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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jess Your has the NFL coaching trade deadline already pasted.
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the show, and we are delighted you are along for
the full three and a half hour ride today. Are
we out a little early? Three to fifteen? Three? Six
fifteen meets well three hours, fifteen minutes, three hours and
fifty minutes sixt me. So we're out at six fifteen today.
You're out earlier than that. You got goal and go
for women's basketball duties. We have a legitimate opponent tonight,
don't we, marktt Yeah, Rick macjeris Al McGuire.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
They they they're off to a nice little plucky start themselves,
if I'm not mistaken. So maybe we learn a little
bit more about the Golden Golfer Women's Club available to
you via the iHeartRadio app. Do we have a dedicated
Golden Go for women's basketball channel? We sure do, Okay,
the plus ninety six exactly it so be easy. What
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times kickoff tonight seven o'clock, seven pregame tonight, So Blake
Moore will be in eventually as well, probably after four
o'clock to fill in for you as you prepare for
your other duties. We have a very full broadcast today
from a guest lineup standpoint, including Louis at five point thirty,
Mitch Lawrence at four thirty, first time we've caught up
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with him in a while, and Kevin Seaffert is scheduled
for three point thirty this evening. In the history of
the National Football League, have have we ever seen a
coaching trade head coaching trade between teams, either in the
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off season or really juicy during a season where it's
coach for co coach for coach. Has it ever happened
where it's coach for coach, Because I'm wondering if in
the old days, like the Decatur Staley's days, the early years,
the Salad days, the National Football League, whether when it
was a little more loosey goosey whether it might have happened.
(02:33):
I don't think it's happened anytime in my lifetime. I
don't recall it. We have had trades to acquire the
services of a coach, yes, where the other teams had
to give up draft picks right, Yes, a lot of them.
Have we ever had coach for coach head coach for
head coach trade in the National Football League? And if not,
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why not? Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing. Can you
imagine the attention a coach for coach in season trade
would garner in this twenty four to seven. It'd be fascinating.
It would be endless because the coaches go to us.
(03:14):
Good question, does everybody go, yeah, that's it. That's where
it gets probably even more complicated that It's probably why
they haven't done it. But I think it would be interesting.
It sounds like you've got an idea. I do. I
have an idea. I don't think it's likely to happen.
I'm not even here to say I'm endorsing it. But
can you make the argument, if that such a trade existed,
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if such a possibility existed, that the Green Bay Packers
and the Minnesota Vikings should embark on a head coach
for head coach deal in which our guy Koc goes
to the Packers. I don't like it. Matt Lafleur comes here.
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It's an uncanny series of conversations I heard this morning
largely involving your guy, Dan Orlovsky. And you know what
Orlovsky's number one complaint regarding the Green Bay Packers offense
and their head coach what's his name, Lafleur, Matt Lafleur,
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what it was today.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm assuming that it's you don't let your quarterback throw enough.
He always runs the ball on second and ten. He
never stops running the ball on second and ten, And
I'm going, you can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
The issue here is we even had I think Sue
I had a column that our guy Koc has to
run the ball. That was the headline, run the ball,
the old you know, run period, the period ball period.
So the complaint, as we laid out yesterday, was we
don't run enough on second and five, or second and ten,
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or on third and one, and in Green Bay, or
at least according to Arlawski, it's their guy is just
too stubborn about sticking to the running game. So maybe
we solve the issues because we know what Koc prefers
to do. He wants to sing it, he wants to
fling it, he wants to throw it over and over again,
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no matter the circumstance, And stop with the nonsense that,
but we can't really run it when it's a false
start and it's first and fifteen. That's false. It's convenient,
but it's false. It's provably false. By the way, if
you have a running game that's working, but beyond that,
what do we need If that's true that we need
to run it more. Laflor loves running it. Matt Laflour
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might love calling more running plays for us. So is
it possible these two coaches are in the wrong place
at the wrong time, where in both cases there are issues.
Right the Packers have a great defense and they again
had great difficulty at home scoring. Their coach is under
siege for that. Our coach is under siege right now.
(06:04):
Maybe not at the same level, but pretty serious. Regarding
this bizarre reluctance to run the ball. I just find
it so fascinating that within the same division you have
both of these controversies going on at the same time.
With very different conclusions. In one case, we're running too much,
in the other case, we're passing too much.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And you know how you have to have in the NBA,
when you make a trade, the salaries have to match up,
or at least they have had to historically. Yes, if
you're comparing BMIs, I feel like it's an even trade.
They're both good in the BMI, right, so you're swapping out, Yes,
one good BMI for another BMI. You're not losing anything,
so everybody should feel fine about that aspect, but neither.
(06:44):
You don't think either team should demand a little more
to make up now the BMI. I guess loss makes
it now pretty equal. Koc's probably taller. I was going
to say, you could probably just leave all the coaching
clothes in the closet.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You Sep is much more likely to wear a ball
cap in Lafleur, right, I don't know. Does Lafleur ever
wear one? I don't think he wears one of the sidelines,
does he? No? Not? Usually not? Usually Our guy always
wears a ball cap the talking where some people they
don't even like looking at him, don't have the ball
cap on.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
He shows up like at Wolves game yeah, it is jarring.
