PM Show HR 2 - Why Ron DeSantis Is A Great Governor

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
So Michael Verie Show is on the air.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
The question is what is the future of democratic leadership?
Who is going to be effective? But we have dynamic,
young new leaders some of it. Chris Murphy is a
top leader, and Cory Booker is a dynamic leader. Brian
Chatz is a dynamic leader. I mean Elizabeth Warren, someone
who's ideology I appreciate.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Now.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
We said we are anchoring ourselves in the moral traditions.
We came out here over ten hours ago, Hakima and
I said, this is a bigger moment than politics. This
is a moral moment in America. And we were gonna
sit here for a long time. I didn't know we'd
be sitting for ten hours. But it's ten hours and
we're still going, and we got some great people here.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
This is who I grew up believing with my brothers.
This is our family's story. My apology is an apology
for not having been more sensitive about tribal citizenship and
tribal sovereignty. I really want to underline the point of

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tribes and only tribes determine tribal citizenship. It is an
issue of tribal.

Speaker 7 (02:01):
So off I got, and.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
This shutdown hurt.

Speaker 8 (02:48):
It did, But unfortunately, I don't think there is a
way to save this country, to save our democracy, without
there being some difficult, hard moments belonging.

Speaker 7 (03:01):
The way I got the eye time.

Speaker 9 (03:08):
Loots News is reporting that forty percent of women want
to relocate and move out of the United States.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
The number six oh five roman.

Speaker 10 (03:19):
Number of Americans say they want to leave the country permanently.
This is according to a new Gallup poll. Twenty percent
of people say they want to live somewhere else. That's
one in five, and the shift is mainly driven by
young women ages fifteen to forty four. Forty percent of
them say that they want to go.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Good go.

Speaker 9 (03:40):
You're crazy, You're nuts. You're the people laying out in
the street. Please do leave. We don't like you. You
don't like you, You hate yourself, You crazy witch.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
This is six h two or moan.

Speaker 9 (04:02):
There's a subset of liberal women that Rush used to
call feminazis giving Rush the credit he deserves, which is
the reason we are here, his inspiration, the reason we
have an am talked out, the reason we get to
gather me and you here every day like this is

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because Rush blazed the trail. It is easy to forget
that not only did he give us the tools to
think about things differently, the tools that we use today
that we take for granted, we have those tools, and

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that understands. He gave us the language. We didn't have
language for a supposed feminist who is angry and bitter
and vicious. He gave us that language. And once you've
got that term, that's your currency. You just dropped that

(05:04):
whenever you need it. It's shorthand you can make an
argument so much faster.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
You can simply.

Speaker 9 (05:09):
Label somebody a feminazi, and that in and of itself
is powerful, that's all rush. I hate using TikTok videos
because then you have to read people's names and it's like,
you know, hung Low forty four, and it's always stupid

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and it's not serious, not that we're so serious, but anyway,
just know that when I read out the name of
somebody's account on TikTok that I'm cringing when I do it.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Please please feel for me in that way. I'm cringing when.

Speaker 9 (05:45):
I do it because well, yeah, for the obvious reason,
so a character by the name of But one thing
we do do is that we give credit for content
you're not required to.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
A lot of people steal.

Speaker 9 (06:05):
A lot of people do the Carlos Mencia thing and
steal other people's work. They do it every day. There
are famous people who do it. I don't get into
the beefs with people. I'm not mentioning who they are.
You'd probably figure it out. But people do that, and
those people who do that are not talented. They rip
off artists. One of the things that we have tried

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to do very very well. It's why Rush made the
point that he didn't listen to other shows for this
very reasons he want to rip them off, is that
we give credit.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Wordse to so muie suave for you.

