listen to
tell our story. And then ultimately had a lawsuit which
was part of it, and got documents. I'll come under seal.
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But it's a pretty tragic story and it's one that
still is going on, you know, twenty one years later,
and It's become just part of who I am today.
Because we didn't know. We blindly trusted. And if I
could do anything to help another family not have to
discover what we discovered after the fact, I will do
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that the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Hold right there. Kim wit Sex is our guest. If
you want to find her, it's online. It's Kimwitsex dot com.
And I'll spell it for you. Kay, I am obviously
Wi t czak Wi t czak. More we start coming up,
remember me, remember Scott mad Kim wits is our guest.
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A quote attributed to her sickness used to happen to you.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Now we live in a world where it is.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Being sold to us. It sounds very reminiscent of what
Robert F. Kennedy Junior has said over the last few years,
and that is there's nothing more profitable than a sick child.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Kim.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
We talked about the impetus for this activism on your part.
I'm guessing it doesn't pay well, if at all. But
you know there is something about a ministry a zeal
a person has when they see wrong and they have
to write it. Do you see any hope in your
twenty one years of advocacy. Are we seeing I want
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to go deeper into what you have to say, but
is there any light at the end of the tunnel?
Are you collecting any wins along the way?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Sure, you know, it's been a long journey, but you know,
some of the winds along the way were the fact
that we did get the warnings added to antidepressants in
two thousand and four, in two thousand and six, but
to this day there are no there are no warnings
that exist for all ages. And the reality is with antidepressants,
the risk of suicide, violence, all of any of those
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kind of neuropsychiatric side effects happened at all ages, so
everybody should be worn. So there's you know, that was
a light. I think the fact that I got appointed
and was you know, I sit on the FDA Advisory Committee,
the same one that in nineteen ninety one didn't do
their job. I sit on that committee today and I'm
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often the loan vote, but at least I'm there, you know,
So these are some small winds. And then I would
also say, you know, I feel like I've been banging
my head for a long time on these issues as
well as you know, I thought it was truly when
when it first happened, I mean I was kind of
one of those people that blindly trusted too to be honest,
and I thought it was just an issue with antidepressants,
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but I realized, oh no, no, no, this is a systemic
problem with our whole drug safety system. It is you know,
health As I always say, healthcare is of business and
they need patients to go to, you know, as customers.
And so I do think the last couple of years
of you know, with what happened with COVID and the
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rush the you know, quote unquote vaccine that I think
we've now opened, I think that was the light that
kind of spotlighted what's been going on for and for
people like Kennedy, people like myself who've been in this,
the lawyers, other advocates that have been advocating for the
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ugly side of medicine, the harms. This has been going
on for a long time. But I think there's all
these new people that have come into the system and
are now seeing like whoa even like I love when
I hear docs that have like are starting to learn, wait,
I didn't even know what I didn't know. And I
think that to me is a bright spot that we
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have to continue to shine the light and bring more
people into the fold, because ultimately, at the end of
the day, you know, you know, keeping people sick is
a great business strategy. It's an awful strategy for living
well into you know, and aging well.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's a they call it planned obsolescence in the consumer
product market, the idea that we could make a tire
that would last a million miles, one hundred years, whatever
the period of time is.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But where's the profit in that?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's much better to treat the symptoms than to heal
the patient, because when you heal the patient, you don't
keep him on a monthly subscription. Once you understand how
often that is the case. And I want to be
very clear, there are a number of doctors and medical
professionals listening to our show, and I don't want you
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to think that we think that every one of you
is evil.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
In fact, very few are.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
But it's enough to make a difference, and the business
side of this doesn't have to be terrible. I want
people to make money. I want them to make money.
I want their patents protected, I want them to engage
in research and development. I want them seeking cures to things.
But I cannot pretend any longer that we live in
a world where it's not the case that people are
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being allowed to suffer and die when there are cures.
People are being injected with what's being called a vaccine
that is not a vaccine.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
They're getting boosters. I don't know what number they're on.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Now we find out that eleven thousand governmental officials were
exempted from it.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's nonsense. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And if you love humanity and you love your neighbor,
you have to be willing to study and enter into
some very difficult conversations. And that's what I hope we're
talking about today. That's what I hope you'll be willing
to be open minded about. I read of you, Kim Witsex.
My drug safety FDA reform advocacy was born out of
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nothing but a deep knowing that something didn't make sense
about what he's death. And if you're new to the show,
that's her late husband who hanged himself. So I started
to dig into the one only thing that changed my
husband's life, being prescribed zoloft.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
This journey for the.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Truth took me to the FDA HHS Congress, the courts
and the media. What I learned shocked me. Someone had
to do something. So why not me talk a little
more about what you learned about the pharmaceutical industry side effects,
because I know somebody who took his own life, who
was on an antidepressant it preceded zoloft, and you never
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get that person back.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
The pain never heals.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, absolutely, well, I have to say I was pretty shocked.
I would just even I will go back to just
knowing that in nineteen ninety one there were hearings at
the FDA, like how come I we didn't know. I mean, granted,
in nineteen ninety one, I was like, just you know
in college, like that was the furthest thing from me.
I had no history of any of these medications, but
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you know, the biggest thing, and I think what was
really potent in helping get and push for the black
Black suicide warnings as well as there were big congressional
hearings that were happening at that time too, to do
with all of the moneies that were flowing between the companies,
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academic institutions, the FDA and the and the companies, and
so that was happening at the same time.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But really what was potent was the drug.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Company and FDA internal documents that the judge in My
wrongful death Failure to Warn lawsuit released that showed that
the FDA advisor Blacklistmiths client they've known about the risk
of suicide and violence, as well as the lack of
efficacy from the early days. Like when you see it
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in black and white on their letterhead. It's not about
you know, Woody being gone and meeting all these other
families that had very similar examples, you know, similar situations.
