November 18, 2025 • 37 mins
Jon jumps right into the latest developments regarding Trump's tariffs, SNAP benefits, and the Epstein files. Daveed Gartenstien Ross joins to discuss several ethics questions about how AI is being used, including a local story of an AI-assisted criminal act.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
President Donald Trump was traveling or turning back to DC.
He had a reporter ask a question regarding whether or
not his well his voice was sounding rough.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
As mine was just a moment ago.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So the reporter asked if he was feeling all right,
and this was Trump's response, Hell, the.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
President's always news. Your voice sounds a little rough, for
you're filling our oath.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I feel great. I was shouting at people because they
was stupid about something having to do with trade in
a country, and I straightened it out. But I blew
my stack at these three ways.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
He does not get nearly enough credit for his sense
of humor or just credit in general, which will be
a topic of discussion on the show this morning. Welcome
Tuesday has the feel it's Twin City's news talking. I'm
eleven thirty one three live on the iHeartRadio app broadcasting
from the six five to one carpet Next Day Install Studios.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
My name is John Justice.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
In the booth next door is Sam and I'm glad
that you are with the show this morning. You can
email me Justice at iHeartRadio dot com. Ryan Wilson, former
candidate for auditor, now running for Lieutenant governor on the
ticket with Lisa Damith. He'll be joining us in the
studio coming up at seven point thirty. We'll talk taxes.
(01:30):
I know it's not exciting, but it is frustrating and
it needs to be discussed as property taxes across the
state are going up to the tune of one billion
dollars and it's not just for one particular reason. So
we'll talk with Ryan Wilson about that. Also moves being
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made by the Inspector General under Governor Tim Walls. We'll
get Ryan's thoughts on Walls, lying about Universal pre k
and much more with him in studio this hour, to
Vidgard to the Stein Ross talking. AI will join us
coming up just after six thirty. You can get your
talkbacks in early if you have any AI related questions.
(02:13):
We'll get into the number one country song in the
country being AI produced country song in the country. Hey,
I followed you, John, Yeah, Like it sounds redundant, but
it's not.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Nope, Yeah, you're good morning by the on one country
song in the country.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Good morning, So we'll talk to him about that. And
also there was a cyber attack done by Chinese state actors.
We will dive into along with your questions. Let's go
here though, speaking of Trump, So, President Donald Trump did
revise the scope of his global tariffs on Friday, scrapping
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levies on grocery store staples in an effort to address
the mounting concerns about the stubbornly high food prices. It
was interesting that the Democrats didn't make hay of this.
I think it's partly due to the fact that the
tariffs by and large have been much more successful than
the complaints and criticism surrounding the tariffs. This was, however,
(03:15):
a golden opportunity for Democrats to do the Trump always
caves on everything stands, and they completely avoided it. I
suppose it could be because they had already dispensed with
all their criticism regarding the smear campaign and the Epstein files,
which we also have an update that we'll get you
later on this hour.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Be that does it make.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
The November fourteenth Executive Order set updated recommendations and progress
on trade talks made it necessary to appropriate and further
modify the scope of goods subjected to the duties. It
also noted certain agricultural products shall not be subjected to
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the tariffs exposed under the particular Executive order. The shift
modifies the reciprocal tariffs Trump first imposed as part of
the April Liberation Day National Emergency Declaration tied to trade deficits,
and Trump said that he was going to do this
all along. I mean, this is not a shock to
anybody that if the tariffs needed adjusting, he would adjust,
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and they currently do because unfortunately, grocery prices still are
ridiculously high. So something that will go and keep an
eye on. And again, just surprised the Democrats didn't go
and take advantage of that, but I feel like they
had dispense with all their criticism at which we have
further details. The House Republicans put out a memo yesterday
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talking about the Democrats twisting the Epstein probe to smear Trump.
It's all the information that we had last week regarding
the breaking news over these leaked to emails. Doing that
thing with my fingers is just further clarification coming up,
though we'll keep with the theme of the economy. I
didn't get a chance to talk about this yesterday, so
we'll cover it briefly. As now all SNAP recipients must
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reapply for benefits. And again I haven't seen the criticism
attached to this, yet I imagine that we will once
individuals begin to have to reapply, which I'm totally fine with.
I have audio to share a job dropping announcement from
the Agriculture Secretary Brook Rawlins demanding a complete overhaul of
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the SNAP program, and why I'll share with you that
audio coming up in just a moment ahead of my
conversation with Devin Garton Stein Ross And of course we'll
hear from you in the iHeartRadio app this morning.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
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Speaker 1 (05:40):
Those are brought to you by Lyndahl Realty, and we'll
get to those next here on Twin City's News Talk
Am eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Good morning, and I love your show, Gore Wout.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The problem is you have an extremely corrupt program. But
up until this is administration and with President Trump's direct
focus on this and making sure every taxpayer dollar is
spent appropriately, we've never really had the opportunity to dig in.
So we're going to be talking a lot more about
snap er form. We've got a lot of people listening now,
which is very, very helpful, and to take that program
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back to its original intent of helping those who are
truly needy in our communities, but not to have a
massive welfare benefit where so many people are taking advantage
of it that shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We're seeing a lot of examples right now of how
slow government works, regardless of.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Who is.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
In the White House, a lot of exposure of a
lot of different issues. And I know we're heading into
the end of the year and essentially the end of
the first year of Trump's second term, but again, a
lot of these issues just simply take time to work through.
They don't happen overnight, just like we didn't get here overnight.
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A lot of what we're dealing with regarding the economy
is still the hangover from the Biden administration and having
to adjust to make sure that we are doing the
right things and one holding people accountable, but two making
sure that the United States isn't being taken advantage, of
holding people accountable in the way that Ice has been doing,
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or individuals that might be abusing SNAP. We'll talk about
this later on in the show, but yesterday we discussed
how ICE had moved into North Carolina. So after the
border patrol agents surge into Charlotte, fifteen percent of the
entire county school population missed school the next day, some
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twenty one thousand students win absent. We'll get into the
ramifications of what this means, but you can extrapolate with
ice moving in dealing with those that are here in
the country illegally, which yes, is what I voted for,
and then subsequently you see students missing at school. You
can do the math. So we'll cover that coming up
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just after eight o'clock this morning. Regarding SNAP, the Trump
administration says that will require millions of low income people
to reapply for food stamps as part of an effort
to crack down on fraud. What you heard a moment
ago was the Agriculture Secretary Brook Rawlins demanding a complete
overhaul of the SNAP program much in the same way
that we need to complete overhaul of DHS here in
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the state. Although it's not going to happen under Governor
Tim Walls. Why he pretends to be concerned about the fraud.
A reporter for Politico talking with Fox News that the
move is part of a larger effort by Republicans to
crack down on fraud. Right SNAP beneficiaries are already required
to recertify their application information every six to twelve months,
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updating work history and income to make sure they still qualify.
