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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So I've mentioned Sam Milkman million times one of my
best friends. I met Sam when I worked in Philadelphia,
and Sam's from Philly, and so when I when after
I got fired in Los Angeles, I moved to Philly.
I met Sam literally the day that I landed in Philly,
and Lander had already gotten there and told Sam, my
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friend of mine, Elliott, who I used to work with,
he's coming. You two will be best friends, and he
was John was one hundred percent right, and I from
that day forward, I've probably talked to Sam one hundred
times a day. Sam's wife is Jody, and they met
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when Jody came to the radio station to do and
Jody was doing an informational interview which I had never
heard of, for just she was fresh out of college
out of Boston University, and she's also from Philly. She's
a Philly kid and had come to the radio station
to do an informational interview and ended up with Sam
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doing the interview with him. And from that point on
those two were inseparable, and Jody actually ended up working
at the radio station for a little bit. She came
in just do an informational interview. We happened to be
looking for some people. She ended up working there, and
the three of us, myself, Sam and Jody were inseparable
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the entire time. A lot of people thought Jody and
I were dating because the three of us were out
together all the time. That's funny now, as it turns out,
Sam and Jody were dating, but they didn't want to
tell everybody, so we just went with everybody thinking that
Jody and I were dating. Right, So if we were
going out to lunch, it was the three of us
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on the weekends, and Sam and I lived in the
same apartment building, so the three of us were together
all the time. Well, about a year and a half ago,
Jody was diagnosed with cancer and for the last year
and a half has fought like hell and it is
you don't want and some that, and anyway, the reason
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we were out is we had to bury Jody over
the weekend. Unfortunately, It's horrible. It is horrible, Like I
can't imagine Sam without Jody, right. I love that I'm
so close and friendly with with their kids. They have
three kids. Obviously, I'm very close with with Sam, Jody's parents,
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Jody's sister, very close with with everybody, and so the
the number of people that showed up for the funeral.
All three kids spoke, Sam spoke, the rabbi was was great,
like it's awesome. And Jody's job was she worked she
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worked for the city for a long time for the
City of Philadelphia, but she ran the waterfront in and
built up the water the Delaware River waterfront in Philly.
So if you've ever been to Philly and all along
the Delaware River on the Philly side, not on the
Jersey side, but on the Philly side, there's a skating rink.
They host concerts all the time. There's events NonStop that
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take place there. That's all Jody and her team of
people that that have worked there and kind of built
that up. And it's it is. It is such a
part of Philly. That and that was all Jody and
her her her co workers for years and years and
years building everything up. So it was great. All the
stories were awesome. The two things though, that first of all,
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I did something that I've never done before at a
at a funeral what's that? So the the they had
the funeral service at a at a funeral home, right,
and and again it was great. I don't know how
the kids. I don't know how Sam could stand up there,
and I mean, you try to put yourself in people's shoes, right,
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and listen, I've known Jody's been sick for the better
part of two years, right, And it's really the first time,
other than my dad, of going through diagnosis to death
with somebody, And listen, I didn't have the I wasn't
obviously as old or the life experience when my dad died.
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I was young. I was twenty one to be able
to do it as an adult and somebody who has kids,
who and this is a couple that I've known, their
whole existence together, literally the day they met, I was there.
So this is really like the first time that I've
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walked down that road with somebody. It's it's gut wrenching.
It is gut wrenching, and I can't I was saying
to Sam, like I struggled to reconcile. I can reconcile
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Jody passing. I hate it. I hate everything about it,
But I can't reconcile her not being with Sam and
their kids, Like I can't. I that's not real life
to me yet. And it was gut wrenching. I don't
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like the phrase that somebody and this just doesn't pertain
to Jody. I don't like the phrase that somebody lost
a fight or a battle with cancer. I don't know.
I don't know how that phrase can change or what
needs to happen. I hate that. But people also.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Don't want you, during somebody's illness to refer to it
as a fight.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, it is, it is. I I don't know. I
don't know how that changes. I don't know. I don't
know what you change it to. But to say Jody
lost is wraw Jody. I mean, if anything, Jody kicked
that things asked for a year and a half. I
don't like. I don't I don't like. And and again,
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this this isn't just Jody, this is anybody who's had
to bury anyone because of it. I don't know how
you change I don't know what that becomes to. But
I don't like the phrase so and so lost their
battle with cancer, right because if it's a fight, Jody crushed,
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she crushed it, and I don't she didn't lose. And again,
any anybody that's buried their wife, their husband, their their dad,
a kid, if it was through cancer, no you didn't lose.
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So I hate that. I hate that, and I don't
know what it becomes, and I don't know what you're
supposed to say, but I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Journey is one way people are trying to change the vernacular,
the cancer journey, right.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And by the way, you know how I've always said, I,
when I go, it's going to be a heart attack. God,
I hope. So watching quick Man, watching watching and this
has been a year and a half watching what that's
been like, not just for the family, but also for Jodie.
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Oh my god, Oh my god. And when my dad
was sick, he was he was states away, but oh
my god, just horrific, horrific. But here's the other thing.
It's totally changed my mind. So the quick scenario is,
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so on Friday, right before we got off and listen,
Tyler and Diane know that she's been very sick. So
right before we did dirt, and I was checking my
phone all day on Friday because we knew time was
running out. So I'd been checking my phone all day,
and right before dirt, Sammy sent me a text and
just said, hey, Jody passed. So we did dirt and
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I knew they're Jewish, so I knew that the services
would be coming up very quickly, but I also knew
that I would have a little bit of time. So
we went to Richmond and everybody was great. Everybody's like, listen,
if you don't want to go, it's like, no, I
need to go, Like I need to do that. I
need to go have fun. And as it turns out,
it was awesome. It was great, and I'm glad I went.
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I a little bit of a daze driving down there
and just thinking about it and talking to Sammy and stuff.
But anyway, so that was Friday morning. When did the
event came back Saturday? And I was still waiting to
hear when everything was and I found out I think
it was it may have even been Friday night at
Glory Days that I found out the service was going
to be on Sunday, right, So I came back, went
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to the Sow Kids Can event, which was great. The
Sow Kids Can event was awesome. Nicholas was great. By
the way, you know what's really awesome, Ted's Sweet Club.
The suite is awesome. This weet And by the way,
my popcorn comes in a box in the club, even
it's in a box they have popcorn in the owner's suite.
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That's like an avase. I took a picture of it.
I said it to Tyler. Yeah, you sent me like
two photos and that was one. Yeah, because you could
see the popcorn shot the vase of the popcorn, but
you could see my seeds, which I am going to
be losing behind it. But then you take the elevator down, dude,
there is a full bar down there. There's like there's there.
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They had a buffet setup and you know what, you
know what we had for lunch, steak and fish. I
also had I bade myself a salad. Like I'm grieving
at this point, right so I'm even like crazy. They
have an ice cream bar, they had a candy bar.
One of the winners was going to bring their kids,
but they ended up not being able to. They had
made like chicken tenders and stuff for the kids, mac
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and cheese. I ate that also. The didn't want it
to go to waste, like a full bar like and
that's just that's Ted's, that's Ted's. I asked Nicholas, have
you ever been called down here for dinner? And he's like, nope,
never been in here. So anyway, did so kids can
on on Saturday afternoon. Right, did not stay for the
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game because I knew I had to get back and
pack to go down to Philly on Sunday morning. So
my plan was get home, get everything packed up, obviously,
reach out to Sam and say, you know, do you
need anything? Can I do anything? What needs to happen?
And you know, he's, you know, he's in the middle of,
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you know, trying to figure out what to do. You know,
he's putting plans together. There's there's all kinds of what's
going on in that house. And and again, anybody that's
been through it knows exactly what I'm talking about. And Jody,
Jody was at home, you know, and it was very sick.
So there's like fake bathrooms, all kinds of stuff. So
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I'm calling Sam, like do you need anything? Can I
do anything? Like what needs to get done? So anyway,
all that is going on, So I'm like, Okay, the
service is going to be on Sunday at you know,
early in the afternoon. I'll sleep here in DC and
then I'll go down to Philly on Sunday morning, or
I guess up to Philly on Sunday morning. I'll get
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in the car and I'll go great plan, right, Everything's good.
That way, I don't have to worry about the dogs.
Jackie is in Knoxville at the time, with with with
Dylan hanging out at in Tennessee. So we were like,
that way I can leave by the time I could,
you know, put the dogs in their kennels. By the
time Jackie gets home, it's fine. Jackie's miserable because she
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feels horrible that she's not going down there with Sammy.
We get through all of that. So it gets to
be Sunday, late afternoon, and I said to myself, you
know what Saturday? Course, Yeah, Saturday, late afternoon. So I
says to myself, Elliott, you know what I'm donepacking, I've
gotten everything together. I'm gonna go play my old man
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hockey game. It'll get my mind off of Jody's passing.
It's something I enjoy. I don't. I'm I'm very sad,
but it'll get my mind off of it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So we get out there and we're playing and everything's fine,
and we get like into late into the second period
and goddamn, in the middle of a play, Mike Deitsch Deichi,
who's on my old man team. He comes across the middle,
he ends up getting bumped over. He collides into me.
The two of us go down, okay, and that's when
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I broke my ankle. Did you know it was bad immediately?
You know what? Yes? And no. So it hurt when
I went down, But I'm wearing skates, so like, skates
are firm around your ankle, right, So skates are firm
around your ankle, and I could feel that it hurts
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a little bit, but I'm all right now. I believe
the goalie on the other team. So when Dichi and
I collide, our legs are intertwined, our sticks are intertwined.
I think the goalie may have been trying to offer
help and say that his stick was underneath me and
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in my my my shorts and is hitting my d
What I hear in my head where he is is
him yelling you're a d So I'm laying on the ground,
my ankle hurts, and I'm screaming at him, go after yourself.
But and I but but I'm realizing my ankle hurts
and I can't just jump up. But I'm screaming at him,
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F you go after yourself, because I'm like, why are
you calling me a dick? I'm laying on the ice.
So anyway, I get up, skate to the bench. Keep
in mind that was in the second period, played the
rest of the game. God damnit. Elliott played the rest
of the game because I've got tight skates on. So
you were in pain, but you're hurt, but it wasn't pain.
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That's the difference to thank you. If you're hurt, you play.