It's when you see it on letterhead and you're like
somebody knew, and you know, people like Woody and countless
and thousands of others and probably hundreds of thousands of
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others were considered the cost of doing business collateral damage
because you know, they'll always be risk with medicine, so
they just kind of factored in almost like an actuarial
you know, it's a business decision, but you know what
for somebody like me and our family, like those were
that was somebody's husband, that was somebody's son, that was
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somebody's uncle, that was somebody's friend, that's somebody's kid, and
so those you know, once you put it in that
kind of frame you have to do something, and I'm
all about making money, but doing it the right way.
And when you know, and this is what I'll never understand,
even back then, when they'll be like, oh, well, these
drugs just make you. They make you feel better, so
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you're gonna, you know, act on your impulses, I'm like,
well that should have been number one warning. You should
have done that from the beginning. But again when you
look at the documents where you know, like one of
them was just this this, I didn't realize that. In Germany,
protect was never approved initially for two reasons, risk of
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suicide lack of efficacy. Eventually it did get approved, but
it had to be prescribed with a sedative, and that
is to to offset this like akathesia, which is this
side effect, which is what they kept from GTS and
Defizer actually talked about it as if a paid or
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somebody gets this side effect to akathesia, which is like
what wo He told me three weeks after he started
taking this drug where he was standing outside his head
looking at a body looking in and I had no
idea what was happening.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Kim Holder up there, that hold out there There's plenty
more to talk about. Kim Whitsack is with Kim Whitsacks
is our guest. We'll continue our conversation with her. Her
comment that sickness used to happen to you. Now we
live in a world where it is being sold to us.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't care if somebody did this, fakes you. You
can't shoot Michael. Kim Whitsacks is our guest.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
It's an odd spelling, but if you can figure it out,
you can find her online.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You can connect with her.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You can learn a lot more about her passion and
zeal and activism for the health of her fellow man,
for information and transparency. I understand there are side effects
to every drug. I understand that there can be a
downside to a drug that can heal a lot of people.
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But consumers, patients, Americans should know what those things are.
They shouldn't be hidden from you. You shouldn't be lied to.
Kim Whitsacks is spelled k I M obviously Wi t Czak.
Let's spell that again, Wi t Czak, kimwitsas dot com. Kim,
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you were finishing talking about what his death. That's her
late husband. He hanged himself. He was on Zoloft. That
set her off on a over two decade long journey
of activism and we're the better for it.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But I think I had to interrupt you in the middle.
Oh sure.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So I was talking about the side effect akathsia and
one of the documents that we got out from the
lawsuits that was written by Pfizer's chief medical officer. It's
a journal article that I talked about if patients get
the side effect akathesia, it's quote unquote death can be
a lot result. So that was public, But what wasn't
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public was the fact that he wrote a memo to
his sales field staff saying that the attached journal article
is not suitable for general practitioners, but may be of
interest to neurologically inclined by psychology or psychiatrists. Well, the
bulk of these drugs were written by GPS, so they
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intentionally kept that from GPS. And so once you started
digging in, and I would, because I love traveling, and
I would go to all these conferences around the world
with my lawyers, and I would go to the one
that had a huge profound impact on me. That also
was what I ended up bringing the conference here to
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the States. It was called Selling Sickness and it was
put on by the Dutch government, attended by people from
all over the European, EU, Australia, all over. There's a
handful of US from the US, US and they were
mostly attorneys and activists and myself and every example that
they were using of selling sickness was from the US.
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And I remember thinking, why isn't this conversation happening in
the US. And then I started realizing, oh, wait, our
whole system is built on this. Like I call it
the spider web, and I now have a spider web
that I've created with the doctor and the patient in
the middle, and it's the system from like academics to
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how the academic institutions, how advertising and marketing, the FDA,
who are they working for? It's basically the system, and
you know, the spider web, and it really keeps people trapped.
But if you don't know, you know, like spider webs,
you walk right into them. You don't know that you're
even part of it. But once you start digging in,
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you see the marketing. And I always find this interesting
and I always love working with attorneys and that's probably
why I have a lot of respect or somebody like
Kennedy is because he's an attorney. He's been inside these
company biles. He knows how they work, he knows the game.
And it's not just big Pharma, it's big Fluids, big
m it's all of the industry. But they use the
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same playbook. And it's interesting because when you work with
these attorneys, you find out one of the first places
that they go looking for documents is in the marketing department.
And so my whole background, you know, like you said,
I didn't choose to do this work, and I've never
This isn't how I make my living. I make my living.
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I'm in advertising and marketing. I'm still in the in
the profession. So when I see it and I'm like, whoa,
my business what I do every day. Marketing is a
huge part of the problem. Even just starting out with advertising,
most people don't realize that the US is one of
only two countries in the world that allow drug ads
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on TV. Then you're like, oh, wait, what about all
the advertising that happens to doctors and the way that
they're being sold. Then you start learning about like, oh,
marketing key opinion leaders, which is basically paying the doctors. Again,
this was another concept I learned out of my lawsuit
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because Fizer had all of the journal publications already planned.
