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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Pour two.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Twin Cities News Talk Am eleven thirty and one oh
three five FM.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
I failed to mention that last hour year.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Foes of the Show as we broadcast from the sixty
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Foes of the Show were brought to you by Dwight Dora.
You see, Dwight Dora has an election today. I'm working
off of an article from the Minnesota Reformer.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Of all places.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Voters will decide today who controls the Minnesota Senates. To
get a couple of different races, the most contested one
and we'll get to East Metro Wright County and the
other elections here in just a moment. But Senate District
forty seven you have Representative Amanda Hemingson Dieger running as
the DFL candidate. Includes Woodbury, part of Maplewood. This was

(00:58):
the seat formally held by the Minnesota Democrat Dfella Nicole Mitchell.
Now District forty seven leans blue, but it could be
competitive in a low turnout special election to replace the
disgrace to Democrat and Dwight Dora is the Republican candidate.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I say that he is.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
The Foes of the Show are brought to you by
him because typically he listens to the show writer around
this time and says he especially likes it when I
call out the foes of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
So I did that in honor of him.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
The Republican candidate Dwhight Dora is an Air Force veteran
teacher in the Junior ROTC program at Johnson High School
in Saint Paul. Retired colonel served in Afghanistan. We thank
him for his service. In twenty twenty two, Dora did
lose his bid for District forty seven Seat two.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Mitchell at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
So if Hemison Dieger wins the Senate election, Governor Tim
Walls will need to call another special election to replace
her in the House. So it goes like this, Voters
in the East Metro and Wright County will decide who
controls the Minnesota Senate. Today, you have two different seats
that are up for grabs. You have the GOP Senate
Bruce Anderson and Buffalo passing away in July. As I
just mentioned Nicole Mitchell's seat. Prior to the two vacancies

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earlier this year, Democrats controlled the Minnesota Senate thirty four
to thirty three. The party endorsed candidates in both the
Senate districts also won their August primaries. Now, Senate District
twenty nine, wherein you have Michael Holstrom, Junior running as
the Republican candidate, which includes Buffalo, Monticello, Delano, Annandale. The

(02:35):
seat was formerly held by Senator Bruce Anderson and as
a matter of fact, Michael Holstrom joins us on the
show this morning on this election day. Thank you so
much for calling in Michael in such short notice. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Good morning, thanks, Shawn.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I appreciate you taking the call. It is an exceptional
election day here in Minnesota, and we are all excited
to get out there and turn this state red. Like
you said, in Senate District forty seven, we have a
real chance to take back the Senate, which would be
just exceptional.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, what are you hearing?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know your seat, Michael in District twenty nine, you
know to safely red district.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I know you still have been busy.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
We shared some audio recently where you were giving your
opinion of which I agree with, of where the Democrat
Party currently is.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
We were talking about this earlier in the show.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I'm curious though, to get your on the ground perspective.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
You know, it's one thing.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
For individuals like myself to talk on the radio and
you know, use the anecdotes that I see in the
news that I covered to give my perception of the
Democrat Party as a whole. But what are voters saying
to you when you've been out speaking with individuals, whether
it's for your race or for this District forty seven race.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, we had close to one thousand doors in Wright
County in senat different twenty nine across the whole district
this last weekend, and I was shocked to see how
many people were not just aware, but we're paying attention
and excited for the race. It gives me a lot
of hope. I think we have a lot of opportunity
to move that momentum into twenty twenty six. People are

(04:06):
really excited to get rid of walls. That's the number
one comment I hear is you know, let's get rid
at a wall. And I have a lot of hope.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
How much is Trump and factoring into the conversation. I
bring that up because I'm going to cover an editorial
and it's an article, but it really is an editorial
out of the Star Tribune relating to Lisa Damuth jumping
into the race, and they are already trying to tie
her to Trump as best they can. She mentioned Trump
in her campaign launch piece, and I'll talk about this
in a moment, but I'm curious, you know, how much