If you're injured, you don't. Especially in a very important,
very important dan we were playing team Gray. We were
playing Team Gray. The history between oh, black and Gray,
Black and Gray, it's it's it's as old as Time're.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So close sometimes in certain light you can't even make
the two out.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Absolutely, And it was a two to one game, like
it's close, it's close. Historically that would be expected. So anyway,
we finished the game. We still lose to to one.
We finished the we lost, we lost. We that's that's
neither here nor there. I did say to the goalie
skating by, because I had time to think about it.
I was like, hey, man, you're cool, it's fine. The
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sorry I misunderstood you. I didn't apologize for anything but
the So anyway, and I'm hobbling a little bit. We
get into the locker room and I take my skate off,
and then it starts to hurt. So now I hobble
out to the car and I'm just thinking like, oh,
I just twisted my ankle up. So I hobble out
to the car. I walk out with Biggsy and I
hobble out to the car, throw my gear in there.
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I drive home. I get to the house. That keep
in mind there's nobody else home, right. I get inside
and I'm like, sweet, my ankle is starting to hurt
more and more. But I'll just relax. I'll feel better
in the morning and I'll get up and I'll drive
to Philly. I wake up at three o'clock in the morning,
right time change, so it's really two or whatever it is.
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And I get up to take a piss because I
drank a lot of water during the game. I get
up to take a piss. I can't walk to the bathroom.
Did your foot just like collapse underneath you? It was
so freaking painful. Did you fall the No, But I
was holding myself up against the bed and I'm trying
to walk in every step is just throbbing. And so
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in my head, I'm like, I have to rule out
that it's broken to go to If I have a
broken leg, I can't drive to Philly. So I hop
downstairs and it is so freaking painful, and I'm chasing
two dogs around trying to get them into their kennels
so I can go to I'm gonna take myself to
the emergency room. So I get in the car broken
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right ankle. Well, at this point I think, just hurt
right ankle, yeah, and I drive to the emergency room.
I get in the emergency room, thank god. When I
pulled up, they brought a wheelchair out and wheeled me
in because I'm hobbling to get inside. So they bring
a wheelchair out, They take me in. They did X
rays there. They did say that the room. They were like, hey, listen,
it's going to be loud. There's somebody critical on the
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way in. They're going to be in the room right
across from you. And I'm like, oh, please close the sheet,
Please close the sheet. That person never showed up, so
I don't know if they didn't, but like all the
commotion went away. Fortunate that it wasn't packed too. They
took me right back. Yeah. They took me right back
because I told my ankle hurts and something with my heart. Ye.
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So anyway, I go back in. They come out great people, right,
So they have like this mobile X ray thing. They
take X rays of my ankle sitting in the emergency
room in my little bed. Yeah, Like they don't take
me to where the X ray machine machine is. So anyway,
I'm sitting in there and they come back in and
they're like, now you know what we don't. It's not broken.
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It must just be a really bad sprain. They splint
it and they give me crutches, and they said, we
recommend that you go see your orthopedist because if not,
like leave the splint on and then they would. They
told me like take two AD two tile and all
three to four advill together and that'll help manage the pain.
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I was like awesome, So and they so now I
have a massive splint on my leg. They said, how'd
you get here? I was like, I drove. I was like,
I live two blocks from here. It's four o'clock in
the morning. I'm going to drive home. And the nurse
she was great, She's like, I'm not judging you'd do
what you gotta do. So I drove home. It was
so freaking painful, but at least in my head, I
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know I don't have a broken ankle. I'll deal with
the spring. So I ripped the splint off. I get
up Sunday morning. I can't drive with the splint as.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You were able to drive with it on for the
sup blocks. Yeah, you're just saying you can't drive to
Philly with it, so you can't do it long.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I can't do anything with it on. Like I left
the car roll to the house. There's no traffic, So
I get home. I slept with the splint on. I
woke up Sunday morning. I ripped the splint off. I
stopped at CVS and got another compressed copper fiber compression sleeve,
but this one's for my ankle. I bought two of
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them so it would be tight. I shoved a shoe
on metal Man, and I drove to Philly. Is it
throbbing the whole time? Unbelievably painful, But in the back
of my head, I'm like, thank God, my ankle's not broken,
and I'm not missing Jody's funeral, right like, I'm not
missing it. I drive, I get to the hotel in
Consha Hawkein which is just outside of Philly, and I
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check in and they were very kind. They said, hey,
you know, it looks like you're hurt, just go ahead
and park in the handicap lane. I was like, God, bless.
So I park in the handicap lane and I'm trying,
and I like it is. And I have crutches because
they gave them to me at the er, so I'm
crutching and crutching and crutching. They carried thank god, they
carried my suit up into the into my room for me,
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and so at the at they're very nice people, just
the Marriott or whatever. So anyway I get in there,
I'm going downstairs because there's a wah wah across the
street and I'm starving. So I was like, I'm going
to hobble my ass because it's easier to hobble than
it is to drive. And I at this point, I've
also ditched the crutches, so you're like hopping. I'm walking
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on it in the very paint like I'm limping, but
I'm just walking on it because I also don't want
to I don't want to crutch my way through the
funeral as I would have done you well, yes. As
I come down the elevator, the phone rings. I answered
the phone. I don't recognize the number, but I was like, nah, crap,
I'll answer it. I don't know why I did, but
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I did. And the woman goes, hey, this is so
and so at Virginia Hospital Center. I know you were
in a and you had X rays in the morning.
Radiologists go over all of the X rays just to
make sure that everything was fine. That not that the
people who did their job overnight, but like, now we
have time. It's not a pac dr like I hate
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to tell you, mister Siegel, but yes, you have a
you have a fracture in your ankle. I was like okay.
I was like, well, you know what, that makes sense.
It hurts like hell. And she's like can you come back?
And I was like no, I'm in Philly and she
said I'm sorry and I said, yeah, I drove to Philly.
I'm going to a funeral. She's like, how'd you get there?
And I was like I drove. She said, didn't they
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put you in a splint? And I was like, yeah,
I took that off. She's like, please call your orthopedics person.
So anyway I get through. I didn't go to I
didn't go to wah Wah across the street. Out of
the little snack thing, I got an extra large bag
of barbecue lace. Goodness, so I hate the potato chefs.
Thank goodness for the details. The story would be nothing
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with that detail. So anyway, I called and I've mentioned
it before doctor Nunziata, right. So now it's Sunday, so
I'm texting him like, hey, listen, I know you're busy
with another job that you have. Text me right back
and was like, listen, have them send the information, come
back and see me on Monday. You broke your tibia,
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not your what's the other one, fibula? Yeah, the fibula
is the smaller bone on the outside, which is your pinky.
The tibia is the bigger bone on the inside. Anyway,
I walked all the way through the funeral. I walked
through the cemetery.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Can I say this though? Beg as I did. I
was watching the funeral online right and you could see
when everyone was exiting and Elliott, who again was refusing
to use his crutches, dragged his flat.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I texted him immediately. I wanted to come on the
beautiful tribute to the ceremony, But I said, what are
where are your crutches? Like a concerned mother, because you
had an older gentleman sitting next to you, Yes, who,
by the way, could not have been more man spread
during the service. I like it that guy was already
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in the aisle making his way out. The old guy
Elliott was not halfway through the row. Wasn't the pew.
You're just dragging your foot behind and you have no
idea how painful this thing is. And I can't walk
on it. It hurts to walk on walk and have crutches.
They were in the car. They were in the car.
She didn't want to make a scene. I don't want
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to crutch my way through the thing. I just got
to get to the pew.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Can you will you tell her the beautiful little irony
of you being hobbled at the funeral?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh? So I called Sam to tell him that I
had a broken ankle, right, and that I was going
to be hobbling. So the so I called Sam and
again there in the middle of everything, right, and this
is before the funeral started. But at this point I
already know my ankle's broken. I can't really walk like
I'm gonna schlep my broken leg behind me. And so
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I called Sammy and he answered the phone. I was like, hey, Sammy.
I was like, do you remember you and Jody's wedding day?
Which may have been the wrong thing to say, of
course he does. I was like, but do you remember
at your wedding I hobbled down the aisle because it
was when my loopis was at its worst, and I like,
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I was in tennis shoes, like I couldn't like I
was hobbling, And so I was like, I'm going to
be that guy again at the funeral. I have a
broken ankle and I'm going to hobble my way down.
And Sam goes, oh my god, that's awesome because everybody's
gonna think you've been battling loopis for thirty years. People
who haven't seen you, they'll think, oh my god, this
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guy's this guy's a real fighter. By the way, here's
what I love about the Sam's sense of humor is
so obviously there's the hearse and then the car that
the family's in. Sam's texting me from the car, Hey,
pull up fast behind the hearse. You'll get better parking,
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like he won't stop anyway. Can I say one other
thing about the funeral? And I said that that and
then I'll get back to the tiva in a second.
So I don't like. I don't like somebody losing their
fight to cancer. That's got to change. That's got to change.
The other thing is, and I've totally switched. I hate
going to funerals. I do, everybody does. And I hate
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going to the cemetery. I've only been in one other
like where like cemetery where you're around the body that
was Kaylee's grandfather. Right, What was I gonna do? Tell Sam,
I'm gonna sit in the car. No, I'm going to
the where the where the the body is the grave side? Yeah.
Two things number one and and I don't remember this
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from Kaylee's grandfather. The sound of that body being lowered
into like on the whatever the machine is, Oh my god,
that is. You don't forget that sound. But they went
through and they said, and I don't know if this
is a Jewish thing or if this isn't everything thing.
This is only the second one I've ever been to.
And I didn't do it at Kaylee's grandfathers was they said,
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if anybody wants to the family obviously throws dirt with
shovels of dirt onto Jody's casket, right, And they said, like,
once the family was done and they were leaving, if
anybody else wants to do it, you may, And I
was like, I'm not. I can't do that. I don't
even want to see I don't even want to see
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the goddamn casket, you know what I mean, Like Jody's
in there. I can't be a part of this. And
I said, no, you know what, I should do it.
I want to be able to tell Sammy that I
did it. So I waited till everybody else was done.
Like I got in the back of the line and
like four old showed up and I was like, no,
you go ahead, and they were like, no, you go,
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and I was like, nah, I got a broken ankle,
you go. So anyway, I was the last one, and
not ceremoniously I was the last one because I didn't
know if I was going to be able to do it,
and I didn't want to get up there and freeze
and then have to turn around and go, oh, here's
a shovel by the way. Real quick, the shovel they used.