They knew when this article was going to run about
zolof being good for social anxiety disorder, and they already
knew what day when it was going to run. They
but it said author TBD and I was like, what
does that mean? Well, only to find out that they
needed to put a doctor on there. But they already
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had it written and they knew when it was running,
but they had to put somebody in. Those are called
key opinion leaders or even ghostwriting. So you start seeing
it and you're like, oh, this is all marketing, and
so you know once once you've seen that, then you
start seeing patterns, and you know when COVID came along.
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I do not have children. I know there's a lot
of other people that do vaccine advocacy. I've never done that.
But when the whole idea of the COVID JAB came
and I was like, wait, you're giving these companies like
Pfizer complete legal immunity. Wait, these are the same companies
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that have paid more fines and most of the findes
that have come from that. They paid in big litigation
was from in marketing, off label marketing, and a lot
of it in marketing keeping the side effects from the public.
And I was like, well, that seems like a really
bad idea because even if they knew about it in
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the clinical trials, which by the way, they do know
about a lot of these side effects, but it's when
millions of people start taking them, and that's what When
the marketing or the hope that you're selling, the hope
of this solution, that's when you start seeing some of
these side effects emerge. And so the fact that you know,
so that was like one of the big kind of
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like flags for me was just the fact that you
start seeing patterns and once you see a pattern, you
know you And I always say once you've seen, you
can unsee. And so it's the perspective that now I
look at everything that I see that comes out and
especially you know, even looking at ozempic and all the
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marketing for weight watching, you know, the weight and overweight
and then you follow the business side of things and
what are the two Like JP Morgan just had their
annual and I always tell people, go look and see
what Wall Street's talking about. Go look at these conferences. Well,
JP Morgan has their big healthcare conference every January. And
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what are the two big areas that they're looking at,
obesity and Alzheimer's And what are we seeing all of the.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
New drug holds.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
That's the discussion of our next and last segment. Kim
Whitseax is our guest. Will continue our conversation with.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Her man Michael Berry glad in the system lack of
tube modom Day Robin.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Kim wit Sax is our guest. She after her husband
hanged himself and only thirty seven years old. He was
taking Zoloft for insomnia, and she started digging in. She
started talking to people, and she started finding very, very
troubling things. And she did not simply go away. She
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dug in, She learned, she engaged, she read, and she
has come to be an expert on the matter. She
speaks at length on the concept of selling sickness and folks,
I don't want you to understand if you're a medical
professional or just a person who thinks I'm a whack
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job conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I have a doctor for every part of my body.
I have them on speed dial. I love and adore them.
I consider them family members. I respect them, but I
also disagree with them on occasion, and I question everything.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I had a doctor years ago. It's not my doctor
any longer.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I asked him about I was having a little trouble sleeping,
and I said, you know, is there something you would
suggest I do?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Foods I should eat?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And he wrote me a script and sent me on
my way, and I went up to the front and
got it, and she said, I'll call it in for you,
and I said, well, I can't read what it is.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
And it was.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Prozac. Is that the anxiety drug? Is it Prozac? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
And so I said, whoa, I don't feel that. I
don't want to be on an anxiety drug. And you know,
I talked to him later and he said, well, I
was trying to do you a favor. Most people want
a prescription because they have anxiety, and I said, I
don't have anxiety per se.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I'm wound tight.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I could drink less coffee, I could focus on my
career more, I could work out more, I could get
more sleep.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But I do not want a pill to solve my problem.
I want and I learned breathing.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Exercises turn off the phone, earlier, eat earlier, exercise more
means you sleep more. I started taking natural solutions, finding
natural solutions to make myself happier so that I'm built
for longevity. That doctor wasn't evil. He was doing what
doctors have grown to do, and that is you walk
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in and tell them what your problem is. They send
you to a prescription to solve it. But that often
causes others and that's very disturbing.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Anyway. Kim Whitsacks is our guest.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
If you'd like to learn more about her, her website
is kimwhitsas dot com, which is wi cz Ak. We
were talking about. You said, look at where the money's going.
Look at JP Morgan, what they're looking at. Obesity and Alzheimer's.
Those are the two big issues where you can make
the most money going forward.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And what did you find from your studies?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Oh well, it was fascinating because you go look at
what's happening right now with oozepic, right or any of
the what are some of you? You know? Yes, and
so like now you've got businesses popping up all over.
But I've heard from again going to the lawyers that
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they're talent, they're being told by the insurance companies to
put set aside like half a billion dollars every quarter
for potential lawsuits that are.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Going to be coming.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
So of course they know lawsuits are going to come,
but why not make you know, it seems that the
strategy is, let's make hay while the sunshine, right, But
then there'll be people who will be hurt and they'll
come after the fact and learn like I didn't and
then they wonder why didn't I ever question or push back?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And so same with like all.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Looking at the alzheimer drugs that are that have come
out that have are controversial and have already been removed,
like there was one that has already been removed, and
they're using they're all using so looking at breakthrough, they're
using fast tracking mechanisms, which is what we saw with
the COVID jabs, right they're using and which this has
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been going on for a while, and this was some
you know, this was back during like twenty first century
Cures Act, which is like during Obama days. So it's
like going back and really kind of paying attention what's
happening in Congress because it's all kind of flowing through
this entire system but you start looking and that allowed
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because you know, like, oh, there's so much pressure we
need we need better drugs for people, faster innovation, like
using all those words that are buzzwords, right, and there
are motivators to like fast track, and so you're getting
a lot of these alzheimer drugs. Well, then I still
say we got to take a step back, or I
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always go you know, like, you know that whole thing,
look like who's throwing the baby and the you know,
we're pulling babies out of the river down and we're like, wait,
we got to go upstream. Who's throwing the babies in
the river? Right? So I want to say we got
to go upstream and wonder even why we're even in
this place where now we have downstream problems Alzheimer's and obesity.