He has mentioned Lafleur's hair though from time to time,
and that he wouldn't wear a hat if he had
Lafleur's hair.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's a it's a fascinating deal, and you could make
the argument that the moral of this story is that
critics on both sides are overreacting and this sort of
I guess, crystallizes life of a National Football League head coach,
where you're constantly under the microscope. For example, Eagle, who's
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the Eagles head coach, Sirian thinking of being under siege,
he's under siege after winning the game. Well, he's constantly
under siege. You know, he just won a Super Bowl,
but he's under siege because he had the audacity, the temerity.
The goal to go for it on was a fourth
and five and he throws a deep pass that by
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definition opens the door to the Green Bay Packers moving.
All they had to move really was I think twenty
five yards to get a game tying field goal, end
of the game, Street point game. So it's a it's
a league where again, all these coaches are paid handsomely,
(08:30):
So I'm not suggesting that you should feel sorry for them,
but that's all the talk from, at least from Olawsky. Now,
I don't know in Green Bay, whether you know, the
head coach is getting questions after the game like are
you coaching? You feel like you're coaching for your job,
which is pretty frontal, pretty aggressive, and he basically said
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he always feels like that's what he's doing. So here's
what's weird to me about it, though, Aren't they still
in first?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Are they? They actually have one less victory because of
the time, correct, So they went from first place to
what's tied for second or third. I don't know where
they are, but they're not out of this thing yet.
It's a weird loss, I guess I'm just trying to understand.
Is it because allegedly they've had their quarterback in place
and they should be as a result, they have to
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be going for it right now, where our head coach
has a continuous honeymoon period because interestingly, he and the
front office chose to accept of four options probably for
twenty twenty five, the least desirable option going with JJ McCarthy.
(09:47):
Now that's convenient. I guess I'm kind of scratching my
head about that, especially as we see Sam Darnold continue
to fling the ball around like he might be all
Pro this season. Don't text me. I know the postseason.
He didn't play very well in the postseason. We saw it,
we talked about it. We are indeed aware of it.
Let me know if you like that trade. What do
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you think of that deal? Or would you want something else?
Thrown in from the Green Bay.
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Speaker 1 (10:45):
A Dean from Hermantown Rights Dan, I don't want any trade?
Are we just bored? I think both coaches are pretty good.
But Lafleur is kind of an ass bag. What does
that mean? Why is he an ass bag? What does
he coaches? The Packers? Probably he has a crankier looking
demeanor on the sidelines. I'll give you that, but I
(11:06):
don't know that that necessarily I don't know that he
should necessarily be judged on that. Uh, that trade only
needs several other pieces, added Brian Guttikins in the Player
Evaluation staff. Maybe we could get some value out of
the draft and build long term success from within. Wow,
Savage in Monticello sounds like guards. He has a cold.
(11:30):
Bring in Blake more early, so Justin could take a
nap before calling an entire I know, basketball game. We'll
see how it goes tonight. If you are swapping coaches
with the Packers, why not make it a package deal
and swap quarterbacks too, Lafleur and Jay Love for Koc
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and Jmack. Interesting, that's controversial. Well, according to Orlovsky, Jay
Love's not the problem. The head coach is a problem.
He's being too careful with him. He's too worried about turnovers. Well,
some of those turnovers hurt him last year, I think.
So he's basically saying let it loose, just Jordan Love
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just fling the ball around. Just let it go, which
might be true, but also might just be convenient, because
there's a downside to letting any quarterback, including him, just
letting the ball go. Dan, did you see Darnold in
the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Seriously, at least he got us to the playoffs. I
like the idea of the deal. I would ask that
to bring it up with Gerby, you know close circuit
to six one two. Guy, I'm not going to read
your text. Do you have any understanding how this program works?
Do you really think I'm suggesting this tradeing? Literally? Do
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you not understan? And it's merely a device to discuss
just how fascinating we get, how this how crazed we
get that in one NFC North market it's run the
ball and in another NFC market it's start passing the ball.
That's the point of this discussion, that these two issues
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should be rearing their heads at the very same time,
within the same division. It is fascinating to me. It
may be true in the in the case of the Vikings,
I think it is true. I haven't watched enough Packer
football to know that the problem there is is they're
trying to run the ball too much. But I will
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say this, and I don't know Seafert can confirm this
or not. Is is what whose tree is Lafleur for? From? What?
What coaching tree is Matt Lafleur? Do we know? Do
we remember? We think shannyhn Shanahan, Oh, that's a Shanahan deal.
We think that makes sense. Washington together Shanahan is he's
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he's he believes in the running game, right, he certainly
thinks that's an apprecipt. What about the Rams head coach?
What tree is he from? McVeigh Yeah, same, okay, samean
My gut tells me that that over a period of years,
both of those coaches have remained far more committed to
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the run bit that our guy ever has ever has,
even though he also comes from the same tree. And I,
for the life of me, still don't understand why that
is why it's that difficult, especially now, especially you could
even argue two years ago when we had to use
like nine different quarterbacks, right, Yeah, I don't. I just
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for the life of me, do not understand it. It
just doesn't make any sense to me. A couple other
good texts on this, with some other idea ideas. There's
a lot of Gervishmidt cheap shots. Not surprisingly, Yeah, that
makes sense. We'll ask him who has the better BMI.
