November 19, 2025 • 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
At any point in your life?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Did you ever do hallucinogenic drugs?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Uh, nothing that I'll admit to anyone I'm currently employed with.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
But yes, okay, but now can I ask you this?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Did you ever like I don't know if you're comfortable saying,
but like it could be anything from mushrooms to acid
to anything in between.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh no, I was gonna I was gonna like, which
end of the spectrum, Which end of the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Are we at mushrooms? Mushrooms? Yeah? No, that's fine. I
feel like a lot of people the hell Diane's done mushrooms?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
The was it a was it? Was it a good experience?
Like you had fun and everything was good?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Right?
Speaker 5 (00:50):
It was? Yeah? Yeah? It was with some friends a
long time ago. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And was there was there any I'm asking for a reason,
I'm asking for a reason. Was there any app like
like when I say after effects, like you finish your
you finish your trip or what you know, whatever you
want to call it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Was there any after effects from that?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Cause you know what, you know what?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I started to get weird about that I shouldn't say
weird about yesterday, and then there was an article about it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
What was the condition. Remember we talked about.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The pilot who had cut off the engines on the
airplane and he said that it was from the after
effects of doing mushrooms, like forty eight seventy two hours
whatever it had been days after after he had done mushrooms,
and that he got on the plane and then like
he started flipping out from like he was still jacked
(01:45):
up from doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
What was the what was it?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It had a weird name, hallucinogen hallucinogenic.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Existing perception disorder. Hallucinogenic No, no, just hallucinogen.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder HPPD.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You know what I learned about HPPD yesterday?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Is it more common than we think?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, that's a hard question to answer because a lot
of people don't go to their doctors and go, hey,
I am still having well, And they'll say a lot
of times that they may not be constant, but it
could also be flashbacks. But they were saying from one trip, right,
I hate using that word. That word sounds like I'm
a grandfather.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
But like one person that wrote us after we talked
about it, referred to it as an endless trip.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay, good, so trip is still in.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So the take for me, they were saying it could
last hours, it could last days, it could last weeks,
it could last years. That's terrifying that it goes on
and it's not because like you've rotted your brain out
so much from like doing like like I have done
so much acid where it's like you almost don't know
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what's real, what's or what it's not like to be
not what it's not like to be rolling that you
would have no idea, but that it could just be
ongoing flashbacks and it could be everything from just like
halos when you see something to like just mentally I
don't say mentally wigging out but still being like you're
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you're still rolling.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It seemed like the people who message, a lot of
them were more of the flashbacks side.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So they the people that message, they said it was
more like they had done whatever it was, mushrooms, ketamine acid.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I'm not sure if anyone actually identified the substance.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But it was some kind of hallucinogenic okay, yes, and
that they so they had their trip, but then they
would get flashbacks from it or continue to that would
mess me up.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Now, maybe maybe it.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Did persist for it a day two or three after
the initial usage. But I think they wanted to know
because that was what came out of the story. We
didn't know the flashback.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Part, correct, That was just that it was still going.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Ongoing when he tried to take that plan down, right,
But I think they wanted to inform us this also
can present itself years later as flashbacks.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
They said that in some cases that it's very similar
to PTSD, where somebody would have like obviously like a
traumatic experience, whether it's military related or or not, but
that weeks later, years later, like they're not still out
in the middle, but they have a flashback to it
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and their condition kicks in.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They said it could be the exact same thing from mushrooms. Now,
I've never done mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
When you read of all the garbage I put in
my system, I've never done mushrooms.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
We're mushrooms. The most cited.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, well no, they none of them were.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
They just said they just said in the general to loosenogenics,
it's just everybody and their mother does mushrooms. Now, everybody
does mushrooms. Now, I know some people are microdosing, so
that maybe you don't have as big of a trip
or as.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Wild of a trip, or you're not rolling as hard
as you would be.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I can I ask a question? And again I feel
stupid for not knowing this. I should know this. Does
cocaine get listed as a hallucinogenic or no? I don't
think something. No, okay, I know it's massive at parties
or at weddings that we learned.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
A couple of weeks ago. Everybody's doing cocaine at weddings.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
All right, let me go the line too, Christy, can
you find me some people who have done some hallucinogenics please?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And I don't care what it is and I'm not
I'm not Yeah, I don't care. I'm not judging. Hi,
Elliot in the morning.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Hi, Yeah, Hi?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Who's this?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Christius Darren from McLane.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
We've spoke a couple of bombs.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yes, sir, have you used to loosinogenics?
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (05:58):
I psilocybin?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Right, so yes you do? But like, are you are
you four times a week? I'm sorry say that again?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Three or four times a week?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Can I ask you this though? Are you are you
like are you just microdosing? Or you like are you going?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I would go hard.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
About two three times a month, but mostly microdosing. But
I go hard quite a few times a month.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And do you ever get well, let's separate those two.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
When you're microdosing, you don't really like, you don't really
like start tripping, right.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
No, you can get When I'm microdose, I usually get
some of the visual effects, but you know.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
None of the tripping show called effects other than some
little visuals.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right, I got youa And that wears off pretty quick.