Now hasn't said how or when people would need to
fully reapply because it's a difference there. The US Department
of Agriculture hasn't responded to requests for comments.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Rollin said this.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Past week that some one hundred and eighty six thousand
deceased men and women and children were receiving a check.
She cited data from twenty nine states that complied with
the USDA request for information.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
As you mentioned, Minnesota is one of the states that
didn't comply.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
About one in eight Americans in lower income households receive foodstamps,
with an average about one hundred and ninety bucks per month.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
So what this would do is.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Hopefully it would end up cleaning up those individuals that
are currently gaming the system by making people reapply. Because
a lot of people have applied, they're committing fraud. They're
still filling out the required recertification on their application, but
they should not be receiving the SNAP benefits in the
first place.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Morning, John Say, regarding SNAP benefits, you can already see
the Dems talking points coming when millions of fraudulent SNAP
recipients get removed because they had to reapply. You're gonna
see the dem saying that the Republicans took away snap
benefits from recipients.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, it's pretty easy to predict what the criticism will be.
As I mentioned, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, but
Democrats are savvy. They're waiting for the opportune moment to
be getting their freak out.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
One in John, Yeah, as far as snap benefits go,
they should have to reapply every so often for those
benefits because they're doing nothing else to get them, so
you might.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
As well do a little bit of paperwork.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
As far as property taxes go, gosh, they're going up
twelve fourteen to fifteen percent.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Where does the government think that money's gonna come from.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I'm not getting a raise twelve yeah fo.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And we're going to dive fully into the property tax
story because every single news outlet this morning is talking
about it and there's no clear there's no clear answer
to the problem. Even though you can kind of go
in protest, for lack of a better way to describe it,
your property value. To argue the property tax increase, you're
going to have to incur. But there's a number of
different reasons why the property taxes are increasing. Some of
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it is tied to the school levies. These counties are
having to bring in money, and it's also in large
part because of the policies under the Walls administration. And
Ryan Wilson will join us in the studio and we'll
break it all down with him when he talks about
his running with Lisa Damoth for Lieutenant governor. A ten
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page internal memo shifting over to just a quick update
on Epstein written by GOP Committee staff. Lawmakers on a
panel argued Democrats intentionally misrepresented information obtained by Republicans to
create a narrative that was not there. This is just
further confirmation of what we had all mentioned last week
when these leaked emails had dropped. Democrats have uncovered nothing new,
(12:06):
have released no document not provided at the request of Republicans,
and have only succeeded in reinforcing what the American people
already knew. Trump knew Epstein decades ago. Trump ended the
relationship with Epstein, and Donald Trump did not participate or
know about the nature of Epstein's evil Committee.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Democrats have overpromised.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And underdelivered, and now they pawn through every new document
production looking for a single term Trump. We really are
at a point where unless this is unless there are
recent allegations meaning Trump like did something bad now like
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over the course of the past couple of months, any
past allegations that pop up on are more than likely bogus,
as Trump is arguably the most vetted politician in existence,
and certainly relating to the Epstein situation, there was breaking
(13:14):
news overnight. Miranda Crooks has done has put out an
editorial a columnist, She's done some investigative reporting regarding Thomas Crooks,
the Butler Pa Assassin, and what we've come to find
out is, unsurprisingly, the FBI under the Biden administration hid
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the online relevant information relating to Thomas Crooks, including the
fact that going back a couple of years, he was
actually pro Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And then made a turn to anti Trump.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And there are posts online that show he had been
commenting online things that were positive towards Trump, and then
eventually he ended up shifting and then went all in
on anti Trump and Trump derangement syndrome. Ahead of his
attempt to assassinate Trump and Butler Pennsylvania, he also had
a devianto art account, which is popular among certain demographics
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using they them pronouns. And again, it's just further examples
of the liberal suppression of the facts to continue to
perpetuate a narrative. Because a lot of people have been asking,
and rightfully, so, how is it we know so little
about Thomas Crooks. Well, it's because, in part the FBI
didn't put that information out there, didn't seem to have
an interest to give the background of what turned about
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to be an individual apparently suffering from Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
They have what's called a Trump derangement problem. Have you
heard about that problem?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
This memo regarding Epstein also accused Democrats of having selectively
leaked the three emails out of roughly twenty three thousand
documents handed over by the Epstein estate in a bid
to portray Trump in a negative light. And as we
talked about yesterday on the show, Trump encouraged Republicans to
vote in favor of releasing the documents, and it looks
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like we may have a vote that'll take place a
little bit later on this week.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
We'll see how that shakes out.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Speaking of which Representative Tom Member will be on the
show tomorrow at seven twenty and it's just one of
the items that we'll be talking about with Tom when
he joins us on the on the show. Next up,
AI country song ralics to the top of the US
sales chart while parents threaten a lawsuit against the Stillwater
(15:37):
School District failing to protect kids against AI predators. We'll
talk with our AI analyst and expert, Divine Gartenstein Ross
next here on Twinsday's news talk Am eleven thirty and
one oh three five FM. So I get email Justice
at iHeartRadio dot com. Friend of the show, Michael left
me a email talking property taxes. A lot of comments
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rolling into the iHeartRadio app talkbacks brought to you by
Lyndall Realty regarding the property tax increases. We will be
diving into this next hour, so I'll hang on to
those talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I also got this one from April.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I'll have to clean it up. I know it's really
in the morning, about to clean it up fro on
the air. It just simply says, uh.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Johnny why is it? Oh, Johnny Boy? I got Johnny
Boy already off to a good start. Johnny Boys. Yeah,
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
When people like to take our run at me, they
often use Johnny.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Like my mom called me Johnny. I find it endearing,
doesn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Anyway, Johnny boy is the headline says you are TDS
or Trump blank suckers. Can't say that, can't say that word.
When are you going to wake up? I'm perfectly awake
right now. I got a great night sleep because of
the night coom. He's from Minni Leaf. Give me a
great night sleep last night?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
And it's quite the juxtaposition between the between the two there. Yeah, anyway,
feel free to email me colorful like that or not?