(15:08):
My interest in this trade is completely dependent on that,
if you had to make it a decision, because I
think they are close. Yeah, but Tom in Crystal wants
to know who's got They may both have great BMIs,
but that's not the question. Who has the better BMI,
I think more might Yeah, I think Lafleur. Does you
think our guy's thickening a little bit? No, I think
laflor is a little. I think.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
For laugh back here, I think Lafleur's a little I
think he hits the weights a little harder than our guy.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Oh interesting, I think our.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Guy may have been influenced by TB twelve. I think
he does more stretching, you might be and like more peloton.
I think Lafleur can throw some weight around.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
If we had, if we had the intrepid beat reporting
in this town that we deserve, we know the answer
to this question already. That would have been. That would
have been that we would have the analytics, we would
have the raw numbers. I'm the b M. I of
our at least our head coach, and in Green Bay,
same thing. We would have a little bit more detail
on this. Fortunately we don't.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Why haven't we done a coach's combine at one of
the fifty off season meetings in like Palm Springs in
Florida and Arizona when they're.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
At the Phoenician.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Why don't we just set up a couple of combine events?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And I got no problem with that. Andy Reid would
do it. Whose hair do you like better? The floor,
la floors or well can we never see? Ko KOs
is a hat guy, which I like better. As you
know I'm a hat guy. You're definitely a haad guy.
So I like Koc's overall vibe. I think better.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
The floor is too heavy with like the vests too.
You know he were's too many layers. I don't trust
guys that layers. You don't like the layers. It's a
good look. You usually goes the sleeveless. Yeah, exactly, Yeah
you got family this. Yeah, well he definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I think he's got more of the old style pat
Riley goop in his hair, yes, than Koc ever has
crush you. Yes, I think there's a lot of season
match more of a matt finished guy. I think, uh
solid Blaine. Wow. You know you don't always have to
draft your franchise quarterback. You are allowed to trade or
luck into signing him. Excuse me, just ask the Lions, Buccaneers, Seahawks, Colts,
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Rams how it's working for them. There's a painful offense
to watch at times. I wanted Rogers for one year,
to give the kid one more year to learn while healthy.
But I was on board with committing to Darnold going
forward and admit I had little interest in Jones being
an option. We're haunted by the Herschel Walker trade. This
past offseason may haunt us more. I think this coach
may not be able to have the patience to coach
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a young QB and requires a vet QB to run
his offense. We are wasting Jjay's as in Justin Jefferson's
prime years. I don't think it will happen, but I
hope it's not Diggs. Part two that would be ironic
being is that did Digs trade brought us JJ in
the first place. That's true, it did you know he's
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onto something. Part of your problem and many fidens fans
the problem is that obsession with we got to draft
our guy, our franchise guy. We got to I'm sick
of this. We always do it the other way, and
I'm tired of it. I want us to draft our
franchise guy, but you gotta be you gotta draft the
right guy. You do. Wait till I unleash some analytics
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on Seafert. Once correctable, it's one of the most amazing
I think it would be called a line graph that
I've ever seen relating to quarterback production so far this
season across the National I have a feeling I know
which way it's going. Have you seen this particularly one
I have brought to my attention? I thought it might
have been brought to your attention to I think the
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Eagles thought that the fourth down pass it worst, would
have been picked off, almost like a punt. Then yeah,
but if if it's incomplete, it goes back to the
line of scrimmage. Is the problem. You don't make a
you don't do a play hoping for an interception. Yeah,
I don't think so. Not a smart idea, No, because
you're right, an interception would sir. If it's picked off
at the two, then you win in that, you know,
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But how do how do you possibly You can't possibly
assume that that's the way that play is going to
be going to end, all right, Seaffert, As I mentioned,
is it will be in shortly. Mitch Lawrence on a
bunch of stuff. The Dallas Mavericks fired their general manager,
and we did not because we were so busy largely
with Viking stuff. Owed one of the great National Basketball
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Association names of all time. The kids don't know the name.
They should. Lenny Wilkins has passed away, I think at
the age of eighty eight. Hell of a run, historic
career as a player and a coach. I covered him
in some playoff rounds. Mitch covered him a lot. So
Mitch Lawrence will be with us at four point thirty
to discuss that story kind of owed to a dead guy,
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and some more current stuff as well, regarding several teams
in the National Basketball Association and including the Dallas Mavericks
getting rid of the guy who traded Luca away. Luigi
on your suddenly red hot with too many goaltenders. We've
gone from not sure we have one goaltender too, we
now have too many goaltenders and are we going to
(20:16):
be able to keep them both happy? It turns around
really quick in the National Hockey League. Louis on all
that and more at five point thirty. Kevin Siefferd is
in the house a text us at the branch on
Brian Cafe in text line six four six eighty six.