The shovel One of the things that Jody helped build
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at the Delaware Waterfront is a massive skating rink, and
her whole thing was, why should people and Philly have
to schlep up to New York to go to Rockefeller's
skating rink. Let's build one here. And so the shovels
that they used to break ground on the skating rink,
the ice skating rink they used at the service. It
was awesome. It was awesome. So anyway, I get the shovel,
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I don't know if I'm going to be able to
do it, and I took a thing of like I
jammed it into the dirt or whatever it is, and
because there was nobody behind me, I got to stand
there for a little bit. I cried like a baby,
looking down into like I can still see the casket,
but I'm looking down into the thing and I'm holding
this shovelful of dirt. I felt like I was there
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for a half hour. I was probably there for thirty seconds,
but I just cried the whole time and then dumped
the dirt onto the casket. Right, everybody should do that,
And for its was as transformative for you. It was
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this sounds horrible to say it was great, but it
was everything that I needed. And I told Sammy about it.
I was like, I've never done this before. I don't
know if this goes on it just Jewish services or
everybody's service. I have no clue, but I've never been
able to stand at the cemetery before, and I've definitely
never done the dirt. And he said, I'm glad you
did for two reasons. Number one is part of the
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Jewish faith is you do for others who can't do
for themselves. So it's very symbolic in that you're you're doing,
you're bearing somebody because they can't do it for themselves.
So there's kind of a mikfu to it, if you will,
he said. The other thing is it really gives you.
It makes it real because everything seems very surreal, like
you can't imagine. Like even Sammy and I don't think
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he would mind me saying this, is he goes into
bed at night, there's no jody. You know, he wakes
up in the morning, there's no jody. It's very surreal.
But dumping that sand or that dirt makes it very,
very real. So I've completely changed, like I don't and again,
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I don't know if that goes on at all funerals.
I will forever do that Like that was transformative for me.
It was very powerful. But man, did I love it.
I really did.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
It.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Sounds weird to say that you loved it because it's
a it is such a loss, but it was a
real powerful moment and I was I'm dripping tears down
into the hole, but it was fan. I'm so glad
that I did it. I was so glad.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
For those who are familiar with your usual stance on funerals, Oh.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I don't for you to say this. I don't even
want to go to the cemetery. I hate cemeteries.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
This is quite the endorsement of the feature of not
every program, but of some funeral programs.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It was amazing. It was amazing. And then I'll say this.
Then we went back to Sammy's house for the first
night of Shiva, and I got to spend time talking
to his kids, who I love, Like his daughter was
down here a month ago and she and I just
went and had breakfast together. Right, Nobody asked, It's just
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what you do. Like I'm close with his family, so
I got to talk to the kids, I got to
talk to him. I saw some people that haven't seen forever.
But there were so many people there saying so many
nice things about Jody. It was awesome. But then I
had to get up the next morning, so I go
back to the hotel. I get up the next morning
because I gotta get back and Nunziata squeezing me in. Right,
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here's what I learned about my broken tibia, and maybe
somebody who broke their tibia knows this. Most ankle fractures
are on your fibula, which is the small bone on
the pinky side. The tibia is on the big bone
on the big toe side. Now, doctor and Nunziata said
I was one millimeter away from needing surgery. And I said,
(31:37):
normally I go for surgery. I love surgery. He said,
you don't want it on this now. He said, breaking
the tibia is much more rare than breaking the fibula,
and it's much trickier to heal. And I was like, cool,
why and he said, you just really got a swordie
that thing and make sure that it comes back right.
(31:58):
So you always used your crutches. Well, I told him
to rip your splint. No, I told him. I was like, listen,
and he was like, did they give you, like more
than a compression sock? I was like, yeah, I threw
it out when I went to the What was I
going to do? Lie to them two at CVS? But
took it off and I drove and he said they
gave you crutches. I was like, yeah, I didn't use them.
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That I was at that funeral. And so I was
walking and walking and walking and walking and walking and
walking and walking and walking and walking and walking and walking.
But why is it tibby a break that much worse
than a a phibula break. I don't know the answer
to that. I also didn't ask now, so is that why?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Because it seems like you are actually trying to care
for yourself at this point.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I've got a cast from my toes to my knee. Yes,
I'm on a knee rover scooter. I can't drive for
a month. M Do you know how hard it is
to get without handicapped bars to get up and down
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in the toilet? Oh, didn't think about that. Yeah, even
shifting to one side to white is now a pain
in the ass.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But this is all not to help with the amount
of time it would take to heal.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
But it's to make sure it heals properly. Yes, because,
as he did say, you don't want this to not
heal properly. How does that end? I don't know, Josh.
Can you do me a favor? Can you find me
some people who've fractured their tibias? But I need them
down by the ankle like not because your tibia runs
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all the way down right By the way, I chose
the black cast. I could have gone black, blue, pink, orange,
there was something else. I went black, by the way.
Look at how disgusting my big toenail is already, Diane.
It looked like that before. Do not chuck that up
now exposure. We just don't have the advantage.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Of that embarrassing having to get the cast on. Yes,
because you have horrible feet.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Look at my big toenail coil, it looks it looks
like wood. Come, look at so many ridges. Come look
at my big toenail. Oh girl, you couldn't you got
a clipper handy? Oh I didn't that. I'm gonna go
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get a pedicure just to get them painted. Like I
can't walk around with that out anyway, Josh, do me
a favor. Will you find me some people who have
broken their ankles? I have a couple of questions. Please,
I'll even take them on the fibulous signe because that's
gonna be most of you. But people who have broken
their uh, their tibias around the ankle, I could use them, please.
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And by the way, all the people and then I
got to take a break. All the people who sent
nice messages. I really do appreciate it, I really really do.
I still can't believe Jody Milkman is not part of
us right now. But all of the messages were very,
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very nice. And again, those messages are really for the
Milkman family. But thank you for for sending them along.
And listen, Samy's been on the air with us. We've
talked about him a million times. As Sammy said, if
because I check in on him all the time, right
and have every day. Sam is good. He's just not well,
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so it's gonna take him a while, right, But he's good.
He's got a good support system around him. He's there
for his kids, he's got a ton of friends, he's
got Jody's friends, Jody's family, so he is doing good.
It's just gonna it's gonna take a while, as anybody
that has gone through this would know, But thank you
for all of the kind messages. I will certainly share
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them with Sammy. That's incredible though.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I will say this, and as it has just played
out now on the air, and it did for me
and my wife during the funeral, because of her work
on the Delaware River waterfront and Pen's Landing, whether it
be the ice skinny rink or the nears the fireworks,
this is a loss for so many and many of
those majority of the people didn't even know her. So
there are people listening right now who have either enjoyed
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some of the features or tractions that she was a spark.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You've ever watched the ironworks at the Benjamin Franklin Bridge,
That's all Jodie. And so that was telling it with
my wife and these stories being told, I was like, oh,
my goodness, like this person was part of my life
and I didn't even realize it. Yeah, and she, I
can't even say, was just such a great person, a great,
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great person who, as Sam said, she met a guy
named Sam with a funny last name. By God, the
two of them, the two of them hit it off
and for thirty years and three kids later, had a
remarkable family that I thrilled to have been a part
of and will continue to be. But I just it's
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it's surreal, it really is. Anyway, give me some broken ankles, please,
I'm gonna take a quick break though. Yeah. So eight
six six to Elliot eight six six two three five
five four six eight connect with Elliot in the morning.
Eight sixty six two Elliot eight sixty six two three
five five four six eight Elliots in the morning. You
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broke your ankle. I did.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Actually, I raised motocross and this is about twenty years ago.
I broke my tibula, fibula, and I broke my growth
plate in my ankle too.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Okay, So there's the tibia, not tibula, the tibia, the fibula.
I don't know nothing about. No growth plate. The was
the was the tibia worse than the fibula.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
They were both about the same, But yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It was painful, man.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
I'll definitely definitely agree with that for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah it is. No And you know that's the other thing.
And maybe maybe he'd like, why am I not on
any pain killers? Like I feel like I should be
on all kinds of opioids?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Are you saw on that twosound? All for Adville regiment?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Well, if I want to, but I didn't do it
this morning because I didn't want to be loopy, So
I don't. I mean, I guess I can still take it,
but yeah, like I'm not on can you ask for
more for something? I feel like it's awkward to text
him and go, hey, do you mind giving me some percoset?
Like that just seems odd. But I'll tell you what.
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I'm on medication.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
I haven't take it else you'll have a bad stomach exactly.
Oh you know the other thing that I have to
do I have to take. I have to take an
aspirin to prevent blood clots. Oh good, Hey, let me
ask you this.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
How long did it take for you to be able
to get back after it?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:07):
So I was at a cast for about two months.
They did two different casts. So the first four weeks
full cast crutches, then they took it off, re examined
everything X rated, and then they recasted it in. Said
I have about two more weeks until I can start
walking on a.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Boot, and uh, yeah, that boot went.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
On the day I left that appointment and started walking then,
so I definitely pushed it a little too soon.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
But motocrossers we gotta have.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
That, you know, you gotta do what you gotta do.
I get it, Yeah, exactly, I get it. The I
don't think. I don't think I'll be back on the
ice this season. I don't depend. Maybe if we have
a long playoff run, which is two weeks. The no, no, no,
But he did say so like I have to go
back in a week and a half, because he was
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again he is so stressing. You want to make sure
that it heals right. Yeah, he's like that. That tibbya
is real tricky. But he said the same thing. You're
looking at probably four to six in a cast and
then a boot after that. But I really want to
be able to drive in a What I really like
to be able to do is like not have to
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put this massive bag on my leg to shower in
a boot? Can you drive? Oh god, damn it. Take
a sip, Jersey, Mike's of the tube. I think you
could take it off. Just take a sip. Okay, I'm
broken up, Okay, never mind.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But again, there's maturity and growth for you you did
not use the crutches when you're supposed to, but you
did take a sip.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You're turning very rad Yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying to
get it to go down. It's not nope, well i'm talking.
I'm not talking the himelike. No, I'm good, I'm good.
Where am I going? You're still not fine? I will be?
It's fine. Hi Ellie at the morning. Yeah, Hi, who's that?