Justice at iHeartRadio dot com joining me, CEO of Expert Theory,
Friend of the Show, AI analyst de v de gartan
Stein Ross, Good morning to Vid.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
Good morning John And I never gave you permission to
read my email on air?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Was it AI generated?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I think AI writes better than that email.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You're You're probably correct. Let's let's go here. I didn't
I had this story to cover prior to bringing you
on this morning, but I actually broke on time, so
I'll share it with you. So Instagram has its new
meta Instagram metas promoting its new Artificial intelligence Free AI
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Creator tools on Instagram on Instagram with it. As part
of the promote is a piece of content AI generated
that shows a video of President Donald Trump kneeling before
it demon The screenshot of the AI generated video, showcased
in an advertisement for the tool, showed what looked like
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Donald Trump shaking hands with a Satan like figure before
kneeling before it.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The promotion read Meta.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
AI try free AI Creation tools and get featured on
the get app button. Apparently the video in question was
user generated content. According to a Meta spokesperson, it's been
removed from the recommendation as it violated the protocols for promotions.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I just thought it was funny to be Yeah, if
you go.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
To for example, Sola, which is the shat gpt slash
open AI video generation, you can see a lot of
user created material. And this theme is actually really, you know,
quite prevalent. Not let's be clear, not just like Trump
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and Satan, but the opposite, Right Trump next to Jesus
or next to God, Charlie Kirk, the same thing. Right
after he got killed, you had all this AI generated
art that either showed him in Heaven or showed him
in Hell.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
It's interesting, you know.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
Obviously the fact that it showed up in a promotion
tells you many many things. But this seems to be
a genre of art that people really like putting together
without realizing that it's already hackneyed.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I know, Divine, we have talked about this several times,
but I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it up again, and
I don't really have a through line here to what
we're going to speak of here, apart from it just
being AI generated.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But the amount of comedy.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Entertainment in the creation of different AI content I find
so incredibly entertaining. As a matter of fact, I had
meant to send it to you before you joined the show,
and the next break I'll forward it on. But I
have this compilation video that Defeat I must have watched
at least twelve times.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And all that it is.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It is a compilation of AI created videos of cats
playing various instruments on doorsteps at midnight with the owners
coming out and telling them to knock it off. It
is one of the funniest things that I have seen
in such a long period of time, and so regardless
of the concerns over AI. I am incredibly pleased at
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the amount of entertainment and funny content that we get
from these different AI creation models.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
So what I like at this is this is quite
literally the discussion at the outset of the advent of
the Internet and social media.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Right, A lot of problems, but cat videos.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You're right, there's more here. We'll have to work on it.
We'll have to workshop this. I think there's a further
discussion to be had.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Let's go, you can a stand up comedy routine.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Let's go, let's go here.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Speaking of AI creation, a country music song featuring a
male singer's voice generated by artificial intelligence reached the top
of the US charts for the first time last week. Now,
the artist with no identity widely reported by US media
to be powered by generative AI technology, at least as
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far as I've seen anything definitive coming from the creators
of the song to say this is this is AI breaking.
Rust does not claim to have used AI to create
their hit song, although it seems pretty obvious, but the
fact that the voice in the track is not associated
with any singer's name, and that the group's illustrations, photos
and clips are clearly created by artificial intelligence, has led
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the music industry to label Breaking Rust as an AI artist.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So before we continue further, what are just your initial
thoughts on this.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
There's one other clue too, which is the songwriter on
this song. The songwriter's credit is Aubier Rivaldo Taylor and
that name has come up one other time online, which
is an association of the group called Deafbeats AI, which
is which is identified as an AI project. So this
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is clearly an AI generated song. Even like listening to
that snippet, there's a lot of different AI tells, right,
I would say that, you know, I think it's clear
not only that AI is performing, but that while there
was some human guidance into the style of the song
and the lyrical scheme, the songwriter was AI.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
AI writes in a certain way.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Uh, there's kind of a few llmisms that are embedded
in the lyrics that we just listened to.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
What this points to.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
But that being said, John, this is catchy, right, yeah, yeah,
I mean we've talked about this. AI produces catchy music,
and you know, increasingly artists use AI in lots of
different ways. To me, it's really interesting. It throws down
the gauntlet. You know, if AI can write a chart
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topping song, you know, humans need to step up your game.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Well, and we've talked about you know, Zema Phiz that
we've played on the show, that I've shared with the audience,
and how much people love love that song because it
is catchy. I my view on this is, and I
know that different companies are going to take different stances
regarding whether or not they want to utilize AI or
play AI music, But I think that you're gonna end
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up seeing this, and we've discussed this before. I think
what you're going to see is sort of a sub
genre of music wherein it just lands in the category
of AI, and then the consumer can decide whether or
not they want to go and enjoy that. I do
find that that there's a big difference between an original
creation doing that thing with my fingers, like a song
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walk my walk from this, you know, fictional band breaking rust,
as opposed to other AI created songs that are attempting
to duplicate existing artists or artists that have passed. There
seems to be a curiosity factor involved in those songs
and then shortly followed by a yeah, it's not the original.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I don't like it. I'm not going to listen to it.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
So I think there's a difference between the two types
of entertainment being created via music and AI.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, I agree with that. It's interesting.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
I could see a genre emerging in the future which
users not really current but past bands and creates new
music in their style. That wouldn't surprise me at all, right, Like,
there are different bands for the past people love, and
you know, some people would probably be interested to you know,
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hear what Nirvana thinks of President Trump, for example, Sure,
or you pick your favorite, right, So it strikes me
that that right now, there's there's a complete stigma against this,
and there's a lot that's gross about having AI produce
songs from long gone artists weighing in, perhaps metaphorically, on
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different challenges we face today. But I could see that
being a genre as well, Right, Like, if you look
at the what's happened during the course of our discussions
on AI, you know, we started out with AI. You know,
it was interesting, it had had the huge impact it
does and sort of like the untrue metaphor of a
boiling frog who will stay in the pot that boils
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until it until it's dead.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
And you know that's false, right, it doesn't happen to frogs,
right like that? That song accurate rate.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
I like the metaphor even though it's untrue, and so
sort of like that, you still have, you know, occasionally
listeners weighing in and saying, isn't you know AI the
dog that didn't bark? It's not really having much of
an impact, but we see that it is right in
multiple ways.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
It's already transformed the world that we lived in.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
And we've gone from AI music when we first started
having these interviews not being a thing to now it's
it's topping a music chart and people asking the question
what do we do about that? The norms surrounding artificial
intelligence are changing rapidly, and if I were placing money down,
I would put my bet on There is also a
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genre of past artists where AI is making them more contemporaneous,
and that that's going to be, you know, sort of accepted.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Well, what's interesting to me to beat is that we're
in this we're in this timeline right now with the
creation of AI where we're we're finding our way and
I'm curious at the and I'm fascinated at the unknown,
the questions that haven't arisen yet, considering that as we
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embrace this emerging technology, as this technology advances, it's going
to it's opening up the doors and a lot of
venues and again a lot of questions that we're going
to need to have to answer as a society. And
we're not going to be able to get to those
questions without going through, you know, particular controversies.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
There's one here relating to the.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
School Water school, to the still Water School District that
we'll talk about here in a moment. But I think
this is a part of it, is you know, part
of it as well in terms of entertainment creation. We're
gonna we're in that trial and era phase right now,
and I just find all of that really interesting.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Absolutely, I agree with all of that.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
And it's going to be an interesting process, including your
court cases, including your public controversies, fingerpointing, game calling.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
That is going to be part of the process of
working this out.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
One of the iHeartRadio app got to talk back friend
of the show, Raquel for you.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
I am really surprised, so Davide. I know he's an
AI analyst, an expert. He can tell that that song
was AI. I just thought that was fascinating that he
could tell, because I couldn't even tell.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Wow, deVie, let me add something to this before you mentioned.