Speaker 9 (06:37):
On TikTok has a video for the most feminist woman
in the world.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
She believes in equality unless you bring up the military draft.
Accountability is her kryptonite. Therapist call her a walking gold mine.
She thinks sleeping with dozens of men empowers her, and
even the men she sleeps with agree. She shouts her

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abortions and let's just say she shouts a lot. She's
a happiness coach, even though she's miserable. She was taught
there's over seventy genders in college, and it costs tens
of thousands of dollars to learn. She self diagnoses and
likes telling everyone about it. She hates when men objectify

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women's bodies, but for four ninety nine a month, you
can objectify hers. She calls herself a boss ass bitch.
Others just call her a bossy bitch. She has a
lot of cats, but not nearly as many as she
will have. She has a dad, but she doesn't really
talk to him. He doesn't think we live in World

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War II Germany. No, she thinks we live in an
even worse time and place. She nags to go on
podcasts to debate, ensues them when she loses her only
fans is worth less than a McDonald's breakfast. She likes
black men until they display misogyny. Then she calls the cops,

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who are all bastards. By the way, she is the
most feminist woman in the world.

Speaker 11 (08:19):
People need to make informed decisions, and you're giving them
the into.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
Michael Berry says, you're a public Paul Revere had a
ring in the warning.

Speaker 12 (08:41):
Hey waited till he finished high school.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
You too.

Speaker 9 (08:47):
By way of giving credit, God to Gunther Eagleman on Twitter,
which they now call x It'll always be Twitter to me.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I think.

Speaker 9 (08:58):
Posted a video about it. How the liberal woman is
a fascinating creature. I don't know if this is Gunther's.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Video or not. I mred asked him.

Speaker 9 (09:09):
I meant to ask him, and I did not get
a chance to do that, So I'm assuming it's Gunthers.
If it's not, I'll come back.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
If someone goes to the trouble of making really good
content that is so good that we're going to rip
somebody else's content and play it for you, I consider
it amplifying, not ripping. As long as you give credit
to someone, you're actually expanding the audience for them. But
it's really really good. So for now, let's say it's
gun Through Eagleman, and imagine if you didn't have these

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women in our country. These are the women who are
threatening to leave Ah.

Speaker 12 (09:47):
Yes, the liberal woman a truly fascinating creature of the
modern world. She is instantly recognizable by her brightly dyed hair,
her oversized glasses, and the ever present tote bag overflowing
with homemade protest signs. Her natural habitat spans a wide
range grocery store parking lots, trendy coffee shops, city council
meetings she wasn't invited to, and, of course, the sacred

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ground of online comment sections. Despite her unpredictable behavior, her
routine is surprisingly consistent. Her migration route often leads her
to a local coffee shop, where she orders a complicated
beverage that no barista on earth can make correctly. This failure,
of course, fuels her purpose for the day. She works
in many environments, but rarely for long. Offices, classrooms, nonprofits

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all become temporary ecosystems she must eventually flee due to
what she calls toxic energy. Most scientists agree that toxic
energy tends to appear whenever she is asked to follow
rules or work with others. Her protests require no specific cause,
only volume, dramatic gestures, and the unwavering belief that she
alone sees the truth. Yet, despite her chaos, the liberal

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woman remains a marvel of modern nature. Driven by a
sustained by outrage, and fully prepared to be offended at
a moment's notice, She continues her journey day after day
in her endless quest to correct a world that rarely
asked for her guidance.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I'd say that's pretty darn good.

Speaker 9 (11:15):
I wish you could see the video because she's exactly
what you would imagine a fat white girl wearing Chuck
Taylor high tops, pacey white legs, some sort of a jean.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Uh uh, what do you call Saint Tramont. They're named
for what do you call the the pants that are
cut off at the knees that women wear like a
Florida thing.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
Uh starts with a P. Anyway, she's like wearing those
that are black. They're like black jeans at knee length,
and then then a shirt with all sorts of you know,
f youer and then buttons and then a jacket on
that and it's all designs and it's just just fat.
There's so much fat on there. What capri capri pedal pushers.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, thank you. And what are we doing? Oh yeah, no,
we're not starting the show. We're well into the you know,
we're live. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 9 (12:21):
So she's got this big fat pumpkin up there on top,
bones and noses and a hair five different ugly colors.
You know, I almost get the impression with these women
that they are they know they're ugly, so they embrace
it as if they choose to be ugly because she

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can clean up and dress up and she's never going
to be cute.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
But this way, it's.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
Like, yeah, I'm ugly, That's what I want to be.
I'm not sure I'm buying that. Not sure I'm buying it.
Pivot new topic. Florida Governor Ron De Santis has been
the best governor in the country for several years now.
I know he doesn't get his due, and I know
some of you don't agree with that. He made the

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mistake of running against Donald Trump. I don't know Ron
de Santis. I had my own criticisms of Ron de
Santis as a candidate, but I think he's a very
good governor. He's the best governor in the country.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I believe that. And I believe that he believed that.

