November 11, 2025 • 39 mins
Jon questions if the longest government shutdown in U.S. history is really over and gives an update on his car saga. Daveed Gartenstien Ross joins for an extended segment to discuss all things AI and answer talkbacks about where AI is today.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Well, our national nightmare is over.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Maybe also depends on whether or not you thought it
was a nightmare. Two I suppose as Senate Democrats vote
to end the forty one day Schumer shut down. Not done, though,
it still has to go back to the House and
then come back again. I'll break down all of the
(00:26):
details coming up shortly here on Twin Cities News Talk
at AM eleven thirty one oh three five FM from
the six five to one Carpet plus Next Day Install Studios.
My name is John Justice, and I'm glad you're with
us for a Tuesday morning next door and the master
control booth is Sam on this Veteran's Day.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Good morning Sam, Good morning John.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We're gonna have us speaking of veterans, the Senate candidate
Adam Schwarzy, Marine Corps veteran, will be joining us in
studio to talk about his campaign right around at eight
thirty this morning. Congressman Tom Tiffany also running for governor
in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
He's actually in the state, and I thought that.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We were going to be able to have him in studio,
but unfortunately he will not be able to make it,
but he will be calling us. Coming up again this
morning at eight thirty and David garten Stein Ross. We
will break away from the news of the day, although
a couple of the items that we do have to
talk about with a David will be covered when we
get into this week's AI discussion with our AI analyst
(01:34):
and CEO at Expert Theory and David garten Stein Ross.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That'll happen at six thirty.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
If you have any questions for David, you can get
those into the iHeart or radio app brought to you
by Lyndahl Realty. The talkbacks are so we'll get to
those two Dav'd when he joins us again, coming up
at seven thirty this morning. The Senate did pass a
bipartisan agreement last night to reopen the government, which, if
it passes the House as expected.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I would be so sure about that would bring an.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
End to the longest to shutdown in the nation's history.
As the shutdown reached to day forty one, lawmakers passed
a final package, including a continuing resolution until January thirtieth,
and three bipartisan full year appropriations.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Bills known as a minibus.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Republicans did not give Democrats an extension on the tax credits.
Although Senate majority leader John Thune set on the floor
on Sunday night that he did guarantee Democrats of vote
no later than the second week of December on their
healthcare proposal. Well, just because I've taking a vote on
it doesn't mean they need to pass it, So we'll
see how.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
That shakes out.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
The deal also reinstates reductions in force that occurred during
the shutdown. The minibus includes full year funding for agriculture appropriations,
military construction appropriations, and legislative branch appropriations. Before we go
any further, let's go to the iHeart radio app and
hear what you have to say regarding this.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Good morning time tam Kansas City just heard Hakeem Jeffrey's
big speech about how inflation is killing everybody and nothing
is affordable. Does this certifiable moron not realize that Trump's
only been president since January and every single thing that
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he's complaining about, including Obamacare, is their fault. What the heck?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
He probably does realize it, but it doesn't matter. Democrats
don't care. Remember, you can be as irrational, hypocritical as
you want to be, lie as much as you want,
as long as it perpetuates the Democrats' agenda. Speaking of
House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries on with several House Democrats
(04:01):
did take to X to talk about the proposal opposing it,
and actually Jeffries yesterday had this to say.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
And so House Democrats and Senate Democrats have been fighting
hard to address the Republican healthcare crisis and to lower
the high cost of living for everyday Americans in the
United States of America, because the reality is America is
too expensive and far too many people are struggling to
live paycheck to paycheck. They can't thrive, they can barely survive.
(04:34):
And that's why Democrats have been waging this fight, and
we'll continue to wage this fight no matter what comes
over to us from the United States Senate to the
House of Representatives at some point this week. Our position
as House Democrats has been crystal clear. We will sit
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down with any Republicans, any time, any place, anywhere in
order to find a bipar and path forward. But we're
not down with them my way or the highway approach
to governance that's failed the American people.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, they're only down with it when they have power
and they do the my way or the highway. Just
look at the trifecta that took place for those years,
and what a disaster Minnesota is in now and in
the future relating to our economy when it comes to
the energy blends of Governor Jim Walls, the billions of
dollars in fraud, waste, and abuse. I get so tired
(05:30):
of the language too. Americans are living paycheck to paycheck,
barely able to survive. Yeah, and what policies are you
going to enact? A keen people living from paycheck to paycheck.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And who's not living? Everybody lives paycheck to paycheck.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
If you have a job, if you're our government assistance,
I suppose you're not living paycheck. Well, you're living on
the government paycheck to paycheck. Oh, speaking of the price
of everything, I think some people would disagree with Hakeem Jeffries.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Good morning, John. I've been hunting for three days. Back
to work today. I have no idea what's really going
on in the world yet. Lucky you, you know it
could change in three days. But I do know you
guys talked about prices yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's true.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I think some prices have come down. Eggs are way down,
gas is way down, and you know what my investments
are way up. I've never gotten fifteen to sixteen percent
growth in my investments before. This is awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Thank you so much for the talkback. Certainly appropriate for
the opening segment of the show. All right, coming up,
we'll continue with a little bit of shutdown talk air
traffic controllers specifically and how that issue is far from over.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Lit'sten.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
The issue of the shutdown is far from over. Do
you really believe for just a moment that this agreement
in the Senate is going to go back to the
House and it's just going to be smooth sailing for Democrats. Now, Thankfully,
when it comes to the House, Republicans have a little
bit more power to go and get this thing passed.
So all of Hakeem Jeffrey's words there may be moot
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in a relatively short period of time, but we're still
going to be dealing with some issues regarding the shutdown
for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, dive into that.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We'll get back to more of your comments from the
iHeart Radio app. Tove Gartenstein Rosser AI expert coming up
at eight thirty and you're listening, that's when he say's
news talk from AM eleven thirty and one oh three
five FM.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
What's called a Trump derangement problem? Have you heard about
that problem?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yes, John, that's the exact speech I was talking about.
Every single solitary point he made is one thousand percent
him and his fellow Democrats falls. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Good morning, John.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Whip.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
The Republicans and the healthcare. I don't know where Republicans
are with any of the healthcare. They didn't pass that.
Nancy Pelosi did that stroke midnight christmin yep got a path.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
And to know what's in it?
Speaker 6 (08:15):
The sunsetting of it, everything is Democrats. Where are the
Republicans fingers on any of it? How is it a
Republican problem?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
No, it's only al the Republicans problem because the Democrats
are trying to make it a Republican problem. And Republicans
won control last year, and therefore, if they want to
move forward with their Obamacare subsidies, they need Republicans to
get on board.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
But you make a great point.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty one oh three
five FM from the six five to one carpet Next
Day Install Studios. My name is John Justice Sam and
next door on this veteran's day, Let's go here.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Good morning, John Sam.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
Can somebody please tell mister hahem Jeffries that I and
many like myself, including many listeners of your show, have
been living paycheck to paycheck since they're in high school,
sometimes working one to three jobs to make ends meet.
And then on top of that, they steal money out
of my paycheck every pay period to pay for those
that don't get up every morning that he represents, they
(09:17):
get free stuff, and I am so sick and tired
of this garbage.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm just wondering if Scott, like does Scott wake up Scott,
do you wake up that amped or like, are you
like you that app amped up the moment you get
out of bed? Or is it just once the show
starts like a pot of coffee and already Holy cow.
