October 8, 2025 • 37 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Bob Ross thing that came out yesterday where they're
going to auction off a bunch of his paintings, and
I guess it's for to raise isn't it to raise
funds for like like national public television stations or something.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Like that, losing their funding, right, Which is fine.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I mean, that's a good way to make money.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I get that, that's fine, But can I can I
ask this, like I never watched Bob Ross back in
the day. Obviously I know who he is, and I
know what his shtick is and the whole thing, but
I was never into Bob Ross, like, not even like, hey,
let's get high and watch Bob Ross like it was
just never part of our wheelhouse, did Bob Ross? And
(00:39):
they expect that these these these what do you call them?
I know, I don't want to say pictures paintings are
going to make a lot of money, but obviously they're
also going to make a lot of money because of
the cause that they're going for.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That will add to it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And I'm not diminishing the value of the painting, but
it will raise extra money because people who are going
to do it are going to do it also in
part to help fund Yes, charity, Yeah, so I do
understand that. But did back in the day, did Bob
Ross paint a lot of paintings?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh? God?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like what his total catalog? Would a mass? I have
no idea.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Here's what I want to know. Could I find anybody
who owns a Bob.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Ross like a reprint?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I think you could, only because isn't that what the
documentary was about?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I never saw it. I never saw it either, But
wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
How he never sold his stuff unless it was for
charity or fundraising, but his estate completely after his death?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hortum? Yes, are you serious?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I never saw the documentary, but I believe that wasn't
wasn't the subtitle like Greed and Lies or something like that?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh? Christma, did you see? Did you say?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
So?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Were there? What's that?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Can you?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Can you turn yourself on while you're doing that? If
anybody owns one or know somebody who owns one?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Please eight six six to Elliott eight six six two
three five five four six eight You watched the documentary?
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Yeah? So my family. I grew up watching like the
reruns on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Right by the way, I don't even know like when
when it started. I know I honestly know very little
about Bob Ross. Then I know well who he is
and what his stick is. But that's about it. Mid eighties,
mid nineties, and I shouldn't even call it shtick, like
he is an artist.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Stick came off a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, no, no, and I don't mean it that way, but
like I know what his bid is, like he draws
or he paints, so anyway you would watch reruns or repeats.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
Yes, when I was little, my like early in the morning,
waking up, my dad would have a cup of coffee
and then we'd just sit and watch the paintings.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Every day or like that was like weekends, right.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
And then that in this old house.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
But then I watched so my two of so there's
four of us kids, the three of us, the younger three,
me and the other two. We used to have a
tradition around Christmas time where we would get together and
do our own Bob Ross paintings while watching the Netflix.
He used to have like thirty minute episodes on Netflix.
(03:15):
I don't think it's on there anymore, right, But it
would take us hours during this thirty minute session because
we were creating our own paintings of what we thought
was that.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What's going on on TV?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Right?
Speaker 8 (03:28):
So?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Which was he a teacher on the show?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Instruct Yeah, okay, all right, sorry.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
So then this documentary came out. I forget when it
came out, but it just talks about after he passed
how his like family got screwed over by I think
it was his family, family, friend or a partner they
screwed him out.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
And if I remember the warehouse where all the paintings
are stored some is it up in? Is it Evanston?
I don't remember. It's either Chicago or out in Herndon.
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I know they're too Chicago.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
He either he either has a place in Sacramento or resting.
Remember I can't remember which one would I like Chicago?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Milwaukee? No, no, no, no, Herndon.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
There is no way.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So you're telling me all of Bob Ross's paintings are
off sixty six in Herndon or the toll Road.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Or I'm completely wrong, which is more than likely correct.
But I remember I lived near the warehouse of where
they were stored at one point in my life Herndon.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Wouldn't we know that if all of his stuff was
in Herndon wouldn't we know that.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We didn't know about the monkeys? That is true, That
is true.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
But yeah, they were stored in a warehouse.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And so but were there a lot of them?
Speaker 9 (04:54):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
And if I remember, there's no two paintings.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Hold on Diane, Diane's coming out of versus, which means
one of two things, either as she has found something
important to this or Francine is now gone.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yes, Diane, Uh, she's right?
Speaker 10 (05:09):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
On which one somewhere off Route fifty in Herndon?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Are you serious? Yes, that's where all Bob Ross's stuff is. Uh,
No way.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Bob Ross incorporated the company that manages the late artist's
legacy and holds most of his original paintings in warehouses
in Herndon, Virginia.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Dude, all of his stuff is in Herndon. How many
times have I driven by all of his works? Countless?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But did they wore him out afterwards? Like after he died?
Were they like, let's just start selling?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I don't feel like you other than the Herndon part.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I don't feel like you really nailed much of this documentary.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
But I do know there's no no two paintings are
the same.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I believe that. Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 11 (05:55):
All right.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I now I need okay, I need somebody who owns
a bob Ross. I thought that would be it. Does
anybody know about these warehouses in Herndon? Please wait, yes, Kristen.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
I also feel like, oh God, somebody the person who
screwed him and his family in the estate, over right.
I believe she tried to replicate and sold the fakes
or something.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
It was really messy, okay.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Like I have a bunch of.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Like his little bobbleheads and stuff. But I know that
in like the calendars, I'll bring them in. But I
know all of that money that is spent.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Calendars like this is nineteen eighty four. Fascinating.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
My mom keeps the at a glance. They tell a story, Diane,
I've been over.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
This, okay, all right, very good, very good?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Eight six six to Elliott eight six six two three
five five four six eight. Somebody who's got a bob
Ross or somebody who knows about these warehouses in Herndon, Virginia.
What a what a thank God? We went to Kristen, and.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I guess Channel four here did a story where they
interviewed the family that owns Bob Ross Incorporated. Because after
that documentary came out and they were like disputing it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So was there was there nobody else? Again, I know
very little about Bob Ross, but was there there was
there nobody else that could run the business?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Like does he have? Was there?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like he keeps talking about like the guy who's running
Bob Bob Ross Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Sounds like he's a bad person. There was nobody else,
But it's kind of like what's going on with Peter Max.
I was just gonna ask if it's similar.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Except that that's Bob Ross died right and was still Yes,
he had lymphoma from smoking, thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
No, he wasn't heal. Yeah, he was a chainsmoker smoker.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, so he even though he was in his fifties,
I believe, Oh he was young, early fifties. Most people
don't realize Russ died ninety five. They think he died
much later because you only saw him in what looked
like reruns. Yeah, right, so you didn't realize. I think
the show basically ended when he died. A year or
two before he died.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh yeah, but the reruns have been going.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
If you would have said, Bob rose the early nineties,
I would have said, like twenty eighteen exactly, I think
most people would.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
So with Peter Max like, he's just I know, it's horrible,
unable to He's still alive. But Bob Ross couldn't do anything.
He wasn't with us anymore. There's a lot of money
to be made. He had According to the Smithsonian, he
painted over thirty thousand works.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Wow, okay, but that's what I was going to say.