(04:35):
is Trump factoring into the discussion with voters to whom
you've spoken with.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Not a lot, Honestly. Every now and then you hear
a negative comment, you hear a lot more positive comments.
People still have the Trump flags out, but people are
paying attention to state politics for the first time since
I've been paying attention here in Minnesota. So it's a
good sign.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Talking with Michael Junior again running Senate District twenty nine.
Now again it's a safely red district, but that doesn't
mean that people don't need to get out and vote.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
So I'm going to give you an opportunity to.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Do a last minute plug and encourage people to get
out to and vote.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Today.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well, today's the day, everyone scient District twenty nine sen
the District forty seven. If you live there, Wright County,
Meeker County, and Western Henithan County, we need your vote.
It is a safe red district. On a normal years,
but we have a special election and anything can happen,
So make sure you get out there. Call your friends,
call your neighbors. Do you have questions for us, Mike
Fremansenate dot com. I'm happy to answer them. Other than that,

(05:38):
we really appreciate your time this morning, and we really
look forward to serving this district.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
What are your voting plans today? I'm sorry to say,
what are your What are your voting plans? How are
you going to be spending your day?

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh? Well, I'm actually at the polls right now. I'm
about to go vote, and then we're going to be
knocking on doors this morning and then moving to phone
banking the rest of the day until seven thirty. So
if you are in Wright County, reach out to us.
We'd love to have your help.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Say hi to everybody as you go and vote.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
And thank you again for calling in this morning, Michael Holsterer,
I greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Thanks Sean.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
All right, let's get back to a few of your talk.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Backs from the iHeartRadio app brought to you by Lindal, Realty.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
One and John Listening to Democrats lecture Republicans about the
constitutions about as edifying is listening to atheist lecture Christians
about the Bible. They just don't understand what they're reading,
or if never read it or misusing it, have a
great day.

Speaker 6 (06:39):
A defining feature of today's Democratic Party is a belief
in the exact opposite of every bit of wisdom that
has ever come out of the Western world. Just go
ahead and look at the seven Deadly sins. The Democratic
Party celebrates every single one of them. They start with
parades for pride, and now they have Helena Montan, enough

(07:00):
candidates who are openly calling for Hey, go ahead and.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Have all the wrath you want.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, yeah, it really is. It's a scary situation. It's
a scary situation. And what concerns me more about today
is really tomorrow, and not from a policy standpoint, necessarily,
but more from a narrative commentary standpoint, because if Democrats

(07:29):
do get the victories that they expect today, we'll talk
about the mayoral race. The conventional wisdom is that Mayor
Jacob Fries should probably win re election, but you just
don't know when it comes to ranked choice voting. But
if Democrats end up having a lot of victories today,
the commentary tomorrow is going to continue to be what

(07:53):
it is we've been talking about this morning. The Democrats
will continue to double down on what they're doing. And
while I have an expectation, but if Trump does release
some of this emergency funding relating to SNAP and we
get past the election day today, Democrats may decide to
go and reopen the government. We played Ted Cruz yesterday
on the show. I've offered up similar commentary that Democrats

(08:16):
have been waiting since they were able to push the
shut down this long. They're waiting until after today before
they reopen the government. But if they feel like they're
making headway by fomenting the anger on the left, then maybe,
you know, those predictions the of their reopening the government.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Don't end up happening. I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
But I'm more concerned about the narrative and the Democrats
continuing to go down the path that we are on
because unfortunately, and I know it sounds over the top,
but more people are going to die.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
That is what is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I mean, we now live in this assassination culture, and
for the individual that can be brave on a voicemail
like that, Hell in the City Commission candidate. You know
there are other individuals out there who listen to the
words of Nancy Pelosi that would pay this morning, the
most vile creature on the planet is Donald Trump. I mean,

(09:18):
I won't bore you with the comments from Walls.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
But you know what he said.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
When you have individuals convinced that they're very livelihood democracy
and their lives are at stake, and you have individuals
out there not facing any sort of accountability for their
over the top rhetoric, then yeah, there will be people inspired,
just like we've already seen, to go and commit horrible,
heinous acts of violence. Coming up Rachelle Olson's back, Damuth

(09:49):
brings Trump into the governor's race, leaning into mega outrage.
So I suppose we know now who the Strip believes
as the front runner in the governor's race. We'll shure
some details on that. I'll also get you up to
speed with the latest regarding the Michigan terror suspects who
plotted to target bars nightclubs during Halloween celebrations.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
And then we'll talk with d V garten Stein Ross.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
We'll get into some artificial intelligence questions, a bit of
Q and A with DVD, including as we talk about
the school board races, AI allowing more time for students
being a positive in the classroom. It's all coming up
on Twin City's News Talk Am eleven thirty and one
to three five FM. Twin City's News Tom from the