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You know where's that coming from? We need to go
upstream and start looking at what is causing it. But
again I come back to you know, this concept of
healthcare is big business and we are customers. There's a
cradle to grave strategy that keeps us constantly needing medications.
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And so this is where I challenge people like, you know,
people do whatever they want, but you know, giving your
power away to a doctor, to a to a pen,
to a quick fit, you know, like the pen and
paper that will give you a script to the quick
fixed pill. You know, we need to actually, you know,
we have to take our sovereignty back. And not because
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I think there are a lot of amazing doctors out
there that you know, are just doing you know, thinking
they're doing their job because people want, you know, help.
But you know, I think it's okay to challenge. And
I tell people all the time to challenge and just
because they have an MV behind their name that we
there's no one who will care more about our health
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and our loved ones health than we will care. And
you know, you're telling that story about how you got
a quick script. And I remember after what he died,
I went to my doctor and she said do you
think you do you think you need anything? And I
looked at her, I go, well, I think this is
what killed my husband, and then I go but more importantly,
I hurt, like my husband died. And she looked at
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me and she said, yes, but you don't need to
and I was like, yeah, I do need to. This
is how you heal.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You have to go through.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But she was going to quickly give me an antidepressant
to help me like numb. And sure there are times
and places for meds. And I'm not anti med, I'm
just pro information, pro transparency. Give us the truth, like
tell us the truth like we are not. We can handle.
We can handle like if there's a potential for warning,
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we can. We can handle the truth, But we can't
handle if we don't know what is potentially an issue. Right,
So again I go back to its big business and
there will be no one that will care more about
our health than you and I ourselves.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think that's a perfect way to conclude a very wonderful,
our long discussion about issues. And folks, Kim can't solve
your problems, and I can't solve your problems, and doctors
can't solve your problems, and pharmaceutical companies can't solve your problems.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
These are things you.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Have to invest timing, to learn to read, to make
the best judgments for you, because there is no one
size fits all.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I respect your advocacy.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You took an unfortunate circumstance of lemons and made lemonade
out of it, and I think you're genuinely focused on
trying to help other people through your work, and I
admire you for that. Kimwitsas dot com, thanks for being
our guest and thanks for what you've done.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Oh, thank you so much.
It's that time, High luck and load. The Michael Very
Show is on the air. The presidential candidacy of Robert F.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Kennedy Junior did not leap to the forefront of political
news because the Democrats kept him off of the ballot
most days. He had to fight like hell to get
back on the ballot, and now they won't take him
off even though he has endorsed President Trump. One of
the areas and probably the primary area, where I think
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he has made a huge difference. And I don't agree
with Robert F. Kennedy Junior on every issue, I want
to be clear on that, but he has been a
person who has brought our attention to what goes in
our foods, what we're feeding our children, what we're putting
into our bodies, and what we're calling quote unquote medicine.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, when you go to the doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
My mother desperately wanted me to be a doctor because
she had such respect and admiration for doctors. She was
a nurse's aide when we were little, to help pay
the bills, and we had the physician's desk reference and
that was everything else before. That was before the med
MD or whatever, where you could go in there and
find all the things you were going to die of.
But doctors were healers, they were trusted. There were a
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cross between a scientist and your pastor, and there was
such respect for the doctor and the medical establishment and
vaccines and pharmaceuticals and all these things were going to
help us live longer and be happier.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And somewhere along the way it all went wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And that misplaced trust is a legacy, sadly of a
time that is long gone, or maybe maybe never really existed.
We came across the name of Kim Whitsas, and she
has a funny spelling. It's pa is for those of
you who are polished, You're like's not phoney it all
I know exactly hospitality. She's soothfvisor and she is the
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reason we have black box suicide warnings on SSRIs. She's
become a drug safety advocate and this is her passion.
And I'll tell you, hell hath no fury like a
woman's scoring. Hell hath twice the fury as a woman
on a mission. And she is a woman on a mission.
Honored to have you, Kim Witsas, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh thanks for having me Thank you so much. And
I like your introduction when you talk about the trust,
because I think, you know, that is a very common
and I still think there's that's a pretty common attitude today.
Maybe a little bit different than you know, the last
couple of years, but yeah, you know, I'm glad, I'm
glad you're having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Let's go to the toughest thing we're going to have
to talk about today. On August sixth, two thousand and three,
my world came crashing down on me. Can you tell
what happened and what spurred you to commit your life
to this?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Sure? I like to call myself the accidental advocate because
I never set out to do the work, the drug
safety work that I do today, But sometimes our greatest
purposes choose us. On August sixth, two thousand and three,
over twenty one years ago, I was out of town
on business and I got a call from my dad
because I hadn't heard from my husband all day, and
I'd say, hey, Dad, do me a favorite go over
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and check and see if my if what he was,
you know, because he had just started a new job
and was having trouble sleeping. So my dad goes over
to my house and I get a call. I'm still
on set shooting at like eight o'clock at night in Detroit,
and it was my dad and the phone call it's bad,
it's bad. I'm like, what do you mean it's bed
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like what he's dead. I'm like, what do you mean
what he's dead? He's like, I go, how do you
know he's done? And he's like, he's hanging, and literally,
in one like second, my entire world, everything that I
had planned, everything that I knew, came crashing, crashing down,
and literally those words to this day, twenty one years later,
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still you know, ring in my head because I still
can't believe it. And I've been doing this work for
twenty one years, but you know, everything intuitively in my body.