Speaker 4 (41:21):
My name is Jamar?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Hey, Jamar? Did you break your ankle? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I actually broke it in three different ways, so maybe I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Actually sounds like you're a baby. Yeah, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
So I fractured my fibula, broke the bottom half of
my tibia, which is the medio mala I can't pronounce
that word right, and the tissue that's in between the tibulaphibula.
When I broke it, it's separated a bit. So they
also have a wire in my ankle to keep that
pull together. So is it is it.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Is it easier to repair the phibi look because it's smaller, well.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
With my with my tibula, it was a was screwing it.
The fibula was kind of fractured, so but that took
like almost it felt like it took longer to heal
because it was nothing to support it. So every step
I felt like pain from my calf and my calf
all the way up to my knee.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Oh interesting, interesting, I will say this man, it is.
It is pretty painful. So when you like, if you
just even go to adjust your ankle, holy crap, man,
that thing hurts. And by the way, adjusting your ankle
is just moving your whole leg like I can't bend
or move my ankle. Yes. Time.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So a lot of people are writing that the tibia
is weight bearing. Oh that makes sense, and why Oh
that makes total sense.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Man. A lot of people have messed up their ankles. Okay,
that looks painful, like could you on your extra that's
a fibula and that's a full break you see.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Once they decided it was broken, after the radiologist came
in the morning, a knife had an orthopedic office look
at it as well.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Have you had another chance to see the imaging? Oh? Yeah?
Is it? Is it not to an untrained eye? Is
it not obvious?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Because some of these pictures people are sending our.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
That is a full fracture of a fibula. You could
see bone break bone. I didn't break my my tibia
in half, but yes, you can see the crack, so
it looks like it. So it's not. It's not a
full like where the bone breaks in half. Think of
the Liberty bell. It's the crack that runs up it. Yeah,
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that's what I have. I have a crack.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
I too.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Now let me go to line seven. Hi Ellie in
the morning. Yeah, Hi, who's this? Hey?
Speaker 6 (43:50):
This is Dan for Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
What's going on? Dude? What'd you break? Hey?
Speaker 6 (43:55):
So I had a similar to the other callers, a
tib ship break a handful of years ago playing flag football. Surprisingly,
and yeah, I had a cast up to my groin
for about nine months and then we'll get.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Nine months. You've got it pretty good? Yeah, no, this
is good. Hey did you use the knee rover once
they got you out of the full leg?
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Uh? Yeah, I used my crutches, so I'll tell you
to uh to use that, but get the one month
appointment or the kind of that. That next follow up,
they decided that for it to heal more properly that
they h for for surgery, that they had to rebreak
it in another area. So I would tell you to
definitely use those crutches.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
By the way, that's my big fear, thank you sir.
Like I don't care if I get surgery, like I
really don't. My fear is that it doesn't heal and
then I get surgery, Like now we're just back in
time up.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
But this is why you are always a proponent of surgery,
because you think it expedites the recovery.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, if we're going to end up there, let's just
do it.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
So that would be for you the worst case scenario
where it's like now I have to get surgery right
now and in my cast for six weeks.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Because I even said to a Nunziana like he was like,
you know, one more millimeter and we'd be like literally
you'd be in surgery and I was like, let's do it.
He's like, you do not want to do that. I
was like, no, no, no, but I really do. And
then he's the doctor, so there was no reason to
do it. Did he remind you of that the yes, yeah,
in so many words, but yes. But I saw on
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Google and he was like, I know it's your right leg,
and I know you want to drive, and I know
you want to do all that. But we are going
to go knee to toes to protect you from you
because you don't want to mess this upright?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Are you gonna have to put in sucks one of
those chairs on your staircase?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
No, but that's not what I thought you were going
to say, Like flow from gremlin. Jackie asked if I
wanted to put a chair in the shower like a bench, Yes,
I sick right. No, do you have the ability to
sort of prop it up on something?
Speaker 7 (46:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I have. I'm telling you know what they make. They
make cast covers. Yeah you said that. Yeah, so I
just pull that thing on. It's very hard. But then
I just stand in the shower. You know, it's easy.
A stair left, you can temporarily, no gremlins. You go
Costanza for that. Yeah, my baby, and then he goes
up the stairs. That's not temporary. You got to bring
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it a whole construction crew to do that. I understand.
I also broke the shower door. I knocked it off.
It's uh off, it's what do you call it? It's
track first.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And that's why she thinks you need a chair.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
She was like, do you want to bench in the showers? Like, no,
I'm not nine hundred and I'm not married to Kristin
vanden Hougen Doug. Okay, could you do a temporary low entry?
I don't even know that.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, now that you've broken the door of the shower,
can you get it renovated so that you don't have
to step over anything?
Speaker 1 (47:06):
You want to go bathfitters and see if they could
come in.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I don't know a company you're gonna use, but somebody
Hi Elliot in the morning.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Hi Elliott?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, Hi, who's ass right?
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Missus?
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Liz?
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I was calling you because I've been having a rough time.
I broke my ankle in two places last year of
vulsion fractures, and then this year I was diagnosed with DVT,
which is a blood clot and the right leg, and
then I got a torn maniscus in my right leg.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Well that's the other thing I wanted to ask a nunziata,
like do I have to worry about? Like did I
tear anything else in there? But it doesn't seem like it.
I mean, listen, that's what the guy does for a living.
He would know he saw the fracture and that's it.
We're good to go. Yeah. So we're yeah, we're fine. Hey,
were the blood clots because of being in the cast?
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They told me, like, you want to take an aspirin.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, no, the blood clot was dude, I was taking
a warmone pill for menopause and apparently I don't. Yes,
the rest of all calls his blood clots. It can
cause blood clots.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh yeah, I'm good there, all right, very good, Thank you, ma'am. Wait, hey,
did the ankle heel? Yeah, okay, very good. That's the
other thing. I need this to heal properly, right to
avoid that surgery. Yeah, well no, not just to avoid
the surgery, but just so I can go do stuff again.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
And for those that join late who are asking again,
this has nothing to do with his knee.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Oh no, the knee. It's sort of the My left
knee is totally forgotten in all of this. Is it's
my right ankle that's now broke. He still has the
knee issue, right, but it's not even the same leg.
It's not like this knee issue led to a weakened ankle.
Now you'll never hear me. Will maybe I will have
to put the copper sleeve back on that left knee hurt.
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The like Angel Reese with your legs. Hi Elliott the morning.
Hey Elliott, Yes, sir, how are you good? How are
you good? What can I do for you?
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
So let's Colin.
Speaker 8 (49:23):
I actually just sent you guys a picture recently. My
wife broke her kid and fib three months ago.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
You know what's crazy the number the number of people
that break their and And Nunziata told me that. He's like, yeah, listen, people,
it's so common when when when you break down by
your ankles, it's always the fibula because it's the smaller,
weaker bone and it's on the outside. He said, it's odd,
or it's not odd, but it's less common to break
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your tibia and not your fibula. What was she doing? Yeah,
what how did your wife snap hers? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (49:58):
So she was visiting her brother and he has some
steps that were like uneven, like the depths between some steps,
and she she missed up. She actually springed her right
ankle and then landed on her left leg and her
left ankle in both bones.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
So that was just for three days later.
Speaker 8 (50:15):
They wanted her to wait a week, but we went
to a second ortho and got her and they got
her in the next day after.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
We saw them. Hey, how long how long before she
was back like jumping around?
Speaker 8 (50:26):
Yeah, so she the knee scooter was a lifesaver.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
You. That thing is awesome, Thank you. She was. You
feel about you feel like you're older than God when
you're like wheeling yourself around. But I'm telling you, it
is a thousand times better than crutches. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (50:44):
She was on the knee scooter for about four weeks
or so, and then they got her on a walking
boot with crutches. She was doing that for about three
weeks or so, and then she was weight bearing in
the walking boot. And now she's, you know, three months later,
she's walking fully.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
But she's still going to tt God damn it. Stairs
for the hardest thing.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
We had a three We have a three level townhouse,
so we had to go state at the mother in
laws for six weeks because she's got on one level
because my wife just she could not do stairs with
that with that broken ankle.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Oh, I haven't even attempted to try the stairs yet,
Like I can't go upstairs, Like I just keep telling
Jackie bring me down underwear. So you're sleeping on the
floor on an air mattress. The yeah, I'm on an
air mattress in the living room, which is awesome though,
because now I can watch TV all night. But I'm
like Jack, bring down Tyler. I'm not getting the seat
that goes upstairs. Survey only takes an hour.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
It's a free, no obligation quotes, and we can get
installed by the end of this week.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
But yeah, no, I will.
Speaker 8 (51:44):
Say the shower chair is a life saver. The shower
chair and getting getting railed to go for the toilet
to help yourself get up, those things are game changers
for sure.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I will say this. I do keep one crutch in
the bathroom so I can get up and down. Now here,
I just use the handicaps ball they built those bars in.
But you're telling me I should get the shower seat.
Speaker 8 (52:05):
Yeah, I mean, look, my wife had she broke She
broke the one ankle, but she also sprained the other
ankle pretty bad. She couldn't really stand up to support,
you know, on just one leg. But I guess it's
just your comforability. But I know the shower chair was
definitely a game changer, but I think were more important.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Really put my balls up against that like balls of wood,
all right, very good, very good, Thank you sir.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yes, Tyler, I wouldn't overlook turning your home into a bungalow.
These stair lifts help you master for three hours, regaining
your independence, retaining full use of your home, and remaining
in the home you loved.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
You don't want you to lose your home a place. Also,
no structural changes to the house. See how do they
install a way conveniently for your able bodied wife. I
do think they should have younger people on the website.
(53:08):
I mean this guy, he's a little older than Elliott.
Oh my god, it's a minimum of a month in
this goddamn cast, minimum of a month. Oh, it's gonna
take forever. There's Jackie, my dear, see you tomorrow. I'm
not even eating and I'm joking, all right, gonna I'm
(53:30):
gonna at least sign up for the brochure. Yes,
So I've mentioned Sam Milkman million times one of my
best friends. I met Sam when I worked in Philadelphia,
and Sam's from Philly, and so when I when after
I got fired in Los Angeles, I moved to Philly.