When I say pretty quickly, it doesn't go on and
on and on. It wears off in a decent amount
of time.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, four to six hours usually.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, there you go. There you go. God, does that
sound delightful? Right now? Have you heard of what are
we calling it? HPPD?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I haven't heard of it that way. I've heard of
it more talk.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
Like flashbacks, which is more of an ls than mushrooms.
You know, mushrooms, I believe I have so many help benefits.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
They kill your ego. You become more one with the world,
if if you want to look at it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I thought you were going to talk about like anxiety
and treating PTSD, not just like you become.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
One with the world.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
To treat depression.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I gotcha, all right, good for you.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But now, like when you you said you go hard
a couple of times a month, do you ever get like,
do you ever does it ever have long term lingering effects?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Or do you ever get flashbacks from that?
Speaker 8 (08:00):
No?
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Not from the mushrooms?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Never once.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
How about from anything else you've ever done.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
I've had a couple of LSD flashbacks, like years after the.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Effet, years now, years and it's and and it's like.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
I flash back last time I actually touched ESB.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
I was like in my mid thirties, and I had
a flashback in my mid forties from it.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
And it was just out of nowhere.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
No warning, no no sign it was coming. It was just, oh,
I'm kind of tripping.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And you were totally at the time where you started
flashing back, totally sober like you were you weren't you
weren't smoking weed, like you weren't drunk, nothing like that.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Nothing. I can't drink.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I'm allergic.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
I break out handcuffs.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh my god, that's horrible, what a horrible all right, dude,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Thank you, my friend, thank you.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
That's a classic.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Could you imagine ten years later, that's crazy out of
nowhere poof flashback City. Ten years later, wouldn't you feel like, like, like,
what did I do this morning? Like I would think
like I ate something that is now kicked in. I
don't know that I would go like, oh, that's from
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ten years old.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
That's from LSD ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
It's like when you try to figure out how long
you continue to look over your shoulder if you're running
from the law.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Exactly at some point you stop looking.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
A couple of people did like that you described it
as PTSD, that that is it's very similar.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh, I mean, thank you, But I did read that.
I didn't make that up. Yeah, I did read that
where they said that it's it is.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It can be very similar in terms of you're not
still in the middle of it.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
So does that mean though, if it's PTSD, like, was
the amusing your words? It's not mine? Was the trip bad? Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm gonna say no, A yeah, I don't think that
it is. At least from what I read. It doesn't
sound like I was tripping and I got hit by
a car like he could just it's just from that
like they were saying you could see halos around objects,
you could see distorted sizes and colors, bright lights that
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won't fade.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So I'm walking like, ah, turn it off.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Just because I did some LSD a couple of years ago,
a decade.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That guy was a decade into it. Yeah, God, that's horrible.
And they said so few people like that guy. He
didn't go get He didn't go tell his doctor that.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I mean, he may have HPPD, but he didn't go
to his doctor and go Dude, I just had a
flashback from some LSD I did ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Is it because you don't want to admit to the
drug use or is it because you don't think the
doctor will believe your symptoms? Are you concerned about the
treatment because it is maybe a controversial diagnosis.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I bet there's a lot of people that don't want
to tell their doctor.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I would bet it's I was going to say, it's
probably a little bit of both, but yeah, I would
bet a lot of people unless they.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Get violently ill in the moment, yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They overdose or something accidentally. Yeah, I bet a lot
of people don't run into there. I bet people are
going into a physical today and the doctor's going to
go drinking smoking drugs.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, And they did mushrooms a week ago.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yeah, because I feel like, like my physicals they always
ask about weed. Use I feel like that that's more Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Because everybody smokes meed now everybody does. But like, even
like when I was growing up, if I went to
the doctor and they were like I never went in
was like, hey, you know what, we should talk about
some drugs I've done.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, Like, at no point do walk in and go, oh,
I've eaten handfuls of pills, Sure, let's go through them.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
No. In the pilot's trial, yes, did the prosecution bringing
anybody to debate the merits of this disorder?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That I don't because this was the heart of the defense, Yeah,
was that he was still jacked up forty eight hours later.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I wonder if they brought someone in or maybe multiple
people who said this, this is not real, this is
not a real disorder.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I would I would think it's real.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, that sounds like something that's talked about online. But
I are you finding this in like.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But it isn't.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It is an official diagnosis in.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Medical literature or just on like Time's website.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, No, I bet I bet, I bet.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I mean, you may have to look, but I bet
it is a registered medical condition.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I would bet. I don't know, but I would bet
Hi Jelly in the morning, this is me, Yeah, Hi,
who's this?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Is this casey?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Dude?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Driving to work?
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Man?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yes, all right? So what part of this are you
filling me in on?
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I just called when you because he said you needed
someone who's taken the loocid interest before I did about
a year and a half where I was really into
mushrooms and then one time I I don't know if
I took too many, or I took something my buddy
gave me, And I don't know if they were like
some ones to get for my gas station or something,
or one of those smoke shops that I had the
worst trip that I've not touched them sentence.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
But it was just from that one trip, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Yeah it was, but that trip was it was something else.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't know. I think he gave me some gummies
that had THHD and psilocybin in them, he said, And
I was already.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
So messed up. I didn't bother say oh what's the dose? Man?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I just said give me four, and I was doing great.