And these these paintings will go for a lot, and
they should. I understand the funding and the charity and
everything back up ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
If I wanted to get a Bob Ross, is.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That one thousand dollars? Is it ten thousand dollars? Is
it one hundred thousand dollars? Is it a million dollars?
Like I'm not getting a rem Brandt.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I don't know how much an original would cost.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And how you know what, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. In
twenty six years, how have I never known that those
pictures were stored down in Virginia?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That is embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
This is the auction of the thirty paintings that they're
going to do for public broadcasting. Have an estimated total
value anywhere from eight hundred and fifty grand to one
point four million dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So let's just say total value a million for thirty. Yeah,
so what's a million divided by thirty?
Speaker 11 (09:35):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You don't have to do it in your head. You
can take your shoes off.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Hi, Elliott the Morning. Hello, Oh damn it? They own three?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Really?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
By the way, are we shooting? Are we shooting in
a barrel with more people here? Because they're all housed
here own Bob Ross's.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Just because they're stored here doesn't mean that there easily.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That's a good point. That is a good point. Where
am I going? Line six? Damn it? That guy owned three? Hi,
Yellie of the Morning.
Speaker 12 (10:09):
Yes, this is me, Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (10:12):
This is Jimmy from New Kent County.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yes, sir, what can I do for you?
Speaker 13 (10:15):
My grandmother had to Bob Ross paintings when we were
growing up, are you.
Speaker 11 (10:22):
Yes?
Speaker 13 (10:22):
This is back in the early eighties. So yes, he
had two in the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Oh how did you?
Speaker 13 (10:28):
I don't know where she bought them.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I was going to say, how'd she come by those?
Speaker 13 (10:33):
I don't know, but I know my uncle has them
right now. He's got them stored in the garage, so
he's going to keep on for inheritance. But yeah, she
did have to Bob Ross paintings.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Is there any part of you that hopes, and obviously
I don't want any illness or anybody to.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Die, but that day is going to come.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Is there any part of you that's like God, I
hope they come to me in the will.
Speaker 13 (10:55):
Yes, sir, because that's I was a huge Bob Ross
friend growing up and now these stupid tiktoks are coming
out with the AI. Bob Ross is not funny. But
but yeah, I would. I would love to have those
paintings again. I would never sell them. I would probably
give them or inheritance to my kids, but yeah, I
would love to have them again.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Have them right, and listen, I don't want to trigger
you or set you off, but I'm not familiar. What
is what is this AI rip off of Bob Ross
that's going on?
Speaker 13 (11:23):
You see a lot of the aih that they're doing.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Sorry, sorry, yeah, I get it, I got it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, I know that's wrong. That's wrong. Yeah, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. People are jackasses. All right? Very good? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
God did you know.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
That he is considered the most prolific painter in history.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
In terms of volume. Yes, I would have bet against that.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Picasso is number two, No way at thirteen thousand works.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Wait, okay, so what is Bob at thirty and thirteen
is next?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
You know who?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I would have guessed who was the guy that did
all of the like I would to.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Guess Peter Max who was the guy? Was a Gelding?
Who's that? Do you tell? Men? I'm from watching my
little TV?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
No, who was the guy? Like? This probably goes back.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
They were very bright colors, and they had like like
bodies in him, but they weren't real bodies, and they were.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
All somebody helped me. I'm not an art.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
History major, but it would have been like eighties nineties.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I don't see anybody named Gelding. Gelding? Who's a painter?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Girl?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Girt?
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Girt?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Come on, sounds like you were almost there.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
No, come on, come on, somebody who specializes in equestrian art?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
No, come on?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Is this something that would have been sold in like seers? No,
but he's a prince though, that's the only thing you used.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, no, no, but yeah, but there's all orded stuff
gets turned into print.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's not what they're talking about. For a bout. I
understand that, but that's what I'm saying. No, this would
have done.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
He would have done like concert stuff and like like
like contemporary stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Come on, Helding, Gelding.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Oh my god, harol, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it,
and you said concert stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I started there we go.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, he doesn't have more than Picasso, and only because
of like like mass, the ability just to be able
to sit and crank.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Uh, let's see, I don't see it's. I don't see
a number given to his It's it says that.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But he's not the most.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Maybe he's because it does say he could sometimes do
forty pieces in a day. Maybe he's not considered.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
For this list.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Oh okay, but then they say Bob Ross and Keith
Kristen correct me if I'm wrong, didn't for each show
Bob Ross paint that image before the show, then during
the show, then a third one after the show. So
there's three versions of every why we have painting?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Did say why he did that?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Was it for.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Prep ow production and then post?
Speaker 11 (14:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I guess maybe I have no idea. So there was
three of each one. That's awesome. I'm learning so much
about Bob Bross. Hi Ellie in the morning. Yeah, Hi,
who's this?
Speaker 12 (14:57):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Hey, what's going on on?
Speaker 14 (15:00):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (15:01):
So it's funny that you're talking about this because I
literally this morning when I got up, was watching the
documentary on Bob Ross. So yes, his The warehouse that
has all of his paintings is in Herndon, Virginia. The
people that are employed there are employed by his former
business partner, the woman who actually discovered him back before
(15:25):
he had his TV show or anything. And they have
one eight hundred numbers one eight hundred Bob Ross. And
you can actually call the warehouse and talk to them
about anything Bob Ross.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Can somebody do me a favor and look up what
numbers attached to be O b R O SS. I
feel a phone call coming on? Hey are they And
do the people in the documentary do they come off
as as dix or they seem all right?
Speaker 11 (15:57):
They seem really awesome. The the former business partner, her
and her husband Bob Ross actually lived with them after
they discovered him, and it was by pure happenstance. There
was a fainting class that the guy signed his wife
(16:19):
up for and the guy that was supposed to be
teaching the class quit or passed away something like that,
and they brought in Bob Ross, and she said the
first time she saw him, she was just in awe.
She couldn't even paint that day. She just knew that
there was something really special about him, and they had
(16:40):
to figure out a way to get his paintings and
his style out to the world, So they got him
on the local access cable.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
The question does does Bob Ross have any ties to Herndon?
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
How did it all end up in Herndon?
Speaker 11 (16:54):
That's where they lived, the business partners, Yeah, the business
partners and her husband. It says in the documentary that
he was former CIA, so they moved around a lot
during his career, but I guess they ended up and
hearned them.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Is that wait that Bob Ross was former CIA?
Speaker 11 (17:15):
No, his business partner's husband.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Gotcha, gotcha? I got you. I was like, oh, is
this like.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
He was in the Air Force. Wasn't he like a
drill instructor that I read Bob Ross?
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Oh no, fooling yeah, No, who was the guy from
the the Why can't I think of his name, the
Gong Show, Chuck Barris, Chuck Barris, Elliott Siegel, and Bob
Ross's business partner, all famed, all rumored to be in
the CIA.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
All right, very good, thank you, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Nine one.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Wait, if it's an eight hundred number, do I do
nine one one eight?