Speaker 9 (13:28):
Trump wasn't going to be able to run, or wasn't
going to run, and I believe that he saw his opportunity.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
And what he believed was if.

Speaker 9 (13:39):
He didn't run, then a nicky Haley who was going
to run would end up as president and he could
have beaten her.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
When he got in the race.

Speaker 9 (13:50):
Now it was him versus Trump, and Trump plays for keeps.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Trump you if you go, you want to know.

Speaker 9 (14:03):
It's why Alabama fans loved Nick Saban so much because
Nick you knew.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Nick Saban didn't stay.

Speaker 9 (14:09):
Up the night before like Urban Meyer at a club
with some woman he's having an affair with. He wasn't
like Petrino or Lane Kiffen when he was younger. He
wasn't out partying all week. You knew he was focused
and he had his boys focused. You know that when
Donald Trump is running or doing anything, he's doing it

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to win. And so Dessanta's got caught by the buzzsaw
of Donald Trump. But he deserves to be regarded as
a great governor and he is. He's the governor I
wish we had in Texas instead of just do nothing.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Greg Abbott. Anyway, he was talking.

Speaker 9 (14:51):
About immigration DeSantis and he said, not all immigration is good,
not just illegally aggreation is bad. Some legal immigration is bad.
These are the truths we have to start talking about.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
You have some strain on the right.

Speaker 13 (15:11):
This is under no you know, illegal illegal immigration is bad,
Legal immigration, no matter what is good. And wait a minute, now,
I'm not saying any of it's that.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's all bad or what?

Speaker 13 (15:21):
But is bringing ten million people from like Somalia and
dumping them into Georgia.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Is that good because it's legal.

Speaker 13 (15:30):
I think you have to think critically about what are
we doing with an immigration policy and is it benefiting
the American people? Is it helping to promote a strong
American culture. We should never bring people into this country
who hate America.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
And when I.

Speaker 13 (15:49):
And I want when I look at like Vindami's dad
and listening to the stuff he's saying about America being
the I'm like, why would we have wanted somebody like
that to come?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I mean, especially if you think America is so bad?
So we have to be smart.

Speaker 13 (16:04):
It's lazy thinking to say anything that's legal must necessarily
be good. Some of these companies gain these systems bringing cheaply,
so there's a whole host of things. But don't do
what Europe did. Europe did a mass migration that was legal,
that was intentional, and it's proven to be disastrous.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Christopher Hitchins angered the American right with his very aggressive atheism.
Christopher Hitchins was a British style liberal, but when he
went back to the neighborhood of his youth and he
saw that it had become Pakistan instead of England. He

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sounded the alarm thirty years ago for what we're seeing today,
and nobody would listen to Michael Show.

Speaker 14 (16:51):
He's the big honor to be living in the United States.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's kind of tortured lyrics.

Speaker 9 (17:27):
You're not gonna win any awards for songwriting, especially since
I like the the stuff of the Texas Red Dirt scene,
which is really pure, beautiful poetry. But there's something grand
about the opening of that song, and in the way
it just starts, it's like something that Delphonics would have done.

(17:48):
It's Hamilton Joe Franken Reynolds, but but it has kind
of a Delphonics bigness to it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I always thought that was such a grand opening for
for a song of the era, and obviously so did
uh Tarantino because he used it in Jackie Brown.