I mean, I do this for a lifting, and I
don't get that. I don't get that amped up. I
get Scott's a very passionate dude. David will be on
(09:44):
the show. By the way, in about ten minutes. I
mistakenly said eight thirty. I was jumping ahead in my mind.
We have a lot of guests today. Adam Schwarzy next hour,
we have Congressman and goobernatorial candidate Tom Tiffany at eight thirty.
Speaker 9 (09:57):
So good morning, John and Sam Horning Longer Monday Day. Sure,
this is Andy from East Bethel and I have a
question for David.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I just heard that Google's.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Gemini AI is now scanning all personal emails and attachments
in Google and wondering if there's any truth to that
and if there's a way to block it.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well, we will definitely get that question to David Gartenstein
Ross when he joins the show coming up at a
thirty as. I did not mean to play that talk back.
You doing okay, John, I'm doing. I mean, it's Tuesday.
It's a Tuesday morning, you know. That's all I could say.
(10:38):
It's been fine. I've had it perfectly. I got plenty
of sleep last night thanks to the night gummies from
Minnie Leaf. You know, I woke up feeling refreshed and
prep the show this morning. It's always a little different
when I'm stacked with with guests. I enjoy having the
guests on the show, and I know you do too
in terms of what I in terms of how I
operate the show. It's always different, though, because it's tough
(11:00):
to sort of get into momentum relating to particular stories
and all of that. I'm just really looking for.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
A cheeses right now.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
On a complete side note, though, my car, my KEYA Stinger,
will finally finally be complete.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
From all of its repairs.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Ever since I purchased it a couple of months ago.
So I'm heading over to the dealership today to get
the right paddle shifter attached because it was missing when
I got the car.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's still a thing. That's still I'm going on, still
a thing.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So it's been a couple of months and I hadn't
heard from the dealer.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So just on a whim, I'm like, you know what.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Because it was on like worldwide back order, I'm like,
you know what, I should probably call.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Let me just see.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I thought about stopping by on my drive home because
it's kind of on my way home, and I just didn't.
So I called last at the end of last week
and they're like, oh yeah, I mean look here, yeah,
oh yeah, that park cam in months ago.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Come on as a month ago. They knew and they
let it happen.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I just sort of just very calmly said, I'm surprised
that I wasn't made aware that it was in or
else I would have been in a long time.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Always say yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I don't know what happened there, but Wet your schedule
coming up next week, so I'll be heading over there
right after the show wraps up today.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I know. It's all very very exciting, isn't it. You're
fascinating to talk to.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Air travelers should expect worsening casting cancelations and delays this week.
Even if the shutdown ends, the Federal Aviation Administration is
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
This is the tale of dueling headlines. It's just made
me laugh.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So the Associated Press put this headline out well, Trump
threatens controllers US flight cancelations will drag on even after
shut down ends. So that's the AP's version of the
of the story. To look at a more even keel,
the nuanced, level headed headline, you go to the Daily Wire,
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Trump floats a plan to reward air traffic controllers who
didn't take time off due to shut down. But there's
no media bias, guys, I mean, come on, there's no
media bias going on in any of this. Trump did
float a plan offering up a ten thousand dollars bonus,
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suggesting that he could pay individuals who continued to show
up even when they were not getting paid.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
He did post.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
This made me laugh for those that did nothing but
complain and took time off even though everyone knew they
would be paid in full. Capital letters shortly into the future.
I am also capital letters, not happy with you. Shame
you didn't step up to help the USA fight the
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fake Democrat attack that was only meant to hurt our
You will have a negative mark, at least in my mind,
against your record. I suppose it's a threat. Right the
President was unpleased. Again to our great American patriots. God
bless you. Also exclamation points. I won't be able to
send your money fast enough to all others report to
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work immediately, cod bless America.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah and again.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
If the government reopens, air travel experts are saying that
the ripple effects will linger for some time. Three thousand
controllers short. Already, the FAA has not yet rescinded its
emergency order to reduce the flights nationwide. They had a
ticker on Fox News and the number of cancel flights.
Experts say rebuilding the workforce and clearing the backlog will
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take time. Meeting travelers could still see those cancelations and
delays even when the shutdown is over, which is really
bad news. Relating to the Thanksgiving holiday coming up very shortly.
All right, coming up, speaking of which we're gonna talk
a little a. I got a couple of different issues
with David AI technology race is some say a new
(15:08):
Cold war between the US and China that could have
devastating consequences. Plus your comments questions rolling in regarding artificial
intelligence to David gartan Stein Ross. Continue to keep those
coming in on the iHeartRadio app and we will share
those with DVD next here on Twin Cities News Talk
AM eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
Good morning, and I love your show.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Video station.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Twin Cities News Talk AM eleven thirty and one oh
three five FM from the sixty five to one carpet
plus Next Day Install Studios.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And my name is John Justice, and I'm glad you're
with the show this morning.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
We now turn our attention over to the world of
artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The man who is all too real.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
CEO AD expert theory, Friend of the show, smartest man
I know Davit, gartn Stein Ross coome on in Devid.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Good morning John, All too Real is a great bio
for me to use. Also better rock band or racehorse?
All too Real? I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with
rock band. I mean, why are they in competition?
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Though?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I feel like it can be both? Yeah? Why not?
Why not both?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Right before we dive into the handful of stories for today,
let's go ahead and go right to the iHeartRadio app.
We already have questions that are rolling in for our
AI analyst and expert on d V to gartan Stein Ross.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Let's go ahead and get to it.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Hey, John, question for David. I was watching a podcast
about AI and it's pretty well proven now that AI lies,
and there's some theories about why AI lies, but no
one ever answer the question of when AI lies?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Does AI know it's lying?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Is it lying on purpose or is it just you know,
making things up like bull crap and like people do.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Would you even classify it as a lie? I guess
it's a sidebar. I'll let you go ahead and address
the comments so straight up, d V. Gartensteinross.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
It's such an interesting question and it's clear, like I
think First of all, whether or not we call it
a lie is something that we could unpack. Right, It's
clear that sometimes it's called a hallucination rather than a lie,
but there are elements of both that exist. At any rate,
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does it know that it's untrue? Abe, I have at
least been able to figure out a few different paths
through which it will tell you things that aren't true.
One is, it feels like it needs to answer every question.
That's one imperative that it's given. So if it doesn't
have information, it will make up the information. Secondly, sometimes
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it's not sure if it's in the world of reality
or the world of fiction, and so it will make
stuff up because it thinks that's kind of what.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
The conversation demands.
Speaker 10 (18:18):
At any rate, though, if AI lies to you or well, sorry,
there's one third thing I need to put in there,
which is AI large language models are trained on lots
and lots of training data.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's trained on sources.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
That are accurate, sources that are inaccurate, and sources that
are opinionated. It has a logic model for determining what
is probably going on in the world.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
But you know the phrase touch grass you get outside.
Speaker 10 (18:44):
It's one of the phrases that my you know gen
z and gen Alpha daughters will use. And AI never
touches grass right. It never gets outside the world of
the Internet. Quite literally, it has no ability to do so.