I went my tent and I zipped up my sleeping
bag and then the tent felt like someone was like
you know, like those machines where they like shrink rap
meat or something you put it in the freezer. Oh
selt Like my tent did that. And then I spent
like a thousand years just falling, hitting the ground, falling
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and hitting the ground. My buddy thought a bear was
going through our camp because I was shreaking out in
my tent so bad that he actually had to come
and get me out of the tent. And I was
trudging through like a creek in the water was freezing,
and I came to I was so happy to see him.
I started crying. I gave him a hug. It was
really intense, like super scary. I legitimately thought, I.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Went the hell.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
How long do you think that lasted?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Oh? He said, I was doing that for about two
two and a half hours, a thousand years.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But did you But there was no no like once
you came out, once you were done boohooing because you
found your friend. The uh, there was no there was
no lingering effects, no flashbacks from that.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
No, no I mean, you know, I didn't feel great
for a couple of days after, you know, you know,
whether they call it the after glow or right, a
little bit brighter and all that. But no, no, I
just scared the Jesus out of me, and I don't
I never want to take them again.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
How about that that did you in?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Good for you, Good for you? All right, dude, I
appreciate it, Thank you, thank you. A lot of people
go like, can't be that bad again.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It looks like doctors often will diagnose this as at
first with the substance induced psychosis tag, which is you're
just paranoid, which is different from what hh PD.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I guess HPPD HPPD.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
H PPD presents. But did you see there are two
types of HPPD.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes, no, But do you remember do you remember that
like that, that paranoia, like you'd be you'd be in
the backyard and be like.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I think I heard your mom. I think I heard
your mom's car.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't know if that's psychosish.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Wait, so what are the two types of HPPD.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
It sounds like the one that we're describing the most
is subset one. Right, It's just known as type one
and type two.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So that's like flashbacks and and like lingering effects.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yes, type well, type two may get into the lingering effects.
Oh you mean lingering in the days or something. Yeah, yes,
because type two actually activates a mental disorder in you.
So you're not just looking back on what happened moving forward.
You're mentally ill.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Boy, that's a harsh roll of the dice.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
That is like like like like mentally ill, like you
are gone.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
No, that someone can be mentally ill and still have
a very active life and go to work and have
a family, but it can trigger something. Again, I'm reading this.
I know it sounds like I'm heart of Dare and
I've been brought in to talk to the class. No,
this is what I'm dude.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I do not want that. Well, god no, I do
not want that.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Well.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
As a rule, no one really wants mental illness. No, no,
But but it is a Dailey's superpower. Remember, I'm waiting
to read that book on Libby.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I want type one? Where am I going?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
He don't.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
We don't want any of it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
If I have to choose, I want type one. It's
like diabetes. I don't know if that's the one I
want I'll get back to you on that. Hi Elliot
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Does this mean yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I thought it was John from Richmond, Virginia?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yes, sir, all right, what do you got for me?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
All right? So, first of all, the flashback that everybody's
looking at. Everybody's got some type of mental issues, a
little level something. So when you do something that's psychedelic,
you're intent deifying it. But when you do LSD. LSD
never leaves your system, It goes and sits in your spine.
That's why one of the reasons why it's illegal to
do well, not really illegal, but most of them don't
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do it spinal taps because you can cause somebody to
start tripping again very easy by cracking their back. You
can crack their back and they'll start all over again.
So the the two different types. You know somebody's already
If somebody's already got a mental issue, and note they
don't know about it, then you know through their through
their their experience, it's going to be there. And if
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they had a bad experience, it's it's going to happen again,
or it could happen. It doesn't mean it's going to
happen every single time. But I had a friend that
it happened to. He didn't do anything. We went to
the Godsmack concert back in two thousand and one at
Virginia Beach House at Amphitheater, and all he did was
drink and smoke pot. And when we got we ended
up at a hotel and uh some he actually his
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back was hurting when of his back cracked and somebody
cracked us back. And ten minutes later he was tripping
ball so bad that he said the pitch there were
stuff coming out the pictures and he jumped out the window.