Speaker 9 (18:11):
Great use of music. Of course, he doesn't need my
compliments on night Can You give Us?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Don't Pull Your Love Again? Just just opening. Now that
people are really focused on how awesome it is, I
don't believe you.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Hear that.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
You hear that piano rip down there? It's beautiful.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
I love the thought because we play more music than
most folks, and when we started, we got a lot
of criticism for it, but now people understand that's part.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Of part of our show.

Speaker 9 (18:46):
It's it's it's it's it's integral to our show. I
forgot what I was going to say, completely, forgot what
I was going to say. I was I was reading
something as I was talking.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Bad idea. Uh oh, I noticed on saying.

Speaker 9 (19:01):
So I love the thought that we air on more
ams than FM's.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
That's the rush limbo effect.

Speaker 9 (19:11):
The AM stations ended up being very valuable again because
of the talk media phenomenon, and music doesn't sound as
good on AM radio as it does on FM because
it's not as crisp and clear talk is fine. Doesn't
make a whole lot of difference, and AM usually has

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a broader reach than FM, which has a tighter, crisper sound,
but AM tends to spread further. It's the nature of
the broadcast in the old fifty thousand signals especially. But
I love the idea that we're putting music, if not
entire songs, we're putting music in your ear on the

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AM dial. And that's a connection to your grandparents because
that's what your grandparents listened to before there were FM stations.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Your grandparents were listening to music on the AM dial.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
In fact, some of them probably heard that song for
the first time on AM. Ron DeSantis has also been
leading the way against the evil that is property taxes.

Speaker 13 (20:24):
Check their citizens to hire taxes such as hire property
taxes to pay for these spending habits.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
And you know, these.

Speaker 13 (20:32):
Property taxes, it's like you buy a home, you buy land.
You know, maybe you buy the home outright, but maybe
you pay off a mortgage over thirty years and then okay,
you've paid off the mortgage, you bought the land. You've
been taxed many times. It's like, is it your property
or not? Just for being on your property, you got

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to write a check to the government every year. So
you're basically paying rent to the government to live on
your own property. And our homestead exemption and is not
strong enough to help these folks because the property gets
assessed so high.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 13 (21:07):
If you buy a home for three hundred thousand dollars
and you know there's certain tax, well then what ten
years later they say it's worth seven hundred thousand and
so and they say you know, there's homestead stuff that
helps protect you to a certain extent, but you're paying
more and a lot of people can't afford that.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
So I think that that's a big issue, and I know.

Speaker 13 (21:26):
We're going to be really looking at ways to bring
people relief from that, because I think it's been really
something that's pinching a lot of homeowners, particularly seniors on
fixed income. But the reality is is people have seen
and this is not the state.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
We don't control this.

Speaker 13 (21:41):
You know, we've not allowed any of that stuff to happen.
We've been cutting taxes, but people have seen their property
tax property tax liability go up over these last years
because the property is being assessed higher and higher. And
the reality is is you don't really know how much
your home is worth until someone offers you money and
is willing to pull the trigger on a sale.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
That's how it works.

Speaker 13 (22:00):
You can say it's worth this much, but if no
one's willing to come and offer you that much, then
why should you pay taxes on that amount? And so
there's a lot of things that need to be done
with that.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I agree. Here is the problem with that argument.

Speaker 9 (22:18):
I believe the property taxes are an awful tax, because
property taxes mean that you never actually own your home.
If you buy a pair of jeans, you own that
par of jens. But if you buy a pair of
jeans and you have to pay a dollar every month

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for two or three to get to keep that pair
of jeens, you don't own the pair of jings.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
You're just renting it. When you dig deep into the technical.

Speaker 9 (22:58):
Relationship you have with that para gene or your property,
you don't actually own it. You have to keep paying
the government for the privilege of using it, which means
the government owns it. They own everything, They own everything,
and you must pay them for the privilege of using it.

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Make no mistake. You can pay off the bank, the
bank no longer has a claim against you, but you
must pay the government even if you live up in
the woods and don't do it anything.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Don't do anything, don't use anything.