I know your research is limited in this particular area,
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but if you had to, and I don't know how
you make this call without the numbers. But if you
had to just do eye test better BMI in your opinion,
the floor or KOC.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
We're getting that hitting right away. Yeah, well because none
of the other states. So am I like the body
mass in Yeah, the lower you are the better allegedly. Yeah,
I think that's the way you want evaluated. I mean,
I think I mean from like, I don't like. Oh
kind of looks pretty like if you look at pictures
of him when he played compared to now, like, he
he lost a lot. He's one of those guys that
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lost a lot of weight after that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
He's old doweye.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
When he played, he was he was built to take
quarterback right uh, and he's he's he's pretty thin now.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Okay, So I don't know that that He's not gonna
be mad at you if you pick youth, not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, won't go that far. That's that's who I go with,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
All right, Again, we will take some questions and some
of them will be even more hard hitting than that.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
So the first Packer game is at Lambeau Sunday, November
twenty third. We'll have to monitor the coach's handshake and
get an up to date picture of the two of them.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Who would win, who would win.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
In an arm wrestling or hand grip or what competition
between It doesn't Marty Wexer the third have like a
handgrip tow grip that I.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Think he had a hand one too, though, But to
grip he did it because he had advancement.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I think he's got leverage. I mean he probably.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I'm sure his arms are longer. Isn't that like a
big taller much or is he much taller?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah? Yeah, Connor is like he's like six six. He's
not that tall. I think he is. He's pretty tall.
Is listed?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
They do that with coaches too, where he was when
he was at San Diego State, almost positive, that's what
they listened. I'd say he's probably legit six five and
on the floor five five six, and he's not that
not that true. He's in the he's in the average
five nine inch type ten.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
He's interesting that right now there are two coaches under siege.
It may be worse in Green Bay than it is here,
But as I laid out, is O'Connell under siege? Well,
I think he's under siege for one thing in particular, Okay,
I don't think he's under siege like his jobs in Jeffardy, right.
I think he's under siege rightly in my opinion. And
(22:56):
this is not you've heard. You may say this a
million times for a curious belief that if it's second
and ten, you can't run on second and ten, you
can barely run on third and three. And what's I
said was ironic? Is that your guy for me, espn
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Orlovsky was just blistering, uh, the Green Bay Packers head coach.
And what was or the Orlosky complaint? All he wants
to do is run the ball in second and ten.
He needs to throw, throw, throw an unleash, which I
think to me, the moral of the story is we
always have the answers. Yeah, And it's just fascinating how
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different it can be where here right now, it's they
gotta he's got to stop falling in love with always
throwing the ball. And there it's he's got to stop
running the ball, has stopped being obsessed with the run. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
For me, it's always if it didn't work, they should
have done the other thing. That's that's usually the uh yes,
the answer for us and the out side you know
the differences between the Packers and the Vikings there is
that you have, you've developed your quarterback in Green Bay,
you're paying him two hundred and twenty million, like he's said, right, yes, yeah,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I mean when when if you're.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Not and you're scoring seven points, if you're not willing
to air it out on second and ten or whatever, like,
that isn't your you know, you're I was. They did
go out and get Jacobs last year and they're paying
him a lot of money too. But like you know,
they they're supposedly have an established, developed quarterback, but in
the turnaround here would be like you don't, and so
like maybe the run makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
That's fair. Although if you recall we've talked about this
before a bunch on this show. If you go back
to Aaron Rodgers, some of Aaron Rodgers' best years in
Green Bay, running the ball was always a part of
what who is the guy who's the coach?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Before la Floor Mike McCarthy. McCarthy, he was devoted to
that as well. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And why has koc skipped over this even though everybody
else in the same tree has remained committed to it
as much as they want to be able to fling it.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
So it's interesting, you know, he has, I would say,
in the last last season and and part of the
season sort of incrementally if you look at the numbers,
incrementally called more design runs, or at least they've they've
run more design runs, but it's incremental, And I just think, like,
that's who he is. Like that's if you get to
the core of I agree of what his philosophy is
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for winning games. That is that you need to have,
at the very least, you need to have a certain
number of explosive plays because if you're just trying to
drive it, you know, seventy yards and fourteen plays every time,
you're only going to get so many bites of the apple.
Like that's just you just how many of those drives
can you have in the course of the game. You
need chunk plays to make scoring easier or to score
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and it's itself on those plays. And I think that's
just who he is. I think it, and I'm writing
about this for later this week.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Even though I think they've probably pulled back on some
of the things that they do, you know, with respect
to to the quarterback and his experience level, they're still
airing it out, you know, they're still I think they're
top you know, within the games McCarthy has played. I
think there's still in the top ten of the NFL
in design passes, you know, and he is an Alec
(26:19):
Lewis point of this out and I checked it out
in our in our True Media ESPN.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Database as well. Uh JJ.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
McCarthy leads the NFL in air yards per attempt, and
air yards are like actually the actual amount of yards
it goes past the line of scrimmage before it gets
the receiver. So these are still downfield, you know, chunk
attempts at chunk plays and some of it's his decision making,
but but those are the plays that are the way
he's interpreting the plays and reading the plays. So I
just think that that's you know, that's who well, but
(26:47):
here's who he is, Okay. But that's not an excuse
to me.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Because so if you're asking why it's happened, Yeah, that's
why it's happened, okay, And I don't disagree with that,
but we can always use that for any coach that
tries to overcompensate or does not give, at least in
theory his team the best chance to succeed is that, well,
that's just that's what he's made of. I would consider
that a flaw. I would consider that. And because you
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and I have talked, you've quoted this stuff going back
two years the year we had Pastronaut, the fact that
he was so I guess enthusiastic about that approach that
he continued to throw the ball down field then more
than any team in the league. That's illogical. It might
be a little more logical with this guy, because even
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though he's young, he's not considered a journeyman like Pastronaut was.