I'll ask, Yeah, he was like he was being chased.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Did he like, were you on the first floor of
the hotel?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Now we were on third floor. If I remember correctly,
it won't far, but it was enough to put him
in the hospital and scare the crap out of him.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Okay, but he's okay, he's okay.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Cracking his back, no, he's like, he's alive. He's kicking
but he he don't even drink anymore. That's the point.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, that would straighten me out. So wait a minute, right,
so wait a minute.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Shrooms are kind of like we'll see, shrooms are kind
of like. Also, there's just no difference than peyote. Poti
is just a little bit stronger.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Peyote is like Cowboys from the nineteen fifty and Diana
in Mexican.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
But it's a true it's the Hallucini's and effect of
what it does. So I just want to give you
all that and thank y'all for listening to him.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh absolutely absolutely. Wait can I decipher something he said,
thank you sir about Payoti the no not Payoti Diane.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I'm looking up God's Max set list from that show.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
The So wait a minute, is that?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Is that so if you do LSD, it lives in
your spine or everybody's got something in their spine.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I thought it's I thought it's if you do LSD,
it lives, it lives in your spine.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Okay, because I was gonna say, dude, if you're a chiropractor,
you're screwed.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Is that something that they chiropractors come into contact with
all the time?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Not all the time, but I'm just saying, they crack
someone's back and that guy gets something. Window.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
If I've got a lingering back issue, I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Goin to back issue.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I'm gonna go see a chiropractor.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
But I'm not thinking like, oh, I tripped twenty years
ago and it's living in my spine.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's in the spine.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Quick search on the internet does say that's an urban legend. No,
I don't know what happened to that guy. Guy jumped
out the window.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But yeah, when you hearty, never did again, never did
it again, scared straight, he stopped drinking and everything he
said he was afraid to touch any sort of Do.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You blame it? Can I ask you this? Can I
ask you this? And I know you've never done a drug?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
If you know that's not true, what you're counting caffeine energy?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
To stop it? Please cast.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I meant like weed or or pills or stuff like
the pill.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yeah, I'm prescribed, like yes, recreational No, No, But like.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
On a random Saturday night, you've never been like I'm
taking a couple of percocet and with a with a
beer chaser.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Could you imagine if you went flying through a window
because of that, you would never do anything again?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Well, because I wouldn't survive.
Speaker 10 (21:51):
I'm not the longer so far away when I feel.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
The snake by and.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Be here again, and I don't remember why came.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That little that's my spinal tap line six?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Hi Elliott the morning, Hey Elliott, is this me?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yesh Hi? Who is this?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
My name's We'll go with Nick.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
I'm I'm a physician at a big hospital in Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I just wanted to everybody put your hand.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
On, everybody, put your lion hat on. Never done any drugs, sir.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
No, no, no, you're good. I'm not gonna I'm not
a nark and I'm not a snitch. But uh, I
just wanted to reassure you, uh, and all the viewers
listening right now that the LSD thing and the spine
is not real. That is like an urban legend. Just
like Tyler said, it is not true. There's nothing builds
up in your spine except arthritis or cancer. So uh yeah, no, no,
(22:58):
no one has to worry about LSB just sitting in
the spot.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Hey, can I ask you this? Hey? Can I ask
you this?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Like the the the HPPD from a from a doctor's standpoint,
are you guys are you guys trained on that at all?
Speaker 9 (23:17):
That's a really good question though for people who are
like trained in psychiatry, they that they might be an
interesting person to talk to. I will say that I
don't think that that's actually like a like a chemical disorder.
Like I again, I don't think that the hallucinogen is
like remaining in their body. But I imagine in the
same way that people who are bipolar or schizophrenic and
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you know, are prone to hallucinations from time to time.
I'm wondering if people who do hallucinogens, who are predisposed
to that kind of thing are now like having those
intermittently and it kind of like wakes up something inside
them that was there.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Right, So it kind of opens the door, if you will.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Yeah, that's kind of how I would interpret that, rather
than like, again, it's just like the hallucinogen actually still
being there and continuing to cause delayed effects, more like
opening the door.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Like you said, Hey, can I can I ask you
one other question, because they did say one of the
one of the issues that they deal with when they
when they talk to people who are having whether it's
long term effects from hallucinogen, hallucinogenic drugs, or flashbacks, is
people don't want to tell their doctors about it. Would
you tell somebody like if they were going to a
physical today and they had done mushrooms two weeks ago,
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would you tell them, because like doctors will ask, would
you tell them, Yeah, be honest, to tell them you've
done like you you've done mushrooms within the last month.
Speaker 9 (24:43):
That's a really good question. I guess my perspective is
a little biased because I am a doctor, so I know,
like what I am obligated to report and not report.
And if someone told me that they took every drug
under the sun or drank everything under the ocean, I
would not report or that to anyone, and that would
actually be protected patient information. The only two situations where
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a doctor is required to report is either suspected child abuse.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Or elder abuse.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
So you could tell me, like you smoked motor oil,
and like, I'm not telling anybody that. Like, so, besides
a little bit of embarrassment, there's really nothing to risk
from telling your doctor that. Even if you work at
a job where you shouldn't be using drugs and you
go see your doctor and you tell them you're doing drugs,
(25:35):
your doctor is not gonna sinitch you out to your job.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Or he's not gonna call your He's like like obviously,
like like people with clearances and stuff, like they're not.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Gonna call your your your.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Boss and tell them, hey, Jimmy was in here and wait,
hold on.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
But if Elliott's in the lobby too, and you are
a radio station employ all.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Right, doc, I appreciate the phone call. Thank you, sir,
Thank you my friend.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
Hey, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Hey, you got your talk to you later, not one.
Listen for my Spinal Town. Listen for My Spinal Town.
Speaker 10 (26:10):
Feel the Snake by Intermobbies. I wanna be here again
and I don't remember what care it is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yep, I got it.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
That should be the new Whitney Houston challenge, to knock
that symbol at the right moment. You know what, I'm
gonna think about doing that.