I'm actually going to venture a guest that if Raquel
had spent some time listening to more time listening to
AI songs that in a relatively short period of time,
kind of like a coke and PEPSI test, I think
most people could probably be able to tell, even though
they may not be able to pinpoint.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
The reason why they are able to tell that it's AI.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
Yeah, I agree with that for Raquel. It's more that
not only if I listened to AI songs. You know,
for my company Expert Theory, we generate AI songs to
sometimes to fill out the pop culture universe of our games,
So I'm very used to their composition forces, which is
like the song you know, if you're listening to it
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at the first time and haven't listened to a lot
of AI music, it obviously sounds human, but there's sort
of a thinness to the composition and a predictability to
the composition. But moreover, if you listen to the lyrical scheme,
like the lyrics are the lyrics are not good. And
just like there's certain phrases. Lllms use large language models
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we use when they're writing for you, and you know,
if you have a large language model generated newspaper article,
there's going to be certain cliches that it uses where
you can tell right away that it's LLM written and
that in Walk by Walk, the rhyme scheme was a
very AI based rhyme scheme, where in different genres I've
heard basically that exact rhyme scheme before, which right now
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is one of the AI tells.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
But it's a great question on Raquel's part.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
AI just follows similar patterns because it's generating so many
things constantly that it has its own you know, it's
its own things that will give you a sense of
this an AI, just like people have their own writing
style or their own speaking show. Whether it be something
that someone does that makes you know right away that
it's written by a friend of yours.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Well, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We usually only played the first half of Zima Fizz,
the John Justice theme song, but if you listen to
the last part of the song, the last few bit
of lyrics in it, they're completely undecipherable, like I've tried
to figure out what a I was trying to say,
and it clearly ran out of ideas.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
So it just ends up having some word matchup.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
That kind of rhymes with the previous statement, and that's
a that could be a tell as well.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Let's go back to the go ahead to.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Me, I should say, maybe it's a metaphor for our interviews.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's probably true too. Let's go here.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
Hey, John, this is Nick calling in from the great
state of Arizona. And you know I've done some AI
stuff and You've played a couple of AI songs that
I've created, including will Be on the View. And the
way that I do it is I actually write the
songs and then upload a little demo to an AI generator,
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so I'm actually writing the songs.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's just AI performing them devid. Let me play.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
There's another talkback that rolled in that relates to this.
Let me add this talk back to Nick's comment.
Speaker 11 (31:20):
My personal opinion is AI music is depressing. I like realism,
I like real people achieving real things.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Sure, but I remember a time when, you know, electronic
music in the early eighties, you know, began to become
more popular and there were people saying that it was
fake because individuals were using computers and synthesizers. And as
the previous talkback said, he's writing his own music and
he's just using the AI as a as a tool,
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much like an individual would say, like.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Rock band on your Apple computer.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah, but do you love the combination of the two
together though? Mm hmm, right.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
I mean there are two great talkbacks which are two
different sides of this discussion. The first is, you know,
I wrote it. AI performed it, but I wrote it.
And the second was it's depressing, you need a human touch.
And finally you're the one who's filling it out that
at some point AI is going to be seen as
a natural part of our own composition, and we will
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write in certain ways with AI that makes it feel
like our own.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I mean, that's just clearly the way that this is heading. Ultimately.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
You know, I'm sympathetic. I don't like walk by Walk, right,
I like it's catchy.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I don't like it.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
There's no there's no to be kind of human core
to that song. But for something where a human has
composed it, uh and it's bringing their vision to life,
I feel differently about it.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Let's we have enough time here, Let's go ahead and
tackle this. It's on a serious level talking about AI.
As we speak with David Gartenstein Ross Against CEO at
Expert Theory, are AI analyst, and really a horrible story
coming out of the Stillwater School District. Some parents are
now threatening to sue the school Stillwater School District, alleging
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it did not protect students from a former employee who
has since been arrested for using artificial intelligence to create
sexually explicit photos of kids in his care. I mean,
it's just absolutely horrible. What's interesting about the story is
this individual has not worked for still Waters Summer Childcare
program since two thousand and four and was indicted on
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federal charges earlier this year. However, Minnesota Senator Aaron make
Wade did introduce a bill that would require companies to
turn off consumer access to use, or even request to use,
this type of newification, as it's called in the story technology.
If any company fails, it could face a five hundred
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thousand dollars fine and devieed. While I certainly do not
endorse or support the use of AI in this particular fashion,
it does seem like this could really open up Pandora's
box in terms of litigation, like is this something that
can be programmed out of an AI?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Is it stifling of AI creation?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean, often we don't want to push back on
this because it's a horrible thing of what this individual did,
but we need to look at the further ramifications and
unintended consequences of moving forward with legislation that would sort
of restrict this type of technology.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
What are your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
I'd support the legislation, okay, just because I think the
use of nutification technology is so grotesque. It can be
used to produce things like you know, fictitious revenge board
or like your people in the public sphere could suddenly
see nude pictures of themselves leaking out online that look
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very real and that are used to kind of humiliate
and degrade. And in this case, it was used for
child pornography. Sure, this is I mean, leave aside AI.
What he did is just it's it's illegal under even
pre AI laws. But here like what was being done
with him using photos of children in his care to
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create child pornography based on kids that he had access
to repulsive. So for me, I would support the prescription
on neutification technology. It's actually very easy to do, and
there's already a lot of things that are black boxed
out of what you can touch with AI, including like
if you're trying to assassinate someone, AI will not help
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you on that. If you're generally speaking, if you're trying
to figure out how to create a synthetic drug, if
you're trying to figure out how to create fentanyl, AI
will not help you with that.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Most of these are blocked out, and I.
Speaker 8 (35:55):
Think that in this case it's something where the public
utility is so low that stopping neutification, to me is
very intuitive and one of those things that will help
AI from descending into a sesspool.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Or at the very delay AI descending into a sesspool.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh, you certainly answer my question, because that's what I
was curious about, and that's why I appreciate when you
have the opportunity to join.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Us every single week.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Our conversation seemed to fly by, but I appreciate the
time that we had this morning. De v tot Gartenstein
Ross against CEO at Expert Theory. Hopefully we can talk
again next weekend. As always, if anybody has any further questions,
for David. You can email me Justice at iHeartRadio dot
com and I'm happy to go and forward those over.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
David, thank you so much for the time this morning.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Thank you, John. It's great joining you.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Coming up, has some audio to share.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
First off, I'm going to ask the question if this
is the last Christmas for New York City.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And then I have.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Audio not only from Zohram Mom Donnie, but a ridiculous
post from Peggy Flanagan that I'll share with you. I
don't even want to give you the preview of what
she said. I just want just stick around for you. You
don't want to you don't want to go anywhere. This
is all going to roll into the conversation regarding the
increase in property taxes here in Minnesota. Many of you
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have left comments already. We will get to those, and
Ryan Wilson, candidate for Lieutenant Governor, will be joining me
in studio coming up at seven thirty here on Twinsday's
News Talk AM eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
President Donald Trump was traveling or turning back to DC.
