EITM interviews Sean Burch

EITM interviews Sean Burch

Episode Transcript

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The last time you were here,you were talking about you were getting ready
to leave or preparing to leave foran expedition, and I was like,
oh, sweet Sean, where areyou going? And You're like, oh,
I'm not going to say anything becauseyou don't like to talk about what
you're going to do. Yeah,but when you come back or you finish
what you were going to do,then you're you're happy to talk about it.

(00:20):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. I tell my son, no
one else really much until I leave, and then I'm like, Okay,
I'm going right to Argentina and thenI'm going to climb in the andies and
I'm doing this particular record or somethingthat's motivating me. Right. So the
but when we talked to you,you knew that you were going to Argentina.

(00:41):
Yeah, Yeah, I knew bythat time. Yeah, ID already
booked everything, logistics was taken careof, so I was ready to go,
by the way, and I watchedsome of the videos that you posted.
The logistics seemed like they would bevery hard to do, very hard
to do that. The logistics isactually the toughest part. It takes about
a year year and a half beforeI found actually one guy who was willing
to do the logistics for me forwhat I was setting to do, right,

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And so once you have that down, and then of course you know,
is the guy full of it oris he serious? I was always
like, you see, I'm notgoing to show up at the airport and
no one's gonna be there. Andhe goes way in the back. So
I went through customs, I'm lookingaround, I'm like, oh my god,
this guy screwed me. Where didyou showed up? Where did you
even fly into? Mendoza, Argentina? Right, so that's usually the hub

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for the andes, for the highaltitude peaks. Like you know, is
that a popular climbing area. No, not, well it's more of a
wine It's become a wine area nowa lot of people go there for wine,
the wine country. But yeah,I mean that's all the mountaineers will
usually go to Mendoza if you're goingto Argentina, and then you start from
there and then go up, driveup. I mean was literally it was
like two days to even get tothe main part before you even started,

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so it was a long, longhaul. So before before we start getting
into all the details, when yousat down and you were like, I'm
going to go to Argentina because Ihave this urge to go do whatever it
is in your head. What wasthe what was the mission going to be?
My My goal was to climb thethree highest volcanoes in the world back
to back to back. So everysingle day, climb a new volcano,

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new volcano, back to back toback. And it's never even been has
never been, has never been donebefore. Of course that's the reason why
I was doing it. And soit's the three highest highest volcanoes in the
world, in the world, andthey're all right there, they're all right
there, Yeah, they're they're nottogether, you have. That's the big
thing is the logistics, right,So to find a guy to say,
hey, I'm willing to go tohere, drive all night to go to

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the next peak, I climb thatand then drive all night to go to
the next peak. And there wasone guy who's willing to do it.
Is that the guy who I seein the video? Uh no, that's
another guy I know. There's anotherguy I met who was actually traveling,
Yeah throughout he was bike riding theentire South America. So I just met
him. Wait, so just somerandom dude that was bike riding all through

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Urgent. You want to ride hadHe had a truck and we got in
there and he had the dogs andI was I was with the dogs in
the back and so he drove thislittle section. So that's all. And
he was he was a good guy. So it's able to drive us.
You know, you can take itwherever you get it because there's no there's
no one around. I mean,there was no one on the peaks.
When I climbed the volcanoes, twoof the highest volcanoes, there was no

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one there. That's the beauty ofit. You know, I was alone,
right, And you love solo cardI love it. Yeah, But
but God forbid, and Sean,I don't like talking like this, and
you know that, but God forbid, like not even anything serious, but
you break your leg. Like everyyear we see God knows how many people
get jacked up on Mount Everest oror K two or whatever. People get

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hurt like it's it's it's it's partof the sport. Yeah, But I
mean a lot of those people shouldn'tprobably be on the mountain. But it
does happen to experienced mountain. I'vebeen doing it for a long time,
but it does happen to experienced mountaineers. But I've been doing this solo for
so long. It's the only wayI love it so much. Just be
in the mountain, just me andthe mountain. I love that because it's

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just this I don't know, thisprimal thing where you have to depend on
yourself. You can depend on somebodyelse, and to me, that's like
life, right, you know,you don't depend on somebody else to get
you out of something. You cando it yourself if you put your mind
to it. And that's what whenI get on the mount I just I
just switch gears. Totally different person. I, on the other hand,
feel like I can't surround myself withenough people. Yeah. So the okay,

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so it's the three highest volcanoes inthe world. That was the goal,
and the goal was to go backto back to back, three days,
three volcanoes, and it's that's neverbeen done, never been done before,
have never even yeah I didn't eventried, has any But clearly there
are people that have climbed all threeof them, Yes, but just not
back to back to back. Yes. Are they popular things to climb?

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Uh? No? Not actually,because they're so remote. So on all
the peaks you it would take ittakes like a half day to full day
just to get from the main roadjust to get to the camp because it's
all back roods and we're not talkinggravel roads. We're talking heavy bouncing around.
I mean, it takes forever.So you have to have a four
by four, right, we had. This guy had a Toyota. It

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was a new Toyota, so Iknew it was like a great, it's
not gonna break down, right,right, So it takes a lot logistically
just to get to the peaks.It's not like the other ones where you
usually are a little bit easier toget to. But if I were gonna
go, like, what is it, I'm sure I'm gonna mispronounced it is
it? Is it? Pisses Pieces, Pieces mount Mount, piss Mount Pieces.

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It's that that's the second highest volcano. Okay, so let's just go
with that one, right, PiecesPieces. If I were a normal climber,
Yeah, how long how long shouldit take me to? Yeah to
do it? Get there? Yeah, to go to Is there a base
camp like there is on on Everess? Like a base camp if you're acclimatized
you're ready to go. You've climbedsmaller peaks. This is what I did.