Speaker 9 (23:35):
So that tax is a terrible tax because you are
punished because your property is increasing in value. So people
will say, well, yeah, but that's good. See your property
is increasing in value. The value of your home does
not do you any good. The value on paper of

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your home and that value increasing is a no use
to you until the moment you sell the home. If
you're going to live in a home for forty years,
you'd rather that home be worth tenenty ten million because
you're going to pay taxes on that amount. That's a valuation.
That's where ad valorum per the value comes from. So

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the fact that you're that the appraisal district says, oh,
your home is worth more than it was last year.
Not to me, it's the same home. But we'd like
to text you more on it. But here's the better question.
I hear Desantas say this. We've got Texas politicians saying
this right now, we need to end that debt burd
property tax. Okay, great, let's end the property tax. But

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that's the primary means of funding the Texas government. What
are you going to replace it with? See, we don't
ever talk about cutting spending because everybody loves the idea
of not paying taxes.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Gonna borrow more money. How are you gonna pay the
bills for all the things you're spending money on? Because
none of them are cutting spending, none of them, none of.

Speaker 9 (25:09):
Them because they can't politically, they don't want to fade
the heat. There's no real constituency for cutting wasteful spending.
There's a constituency for talking about it, and there's a
massive constituency.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
This is like running for student body president in third grade.
I'll get everybody ice cream Friday.

Speaker 9 (25:37):
Okay, we're in all right, So we're gonna do away
with property taxes. We're not gonna build roads, We're not
gonna what about all the massive programs.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Who's gonna pay for those? There has to.

Speaker 9 (25:48):
Be a parallel cut in order to cut the revenues.
It's a ledger. It's pretty simple. Are people stupid that
they don't demand this?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, cut the ball with the doctor might go to
Betty's show.

Speaker 15 (26:18):
See the curtains in Anno and Loo in the evening
on the bridd and a little line to shine into
the way.

Speaker 9 (26:28):
If the flu has made its way through your family
or your workplace, if you have a kid in school,
you've been hearing a lot about the flu.

Speaker 8 (26:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Listeners used to tell me.

Speaker 9 (26:43):
That elementary schools are little germ incubators, and it's kind
of one of those things that's in one ear and
out the other. You don't process, it doesn't mean anything.
Then you send your kid to elementary school and you
realize you kids coming home sick constantly because there's always

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some little rat ass kid with the with the cold
or the flu. And uh, we had a wonderful school nurse.
My wife and her were good friends, and my kids
loved her. She's real, real pretty, and so my kids
would feign illness so they'd go to the school nurse

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and they wouldn't admit it, but they liked to go
to this woman that looked like Idriamginie. What's her name, Barbara,
Barbara Eaton? Yeah, so, and who could blame them. She's
a beautiful woman, and she was a she was a
PhD in physics, and then she'd gone to nursing school.

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And she's about six feet to she like a model,
about six feet tall, and I don't like tall women,
but she was striking, and she wore heels and my
blonde hair, blue eyed, great bone structure, I mean everything
that the that, the the the catwalk people are looking

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for she had and just as sweet as she could be.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
And so she would have to.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
Send an email to us every time there was an
outbreak of what they called pendiculosis. So I would get
these emails of pendiculosis while I was at work and firstus,
there's been an outbreak of pendiculosis. You need to have
your children checked. And I thought, well, my wife would

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handle that, not no I need to worry about. But
then I got to thinking that sounds like leprosy or
some have I sent my kid to this school to
get smallpox? What what? What kid did they let in
that isn't vaccinated? Because I still believed in vaccines. I
never believed in the flu vaccine, but I still believe

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in most of the You know how we eradicated smallpox.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
And I said, what in the hell?

Speaker 9 (29:07):
Oh, pendiculosis is lice. But I guess we didn't want
to send lice in an email. So there was an
outbreak of pendiculosis. Well, I don't really think that's that
big a deal, to be honest with you, so I
didn't stress it too much. But in any case, it

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is flu season. And there's an interesting, interesting bit of
information I want you to hear before you take a
flu shot. RFK Junior once told Patrick Ben David that
the flu shot makes it four times more likely that

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you will contract an infection a non flu infection.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
And here's why.