He had a reporter ask a question regarding whether or
not his well his voice was sounding rough.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
As mine was just a moment ago.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So the reporter asked if he was feeling all right,
and this was Trump's response, Hell, the.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
President's always news. Your voice sounds a little rough, for
you're filling our oath.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I feel great. I was shouting at people because they
was stupid about something having to do with trade in
a country, and I straightened it out. But I blew
my stack at these three ways.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
He does not get nearly enough credit for his sense
of humor or just credit in general, which will be
a topic of discussion on the show this morning. Welcome
Tuesday has the feel it's Twin City's news talking. I'm
eleven thirty one three live on the iHeartRadio app broadcasting
from the six five to one carpet Next Day Install Studios.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
My name is John Justice.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
In the booth next door is Sam and I'm glad
that you are with the show this morning. You can
email me Justice at iHeartRadio dot com. Ryan Wilson, former
candidate for auditor, now running for Lieutenant governor on the
ticket with Lisa Damith. He'll be joining us in the
studio coming up at seven point thirty. We'll talk taxes.
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I know it's not exciting, but it is frustrating and
it needs to be discussed as property taxes across the
state are going up to the tune of one billion
dollars and it's not just for one particular reason. So
we'll talk with Ryan Wilson about that. Also moves being
(01:50):
made by the Inspector General under Governor Tim Walls. We'll
get Ryan's thoughts on Walls, lying about Universal pre k
and much more with him in studio this hour, to
Vidgard to the Stein Ross talking. AI will join us
coming up just after six thirty. You can get your
talkbacks in early if you have any AI related questions.
(02:13):
We'll get into the number one country song in the
country being AI produced country song in the country. Hey,
I followed you, John, Yeah, Like it sounds redundant, but
it's not.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Nope, Yeah, you're good morning by the on one country
song in the country.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Good morning, So we'll talk to him about that. And
also there was a cyber attack done by Chinese state actors.
We will dive into along with your questions. Let's go
here though, speaking of Trump, So, President Donald Trump did
revise the scope of his global tariffs on Friday, scrapping
(02:50):
levies on grocery store staples in an effort to address
the mounting concerns about the stubbornly high food prices. It
was interesting that the Democrats didn't make hay of this.
I think it's partly due to the fact that the
tariffs by and large have been much more successful than
the complaints and criticism surrounding the tariffs. This was, however,
(03:15):
a golden opportunity for Democrats to do the Trump always
caves on everything stands, and they completely avoided it. I
suppose it could be because they had already dispensed with
all their criticism regarding the smear campaign and the Epstein files,
which we also have an update that we'll get you
later on this hour.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Be that does it make.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
The November fourteenth Executive Order set updated recommendations and progress
on trade talks made it necessary to appropriate and further
modify the scope of goods subjected to the duties. It
also noted certain agricultural products shall not be subjected to
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the tariffs exposed under the particular Executive order. The shift
modifies the reciprocal tariffs Trump first imposed as part of
the April Liberation Day National Emergency Declaration tied to trade deficits,
and Trump said that he was going to do this
all along. I mean, this is not a shock to
anybody that if the tariffs needed adjusting, he would adjust,
(04:18):
and they currently do because unfortunately, grocery prices still are
ridiculously high. So something that will go and keep an
eye on. And again, just surprised the Democrats didn't go
and take advantage of that, but I feel like they
had dispense with all their criticism at which we have
further details. The House Republicans put out a memo yesterday
(04:41):
talking about the Democrats twisting the Epstein probe to smear Trump.
It's all the information that we had last week regarding
the breaking news over these leaked to emails. Doing that
thing with my fingers is just further clarification coming up,
though we'll keep with the theme of the economy. I
didn't get a chance to talk about this yesterday, so
we'll cover it briefly. As now all SNAP recipients must
(05:04):
reapply for benefits. And again I haven't seen the criticism
attached to this, yet I imagine that we will once
individuals begin to have to reapply, which I'm totally fine with.
I have audio to share a job dropping announcement from
the Agriculture Secretary Brook Rawlins demanding a complete overhaul of
(05:28):
the SNAP program, and why I'll share with you that
audio coming up in just a moment ahead of my
conversation with Devin Garton Stein Ross And of course we'll
hear from you in the iHeartRadio app this morning.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Leave us a talkback.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Those are brought to you by Lyndahl Realty, and we'll
get to those next here on Twin City's News Talk
Am eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Good morning, and I love your show, Gore Wout.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
The problem is you have an extremely corrupt program. But
up until this is administration and with President Trump's direct
focus on this and making sure every taxpayer dollar is
spent appropriately, we've never really had the opportunity to dig in.
So we're going to be talking a lot more about
snap er form. We've got a lot of people listening now,
which is very, very helpful, and to take that program
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back to its original intent of helping those who are
truly needy in our communities, but not to have a
massive welfare benefit where so many people are taking advantage
of it that shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We're seeing a lot of examples right now of how
slow government works, regardless of.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Who is.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
In the White House, a lot of exposure of a
lot of different issues. And I know we're heading into
the end of the year and essentially the end of
the first year of Trump's second term, but again, a
lot of these issues just simply take time to work through.
They don't happen overnight, just like we didn't get here overnight.
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A lot of what we're dealing with regarding the economy
is still the hangover from the Biden administration and having
to adjust to make sure that we are doing the
right things and one holding people accountable, but two making
sure that the United States isn't being taken advantage, of
holding people accountable in the way that Ice has been doing,
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or individuals that might be abusing SNAP. We'll talk about
this later on in the show, but yesterday we discussed
how ICE had moved into North Carolina. So after the
border patrol agents surge into Charlotte, fifteen percent of the
entire county school population missed school the next day, some
(07:46):
twenty one thousand students win absent. We'll get into the
ramifications of what this means, but you can extrapolate with
ice moving in dealing with those that are here in
the country illegally, which yes, is what I voted for,
and then subsequently you see students missing at school. You
can do the math. So we'll cover that coming up
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just after eight o'clock this morning. Regarding SNAP, the Trump
administration says that will require millions of low income people
to reapply for food stamps as part of an effort
to crack down on fraud. What you heard a moment
ago was the Agriculture Secretary Brook Rawlins demanding a complete
overhaul of the SNAP program much in the same way
that we need to complete overhaul of DHS here in
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the state. Although it's not going to happen under Governor
Tim Walls. Why he pretends to be concerned about the fraud.
A reporter for Politico talking with Fox News that the
move is part of a larger effort by Republicans to
crack down on fraud. Right SNAP beneficiaries are already required
to recertify their application information every six to twelve months,
(08:54):
updating work history and income to make sure they still qualify.
Now hasn't said how or when people would need to
fully reapply because it's a difference there. The US Department
of Agriculture hasn't responded to requests for comments.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Rollin said this.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Past week that some one hundred and eighty six thousand
deceased men and women and children were receiving a check.