At any point in your life?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Did you ever do hallucinogenic drugs?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Uh, nothing that I'll admit to anyone I'm currently employed with.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
But yes, okay, but now can I ask you this?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Did you ever like I don't know if you're comfortable saying,
but like it could be anything from mushrooms to acid
to anything in between.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh no, I was gonna I was gonna like, which
end of the spectrum, Which end of the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Are we at mushrooms? Mushrooms? Yeah? No, that's fine. I
feel like a lot of people the hell Diane's done mushrooms?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
The was it a was it? Was it a good experience?
Like you had fun and everything was good?
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Right?
Speaker 5 (00:50):
It was? Yeah? Yeah? It was with some friends a
long time ago. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
And was there was there any I'm asking for a reason,
I'm asking for a reason. Was there any app like
like when I say after effects, like you finish your
you finish your trip or what you know, whatever you
want to call it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Was there any after effects from that?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Cause you know what, you know what?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I started to get weird about that I shouldn't say
weird about yesterday, and then there was an article about it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
What was the condition. Remember we talked about.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
The pilot who had cut off the engines on the
airplane and he said that it was from the after
effects of doing mushrooms, like forty eight seventy two hours
whatever it had been days after after he had done mushrooms,
and that he got on the plane and then like
he started flipping out from like he was still jacked
(01:45):
up from doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
What was the what was it?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It had a weird name, hallucinogen hallucinogenic.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Existing perception disorder. Hallucinogenic No, no, just hallucinogen.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder HPPD.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You know what I learned about HPPD yesterday?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Is it more common than we think?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, that's a hard question to answer because a lot
of people don't go to their doctors and go, hey,
I am still having well, And they'll say a lot
of times that they may not be constant, but it
could also be flashbacks. But they were saying from one trip, right,
I hate using that word. That word sounds like I'm
a grandfather.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
But like one person that wrote us after we talked
about it, referred to it as an endless trip.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay, good, so trip is still in.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So the take for me, they were saying it could
last hours, it could last days, it could last weeks,
it could last years. That's terrifying that it goes on
and it's not because like you've rotted your brain out
so much from like doing like like I have done
so much acid where it's like you almost don't know
(02:58):
what's real, what's or what it's not like to be
not what it's not like to be rolling that you
would have no idea, but that it could just be
ongoing flashbacks and it could be everything from just like
halos when you see something to like just mentally I
don't say mentally wigging out but still being like you're
(03:19):
you're still rolling.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It seemed like the people who message, a lot of
them were more of the flashbacks side.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So they the people that message, they said it was
more like they had done whatever it was, mushrooms, ketamine acid.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I'm not sure if anyone actually identified the substance.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But it was some kind of hallucinogenic okay, yes, and
that they so they had their trip, but then they
would get flashbacks from it or continue to that would
mess me up.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Now, maybe maybe it.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Did persist for it a day two or three after
the initial usage. But I think they wanted to know
because that was what came out of the story. We
didn't know the flashback.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Part, correct, That was just that it was still going.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Ongoing when he tried to take that plan down, right,
But I think they wanted to inform us this also
can present itself years later as flashbacks.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
They said that in some cases that it's very similar
to PTSD, where somebody would have like obviously like a
traumatic experience, whether it's military related or or not, but
that weeks later, years later, like they're not still out
in the middle, but they have a flashback to it
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and their condition kicks in.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
They said it could be the exact same thing from mushrooms. Now,
I've never done mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
When you read of all the garbage I put in
my system, I've never done mushrooms.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
We're mushrooms. The most cited.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, well no, they none of them were.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
They just said they just said in the general to loosenogenics,
it's just everybody and their mother does mushrooms. Now, everybody
does mushrooms. Now, I know some people are microdosing, so
that maybe you don't have as big of a trip
or as.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Wild of a trip, or you're not rolling as hard
as you would be.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I can I ask a question? And again I feel
stupid for not knowing this. I should know this. Does
cocaine get listed as a hallucinogenic or no? I don't
think something. No, okay, I know it's massive at parties
or at weddings that we learned.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
A couple of weeks ago. Everybody's doing cocaine at weddings.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
All right, let me go the line too, Christy, can
you find me some people who have done some hallucinogenics please?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And I don't care what it is and I'm not
I'm not Yeah, I don't care. I'm not judging. Hi,
Elliot in the morning.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Hi, Yeah, Hi?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Who's this?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Christius Darren from McLane.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
We've spoke a couple of bombs.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yes, sir, have you used to loosinogenics?
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (05:58):
I psilocybin?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Right, so yes you do? But like, are you are
you four times a week? I'm sorry say that again?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Three or four times a week?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Can I ask you this though? Are you are you
like are you just microdosing? Or you like are you going?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I would go hard.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
About two three times a month, but mostly microdosing. But
I go hard quite a few times a month.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And do you ever get well, let's separate those two.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
When you're microdosing, you don't really like, you don't really
like start tripping, right.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
No, you can get When I'm microdose, I usually get
some of the visual effects, but you know.
Speaker 8 (06:44):
None of the tripping show called effects other than some
little visuals.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right, I got youa And that wears off pretty quick.
When I say pretty quickly, it doesn't go on and
on and on. It wears off in a decent amount
of time.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, four to six hours usually.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, there you go. There you go. God, does that
sound delightful? Right now? Have you heard of what are
we calling it? HPPD?