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I climbed four thousand meter peaks.I climbed five thousand meter peaks.
Seven feet what is that? Andfeet? What's five thousand it's like eighteen
thousand. Oh that's hot, nineteenthousand high? Yeah, yeah, right,
because the volcanoes are over twenty twothousand feet? What's Everest twenty nine
thousand feet? You know what?Because you hear so much about everestpying,
you know, like the tallest,and obviously it is. You just think

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of everything else as it's got tobe, like itdy bitty, that's freaking
high. Yeah, twenty two.I mean these are the highest peaks outside
the Himalaya in the world, thehighest peaks. Yeah in South America.
Wow, Western southern hemisphere, it'sup there. They're high. They're pretty
high, all right. Yeah,So anyway, so I would get there.
I'm a climatize I've been. I'vebeen like climbing these small hills.
Yeah. It takes a day.Yeah, so it takes a day from

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the main road to get to thecamp. You have day to a full
day. So then you get tothe base camp. That's that night.
The next day you can either goto high camp, or you could try
for the sum Most people go toa high camp, sleep for a night,
set up for that night, andthen the next day not an evening
because it's extremely cold to go forthe summit, come back to the high
camp, spend the night there,and then and then next and then usually

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the next day they'll go all theway back down to the road or back
to this. There's a like alevel called a hastierra in the middle of
nowhere. There's like a little hotelwhere all the mining camps go, so
in the like hundreds of kilometers andthen there's suddenly this oasis of this hotel.
A normal person would do it inthree days, three yeah, three
days, three days. I pushit on the road from the road three

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days, yeah yeah. And youdid it from the road in one day
seventeen yeah, seventeen eighteen hours.Yeah. We left it to it because
the wind was so bad. Fortwenty days, the wind was like one
hundred and sixty kilometers what's what aboutone hundred miles per hour on the summit.
O my god, the winds oneyeah. Every every single day we
kept looking at the weather, andI was by by day four, I
was getting so depressed because there waslike, there's no there's no gaps,

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and then suddenly there's starting to belittle gaps where it was like seventy or
eighty and it was like three orfour hour block. So that's why I
decided to do this, because Iwas the other expedition. I knew back
to back to back is never gonnahappen, right, So I was like,
why what if we leave from thehotel, drive all the way there
a middle of night, I'll climbthe mountain, would come back, and

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then we drive all the way backbecause you cannot set up a tent because
the tent will be blown away.You cannot do it. It's one hundred
miles an hour wins. Yeah.So the guy was staying in the truck
the entire time. So that's whatwe say, for eighteen hours while you're
climbing, he's sitting in the truck. Well, they climb didn't take eighteen
hours, but the entire time.Yeah, Yeah, he's stayed in the
truck. When I got there,I had a piece of bread I threw
up on the way there. It'sthe whole whole Wait, what do you

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mean you threw up on the waythere, because so he's got Matazuma's revenge.
No, no, well that's why. Yeah the walk, No yeah,
we left at two o'clock. Sobefore I was hydrating like crazy because
I'm not gonna have water. Ihad only had two leaders with me,
so I was hydrating like crazy.But then the back roads were bouncing about,
carsick, so every like every everyevery like forty five minutes. So
I'm like pull over. So Iwas throwing up and I can and I

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can't back in the car, andI was looking at him. He was
just like, this guy's not gonnado this guy is gonna even climbed the
mountain. So like four or fivetimes I was puke. And so by
the time I got there, well, how dehydrated are you by the time
you get to Well that's the wholepoint. I had no food in me,
no water. Mean, I waslike, just give me a couple
of pieces of bread. So hewas giving me bread like okay, you
know, go ahead, you know. So I get out, and of
course the wind's blowing like crazy,and then I put my head down and

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then just said, well, I'mgonna start, and I just started.
And now again that's why I changedgears. Once I get on the mountain,
I just become another person. Ijust get freaking pumped up. But
that's it. But so it's soyou're pukd. You you're I mean,
you're full of all that bread twopieces. Didn't have your emergency peanut butter
stack. I didn't. That wasback at the hotel. I did.

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I did have that, and soI made him sure he got me those.
You opened the door to the tothe truck. Yeah, and it's
blowing like crazy, one hundred milean hour winky. What's the what's the
temperature? Temperature at that altitude wasprobably about uh, probably negative negative four
negative twenty so negative four degree fourfahrenheit negative four with one hundred mile per

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hour winds. Yeah. Well,back back there, he was about sixty
per hour wins one hundred miles phour winds on the summit. It's worse
on the summit, of course.And then so you open the door,
it's blow crazy. Yeah, it'ssixty mile an hour winds. And at
that point you go, well hereI go, Well, yeah, you're
gonna guy in the next eighteen hoursyou you've got No, it didn't take

(10:24):
me eighteen hours this summer, butyou've got to do. This guy has
driven through, you know, forsix or seven hours. I was really
I was really like, you know, maybe we should just turn around.
But I was like, this guywould be so pissed because he took his
truck through all these back roads justto get here. I'm like, I've
got at least try, right,So that's when I start off. And
it did it for him. Well, it was like it's I don't know,

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it upends out there climbing. I'msmoking. It's very deceiving because it's
sunny. He didn't vomit in mycar. Yeah, it's very deceiving because
it's sunny out, but yet thewinds are so bad you can barely even
walk. It's incredible that, likethe do you wear add six layers of
clothing. I'll show that in oneof my next videos. I had six

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layers and I was still like,you know, you have to keep moving,
which is that's to me the goodpart, because you just you can't
stop, so you just have toeither go up or you go back down.
So I just I'll keep going.Right now, I feel like every
time I keep saying you took eighteenhours, you get like a little bit
of you're not angry, but alittle bit of niciness where you're like,
you know, I didn't take eighteenthat included the car ride. Now I'm

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faster than that. Yeah. No, but it's like it's like like I
hit a nerve. It didn't takea slowing to take eighteen hours. I
climbed the mountain actually pretty fast,all right, but I'm saying that,
damn you stand that. So fromthe time you open the car door,
yeah, to get to the hoodfrom the Hosti era. No, I
don't care about the host eighteen hours. I don't care about the Hosti era.

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I'm talking about. Just try toget the facts right. So this
guy drive, You're asked for sevenhours, yes, and the night right,
and you get to mount Pieces,yes, he's he parks and he
goes yep, I hope I seeyou from the time that then and then
when you open that door to getback into the car, how long are
you gone. Let's probably have onseven hours, six or seven hours.

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Dude, that's fast. Seven hours. It's faster than are you faster the
summits. It's slower for me onthe way down because I take my time
because it's I don't like down cloth, don't they say, don't they say
for a lot of people like andagain I'm basing all this on things I've
read about Everest, But don't theysay, like a lot a lot of
problems come on the way down becausepeople, well, number one, they're
exhausted, fatigued, hungry. Maybethey're like tires with oxygen. But also

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the mission, if you will,is complete, you already summit it,
so they get like a little mentallylazy on the way down. Yeah.
I mean it's you're still going down, so it's tough, and you got
to watch your footing. So ifyou're not paying attention there right, you
could fall and that a lot ofpeople do that. Yeah, I mean
it's pretty dangerous going back down theso but the but so what I was

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getting as you would say, likesomebody would get to base, then somebody
would get to upper base, andthen they would summit and they would come
back down. Maybe at upper base, spend the night, so three days
yeah, sometimes yeah you did itin seven hours, Yeah, the whole
thing. Yeah, back to thecar and then we had to drive back.
Okay, I don't count the drivingpart that throw that out, throw
that out, but a lot ofI'm sure some climbers have climbed it as