Speaker 11 (17:51):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Why would I do that? Just nine one eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The last thing I want to do is if I
do nine one one eight hundred, I'm calling nine one one.
I don't want to do that. That's I'm just thinking
out loud.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Okay, Bob Ross Incorporated, thank you for calling the barbarous company.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
This is jewing him. May I hope you?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Hey, Joanna, this is Elliott calling from DC one on one.
How are you?
Speaker 8 (18:40):
I'm good?
Speaker 12 (18:40):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I'm doing great? Thank you? Hey you mind? I'm gonna
put you on the air real quick. Is that okay?
Speaker 14 (18:44):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (18:45):
No, no, no, I no not I no, no me.
I'm sorry. I'm not Joan Kowofski. I'm Joanna.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh that's okay. I just want to talk to somebody
who's from there.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Okay, No, no, I'm sorry, not I okay.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Is there someone there? Is there someone there that I
should talk to Okay.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Give me one second, okay, and I'm sorry. Your name
was Elliott.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Again from DC one on one your favorite radio station?
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Okay, perfect one moment?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Hey do they know the candy people?
Speaker 12 (19:23):
All right?
Speaker 9 (19:26):
All right, it's money to three people. No else thinks
it's funny.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
How long am I.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Gonna be on hold? Is this the eternal hole?
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Hello Elliott, I'm so sorry. I'm general manager. Got on
the other one line at the moment. Can you give
us a call back or can I have them call you?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
What's good? A couple minutes?
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Yes, please?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
All right, very good? What's the what is that person's name?
Speaker 8 (20:28):
And Marisa?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Who?
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Marisa?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Marisa? Marisa? Yeah, you're in.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Chantilly, Yes, chant very good.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I'm in Arlington. All right, very good, thank you?
Speaker 8 (20:41):
Okay, thank you?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
You don't care.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Hi, So let's scale from one to ten.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
How did that go? Two? We got to hold music.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's a hunter.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I was going to say that made my points.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Hi Ellie in the morning. Oh wait, no, sorry, Hi
Ellie in the morning. Pie.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
By the way, I don't like the snoothiness out of
the warehouse.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Oh no, Chantilly, thank you?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Not I I rather I think I'd rather be in Herndon.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh no not I Hello? Hello, yeah, Hi? Who's this? Yes,
sir Mark? Hey Mark?
Speaker 11 (21:44):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
What can I do for you?
Speaker 11 (21:47):
Okay?
Speaker 12 (21:47):
So I he used to love to go to Chestpeake
Bay seafood House in Herndon.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Shut up? Are you here?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
On?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Boor to God?
Speaker 11 (21:55):
I actually sat down and ate, Oh you can eat
crab legs with him?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was he?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Was?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
He a cool dude, super nice.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
The I.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Gotta tell you that feels so stupid. Was he famous then?
Like when you when you sat and talked to him, well, yeah, or.
Speaker 11 (22:15):
You would have had show? Yeah, he had his show then.
This was back in late eighties, early.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Nineties indeed, But you don't have there.
Speaker 11 (22:25):
He was in there smoking away.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Right on, yeah, right on. Love that love that. Well,
it was the end of him.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
All right, very good, very good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yesler, So you originally asked how much these auctions may
see these paintings go for.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh they know, well, Diane said, could be anywhere between
high eight hundreds and low one point.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Four s Okay, And maybe that's because they know what
the effort is going for, because I guess they did
auction off too recently and they were one hundred thousand each.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Ooh, that's that's a lot of money. I don't know
what the cause was though, Right, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
But it seems like I'm reading a lot of articles
from people who have got called and gotten through and
talked to the managers and office managers of Ross and
you cannot buy direct from them.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
So so how how do how would you get one?
It's through auction. Solely through auction.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
That they are able to fund everything via his image
and the licensing of the Bob Ross look, which, by
the way, he hated, right, Kristen, did he hate in
his haircut?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Wait? He hated the way he looks?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yes, they couldn't afford with production, could afford to cut
his hair.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Seriously, there was not one person that could drag a flobies.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
And I believe it was already part of like a logo,
and so he couldn't kind of concern that it couldn't
change anyway, right, but from day one, and.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
He didn't have that throw and air force.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Probably not, but wasn't too This this may be wrong, that's.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, I'm getting ready to I'll ask him, Ma Reese,
I'm getting ready to call him back because this I
didn't realize we were stretching for that.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
No, I did, because a lot of information about him
came out when the documentary premiered.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Was and this would keep it in the area. Again, was.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
W e t.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Aeda I used to work there.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Was Weeda, the first PBS station air.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Oh to air Bob Ross.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I would have no idea, I have no clue.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I know one person who would know the answer to that,
and I would rather call him than no. Damn Hello,
that would be a great call.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Line. Hi Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 10 (25:03):
Good morning, Quinton and Richmond.
Speaker 11 (25:05):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
What's going on? Dude? What can I do for you?
Speaker 10 (25:09):
My granddaddy was the wing commander at the Air Force
base that Bob Ross was stationed at, and some of
the stories that he told me Bob was kind of
a dick.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Hey, that's military Bob. That was Bob. Absolutely, What do
you mean he was a dick?
Speaker 10 (25:32):
I just heard story that he was just apprehensive to
take orders, a little bit insubordinate, cared more about his
paintings than protecting our nation.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Okay like that? All right, We're going in not right now,
we're not not.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
He was a much more handsome fellow in the Air
Force without the afro and beard.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I can't I can't even imagine what that looks like.
I would never even come close. All right, dude, Hey,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Thank you, thank you, my friend. Wow, that's him in
the Air Force. Now he's also much younger.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah no, I'll give you that, but it's not it
doesn't even look like the same person.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Correct, that's him?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh my god, it totally does not look like it
like him.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
M no, way, oh that's new.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Thank you for calling the Bob Ross Company. This is
Joanna help you.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Hey, you know I was looking for Hi. This is
Elliott from DC one O one.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
Okay, yes, give me one moment. I'm actually going to
transfer YouTube Joan k okay, oh yes, yeah, okay, And
we went up.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
The ladder.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Moment through.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Okay, I'm president of Bob Ross Incorporation.
Speaker 14 (27:22):
Ellie.
Speaker 12 (27:22):
Then in the morning, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Hey, hi, how are you by the way, just so
you know you're on the air.
Speaker 14 (27:28):
Okay, thanks, good, glad to know. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah no, that's an important part of the FCC. They're
not real fond of me right.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Now, Hey, so can I. I'm gonna be completely honest
with you. Obviously I know who Bob Ross is, but
I don't.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I didn't. I didn't know a ton about Bob Ross.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
But I was reading the story yesterday Joan about the
about some of the works that are going to be
auctioned off to help raise money to fund public television because.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
The funding is being cut.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So I was reading that and I just thought, you know,
this morning, like obviously it would come up. And I
was just trying to find out, like I have no
idea how prolific he was or any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
And I apologize for that, but the.