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I haven't heard of it that way. I've heard of
it more talk.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
Like flashbacks, which is more of an ls than mushrooms.
You know, mushrooms, I believe I have so many help benefits.
Speaker 8 (07:31):
They kill your ego. You become more one with the world,
if if you want to look at it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I thought you were going to talk about like anxiety
and treating PTSD, not just like you become.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
One with the world.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
To treat depression.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I gotcha, all right, good for you.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But now, like when you you said you go hard
a couple of times a month, do you ever get like,
do you ever does it ever have long term lingering effects?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Or do you ever get flashbacks from that?
Speaker 8 (08:00):
No?
Speaker 7 (08:01):
Not from the mushrooms?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Never once.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
How about from anything else you've ever done.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
I've had a couple of LSD flashbacks, like years after the.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Effet, years now, years and it's and and it's like.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
I flash back last time I actually touched ESB.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
I was like in my mid thirties, and I had
a flashback in my mid forties from it.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
And it was just out of nowhere.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
No warning, no no sign it was coming. It was just, oh,
I'm kind of tripping.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And you were totally at the time where you started
flashing back, totally sober like you were you weren't you
weren't smoking weed, like you weren't drunk, nothing like that.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Nothing. I can't drink.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I'm allergic.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
I break out handcuffs.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Oh my god, that's horrible, what a horrible all right, dude,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Thank you, my friend, thank you.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
That's a classic.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Could you imagine ten years later, that's crazy out of
nowhere poof flashback City. Ten years later, wouldn't you feel like, like, like,
what did I do this morning? Like I would think
like I ate something that is now kicked in. I
don't know that I would go like, oh, that's from
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ten years old.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
That's from LSD ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
It's like when you try to figure out how long
you continue to look over your shoulder if you're running
from the law.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Exactly at some point you stop looking.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
A couple of people did like that you described it
as PTSD, that that is it's very similar.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Oh, I mean, thank you, But I did read that.
I didn't make that up. Yeah, I did read that
where they said that it's it is.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It can be very similar in terms of you're not
still in the middle of it.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
So does that mean though, if it's PTSD, like, was
the amusing your words? It's not mine? Was the trip bad? Oh?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I'm gonna say no, A yeah, I don't think that
it is. At least from what I read. It doesn't
sound like I was tripping and I got hit by
a car like he could just it's just from that
like they were saying you could see halos around objects,
you could see distorted sizes and colors, bright lights that
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won't fade.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So I'm walking like, ah, turn it off.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Just because I did some LSD a couple of years ago,
a decade.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That guy was a decade into it. Yeah, God, that's horrible.
And they said so few people like that guy. He
didn't go get He didn't go tell his doctor that.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I mean, he may have HPPD, but he didn't go
to his doctor and go Dude, I just had a
flashback from some LSD I did ten years ago.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Is it because you don't want to admit to the
drug use or is it because you don't think the
doctor will believe your symptoms? Are you concerned about the
treatment because it is maybe a controversial diagnosis.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I bet there's a lot of people that don't want
to tell their doctor.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I would bet it's I was going to say, it's
probably a little bit of both, but yeah, I would
bet a lot of people unless they.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Get violently ill in the moment, yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They overdose or something accidentally. Yeah, I bet a lot
of people don't run into there. I bet people are
going into a physical today and the doctor's going to
go drinking smoking drugs.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, And they did mushrooms a week ago.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yeah, because I feel like, like my physicals they always
ask about weed. Use I feel like that that's more Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Because everybody smokes meed now everybody does. But like, even
like when I was growing up, if I went to
the doctor and they were like I never went in
was like, hey, you know what, we should talk about
some drugs I've done.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, Like, at no point do walk in and go, oh,
I've eaten handfuls of pills, Sure, let's go through them.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
No. In the pilot's trial, yes, did the prosecution bringing
anybody to debate the merits of this disorder?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
That I don't because this was the heart of the defense, Yeah,
was that he was still jacked up forty eight hours later.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I wonder if they brought someone in or maybe multiple
people who said this, this is not real, this is
not a real disorder.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I would I would think it's real.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, that sounds like something that's talked about online. But
I are you finding this in like.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But it isn't.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It is an official diagnosis in.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Medical literature or just on like Time's website.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, No, I bet I bet, I bet.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I mean, you may have to look, but I bet
it is a registered medical condition.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I would bet. I don't know, but I would bet
Hi Jelly in the morning, this is me, Yeah, Hi,
who's this?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Is this casey?
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Dude?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Driving to work?
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Man?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yes, all right? So what part of this are you
filling me in on?
Speaker 9 (13:15):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I just called when you because he said you needed
someone who's taken the loocid interest before I did about
a year and a half where I was really into
mushrooms and then one time I I don't know if
I took too many, or I took something my buddy
gave me, And I don't know if they were like
some ones to get for my gas station or something,
or one of those smoke shops that I had the
worst trip that I've not touched them sentence.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
But it was just from that one trip, right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Yeah it was, but that trip was it was something else.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't know. I think he gave me some gummies
that had THHD and psilocybin in them, he said, And
I was already.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
So messed up. I didn't bother say oh what's the dose? Man?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I just said give me four, and I was doing great.