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fast as I've goed. No way, yeah, I'm sure seven hours.
I don't know. Maybe all Iknow is he's like, never been done.
Oh, road to summit, backto road. Crazy. As soon
as I hear that, I'm like, oh, good, we got something,
because there's only three or four hoursyou have again that that wind was
so bad, right. I wasjust happy to get to the summit and
get back down, first of allsafely, but also the fact that I

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never even thought I would even havea chance because the winds were so bad
every mountain I was climbing. Ifyou watch that first video, the minute
I literally you can't stand up right, so bad. So I was I
was like, well, okay,three or four hours. We have that
three or four hour block on thatsummit. So I had to time it
perfectly where I left fast enough whereI can get to that top where I
knew I had just enough a littlea little bit of a brand of a

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break in that weather. RO couldYeah, I could stand up and then
get down as fast as I possiblycould before the winds pick back up again.
But the part that the the theand it's one of the videos that
I saw where it looks like andI'm sure it is. I don't mean
for this the sound dumb, butthe the slope of that volcano is steep

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as hell. Yeah yeah, butyet looks really really steep. Yeah.
The big thing about that is it'sit's mostly all rock because there's the snow
is blown off. You want thesnow because it's you can climb much faster.
Real rock is to me much worsebecause it's so you could ankle.
You can break your ankle, right, can injury yourself. So you and

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I know. So it's steep,so you always have to watch for rock
fall. You have to be carefulof your steps and stuff like that.
So I much prefer the snow.But all the snow usually you have to
look for the gaps of the snowto climb that because then you can climb
faster. So, but is theas steep as it is, right yeah,
and as windy as it was,and like you said, you're you
have to be careful because it's rocksand all of that is. The wind

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is the wind, just like slammingyou up against the volcano on the way
up. Like, I gotta imaginewith that much wind, you're you're not
like, it's not a comfortable climb. No, No, it's not a
comfortable climb at all. You justgot to put your head down and go
go upwards. And I would imaginethat you don't allow it to enter your
mind at the time. But wasthere any point while you're doing that you're

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where you're scared? Oh? Yeah, I mean that's you're always doubting yourself,
you know, should I turn around? You know, always doubt in
yourself. But then you just haveto say, no, no, I'll
keep going, I'll keep going.I can do this, I can do
this. Have you ever turned aroundin the middle of a climb. Oh,
yeah, I've done. When Iwas doing some first ascents in Tibet
and first of Sense in Nepal,a couple ones. It was just too

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late in the day. It tookme longer than I thought I had to
turn around. Yeah, yeah,the but do you go all the way
down or you like, I'm gonnaturn around now, but I'm gonna finish
this tomorrow. No. Most ofthe time, yeah, some some mountains
I did that, But some moundsI'll turn them back all the way back
around and go back to camp.Yeah. Yeah, I don't set up
camps. I sent them way youknow. I always do usually from the
base of the mountain to the top. I never stood up high camps.
I just go straight up to themountain. Well, that's why I have

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that shirt tie in that says highcamps are for pussies. The Actually,
that's that's actually pretty good. Isit's like that high campus. Man,
that's a good idea. What isthe So when you got to the top
of pieces? Yeah, is thesummit cool? Yeah? I mean there

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was I know it's winds a metalcross on the top, I believe.
Yeah, I saw. I sawthat picture. That almost looks like somebody
like was like changing their tire andit looks like almost like you're trying to
loosen lugnuts. Like it's not likea big shaped out cross. It looks
like an anty bitty little metal crossthat somebody had. Yeah, you put
up there, and then you know, right, that's the summit? Yeah,
but is it? But you?Nobody else was there obviously, just

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you just me. That's the that'sthe best part, and what did you
What do you do when you getup there? I real fast, take
video all that stuff, and thenimmediately go back down. I was up
there maybe five ten minutes, justbecause it was so windy, I couldn't
you can't bask, and that there'sno mask the glory of the summit.
People think I'm gonna put your armsup. No, I didn't do any
of that. Is there any Butisn't that part of it? Though?

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Like don't you like? And maybemaybe it's because I obviously I've never done
it, but I imagine that youwant to get up to the top,
whether it's it's this or or anyof the other mountains you've been on where
you get to the top and there'sthat kind of that moment of like here
I am yeah? Is that not? Is that not? Ply? If
you could stay up there long,it mean it'd be great, right,

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but I couldn't do it, whichis so windy and I was like shaking.
So you get up there, you'rejust like, okay, I'm gonna
that's that? Was it right there? Right? It? Just take it
and then come back. I merelygo back down, so you know,
again, five five ten minutes justtake some video, and then is there
still that feeling of and maybe thefeeling of success doesn't come until you get

(18:17):
back into the car. Yeah,but is there still that feeling of I
did it? Like? Is itis? It? Is? It?
Is it an emotional moment? Yeah, for a sense. But you're right,
I mean it's never it's not overyet. You gotta get back to
the vehicle, right, So it'syeah, great, accomplish, Let's get
back. And then when you getback, then you kind of reflect on
what you did and you go,okay, great, let's go to the
next one. I'm always thinking aboutthat, you know, after I get

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back down, I'm always kind ofmotivated. Okay, let's go to the
next peak. So there's so themission or the expedition was three the three
tallest volcanoes. Yeah, back toback to back. Yeah, and then
obviously you're staying in that little hoteland having to schlep all over what like
all three of them aren't obviously thesame height? Did you small? Medium?
Large? No? I went toPC's was the first one, which

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is the second highest, and thenI was able we found another three or
four hour gap and that's was allhost That's the highest volcano in the world,
and you did that one second.I did that, yeah, second,
So I was already acclimatized, andby that time I was I was,
Yeah, I was really a comatized. I was motivated. I did
that even faster, the tallest oneyou get tall, I did faster.

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Yeah, because I was already acclimatized. I felt really good and I was
kind of I was really motivated todo it. How how long did that
take you? That took me aboutthree and a half hours to get to
the summit three and a half,three and a half hours. Yeah,
yeah, and I went again oneof those running up no no, but
you just don't stop and you're justclimbing. But I mean, you just

(19:48):
climb, but you keep going.It's amazing, now fashion go if you're
a climatized at altitude. Most people, again, you'd go slower, you
stop, you rest, But Icouldn't stop because I was climbing at night.
Right. I'll post a second videoon that on the rest of it.
But yeah, so I was climbingat night. So you just keep
motivating, keep moving, and keepmoving. And then the last part of
all hus not a lot of peoplesummit this mountain because the last part,

(20:08):
the last ten meters is straight up, and that is straight up like I
would imagine on like L Capitan orlike whatever that is. Well, it's
not just straight vertical rock where youcan't even grab a hold of it.
But it's hard scrambling, really hard. You'll see the next of it on
a probably post is on it.It's just straight up and there's ropes and

(20:29):
things like that, so I usethe ropes. But that last part is
the toughest part because you're tired,you're cold, right, the sun was
just coming up, so you thinkyou're warm, but you're not warm because
it hasn't warmed to anything yet.And then you got to do this last
part which is extremely tough, whichis but I loved it because you had
to stay really focused. You hadto ignore everything else just to get to
this last part to get up tosummit, because again I was by myself.