She cited data from twenty nine states that complied with
the USDA request for information.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
As you mentioned, Minnesota is one of the states that
didn't comply.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
About one in eight Americans in lower income households receive foodstamps,
with an average about one hundred and ninety bucks per month.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
So what this would do is.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Hopefully it would end up cleaning up those individuals that
are currently gaming the system by making people reapply. Because
a lot of people have applied, they're committing fraud. They're
still filling out the required recertification on their application, but
they should not be receiving the SNAP benefits in the
first place.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
Morning, John Say, regarding SNAP benefits, you can already see
the Dems talking points coming when millions of fraudulent SNAP
recipients get removed because they had to reapply. You're gonna
see the dem saying that the Republicans took away snap
benefits from recipients.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, it's pretty easy to predict what the criticism will be.
As I mentioned, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, but
Democrats are savvy. They're waiting for the opportune moment to
be getting their freak out.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
One in John, Yeah, as far as snap benefits go,
they should have to reapply every so often for those
benefits because they're doing nothing else to get them, so
you might.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
As well do a little bit of paperwork.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
As far as property taxes go, gosh, they're going up
twelve fourteen to fifteen percent.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Where does the government think that money's gonna come from.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I'm not getting a raise twelve yeah fo.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And we're going to dive fully into the property tax
story because every single news outlet this morning is talking
about it and there's no clear there's no clear answer
to the problem. Even though you can kind of go
in protest, for lack of a better way to describe it,
your property value. To argue the property tax increase, you're
going to have to incur. But there's a number of
different reasons why the property taxes are increasing. Some of
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it is tied to the school levies. These counties are
having to bring in money, and it's also in large
part because of the policies under the Walls administration. And
Ryan Wilson will join us in the studio and we'll
break it all down with him when he talks about
his running with Lisa Damoth for Lieutenant governor. A ten
(11:40):
page internal memo shifting over to just a quick update
on Epstein written by GOP Committee staff. Lawmakers on a
panel argued Democrats intentionally misrepresented information obtained by Republicans to
create a narrative that was not there. This is just
further confirmation of what we had all mentioned last week
when these leaked emails had dropped. Democrats have uncovered nothing new,
(12:06):
have released no document not provided at the request of Republicans,
and have only succeeded in reinforcing what the American people
already knew. Trump knew Epstein decades ago. Trump ended the
relationship with Epstein, and Donald Trump did not participate or
know about the nature of Epstein's evil Committee.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Democrats have overpromised.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And underdelivered, and now they pawn through every new document
production looking for a single term Trump. We really are
at a point where unless this is unless there are
recent allegations meaning Trump like did something bad now like
(12:50):
over the course of the past couple of months, any
past allegations that pop up on are more than likely bogus,
as Trump is arguably the most vetted politician in existence,
and certainly relating to the Epstein situation, there was breaking
(13:14):
news overnight. Miranda Crooks has done has put out an
editorial a columnist, She's done some investigative reporting regarding Thomas Crooks,
the Butler Pa Assassin, and what we've come to find
out is, unsurprisingly, the FBI under the Biden administration hid
(13:38):
the online relevant information relating to Thomas Crooks, including the
fact that going back a couple of years, he was
actually pro Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And then made a turn to anti Trump.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
And there are posts online that show he had been
commenting online things that were positive towards Trump, and then
eventually he ended up shifting and then went all in
on anti Trump and Trump derangement syndrome. Ahead of his
attempt to assassinate Trump and Butler Pennsylvania, he also had
a devianto art account, which is popular among certain demographics
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using they them pronouns. And again, it's just further examples
of the liberal suppression of the facts to continue to
perpetuate a narrative. Because a lot of people have been asking,
and rightfully, so, how is it we know so little
about Thomas Crooks. Well, it's because, in part the FBI
didn't put that information out there, didn't seem to have
an interest to give the background of what turned about
(14:37):
to be an individual apparently suffering from Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
They have what's called a Trump derangement problem. Have you
heard about that problem?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
This memo regarding Epstein also accused Democrats of having selectively
leaked the three emails out of roughly twenty three thousand
documents handed over by the Epstein estate in a bid
to portray Trump in a negative light. And as we
talked about yesterday on the show, Trump encouraged Republicans to
vote in favor of releasing the documents, and it looks
(15:11):
like we may have a vote that'll take place a
little bit later on this week.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
We'll see how that shakes out.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Speaking of which Representative Tom Member will be on the
show tomorrow at seven twenty and it's just one of
the items that we'll be talking about with Tom when
he joins us on the on the show. Next up,
AI country song ralics to the top of the US
sales chart while parents threaten a lawsuit against the Stillwater
(15:37):
School District failing to protect kids against AI predators. We'll
talk with our AI analyst and expert, Divine Gartenstein Ross
next here on Twinsday's news talk Am eleven thirty and
one oh three five FM. So I get email Justice
at iHeartRadio dot com. Friend of the show, Michael left
me a email talking property taxes. A lot of comments
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rolling into the iHeartRadio app talkbacks brought to you by
Lyndall Realty regarding the property tax increases. We will be
diving into this next hour, so I'll hang on to
those talkbacks.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I also got this one from April.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I'll have to clean it up. I know it's really
in the morning, about to clean it up fro on
the air. It just simply says, uh.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Johnny why is it? Oh, Johnny Boy? I got Johnny
Boy already off to a good start. Johnny Boys. Yeah,
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
When people like to take our run at me, they
often use Johnny.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Like my mom called me Johnny. I find it endearing,
doesn't bother me at all.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Anyway, Johnny boy is the headline says you are TDS
or Trump blank suckers. Can't say that, can't say that word.
When are you going to wake up? I'm perfectly awake
right now. I got a great night sleep because of
the night coom. He's from Minni Leaf. Give me a
great night sleep last night?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
And it's quite the juxtaposition between the between the two there. Yeah, anyway,
feel free to email me colorful like that or not?
Justice at iHeartRadio dot com joining me, CEO of Expert Theory,
Friend of the Show, AI analyst de v de gartan
Stein Ross, Good morning to Vid.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
Good morning John And I never gave you permission to
read my email on air?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Was it AI generated?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I think AI writes better than that email.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You're You're probably correct. Let's let's go here. I didn't
I had this story to cover prior to bringing you
on this morning, but I actually broke on time, so
I'll share it with you. So Instagram has its new
meta Instagram metas promoting its new Artificial intelligence Free AI
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Creator tools on Instagram on Instagram with it. As part
of the promote is a piece of content AI generated
that shows a video of President Donald Trump kneeling before
it demon The screenshot of the AI generated video, showcased
in an advertisement for the tool, showed what looked like
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Donald Trump shaking hands with a Satan like figure before
kneeling before it.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The promotion read Meta.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
AI try free AI Creation tools and get featured on
the get app button. Apparently the video in question was
user generated content. According to a Meta spokesperson, it's been
removed from the recommendation as it violated the protocols for promotions.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I just thought it was funny to be Yeah, if
you go.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
To for example, Sola, which is the shat gpt slash
open AI video generation, you can see a lot of
user created material. And this theme is actually really, you know,
quite prevalent. Not let's be clear, not just like Trump
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and Satan, but the opposite, Right Trump next to Jesus
or next to God, Charlie Kirk, the same thing. Right
after he got killed, you had all this AI generated
art that either showed him in Heaven or showed him
in Hell.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
It's interesting, you know.