I went my tent and I zipped up my sleeping
bag and then the tent felt like someone was like
you know, like those machines where they like shrink rap
meat or something you put it in the freezer. Oh
selt Like my tent did that. And then I spent
like a thousand years just falling, hitting the ground, falling
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and hitting the ground. My buddy thought a bear was
going through our camp because I was shreaking out in
my tent so bad that he actually had to come
and get me out of the tent. And I was
trudging through like a creek in the water was freezing,
and I came to I was so happy to see him.
I started crying. I gave him a hug. It was
really intense, like super scary. I legitimately thought, I.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Went the hell.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
How long do you think that lasted?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Oh? He said, I was doing that for about two
two and a half hours, a thousand years.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But did you But there was no no like once
you came out, once you were done boohooing because you
found your friend. The uh, there was no there was
no lingering effects, no flashbacks from that.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
No, no I mean, you know, I didn't feel great
for a couple of days after, you know, you know,
whether they call it the after glow or right, a
little bit brighter and all that. But no, no, I
just scared the Jesus out of me, and I don't
I never want to take them again.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
How about that that did you in?
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Good for you, Good for you? All right, dude, I
appreciate it, Thank you, thank you. A lot of people
go like, can't be that bad again.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It looks like doctors often will diagnose this as at
first with the substance induced psychosis tag, which is you're
just paranoid, which is different from what hh PD.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I guess HPPD HPPD.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
H PPD presents. But did you see there are two
types of HPPD.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes, no, But do you remember do you remember that
like that, that paranoia, like you'd be you'd be in
the backyard and be like.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I think I heard your mom. I think I heard
your mom's car.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't know if that's psychosish.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Wait, so what are the two types of HPPD.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
It sounds like the one that we're describing the most
is subset one. Right, It's just known as type one
and type two.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So that's like flashbacks and and like lingering effects.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yes, type well, type two may get into the lingering effects.
Oh you mean lingering in the days or something. Yeah, yes,
because type two actually activates a mental disorder in you.
So you're not just looking back on what happened moving forward.
You're mentally ill.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Boy, that's a harsh roll of the dice.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
That is like like like like mentally ill, like you
are gone.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
No, that someone can be mentally ill and still have
a very active life and go to work and have
a family, but it can trigger something. Again, I'm reading this.
I know it sounds like I'm heart of Dare and
I've been brought in to talk to the class. No,
this is what I'm dude.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I do not want that. Well, god no, I do
not want that.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Well.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
As a rule, no one really wants mental illness. No, no,
But but it is a Dailey's superpower. Remember, I'm waiting
to read that book on Libby.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I want type one? Where am I going?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
He don't.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
We don't want any of it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
If I have to choose, I want type one. It's
like diabetes. I don't know if that's the one I
want I'll get back to you on that. Hi Elliot
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Does this mean yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I thought it was John from Richmond, Virginia?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yes, sir, all right, what do you got for me?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
All right? So, first of all, the flashback that everybody's
looking at. Everybody's got some type of mental issues, a
little level something. So when you do something that's psychedelic,
you're intent deifying it. But when you do LSD. LSD
never leaves your system, It goes and sits in your spine.
That's why one of the reasons why it's illegal to
do well, not really illegal, but most of them don't
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do it spinal taps because you can cause somebody to
start tripping again very easy by cracking their back. You
can crack their back and they'll start all over again.
So the the two different types. You know somebody's already
If somebody's already got a mental issue, and note they
don't know about it, then you know through their through
their their experience, it's going to be there. And if
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they had a bad experience, it's it's going to happen again,
or it could happen. It doesn't mean it's going to
happen every single time. But I had a friend that
it happened to. He didn't do anything. We went to
the Godsmack concert back in two thousand and one at
Virginia Beach House at Amphitheater, and all he did was
drink and smoke pot. And when we got we ended
up at a hotel and uh some he actually his
(18:53):
back was hurting when of his back cracked and somebody
cracked us back. And ten minutes later he was tripping
ball so bad that he said the pitch there were
stuff coming out the pictures and he jumped out the window.