(20:52):
So if you fall off, that'sit, you know. And so
when you get when so you said, a lot of people don't sum itt
it do they get to just likewhere the rope saw and they're like sometime,
yeah, to get to that craterrim right, and then they see
that last part and they're too tiredor it's too late in the day.
I had left early in the day. I knew I was wicked tired,
but I was like, I haveto get up this thing, right.

(21:14):
But it was a it was achallenge. Was it Was it worth a
climb? Obviously? No? Obviously, Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's
it's always worth It's always worth theclimb, whether you summ it or not.
Any I always suggest to people climba mountain because it's it's you learn
so much from it, right whenyou So when you get up that that
straight part, straight part, Yeah, what's up? What's up? What's
up? On that summit? Anotheranother I think No, I think no,

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it's just a pole, like alittle pole with a little flag.
I gotta gotta, I gotta.You'll see it in the next video.
But uh yeah, just like alittle poles, just something in the on
the summit. It was on theChile inside. Yeah and so and you
were up there the same thing fiveten minutes. Yeah. Oh yeah,
oh that was even less. Itwas because it was so it was so
windy. I was really like holdingon to a rock and I'm filming.

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Oh, this is great and you'llsee and my hands just shaking. I'm
just like summit summit. Oh yeah, no arms were raised. Now this
is still it's below zero. It'sone hundred mile an hour winds. It
was so bad. It was sobad. So I was literally hold non
and I had my hand wrapped aroundin one of the ropes and I'm just

(22:23):
filming. Yeah, you'll you'll seeit in the next failure. It's pretty
pretty funny. But the so wouldn'tIt wasn't funny at the time. I
wasn't. I wasn't laughing. Thisis great, it's gonna be great footage
the the so that then you haveto come down and you make it down.
You make it down the mountain interms of like comparing those two was

(22:45):
one more. Oh but before that, you said that you you would climbed
all night. Yeah, you're theonly one out there. I'm assuming that
that they haven't set up stadium lightingso you can see where you're going.
It's a great Yeah, I gotlost. That was the whole thing,
because there also going up. Igot lost. There is a trail on
all hass but I couldn't. Ihad a little light. I couldn't see

(23:07):
it, so I got lost.So I just said, screw it.
I just went straight up the faceto the crater Rim instead of going around
to the right side because I justgot lost. I was like, well,
I know if I just go straightup, I know, if I'm
going up, I'm gonna get thereeventually, because I just I just said,
you know, I can't. I'mnever gonna find this. Trailer's no
way I'm gonna find it. SoI just went straight up the So what
kind of like, like what kindof light do you have headlamp? Oh?

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Okay, so like a little minersthing, Yeah, like a little
miners right, but that thing's blowingall over the place. No, it's
pretty stable. But the thing isyou can only see this little gap.
So and you think, oh,is this the root? And this the
root? So you end up followingthe root. And I was like,
this is not right because this couldbring me over here. I just let's
get to the summit. Let's getI know, the crater rims up there.
So I just started going straight upthe face and literally, and it
is it's not just dark, itis black as night. It's black as

(23:52):
night. Yeah. Yeah, itwasn't many stars out that night. Maybe
it was. Yeah, I meanI was just waiting for that for the
sun to come up. That thatfalse sound stuff. I'll warm you up
because I was just literally just shaking, shaky, gotta keep moving ye.
In the meantime, Yeah, Elliott'sdown in the truck smoking. I think

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maybe it was. I don't know. All right, so let me do
this. I gotta take a quickbreak. But I want I want to
get to the third volcano. Iwant to learn about Crater Rims. Then
there's a couple of other things Ihave to get back into. So let
me do this quick quick break morewith Sean Birch next, and there's some
place like in Italy I can go. Sean and I are trying to figure

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out where we're gonna tandem. Doyou like Wine Country? I started with
the W and O D trail alongsixty six for a hike. No,
no, but that's where we're startand then just walk to the high peak
climate. What's the place? What'sthe place you mentioned in Colorado that you
want me to move to? Albert. Elbert's the highest highest peak in Colorado

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and during the summer it's pretty mucha walk up my son when he was
on the last Yeah. Yeah,him and I did that. We did
that and again in a couple hours. Yeah. No, And that sounds
awesome. But I need I needsomething a little more exotic, Like I
don't want to say like, oh, I went mountain climbing with Sean Bert.
You want snow. So they're like, oh, oh, you went
with Sewan. Where'd you go?Oh uh Colorado? Yeah? Like this

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outside Denver. No, I don't, but I don't know mountains. I
know, but I'm not. We'renot going to reaving in the United States.
We can do the MLA if youwant, do a couple of those
peaks, a couple there's a coupleof trekking peaks, but there's still snow.
Can I get that in in aweekend? No? Oh, it
takes a day and a half justto get to Katman do and then you

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gotta climatize. You're tough, man. I know what you want to do
something in a weekend. You don'twant to go to Colorado? Nothing in
the States. I don't know.I don't know anything in the States.
I know until you said that fourteenin the in the United States, there's
ones in California ones in Colorado.Colorado has got so many difference to choose
from. Is it crowded, No, No, it depends on when you

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go. That's the whole thing isyou don't want the crowd. But you
know, I only like to goin the middle of the night. I
just need a little I know,I know you like a challenge, and
I will provide that for you thethe now. So so let's go back
to argent Argentina. The you youwere very kind. You took a picture
on on PC's holding up not wearingbut holding up a an elliot in the

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morning shirt. That's right, Whichis that's awesome? Like that, that's
great, that's great. The andall I could think of is how cold
are your hands now taking that picturebecause you don't have gloves on or anything.
Yeah. I took the gloves offfor the picture and then got in
the call. But the truck wasright by there. Oh yeah, yeah,
the guy took the picture. Icame back down. He was like,
I was like, all right,let's get in there. I was