I met Sam literally the day that I landed in Philly,
and Lander had already gotten there and told Sam, my
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friend of mine, Elliott, who I used to work with,
he's coming. You two will be best friends, and he
was John was one hundred percent right, and I from
that day forward, I've probably talked to Sam one hundred
times a day. Sam's wife is Jody, and they met
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when Jody came to the radio station to do and
Jody was doing an informational interview which I had never
heard of, for just she was fresh out of college
out of Boston University, and she's also from Philly. She's
a Philly kid and had come to the radio station
to do an informational interview and ended up with Sam
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doing the interview with him. And from that point on
those two were inseparable, and Jody actually ended up working
at the radio station for a little bit. She came
in just do an informational interview. We happened to be
looking for some people. She ended up working there, and
the three of us, myself, Sam and Jody were inseparable
(01:28):
the entire time. A lot of people thought Jody and
I were dating because the three of us were out
together all the time. That's funny now, as it turns out,
Sam and Jody were dating, but they didn't want to
tell everybody, so we just went with everybody thinking that
Jody and I were dating. Right, So if we were
going out to lunch, it was the three of us
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on the weekends, and Sam and I lived in the
same apartment building, so the three of us were together
all the time. Well, about a year and a half ago,
Jody was diagnosed with cancer and for the last year
and a half has fought like hell and it is
you don't want and some that, and anyway, the reason
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we were out is we had to bury Jody over
the weekend. Unfortunately, It's horrible. It is horrible, Like I
can't imagine Sam without Jody, right. I love that I'm
so close and friendly with with their kids. They have
three kids. Obviously, I'm very close with with Sam, Jody's parents,
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Jody's sister, very close with with everybody, and so the
the number of people that showed up for the funeral.
All three kids spoke, Sam spoke, the rabbi was was great,
like it's awesome. And Jody's job was she worked she
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worked for the city for a long time for the
City of Philadelphia, but she ran the waterfront in and
built up the water the Delaware River waterfront in Philly.
So if you've ever been to Philly and all along
the Delaware River on the Philly side, not on the
Jersey side, but on the Philly side, there's a skating rink.
They host concerts all the time. There's events NonStop that
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take place there. That's all Jody and her team of
people that that have worked there and kind of built
that up. And it's it is. It is such a
part of Philly. That and that was all Jody and
her her her co workers for years and years and
years building everything up. So it was great. All the
stories were awesome. The two things though, that first of all,
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I did something that I've never done before at a
at a funeral what's that? So the the they had
the funeral service at a at a funeral home, right,
and and again it was great. I don't know how
the kids. I don't know how Sam could stand up there,
and I mean, you try to put yourself in people's shoes, right,
(04:11):
and listen, I've known Jody's been sick for the better
part of two years, right, And it's really the first time,
other than my dad, of going through diagnosis to death
with somebody, And listen, I didn't have the I wasn't
obviously as old or the life experience when my dad died.
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I was young. I was twenty one to be able
to do it as an adult and somebody who has kids,
who and this is a couple that I've known, their
whole existence together, literally the day they met, I was there.
So this is really like the first time that I've
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walked down that road with somebody. It's it's gut wrenching.
It is gut wrenching, and I can't I was saying
to Sam, like I struggled to reconcile. I can reconcile
(05:16):
Jody passing. I hate it. I hate everything about it,
But I can't reconcile her not being with Sam and
their kids, Like I can't. I that's not real life
to me yet. And it was gut wrenching. I don't
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like the phrase that somebody and this just doesn't pertain
to Jody. I don't like the phrase that somebody lost
a fight or a battle with cancer. I don't know.
I don't know how that phrase can change or what
needs to happen. I hate that. But people also.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Don't want you, during somebody's illness to refer to it
as a fight.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, it is, it is. I I don't know. I
don't know how that changes. I don't know. I don't
know what you change it to. But to say Jody
lost is wraw Jody. I mean, if anything, Jody kicked
that things asked for a year and a half. I
don't like. I don't I don't like. And and again,
(06:27):
this this isn't just Jody, this is anybody who's had
to bury anyone because of it. I don't know how
you change I don't know what that becomes to. But
I don't like the phrase so and so lost their
battle with cancer, right because if it's a fight, Jody crushed,
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she crushed it, and I don't she didn't lose. And again,
any anybody that's buried their wife, their husband, their their dad,
a kid, if it was through cancer, no you didn't lose.
(07:11):
So I hate that. I hate that, and I don't
know what it becomes, and I don't know what you're
supposed to say, but I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Journey is one way people are trying to change the vernacular,
the cancer journey, right.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And by the way, you know how I've always said, I,
when I go, it's going to be a heart attack. God,
I hope. So watching quick Man, watching watching and this
has been a year and a half watching what that's
been like, not just for the family, but also for Jodie.
(07:52):
Oh my god, Oh my god. And when my dad
was sick, he was he was states away, but oh
my god, just horrific, horrific. But here's the other thing.
It's totally changed my mind. So the quick scenario is,
(08:15):
so on Friday, right before we got off and listen,
Tyler and Diane know that she's been very sick. So
right before we did dirt, and I was checking my
phone all day on Friday because we knew time was
running out. So I'd been checking my phone all day,
and right before dirt, Sammy sent me a text and
just said, hey, Jody passed. So we did dirt and
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I knew they're Jewish, so I knew that the services
would be coming up very quickly, but I also knew
that I would have a little bit of time. So
we went to Richmond and everybody was great. Everybody's like, listen,
if you don't want to go, it's like, no, I
need to go, Like I need to do that. I
need to go have fun. And as it turns out,
it was awesome. It was great, and I'm glad I went.
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I a little bit of a daze driving down there
and just thinking about it and talking to Sammy and stuff.
But anyway, so that was Friday morning. When did the
event came back Saturday? And I was still waiting to
hear when everything was and I found out I think
it was it may have even been Friday night at
Glory Days that I found out the service was going
to be on Sunday, right, So I came back, went
(09:21):
to the Sow Kids Can event, which was great. The
Sow Kids Can event was awesome. Nicholas was great. By
the way, you know what's really awesome, Ted's Sweet Club.
The suite is awesome. This weet And by the way,
my popcorn comes in a box in the club, even
it's in a box they have popcorn in the owner's suite.
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That's like an avase. I took a picture of it.
I said it to Tyler. Yeah, you sent me like
two photos and that was one. Yeah, because you could
see the popcorn shot the vase of the popcorn, but
you could see my seeds, which I am going to
be losing behind it. But then you take the elevator down, dude,
there is a full bar down there. There's like there's there.
(10:06):
They had a buffet setup and you know what, you
know what we had for lunch, steak and fish. I
also had I bade myself a salad. Like I'm grieving
at this point, right so I'm even like crazy. They
have an ice cream bar, they had a candy bar.
One of the winners was going to bring their kids,
but they ended up not being able to. They had
made like chicken tenders and stuff for the kids, mac
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and cheese. I ate that also. The didn't want it
to go to waste, like a full bar like and
that's just that's Ted's, that's Ted's. I asked Nicholas, have
you ever been called down here for dinner? And he's like, nope,
never been in here. So anyway, did so kids can
on on Saturday afternoon. Right, did not stay for the
(10:52):
game because I knew I had to get back and
pack to go down to Philly on Sunday morning. So
my plan was get home, get everything packed up, obviously,
reach out to Sam and say, you know, do you
need anything? Can I do anything? What needs to happen?
And you know, he's, you know, he's in the middle of,
(11:13):
you know, trying to figure out what to do. You know,
he's putting plans together. There's there's all kinds of what's
going on in that house. And and again, anybody that's
been through it knows exactly what I'm talking about. And Jody,
Jody was at home, you know, and it was very sick.
So there's like fake bathrooms, all kinds of stuff. So
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I'm calling Sam, like do you need anything? Can I
do anything? Like what needs to get done? So anyway,
all that is going on, So I'm like, Okay, the
service is going to be on Sunday at you know,
early in the afternoon. I'll sleep here in DC and
then I'll go down to Philly on Sunday morning, or
I guess up to Philly on Sunday morning. I'll get
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in the car and I'll go great plan, right, Everything's good.
That way, I don't have to worry about the dogs.
Jackie is in Knoxville at the time, with with with
Dylan hanging out at in Tennessee. So we were like,
that way I can leave by the time I could,
you know, put the dogs in their kennels. By the
time Jackie gets home, it's fine. Jackie's miserable because she
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feels horrible that she's not going down there with Sammy.
We get through all of that. So it gets to
be Sunday, late afternoon, and I said to myself, you
know what Saturday? Course, Yeah, Saturday, late afternoon. So I
says to myself, Elliott, you know what I'm donepacking, I've
gotten everything together. I'm gonna go play my old man
(12:44):
hockey game. It'll get my mind off of Jody's passing.
It's something I enjoy. I don't. I'm I'm very sad,
but it'll get my mind off of it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So we get out there and we're playing and everything's fine,
and we get like into late into the second period
and goddamn, in the middle of a play, Mike Deitsch Deichi,
who's on my old man team. He comes across the middle,
he ends up getting bumped over. He collides into me.
The two of us go down, okay, and that's when
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I broke my ankle. Did you know it was bad immediately?
You know what? Yes? And no. So it hurt when
I went down, But I'm wearing skates, so like, skates
are firm around your ankle, right, So skates are firm
around your ankle, and I could feel that it hurts
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a little bit, but I'm all right now. I believe
the goalie on the other team. So when Dichi and
I collide, our legs are intertwined, our sticks are intertwined.
I think the goalie may have been trying to offer
help and say that his stick was underneath me and
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in my my my shorts and is hitting my d
What I hear in my head where he is is
him yelling you're a d So I'm laying on the ground,
my ankle hurts, and I'm screaming at him, go after yourself.
But and I but but I'm realizing my ankle hurts
and I can't just jump up. But I'm screaming at him,
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F you go after yourself, because I'm like, why are
you calling me a dick? I'm laying on the ice.
So anyway, I get up, skate to the bench. Keep
in mind that was in the second period, played the
rest of the game. God damnit. Elliott played the rest
of the game because I've got tight skates on. So
you were in pain, but you're hurt, but it wasn't pain.
(14:43):
That's the difference to thank you. If you're hurt, you play.