Speaker 11 (29:56):
In a million years I would not take a flu shot,
and I'll tell you because this is what Cochrane and BMJFM.
People who take the flu shot are protected against the
AD strain of flu. Their four point four times more
likely to get a non flu infection. And you might
find and a lot of people do that. They get

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the flute shot and then they get sick. They're usually
not getting the flu, they're getting something that is indistinguishable
from the flu because the flu shot gives you something
called pathnogenic priming. It injures your immune system so that
you're more likely to get a non flu viral upper
respiratory infection. In fact, the Pentagon published a story and

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you can decide it's a wolf of your LF in
January of this year, in which they said the flu
shot not only primes you for flu, and it primes
you for coronavirus if you get They gave flu, they
hit a placebo group and they had a vaccine group

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because they wanted it for many a military readiness to
see if the flu shot was prophylactic against coronavirus. What
they found is actually the people who got the flu
shot were thirty six percent more likely to get coronavirus.
And that's not that's not a loan study. We found
six other major studies that say that the same thing.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
If you get the flu.

Speaker 11 (31:23):
Shot, you're more likely to get coronavirus.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
You hear that.

Speaker 9 (31:31):
You have to question everything, You have to question everything,
you cannot trust. Sadly, you remember the piece our friend
Cheryl Atkinson ran on the flu shot when she was
with CBS News back in six She said their research

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showed that the flu shot caused more deaths than it prevented,
caused more deaths than it prevented.

Speaker 16 (32:01):
The CDC is taking a closer look at how best
to protect seniors from the flu. The agency is holding
a symposium about that and other issues this week. It
all follows a series of studies that question the effectiveness
of flu shots given to older people. Here's Cheryl Atkinson
with our report.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Millions of seniors swear by their annual flu shots. After all,
ninety percent of people killed by the flu are sixty
five or older. But CBS News has learned that behind
the scenes, public health officials have come to a new
and disturbing conclusion. Mass vaccinations of the elderly haven't done
the job. Doctor Walter Ornstein was among the first to

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notice the problem when he headed up the Centers for
Disease Control's National Immunization Program. He says it's now become
a consensus among public health experts.

Speaker 17 (32:52):
What is absolutely clear is that there is still a
substantial burden of deaths and hospitalizations out there that has
not been prevented through the present strategy.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Here's what scientists have found. Over twenty years. The percentage
of seniors getting flu shots increased sharply, from fifteen percent
to sixty five percent. It stands to reason that flu
deaths among the elderly should have taken a dramatic dip,
making an x craft like this. Instead, flu deaths among
the elderly continue to climb. It was hard to believe

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so are Searchers of the National Institutes of Health set
out to do a study adjusting for all kinds of
factors that could be masking the true benefits of the shots.
But no matter how they crunched the numbers, they got
the same disappointing result. Flu shots have not reduced deaths
among the elderly. It's not what health officials hope to find.
NIH wouldn't let us interview the study's lead author. So

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we went to Boston and found the only co author
not employed by NIH, doctor Tom Reikert.

Speaker 11 (33:54):
We realized that we had incendiary materials.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Doctor Reichert says they thought their study would prove vaccinations
have helped.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
We were trying to do something mainstream.

Speaker 11 (34:03):
That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
We surprised, astonished.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Did you check the data a couple of times to
make sure?

Speaker 8 (34:09):
Well?

Speaker 16 (34:09):
Even more than that, we've looked at other countries now
and the same is true.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
That study soon to be published finds the same poor
results in Australia, France, Canada and the UK, and other
new research stokes the idea that decades of promoting flu
shots and seniors and the billions spent haven't had the
desired result. The current head of National Imanizations confirmed CDC
is now looking at new strategies, but stop short of

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calling the present policy a failure. There's an active dialogue
into how we can do better to prevent influenza and
its complications in the elderly. So what's an older person
to do? The CDC says they should still get their
flu shots, that it could make flu less severe or
prevent other problems, not reflected in the total numbers, but
watch for CDC to likely shift in the near future

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more toward protecting the elderly in a roundabout way by
vaccinating more children and others around them who could give
them the flue. Sheryl eck has in CBS News Washington,
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