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like no, just before we go, either shirt was in the truck because
I didn't take it up with meagain. Twelve ounce twelve ounces. So
were you like twelve ounces are you? Are you that specific about what what
you're what you're climbing with. Yeah, I mean if you if you're thinking
your life is in your own hands, twelve ounces mean something. So I'm
sorry Elliott I had to wait tono. No, not at all,
but like in my head, itdoesn't like that doesn't know, that doesn't

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register to me. Yeah, yeah, every every every little bit matters to
me, especially when you're climbing byyourself at altitude. Right, Why why
bring the extra weight because you canclimb faster. So I want to climb
as fast as I possibly can andget back down, especially with the wind.
Right and you're already wearing you saidwhat six six layers? Yeah,

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yeah, a full time you know, usually have a big layer on.
You take it off because you wantto climb cold. Always climb cold.
You don't want to climb hot becausethen you sweat and then it gets really
trapped in. Yes, you alwaystry to climb cold. If you're climbing
an altitude, you want to climbcold. Yeah. So I was like,
I'll take this off, but hejust kept getting it was just I
couldn't I couldn't stop shaking. Ihad just said, Oh, I gotta
keep moving, I gotta go faster. Is it if you're wearing six layers?

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Is it? Is it hard tomove? Like? I feel like
that's like you got a crap tonof there's a real like the high tech
stuff. I mean, it's real, like you can still move. Oh
yeah, oh again yeah or finishyeah, finish yeah. Layers. You
were talking about layers just to getthrough the layers. Yeah, Okay,
I got you. But now thepicture, which a damn I think that's

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awesome. I think that's great thatyou did that. I can't believe that
you did that. The is itlike, so I'm looking over your shoulder
in the picture, like that's partof the that's part of the mountain.
That's part of the mountain. Thevolcano, Yeah, part of the volcano.
Correct piece when you get to thethe because what is the I don't
know the name of it, thevolcano that's erupting right now in Iceland where

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and it's like spewing lava and stufflike that. When you get to the
tops of these and maybe maybe youcouldn't because of how windy it was and
how cold it was and everything like, can you can you like, well,
I was gonna say, can youeven can you even look look down
at Yeah? These a dormant butyeah you can like an all host You
saw the crater rim, so youknow exactly where the volcano. But these

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are all dormant volcanoes. They ina while, but you are. But
you're literally standing on the lip onthe crater rim. Yeah, and you
can see down into the into thevolcano. Have you ever and I understand
that they're that they're dormant. Haveyou ever or is there climbing that's done
where you go inside the volcano?No, usually go on a crater rim
and then go to the Yeah,if you go down, it's not gonna
be in the summit. So usuallygo around. Like when I was on

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a climb of peak coat of POxyand Ecuador, and you could smell this
all for when you got oh nokid, Yeah, but these you could
you couldn't. No, No,so much wind. Maybe maybe you could,
I don't know, but I didn't. Uh it was so windy.
But yeah, they're a dorm Idon't think there's any No, there's nothing.
The so the shirt just laid inthe truck the whole time, right,
I folded it nicely and then broughtit out and said, hey,

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dude, take a picture, soyou didn't run into anybody else. That
was like, oh dude, Ilistened exactly. Well, I'm glad you
brought that up. This is funny. So when I get back to Mendosa,
I only bring two sets of clotheswith me because again wait, right,
So by the time I got backto Mendoza, those who have been
trashed completely. So I had oneclean shirt, which was Elliott in the

(30:07):
morning. So I got back toMendoza and I had to leave the next
day, so I went out.I was gonna get some beers just to
celebrate, and I was walking andI hear this, uh, this guy
go allah allah and he's coming rightat me, Devertito, Devertito. I'm
like, what, I you know? He gets closer, de Bertito,

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and then he points at Elliott atthe at your name goes de Bertito and
starts it, starts laughing, differTito and then just walks away. So
I found out. I found outwhat Divertito was. It means funny I
music. I think I think hegot some fans. Yeah, I think
he listens how he gots it eitherkilling it in Mendoza and Mendesa. As
I say, so, I goeither either he's a fan or he's laughing

(30:53):
at me. So I like tothink that he's actually a fan of the
Elliott in the Morning Show. SoI was like, Oh, I gotta
tell this app you got the app? He's got something. How's this guy?
Of course he was a he wasa little drunk, and he was
he was a little homeless. SoI don't know, by the way,
that could be a factor as well. I had a sweet spot for me.

(31:15):
I don't know whether yeah, drunkethomeless is my sweet spot. I
think this guy looks like an Elliottfan because I know that type because I'm
that type. So I was like, okay, the same shirt, bro,
same shirt, laughs at me andthen just walks away. So I'm
like, all right, well thereyou go, Hey, will you will
you explain? Tyler? Tyler askeda question during the break that I thought

(31:37):
was good and I actually misinterpreted it. The guy who drives, the guy
in the truck who's like schlepping youall over the place. You get out
of the car, you're gonna gothree and a half, four, five,
six hours. You're you're you're goingup the the volcano or up the
mountain or whatever whatever we call it. Right, the tyler was like,
do you have the Tyler's question wasdo you have an arrangement with the driver?

(31:57):
Now I interpret that that the guy'sgonna pull a prank and he's gonna
he's leaving you like see you later. It didn't I but I think what
what Tyler was saying is what ifyou don't come back? Like, how
long does that? Dude? Like? What is the like? What do
you do? Yeah, we usuallymake arrangements because you get so high that
you can't communicate. We have theradios right to a radio, so he

(32:21):
said, you know, we dousually a specific time, like by three
o'clock. If he doesn't hear fromme at least I'm coming down or something
like that, then he starts toget worried. As far as we play
or no, he's gonna come getme. That's a total another store.
But by three o'clock he gets worried. By five, he's really worried.

(32:45):
By seven o'clock, he's super worried. By ninety leaves because there's nothing like
this. That's too bad. Youcan't you can't. There's no one there
to call and say, hey,you know, get a getting mountain rangers.
There's there's nothing, there's no onethere. Literally, there's nothing in
there. There was no one therebecause of so many knowings even on the
mountains, so there's not even acamp set up. There's nothing like that.