Speaker 12 (28:08):
No, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I was just trying to find out if I would
be able to find anybody at all who has a
Bob Ross painting.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And then somebody was like, you know, they're all in Herndon.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Although I was I was told Joanna said it's you guys,
consider it Shantilly.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, something's going on there.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
But I had no idea that all of his works
were right here and right in our backyard.
Speaker 14 (28:30):
See, we've kept that secret. Didn't we do a good job?
You did?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And I'm sorry to have lifted the lid on that.
How long? How did that come to be? Though?
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Like?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Why is it all here?
Speaker 12 (28:41):
All right?
Speaker 14 (28:41):
I'll tell you why it's all here. About forty five
years ago, my mother and father and Bob and his
wife Jane all went into business together. It's because my
mother took a painting class with him. He was nobody.
She took a painting class with him, and she thought
he was remarkable. So she went to my dad and said,
(29:03):
let's mortgage the house and help this guy. And that's
how the whole thing started. So the company is based here,
started in Herndon. We're in Chantilly now and that's why
everything's here. But we don't tell people, but I guess
we do now.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And is the reason you don't tell people just because
you just you don't want you just don't want the
circus around it.
Speaker 14 (29:28):
Oh, we had some circus, trust me, we've had circus.
But mostly I'll tell you why people don't know that
we're here is because really people don't even understand there's
a company behind Bob Ross. And we sort of do
that intentionally, right, you know, we want him to just
sort of be this ethereal fantasy figure and not necessarily
(29:51):
reveal that there's actually a little business behind everything that
you see going on, including the auction for the paintings.
So that's why we don't really do a lot of
talking about how the sausage was made. We just sort
of let Bob do his thing and let people be
happy with it.
Speaker 11 (30:09):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
You know what I love is I love you talking
about because I could never imagine doing it.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And maybe maybe Joane, you're different because you come from
a family that did.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I can't ever imagine somebody coming to me and going
I have a business idea. I just need you to
mortgage your house to help fund it. No, you know
what I mean, I'd be like, get the half away
from me. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 14 (30:31):
That is totally what happened. That is completely what happened.
And it's because my parents have always been sort of
open minded and adventurous about things. You know, they were
not closed off people. They were very sort of you know,
not conservative at all, and they thought this man was
(30:55):
incredible and duh, right, I mean you see.
Speaker 12 (30:58):
What they saw. If Bob Ross.
Speaker 14 (31:01):
Came to you and told you to mortgage your house,
you probably would.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Now, well, now if he did I'd be like, holy craft,
something's going on. Yes, yes, famous Bob Ross, hell, famous
Picasso could.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Come to me and I'd mortgage my house.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
Hey what exactly?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And then and then so now so now we start
learning about all this stuff and everything is it is
it true? Like there's you can't just buy a Bob
Ross picture correct or painting.
Speaker 14 (31:29):
So you cannot just buy a Bob Ross painting exactly. There,
it's sort of starting to become more organized the market
for Bob Ross paintings. But up until now it's just
been private people where.
Speaker 12 (31:46):
Bob handed somebody a painting.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
On his way out the door, or you know, he
stacked up a bunch of paintings for the garbage man
to pick up, and you know, there's a paintings. People
have paintings out there and they've been selling them for years,
but it's been sort of one on one, no actual,
you know, organized market until kind of lately as his
(32:13):
popularity has just surged beyond control, and now it is
getting more organized, and that's why we thought it. Also
it was a good idea for us to go ahead
and step in to not only raise funds for public television,
but also to help sort of structure the market so
(32:35):
that you don't have buyers that are getting ripped off
with fake paintings and sellers getting ripped off because they
know their painting is worth more than thirty five dollars.
So it's been out there. There have been paintings out there,
and we certify them.
Speaker 12 (32:52):
We anybody who's got.
Speaker 14 (32:53):
A painting and they think it's a Bob Ross painting,
we will certify it because we we do know Bob
paintings from other paintings. And as a result, certifying them
has also helped sort of sort of organize the market.
But then this this adventure where we're getting onto, it's
(33:16):
gonna also help. It's gonna set a better value. It's
just been sort of a big mess up until now,
but this is going to help.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
No, that's good, that's really good.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Hey do you do you do you have do you
own a like aside from the business obviously, do you
have a do you have a personal Bob like?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Is there one like? Was there a favorite where you
were like this one? I'm keeping this one.
Speaker 12 (33:40):
I absolutely do.
Speaker 14 (33:41):
And he wrote my name on the back because I
called him who I? So I do have my very
own and he wrote you know, he wrote because that
as he was painting so many paintings, and if you
wandered up to him and said I really like that,
he would give it to you. That's how he was.
So I do have my very own personal Bob Ross
(34:04):
painting with his handwriting on the back. And I'm just
I'm just getting all teary eyed just even thinking about it,
because it was a nice moment.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
True or false. W E t A was the first
public station to carry Bob Ross.
Speaker 14 (34:21):
No the birth station. The first station to produce his
very first series was a station that was in Annandale
and is now defunct. It's no longer around, which is
too bad because I think that they would have a lot,
a lot to talk about. But that station, and you
(34:43):
see the tower or you used to anyway driving around
the Beltway, and that station though, is no longer around.
Then after that first series, he went to Muncie, Indiana
to do the filming at the it's lovely there.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, it's so nice. You moved the business there.
Speaker 14 (35:10):
Yes, and so, and actually there's a little Bob Ross
museum up there. They show exactly where he stood.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, cool, it's really cool.
Speaker 14 (35:19):
It is very cool and he's sort of like their
native son. He's he's sort of a you know, a
local celebrity of sorts, and they've they've set up a
lot of stuff, you know, places where you used to
like to eat waffles and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So well, listen, I hate to uh, I hate to
be so forward, but I would like to invite myself
in the show to come see the uh to come
see the warehouse.
Speaker 14 (35:43):
Oh my god, it's just a warehouse. It's literally there's
nothing here to see that.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
That's a very polite no. That is a very polite no.
Speaker 14 (35:53):
You like, yes, at least we didn't talk.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
Let you out on your ear, all right, very.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Good, very good. Well you know what you I thank
you very much for. I thought I was going to
get Marisa. This is so much better then.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Here's what I do want to do, though, I am
gonna want I'm want to put you on hold. I
want to make sure we have if anything Bob Ross
comes up. I want to be able to call you.
I want you to be my Bob Ross correspondent one.
I'm ready, excellent, excellent. I'd offer you a shirt, but
I only delivered those by hand hold.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
T one second.
Speaker 14 (36:31):
No, I don't need a shirt.
Speaker 12 (36:38):
Very nice to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
To hold on one second, hold on one second. I
love her.
Speaker 15 (36:44):
Oh she's on hold with us, Like, wow, I don't
need a shirt, just a warehouse.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I love love her, love her. How great is she?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I can't believe that's who we spoke to.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, she runs the business
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Clearly, a lot of people listening are very familiar with her.