When my dad's like he's dead and hanging, I'm like,
what we wasn't depressed. He had no history of depression
or anything else. He had just started his dream job
with a startup company five weeks or earlier in the year,
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but five weeks earlier he went to the doctor because
he was having trouble sleeping. So he was one of
those guys that you were just talking about, like your
mother who blindly trusted the doctors, right, his doctor would
was a big athlete. They put him together, you know,
after he got injured playing sports. You know, he got stitches,
they stitched them up, you know, fixed his knees. He
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didn't think that they got paid enough because they got
him back up and running and playing on the basketball court,
et cetera. So he went to his GP, you know,
about five weeks earlier, and was telling him how he
was having trouble sleeping, and his doctor, who he trusted,
gave him a three week sample pack of an antidepressant, Zoloft,
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and said that it would take the edge off and
help him sleep. And I happened to be it was
my busy time of my work, and I happened to
be out of the country the first three weeks when
he was put on those drugs, and the drug that
he came home with the sample pack automatically doubled the
dose after week one. And so that's really kind of
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the precipitus of this when he had no history. But literally,
when I got that call, I'm like, there's no Everything
in my body was like, there's no way that what
he was hanging like, it just didn't even make it
didn't even compute with my body.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But literally that night when my.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Life fell apart, the corner called and asked me a
question and asked if what he was taking any medication.
The only thing he was taking was zoloft, and she said,
we're going to take it with us. It might have
something to do with his death. That was clue number one.
Clue number two was, ironically, the same day when he
was found, the front page of our Minneapolis Star Tribune
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had an article that said the UK finds link between
antidepressants and suicide in teens. And that literally happened the
same night that my husband's death, that made no sense happened.
So you know, that became really the start of it.
As I'm trying to get back from Detroit where i was,
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back to Minneapolis, my brother in law goes home and
googles zoloft and suicide. And we had no idea that
the FDA held hearings in nineteen ninety one when it
was only prozac on the market, and at that time,
every one of the advisory board members took money from
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pharmaceutical makers make an antidepressant, and they said, nope, we
don't see any link between violence and suicide with prozac.
So the FDA said, told Eli Lilly, let's study soucieality.
Of course they never did or never never got brought
to the forefront. And meanwhile, the FAA approved additional antidepressants
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from Advisor being Zoloft and Taxel from Glaxis Smith Klein
and approved it for children.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And so that was what he was two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
This was in nineteen ninety one. So almost immediately this
became our mission because Woody love life, and there was
no way that this was going to be the legacy
that was going to be, you know, for for him.
He loved you know, we were just starting to try
to have kids and and everything. So this became our mission,
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my brother in law and I's mission, and started almost
immediately going out to DC and we call it the
Battle for Woody, and it became you know, me with
everybody from the FDA, Congress, anybody who would listen to
tell our story. And then ultimately had a lawsuit which
was part of it, and got documents. I'll come under seal.
(08:10):
But it's a pretty tragic story and it's one that
still is going on, you know, twenty one years later,
and It's become just part of who I am today.
Because we didn't know. We blindly trusted. And if I
could do anything to help another family not have to
discover what we discovered after the fact, I will do
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that the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Hold right there. Kim wit Sex is our guest. If
you want to find her, it's online. It's Kimwitsex dot com.
And I'll spell it for you. Kay, I am obviously
Wi t czak Wi t czak. More we start coming up,
remember me, remember Scott mad Kim wits is our guest.
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A quote attributed to her sickness used to happen to you.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Now we live in a world where it is.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Being sold to us. It sounds very reminiscent of what
Robert F. Kennedy Junior has said over the last few years,
and that is there's nothing more profitable than a sick child.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Kim.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
We talked about the impetus for this activism on your part.
I'm guessing it doesn't pay well, if at all. But
you know there is something about a ministry a zeal
a person has when they see wrong and they have
to write it. Do you see any hope in your
twenty one years of advocacy. Are we seeing I want
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to go deeper into what you have to say, but
is there any light at the end of the tunnel?
Are you collecting any wins along the way?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Sure, you know, it's been a long journey, but you know,
some of the winds along the way were the fact
that we did get the warnings added to antidepressants in
two thousand and four, in two thousand and six, but
to this day there are no there are no warnings
that exist for all ages. And the reality is with antidepressants,
the risk of suicide, violence, all of any of those
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kind of neuropsychiatric side effects happened at all ages, so
everybody should be worn. So there's you know, that was
a light. I think the fact that I got appointed
and was you know, I sit on the FDA Advisory Committee,
the same one that in nineteen ninety one didn't do
their job. I sit on that committee today and I'm
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often the loan vote, but at least I'm there, you know,
So these are some small winds. And then I would
also say, you know, I feel like I've been banging
my head for a long time on these issues as
well as you know, I thought it was truly when
when it first happened, I mean I was kind of
one of those people that blindly trusted too to be honest,
and I thought it was just an issue with antidepressants,
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but I realized, oh no, no, no, this is a systemic
problem with our whole drug safety system. It is you know,
health As I always say, healthcare is of business and
they need patients to go to, you know, as customers.