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But like when you're backing that inin Mendoza, are there are there
other Sean birches there who are likewaiting for the weather to break or like
are you are you literally like aman on your own? Yeah. Mendosa
is a major city, so there'sI mean again, it takes a day
and a half just to get tothat hosti era. But the people at
the hotel are mostly it's mining camp, so it's mostly guys that work in

(33:27):
the Chilean mining camps that stay there. Right, So there's a couple different
mountaineers. I met a couple ofpeople at the at the refugee huts,
the wrap unt, the huts thatyou have that people stay at, right,
I got you, I gotcha.The oh you know what is that
is that Mendoza right there? Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, that's nice.
That's not what I expected. Know. Why you fly into Mendosa and

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then you start, Yeah, youstart driving north. So again, like
I said, day and a halfto get to this main are, it's
like a high plateau. It's it'suh in the Andes. It's like almost
like when I was on the Tibetplateau. So it's very high. So
you're like what ten thousand feet andfrom there that's when you start and you
can see out in the volcanoes,the different volcanoes. Is there anywhere you
haven't been that, like, isstill on your list of like I don't
mean particular like mountains or or orvolcanoes or whatever, but just places that

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you haven't been. Yeah, Antarctica. I would love to be an Artica,
but it's so expensive. The whatwhat part? Why is it so
expensive? Well, Antarctica's down there, you know. I don't I don't
want to just like what do youwant to do? I don't want to
take a boat trip. I wantto climb mountains. So yeah, you
have to get to the interior,right, Okay, because you've run,

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you you did a marathon on theNorth Pole that you've done. I did
that, Yeah, there's my firstand only marathon. I didn't want to.
Uh, I wasn't really interested inmarathons. But a marathon at the
North Pole interested in me because Ihad never been to North Pole, and
I get to kill two birds ofone stone. So I go, I'll
go there and I'll run a marathon. Let's see what happens. So I
was fortunate. I won the raceand then broke the world record, so

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I wasn't expecting that. But Iwasn't expecting the drunk rushing afterwards, the
drunk naked rushing afterwards. But Ididn't end up wait a minute. So
you would never run a marathon atall? Never? Never do you like?
But like in part of your trainingand fitness every day? Do you
are? You? Are you anavid runner? No? I don't like
to run the thing. But beforeI left, I ran for two hours

(35:20):
on a treadmill just to see whatit would feel like. And I was
like, oh, I could dothis. That's your only training for a
marathon. It was two hours ona treadmill, two hours before a week
before I left. And then Igot there, and then you had to
I wore we were wearing snow shoes, right, so we had to run
in snow shoes. I'd never donethat, so I just put this.
We put the snow shoes on before. Again, my intention was not to
win the race, was more like, all right, let's just experience what

(35:44):
it feels like to run at theNorth Pole and run a marathon. But
then I was running, I waslike, Wow, I'm actually doing pretty
good. And then when I passedthe guy that you know, I was
in the front, so I justhad a mantra. I was like,
no one's going to pass me now, and I just kept going faster because
really really cold at the North Pole. So when you're running like and again,
you you're not expected to do anything. At some point where you're like

(36:07):
hot, damn, I'm look atme on towards the front and at some
point everybody's behind you, and you'venever done this before, never done before.
It was like a loop. God, people must hate you. Yes,
No, I don't think so.I don't know, to each his
own, but I don't know whythey would hate me if I'm winning the
race because done this before. Thisjackass. Oh he was on a treadmill

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for two hours. Yeah, Iknow, but you don't talk about it.
Before you race, you know,you just kind of run the race.
And afterwards he's like, oh,yeah, well, this is my
first marathon. I'm not going todo another one. You know that you'll
never do another marathon. No,that doesn't interest me. And there's a
lot of people like, you know, marathons, and that's great, but
I like climbing mountains, right,yeah, First, what was who's the
drunk Russian in the in the NorthPole? Oh? All right, So

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they have a big ten set upat the North North Pole, and so
after the runners finished the race,you go in there and there's this guy
who's the camp head, and itwas a Russians. The Russians run the
whole base called Borneo, So heruns the whole base and you think he's
drinking vodka, but he was drinkingfrom these five gallon things. He was
drinking kannak. So we came inand he said, do shot. So

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I was the first one. Ishot. He goes no, yeah,
He's like yeah, he's like armwrestle. So I'm like, this is
some Russian thing. So we startedarm wrestling and every guy who came in
he would challenge them in arm wrestling. But every time he arm wrestled with
somebody. He would take off apiece of clothing. I don't know why
not win or lose, he wouldjust he would take it off. Yeah,
I let him win because I'm like, you know, this guy,

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this guy holds this is a Russian. He's ahead of the camp. So
the entire time people started coming in, he just kept We just kept drinking
and drinking and drinking. So bythe last time, the last guy to
come in was the BBC photographer andby that time, the drunk the Russian
was down onto his skivvies and he'slike, come in, you know,
I'm gonna arm wrestle you. Andthe BBC photographer been out there. It

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was cold, it was really tired, right, and the guy was like
what So we had a couple ofshots. Meanwhile, you know, so
the BBC photographer after a couple ofshots, he was drunk as hell.
So they start arm wrestling, andthe BBC photographer didn't know to let him
win, so he was like beatinghim. So the Russian guy saw this
just when he punched him in thenose, broke his nose. People start

(38:29):
flailing. Other Russians come in andI'm sitting there. You know, by
that time, I was so wastedoff. Yeah, and I was like,
you know, only at the NorthPole, right, It's like the
only way that this could happen atthe North Pole. Guy's drunk, he's
naked, running around. I gotgreat pictures of it. I should send
you a couple of those. Idefinitely was, I was definitely taking pictures
down. But is that is that? I mean I don't assume that every

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place is the drunk Russian at theNorth Pole, But is there, like,
is there like in your travels allaround the world, all over the
place? Like to me, thatalso seems like that's part of it,
like the mountain climbing in the inthe drive and the not even the records,
but to do stuff to push yourselfand stuff that's never been done.
But like, is the cultural partof it? Like there's serious culture,

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but then also like the fun partof it, Like do you get to
take part in that a lot?Oh? Yeah, I mean I always
always go with locals for logistics.I never go with Western companies. I
always go with locals. Oh reallyalways. Yeah, It's it's tough for
That's one of the things I speakabout leadership with my executive workshops and stuff
like that. Because you have agroup of people a lot of most of

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them don't speak English. Maybe oneguy speaks broken English. So how do
you lead them on this expedition,whether it's crossing the pall or whether it's
climbing first ascents? How do youget them motivated to do that? But
within that, yes, you dealwith a lot of culture. Most of
it's good, but you know,I have instances like adia yak herders and
China that came in my ten attwo o'clock in the morning with knives looking

(39:58):
to rob me and stuff like that. So you always have serious Oh yeah,
oh yeah, so you always havea yak herder. Is is exactly
what I think it is? Yeah, Yeah, they're out, Yeah,
they're out in the high Tibet andplate uh Plateau. And at two o'clock
in the morning, here the zipand I had my ice ACKs with me,
and I'm like, well it doesn'tsound you know, my my cook
shouldn't be coming in here, youknow, right, And it was these