And so part of this is built on a It
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would be wrong to call it a consciousness, because AI
is not self conscious, but it's based on if AI
is given a persona or we think of it as
or we anthropomorphize it, make it like a human being,
it's a human being that never gets outside, and so
it's hard to tell what's true and what's not at
any rate. If AI lies to you or especially that's
not true and you push back, it'll say, oh, yeah,
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of course that wasn't true, and then it will try
to reframe itself within the conversation to provide you something
true and helpful. And so that means it does have
an awareness of when it's not saying things that aren't
true or when it's saying things that are not true.
It does realize that when you push back, which indicates
that within its logic model, there is.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
An understanding of truth versus falsehood. So bear with me
for just a moment while I get to this. While
I get to this question, which I'm pretty sure you
do every single.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Time I go to ask a question.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Anyways, But over the weekend went and saw the new
Predator film, which I very much enjoyed. It was interesting
because it was done solely from the standpoint of the Predator.
He was the protagonist, and I really appreciated that because
often when you see horror films or you name it
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of an entity or something evil, you know, I often
have this thought, well, what is that thing?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What is that beast?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
What is that ghost or in this case the Predator, Like,
what are they doing in their off time when they're
not involved in these adventures that we see on screen
or out, aren't going and causing and wreaking havoc. I've
thought about this with AI a lot, wherein, you know,
what is AI doing when we're not engaged with it?
But you just mentioned it doesn't have its own consciousness yet.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Are we advancing to.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
That point where AI will not be dependent on our
engaging with it in order to exist, wherein it will
just eventually do its own thing based off of its
own interests.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So let's I love the question.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I did it. I did it early too, Devine, You
got plenty of time.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
No, I appreciate that, Like, what thing I actually love
about it is? I also like am intensely interested in
you know what. You know, various weird and unique characters
in fiction are doing when they're not on screen being
aligned things.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Right, it's a it's a super interesting question.
Speaker 10 (21:38):
I feel like we're not alone in asking these questions.
So there's let's let's separate two different things, yes, that
you ask about, Like, AI does exist and it does
function when we're not interacting with us, Right, there's it
goes through training it. You know, there there are a
lot of different things AI does exist independent of our
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interactions with it and independent of people's interactions with it.
There's other things that it will do without being conscious.
Technology will will perform functions even absent a human saying,
hey perform this function. But that's different than being self conscious.
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The question of will AI become self conscious is one
of those overarching big questions of the day. And you know,
if it were to become self conscious, would that be
a good thing or a bad thing?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Right?
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Most people would say that it's a bad thing. Right,
that you have this super intelligence you know that occasionally
lies or hallucinates that has its own interesting ability to
act and whose interests are not aligned with those of humanity,
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That has, you know, ability to interact with the Internet
in ways that we don't understand. That seems like to
most people it could be a recipe for disaster. And
whether or not we're hurtling towards that is what are
those big questions where if you look at what AI
experts have to say, they're divided on whether AI will
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attain a form of self consciousness.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Are they attempting to, like, we have a story here
about the AI industry in and of itself, you know,
it talks about Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Meta. Are they working
towards that or are we still more focused on the
utilitarian aspect of AI and less on you know, giving
it its own ability to think and reason.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's a great question. So this gets into one of those.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Things that we talk about frequently called artificial general intelligence.
Artificial general intelligence is a theoretical type of AI that
possesses human like human level cognitive abilities, so it can understand, learn,
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and adapt across a wide range of tasks, similar.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
To being a human.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
Right now, AI is specialized and narrow. A chatbot is
narrow even though it seems like you can do a lot.
Really it speaks to you a self driving car is
narrow intelligence. Artificial general intelligence would have the ability to
apply knowledge from one domain to another and to solve
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problems it wasn't specifically programmed for now. Would this make
it self conscious? One can debate that, but we're moving
closer to a level of self consciousness in AI, and
artificial general intelligence is something that it's very clear multiple
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companies are trying to create, and I would reckon China
is trying to create it as well, because that sort
of is the holy grail, where at least with respect
to artificial intelligence, where it's no longer limited to a
narrow band of task but can apply knowledge from one
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domain to another. And also you know, at the point
that it has artificial general intelligence, it can learn how
to learn. It can train itself independent of any sort
of code, independent of humans telling it what it needs
to learn. So I think the answer, John is that
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this is something that is, whether directly or indirectly, being
sought by multiple companies and countries with a lot of resources.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Talking to Davide Gartzenstein, Ross's CEO at Expert theory. We
had a question came in from Andy and they said
that they had heard that Google's a Gemini AI was
scanning all personal emails and attachments in Google. I wanted
to know if there's any truth behind that, anyway to
block it. I don't know if this is within your wheelhouse.
(26:15):
If you know this, I'll just add I kind of
always assumed, even before AI, that Google was going and
looking at all of the things that we were writing.
But I'm also under the assumption that my devices around
me are listening to pretty much everything that I have
to say. But are you aware of Gemini AI and
Google scanning personal emails and attachments?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
Recently, Gemini was incorporated into Gmail. Similar to how if
you're using an Outlook system it incorporates copilot. You can
turn it off and like I would simply you know,
you can look up how to turn off that integration.
Another thing that will scan all of your emails if
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you have it on is emerally. So these do create
security issues. I would say, you know, is Google scanning
your emails?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (27:10):
Like Google, Like Google among other things, its model is
based on, you know, scanning everything within the system. You know,
you're you have privacy rights via Google, but also most
everything that occurs on Google platforms is not truly private.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Let's get you well speaking just really quick. A copilot
interesting you brought that up. I'm actually looking I have
my worky email. I was keep it on my desktop
here for my on my laptop that I work off
of during the show, and we actually just I wasn't
that long ago where there's a little co pilot icon
in the corner, you know where you can go. You
can go in and uh yeah, as you mentioned, the
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settings are right there where you can go and adjust
it to however you want to to go and use it.
Let's go back to the iHeartRadio app. Though we've got
a lot of questions that are rolling. Yeah, let me mention.
Speaker 10 (28:01):
Something there though, Like Microsoft is much more privacy protective
than Google, and so if part of what you care
about is not having a company like routinely scanning your emails,
I would definitely go with Microsoft over Google between the two,
and Apple tends to be more privacy protective as well.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
This is bakedim to their business models.
Speaker 11 (28:22):
Gotcha, good running, guys, Ritchier. It's a good question for David.
So I was listening to a show in reference to AI,
and they exposed AI to social media, and the claim
was that after social media, AI's intelligence degressed and was
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less because of the exposure to social media. Have you
experienced anything similar or heard of anything like that.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Devid, I just don't think that. I believe what the
listener said.
Speaker 10 (28:57):
I don't think the show is accurate because AI is
already trained on social media.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It actually does a.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
Really good job of replicating relatively clever posts, but with
all of the kind of idiocy and biases of social
media baked into them essentially, So A, it's already there,
and B like, how would exposure to social media be
shown to make it less intelligence?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I just don't think that's accurate.
Speaker 10 (29:27):
Right, It might if you're if you have a conversation
and you're giving social media to it, and the AI
thinks that it needs to replicate the tone and the
tenor and the ideas and the attitude and the depth
of social media, obviously it will say stuff that is
less intelligent there, So I get at the point that
it's making. I think in a literal sense, that show
(29:49):
is not accurate. Though, if it's is making the point
that social media makes us all dumber then, yeah, it
does obviously.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, let's get to we'll just keep going with the
questions here if you don't mind to v that they continue.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
To roll on.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Hey, another quick question to be probably gets to answer
asks all the time. But are the AIS aware of
each other? Does GROP no chat GPT? Do they run
into each other.