But I think to me it goes back to the
old thing of how you give any quarterback, especially one
just starting trying to get started, the best chance to succeed.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And I think what he's trying to do is put
him in some tough and difficult and potentially uncomfortable positions
and that that's in his mind. He said this explicitly Sundays,
that's where the growth is and so so.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Then he's then he doesn't care about this season. He
can't see That's where I think he needs to be
challenged more. And they can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, and the other part of the quote was that
and we're trying to balance that with a chance to win.
And but to me that that just speaks to the large,
larger thing of what they've been talking about since the
beginning of the season, right, you know, threading this needle
of trying to compete, spending three hundred and almost three
hundred fifty million dollars in the roster with a with
a quarterback who hadn't played before. Like, that's the that's
the nature of the of the needle that they're threading that.
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You know, they're not in a in a place where
they can you know, take a take a tank year
or whatever you want, not tank, but like a year
where it doesn't matter if they win or lose because
of the way the roster is constructed and frankly, where
they are in their process of the you know, since
they got here him in quasy.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Don't they call that hubrish? Yeah? I mean to me,
that's the error because I don't believe. I think in
their mind they convinced themselves we're loaded enough and I'm
smart enough. Yeah, we're gonna be able to pull this
off right away. Maybe yeah, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I don't think that they went in like creating like
a fantasy, I mean, following a fantasy that they didn't
think would ever work. I think that they they felt
like they could pull it off. But whether it was
they thought there was a thirty percent chance they could
pull it off for a ninety percent chance like that
would be the difference there.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Texter, this is six y five one guys. The air
yard aunt take into account when JJ throws to an
open defensive back. They turned on the already they have.
Have you seen the chart, the quarterback efficiency chart I'm
talking about. It's got a lot of pretty colors. No
you've seen this, maybe, but go ahead this one. This
hot reads win probability zero one regular weeks, one to
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ten playoffs, non minimum one hundred plays downs one to
four quarters all. I don't even know what that means.
And pretty much every quarterback who's played this year is
on this. I don't know if you call this a
line graph, I don't know the technical name for it.
And a again, let me get it out of the way.
I'm not giving up on the QB. I'm not suggesting
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they cut him. We know all that, but he's playing
and you still get to evaluate what you see. And
according to this quarterback efficiency chart, is he on it? Well,
he's he's lower left, the lower left, he's he's below,
He's several points below Ward and he's listed under the
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the minus point two zero. Every other quarterback, Dylan Gabriel
is well ahead of him, Jake Browning is well ahead
of him, justin Fields, Gino Smith, The list goes on
and on. He's at he's below. Everybody else is inefficiency.
It says quarterback efficiency. But then that's an awfully broad subject,
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so I don't know what that.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Happens analytic term, and it can be defined the last
ways we have. We use QBR and that's why he's
not even on the chart QB.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Actually I looked up this up.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So there's been I think it's forty six quarterbacks who
have started at least one game. His QBR is forty fourth,
and in this case, cam Ward's a little bit below him.
Cam Warden in Tennessee the first overall pick this year.
Everybody a team that's supposed to be terrible. Yeah, everybody
else is ahead of him, And so you know, you
don't make future projections based on what the four games
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look like, but the four games have been rough.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
All part of value, part of the evaluation.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
There's been some there's been a you know, I look
at it like, there's been enough examples that if you're
an optimist, you pull out those whows and you say, well,
this is this is the first drive.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I can say it's there, like, I see it.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I can see all the things that he needs to
be a really good quarterback. But there's the consistency level
just isn't there yet. And I think you look at
him and you say, this is a guy who hasn't
played enough to create almost like to create the muscle memory. Yeah,
to throw the ball with the same fundamentals and footwork
every time, and when over the course of the game
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gets amped up and he loses a lot of those
those that footwork and fundamentals and the ball sprays all
over the place, what's the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You got to play. You got to create.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That muscle memory by continuing to get rep after rep
after rep. And it's possible, and then you have to
hope that by doing that it brings you know, it
takes the far end of the good plays on the
far end of the bad plays and starts moving everything together,
and you create a consistent player a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I mean, the text are pouring in here on the No,
it's not all bad. JJ is having a hard time
for the same reason Darnold eventually had a hard time.
KOs refuses to accept short completions as good plays. Stafford
is a much more accomplished quarterback, and McVeigh runs lots
of plays to get the ball out quick. And look,
I've seen plays where Stafford's going deep too, But there
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are a lot of short completions, and there's power to
short completions too, And that I think is another factor
that I think sometimes just this this, this head coach
just is not all that interested in I don't, you know,
I don't know why somebody is saying they believe they're concerned.