(40:20):
yakkers. They came in with knives. So what did you do who?
I started swinging the ice ACKs athim and they started running. I got
I got, I got out,and I started screaming. And then my
cook came out and had uh andhis and his and his underwear and had
rocks and started throwing in the rocksat him. Chased him down the hill.
Yeah, chased them away. Andso where did they like? They

(40:42):
just took off. They took off, and they came back in there,
and and they came they the guycame back and says, I talked to
him. They said they just wantedto know what was who was in the
tent. I was like, attwo o'clock in the morning, they want
to know who was in the tent. So obviously they had come to rob
me, which again, you haveto do you have anything of value?
I had my camera equipment things likethat, yeah, and stuff. So

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yeah, but I get it,you know, they have nothing, So
yeah, they're curious. They're gonnatest it, right, and so,
but you know, I'm kind ofused to that. I've had that,
you know, going into villages andthings like that with guys who you know,
the gang up on you and theyfollow you and they yeah, the
you know, it's weird when becauseit didn't dawn on me. But but
now like you're saying, like theguy who drove you in in in Argentina,

(41:27):
he could have three buddies in acar up the road. You have
no idea, Yeah, you haveno idea. I mean yeah, was
that always in your mind though?Yeah? But yes, that's why logistics
is so tough. I mean,I vetted a lot of people. Got
to this guy. His guy isa super guy, and he is also
a really good mountaineer, so hewe had we could speak the lifestyle,
so we had a lot of thingsin common. He'd climbed on Everest,

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he'd climb lt Se and one ofthe really good Argentina mountain climbers. So
once you get that, then Ifelt pretty good. But I was nervous
coming over there, just because againI don't know I'd given them money,
right, and I give them halfthe money, so you always have to
worry about that going with locals.But you know, it turned out to
be a good guy. These dudejust came into your tent in the middle

(42:09):
of the night. Three guys,three three yak herders. Jesus Christ.
Yeah, And by the way,you have to get through all that and
then still go climb or whatever itis the next day. Yeah, yeah,
uh uh uh uh. That's partof the fun, that's part of
life is adventure and as you know, and that's it. You got to

(42:30):
expect if things go smoothly, andnever go smoothly. You have to know
that going in that things are notgoing to go right. Right again,
when I got to Argentina, theentire day they were like twenty days.
We've never seen anything like this,high winds, there's no chance, right,
And I was like, oh mygod, so you know again getting
in the press and then find okay, there's three or four hours. How
can we manage this expedition? Howcan I still pull something out of this

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to make it worth my motivation?Right? And then that's how I came
up with, you know, climbingat night, doing road to summit,
back to road. That was theonly thing we could do because you could
not set up tense because they getblown away and there's only vehicle and like
you said, nothing ever goes asplanned like there, you you can't control
it. Something's always gonna something isalways gonna go wrong. The wait,

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So okay, so the Antarctica youwant to go to, is there a
mountain that's still out there that youhaven't climbed that you want to climb.
Well, mostly I liked I liketo climb first ascents. So there's always
mountains around the world that stub themand climb. So that's the I love
doing that. I've climbed like onehundred and forty hundred and sixty of those
one hundred and sixty first around aroundthe world. Yeah, yeah, is

(43:35):
that is that maybe something you andI should look at? I think,
so, how much would you hateme? I feel I'd be short roping
you I had, I'd be pullingyou up. Come on in here?
Come on? Is am I supposedto come to this? Yeah, you'd
have one of those things with beeron you get about the mountain. Come

(43:58):
on, alien. No, Butlike even when you were talking about like
how focused you have to be inthe whole thing, I got to imagine
that even if even if like somebodyexperience was with you, there's no there's
really no small talk that's taken placewhen you're when you're Yeah, exactly,
And that's where reasoning R. Idon't want to climb with other people because
you not only have to worry aboutyour own life, you'd have to worry
about their lives because if especially ifyou're grouped together. So if he trips

(44:21):
and falls and stumbles down, he'sgonna take me with him, right,
So I'm my My thing is alwayslike I can depend on myself. If
some bad happens, I can livewith it because it's on me, right,
I can live with that. Soif something bad happens, I can
live with that because it's on me. But if something bad happens to somebody
else takes me with him, thatwould eat at me. You know.
I learned that earlier in the gamewhen I started climbing. I started climbing

(44:44):
with other climbers and I noticed.I was like, they're not doing this
right, They're not doing and Iwas like, no, no, I'm
gonna start doing solo. The doyou know? Do you know what your
do you know what your next Iknow you're not gonna tell me, but
do you know what your next expeditionis? Taking Elliott No first a cent
in Argentina. That's my goal,That's all. It's a lofty goal.

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What about the what about that thirdvolcano? Yeah? You know, now
that I've mentioned it, though,I think maybe someone's going to probably try
to do it. Maybe, Idon't know. I've thought about going back
and going back to the guy whowas yelling at de Vertino. I heard
him mentioned the third volcano. Whydo we go do that one? Yeah
we could, Yeah, it's it'svery remote. We could do that,

(45:31):
and not many people climb that evenless people climb that one because they're all
so remote. But this one's reallyround. And that was the reason why
we didn't do it, is becausewe didn't have enough time right for the
wind to go to make the goodall the way there, and then the
wind's gonna be too bad. Wouldn'tbe able to climb it, right.
But something like that that doesn't eatat you. It's not like you did
no, no, you know,yeah, the entire time back I kept

(45:52):
going, you know, we couldhave. We could have at least tried.
He was like, no, no, no, no, no,
We've done all we could. Butyeah, it's still it still eats at
me because I was I was readyto go. I was ready to go,
especially after o Host. I feltreally we felt good after that.
I felt really good. You know, you feel tired after get back down,
but the next it's amazing to Iforget back down, You're really tired,

(46:14):
you're sore. But the next morningI get up and I'm just like,
let's go right f I'm another one. Yeah, the I want to
ask you. So there was athere was a story that I held on
too, from a couple of daysago. This go back to Mount Everest.
Maybe it was a week or soago. They were talking about a
new record had been set of theyoungest person ever to base camp and I

(46:35):
think it was a four year oldgirl. Let me check she was either
four or five. Yeah, fouryear old girl became the youngest person to
reach Everest base camp. Are peoplegetting stupid? Yeah, that's pretty what's
the point, you know, what'sthe point a four year old to go
to seventeen thousand, six hundred feetI don't understand, because there had been

(46:55):
a five year old that had doneit, so maybe it was to break
that record. I wonder if theydid it all themselves. They are the
parent I'm sure the parents were.Well, sure they weren't by themselves.
Well, they probably carried them someparts of the way, I would I
assume maybe not, but I yeah, I mean that's the part that gets
crazy on these mountains. That's whyI don't go back to Everest and things

(47:15):
like that is because it just getsmore crazy and crazy every year. I
mean, there was more deaths lastyear on everythan that ever before, and
I expect it will continue. Themore deaths, it seems that attracts more
people. And that's why I likedoing first a sents because no one's there
and that's the whole to me,that's the whole point of mountaineering, is
just you and the mountain and nature. That's that's the beauty of it.