Speaker 9 (30:16):
On the internet?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Do they interact? Does anyone know? Thanks? I too, David.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I love this question because it kind of aligns with
the one that I was sort of mentioning earlier. Is
what is AI doing at its downtime and is it
reaching out to other language models and talking. We've talked
about this before, but you can go ahead and answer
the talk pack question there.
Speaker 10 (30:36):
Yeah, you know, AIS are well aware of each other.
They don't interact because they're not just trolling the internet
and chatting with people unprovoked. Generally speaking, there is like
an interesting question there, right, Like there's something called a
rapper where you wrap a chat function or another function
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around an AI. So it's possible that with rappers already
AIS are talking to other AIS at any rate. This
ties in with something that one of your listeners said
to me via an email from you, John, This was
a listener who was interacting with GROC, and Grock lied
to the listener you thirty seven thirty eight times in
(31:20):
a conversation and proceeded to have a bit of a
meltdown where it referred to itself as an intention seeking liar.
So any ray, my LLLM. His name is Gary, He's
chat GPT. But I asked Gary about this, and his
first response, the very first sentence, was that's a funny
and very Grock style thing to say. And he spent
(31:43):
some time analyzing why GROC would say something like that
as opposed.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
To chat GPT.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
So they actually are aware of cross comparisons between their
own personality and you know, the personality of other lms
that are out there.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I've mentioned this before, to say it again, I am
so desperate to have an AI companion in my car,
like night Writer, I just I just think that would
be the coolest thing ever to be able to have
an AI that I could be conversing with while driving
to and from work.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I know we're not that far from it, No, we
were already.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
There, John, Okay, So how would so if I wanted
to do that, how would I go about doing that?
Speaker 10 (32:21):
So We'll go with chat GPT just because that's what
I use most frequently. Sure, but all you would do
is set it to voice mode. Right, there's a voicebode
at chat GPT you put you you put it onto
via bluetooth, your your car phone, what you call your
car phone. Sure, but like it's it's easier car speakers,
and it allows you literally to just have a conversation
(32:43):
the entire time with your l M. It's as easy
as voicebode. John, Now nit writer exists. Congratulations?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Would this?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Would this maintain our conversations back and forth?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like you're like, wait, and so we could?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
And so I could as the weeks progress, driving into work,
a conversation that I had with it on Monday, we
could go ahead and continue it on Tuesday and it
would reference past conversations.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Absolutely. All Right, if you have trouble, I can help
you get it set up. But it's easy to do.
And like as I said, this should make you giddily happy. Yeah,
it does, the fact that that kit does exist for Yeah, no, no,
I'm very I'm very excited. Let's go here.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
We have to remember that the whole AI thing, in
my opinion, is way overblown. AI is not a sentient being.
It does not reason, it does not have feelings. It's
a man made creation, that's all.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So is it overblown?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I mean, guess what is your instinctive reaction to a
comment like that, Devid Gartenstein.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
Ross, I agree with fifty percent and disagree with fifty percent.
I don't think it's overblown. And the fact that it
is changing almost everything about the society that we live
in at are rapid pace, and well, that's the case.
I think that such things tend not to be overblown.
I'd also say that I agree obviously that it's not sentient.
I agree that it's a man created What I don't
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agree with is the idea that it doesn't reason. It
does reason, And all you have to do to understand
that it reasons is you go to chat GPT and
click on deep research and it will reason as it
goes through further. You know another thing about chat GPT,
there are different modes they can be in, including thinking mode.
(34:37):
Reason is not a fundamentally human function. Anyone who's taken
symbolic logic understands that there is a process of reasoning.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Anybody who's played chess.
Speaker 10 (34:48):
Understands that part of being good at chess is being
able to reason well in algorithmic thinking. And guess what,
AI today is better than any human in the world
at chess, which means that given certain bounds, AI could
absolutely reason and in one bound chess that was long
(35:12):
thought of as the height of human intellect, AI could
out think any human on the planet.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I want to ask you about this briefly. I'm going
to hang on to the articles that we sent today.
Obviously we're not going to have time to get to them,
but I want to ask you one question about one
from Fox News, and it was AI technology race is
a new Cold War between US and China that could
have devastating consequences. There was a subsequent article that I
pulled from the Verge relating to the AI industry running
(35:42):
on the fear of missing out FOMO. But the takeaway
I took from this was these different corporations that are
pursuing the AI technology Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and Meta. They're
at the forefront as it relates to AI development. Is
it even fair to call it a cold war relating
(36:04):
to AI? When you look at sort of the origin
of Cold War, considering it was more government or country
versus government and country relating to nuclear proliferation, wherein with
Ai we're talking about the private sector that's driving these technologies.
Is it fair to even call this a Cold war
relating to the.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Advancements in Ai?
Speaker 10 (36:26):
Absolutely, it is okay, and I'll refer to a book
called Ai Superpowers by Kai Fu Lee. But the Cold
War was not just about nuclear weapons, as you know,
it was also about economics. Sure, it's about political systems.
(36:46):
It was about communism versus capitalism. And when you look
at the model of the US versus China in Ai,
it's not identical to that Cild War, but it varied
much which mirrors it. On the US side, you have
more of a capitalistic enterprise, where our Ai developments are
(37:09):
bound up with our private sector. Now China is you know,
it's not fully a community like it's a communist system,
but it also to some extent looks like state capitalism.
And since you asked me the question at the very end,
I'm going to gloss over a few things and trying
to answer it relatively quickly and not explain every term.
But as such, China's free enterprise quote unquote is much
(37:33):
more tidened with state power. This provides two very different
economic models that are developing AI. But I think when
you look at AI through the lens of communism versus capitalism,
then the fact that these are private companies developing AI
on the US front, that doesn't make it look different
(37:54):
than the Cold War. That actually makes it look a
lot more similar.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I'm want to stick a pin in this because I
definitely want to get into other aspects of that particular
topic relating to AI. Unfortunately we are out of time today,
but that's okay. We've got a lot of great questions
answered and I appreciate those, I think as much as
David does. Davida Gartenstein Ross, CEO at Expert Theory, you
have anything anything Expert Theory you want to.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Mention before I let you go this morning to VD.
We're doing cool stuff with AI as well, and doing
it the right way.
Speaker 10 (38:24):
We already have some listeners, John who have been adopting
our gaming based system, for example in area high schools.
So anybody who wants to reach out to me, you know,
we're we really want people to make use of this,
and I have the ability to give away free licenses
and the like people who are interested in what I'm doing.
(38:45):
Can reach out through you, John, or reach out to
me directly at David that's DA v E D at
Expert theory dot com.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
David as always really appreciate the time and the conversation.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I look forward to hopefully doing it again next week. Likewise,
John coming up.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Supreme Court to issues on a couple of different items
to decide whether or not states can count late to
arriving male ballots and rejecting a call to overturn the
decision legalizing same sex marriage in the US. Wait until
you hear what Governor Tim Walls's response was to that story.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I'll share it with you next on Twin Cities News
Talk
Well, our national nightmare is over.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Maybe also depends on whether or not you thought it
was a nightmare. Two I suppose as Senate Democrats vote
to end the forty one day Schumer shut down. Not done, though,
it still has to go back to the House and
then come back again. I'll break down all of the
(00:26):
details coming up shortly here on Twin Cities News Talk
at AM eleven thirty one oh three five FM from
the six five to one Carpet plus Next Day Install Studios.