If you're injured, you don't. Especially in a very important,
very important dan we were playing team Gray. We were
playing Team Gray. The history between oh, black and Gray,
Black and Gray, it's it's it's as old as Time're.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So close sometimes in certain light you can't even make
the two out.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Absolutely, And it was a two to one game, like
it's close, it's close. Historically that would be expected. So anyway,
we finished the game. We still lose to to one.
We finished the we lost, we lost. We that's that's
neither here nor there. I did say to the goalie
skating by, because I had time to think about it.
I was like, hey, man, you're cool, it's fine. The
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sorry I misunderstood you. I didn't apologize for anything but
the So anyway, and I'm hobbling a little bit. We
get into the locker room and I take my skate off,
and then it starts to hurt. So now I hobble
out to the car and I'm just thinking like, oh,
I just twisted my ankle up. So I hobble out
to the car. I walk out with Biggsy and I
hobble out to the car, throw my gear in there.
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I drive home. I get to the house. That keep
in mind there's nobody else home, right. I get inside
and I'm like, sweet, my ankle is starting to hurt
more and more. But I'll just relax. I'll feel better
in the morning and I'll get up and I'll drive
to Philly. I wake up at three o'clock in the morning,
right time change, so it's really two or whatever it is.
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And I get up to take a piss because I
drank a lot of water during the game. I get
up to take a piss. I can't walk to the bathroom.
Did your foot just like collapse underneath you? It was
so freaking painful. Did you fall the No, But I
was holding myself up against the bed and I'm trying
to walk in every step is just throbbing. And so
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in my head, I'm like, I have to rule out
that it's broken to go to If I have a
broken leg, I can't drive to Philly. So I hop
downstairs and it is so freaking painful, and I'm chasing
two dogs around trying to get them into their kennels
so I can go to I'm gonna take myself to
the emergency room. So I get in the car broken
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right ankle. Well, at this point I think, just hurt
right ankle, yeah, and I drive to the emergency room.
I get in the emergency room, thank god. When I
pulled up, they brought a wheelchair out and wheeled me
in because I'm hobbling to get inside. So they bring
a wheelchair out, They take me in. They did X
rays there. They did say that the room. They were like, hey, listen,
it's going to be loud. There's somebody critical on the
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way in. They're going to be in the room right
across from you. And I'm like, oh, please close the sheet,
Please close the sheet. That person never showed up, so
I don't know if they didn't, but like all the
commotion went away. Fortunate that it wasn't packed too. They
took me right back. Yeah. They took me right back
because I told my ankle hurts and something with my heart. Ye.
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So anyway, I go back in. They come out great people, right,
So they have like this mobile X ray thing. They
take X rays of my ankle sitting in the emergency
room in my little bed. Yeah, Like they don't take
me to where the X ray machine machine is. So anyway,
I'm sitting in there and they come back in and
they're like, now you know what we don't. It's not broken.
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It must just be a really bad sprain. They splint
it and they give me crutches, and they said, we
recommend that you go see your orthopedist because if not,
like leave the splint on and then they would. They
told me like take two AD two tile and all
three to four advill together and that'll help manage the pain.
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I was like awesome, So and they so now I
have a massive splint on my leg. They said, how'd
you get here? I was like, I drove. I was like,
I live two blocks from here. It's four o'clock in
the morning. I'm going to drive home. And the nurse
she was great, She's like, I'm not judging you'd do
what you gotta do. So I drove home. It was
so freaking painful, but at least in my head, I
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know I don't have a broken ankle. I'll deal with
the spring. So I ripped the splint off. I get
up Sunday morning. I can't drive with the splint as.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You were able to drive with it on for the
sup blocks. Yeah, you're just saying you can't drive to
Philly with it, so you can't do it long.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I can't do anything with it on. Like I left
the car roll to the house. There's no traffic, So
I get home. I slept with the splint on. I
woke up Sunday morning. I ripped the splint off. I
stopped at CVS and got another compressed copper fiber compression sleeve,
but this one's for my ankle. I bought two of
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them so it would be tight. I shoved a shoe
on metal Man, and I drove to Philly. Is it
throbbing the whole time? Unbelievably painful, But in the back
of my head, I'm like, thank God, my ankle's not broken,
and I'm not missing Jody's funeral, right like, I'm not
missing it. I drive, I get to the hotel in
Consha Hawkein which is just outside of Philly, and I
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check in and they were very kind. They said, hey,
you know, it looks like you're hurt, just go ahead
and park in the handicap lane. I was like, God, bless.
So I park in the handicap lane and I'm trying,
and I like it is. And I have crutches because
they gave them to me at the er, so I'm
crutching and crutching and crutching. They carried thank god, they
carried my suit up into the into my room for me,
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and so at the at they're very nice people, just
the Marriott or whatever. So anyway I get in there,
I'm going downstairs because there's a wah wah across the
street and I'm starving. So I was like, I'm going
to hobble my ass because it's easier to hobble than
it is to drive. And I at this point, I've
also ditched the crutches, so you're like hopping. I'm walking
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on it in the very paint like I'm limping, but
I'm just walking on it because I also don't want
to I don't want to crutch my way through the
funeral as I would have done you well, yes. As
I come down the elevator, the phone rings. I answered
the phone. I don't recognize the number, but I was like, nah, crap,
I'll answer it. I don't know why I did, but
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I did. And the woman goes, hey, this is so
and so at Virginia Hospital Center. I know you were
in a and you had X rays in the morning.
Radiologists go over all of the X rays just to
make sure that everything was fine. That not that the
people who did their job overnight, but like, now we
have time. It's not a pac dr like I hate
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to tell you, mister Siegel, but yes, you have a
you have a fracture in your ankle. I was like okay.
I was like, well, you know what, that makes sense.
It hurts like hell. And she's like can you come back?
And I was like no, I'm in Philly and she
said I'm sorry and I said, yeah, I drove to Philly.
I'm going to a funeral. She's like, how'd you get there?
And I was like I drove. She said, didn't they
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put you in a splint? And I was like, yeah,
I took that off. She's like, please call your orthopedics person.
So anyway I get through. I didn't go to I
didn't go to wah Wah across the street. Out of
the little snack thing, I got an extra large bag
of barbecue lace. Goodness, so I hate the potato chefs.
Thank goodness for the details. The story would be nothing
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with that detail. So anyway, I called and I've mentioned
it before doctor Nunziata, right. So now it's Sunday, so
I'm texting him like, hey, listen, I know you're busy
with another job that you have. Text me right back
and was like, listen, have them send the information, come
back and see me on Monday. You broke your tibia,
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not your what's the other one, fibula? Yeah, the fibula
is the smaller bone on the outside, which is your pinky.
The tibia is the bigger bone on the inside. Anyway,
I walked all the way through the funeral. I walked
through the cemetery.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Can I say this though? Beg as I did. I
was watching the funeral online right and you could see
when everyone was exiting and Elliott, who again was refusing
to use his crutches, dragged his flat.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I texted him immediately. I wanted to come on the
beautiful tribute to the ceremony, But I said, what are
where are your crutches? Like a concerned mother, because you
had an older gentleman sitting next to you, Yes, who,
by the way, could not have been more man spread
during the service. I like it that guy was already
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in the aisle making his way out. The old guy
Elliott was not halfway through the row. Wasn't the pew.
You're just dragging your foot behind and you have no
idea how painful this thing is. And I can't walk
on it. It hurts to walk on walk and have crutches.
They were in the car. They were in the car.
She didn't want to make a scene. I don't want
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to crutch my way through the thing. I just got
to get to the pew.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Can you will you tell her the beautiful little irony
of you being hobbled at the funeral?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh? So I called Sam to tell him that I
had a broken ankle, right, and that I was going
to be hobbling. So the so I called Sam and
again there in the middle of everything, right, and this
is before the funeral started. But at this point I
already know my ankle's broken. I can't really walk like
I'm gonna schlep my broken leg behind me. And so
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I called Sammy and he answered the phone. I was like, hey, Sammy.
I was like, do you remember you and Jody's wedding day?
Which may have been the wrong thing to say, of
course he does. I was like, but do you remember
at your wedding I hobbled down the aisle because it
was when my loopis was at its worst, and I like,
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I was in tennis shoes, like I couldn't like I
was hobbling, And so I was like, I'm going to
be that guy again at the funeral. I have a
broken ankle and I'm going to hobble my way down.
And Sam goes, oh my god, that's awesome because everybody's
gonna think you've been battling loopis for thirty years. People
who haven't seen you, they'll think, oh my god, this
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guy's this guy's a real fighter. By the way, here's
what I love about the Sam's sense of humor is
so obviously there's the hearse and then the car that
the family's in. Sam's texting me from the car, Hey,
pull up fast behind the hearse. You'll get better parking,
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like he won't stop anyway. Can I say one other
thing about the funeral? And I said that that and
then I'll get back to the tiva in a second.
So I don't like. I don't like somebody losing their
fight to cancer. That's got to change. That's got to change.
The other thing is, and I've totally switched. I hate
going to funerals. I do, everybody does. And I hate
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going to the cemetery. I've only been in one other
like where like cemetery where you're around the body that
was Kaylee's grandfather. Right, What was I gonna do? Tell Sam,
I'm gonna sit in the car. No, I'm going to
the where the where the the body is the grave side? Yeah.
Two things number one and and I don't remember this
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from Kaylee's grandfather. The sound of that body being lowered
into like on the whatever the machine is, Oh my god,
that is. You don't forget that sound. But they went
through and they said, and I don't know if this
is a Jewish thing or if this isn't everything thing.
This is only the second one I've ever been to.
And I didn't do it at Kaylee's grandfathers was they said,
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if anybody wants to the family obviously throws dirt with
shovels of dirt onto Jody's casket, right, And they said, like,
once the family was done and they were leaving, if
anybody else wants to do it, you may, And I
was like, I'm not. I can't do that. I don't
even want to see I don't even want to see
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the goddamn casket, you know what I mean, Like Jody's
in there. I can't be a part of this. And
I said, no, you know what, I should do it.
I want to be able to tell Sammy that I
did it. So I waited till everybody else was done.
Like I got in the back of the line and
like four old showed up and I was like, no,
you go ahead, and they were like, no, you go,
(27:03):
and I was like, nah, I got a broken ankle,
you go. So anyway, I was the last one, and
not ceremoniously I was the last one because I didn't
know if I was going to be able to do it,
and I didn't want to get up there and freeze
and then have to turn around and go, oh, here's
a shovel by the way. Real quick, the shovel they used.