The Bob Ross thing that came out yesterday where they're
going to auction off a bunch of his paintings, and
I guess it's for to raise isn't it to raise
funds for like like national public television stations or something.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Like that, losing their funding, right, Which is fine.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I mean, that's a good way to make money.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I get that, that's fine, But can I can I
ask this, like I never watched Bob Ross back in
the day. Obviously I know who he is, and I
know what his shtick is and the whole thing, but
I was never into Bob Ross, like, not even like, hey,
let's get high and watch Bob Ross like it was
just never part of our wheelhouse, did Bob Ross? And
(00:39):
they expect that these these these what do you call them?
I know, I don't want to say pictures paintings are
going to make a lot of money, but obviously they're
also going to make a lot of money because of
the cause that they're going for.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That will add to it.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
And I'm not diminishing the value of the painting, but
it will raise extra money because people who are going
to do it are going to do it also in
part to help fund Yes, charity, Yeah, so I do
understand that. But did back in the day, did Bob
Ross paint a lot of paintings?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh? God?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like what his total catalog? Would a mass? I have
no idea.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Here's what I want to know. Could I find anybody
who owns a Bob.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Ross like a reprint?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I think you could, only because isn't that what the
documentary was about?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I never saw it. I never saw it either, But
wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
How he never sold his stuff unless it was for
charity or fundraising, but his estate completely after his death?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hortum? Yes, are you serious?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I never saw the documentary, but I believe that wasn't
wasn't the subtitle like Greed and Lies or something like that?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh? Christma, did you see? Did you say?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
So?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Were there? What's that?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Can you?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Can you turn yourself on while you're doing that? If
anybody owns one or know somebody who owns one?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Please eight six six to Elliott eight six six two
three five five four six eight You watched the documentary?
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Yeah? So my family. I grew up watching like the
reruns on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Right by the way, I don't even know like when
when it started. I know I honestly know very little
about Bob Ross. Then I know well who he is
and what his stick is. But that's about it. Mid eighties,
mid nineties, and I shouldn't even call it shtick, like
he is an artist.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Stick came off a little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, no, no, and I don't mean it that way, but
like I know what his bid is, like he draws
or he paints, so anyway you would watch reruns or repeats.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
Yes, when I was little, my like early in the morning,
waking up, my dad would have a cup of coffee
and then we'd just sit and watch the paintings.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Every day or like that was like weekends, right.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
And then that in this old house.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
But then I watched so my two of so there's
four of us kids, the three of us, the younger three,
me and the other two. We used to have a
tradition around Christmas time where we would get together and
do our own Bob Ross paintings while watching the Netflix.
He used to have like thirty minute episodes on Netflix.
(03:15):
I don't think it's on there anymore, right, But it
would take us hours during this thirty minute session because
we were creating our own paintings of what we thought
was that.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What's going on on TV?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Right?
Speaker 8 (03:28):
So?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Which was he a teacher on the show?
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Instruct Yeah, okay, all right, sorry.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
So then this documentary came out. I forget when it
came out, but it just talks about after he passed
how his like family got screwed over by I think
it was his family, family, friend or a partner they
screwed him out.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
And if I remember the warehouse where all the paintings
are stored some is it up in? Is it Evanston?
I don't remember. It's either Chicago or out in Herndon.
I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I know they're too Chicago.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
He either he either has a place in Sacramento or resting.
Remember I can't remember which one would I like Chicago?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Milwaukee? No, no, no, no, Herndon.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
There is no way.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So you're telling me all of Bob Ross's paintings are
off sixty six in Herndon or the toll Road.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
Or I'm completely wrong, which is more than likely correct.
But I remember I lived near the warehouse of where
they were stored at one point in my life Herndon.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Wouldn't we know that if all of his stuff was
in Herndon wouldn't we know that.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We didn't know about the monkeys? That is true, That
is true.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
But yeah, they were stored in a warehouse.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
And so but were there a lot of them?
Speaker 9 (04:54):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
And if I remember, there's no two paintings.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Hold on Diane, Diane's coming out of versus, which means
one of two things, either as she has found something
important to this or Francine is now gone.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yes, Diane, Uh, she's right?
Speaker 10 (05:09):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
On which one somewhere off Route fifty in Herndon?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Are you serious? Yes, that's where all Bob Ross's stuff is. Uh,
No way.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Bob Ross incorporated the company that manages the late artist's
legacy and holds most of his original paintings in warehouses
in Herndon, Virginia.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Dude, all of his stuff is in Herndon. How many
times have I driven by all of his works? Countless?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But did they wore him out afterwards? Like after he died?
Were they like, let's just start selling?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I don't feel like you other than the Herndon part.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I don't feel like you really nailed much of this documentary.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
But I do know there's no no two paintings are
the same.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I believe that. Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 11 (05:55):
All right.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I now I need okay, I need somebody who owns
a bob Ross. I thought that would be it. Does
anybody know about these warehouses in Herndon? Please wait, yes, Kristen.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
I also feel like, oh God, somebody the person who
screwed him and his family in the estate, over right.
I believe she tried to replicate and sold the fakes
or something.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
It was really messy, okay.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Like I have a bunch of.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Like his little bobbleheads and stuff. But I know that
in like the calendars, I'll bring them in. But I
know all of that money that is spent.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Calendars like this is nineteen eighty four. Fascinating.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
My mom keeps the at a glance. They tell a story, Diane,
I've been over.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
This, okay, all right, very good, very good?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Eight six six to Elliott eight six six two three
five five four six eight. Somebody who's got a bob
Ross or somebody who knows about these warehouses in Herndon, Virginia.
What a what a thank God? We went to Kristen, and.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I guess Channel four here did a story where they
interviewed the family that owns Bob Ross Incorporated. Because after
that documentary came out and they were like disputing it.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So was there was there nobody else? Again, I know
very little about Bob Ross, but was there there was
there nobody else that could run the business?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Like does he have? Was there?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like he keeps talking about like the guy who's running
Bob Bob Ross Incorporated.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Sounds like he's a bad person. There was nobody else,
But it's kind of like what's going on with Peter Max.
I was just gonna ask if it's similar.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Except that that's Bob Ross died right and was still Yes,
he had lymphoma from smoking, thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
No, he wasn't heal. Yeah, he was a chainsmoker smoker.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yeah, so he even though he was in his fifties,
I believe, Oh he was young, early fifties. Most people
don't realize Russ died ninety five. They think he died
much later because you only saw him in what looked
like reruns. Yeah, right, so you didn't realize. I think
the show basically ended when he died. A year or
two before he died.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh yeah, but the reruns have been going.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
If you would have said, Bob rose the early nineties,
I would have said, like twenty eighteen exactly, I think
most people would.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
So with Peter Max like, he's just I know, it's horrible,
unable to He's still alive. But Bob Ross couldn't do anything.
He wasn't with us anymore. There's a lot of money
to be made. He had According to the Smithsonian, he
painted over thirty thousand works.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Wow, okay, but that's what I was going to say.
And these these paintings will go for a lot, and
they should. I understand the funding and the charity and
everything back up ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
If I wanted to get a Bob Ross, is.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That one thousand dollars? Is it ten thousand dollars? Is
it one hundred thousand dollars? Is it a million dollars?