(10:39):
six five to one Carpet Next Day Install Studios.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
My name is John Justice.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
David Gartzenstein Ross joining us in about ten minutes. Got
a number of issues we'll talk about with Dav'd almost
nine and ten say foreign governments will likely use AI
to attack the US. Speaking of attacks on the US,
we'll update you on the Michigan the Michigan terrorst suspects
plotting to target bars and nightclubs during their Halloween celebrations.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
But first, let's go here.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Rochelle Olson Minnesota Star Tribune has a new piece up
relating to Lisa Damouth's announcement to run for Governor Rochelle Rason.
While her capital colleagues generally avoid invoking the president's name,
the House Speaker's first move as a statewide candidate was
to angle for Trump's endorsement. Yes, the media marching orders

(11:35):
have been released to tie Damouth to Trump. We now
know who the Strip believes as the front runner for
the governor's race on the GOP side of things. At
a Capitol news conference and in an online video, writes
Rachelle Olson in the Star Tribune, Damis said she wants
to help Minnesotans afford their lives, although she was fuzzy

(11:55):
on details about how she would deliver. Funny, unless I
missed it, I don't recall this level of scrutiny over
Governor Tim Walls and his ad campaign launch just out
of curiosity.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I've been to every corner of Minnesota and there's nothing
like it.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Red and blue, and there's all that red across there.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Democrats go into.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Depression over it. It's mostly rocks and cows that are
in that red area. What was clear is that she
was on the move against Walls.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, yeah, it's the Democrat governor running for reelection, Okay.
She goes on to describe the details of the video
that Damoth released, then, writing Damus voiceover returns to saying
that Walls is more interested in attacking Trump than fixing Minnesota.
Those are the only two sides to Damoth's debut video,

(12:47):
Trump versus Walls.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's like a self fulfilling prophecy listen.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Damouth knows what Rasseelle Olson knows, and that Trump is
the only thing that Walls can use against his opponents.
He can't tout anything that he's done here beyond his
free meals for students. Right now, he's plagued with the
fraud that has happened underneath his watch, and so of

(13:16):
course he's gonna have to go and use Trump to
go after her, and damonth is being smart and being
upfront about that. Rachelle goes on to say it wasn't
wholly surprising, but a little disappointing.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Oh, Rachelle was disappointed.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Rachelle. Rachelle. As if Rochelle Olson was ever going to
go and vote for Damoth or any of the GOP candidates,
Damuth could have hewed. Her could have hewed closer to
her capital persona, which is an even keeled and deliberate
Midwestern warmth, not Maga ferocity and outrage. Maybe this is

(13:55):
merely foreshadowing of what's to come.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Oh, it's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
My favorite is when a leftist is saying how a
conservative should go and get elected. Her alignment with Trump
is an entirely new says Michelle She was on stage
briefly with him when he was in Saint Cloud for
a capital rally in July of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
She was there standing next to him. I saw it.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Guilt from a lack of social distancing. Damuth is going
to face many more questions about when and if is
she will side with Trump and the extent of her
agreement with his policy. She's need to provide to those
clear answers on Trump and much more, including her own positions.
For example, she described in her launch video as Minnesota

(14:49):
being overtaxed, then was unwilling or perhaps unprepared, to detail
what taxes her policy she wants to roll back.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Did the Walls campaign did they write this? By the way,
I've seen how we help each other through the hard times.
But I've not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times.
But it's in these moments we have to come together.
I called Donald Trump, I wanna be dictator.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
You bully the shot of him, and I'll never stop
fighting to protect us from the chaos, corruption.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
And cruelty coming out of Washington. Well, maybe it's time
for us to be a little meaner. You want to
talk about a lack of substance. I give you that ad.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Given the Damuth is clearly courting Trump, she should delineate
her agreements and divergence with the President, as well as
how she, as governor would accommodate him in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Welcome to the race.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
As she wraps up, Speaker, Damuth, you've major splash. Now,
let's get beyond Trump and Walls and hear about your plans. Now,
Damoth or whoever the nominee is for the governor's race,
all they need to do is rally the base, so
the base can rally the casuals to increase the voter turnout.