The shovel One of the things that Jody helped build
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at the Delaware Waterfront is a massive skating rink, and
her whole thing was, why should people and Philly have
to schlep up to New York to go to Rockefeller's
skating rink. Let's build one here. And so the shovels
that they used to break ground on the skating rink,
the ice skating rink they used at the service. It
was awesome. It was awesome. So anyway, I get the shovel,
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I don't know if I'm going to be able to
do it, and I took a thing of like I
jammed it into the dirt or whatever it is, and
because there was nobody behind me, I got to stand
there for a little bit. I cried like a baby,
looking down into like I can still see the casket,
but I'm looking down into the thing and I'm holding
this shovelful of dirt. I felt like I was there
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for a half hour. I was probably there for thirty seconds,
but I just cried the whole time and then dumped
the dirt onto the casket. Right, everybody should do that,
And for its was as transformative for you. It was
(28:30):
this sounds horrible to say it was great, but it
was everything that I needed. And I told Sammy about it.
I was like, I've never done this before. I don't
know if this goes on it just Jewish services or
everybody's service. I have no clue, but I've never been
able to stand at the cemetery before, and I've definitely
never done the dirt. And he said, I'm glad you
did for two reasons. Number one is part of the
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Jewish faith is you do for others who can't do
for themselves. So it's very symbolic in that you're you're doing,
you're bearing somebody because they can't do it for themselves.
So there's kind of a mikfu to it, if you will,
he said. The other thing is it really gives you.
It makes it real because everything seems very surreal, like
you can't imagine. Like even Sammy and I don't think
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he would mind me saying this, is he goes into
bed at night, there's no jody. You know, he wakes
up in the morning, there's no jody. It's very surreal.
But dumping that sand or that dirt makes it very,
very real. So I've completely changed, like I don't and again,
(29:37):
I don't know if that goes on at all funerals.
I will forever do that Like that was transformative for me.
It was very powerful. But man, did I love it.
I really did.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
It.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Sounds weird to say that you loved it because it's
a it is such a loss, but it was a
real powerful moment and I was I'm dripping tears down
into the hole, but it was fan. I'm so glad
that I did it. I was so glad.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
For those who are familiar with your usual stance on funerals, Oh.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I don't for you to say this. I don't even
want to go to the cemetery. I hate cemeteries.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
This is quite the endorsement of the feature of not
every program, but of some funeral programs.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It was amazing. It was amazing. And then I'll say this.
Then we went back to Sammy's house for the first
night of Shiva, and I got to spend time talking
to his kids, who I love, Like his daughter was
down here a month ago and she and I just
went and had breakfast together. Right, Nobody asked, It's just
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what you do. Like I'm close with his family, so
I got to talk to the kids, I got to
talk to him. I saw some people that haven't seen forever.
But there were so many people there saying so many
nice things about Jody. It was awesome. But then I
had to get up the next morning, so I go
back to the hotel. I get up the next morning
because I gotta get back and Nunziata squeezing me in. Right,
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here's what I learned about my broken tibia, and maybe
somebody who broke their tibia knows this. Most ankle fractures
are on your fibula, which is the small bone on
the pinky side. The tibia is on the big bone
on the big toe side. Now, doctor and Nunziata said
I was one millimeter away from needing surgery. And I said,
(31:37):
normally I go for surgery. I love surgery. He said,
you don't want it on this now. He said, breaking
the tibia is much more rare than breaking the fibula,
and it's much trickier to heal. And I was like, cool,
why and he said, you just really got a swordie
that thing and make sure that it comes back right.
(31:58):
So you always used your crutches. Well, I told him
to rip your splint. No, I told him. I was like, listen,
and he was like, did they give you, like more
than a compression sock? I was like, yeah, I threw
it out when I went to the What was I
going to do? Lie to them two at CVS? But
took it off and I drove and he said they
gave you crutches. I was like, yeah, I didn't use them.
(32:19):
That I was at that funeral. And so I was
walking and walking and walking and walking and walking and
walking and walking and walking and walking and walking and walking.
But why is it tibby a break that much worse
than a a phibula break. I don't know the answer
to that. I also didn't ask now, so is that why?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Because it seems like you are actually trying to care
for yourself at this point.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I've got a cast from my toes to my knee. Yes,
I'm on a knee rover scooter. I can't drive for
a month. M Do you know how hard it is
to get without handicapped bars to get up and down
(33:06):
in the toilet? Oh, didn't think about that. Yeah, even
shifting to one side to white is now a pain
in the ass.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
But this is all not to help with the amount
of time it would take to heal.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
But it's to make sure it heals properly. Yes, because,
as he did say, you don't want this to not
heal properly. How does that end? I don't know, Josh.
Can you do me a favor? Can you find me
some people who've fractured their tibias? But I need them
down by the ankle like not because your tibia runs
(33:48):
all the way down right By the way, I chose
the black cast. I could have gone black, blue, pink, orange,
there was something else. I went black, by the way.
Look at how disgusting my big toenail is already, Diane.
It looked like that before. Do not chuck that up
now exposure. We just don't have the advantage.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Of that embarrassing having to get the cast on. Yes,
because you have horrible feet.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Look at my big toenail coil, it looks it looks
like wood. Come, look at so many ridges. Come look
at my big toenail. Oh girl, you couldn't you got
a clipper handy? Oh I didn't that. I'm gonna go
(34:36):
get a pedicure just to get them painted. Like I
can't walk around with that out anyway, Josh, do me
a favor. Will you find me some people who have
broken their ankles? I have a couple of questions. Please,
I'll even take them on the fibulous signe because that's
gonna be most of you. But people who have broken
their uh, their tibias around the ankle, I could use them, please.
(34:57):
And by the way, all the people and then I
got to take a break. All the people who sent
nice messages. I really do appreciate it, I really really do.
I still can't believe Jody Milkman is not part of
us right now. But all of the messages were very,
(35:18):
very nice. And again, those messages are really for the
Milkman family. But thank you for for sending them along.
And listen, Samy's been on the air with us. We've
talked about him a million times. As Sammy said, if
because I check in on him all the time, right
and have every day. Sam is good. He's just not well,
(35:42):
so it's gonna take him a while, right, But he's good.
He's got a good support system around him. He's there
for his kids, he's got a ton of friends, he's
got Jody's friends, Jody's family, so he is doing good.
It's just gonna it's gonna take a while, as anybody
that has gone through this would know, But thank you
for all of the kind messages. I will certainly share
(36:04):
them with Sammy. That's incredible though.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I will say this, and as it has just played
out now on the air, and it did for me
and my wife during the funeral, because of her work
on the Delaware River waterfront and Pen's Landing, whether it
be the ice skinny rink or the nears the fireworks,
this is a loss for so many and many of
those majority of the people didn't even know her. So
there are people listening right now who have either enjoyed
(36:29):
some of the features or tractions that she was a spark.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You've ever watched the ironworks at the Benjamin Franklin Bridge,
That's all Jodie. And so that was telling it with
my wife and these stories being told, I was like, oh,
my goodness, like this person was part of my life
and I didn't even realize it. Yeah, and she, I
can't even say, was just such a great person, a great,
(36:52):
great person who, as Sam said, she met a guy
named Sam with a funny last name. By God, the
two of them, the two of them hit it off
and for thirty years and three kids later, had a
remarkable family that I thrilled to have been a part
of and will continue to be. But I just it's
(37:15):
it's surreal, it really is. Anyway, give me some broken ankles, please,
I'm gonna take a quick break though. Yeah. So eight
six six to Elliot eight six six two three five
five four six eight connect with Elliot in the morning.
Eight sixty six two Elliot eight sixty six two three
five five four six eight Elliots in the morning. You
(37:37):
broke your ankle. I did.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Actually, I raised motocross and this is about twenty years ago.
I broke my tibula, fibula, and I broke my growth
plate in my ankle too.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Okay, So there's the tibia, not tibula, the tibia, the fibula.
I don't know nothing about. No growth plate. The was
the was the tibia worse than the fibula.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
They were both about the same, But yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
It was painful, man.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
I'll definitely definitely agree with that for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah it is. No And you know that's the other thing.
And maybe maybe he'd like, why am I not on
any pain killers? Like I feel like I should be
on all kinds of opioids?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Are you saw on that twosound? All for Adville regiment?
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Well, if I want to, but I didn't do it
this morning because I didn't want to be loopy, So
I don't. I mean, I guess I can still take it,
but yeah, like I'm not on can you ask for
more for something? I feel like it's awkward to text
him and go, hey, do you mind giving me some percoset?
Like that just seems odd. But I'll tell you what.
(38:45):
I'm on medication.
Speaker 7 (38:46):
I haven't take it else you'll have a bad stomach exactly.
Oh you know the other thing that I have to
do I have to take. I have to take an
aspirin to prevent blood clots. Oh good, Hey, let me
ask you this.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
How long did it take for you to be able
to get back after it?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:07):
So I was at a cast for about two months.
They did two different casts. So the first four weeks
full cast crutches, then they took it off, re examined
everything X rated, and then they recasted it in. Said
I have about two more weeks until I can start
walking on a.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Boot, and uh, yeah, that boot went.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
On the day I left that appointment and started walking then,
so I definitely pushed it a little too soon.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
But motocrossers we gotta have.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
That, you know, you gotta do what you gotta do.
I get it, Yeah, exactly, I get it. The I
don't think. I don't think I'll be back on the
ice this season. I don't depend. Maybe if we have
a long playoff run, which is two weeks. The no, no, no,
But he did say so like I have to go
back in a week and a half, because he was
(39:56):
again he is so stressing. You want to make sure
that it heals right. Yeah, he's like that. That tibbya
is real tricky. But he said the same thing. You're
looking at probably four to six in a cast and
then a boot after that. But I really want to
be able to drive in a What I really like
to be able to do is like not have to
(40:16):
put this massive bag on my leg to shower in
a boot? Can you drive? Oh god, damn it. Take
a sip, Jersey, Mike's of the tube. I think you
could take it off. Just take a sip. Okay, I'm
broken up, Okay, never mind.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But again, there's maturity and growth for you you did
not use the crutches when you're supposed to, but you
did take a sip.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You're turning very rad Yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying to
get it to go down. It's not nope, well i'm talking.
I'm not talking the himelike. No, I'm good, I'm good.