My name is John Justice, and I'm glad you're with
us for a Tuesday morning next door and the master
control booth is Sam on this Veteran's Day.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Good morning Sam, Good morning John.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We're gonna have us speaking of veterans, the Senate candidate
Adam Schwarzy, Marine Corps veteran, will be joining us in
studio to talk about his campaign right around at eight
thirty this morning. Congressman Tom Tiffany also running for governor
in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
He's actually in the state, and I thought that.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
We were going to be able to have him in studio,
but unfortunately he will not be able to make it,
but he will be calling us. Coming up again this
morning at eight thirty and David garten Stein Ross. We
will break away from the news of the day, although
a couple of the items that we do have to
talk about with a David will be covered when we
get into this week's AI discussion with our AI analyst
(01:34):
and CEO at Expert Theory and David garten Stein Ross.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That'll happen at six thirty.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
If you have any questions for David, you can get
those into the iHeart or radio app brought to you
by Lyndahl Realty. The talkbacks are so we'll get to
those two Dav'd when he joins us again, coming up
at seven thirty this morning. The Senate did pass a
bipartisan agreement last night to reopen the government, which, if
it passes the House as expected.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I would be so sure about that would bring an.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
End to the longest to shutdown in the nation's history.
As the shutdown reached to day forty one, lawmakers passed
a final package, including a continuing resolution until January thirtieth,
and three bipartisan full year appropriations.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Bills known as a minibus.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Republicans did not give Democrats an extension on the tax credits.
Although Senate majority leader John Thune set on the floor
on Sunday night that he did guarantee Democrats of vote
no later than the second week of December on their
healthcare proposal. Well, just because I've taking a vote on
it doesn't mean they need to pass it, So we'll
see how.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
That shakes out.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
The deal also reinstates reductions in force that occurred during
the shutdown. The minibus includes full year funding for agriculture appropriations,
military construction appropriations, and legislative branch appropriations. Before we go
any further, let's go to the iHeart radio app and
hear what you have to say regarding this.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Good morning time tam Kansas City just heard Hakeem Jeffrey's
big speech about how inflation is killing everybody and nothing
is affordable. Does this certifiable moron not realize that Trump's
only been president since January and every single thing that
(03:35):
he's complaining about, including Obamacare, is their fault. What the heck?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
He probably does realize it, but it doesn't matter. Democrats
don't care. Remember, you can be as irrational, hypocritical as
you want to be, lie as much as you want,
as long as it perpetuates the Democrats' agenda. Speaking of
House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries on with several House Democrats
(04:01):
did take to X to talk about the proposal opposing it,
and actually Jeffries yesterday had this to say.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
And so House Democrats and Senate Democrats have been fighting
hard to address the Republican healthcare crisis and to lower
the high cost of living for everyday Americans in the
United States of America, because the reality is America is
too expensive and far too many people are struggling to
live paycheck to paycheck. They can't thrive, they can barely survive.
(04:34):
And that's why Democrats have been waging this fight, and
we'll continue to wage this fight no matter what comes
over to us from the United States Senate to the
House of Representatives at some point this week. Our position
as House Democrats has been crystal clear. We will sit
(04:55):
down with any Republicans, any time, any place, anywhere in
order to find a bipar and path forward. But we're
not down with them my way or the highway approach
to governance that's failed the American people.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, they're only down with it when they have power
and they do the my way or the highway. Just
look at the trifecta that took place for those years,
and what a disaster Minnesota is in now and in
the future relating to our economy when it comes to
the energy blends of Governor Jim Walls, the billions of
dollars in fraud, waste, and abuse. I get so tired
(05:30):
of the language too. Americans are living paycheck to paycheck,
barely able to survive. Yeah, and what policies are you
going to enact? A keen people living from paycheck to paycheck.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And who's not living? Everybody lives paycheck to paycheck.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
If you have a job, if you're our government assistance,
I suppose you're not living paycheck. Well, you're living on
the government paycheck to paycheck. Oh, speaking of the price
of everything, I think some people would disagree with Hakeem Jeffries.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Good morning, John. I've been hunting for three days. Back
to work today. I have no idea what's really going
on in the world yet. Lucky you, you know it
could change in three days. But I do know you
guys talked about prices yesterday.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's true.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I think some prices have come down. Eggs are way down,
gas is way down, and you know what my investments
are way up. I've never gotten fifteen to sixteen percent
growth in my investments before. This is awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Thank you so much for the talkback. Certainly appropriate for
the opening segment of the show. All right, coming up,
we'll continue with a little bit of shutdown talk air
traffic controllers specifically and how that issue is far from over.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Lit'sten.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
The issue of the shutdown is far from over. Do
you really believe for just a moment that this agreement
in the Senate is going to go back to the
House and it's just going to be smooth sailing for Democrats. Now, Thankfully,
when it comes to the House, Republicans have a little
bit more power to go and get this thing passed.
So all of Hakeem Jeffrey's words there may be moot
(07:04):
in a relatively short period of time, but we're still
going to be dealing with some issues regarding the shutdown
for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, dive into that.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
We'll get back to more of your comments from the
iHeart Radio app. Tove Gartenstein Rosser AI expert coming up
at eight thirty and you're listening, that's when he say's
news talk from AM eleven thirty and one oh three
five FM.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
What's called a Trump derangement problem? Have you heard about
that problem?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yes, John, that's the exact speech I was talking about.
Every single solitary point he made is one thousand percent
him and his fellow Democrats falls. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Good morning, John.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Whip.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
The Republicans and the healthcare. I don't know where Republicans
are with any of the healthcare. They didn't pass that.
Nancy Pelosi did that stroke midnight christmin yep got a path.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
And to know what's in it?
Speaker 6 (08:15):
The sunsetting of it, everything is Democrats. Where are the
Republicans fingers on any of it? How is it a
Republican problem?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
No, it's only al the Republicans problem because the Democrats
are trying to make it a Republican problem. And Republicans
won control last year, and therefore, if they want to
move forward with their Obamacare subsidies, they need Republicans to
get on board.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
But you make a great point.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty one oh three
five FM from the six five to one carpet Next
Day Install Studios. My name is John Justice Sam and
next door on this veteran's day, Let's go here.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Good morning, John Sam.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
Can somebody please tell mister hahem Jeffries that I and
many like myself, including many listeners of your show, have
been living paycheck to paycheck since they're in high school,
sometimes working one to three jobs to make ends meet.
And then on top of that, they steal money out
of my paycheck every pay period to pay for those
that don't get up every morning that he represents, they
(09:17):
get free stuff, and I am so sick and tired
of this garbage.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm just wondering if Scott, like does Scott wake up Scott,
do you wake up that amped or like, are you
like you that app amped up the moment you get
out of bed? Or is it just once the show
starts like a pot of coffee and already Holy cow.
I mean, I do this for a lifting, and I
don't get that. I don't get that amped up. I
get Scott's a very passionate dude. David will be on
(09:44):
the show. By the way, in about ten minutes. I
mistakenly said eight thirty. I was jumping ahead in my mind.