Speaker 8 (19:20):
Obviously the fact that it showed up in a promotion
tells you many many things. But this seems to be
a genre of art that people really like putting together
without realizing that it's already hackneyed.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I know, Divine, we have talked about this several times,
but I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it up again, and
I don't really have a through line here to what
we're going to speak of here, apart from it just
being AI generated.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But the amount of comedy.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Entertainment in the creation of different AI content I find
so incredibly entertaining. As a matter of fact, I had
meant to send it to you before you joined the show,
and the next break I'll forward it on. But I
have this compilation video that Defeat I must have watched
at least twelve times.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And all that it is.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It is a compilation of AI created videos of cats
playing various instruments on doorsteps at midnight with the owners
coming out and telling them to knock it off. It
is one of the funniest things that I have seen
in such a long period of time, and so regardless
of the concerns over AI. I am incredibly pleased at
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the amount of entertainment and funny content that we get
from these different AI creation models.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
So what I like at this is this is quite
literally the discussion at the outset of the advent of
the Internet and social media.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Right, A lot of problems, but cat videos.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You're right, there's more here. We'll have to work on it.
We'll have to workshop this. I think there's a further
discussion to be had.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Let's go, you can a stand up comedy routine.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Let's go, let's go here.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Speaking of AI creation, a country music song featuring a
male singer's voice generated by artificial intelligence reached the top
of the US charts for the first time last week. Now,
the artist with no identity widely reported by US media
to be powered by generative AI technology, at least as
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far as I've seen anything definitive coming from the creators
of the song to say this is this is AI breaking.
Rust does not claim to have used AI to create
their hit song, although it seems pretty obvious, but the
fact that the voice in the track is not associated
with any singer's name, and that the group's illustrations, photos
and clips are clearly created by artificial intelligence, has led
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the music industry to label Breaking Rust as an AI artist.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So before we continue further, what are just your initial
thoughts on this.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
There's one other clue too, which is the songwriter on
this song. The songwriter's credit is Aubier Rivaldo Taylor and
that name has come up one other time online, which
is an association of the group called Deafbeats AI, which
is which is identified as an AI project. So this
(22:10):
is clearly an AI generated song. Even like listening to
that snippet, there's a lot of different AI tells, right,
I would say that, you know, I think it's clear
not only that AI is performing, but that while there
was some human guidance into the style of the song
and the lyrical scheme, the songwriter was AI.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
AI writes in a certain way.
Speaker 8 (22:37):
Uh, there's kind of a few llmisms that are embedded
in the lyrics that we just listened to.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
What this points to.
Speaker 8 (22:44):
But that being said, John, this is catchy, right, yeah, yeah,
I mean we've talked about this. AI produces catchy music,
and you know, increasingly artists use AI in lots of
different ways. To me, it's really interesting. It throws down
the gauntlet. You know, if AI can write a chart
(23:06):
topping song, you know, humans need to step up your game.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Well, and we've talked about you know, Zema Phiz that
we've played on the show, that I've shared with the audience,
and how much people love love that song because it
is catchy. I my view on this is, and I
know that different companies are going to take different stances
regarding whether or not they want to utilize AI or
play AI music, But I think that you're gonna end
(23:31):
up seeing this, and we've discussed this before. I think
what you're going to see is sort of a sub
genre of music wherein it just lands in the category
of AI, and then the consumer can decide whether or
not they want to go and enjoy that. I do
find that that there's a big difference between an original
creation doing that thing with my fingers, like a song
(23:54):
walk my walk from this, you know, fictional band breaking rust,
as opposed to other AI created songs that are attempting
to duplicate existing artists or artists that have passed. There
seems to be a curiosity factor involved in those songs
and then shortly followed by a yeah, it's not the original.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I don't like it. I'm not going to listen to it.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
So I think there's a difference between the two types
of entertainment being created via music and AI.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, I agree with that. It's interesting.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
I could see a genre emerging in the future which
users not really current but past bands and creates new
music in their style. That wouldn't surprise me at all, right, Like,
there are different bands for the past people love, and
you know, some people would probably be interested to you know,
(24:49):
hear what Nirvana thinks of President Trump, for example, Sure,
or you pick your favorite, right, So it strikes me
that that right now, there's there's a complete stigma against this,
and there's a lot that's gross about having AI produce
songs from long gone artists weighing in, perhaps metaphorically, on
(25:17):
different challenges we face today. But I could see that
being a genre as well, Right, Like, if you look
at the what's happened during the course of our discussions
on AI, you know, we started out with AI. You know,
it was interesting, it had had the huge impact it
does and sort of like the untrue metaphor of a
boiling frog who will stay in the pot that boils
(25:41):
until it until it's dead.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
And you know that's false, right, it doesn't happen to frogs,
right like that? That song accurate rate.
Speaker 8 (25:50):
I like the metaphor even though it's untrue, and so
sort of like that, you still have, you know, occasionally
listeners weighing in and saying, isn't you know AI the
dog that didn't bark? It's not really having much of
an impact, but we see that it is right in
multiple ways.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
It's already transformed the world that we lived in.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
And we've gone from AI music when we first started
having these interviews not being a thing to now it's
it's topping a music chart and people asking the question
what do we do about that? The norms surrounding artificial
intelligence are changing rapidly, and if I were placing money down,
I would put my bet on There is also a
(26:31):
genre of past artists where AI is making them more contemporaneous,
and that that's going to be, you know, sort of accepted.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Well, what's interesting to me to beat is that we're
in this we're in this timeline right now with the
creation of AI where we're we're finding our way and
I'm curious at the and I'm fascinated at the unknown,
the questions that haven't arisen yet, considering that as we
(27:06):
embrace this emerging technology, as this technology advances, it's going
to it's opening up the doors and a lot of
venues and again a lot of questions that we're going
to need to have to answer as a society. And
we're not going to be able to get to those
questions without going through, you know, particular controversies.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
There's one here relating to the.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
School Water school, to the still Water School District that
we'll talk about here in a moment. But I think
this is a part of it, is you know, part
of it as well in terms of entertainment creation. We're
gonna we're in that trial and era phase right now,
and I just find all of that really interesting.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
Absolutely, I agree with all of that.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
And it's going to be an interesting process, including your
court cases, including your public controversies, fingerpointing, game calling.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
That is going to be part of the process of
working this out.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
One of the iHeartRadio app got to talk back friend
of the show, Raquel for you.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
I am really surprised, so Davide. I know he's an
AI analyst, an expert. He can tell that that song
was AI. I just thought that was fascinating that he
could tell, because I couldn't even tell.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Wow, deVie, let me add something to this before you mentioned.