(16:02):
That's it. It's as equally hard as it is simple.
But that's all that needs to go and take place
because there is no debating with Walls, there is no
debating with Democrats right now. It's going to be all
about who shows up on election day to vote, all right.
Briefly ahead of my conversation with David Gartenstein, Ross Ai Ana,

(16:25):
let's answering your questions this morning.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
You can get those into the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
You know, yesterday we covered the Michigan terror suspects applauding
to target bars and nightclubs during Halloween celebrations. Newsweek other
outlets completely downplayed this threat, focusing on the lawyers defending
the suspects, saying that there was no truth behind it.
Now we find out in the seventy three page complaint

(16:51):
that you have Mouffmed Ali, Majid mah Mood, and a
juvenile suspect, along with five co conspirators. They've been charged
with seeking to carry out a terrorist attack for ISIS,
hoping to copy the twenty fifteen Paris terrorist attack that
killed more than one hundred and thirty people. They code
named the attack Day Pumpkin, led investigators to believe the

(17:13):
planned attack would be carried out out on Halloween, when
bars and nightclubs would be full of party yers. The suspects,
who were all under twenty one, allegedly sought guidance from
the father of a local Islamic extremist idea logue on
when to conduct their attack. Ali lives in Dearborn, Michigan.
The criminal complaint states that all Lead and Mahmoud met

(17:34):
multiple times at night in parks in Dearborn. Alid and
Mahmoud also shared ISIS related materials through encrypted messaging and
social media apps, they scoped out the sites of potential
targets for their attack. In September, they drove past numerous
bars and clubs in the region, also checking out a

(17:55):
place that was a known go to party spot for
gay people. The FBI also said the suspect practice shooting firearms,
including AR fifteen style rifles, at a gun range in
September and October. The federal authorities served search warrants at
all Leads and mop Moods homes in October October thirty first,
where they recovered three AR fifteen style rifles, two shotguns,
four handguns, and more than sixteen hundred rounds of ammunition

(18:18):
capable or excuse me, compatible with the three AR fifteen
style rifles, optical sites, two go pro cameras, a flash suppressor,
tactical vets, and other related firearms parts and accessories. And
this is being buried by the mainstream media for all
the reasons that you know. It's being buried by the
mainstream media and the articles when they were released yesterday,

(18:40):
of which there's been no follow up. Again, we're focused
on one lawyer working on behalf of one of the
suspects saying none of this is real. That was it,
and now you know the truth of what actually could
have happened if it hadn't been for the good work
by the FBI, Cash betel On those other working with

(19:01):
the FBI. Eighty seven percent of US adults said it
is somewhat or very likely that AI technology will be
used to target the country. According to a poll, exactly
how would that happen? We'll talk with our AI analyst
and expert, Divide Gartenstein Ross. So also I answer your
questions from the iHeartRadio app talkbacks next here on Twin

(19:21):
City's News Talk Am eleven thirty and one oh three
five FM. And now I started off the show today
talking about how with it being election day and also
the passing of former Vice President Dick Cheney, you can
expect that social media is just going to be a

(19:41):
cesspool of horrible commentary. I was first off correct on
that front. That was an easy prediction to make. But
apparently this is also spilling in to polling sites. There
was news that just broke that a handful of bomb
threats have been called into multiple polling the locations in
New Jersey with the governor's race there, and so many

(20:03):
of those polling locations had to close, forcing election day
voters out of at least to two of the several
locations where these were called in. So we'll continue to
update you here, especially on the top of the hour
news on Twin City's News Talk, and we'll talk further
about threats coming up in just a moment with our
guest AI analyst and expert CEO at the Expert Theory,

(20:25):
David at Gartenstein or Os.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Good morning, Devid, Good morning John, great to join you.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Let's start here for a couple of listeners that had
rowed in and those that are familiar with you from
the times that we have talked throughout the years, working
off of your expertise and counter terrorism, but now talking
with artificial intelligence. They were curious what your specific background
was in artificial intelligence and the change over, you know,

(20:50):
from when we used to talk about counter terrorism and
now we're focused on AI.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
That's an awesome question.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
So, uh, early on in my life, I was an
adopter of a couple of things I do now. I
you know, when I was very young, got into coding
and did a lot of that several computer languages ago.
But it gave me a relatively good understanding of the

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internal processes that computers use, even though the languages that
I code in are not current. The other thing is,
as a kid, I was really big into games, you know,
role playing games, Dudgeons and dragons and the like. I
didn't think either of these things would end up being
very relevant for me until, you know, probably about five
years ago. I'd been using AI for years. Artificial intelligence