Are you concerned, Seyffert, that j Mac and Justin Jefferson's
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Jefferson seemed to have negative chemistry at this point.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
They don't have negative chemistry, but they aren't on this,
you know, entirely on the same page either.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And it's interesting that it looks like he's it, you know,
he looks like he has more chemistry with Nailor and Addison.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah. Two guys.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
He spent all of training him throwing too, while Justin
was injured with the hamstring. Justin is also a unique
player in turn and he Justin talked a lot about
this this summer.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
A unique route runner.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, he has the stride that that allows him
to make turns that most people don't make and to
get the spots that most people don't get to. And
it takes some time to get used to throwing to him.
And you know, you throw twelve times in his way
in and there's four connections, and then you say, like,
it's hard to conclude anything other than the fact that
they have more work to do to get on the
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same page.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
When was the moment? So you were at the game,
so I don't even know if you detected this or
saw it, but it was shown very vividly on the
screen for those of us in the Barker Lounge or
in the bark of loungers. Yeah, you got to talk
me off the ledge on this because it's bugging me.
I am guards he knows this already, He's not surprised,
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But the whole alter ego thing I'm bored with already.
It's too soon for all for all of this stuff.
In my opinion, I think you got to do a
lot more before you can sell this, and people aren't
going to do anything but roll their eyes. But beyond that,
the first drive was great. Yeah, right, the long throw,
I mean that you can't put the ball in any
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better place than he did to the left. That was Naylor, right, yes,
and then he he even gave him room then to
break away to keep has a great play. Yeah, but
did you I don't know if it was right then
or was during that drive? There was a there was
a camera shot and it's closing up. It's a close
up with the QB and he's looking towards it looks
(35:12):
like the bench, and he's got that sort of hard
ass look like almost like see I'm special. Come on,
I don't need stop worrying so much about fostering this
image of what you are. Just for eight straight weeks,
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maybe three straight seasons, just go play and all that
other stuff will take care of itself.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I don't get worked up about him playing that way
because that's the way he's always played.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
If you go back to Michigan, you.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Know, the the thing about bringing up the name of
that personality nine nine which has been funny to see
people spell it two different ways. It's almost like a
like a battle n e I N is like a
battle yeah, warrior or something. But anyway, I think if
he had to do that part over again, he probably
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wouldn't And I'd be shocked if I hear him utter
that again.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well, I we'll see, Yeah, it's all it's all gonna
change again if he throws three touchdown passes and be sparis.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm just telling like, but frankly like the things, the
things that people liked about him universally all kind of
revolve around that. The competitiveness, the the energy, the fire
like and it means something. It doesn't mean that you're
gonna be either mean right, no, and so but that's
certainly part of the positive side of the evaluation of
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him coming out of school. And I think that it's
you know, I said, I think it means something, and
I think it's had some impact. It's not going to
matter if he can't complete more than fifty percent of
his passes yees, obviously, but it's it's it's part of
an overall winning package that he's continuing to try to build.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Dan, why are we not discussing what do we not discuss,
What did we not discuss at this time of year
last year? Caleb Williams underperforming, Drake May underperforming? How about
Nicks all underperforming, all in the same draft class, all
played a full season last year. I think that we
need to take that into account. I have, in fact, Guardsy.
(37:16):
I don't know if you were here that day we
discussed this in depth that I said. The unfairness of
what faces McCarthy is that, unlike Drake May last year,
unlike to a certain extent, Caleb Williams last year, the
team itself there were no expectations, so there was a
feeling of go play. If you make mistakes, there's nothing
(37:38):
at stake. The Vikings set it up where there was
going to be something at stake, and it was going
to hurt more So again, I'll argue that if anybody's
been unfair to McCarthy, it may have been the Vikings
by the way they've set this thing up. Because there's
no question May looks like a different quarterback this year.
That's the beauty of going to a team where they're
(37:58):
a mess and they're just trying to the coach is
probably a lame duck guy, and they know they're going
to make a change anyway, so we just throw throw
something somebody out there. This team was not set up
to be where it was just gonna be accepted the
same way by everybody. Because you're coming off fourteen and three,
and because you spent all the money you have this offseason,
it was going to feel differently.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Whether that's fair to McCarthy or not. Drake May is
also really good.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
He is, and they knew it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And they knew it, and they would have theold want
rill to get him, and so I think that that's
a little bit of it. And they definitely put McCarthy
in a position where his mistakes were going to be
more magnified and and and everybody pays uber attention to
young quarterbacks anyway, But you know his Drake May's mistakes
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last year, to the extent that he made him didn't
impact anything out in the fact that the Patriots had
a competitive draft pick this year as a result, and
so h this this year, the quarterbacks mistakes could potentially
impact whether they make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
All right, how about this question. Remind your guest, I
guess he doesn't know your name.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Just said your guest, all right, it's only been a
few years with you.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Pet McCarthy was a top ten pick. We gave up,
we moved up to get We shouldn't have to be
working after two years on fundamentals, et cetera, et cetera.
This is I know a pet pe for Guardsy because
we heard for serta time he was heard as about, well,
you know, we got to the base and we got
to work all this stuff. Yeah, exactly, And and there
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is a part of me that goes, really, I mean,
he's he's young, but he's not twelve, and he didn't
play a lot last year, but he was he's been
here for this is the second year here. So do
people not have a right to be a little bit
concerned when we're talking about stuff that seems to be
the elementary stuff that you associate maybe with a sixth
round draft choice or a free agent quarterback. It's just rob,
(39:50):
but we got to work on all this bass stuff.