I'm actually going to venture a guest that if Raquel
had spent some time listening to more time listening to
AI songs that in a relatively short period of time,
kind of like a coke and PEPSI test, I think
most people could probably be able to tell, even though
they may not be able to pinpoint.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
The reason why they are able to tell that it's AI.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
Yeah, I agree with that for Raquel. It's more that
not only if I listened to AI songs. You know,
for my company Expert Theory, we generate AI songs to
sometimes to fill out the pop culture universe of our games,
So I'm very used to their composition forces, which is
like the song you know, if you're listening to it
(29:04):
at the first time and haven't listened to a lot
of AI music, it obviously sounds human, but there's sort
of a thinness to the composition and a predictability to
the composition. But moreover, if you listen to the lyrical scheme,
like the lyrics are the lyrics are not good. And
just like there's certain phrases. Lllms use large language models
(29:24):
we use when they're writing for you, and you know,
if you have a large language model generated newspaper article,
there's going to be certain cliches that it uses where
you can tell right away that it's LLM written and
that in Walk by Walk, the rhyme scheme was a
very AI based rhyme scheme, where in different genres I've
heard basically that exact rhyme scheme before, which right now
(29:47):
is one of the AI tells.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
But it's a great question on Raquel's part.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
AI just follows similar patterns because it's generating so many
things constantly that it has its own you know, it's
its own things that will give you a sense of
this an AI, just like people have their own writing
style or their own speaking show. Whether it be something
that someone does that makes you know right away that
it's written by a friend of yours.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Well, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
We usually only played the first half of Zima Fizz,
the John Justice theme song, but if you listen to
the last part of the song, the last few bit
of lyrics in it, they're completely undecipherable, like I've tried
to figure out what a I was trying to say,
and it clearly ran out of ideas.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
So it just ends up having some word matchup.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
That kind of rhymes with the previous statement, and that's
a that could be a tell as well.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Let's go back to the go ahead to.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Me, I should say, maybe it's a metaphor for our interviews.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
That's probably true too. Let's go here.
Speaker 10 (30:44):
Hey, John, this is Nick calling in from the great
state of Arizona. And you know I've done some AI
stuff and You've played a couple of AI songs that
I've created, including will Be on the View. And the
way that I do it is I actually write the
songs and then upload a little demo to an AI generator,
(31:06):
so I'm actually writing the songs.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's just AI performing them devid. Let me play.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
There's another talkback that rolled in that relates to this.
Let me add this talk back to Nick's comment.
Speaker 11 (31:20):
My personal opinion is AI music is depressing. I like realism,
I like real people achieving real things.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Sure, but I remember a time when, you know, electronic
music in the early eighties, you know, began to become
more popular and there were people saying that it was
fake because individuals were using computers and synthesizers. And as
the previous talkback said, he's writing his own music and
he's just using the AI as a as a tool,
(31:53):
much like an individual would say, like.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Rock band on your Apple computer.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah, but do you love the combination of the two
together though? Mm hmm, right.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
I mean there are two great talkbacks which are two
different sides of this discussion. The first is, you know,
I wrote it. AI performed it, but I wrote it.
And the second was it's depressing, you need a human touch.
And finally you're the one who's filling it out that
at some point AI is going to be seen as
a natural part of our own composition, and we will
(32:23):
write in certain ways with AI that makes it feel
like our own.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I mean, that's just clearly the way that this is heading. Ultimately.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
You know, I'm sympathetic. I don't like walk by Walk, right,
I like it's catchy.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I don't like it.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
There's no there's no to be kind of human core
to that song. But for something where a human has
composed it, uh and it's bringing their vision to life,
I feel differently about it.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Let's we have enough time here, Let's go ahead and
tackle this. It's on a serious level talking about AI.
As we speak with David Gartenstein Ross Against CEO at
Expert Theory, are AI analyst, and really a horrible story
coming out of the Stillwater School District. Some parents are
now threatening to sue the school Stillwater School District, alleging
(33:15):
it did not protect students from a former employee who
has since been arrested for using artificial intelligence to create
sexually explicit photos of kids in his care. I mean,
it's just absolutely horrible. What's interesting about the story is
this individual has not worked for still Waters Summer Childcare
program since two thousand and four and was indicted on
(33:37):
federal charges earlier this year. However, Minnesota Senator Aaron make
Wade did introduce a bill that would require companies to
turn off consumer access to use, or even request to use,
this type of newification, as it's called in the story technology.
If any company fails, it could face a five hundred
(33:57):
thousand dollars fine and devieed. While I certainly do not
endorse or support the use of AI in this particular fashion,
it does seem like this could really open up Pandora's
box in terms of litigation, like is this something that
can be programmed out of an AI?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Is it stifling of AI creation?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean, often we don't want to push back on
this because it's a horrible thing of what this individual did,
but we need to look at the further ramifications and
unintended consequences of moving forward with legislation that would sort
of restrict this type of technology.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
What are your thoughts.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
I'd support the legislation, okay, just because I think the
use of nutification technology is so grotesque. It can be
used to produce things like you know, fictitious revenge board
or like your people in the public sphere could suddenly
see nude pictures of themselves leaking out online that look
(34:56):
very real and that are used to kind of humiliate
and degrade. And in this case, it was used for
child pornography. Sure, this is I mean, leave aside AI.
What he did is just it's it's illegal under even
pre AI laws. But here like what was being done
with him using photos of children in his care to
(35:19):
create child pornography based on kids that he had access
to repulsive. So for me, I would support the prescription
on neutification technology. It's actually very easy to do, and
there's already a lot of things that are black boxed
out of what you can touch with AI, including like
if you're trying to assassinate someone, AI will not help
(35:42):
you on that. If you're generally speaking, if you're trying
to figure out how to create a synthetic drug, if
you're trying to figure out how to create fentanyl, AI
will not help you with that.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Most of these are blocked out, and I.
Speaker 8 (35:55):
Think that in this case it's something where the public
utility is so low that stopping neutification, to me is
very intuitive and one of those things that will help
AI from descending into a sesspool.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Or at the very delay AI descending into a sesspool.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh, you certainly answer my question, because that's what I
was curious about, and that's why I appreciate when you
have the opportunity to join.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Us every single week.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Our conversation seemed to fly by, but I appreciate the
time that we had this morning. De v tot Gartenstein
Ross against CEO at Expert Theory. Hopefully we can talk
again next weekend. As always, if anybody has any further questions,
for David. You can email me Justice at iHeartRadio dot
com and I'm happy to go and forward those over.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
David, thank you so much for the time this morning.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Thank you, John. It's great joining you.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Coming up, has some audio to share.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
First off, I'm going to ask the question if this
is the last Christmas for New York City.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And then I have.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Audio not only from Zohram Mom Donnie, but a ridiculous
post from Peggy Flanagan that I'll share with you. I
don't even want to give you the preview of what
she said. I just want just stick around for you. You
don't want to you don't want to go anywhere. This
is all going to roll into the conversation regarding the
increase in property taxes here in Minnesota. Many of you
(37:17):
have left comments already. We will get to those, and
Ryan Wilson, candidate for Lieutenant Governor, will be joining me
in studio coming up at seven thirty here on Twinsday's
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