Like I'm not getting a rem Brandt.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I don't know how much an original would cost.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
And how you know what, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. In
twenty six years, how have I never known that those
pictures were stored down in Virginia?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That is embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
This is the auction of the thirty paintings that they're
going to do for public broadcasting. Have an estimated total
value anywhere from eight hundred and fifty grand to one
point four million dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
So let's just say total value a million for thirty. Yeah,
so what's a million divided by thirty?
Speaker 11 (09:35):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You don't have to do it in your head. You
can take your shoes off.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Hi, Elliott the Morning. Hello, Oh damn it? They own three?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Really?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
By the way, are we shooting? Are we shooting in
a barrel with more people here? Because they're all housed
here own Bob Ross's.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Just because they're stored here doesn't mean that there easily.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
That's a good point. That is a good point. Where
am I going? Line six? Damn it? That guy owned three? Hi,
Yellie of the Morning.
Speaker 12 (10:09):
Yes, this is me, Yeah, Hi, who's this?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (10:12):
This is Jimmy from New Kent County.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yes, sir, what can I do for you?
Speaker 13 (10:15):
My grandmother had to Bob Ross paintings when we were
growing up, are you.
Speaker 11 (10:22):
Yes?
Speaker 13 (10:22):
This is back in the early eighties. So yes, he
had two in the kitchen.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Oh how did you?
Speaker 13 (10:28):
I don't know where she bought them.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I was going to say, how'd she come by those?
Speaker 13 (10:33):
I don't know, but I know my uncle has them
right now. He's got them stored in the garage, so
he's going to keep on for inheritance. But yeah, she
did have to Bob Ross paintings.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Is there any part of you that hopes, and obviously
I don't want any illness or anybody to.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Die, but that day is going to come.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Is there any part of you that's like God, I
hope they come to me in the will.
Speaker 13 (10:55):
Yes, sir, because that's I was a huge Bob Ross
friend growing up and now these stupid tiktoks are coming
out with the AI. Bob Ross is not funny. But
but yeah, I would. I would love to have those
paintings again. I would never sell them. I would probably
give them or inheritance to my kids, but yeah, I
would love to have them again.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Have them right, and listen, I don't want to trigger
you or set you off, but I'm not familiar. What
is what is this AI rip off of Bob Ross
that's going on?
Speaker 13 (11:23):
You see a lot of the aih that they're doing.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Sorry, sorry, yeah, I get it, I got it.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, I know that's wrong. That's wrong. Yeah, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. People are jackasses. All right? Very good? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
God did you know.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
That he is considered the most prolific painter in history.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
In terms of volume. Yes, I would have bet against that.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Picasso is number two, No way at thirteen thousand works.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Wait, okay, so what is Bob at thirty and thirteen
is next?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
You know who?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I would have guessed who was the guy that did
all of the like I would to.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Guess Peter Max who was the guy? Was a Gelding?
Who's that? Do you tell? Men? I'm from watching my
little TV?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
No, who was the guy? Like? This probably goes back.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
They were very bright colors, and they had like like
bodies in him, but they weren't real bodies, and they were.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
All somebody helped me. I'm not an art.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
History major, but it would have been like eighties nineties.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I don't see anybody named Gelding. Gelding? Who's a painter?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Girl?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Girt?
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Girt?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Come on, sounds like you were almost there.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
No, come on, come on, somebody who specializes in equestrian art?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
No, come on?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Is this something that would have been sold in like seers? No,
but he's a prince though, that's the only thing you used.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, no, no, but yeah, but there's all orded stuff
gets turned into print.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's not what they're talking about. For a bout. I
understand that, but that's what I'm saying. No, this would
have done.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
He would have done like concert stuff and like like
like contemporary stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Come on, Helding, Gelding.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Oh my god, harol, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it,
and you said concert stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
I started there we go.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, he doesn't have more than Picasso, and only because
of like like mass, the ability just to be able
to sit and crank.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Uh, let's see, I don't see it's. I don't see
a number given to his It's it says that.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But he's not the most.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Maybe he's because it does say he could sometimes do
forty pieces in a day. Maybe he's not considered.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
For this list.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Oh okay, but then they say Bob Ross and Keith
Kristen correct me if I'm wrong, didn't for each show
Bob Ross paint that image before the show, then during
the show, then a third one after the show. So
there's three versions of every why we have painting?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Did say why he did that?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Was it for.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Prep ow production and then post?
Speaker 11 (14:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I guess maybe I have no idea. So there was
three of each one. That's awesome. I'm learning so much
about Bob Bross. Hi Ellie in the morning. Yeah, Hi,
who's this?
Speaker 12 (14:57):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Hey, what's going on on?
Speaker 14 (15:00):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (15:01):
So it's funny that you're talking about this because I
literally this morning when I got up, was watching the
documentary on Bob Ross. So yes, his The warehouse that
has all of his paintings is in Herndon, Virginia. The
people that are employed there are employed by his former
business partner, the woman who actually discovered him back before
(15:25):
he had his TV show or anything. And they have
one eight hundred numbers one eight hundred Bob Ross. And
you can actually call the warehouse and talk to them
about anything Bob Ross.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Can somebody do me a favor and look up what
numbers attached to be O b R O SS. I
feel a phone call coming on? Hey are they And
do the people in the documentary do they come off
as as dix or they seem all right?
Speaker 11 (15:57):
They seem really awesome. The the former business partner, her
and her husband Bob Ross actually lived with them after
they discovered him, and it was by pure happenstance. There
was a fainting class that the guy signed his wife
(16:19):
up for and the guy that was supposed to be
teaching the class quit or passed away something like that,
and they brought in Bob Ross, and she said the
first time she saw him, she was just in awe.
She couldn't even paint that day. She just knew that
there was something really special about him, and they had
(16:40):
to figure out a way to get his paintings and
his style out to the world, So they got him
on the local access cable.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
The question does does Bob Ross have any ties to Herndon?
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
How did it all end up in Herndon?
Speaker 11 (16:54):
That's where they lived, the business partners, Yeah, the business
partners and her husband. It says in the documentary that
he was former CIA, so they moved around a lot
during his career, but I guess they ended up and
hearned them.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Is that wait that Bob Ross was former CIA?
Speaker 11 (17:15):
No, his business partner's husband.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Gotcha, gotcha? I got you. I was like, oh, is
this like.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
He was in the Air Force. Wasn't he like a
drill instructor that I read Bob Ross?
Speaker 8 (17:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Oh no, fooling yeah, No, who was the guy from
the the Why can't I think of his name, the
Gong Show, Chuck Barris, Chuck Barris, Elliott Siegel, and Bob
Ross's business partner, all famed, all rumored to be in
the CIA.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
All right, very good, thank you, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Nine one.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Wait, if it's an eight hundred number, do I do
nine one one eight?
Speaker 11 (17:51):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Why would I do that? Just nine one eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The last thing I want to do is if I
do nine one one eight hundred, I'm calling nine one one.