Where am I going? You're still not fine? I will be?
It's fine. Hi Ellie at the morning. Yeah, Hi, who's that?
Speaker 4 (41:21):
My name is Jamar?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Hey, Jamar? Did you break your ankle? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I actually broke it in three different ways, so maybe I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Actually sounds like you're a baby. Yeah, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
So I fractured my fibula, broke the bottom half of
my tibia, which is the medio mala I can't pronounce
that word right, and the tissue that's in between the tibulaphibula.
When I broke it, it's separated a bit. So they
also have a wire in my ankle to keep that
pull together. So is it is it.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Is it easier to repair the phibi look because it's smaller, well.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
With my with my tibula, it was a was screwing it.
The fibula was kind of fractured, so but that took
like almost it felt like it took longer to heal
because it was nothing to support it. So every step
I felt like pain from my calf and my calf
all the way up to my knee.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Oh interesting, interesting, I will say this man, it is.
It is pretty painful. So when you like, if you
just even go to adjust your ankle, holy crap, man,
that thing hurts. And by the way, adjusting your ankle
is just moving your whole leg like I can't bend
or move my ankle. Yes. Time.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So a lot of people are writing that the tibia
is weight bearing. Oh that makes sense, and why Oh
that makes total sense.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Man. A lot of people have messed up their ankles. Okay,
that looks painful, like could you on your extra that's
a fibula and that's a full break you see.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Once they decided it was broken, after the radiologist came
in the morning, a knife had an orthopedic office look
at it as well.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Have you had another chance to see the imaging? Oh? Yeah?
Is it? Is it not to an untrained eye? Is
it not obvious?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Because some of these pictures people are sending our.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
That is a full fracture of a fibula. You could
see bone break bone. I didn't break my my tibia
in half, but yes, you can see the crack, so
it looks like it. So it's not. It's not a
full like where the bone breaks in half. Think of
the Liberty bell. It's the crack that runs up it. Yeah,
(43:32):
that's what I have. I have a crack.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
I too.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Now let me go to line seven. Hi Ellie in
the morning. Yeah, Hi, who's this? Hey?
Speaker 6 (43:50):
This is Dan for Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
What's going on? Dude? What'd you break? Hey?
Speaker 6 (43:55):
So I had a similar to the other callers, a
tib ship break a handful of years ago playing flag football. Surprisingly,
and yeah, I had a cast up to my groin
for about nine months and then we'll get.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Nine months. You've got it pretty good? Yeah, no, this
is good. Hey did you use the knee rover once
they got you out of the full leg?
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Uh? Yeah, I used my crutches, so I'll tell you
to uh to use that, but get the one month
appointment or the kind of that. That next follow up,
they decided that for it to heal more properly that
they h for for surgery, that they had to rebreak
it in another area. So I would tell you to
definitely use those crutches.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
By the way, that's my big fear, thank you sir.
Like I don't care if I get surgery, like I
really don't. My fear is that it doesn't heal and
then I get surgery, Like now we're just back in
time up.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
But this is why you are always a proponent of surgery,
because you think it expedites the recovery.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah, if we're going to end up there, let's just
do it.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
So that would be for you the worst case scenario
where it's like now I have to get surgery right
now and in my cast for six weeks.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Because I even said to a Nunziana like he was like,
you know, one more millimeter and we'd be like literally
you'd be in surgery and I was like, let's do it.
He's like, you do not want to do that. I
was like, no, no, no, but I really do. And
then he's the doctor, so there was no reason to
do it. Did he remind you of that the yes, yeah,
in so many words, but yes. But I saw on
(45:32):
Google and he was like, I know it's your right leg,
and I know you want to drive, and I know
you want to do all that. But we are going
to go knee to toes to protect you from you
because you don't want to mess this upright?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Are you gonna have to put in sucks one of
those chairs on your staircase?
Speaker 1 (45:53):
No, but that's not what I thought you were going
to say, Like flow from gremlin. Jackie asked if I
wanted to put a chair in the shower like a bench, Yes,
I sick right. No, do you have the ability to
sort of prop it up on something?
Speaker 7 (46:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I have. I'm telling you know what they make. They
make cast covers. Yeah you said that. Yeah, so I
just pull that thing on. It's very hard. But then
I just stand in the shower. You know, it's easy.
A stair left, you can temporarily, no gremlins. You go
Costanza for that. Yeah, my baby, and then he goes
up the stairs. That's not temporary. You got to bring
(46:36):
it a whole construction crew to do that. I understand.
I also broke the shower door. I knocked it off.
It's uh off, it's what do you call it? It's
track first.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And that's why she thinks you need a chair.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
She was like, do you want to bench in the showers? Like, no,
I'm not nine hundred and I'm not married to Kristin
vanden Hougen Doug. Okay, could you do a temporary low entry?
I don't even know that.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, now that you've broken the door of the shower,
can you get it renovated so that you don't have
to step over anything?
Speaker 1 (47:06):
You want to go bathfitters and see if they could
come in.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I don't know a company you're gonna use, but somebody
Hi Elliot in the morning.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Hi Elliott?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, Hi, who's ass right?
Speaker 3 (47:19):
Missus?
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Liz?
Speaker 3 (47:20):
I was calling you because I've been having a rough time.
I broke my ankle in two places last year of
vulsion fractures, and then this year I was diagnosed with DVT,
which is a blood clot and the right leg, and
then I got a torn maniscus in my right leg.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Well that's the other thing I wanted to ask a nunziata,
like do I have to worry about? Like did I
tear anything else in there? But it doesn't seem like it.
I mean, listen, that's what the guy does for a living.
He would know he saw the fracture and that's it.
We're good to go. Yeah. So we're yeah, we're fine. Hey,
were the blood clots because of being in the cast?
(48:00):
They told me, like, you want to take an aspirin.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, no, the blood clot was dude, I was taking
a warmone pill for menopause and apparently I don't. Yes,
the rest of all calls his blood clots. It can
cause blood clots.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh yeah, I'm good there, all right, very good, Thank you, ma'am. Wait, hey,
did the ankle heel? Yeah, okay, very good. That's the
other thing. I need this to heal properly, right to
avoid that surgery. Yeah, well no, not just to avoid
the surgery, but just so I can go do stuff again.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
And for those that join late who are asking again,
this has nothing to do with his knee.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Oh no, the knee. It's sort of the My left
knee is totally forgotten in all of this. Is it's
my right ankle that's now broke. He still has the
knee issue, right, but it's not even the same leg.
It's not like this knee issue led to a weakened ankle.
Now you'll never hear me. Will maybe I will have
to put the copper sleeve back on that left knee hurt.
(49:00):
The like Angel Reese with your legs. Hi Elliott the morning.
Hey Elliott, Yes, sir, how are you good? How are
you good? What can I do for you?
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:23):
So let's Colin.
Speaker 8 (49:23):
I actually just sent you guys a picture recently. My
wife broke her kid and fib three months ago.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
You know what's crazy the number the number of people
that break their and And Nunziata told me that. He's like, yeah, listen, people,
it's so common when when when you break down by
your ankles, it's always the fibula because it's the smaller,
weaker bone and it's on the outside. He said, it's odd,
or it's not odd, but it's less common to break
(49:51):
your tibia and not your fibula. What was she doing? Yeah,
what how did your wife snap hers? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (49:58):
So she was visiting her brother and he has some
steps that were like uneven, like the depths between some steps,
and she she missed up. She actually springed her right
ankle and then landed on her left leg and her
left ankle in both bones.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
So that was just for three days later.
Speaker 8 (50:15):
They wanted her to wait a week, but we went
to a second ortho and got her and they got
her in the next day after.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
We saw them. Hey, how long how long before she
was back like jumping around?
Speaker 8 (50:26):
Yeah, so she the knee scooter was a lifesaver.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
You. That thing is awesome, Thank you. She was. You
feel about you feel like you're older than God when
you're like wheeling yourself around. But I'm telling you, it
is a thousand times better than crutches. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (50:44):
She was on the knee scooter for about four weeks
or so, and then they got her on a walking
boot with crutches. She was doing that for about three
weeks or so, and then she was weight bearing in
the walking boot. And now she's, you know, three months later,
she's walking fully.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
But she's still going to tt God damn it. Stairs
for the hardest thing.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
We had a three We have a three level townhouse,
so we had to go state at the mother in
laws for six weeks because she's got on one level
because my wife just she could not do stairs with
that with that broken ankle.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Oh, I haven't even attempted to try the stairs yet,
Like I can't go upstairs, Like I just keep telling
Jackie bring me down underwear. So you're sleeping on the
floor on an air mattress. The yeah, I'm on an
air mattress in the living room, which is awesome though,
because now I can watch TV all night. But I'm
like Jack, bring down Tyler. I'm not getting the seat
that goes upstairs. Survey only takes an hour.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
It's a free, no obligation quotes, and we can get
installed by the end of this week.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
But yeah, no, I will.
Speaker 8 (51:44):
Say the shower chair is a life saver. The shower
chair and getting getting railed to go for the toilet
to help yourself get up, those things are game changers
for sure.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
I will say this. I do keep one crutch in
the bathroom so I can get up and down. Now here,
I just use the handicaps ball they built those bars in.
But you're telling me I should get the shower seat.
Speaker 8 (52:05):
Yeah, I mean, look, my wife had she broke She
broke the one ankle, but she also sprained the other
ankle pretty bad. She couldn't really stand up to support,
you know, on just one leg. But I guess it's
just your comforability. But I know the shower chair was
definitely a game changer, but I think were more important.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Really put my balls up against that like balls of wood,
all right, very good, very good, Thank you sir.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yes, Tyler, I wouldn't overlook turning your home into a bungalow.
These stair lifts help you master for three hours, regaining
your independence, retaining full use of your home, and remaining
in the home you loved.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
You don't want you to lose your home a place. Also,
no structural changes to the house. See how do they
install a way conveniently for your able bodied wife. I
do think they should have younger people on the website.
(53:08):
I mean this guy, he's a little older than Elliott.
Oh my god, it's a minimum of a month in
this goddamn cast, minimum of a month. Oh, it's gonna
take forever. There's Jackie, my dear, see you tomorrow. I'm
not even eating and I'm joking, all right, gonna I'm
(53:30):
gonna at least sign up for the brochure. Yes,
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