He's supposed to be more polished than that, isn't.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
He Well I think that went to the big debate
with him was that he just hadn't played a lot.
He was he played three year a college football he
through seven hundred or so passed, which are about half
of what the rest of the of the class had
thrown in college, you know, and he like, And that
doesn't mean that that that guarantees that. I mean, you
have to throw fifteen hundred passes in college to to
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have you know, the muscle memory of the footwork and
the fundamentals and the base.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
That you need.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
But he does, you know, And like we can debate
whether he should have or shouldn't have or whatever, but
that's where it's at and that's what they're working on.
And if he isn't able to push past that, he's
going to be a fifty percent passer in his career.
And but the feeling is that it's it's it's something
that other quarterbacks have been able to push through and improve,
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and there's no reason to think that he can't.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
All right, I do you have any other quarterback thoughts
that they're in your head coming off this last game
before we clear the decks and going believe it or
not other directions.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
You know, Like I said, I have some story coming
hopefully it'll be tomorrow about this, and just I just
think that they give us a preview, gives me a
taste no, and I think what it to me was scoops.
But what if you want my sid impression he used
to say when when somebody would write a story that
he didn't respecting no scoops.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
There's no scoops in that story. That's true.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I think what the four games has revealed is that
while I think they might have taken some of the
most complicated parts of the passing game out for him,
they are giving JJ McCarthy a full NFL passing offense
to develop in. And this is not a boot left boot,
right screen, right screen, left handoff thirty five times a game.
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And like for example, the Seahawks did with Russell Wilson
way back in the day before he eventually developed into
more of a passing threat. And it increases the the
increases the likelihood that there will be some plays on
tape that you would never want to put on tape.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yes, and we've seen those.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
But it also reveals that Kevin O'Connell, who is famously
said that organizations fail, you know the quarterbacks before the
opposite that for quarterbacks fail the organizations, that his method
of developing quarterback is to, as I said earlier, is
to put him in at least some difficult and uncomfortable
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positions and that that's where the growth comes from.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
It.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It kind of goes to the to the you know,
just being in the in the parent meat grinder as
you are. You know, this this ongoing debate about helicopter
parents and whether you whether you whether you're responsible for
plowing a perfect road in front of your kids so
that they, you know, have the best chance to succeed. Uh,
when do you let your kids fail? When do you
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you know? And what's the outcome when they fail?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Do they actually learn more from failing than they do
from succeeding? And do you alter mi league turn out
to be in a better spot because you let your kids.
Your kids end up being in a better spot because
you let them fail. And so I think, you know,
I haven't heard O'Connell say that explicitly, but I think
that's clearly what is happening here is that there's there's
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you know, there's there's an aggressive push to expose him
and to get him functioning in some high level stuff.
Not as much high level as they've done in the past,
but some of it, and he might fail in some
of it. And hopefully he learns from it and it
makes him better in the long run.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
All right, let's make this the top of the hour.
Break go into a couple of other directions. Whether Vikings
fans should be devastated with a personnel announcement that came
down not that long ago that does not include a
new addition to the Viking secondary That and much more
with Seaffert, don't forget before we're done. We also have
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Louis at five point thirty tonight, Mitch Lawrence at fourth
Jess Your has the NFL coaching trade deadline already pasted.
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the full three and a half hour ride today. Are
we out a little early? Three to fifteen? Three? Six
fifteen meets well three hours, fifteen minutes, three hours and
fifty minutes sixt me. So we're out at six fifteen today.
You're out earlier than that. You got goal and go
for women's basketball duties. We have a legitimate opponent tonight,
don't we, marktt Yeah, Rick macjeris Al McGuire.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
They they they're off to a nice little plucky start themselves,
if I'm not mistaken. So maybe we learn a little
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you via the iHeartRadio app. Do we have a dedicated
Golden Go for women's basketball channel? We sure do, Okay,
the plus ninety six exactly it so be easy. What
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times kickoff tonight seven o'clock, seven pregame tonight, So Blake
Moore will be in eventually as well, probably after four
o'clock to fill in for you as you prepare for
your other duties. We have a very full broadcast today
from a guest lineup standpoint, including Louis at five point thirty,
Mitch Lawrence at four thirty, first time we've caught up
(01:50):
with him in a while, and Kevin Seaffert is scheduled
for three point thirty this evening. In the history of
the National Football League, have have we ever seen a
coaching trade head coaching trade between teams, either in the
(02:11):
off season or really juicy during a season where it's
coach for co coach for coach. Has it ever happened
where it's coach for coach, Because I'm wondering if in
the old days, like the Decatur Staley's days, the early years,
the Salad days, the National Football League, whether when it
was a little more loosey goosey whether it might have happened.
(02:33):
I don't think it's happened anytime in my lifetime. I
don't recall it. We have had trades to acquire the
services of a coach, yes, where the other teams had
to give up draft picks right, Yes, a lot of them.
Have we ever had coach for coach head coach for
head coach trade in the National Football League? And if not,
(02:53):
why not? Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing. Can you
imagine the attention a coach for coach in season trade
would garner in this twenty four to seven. It'd be fascinating.
It would be endless because the coaches go to us.