And so I do think the last couple of years
of you know, with what happened with COVID and the
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rush the you know, quote unquote vaccine that I think
we've now opened, I think that was the light that
kind of spotlighted what's been going on for and for
people like Kennedy, people like myself who've been in this,
the lawyers, other advocates that have been advocating for the
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ugly side of medicine, the harms. This has been going
on for a long time. But I think there's all
these new people that have come into the system and
are now seeing like whoa even like I love when
I hear docs that have like are starting to learn, wait,
I didn't even know what I didn't know. And I
think that to me is a bright spot that we
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have to continue to shine the light and bring more
people into the fold, because ultimately, at the end of
the day, you know, you know, keeping people sick is
a great business strategy. It's an awful strategy for living
well into you know, and aging well.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's a they call it planned obsolescence in the consumer
product market, the idea that we could make a tire
that would last a million miles, one hundred years, whatever
the period of time is.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But where's the profit in that?
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's much better to treat the symptoms than to heal
the patient, because when you heal the patient, you don't
keep him on a monthly subscription. Once you understand how
often that is the case. And I want to be
very clear, there are a number of doctors and medical
professionals listening to our show, and I don't want you
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to think that we think that every one of you
is evil.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
In fact, very few are.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
But it's enough to make a difference, and the business
side of this doesn't have to be terrible. I want
people to make money. I want them to make money.
I want their patents protected, I want them to engage
in research and development. I want them seeking cures to things.
But I cannot pretend any longer that we live in
a world where it's not the case that people are
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being allowed to suffer and die when there are cures.
People are being injected with what's being called a vaccine
that is not a vaccine.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
They're getting boosters. I don't know what number they're on.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Now we find out that eleven thousand governmental officials were
exempted from it.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's nonsense. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
And if you love humanity and you love your neighbor,
you have to be willing to study and enter into
some very difficult conversations. And that's what I hope we're
talking about today. That's what I hope you'll be willing
to be open minded about. I read of you, Kim Witsex.
My drug safety FDA reform advocacy was born out of
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nothing but a deep knowing that something didn't make sense
about what he's death. And if you're new to the show,
that's her late husband who hanged himself. So I started
to dig into the one only thing that changed my
husband's life, being prescribed zoloft.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
This journey for the.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Truth took me to the FDA HHS Congress, the courts
and the media. What I learned shocked me. Someone had
to do something. So why not me talk a little
more about what you learned about the pharmaceutical industry side effects,
because I know somebody who took his own life, who
was on an antidepressant it preceded zoloft, and you never
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get that person back.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
The pain never heals.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, absolutely, well, I have to say I was pretty shocked.
I would just even I will go back to just
knowing that in nineteen ninety one there were hearings at
the FDA, like how come I we didn't know. I mean, granted,
in nineteen ninety one, I was like, just you know
in college, like that was the furthest thing from me.
I had no history of any of these medications, but
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you know, the biggest thing, and I think what was
really potent in helping get and push for the black
Black suicide warnings as well as there were big congressional
hearings that were happening at that time too, to do
with all of the moneies that were flowing between the companies,
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academic institutions, the FDA and the and the companies, and
so that was happening at the same time.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But really what was potent was the drug.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Company and FDA internal documents that the judge in My
wrongful death Failure to Warn lawsuit released that showed that
the FDA advisor Blacklistmiths client they've known about the risk
of suicide and violence, as well as the lack of
efficacy from the early days. Like when you see it
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in black and white on their letterhead. It's not about
you know, Woody being gone and meeting all these other
families that had very similar examples, you know, similar situations.
It's when you see it on letterhead and you're like
somebody knew, and you know, people like Woody and countless
and thousands of others and probably hundreds of thousands of
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others were considered the cost of doing business collateral damage
because you know, they'll always be risk with medicine, so
they just kind of factored in almost like an actuarial
you know, it's a business decision, but you know what
for somebody like me and our family, like those were
that was somebody's husband, that was somebody's son, that was
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somebody's uncle, that was somebody's friend, that's somebody's kid, and
so those you know, once you put it in that
kind of frame you have to do something, and I'm
all about making money, but doing it the right way.
And when you know, and this is what I'll never understand,
even back then, when they'll be like, oh, well, these
drugs just make you. They make you feel better, so
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you're gonna, you know, act on your impulses, I'm like,
well that should have been number one warning. You should
have done that from the beginning. But again when you
look at the documents where you know, like one of
them was just this this, I didn't realize that. In Germany,
protect was never approved initially for two reasons, risk of
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suicide lack of efficacy. Eventually it did get approved, but
it had to be prescribed with a sedative, and that
is to to offset this like akathesia, which is this
side effect, which is what they kept from GTS and
Defizer actually talked about it as if a paid or
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somebody gets this side effect to akathesia, which is like
what wo He told me three weeks after he started
taking this drug where he was standing outside his head
looking at a body looking in and I had no
idea what was happening.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Kim Holder up there, that hold out there There's plenty
more to talk about. Kim Whitsack is with Kim Whitsacks
is our guest. We'll continue our conversation with her. Her
comment that sickness used to happen to you. Now we
live in a world where it is being sold to us.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't care if somebody did this, fakes you. You
can't shoot Michael. Kim Whitsacks is our guest.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
It's an odd spelling, but if you can figure it out,
you can find her online.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You can connect with her.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You can learn a lot more about her passion and
zeal and activism for the health of her fellow man,
for information and transparency. I understand there are side effects
to every drug. I understand that there can be a
downside to a drug that can heal a lot of people.
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But consumers, patients, Americans should know what those things are.
They shouldn't be hidden from you. You shouldn't be lied to.
Kim Whitsacks is spelled k I M obviously Wi t Czak.
Let's spell that again, Wi t Czak, kimwitsas dot com. Kim,
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you were finishing talking about what his death. That's her
late husband. He hanged himself. He was on Zoloft. That
set her off on a over two decade long journey
of activism and we're the better for it.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But I think I had to interrupt you in the middle.