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and a couple of my big lines of effort at
Valence Global, both in building games and also looking at
them to predict the path of terrorist attacks, and actually
built an early AI platform around twenty seventeen that could
predict terrorist attacks and also other threats.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
So it's a.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Skill set that I had used to use in service
of my substantive work in counter terrorism, and eventually my
interest in both artificial intelligence and also in games as
a method of better understanding the world eclipsed my interest
in some of the underlying substantive questions that I asked
as an analyst, you know, specifics of what's going on

(22:23):
inside terrorist groups and their relationships with one another.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
And the threats that they pose.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
So my current work very much was an outgrowth of
my last professional work. Interestingly, It's in line with kind
of what I encourage people to do in a world
of AI, which is to develop multiple interlocking sets of
skills and to be able to lean into other skills
as they become more relevant or more valuable. I think

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that's the path that I took, and especially given what
a weird and wonderful frontier AI is, I'm really glad
that my career developed way.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
We just shared the details a moment ago of the
Michigan terrorst suspects a plotting the target target bars and
nightclubs during Halloween celebrations. FBI made these arrests heading into
the weekend.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I'm just sitting on.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
This one for a while to v This was a
Gallup poll from a few weeks back. Eighty seven percent
of adults said it was somewhat are very likely that
AI technology will be used to target the country. Americans
have mixed views on what AI means for national security,
with forty one percent saying the technology will leave the
country worse than thirty seven percent believing it will be

(23:35):
better for national security. We have a couple of questions
along these lines, the sort of baseline AI questions, but
when it comes to you know, terrorism, foreign governments using
AI to attack the US, how would they go about?
How would AI be utilized for our adversaries to move
against us?

Speaker 4 (23:54):
One of the interesting and frightening questions is that I
would flip it and just say, how will it not
be utilized? A lot of my last job, as we
just put our finger on, was spent figuring out how
bad people will do bad things with new technologies that
people are optimistic about. And we've been able to clearly
see that with social media. Right, you and I have

(24:14):
been talking long enough that we remember this wave of
massive optimism people had about social media with the Arab
Spring revolutions of twenty eleven, and how this was supposed
to bring democracy to the Arab world and beyond, and
things did not quite work out that way, to put
it mildly, So let's just go over a few things
we talked about, the jihadist terrorist plot in Michigan, the

(24:36):
Halloween plot. AI can be used by foreign governments to
help to encourage people to carry out attacks. They can
create personas for handlers, or they can take create online
buzz or simply use AI to supercharge attempts to build
partisan splits or to target different figures. If you look

(24:58):
at some of the environ that we have in the country,
things that led to, for example, the assassination of Charlie
Kirk or Melissa Hortman. I don't want to over emphasize
what foreign governments have done, but they certainly have been
attempting to ratchet up the tension. AI can be used

(25:19):
in attacks on electrical facilities or water infrastructure. We already
know that PRC, the People's Republic of China, has been
able to breach a large number of critical utilities across
the country. AI can be used to supercharge those attacks.
AI can be used in hacking, to take out, for example,

(25:39):
military airplanes civilian aircraft, to attack battle carriers that the
US has. I'll just add one final thing because you
get the sense of why I flip the question around.
But if you look at broader US interests, one thing
that we're talking about a lot these days is China
invading Taiwan. If and when that happens, one of the

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very first things China will do upon successfully seizing Taiwan
is use AI to round up Taiwanese who've been involved
in resilience or resistance efforts getting ready for a PRC occupation.
They'll use AI to try to round up as many
people as possible who could pose a threat to their
conquest of Taiwan.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
These are just a.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Few of the ways foreign adversaries will use AI for
sure to attack us. Obviously, we'll use AI to defend ourselves.
But it's a ballgame that I don't think anybody has
fully mapped out or understood yet. Real again, real basic
question here. It comes from Morris m N Underscore Morris

(26:42):
Morris on X. Can you please ask David how the
heck Sora does what it does? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
How does Sora go and create those videos just off
of simple basic prompts?

Speaker 4 (26:54):
All right, this is going to be a little technical
because I want to actually honor his response. I'll try
not to make it boring, so as I think your
listeners know. Sora is a text to video generative AI model.
That is, you give it a prompt and it generates
a short video clip that will match the prompt. And
so what it does is people who are familiar with DOLLI.