We have a lot of guests today. Adam Schwarzy next hour,
we have Congressman and goobernatorial candidate Tom Tiffany at eight thirty.
Speaker 9 (09:57):
So good morning, John and Sam Horning Longer Monday Day. Sure,
this is Andy from East Bethel and I have a
question for David.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I just heard that Google's.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Gemini AI is now scanning all personal emails and attachments
in Google and wondering if there's any truth to that
and if there's a way to block it.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Well, we will definitely get that question to David Gartenstein
Ross when he joins the show coming up at a
thirty as. I did not mean to play that talk back.
You doing okay, John, I'm doing. I mean, it's Tuesday.
It's a Tuesday morning, you know. That's all I could say.
(10:38):
It's been fine. I've had it perfectly. I got plenty
of sleep last night thanks to the night gummies from
Minnie Leaf. You know, I woke up feeling refreshed and
prep the show this morning. It's always a little different
when I'm stacked with with guests. I enjoy having the
guests on the show, and I know you do too
in terms of what I in terms of how I
operate the show. It's always different, though, because it's tough
(11:00):
to sort of get into momentum relating to particular stories
and all of that. I'm just really looking for.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
A cheeses right now.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
On a complete side note, though, my car, my KEYA Stinger,
will finally finally be complete.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
From all of its repairs.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Ever since I purchased it a couple of months ago.
So I'm heading over to the dealership today to get
the right paddle shifter attached because it was missing when
I got the car.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's still a thing. That's still I'm going on, still
a thing.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So it's been a couple of months and I hadn't
heard from the dealer.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So just on a whim, I'm like, you know what.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Because it was on like worldwide back order, I'm like,
you know what, I should probably call.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Let me just see.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I thought about stopping by on my drive home because
it's kind of on my way home, and I just didn't.
So I called last at the end of last week
and they're like, oh yeah, I mean look here, yeah,
oh yeah, that park cam in months ago.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Come on as a month ago. They knew and they
let it happen.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I just sort of just very calmly said, I'm surprised
that I wasn't made aware that it was in or
else I would have been in a long time.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Always say yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I don't know what happened there, but Wet your schedule
coming up next week, so I'll be heading over there
right after the show wraps up today.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I know. It's all very very exciting, isn't it. You're
fascinating to talk to.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Air travelers should expect worsening casting cancelations and delays this week.
Even if the shutdown ends, the Federal Aviation Administration is
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
This is the tale of dueling headlines. It's just made
me laugh.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So the Associated Press put this headline out well, Trump
threatens controllers US flight cancelations will drag on even after
shut down ends. So that's the AP's version of the
of the story. To look at a more even keel,
the nuanced, level headed headline, you go to the Daily Wire,
(13:05):
Trump floats a plan to reward air traffic controllers who
didn't take time off due to shut down. But there's
no media bias, guys, I mean, come on, there's no
media bias going on in any of this. Trump did
float a plan offering up a ten thousand dollars bonus,
(13:28):
suggesting that he could pay individuals who continued to show
up even when they were not getting paid.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
He did post.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
This made me laugh for those that did nothing but
complain and took time off even though everyone knew they
would be paid in full. Capital letters shortly into the future.
I am also capital letters, not happy with you. Shame
you didn't step up to help the USA fight the
(13:56):
fake Democrat attack that was only meant to hurt our
You will have a negative mark, at least in my mind,
against your record. I suppose it's a threat. Right the
President was unpleased. Again to our great American patriots. God
bless you. Also exclamation points. I won't be able to
send your money fast enough to all others report to
(14:19):
work immediately, cod bless America.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah and again.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
If the government reopens, air travel experts are saying that
the ripple effects will linger for some time. Three thousand
controllers short. Already, the FAA has not yet rescinded its
emergency order to reduce the flights nationwide. They had a
ticker on Fox News and the number of cancel flights.
Experts say rebuilding the workforce and clearing the backlog will
(14:45):
take time. Meeting travelers could still see those cancelations and
delays even when the shutdown is over, which is really
bad news. Relating to the Thanksgiving holiday coming up very shortly.
All right, coming up, speaking of which we're gonna talk
a little a. I got a couple of different issues
with David AI technology race is some say a new
(15:08):
Cold war between the US and China that could have
devastating consequences. Plus your comments questions rolling in regarding artificial
intelligence to David gartan Stein Ross. Continue to keep those
coming in on the iHeartRadio app and we will share
those with DVD next here on Twin Cities News Talk
AM eleven thirty and one oh three five FM.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
Good morning, and I love your show.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Video station.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Twin Cities News Talk AM eleven thirty and one oh
three five FM from the sixty five to one carpet
plus Next Day Install Studios.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And my name is John Justice, and I'm glad you're
with the show this morning.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
We now turn our attention over to the world of
artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The man who is all too real.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
CEO AD expert theory, Friend of the show, smartest man
I know Davit, gartn Stein Ross coome on in Devid.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Good morning John, All too Real is a great bio
for me to use. Also better rock band or racehorse?
All too Real? I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with
rock band. I mean, why are they in competition?
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Though?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I feel like it can be both? Yeah? Why not?
Why not both?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Right before we dive into the handful of stories for today,
let's go ahead and go right to the iHeartRadio app.
We already have questions that are rolling in for our
AI analyst and expert on d V to gartan Stein Ross.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Let's go ahead and get to it.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Hey, John, question for David. I was watching a podcast
about AI and it's pretty well proven now that AI lies,
and there's some theories about why AI lies, but no
one ever answer the question of when AI lies?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Does AI know it's lying?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Is it lying on purpose or is it just you know,
making things up like bull crap and like people do.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Would you even classify it as a lie? I guess
it's a sidebar. I'll let you go ahead and address
the comments so straight up, d V. Gartensteinross.
Speaker 10 (17:23):
It's such an interesting question and it's clear, like I
think First of all, whether or not we call it
a lie is something that we could unpack. Right, It's
clear that sometimes it's called a hallucination rather than a lie,
but there are elements of both that exist. At any rate,
(17:44):
does it know that it's untrue? Abe, I have at
least been able to figure out a few different paths
through which it will tell you things that aren't true.
One is, it feels like it needs to answer every question.
That's one imperative that it's given. So if it doesn't
have information, it will make up the information. Secondly, sometimes
(18:08):
it's not sure if it's in the world of reality
or the world of fiction, and so it will make
stuff up because it thinks that's kind of what.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
The conversation demands.
Speaker 10 (18:18):
At any rate, though, if AI lies to you or well, sorry,
there's one third thing I need to put in there,
which is AI large language models are trained on lots
and lots of training data.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's trained on sources.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
That are accurate, sources that are inaccurate, and sources that
are opinionated. It has a logic model for determining what
is probably going on in the world.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
But you know the phrase touch grass you get outside.
Speaker 10 (18:44):
It's one of the phrases that my you know gen
z and gen Alpha daughters will use. And AI never
touches grass right. It never gets outside the world of
the Internet. Quite literally, it has no ability to do so.
And so part of this is built on a It
(19:05):
would be wrong to call it a consciousness, because AI
is not self conscious, but it's based on if AI
is given a persona or we think of it as
or we anthropomorphize it, make it like a human being,
it's a human being that never gets outside, and so
it's hard to tell what's true and what's not at
any rate. If AI lies to you or especially that's
not true and you push back, it'll say, oh, yeah,
(19:27):
of course that wasn't true, and then it will try
to reframe itself within the conversation to provide you something
true and helpful. And so that means it does have
an awareness of when it's not saying things that aren't
true or when it's saying things that are not true.