(47:36):
But I feel like, like justkind of echoing on what you said,
you hear that of if there wasa year where there was nothing out of
Everest, and I mean this isa horrible thing to say, but if
there was nothing out of Everest,the excitement's gone, Like it's almost the
you know, I gotta be there, Yeah, be forgotten. Yeah.
Yeah, So again the deaths andthe you know, the mystery at all,

(47:59):
which to me, there is nomystery. I mean, I knew
the mountain well before I even climbedit, and that was twenty over twenty
years ago. I knew the wholeroute before I even got there. It
was in my memory, so youknow, I knew the way, but
uh, yeah, but it bringsout the brings out the yahoos man for
sure. The yeah, because thatthat seems young, like four years old,
Like what do you need to bethere? Yeah? Absolutely, there's

(48:20):
no point of doing that. Idon't I but nothing surprises me these days.
But you know, you know thepart that kind of sucks though,
And I can't say that I getit because I'm I'm not going to go
there. We're not climbing that together. The there's still something though about saying
you stood on top of the worldlike like that just seems like it would
be such an awesome thing to do, is to be able to stand on

(48:42):
top of the world where there's noplace hired to stand like that still seems
it seems magical to me. Yeah, but that was another thing we talked
about earlier, is that when Isummoned it, you had no view.
It was really cloud it was reallywindy. Right, So again, I
got this up, was up theremaybe three minutes, got a couple of
pictures, and when back down Ididn't even I was just trying to stay
alive because I wasn't climbing with supplementaryoxygen. So when I got back down.

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I didn't really basking it until Igot flown out because I you know,
I had frost bited on my feet, had run out to to Catman
Do. And once I was incat Men Do, took care of my
toes, wrapped them up. ThenI started going wow, okay, wow,
this is pretty cool. I didit. Yeah. Yeah, it
was a goal. I mean Ihad the goal for four years. I
trained for four years. I wantedto climb alone. I wanted to you
know, had a specific style.I wanted to climbing in. So once

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that is all done, then youcan look back and say, okay,
cool, it's great, you know. But then and then I thought that'd
be it. But then that's whenit kind of started, was like what
else can I do? You know? That's when I started going to get
into the North Pole and climbing allaround the world. Like so when you
look back at all the what'd yousay, one hundred and sixty mountains or
something a hundred something like that,first of sense is there is there is
there is there a favorite mountain thatyou've climbed, uh first ascents? No,

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just at all? Like like whenyou when you think back in the
catalog of everything that you've climbed.Yeah, you know, like you know
what, Well, that's my numberone so far. Well, for the
longest time people asked me that Ididn't know, but it actually turned out
to be Everest because once I hadEver's goal for four years, and I
thought, once I climbed Everest,I could go home, get a job,

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get it, you know, geta wife to the nine. You
know, I'll be satisfied. ButI found out I wasn't satisfied. I
wanted more and more and more.So I realized that that that's not the
happiness. The happiness comes from withinyourself. Happiness within yourself. So that's
why I learned the most so tome, but that it took me fifteen
years even to realize that. Sothat's to me, that's the biggest lesson

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I learned was the fact that,yeah, you can do all these physical
things, but that's not where happinesscomes in your life. Happiness comes from
within yourself. And how do yougain that happiness? And once you have
that, then everything else becomes evenbetter. Do you ever think were there
Obviously there'll be a time where youcan't do this anymore. No, that's
not going to happen. I getthat out. You know, you're you're

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getting older and you won't be ableto do this longer. I'm like,
what are you talking about. It'slike, I'm gonna do this as long
as I possibly. You're gonna climba mountain and you're one of those healthy,
crazy people that will live to likeone hundred and ninety. I hope.
So that's the goal. Is itreally well to live, not one
hundred and ninety, to live tobe fit and then just I told my

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son one day, I'm just gonnakind of see you later. I'm gonna
mozey off on a peak and thenjust not come back to me. That's
a that's a nice ending. That'snot how you're gonna go. I'm still
we're not gonna go. I'm notgonna go sitting at a at an arrest
home or something like that. Thisis not my style. I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna climb a mountain.I'm not gonna go quite. No,
I'm not gonna climb a mount butI'm I'm not gonna just sit there.

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I'm gonna go off and I thinkand be as of now right, you
know, I mean, things couldchange, right, right, but go
off in nature and then just kindof sit down and taking the views.
Yeah, I mean that's that,thought about that, thought about that.
Yeah, and they get hungry andno. No, by that time,
I hopefully will be old enough thatit will come quickly. But yeah,

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I've just through through experience. Youknow. My stepfather meant a lot to
me, had dementia by dementia,and then I deal a lot of time
with him. I took care ofhim, helped my mother take care of
him, and I saw how slowlyhe died. Sure, and I don't
want that to happen to me.I don't want. I don't, I
don't. I don't want to goout that way because he was a real
walk No, I know, Iknow, but I've already made the decision

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if if it comes to that,I'm gonna want my son to or whoever
I'm with or whatever, that ifI happen to get remarried or something like
that, that to take care ofme in that way. I want to
be able to go out the wayI've always wanted to go out, and
and and that hopefully, I meanagain, things change. That'll be the
time we get roped together. Yeah, I like, I want to go

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back Elliott because son had to comeout here to die. Helly, that's
what this is. The mountain goingon. You probably be going thank thank
you, thank you, Lord.Sorry buddy, you're going down with me.
Thank god I brought cigarettes. Exactly. Let's smooke as we go.
As we go out. You likethat sunset, that's the last one you're

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going to see. Pow. That'dbe kind of glorious, wouldn't it be?
Yeah, that's yeah, think aboutthat. You want to climb with
me now because that might be inthe back of your mind. Hey,
Shawn said, what are these couldbe the last? Exactly? Is this
it? The all these years Iwas nice and then this is how I
get paid back? All right?Sean Birch go to Sean Birch dot com

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for all things Sean related, allthe videos and so. The videos are
fascinating. The videos are great.It's unbelievable to to watch Ice Fall Doctors
is still on demand, fantastic seriesall on the the the Sherpas and the
The Icefall Doctors on on Everest.What else do I have to plug anything

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else? No? No, I'mjust doing executive leadership workshops and keynote speaking.
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