(27:18):
Dolli is also part of chat GPT. It's you type
in what you want for an image and it will
generate a really good image for you. Everyone has seen
obviously AI cartoons or AI pictures. So what it does
is it starts with noise and it gradually produces an
image based on that noise. So what Sora does is

(27:40):
it uses the same model as Dolli Generative AI for image,
but it uses something called video diffusion. So this adds
a key dimension to the image, the image of time.
So it needs to keep frames consistent across motion, across
changing scenes, across changing objects, and it combines a fusion

(28:00):
model with a transformer model in order to create this
temporal dimension to it. That's as technical as I'm going
to get, but we could we could nerd out a.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Little bit more.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
But basically, it's the same model as DOLLI, but matched
into a third dimension, the dimension of time, which is
what allows it to function as video and not just
as still image.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
If I ask a an AI video generator to create
a version of John Justice as a Star Wars X
Wing pilot.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
I think we've talked about this before.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Is it akin to what Napster used to do with,
you know, searching for a particular song. Napster would reach
out to other computers that were attached to the platform
and basically piece it together to create the song. In total,
does AI do just the same thing. Is it reaching
out across what is available to it and grabbing the

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relevant information of what a next wing fighter pilot would
look like and what I look like and then create
the image or video based off that.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yes, with a one minor exception, which is that it's
already been trained on that, right, So sometimes it does,
you know, it does web searches for you, but it's
been trained on large amounts of information, so it already
has an understanding long before you type in the query
of who John Justice is, what an X wing Fighter

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pilot looks like, and the like, in order to put
them together based on what it knows about the world. Essentially,
as I think people understand, you know, large language models
like chat GPT have been trained on as much of
the human corpus of writing as possible. Essentially, they've a
large language model suctions in basically everything written that it

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can possibly find.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
We're gonna be talking a bit about the school board
races today. It's election day, of course across the country.
We'll get into that just after eight o'clock, and we're
going to talk briefly before the end of our conversation
this morning speaking with David Gartenstein Ross or AI expert
on AI.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
In the classroom.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Before we get to that, let's go to the iHeartRadio
app Talkbacks brought to you by Lindahl Realty for a
question for David.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
David, I use AI quite a lot, both personally and professionally,
and I'm still astounded at the very simple mistakes that
it makes. So, for example, it will tell me on
a personal note, hey today on Thursday when you do
your gym workout, and I'm like, it's Tuesday, why is that?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Why is that? David?

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Yeah, it makes a ton of mistakes, including it makes
mistakes most.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Frequently about what the date is, what day it is,
et cetera.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
It seems like most lms are just not trained on
understanding where they are in time.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
But leave that aside. Yeah, that's right. They make a
lot of errors.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
To step back, what I think is amazing about them
is just how much they get right right. Prior to
the massive leap forward in AI, we would not have
thought that a computer could talk as much like a
person or have or talk as quickly with answers that

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are as detailed and well structured as what it gives you,
but there's still a lot of errors. And this is
one of the reasons why to make most of AI
you really need to be active and not just blindly
defer to it, because there's a lot of things AI
doesn't do well. It makes a lot of mistakes and
the like. And I also want to offer my apologies

(31:50):
to M. N. Morris, who seems a little bit confused
by my answer. He had a great gift of saying huh,
but I'm happy to go in later. But bottom line
for you know, video generation is there's complex things going
on under the surface.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I was trying to.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Lift things up a little bit, and at least for him,
perhaps it didn't quite work.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Before we before we talk a bit about education, and again,
you know, this kind of goes back to the early
conversations that you and I had in your outlook of
AI and education, and we continue to see evidence of
your your thoughts and feeling towards it being reflected in
actual in actual classrooms. Just quickly, though, I have an

(32:30):
article here from the BBC and it says the number
one sign that you're watching AI video they post you
a couple of it. They comment on a couple of
things here. They talk about resolution, quality and length of video.
They get into a lot of specificity regarding the resolution
and quality pixel images. I want to add something to
this and then get your thoughts on and ask the

(32:51):
question of what you think the easiest way is to
spot an AI video and just say that AI still,
in my opinion, still has that uncanny valley aspect of
it where you can you can with fair with fairly
good accuracy, say that's an AI video and not just
based off the content in and of it in and

(33:12):
of itself, beyond the resolution, quality and length. But I'm
curious what do you think are the easiest ways to
spot an AI video?