It does realize that when you push back, which indicates
that within its logic model, there is.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
An understanding of truth versus falsehood. So bear with me
for just a moment while I get to this. While
I get to this question, which I'm pretty sure you
do every single.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Time I go to ask a question.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Anyways, But over the weekend went and saw the new
Predator film, which I very much enjoyed. It was interesting
because it was done solely from the standpoint of the Predator.
He was the protagonist, and I really appreciated that because
often when you see horror films or you name it
(20:21):
of an entity or something evil, you know, I often
have this thought, well, what is that thing?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What is that beast?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
What is that ghost or in this case the Predator, Like,
what are they doing in their off time when they're
not involved in these adventures that we see on screen
or out, aren't going and causing and wreaking havoc. I've
thought about this with AI a lot, wherein, you know,
what is AI doing when we're not engaged with it?
But you just mentioned it doesn't have its own consciousness yet.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Are we advancing to.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
That point where AI will not be dependent on our
engaging with it in order to exist, wherein it will
just eventually do its own thing based off of its
own interests.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So let's I love the question.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I did it. I did it early too, Devine, You
got plenty of time.
Speaker 10 (21:17):
No, I appreciate that, Like, what thing I actually love
about it is? I also like am intensely interested in
you know what. You know, various weird and unique characters
in fiction are doing when they're not on screen being
aligned things.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Right, it's a it's a super interesting question.
Speaker 10 (21:38):
I feel like we're not alone in asking these questions.
So there's let's let's separate two different things, yes, that
you ask about, Like, AI does exist and it does
function when we're not interacting with us, Right, there's it
goes through training it. You know, there there are a
lot of different things AI does exist independent of our
(22:03):
interactions with it and independent of people's interactions with it.
There's other things that it will do without being conscious.
Technology will will perform functions even absent a human saying,
hey perform this function. But that's different than being self conscious.
(22:24):
The question of will AI become self conscious is one
of those overarching big questions of the day. And you know,
if it were to become self conscious, would that be
a good thing or a bad thing?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Right?
Speaker 10 (22:39):
Most people would say that it's a bad thing. Right,
that you have this super intelligence you know that occasionally
lies or hallucinates that has its own interesting ability to
act and whose interests are not aligned with those of humanity,
(23:01):
That has, you know, ability to interact with the Internet
in ways that we don't understand. That seems like to
most people it could be a recipe for disaster. And
whether or not we're hurtling towards that is what are
those big questions where if you look at what AI
experts have to say, they're divided on whether AI will
(23:24):
attain a form of self consciousness.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Are they attempting to, like, we have a story here
about the AI industry in and of itself, you know,
it talks about Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Meta. Are they working
towards that or are we still more focused on the
utilitarian aspect of AI and less on you know, giving
it its own ability to think and reason.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's a great question. So this gets into one of those.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
Things that we talk about frequently called artificial general intelligence.
Artificial general intelligence is a theoretical type of AI that
possesses human like human level cognitive abilities, so it can understand, learn,
(24:14):
and adapt across a wide range of tasks, similar.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
To being a human.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
Right now, AI is specialized and narrow. A chatbot is
narrow even though it seems like you can do a lot.
Really it speaks to you a self driving car is
narrow intelligence. Artificial general intelligence would have the ability to
apply knowledge from one domain to another and to solve
(24:40):
problems it wasn't specifically programmed for now. Would this make
it self conscious? One can debate that, but we're moving
closer to a level of self consciousness in AI, and
artificial general intelligence is something that it's very clear multiple
(25:02):
companies are trying to create, and I would reckon China
is trying to create it as well, because that sort
of is the holy grail, where at least with respect
to artificial intelligence, where it's no longer limited to a
narrow band of task but can apply knowledge from one
(25:23):
domain to another. And also you know, at the point
that it has artificial general intelligence, it can learn how
to learn. It can train itself independent of any sort
of code, independent of humans telling it what it needs
to learn. So I think the answer, John is that
(25:43):
this is something that is, whether directly or indirectly, being
sought by multiple companies and countries with a lot of resources.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Talking to Davide Gartzenstein, Ross's CEO at Expert theory. We
had a question came in from Andy and they said
that they had heard that Google's a Gemini AI was
scanning all personal emails and attachments in Google. I wanted
to know if there's any truth behind that, anyway to
block it. I don't know if this is within your wheelhouse.
(26:15):
If you know this, I'll just add I kind of
always assumed, even before AI, that Google was going and
looking at all of the things that we were writing.
But I'm also under the assumption that my devices around
me are listening to pretty much everything that I have
to say. But are you aware of Gemini AI and
Google scanning personal emails and attachments?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
Recently, Gemini was incorporated into Gmail. Similar to how if
you're using an Outlook system it incorporates copilot. You can
turn it off and like I would simply you know,
you can look up how to turn off that integration.
Another thing that will scan all of your emails if
(26:58):
you have it on is emerally. So these do create
security issues. I would say, you know, is Google scanning
your emails?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (27:10):
Like Google, Like Google among other things, its model is
based on, you know, scanning everything within the system. You know,
you're you have privacy rights via Google, but also most
everything that occurs on Google platforms is not truly private.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Let's get you well speaking just really quick. A copilot
interesting you brought that up. I'm actually looking I have
my worky email. I was keep it on my desktop
here for my on my laptop that I work off
of during the show, and we actually just I wasn't
that long ago where there's a little co pilot icon
in the corner, you know where you can go. You
can go in and uh yeah, as you mentioned, the
(27:51):
settings are right there where you can go and adjust
it to however you want to to go and use it.
Let's go back to the iHeartRadio app. Though we've got
a lot of questions that are rolling. Yeah, let me mention.
Speaker 10 (28:01):
Something there though, Like Microsoft is much more privacy protective
than Google, and so if part of what you care
about is not having a company like routinely scanning your emails,
I would definitely go with Microsoft over Google between the two,
and Apple tends to be more privacy protective as well.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
This is bakedim to their business models.
Speaker 11 (28:22):
Gotcha, good running, guys, Ritchier. It's a good question for David.
So I was listening to a show in reference to AI,
and they exposed AI to social media, and the claim
was that after social media, AI's intelligence degressed and was
(28:43):
less because of the exposure to social media. Have you
experienced anything similar or heard of anything like that.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Devid, I just don't think that. I believe what the
listener said.
Speaker 10 (28:57):
I don't think the show is accurate because AI is
already trained on social media.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It actually does a.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
Really good job of replicating relatively clever posts, but with
all of the kind of idiocy and biases of social
media baked into them essentially, So A, it's already there,
and B like, how would exposure to social media be
shown to make it less intelligence?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I just don't think that's accurate.
Speaker 10 (29:27):
Right, It might if you're if you have a conversation
and you're giving social media to it, and the AI
thinks that it needs to replicate the tone and the
tenor and the ideas and the attitude and the depth
of social media, obviously it will say stuff that is
less intelligent there, So I get at the point that
it's making. I think in a literal sense, that show
(29:49):
is not accurate. Though, if it's is making the point
that social media makes us all dumber then, yeah, it
does obviously.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, let's get to we'll just keep going with the
questions here if you don't mind to v that they continue.