I'll ask, Yeah, he was like he was being chased.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Did he like, were you on the first floor of
the hotel?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Now we were on third floor. If I remember correctly,
it won't far, but it was enough to put him
in the hospital and scare the crap out of him.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Okay, but he's okay, he's okay.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Cracking his back, no, he's like, he's alive. He's kicking
but he he don't even drink anymore. That's the point.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, that would straighten me out. So wait a minute, right,
so wait a minute.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Shrooms are kind of like we'll see, shrooms are kind
of like. Also, there's just no difference than peyote. Poti
is just a little bit stronger.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Peyote is like Cowboys from the nineteen fifty and Diana
in Mexican.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
But it's a true it's the Hallucini's and effect of
what it does. So I just want to give you
all that and thank y'all for listening to him.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh absolutely absolutely. Wait can I decipher something he said,
thank you sir about Payoti the no not Payoti Diane.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I'm looking up God's Max set list from that show.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
The So wait a minute, is that?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Is that so if you do LSD, it lives in
your spine or everybody's got something in their spine.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I thought it's I thought it's if you do LSD,
it lives, it lives in your spine.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Okay, because I was gonna say, dude, if you're a chiropractor,
you're screwed.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Is that something that they chiropractors come into contact with
all the time?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Not all the time, but I'm just saying, they crack
someone's back and that guy gets something. Window.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
If I've got a lingering back issue, I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Goin to back issue.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I'm gonna go see a chiropractor.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
But I'm not thinking like, oh, I tripped twenty years
ago and it's living in my spine.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
It's in the spine.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Quick search on the internet does say that's an urban legend. No,
I don't know what happened to that guy. Guy jumped
out the window.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But yeah, when you hearty, never did again, never did
it again, scared straight, he stopped drinking and everything he
said he was afraid to touch any sort of Do.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You blame it? Can I ask you this? Can I
ask you this? And I know you've never done a drug?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
If you know that's not true, what you're counting caffeine energy?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
To stop it? Please cast.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I meant like weed or or pills or stuff like
the pill.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Yeah, I'm prescribed, like yes, recreational No, No, But like.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
On a random Saturday night, you've never been like I'm
taking a couple of percocet and with a with a
beer chaser.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Could you imagine if you went flying through a window
because of that, you would never do anything again?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Well, because I wouldn't survive.
Speaker 10 (21:51):
I'm not the longer so far away when I feel.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
The snake by and.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
Be here again, and I don't remember why came.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
That little that's my spinal tap line six?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Hi Elliott the morning, Hey Elliott, is this me?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yesh Hi? Who is this?
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
My name's We'll go with Nick.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
I'm I'm a physician at a big hospital in Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I just wanted to everybody put your hand.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
On, everybody, put your lion hat on. Never done any drugs, sir.
Speaker 9 (22:34):
No, no, no, you're good. I'm not gonna I'm not
a nark and I'm not a snitch. But uh, I
just wanted to reassure you, uh, and all the viewers
listening right now that the LSD thing and the spine
is not real. That is like an urban legend. Just
like Tyler said, it is not true. There's nothing builds
up in your spine except arthritis or cancer. So uh yeah, no, no,
(22:58):
no one has to worry about LSB just sitting in
the spot.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Hey, can I ask you this? Hey? Can I ask
you this?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Like the the the HPPD from a from a doctor's standpoint,
are you guys are you guys trained on that at all?
Speaker 9 (23:17):
That's a really good question though for people who are
like trained in psychiatry, they that they might be an
interesting person to talk to. I will say that I
don't think that that's actually like a like a chemical disorder.
Like I again, I don't think that the hallucinogen is
like remaining in their body. But I imagine in the
same way that people who are bipolar or schizophrenic and
(23:41):
you know, are prone to hallucinations from time to time.
I'm wondering if people who do hallucinogens, who are predisposed
to that kind of thing are now like having those
intermittently and it kind of like wakes up something inside
them that was there.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Right, So it kind of opens the door, if you will.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Yeah, that's kind of how I would interpret that, rather
than like, again, it's just like the hallucinogen actually still
being there and continuing to cause delayed effects, more like
opening the door.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Like you said, Hey, can I can I ask you
one other question, because they did say one of the
one of the issues that they deal with when they
when they talk to people who are having whether it's
long term effects from hallucinogen, hallucinogenic drugs, or flashbacks, is
people don't want to tell their doctors about it. Would
you tell somebody like if they were going to a
physical today and they had done mushrooms two weeks ago,
(24:33):
would you tell them, because like doctors will ask, would
you tell them, Yeah, be honest, to tell them you've
done like you you've done mushrooms within the last month.
Speaker 9 (24:43):
That's a really good question. I guess my perspective is
a little biased because I am a doctor, so I know,
like what I am obligated to report and not report.
And if someone told me that they took every drug
under the sun or drank everything under the ocean, I
would not report or that to anyone, and that would
actually be protected patient information. The only two situations where
(25:06):
a doctor is required to report is either suspected child abuse.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Or elder abuse.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
So you could tell me, like you smoked motor oil,
and like, I'm not telling anybody that. Like, so, besides
a little bit of embarrassment, there's really nothing to risk
from telling your doctor that. Even if you work at
a job where you shouldn't be using drugs and you
go see your doctor and you tell them you're doing drugs,
(25:35):
your doctor is not gonna sinitch you out to your job.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Or he's not gonna call your He's like like obviously,
like like people with clearances and stuff, like they're not.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Gonna call your your your.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Boss and tell them, hey, Jimmy was in here and wait,
hold on.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
But if Elliott's in the lobby too, and you are
a radio station employ all.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Right, doc, I appreciate the phone call. Thank you, sir,
Thank you my friend.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
Hey, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Hey, you got your talk to you later, not one.
Listen for my Spinal Town. Listen for My Spinal Town.
Speaker 10 (26:10):
Feel the Snake by Intermobbies. I wanna be here again
and I don't remember what care it is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yep, I got it.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
That should be the new Whitney Houston challenge, to knock
that symbol at the right moment. You know what, I'm
gonna think about doing that.
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