Oh sure.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So I was talking about the side effect akathsia and
one of the documents that we got out from the
lawsuits that was written by Pfizer's chief medical officer. It's
a journal article that I talked about if patients get
the side effect akathesia, it's quote unquote death can be
a lot result. So that was public, But what wasn't
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public was the fact that he wrote a memo to
his sales field staff saying that the attached journal article
is not suitable for general practitioners, but may be of
interest to neurologically inclined by psychology or psychiatrists. Well, the
bulk of these drugs were written by GPS, so they
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intentionally kept that from GPS. And so once you started
digging in, and I would, because I love traveling, and
I would go to all these conferences around the world
with my lawyers, and I would go to the one
that had a huge profound impact on me. That also
was what I ended up bringing the conference here to
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the States. It was called Selling Sickness and it was
put on by the Dutch government, attended by people from
all over the European, EU, Australia, all over. There's a
handful of US from the US, US and they were
mostly attorneys and activists and myself and every example that
they were using of selling sickness was from the US.
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And I remember thinking, why isn't this conversation happening in
the US. And then I started realizing, oh, wait, our
whole system is built on this. Like I call it
the spider web, and I now have a spider web
that I've created with the doctor and the patient in
the middle, and it's the system from like academics to
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how the academic institutions, how advertising and marketing, the FDA,
who are they working for? It's basically the system, and
you know, the spider web, and it really keeps people trapped.
But if you don't know, you know, like spider webs,
you walk right into them. You don't know that you're
even part of it. But once you start digging in,
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you see the marketing. And I always find this interesting
and I always love working with attorneys and that's probably
why I have a lot of respect or somebody like
Kennedy is because he's an attorney. He's been inside these
company biles. He knows how they work, he knows the game.
And it's not just big Pharma, it's big Fluids, big
m it's all of the industry. But they use the
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same playbook. And it's interesting because when you work with
these attorneys, you find out one of the first places
that they go looking for documents is in the marketing department.
And so my whole background, you know, like you said,
I didn't choose to do this work, and I've never
This isn't how I make my living. I make my living.
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I'm in advertising and marketing. I'm still in the in
the profession. So when I see it and I'm like, whoa,
my business what I do every day. Marketing is a
huge part of the problem. Even just starting out with advertising,
most people don't realize that the US is one of
only two countries in the world that allow drug ads
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on TV. Then you're like, oh, wait, what about all
the advertising that happens to doctors and the way that
they're being sold. Then you start learning about like, oh,
marketing key opinion leaders, which is basically paying the doctors. Again,
this was another concept I learned out of my lawsuit
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because Fizer had all of the journal publications already planned.
They knew when this article was going to run about
zolof being good for social anxiety disorder, and they already
knew what day when it was going to run. They
but it said author TBD and I was like, what
does that mean? Well, only to find out that they
needed to put a doctor on there. But they already
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had it written and they knew when it was running,
but they had to put somebody in. Those are called
key opinion leaders or even ghostwriting. So you start seeing
it and you're like, oh, this is all marketing, and
so you know once once you've seen that, then you
start seeing patterns, and you know when COVID came along.
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I do not have children. I know there's a lot
of other people that do vaccine advocacy. I've never done that.
But when the whole idea of the COVID JAB came
and I was like, wait, you're giving these companies like
Pfizer complete legal immunity. Wait, these are the same companies
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that have paid more fines and most of the findes
that have come from that. They paid in big litigation
was from in marketing, off label marketing, and a lot
of it in marketing keeping the side effects from the public.
And I was like, well, that seems like a really
bad idea because even if they knew about it in
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the clinical trials, which by the way, they do know
about a lot of these side effects, but it's when
millions of people start taking them, and that's what When
the marketing or the hope that you're selling, the hope
of this solution, that's when you start seeing some of
these side effects emerge. And so the fact that you know,
so that was like one of the big kind of
(25:06):
like flags for me was just the fact that you
start seeing patterns and once you see a pattern, you
know you And I always say once you've seen, you
can unsee. And so it's the perspective that now I
look at everything that I see that comes out and
especially you know, even looking at ozempic and all the
(25:28):
marketing for weight watching, you know, the weight and overweight
and then you follow the business side of things and
what are the two Like JP Morgan just had their
annual and I always tell people, go look and see
what Wall Street's talking about. Go look at these conferences. Well,
JP Morgan has their big healthcare conference every January. And
(25:52):
what are the two big areas that they're looking at,
obesity and Alzheimer's And what are we seeing all of the.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
New drug holds.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
That's the discussion of our next and last segment. Kim
Whitseax is our guest. Will continue our conversation with.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Her man Michael Berry glad in the system lack of
tube modom Day Robin.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Kim wit Sax is our guest. She after her husband
hanged himself and only thirty seven years old. He was
taking Zoloft for insomnia, and she started digging in. She
started talking to people, and she started finding very, very
troubling things. And she did not simply go away. She
(26:41):
dug in, She learned, she engaged, she read, and she
has come to be an expert on the matter. She
speaks at length on the concept of selling sickness and folks,
I don't want you to understand if you're a medical
professional or just a person who thinks I'm a whack
(27:01):
job conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I have a doctor for every part of my body.
I have them on speed dial. I love and adore them.