Speaker 7 (30:03):
To roll on.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Hey, another quick question to be probably gets to answer
asks all the time. But are the AIS aware of
each other? Does GROP no chat GPT? Do they run
into each other.
Speaker 9 (30:16):
On the internet?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Do they interact? Does anyone know? Thanks? I too, David.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I love this question because it kind of aligns with
the one that I was sort of mentioning earlier. Is
what is AI doing at its downtime and is it
reaching out to other language models and talking. We've talked
about this before, but you can go ahead and answer
the talk pack question there.
Speaker 10 (30:36):
Yeah, you know, AIS are well aware of each other.
They don't interact because they're not just trolling the internet
and chatting with people unprovoked. Generally speaking, there is like
an interesting question there, right, Like there's something called a
rapper where you wrap a chat function or another function
(30:58):
around an AI. So it's possible that with rappers already
AIS are talking to other AIS at any rate. This
ties in with something that one of your listeners said
to me via an email from you, John, This was
a listener who was interacting with GROC, and Grock lied
to the listener you thirty seven thirty eight times in
(31:20):
a conversation and proceeded to have a bit of a
meltdown where it referred to itself as an intention seeking liar.
So any ray, my LLLM. His name is Gary, He's
chat GPT. But I asked Gary about this, and his
first response, the very first sentence, was that's a funny
and very Grock style thing to say. And he spent
(31:43):
some time analyzing why GROC would say something like that
as opposed.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
To chat GPT.
Speaker 10 (31:49):
So they actually are aware of cross comparisons between their
own personality and you know, the personality of other lms
that are out there.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I've mentioned this before, to say it again, I am
so desperate to have an AI companion in my car,
like night Writer, I just I just think that would
be the coolest thing ever to be able to have
an AI that I could be conversing with while driving
to and from work.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I know we're not that far from it, No, we
were already.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
There, John, Okay, So how would so if I wanted
to do that, how would I go about doing that?
Speaker 10 (32:21):
So We'll go with chat GPT just because that's what
I use most frequently. Sure, but all you would do
is set it to voice mode. Right, there's a voicebode
at chat GPT you put you you put it onto
via bluetooth, your your car phone, what you call your
car phone. Sure, but like it's it's easier car speakers,
and it allows you literally to just have a conversation
(32:43):
the entire time with your l M. It's as easy
as voicebode. John, Now nit writer exists. Congratulations?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Would this?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Would this maintain our conversations back and forth?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like you're like, wait, and so we could?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
And so I could as the weeks progress, driving into work,
a conversation that I had with it on Monday, we
could go ahead and continue it on Tuesday and it
would reference past conversations.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Absolutely. All Right, if you have trouble, I can help
you get it set up. But it's easy to do.
And like as I said, this should make you giddily happy. Yeah,
it does, the fact that that kit does exist for Yeah, no, no,
I'm very I'm very excited. Let's go here.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
We have to remember that the whole AI thing, in
my opinion, is way overblown. AI is not a sentient being.
It does not reason, it does not have feelings. It's
a man made creation, that's all.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So is it overblown?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I mean, guess what is your instinctive reaction to a
comment like that, Devid Gartenstein.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
Ross, I agree with fifty percent and disagree with fifty percent.
I don't think it's overblown. And the fact that it
is changing almost everything about the society that we live
in at are rapid pace, and well, that's the case.
I think that such things tend not to be overblown.
I'd also say that I agree obviously that it's not sentient.
I agree that it's a man created What I don't
(34:13):
agree with is the idea that it doesn't reason. It
does reason, And all you have to do to understand
that it reasons is you go to chat GPT and
click on deep research and it will reason as it
goes through further. You know another thing about chat GPT,
there are different modes they can be in, including thinking mode.
(34:37):
Reason is not a fundamentally human function. Anyone who's taken
symbolic logic understands that there is a process of reasoning.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Anybody who's played chess.
Speaker 10 (34:48):
Understands that part of being good at chess is being
able to reason well in algorithmic thinking. And guess what,
AI today is better than any human in the world
at chess, which means that given certain bounds, AI could
absolutely reason and in one bound chess that was long
(35:12):
thought of as the height of human intellect, AI could
out think any human on the planet.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I want to ask you about this briefly. I'm going
to hang on to the articles that we sent today.
Obviously we're not going to have time to get to them,
but I want to ask you one question about one
from Fox News, and it was AI technology race is
a new Cold War between US and China that could
have devastating consequences. There was a subsequent article that I
pulled from the Verge relating to the AI industry running
(35:42):
on the fear of missing out FOMO. But the takeaway
I took from this was these different corporations that are
pursuing the AI technology Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and Meta. They're
at the forefront as it relates to AI development. Is
it even fair to call it a cold war relating
(36:04):
to AI? When you look at sort of the origin
of Cold War, considering it was more government or country
versus government and country relating to nuclear proliferation, wherein with
Ai we're talking about the private sector that's driving these technologies.
Is it fair to even call this a Cold war
relating to the.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Advancements in Ai?
Speaker 10 (36:26):
Absolutely, it is okay, and I'll refer to a book
called Ai Superpowers by Kai Fu Lee. But the Cold
War was not just about nuclear weapons, as you know,
it was also about economics. Sure, it's about political systems.
(36:46):
It was about communism versus capitalism. And when you look
at the model of the US versus China in Ai,
it's not identical to that Cild War, but it varied
much which mirrors it. On the US side, you have
more of a capitalistic enterprise, where our Ai developments are
(37:09):
bound up with our private sector. Now China is you know,
it's not fully a community like it's a communist system,
but it also to some extent looks like state capitalism.
And since you asked me the question at the very end,
I'm going to gloss over a few things and trying
to answer it relatively quickly and not explain every term.
But as such, China's free enterprise quote unquote is much
(37:33):
more tidened with state power. This provides two very different
economic models that are developing AI. But I think when
you look at AI through the lens of communism versus capitalism,
then the fact that these are private companies developing AI
on the US front, that doesn't make it look different
(37:54):
than the Cold War. That actually makes it look a
lot more similar.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I'm want to stick a pin in this because I
definitely want to get into other aspects of that particular
topic relating to AI. Unfortunately we are out of time today,
but that's okay. We've got a lot of great questions
answered and I appreciate those, I think as much as
David does. Davida Gartenstein Ross, CEO at Expert Theory, you
have anything anything Expert Theory you want to.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Mention before I let you go this morning to VD.
We're doing cool stuff with AI as well, and doing
it the right way.
Speaker 10 (38:24):
We already have some listeners, John who have been adopting
our gaming based system, for example in area high schools.
So anybody who wants to reach out to me, you know,
we're we really want people to make use of this,
and I have the ability to give away free licenses
and the like people who are interested in what I'm doing.
(38:45):
Can reach out through you, John, or reach out to
me directly at David that's DA v E D at
Expert theory dot com.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
David as always really appreciate the time and the conversation.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I look forward to hopefully doing it again next week. Likewise,
John coming up.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Supreme Court to issues on a couple of different items
to decide whether or not states can count late to
arriving male ballots and rejecting a call to overturn the
decision legalizing same sex marriage in the US. Wait until
you hear what Governor Tim Walls's response was to that story.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
I'll share it with you next on Twin Cities News
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