Speaker 3 (33:21):
But even those that they're giving I think are not accurate. John, Like,
think back to.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
The video that you posted of Trump talking about how
terodactyls would be would be at the border, right, Like,
that image quality was very good, right it looked like
a press a Trump press conference. Like you can watch
right up until he started talking about how he's going
to use terodactyls for border control. Right up until that,
you can watch it and think that it was a

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real Trump press conference. Secondly, the length was it was
a long video. Yeah, it was not a short video.
So like I both agree with that analysis, but it
doesn't hold up in every situation. So look, what what
we are getting into is a world in which we
just can't believe our eyes and the tells are less

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than we would like.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Right. You and I have talked a lot about different aspects.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Of deep deep fakes and AI videos that are tells,
And one thing I've always emphasized, which is always borne out,
is that whatever we look at as to tell, it
goes away like quickly.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Right. If you look at what the tell was ten
years ago, it was that in AI videos people's eyes
don't blink. That is no longer the case, right.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
One AI tell about six months ago is that AI
does not form realistic hans. Now you can be the
judge of whether it's forming realistic hans now. I think
it's a little bit inconsistent, but it can form realistic
hans a decent percentage of the time depending on what
platform you're using. So that tell isn't fully there. So

(34:51):
this is where we get into one big, big idea.
We're moving into a future where not only is a
lot of the content we're going to look at online
AI generated, but also a lot of the code is
AI generated. Right, there will be AI agents who are
coding in platforms that we don't know what they're doing
or why, and this poses a massive risk. When you

(35:15):
look at your earlier question, our foreign adversaries or other
malign actors going to attack in the US are going
to try to attack, you know, our private data or
the like. So I mean, there's a solution to all
of this. But if you look at what you know
some of the ideas behind cryptocurrency blockchains, one of the

(35:36):
big ideas people need to get used to is attestation,
and what that means in the AI context is how
do we know that what we're looking at is authentic?

Speaker 3 (35:47):
What is its history, where does it come from.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
What is it doing? And those are not going to
be basic questions, and I believe that we need to
look to technology to start to rebuild and safeguard this
idea of trust, which could be utterly eroded by some
of those factors that we're talking about today.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
There's a lengthy piece and we'll wrap on this as
we turn our attention coming up in hour three of
the show to the school board races and the amount
of money that's being spent on these school board races
coming up. But there's a lengthy piece out of the
North Dakota monitor. AI allows more time for students, according
to North Dakota educators. The state has provided guidance as
well on artificial intelligence. One English teacher says the benefit

(36:30):
of using AI for class preparation is saving time so
he can instead focus on more critical tasks such as
student to engagement. And they cover the gament relating to
the concerns relating to AI. I just want to ask
you this simple question, David, what do you think the
biggest advancement in the classroom will be with the AI technology?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Great question.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
It continues your tradition of I know, I think with
a big question, but let me do.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
But I love it right.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
It always ends on me not getting a satisfactory answer
to your big question. So let me just kind of
footstomp what the North Dakota newspaper is saying. Sure, it's
absolutely correct that AI will free up time.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
For teachers because AI is like the ultimate research assistant.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
When we talked before, and I answer that listener's question
about how AI gets stuff wrong, my point is like yeah,
it does, and we need to be active users and
we need to not blindly defer to it.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
But it's amazing how much it gets right. AI to
me is like.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
A really good research assistant that doesn't sleep, and it
allows you to do those things that are easy for
someone else to do, and do them well and do
them cheaply. And when you think about the large range
of medial tasks that teachers have to do to prepare,

(37:56):
having AI really fills freeze up a good deal of
time for more important tasks that really only.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
The teacher can do or that the teacher will be
best at doing.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
So.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
An increase in the amount of time in the teaching
context I think is.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
A wonderful, wonderful thing.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
See, I only do that DVD because I know you
can handle it. At least that's going to be my excuse.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Oh John, I fully agree I can handle it, and
I like to use you anyway.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I know you're used to it.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Pine Now after all these years to Vid Gartenstein Ross,
CEO at Expert Theory, as always, thank you so much
for the time this morning.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
My friend was great speaking with you, absolutely a pleasure. John.
Coming up, we have.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
School board races we have highly contested school board races
in Prior Lake. We have a Noka Hannepin school district
Areas three, four six as well. We'll also be talking
with a candidate running for school board an isd AS
six twenty two coming up next and Justin Middell will
be joining us and we'll get into you all the

(39:01):
money that's been rolling in to these school board races
and why so much money has been rolling into these
school board races races on election day. It's coming up
next on Twin Cities News Talk at AM eleven thirty
and one h three five FM