I consider them family members. I respect them, but I
also disagree with them on occasion, and I question everything.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I had a doctor years ago. It's not my doctor
any longer.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I asked him about I was having a little trouble sleeping,
and I said, you know, is there something you would
suggest I do?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Foods I should eat?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And he wrote me a script and sent me on
my way, and I went up to the front and
got it, and she said, I'll call it in for you,
and I said, well, I can't read what it is.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
And it was.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Prozac. Is that the anxiety drug? Is it Prozac? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
And so I said, whoa, I don't feel that. I
don't want to be on an anxiety drug. And you know,
I talked to him later and he said, well, I
was trying to do you a favor. Most people want
a prescription because they have anxiety, and I said, I
don't have anxiety per se.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I'm wound tight.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I could drink less coffee, I could focus on my
career more, I could work out more, I could get
more sleep.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But I do not want a pill to solve my problem.
I want and I learned breathing.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Exercises turn off the phone, earlier, eat earlier, exercise more
means you sleep more. I started taking natural solutions, finding
natural solutions to make myself happier so that I'm built
for longevity. That doctor wasn't evil. He was doing what
doctors have grown to do, and that is you walk
(28:46):
in and tell them what your problem is. They send
you to a prescription to solve it. But that often
causes others and that's very disturbing.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Anyway. Kim Whitsacks is our guest.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
If you'd like to learn more about her, her website
is kimwhitsas dot com, which is wi cz Ak. We
were talking about. You said, look at where the money's going.
Look at JP Morgan, what they're looking at. Obesity and Alzheimer's.
Those are the two big issues where you can make
the most money going forward.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And what did you find from your studies?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Oh well, it was fascinating because you go look at
what's happening right now with oozepic, right or any of
the what are some of you? You know? Yes, and
so like now you've got businesses popping up all over.
But I've heard from again going to the lawyers that
(29:41):
they're talent, they're being told by the insurance companies to
put set aside like half a billion dollars every quarter
for potential lawsuits that are.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Going to be coming.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
So of course they know lawsuits are going to come,
but why not make you know, it seems that the
strategy is, let's make hay while the sunshine, right, But
then there'll be people who will be hurt and they'll
come after the fact and learn like I didn't and
then they wonder why didn't I ever question or push back?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And so same with like all.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Looking at the alzheimer drugs that are that have come
out that have are controversial and have already been removed,
like there was one that has already been removed, and
they're using they're all using so looking at breakthrough, they're
using fast tracking mechanisms, which is what we saw with
the COVID jabs, right they're using and which this has
(30:33):
been going on for a while, and this was some
you know, this was back during like twenty first century
Cures Act, which is like during Obama days. So it's
like going back and really kind of paying attention what's
happening in Congress because it's all kind of flowing through
this entire system but you start looking and that allowed
(30:54):
because you know, like, oh, there's so much pressure we
need we need better drugs for people, faster innovation, like
using all those words that are buzzwords, right, and there
are motivators to like fast track, and so you're getting
a lot of these alzheimer drugs. Well, then I still
say we got to take a step back, or I
(31:14):
always go you know, like, you know that whole thing,
look like who's throwing the baby and the you know,
we're pulling babies out of the river down and we're like, wait,
we got to go upstream. Who's throwing the babies in
the river? Right? So I want to say we got
to go upstream and wonder even why we're even in
this place where now we have downstream problems Alzheimer's and obesity.
(31:36):
You know where's that coming from? We need to go
upstream and start looking at what is causing it. But
again I come back to you know, this concept of
healthcare is big business and we are customers. There's a
cradle to grave strategy that keeps us constantly needing medications.
(31:58):
And so this is where I challenge people like, you know,
people do whatever they want, but you know, giving your
power away to a doctor, to a to a pen,
to a quick fit, you know, like the pen and
paper that will give you a script to the quick
fixed pill. You know, we need to actually, you know,
we have to take our sovereignty back. And not because
(32:20):
I think there are a lot of amazing doctors out
there that you know, are just doing you know, thinking
they're doing their job because people want, you know, help.
But you know, I think it's okay to challenge. And
I tell people all the time to challenge and just
because they have an MV behind their name that we
there's no one who will care more about our health
(32:41):
and our loved ones health than we will care. And
you know, you're telling that story about how you got
a quick script. And I remember after what he died,
I went to my doctor and she said do you
think you do you think you need anything? And I
looked at her, I go, well, I think this is
what killed my husband, and then I go but more importantly,
I hurt, like my husband died. And she looked at
(33:02):
me and she said, yes, but you don't need to
and I was like, yeah, I do need to. This
is how you heal.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
You have to go through.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
But she was going to quickly give me an antidepressant
to help me like numb. And sure there are times
and places for meds. And I'm not anti med, I'm
just pro information, pro transparency. Give us the truth, like
tell us the truth like we are not. We can handle.
We can handle like if there's a potential for warning,
(33:33):
we can. We can handle the truth, But we can't
handle if we don't know what is potentially an issue. Right,
So again I go back to its big business and
there will be no one that will care more about
our health than you and I ourselves.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
I think that's a perfect way to conclude a very wonderful,
our long discussion about issues. And folks, Kim can't solve
your problems, and I can't solve your problems, and doctors
can't solve your problems, and pharmaceutical companies can't solve your problems.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
These are things you.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Have to invest timing, to learn to read, to make
the best judgments for you, because there is no one
size fits all.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I respect your advocacy.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
You took an unfortunate circumstance of lemons and made lemonade
out of it, and I think you're genuinely focused on
trying to help other people through your work, and I
admire you for that. Kimwitsas dot com, thanks for being
our guest and thanks for what you've done.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Oh, thank you so much.
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