I don't want to do that. That's I'm just thinking
out loud.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Okay, Bob Ross Incorporated, thank you for calling the barbarous company.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
This is jewing him. May I hope you?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Hey, Joanna, this is Elliott calling from DC one on one.
How are you?
Speaker 8 (18:40):
I'm good?
Speaker 12 (18:40):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
I'm doing great? Thank you? Hey you mind? I'm gonna
put you on the air real quick. Is that okay?
Speaker 14 (18:44):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (18:45):
No, no, no, I no not I no, no me.
I'm sorry. I'm not Joan Kowofski. I'm Joanna.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh that's okay. I just want to talk to somebody
who's from there.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Okay, No, no, I'm sorry, not I okay.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Is there someone there? Is there someone there that I
should talk to Okay.
Speaker 8 (19:01):
Give me one second, okay, and I'm sorry. Your name
was Elliott.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Again from DC one on one your favorite radio station?
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Okay, perfect one moment?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Hey do they know the candy people?
Speaker 12 (19:23):
All right?
Speaker 9 (19:26):
All right, it's money to three people. No else thinks
it's funny.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
How long am I.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Gonna be on hold? Is this the eternal hole?
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Hello Elliott, I'm so sorry. I'm general manager. Got on
the other one line at the moment. Can you give
us a call back or can I have them call you?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
What's good? A couple minutes?
Speaker 8 (20:24):
Yes, please?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
All right, very good? What's the what is that person's name?
Speaker 8 (20:28):
And Marisa?
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Who?
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Marisa?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Marisa? Marisa? Yeah, you're in.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Chantilly, Yes, chant very good.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I'm in Arlington. All right, very good, thank you?
Speaker 8 (20:41):
Okay, thank you?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
You don't care.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Hi, So let's scale from one to ten.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
How did that go? Two? We got to hold music.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
That's a hunter.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I was going to say that made my points.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Hi Ellie in the morning. Oh wait, no, sorry, Hi
Ellie in the morning. Pie.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
By the way, I don't like the snoothiness out of
the warehouse.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Oh no, Chantilly, thank you?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Not I I rather I think I'd rather be in Herndon.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Oh no not I Hello? Hello, yeah, Hi? Who's this? Yes,
sir Mark? Hey Mark?
Speaker 11 (21:44):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
What can I do for you?
Speaker 11 (21:47):
Okay?
Speaker 12 (21:47):
So I he used to love to go to Chestpeake
Bay seafood House in Herndon.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Shut up? Are you here?
Speaker 8 (21:53):
On?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Boor to God?
Speaker 11 (21:55):
I actually sat down and ate, Oh you can eat
crab legs with him?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was he?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Was?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
He a cool dude, super nice.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
The I.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Gotta tell you that feels so stupid. Was he famous then?
Like when you when you sat and talked to him, well, yeah, or.
Speaker 11 (22:15):
You would have had show? Yeah, he had his show then.
This was back in late eighties, early.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Nineties indeed, But you don't have there.
Speaker 11 (22:25):
He was in there smoking away.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Right on, yeah, right on. Love that love that. Well,
it was the end of him.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
All right, very good, very good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yesler, So you originally asked how much these auctions may
see these paintings go for.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh they know, well, Diane said, could be anywhere between
high eight hundreds and low one point.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Four s Okay, And maybe that's because they know what
the effort is going for, because I guess they did
auction off too recently and they were one hundred thousand each.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Ooh, that's that's a lot of money. I don't know
what the cause was though, Right, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
But it seems like I'm reading a lot of articles
from people who have got called and gotten through and
talked to the managers and office managers of Ross and
you cannot buy direct from them.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
So so how how do how would you get one?
It's through auction. Solely through auction.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
That they are able to fund everything via his image
and the licensing of the Bob Ross look, which, by
the way, he hated, right, Kristen, did he hate in
his haircut?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Wait? He hated the way he looks?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yes, they couldn't afford with production, could afford to cut
his hair.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Seriously, there was not one person that could drag a flobies.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
And I believe it was already part of like a logo,
and so he couldn't kind of concern that it couldn't
change anyway, right, but from day one, and.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
He didn't have that throw and air force.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Probably not, but wasn't too This this may be wrong, that's.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, I'm getting ready to I'll ask him, Ma Reese,
I'm getting ready to call him back because this I
didn't realize we were stretching for that.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
No, I did, because a lot of information about him
came out when the documentary premiered.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Was and this would keep it in the area. Again, was.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
W e t.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Aeda I used to work there.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Was Weeda, the first PBS station air.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Oh to air Bob Ross.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I would have no idea, I have no clue.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I know one person who would know the answer to that,
and I would rather call him than no. Damn Hello,
that would be a great call.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Line. Hi Ellie in the morning.
Speaker 10 (25:03):
Good morning, Quinton and Richmond.
Speaker 11 (25:05):
What's up?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
What's going on? Dude? What can I do for you?
Speaker 10 (25:09):
My granddaddy was the wing commander at the Air Force
base that Bob Ross was stationed at, and some of
the stories that he told me Bob was kind of
a dick.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
No, I don't want to hear that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Hey, that's military Bob. That was Bob. Absolutely, What do
you mean he was a dick?
Speaker 10 (25:32):
I just heard story that he was just apprehensive to
take orders, a little bit insubordinate, cared more about his
paintings than protecting our nation.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Okay like that? All right, We're going in not right now,
we're not not.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
He was a much more handsome fellow in the Air
Force without the afro and beard.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I can't I can't even imagine what that looks like.
I would never even come close. All right, dude, Hey,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Thank you, thank you, my friend. Wow, that's him in
the Air Force. Now he's also much younger.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah no, I'll give you that, but it's not it
doesn't even look like the same person.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Correct, that's him?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh my god, it totally does not look like it
like him.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
M no, way, oh that's new.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
Thank you for calling the Bob Ross Company. This is
Joanna help you.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Hey, you know I was looking for Hi. This is
Elliott from DC one O one.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
Okay, yes, give me one moment. I'm actually going to
transfer YouTube Joan k okay, oh yes, yeah, okay, And
we went up.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
The ladder.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Moment through.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Okay, I'm president of Bob Ross Incorporation.
Speaker 14 (27:22):
Ellie.
Speaker 12 (27:22):
Then in the morning, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Hey, hi, how are you by the way, just so
you know you're on the air.
Speaker 14 (27:28):
Okay, thanks, good, glad to know. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah no, that's an important part of the FCC. They're
not real fond of me right.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Now, Hey, so can I. I'm gonna be completely honest
with you. Obviously I know who Bob Ross is, but
I don't.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I didn't. I didn't know a ton about Bob Ross.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
But I was reading the story yesterday Joan about the
about some of the works that are going to be
auctioned off to help raise money to fund public television because.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
The funding is being cut.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So I was reading that and I just thought, you know,
this morning, like obviously it would come up. And I
was just trying to find out, like I have no
idea how prolific he was or any of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
And I apologize for that, but the.
Speaker 12 (28:08):
No, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I was just trying to find out if I would
be able to find anybody at all who has a
Bob Ross painting.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
And then somebody was like, you know, they're all in Herndon.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Although I was I was told Joanna said it's you guys,
consider it Shantilly.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, something's going on there.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
But I had no idea that all of his works
were right here and right in our backyard.
Speaker 14 (28:30):
See, we've kept that secret. Didn't we do a good job?
You did?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And I'm sorry to have lifted the lid on that.
How long? How did that come to be? Though?
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Like?
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Why is it all here?
Speaker 12 (28:41):
All right?
Speaker 14 (28:41):
I'll tell you why it's all here. About forty five
years ago, my mother and father and Bob and his
wife Jane all went into business together. It's because my
mother took a painting class with him. He was nobody.
She took a painting class with him, and she thought
he was remarkable. So she went to my dad and said,
(29:03):
let's mortgage the house and help this guy. And that's
how the whole thing started. So the company is based here,
started in Herndon. We're in Chantilly now and that's why
everything's here. But we don't tell people, but I guess
we do now.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And is the reason you don't tell people just because
you just you don't want you just don't want the
circus around it.
Speaker 14 (29:28):
Oh, we had some circus, trust me, we've had circus.
But mostly I'll tell you why people don't know that
we're here is because really people don't even understand there's
a company behind Bob Ross. And we sort of do
that intentionally, right, you know, we want him to just
sort of be this ethereal fantasy figure and not necessarily
(29:51):
reveal that there's actually a little business behind everything that
you see going on, including the auction for the paintings.
So that's why we don't really do a lot of
talking about how the sausage was made. We just sort
of let Bob do his thing and let people be
happy with it.
Speaker 11 (30:09):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
You know what I love is I love you talking
about because I could never imagine doing it.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And maybe maybe Joane, you're different because you come from
a family that did.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I can't ever imagine somebody coming to me and going
I have a business idea. I just need you to
mortgage your house to help fund it. No, you know
what I mean, I'd be like, get the half away
from me. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 14 (30:31):
That is totally what happened. That is completely what happened.
And it's because my parents have always been sort of
open minded and adventurous about things. You know, they were
not closed off people. They were very sort of you know,
not conservative at all, and they thought this man was
(30:55):
incredible and duh, right, I mean you see.
Speaker 12 (30:58):
What they saw. If Bob Ross.
Speaker 14 (31:01):
Came to you and told you to mortgage your house,
you probably would.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Now, well, now if he did I'd be like, holy craft,
something's going on. Yes, yes, famous Bob Ross, hell, famous
Picasso could.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Come to me and I'd mortgage my house.
Speaker 12 (31:17):
Hey what exactly?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And then and then so now so now we start
learning about all this stuff and everything is it is
it true? Like there's you can't just buy a Bob
Ross picture correct or painting.
Speaker 14 (31:29):
So you cannot just buy a Bob Ross painting exactly. There,
it's sort of starting to become more organized the market
for Bob Ross paintings. But up until now it's just
been private people where.
Speaker 12 (31:46):
Bob handed somebody a painting.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
On his way out the door, or you know, he
stacked up a bunch of paintings for the garbage man
to pick up, and you know, there's a paintings. People
have paintings out there and they've been selling them for years,
but it's been sort of one on one, no actual,
you know, organized market until kind of lately as his
(32:13):
popularity has just surged beyond control, and now it is
getting more organized, and that's why we thought it. Also
it was a good idea for us to go ahead
and step in to not only raise funds for public television,
but also to help sort of structure the market so
(32:35):
that you don't have buyers that are getting ripped off
with fake paintings and sellers getting ripped off because they
know their painting is worth more than thirty five dollars.
So it's been out there. There have been paintings out there,
and we certify them.
Speaker 12 (32:52):
We anybody who's got.
Speaker 14 (32:53):
A painting and they think it's a Bob Ross painting,
we will certify it because we we do know Bob
paintings from other paintings. And as a result, certifying them
has also helped sort of sort of organize the market.
But then this this adventure where we're getting onto, it's
(33:16):
gonna also help. It's gonna set a better value. It's
just been sort of a big mess up until now,
but this is going to help.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
No, that's good, that's really good.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Hey do you do you do you have do you
own a like aside from the business obviously, do you
have a do you have a personal Bob like?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Is there one like? Was there a favorite where you
were like this one? I'm keeping this one.
Speaker 12 (33:40):
I absolutely do.
Speaker 14 (33:41):
And he wrote my name on the back because I
called him who I? So I do have my very
own and he wrote you know, he wrote because that
as he was painting so many paintings, and if you
wandered up to him and said I really like that,
he would give it to you. That's how he was.
So I do have my very own personal Bob Ross
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painting with his handwriting on the back. And I'm just
I'm just getting all teary eyed just even thinking about it,
because it was a nice moment.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
True or false. W E t A was the first
public station to carry Bob Ross.
Speaker 14 (34:21):
No the birth station. The first station to produce his
very first series was a station that was in Annandale
and is now defunct. It's no longer around, which is
too bad because I think that they would have a lot,
a lot to talk about. But that station, and you
(34:43):
see the tower or you used to anyway driving around
the Beltway, and that station though, is no longer around.
Then after that first series, he went to Muncie, Indiana
to do the filming at the it's lovely there.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, it's so nice. You moved the business there.
Speaker 14 (35:10):
Yes, and so, and actually there's a little Bob Ross
museum up there. They show exactly where he stood.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, cool, it's really cool.
Speaker 14 (35:19):
It is very cool and he's sort of like their
native son. He's he's sort of a you know, a
local celebrity of sorts, and they've they've set up a
lot of stuff, you know, places where you used to
like to eat waffles and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So well, listen, I hate to uh, I hate to
be so forward, but I would like to invite myself
in the show to come see the uh to come
see the warehouse.
Speaker 14 (35:43):
Oh my god, it's just a warehouse. It's literally there's
nothing here to see that.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
That's a very polite no. That is a very polite no.
Speaker 14 (35:53):
You like, yes, at least we didn't talk.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
Let you out on your ear, all right, very.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Good, very good. Well you know what you I thank
you very much for. I thought I was going to
get Marisa. This is so much better then.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Here's what I do want to do, though, I am
gonna want I'm want to put you on hold. I
want to make sure we have if anything Bob Ross
comes up. I want to be able to call you.
I want you to be my Bob Ross correspondent one.
I'm ready, excellent, excellent. I'd offer you a shirt, but
I only delivered those by hand hold.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
T one second.
Speaker 14 (36:31):
No, I don't need a shirt.
Speaker 12 (36:38):
Very nice to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
To hold on one second, hold on one second. I
love her.
Speaker 15 (36:44):
Oh she's on hold with us, Like, wow, I don't
need a shirt, just a warehouse.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I love love her, love her. How great is she?
Speaker 4 (37:03):
I can't believe that's who we spoke to.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, she runs the business
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Clearly, a lot of people listening are very familiar with her.
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