(03:14):
Good question, does everybody go, yeah, that's it. That's where
it gets probably even more complicated that It's probably why
they haven't done it. But I think it would be interesting.
It sounds like you've got an idea. I do. I
have an idea. I don't think it's likely to happen.
I'm not even here to say I'm endorsing it. But
can you make the argument, if that such a trade existed,
(03:36):
if such a possibility existed, that the Green Bay Packers
and the Minnesota Vikings should embark on a head coach
for head coach deal in which our guy Koc goes
to the Packers. I don't like it. Matt Lafleur comes here.
(03:58):
It's an uncanny series of conversations I heard this morning
largely involving your guy, Dan Orlovsky. And you know what
Orlovsky's number one complaint regarding the Green Bay Packers offense
and their head coach what's his name, Lafleur, Matt Lafleur,
(04:19):
what it was today.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I'm assuming that it's you don't let your quarterback throw enough.
He always runs the ball on second and ten. He
never stops running the ball on second and ten, And
I'm going, you can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
The issue here is we even had I think Sue
I had a column that our guy Koc has to
run the ball. That was the headline, run the ball,
the old you know, run period, the period ball period.
So the complaint, as we laid out yesterday, was we
don't run enough on second and five, or second and ten,
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or on third and one, and in Green Bay, or
at least according to Arlawski, it's their guy is just
too stubborn about sticking to the running game. So maybe
we solve the issues because we know what Koc prefers
to do. He wants to sing it, he wants to
fling it, he wants to throw it over and over again,
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no matter the circumstance, And stop with the nonsense that,
but we can't really run it when it's a false
start and it's first and fifteen. That's false. It's convenient,
but it's false. It's provably false. By the way, if
you have a running game that's working, but beyond that,
what do we need If that's true that we need
to run it more. Laflor loves running it. Matt Laflour
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might love calling more running plays for us. So is
it possible these two coaches are in the wrong place
at the wrong time, where in both cases there are issues.
Right the Packers have a great defense and they again
had great difficulty at home scoring. Their coach is under
siege for that. Our coach is under siege right now.
(06:04):
Maybe not at the same level, but pretty serious. Regarding
this bizarre reluctance to run the ball. I just find
it so fascinating that within the same division you have
both of these controversies going on at the same time.
With very different conclusions. In one case, we're running too much,
in the other case, we're passing too much.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And you know how you have to have in the NBA,
when you make a trade, the salaries have to match up,
or at least they have had to historically. Yes, if
you're comparing BMIs, I feel like it's an even trade.
They're both good in the BMI, right, so you're swapping out, Yes,
one good BMI for another BMI. You're not losing anything,
so everybody should feel fine about that aspect, but neither.
(06:44):
You don't think either team should demand a little more
to make up now the BMI. I guess loss makes
it now pretty equal. Koc's probably taller. I was going
to say, you could probably just leave all the coaching
clothes in the closet.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You Sep is much more likely to wear a ball
cap in Lafleur, right, I don't know. Does Lafleur ever
wear one? I don't think he wears one of the sidelines,
does he? No? Not? Usually not? Usually Our guy always
wears a ball cap the talking where some people they
don't even like looking at him, don't have the ball
cap on.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
He shows up like at Wolves game yeah, it is jarring.
He has mentioned Lafleur's hair though from time to time,
and that he wouldn't wear a hat if he had
Lafleur's hair.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
It's a it's a fascinating deal, and you could make
the argument that the moral of this story is that
critics on both sides are overreacting and this sort of
I guess, crystallizes life of a National Football League head coach,
where you're constantly under the microscope. For example, Eagle, who's
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the Eagles head coach, Sirian thinking of being under siege,
he's under siege after winning the game. Well, he's constantly
under siege. You know, he just won a Super Bowl,
but he's under siege because he had the audacity, the temerity.
The goal to go for it on was a fourth
and five and he throws a deep pass that by
(08:09):
definition opens the door to the Green Bay Packers moving.
All they had to move really was I think twenty
five yards to get a game tying field goal, end
of the game, Street point game. So it's a it's
a league where again, all these coaches are paid handsomely,
(08:30):
So I'm not suggesting that you should feel sorry for them,
but that's all the talk from, at least from Olawsky. Now,
I don't know in Green Bay, whether you know, the
head coach is getting questions after the game like are
you coaching? You feel like you're coaching for your job,
which is pretty frontal, pretty aggressive, and he basically said
(08:55):
he always feels like that's what he's doing. So here's
what's weird to me about it, though, Aren't they still
in first?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Are they? They actually have one less victory because of
the time, correct, So they went from first place to
what's tied for second or third. I don't know where
they are, but they're not out of this thing yet.
It's a weird loss, I guess I'm just trying to understand.
Is it because allegedly they've had their quarterback in place
and they should be as a result, they have to
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be going for it right now, where our head coach
has a continuous honeymoon period because interestingly, he and the
front office chose to accept of four options probably for
twenty twenty five, the least desirable option going with JJ McCarthy.
(09:47):
Now that's convenient. I guess I'm kind of scratching my
head about that, especially as we see Sam Darnold continue
to fling the ball around like he might be all
Pro this season. Don't text me. I know the postseason.
He didn't play very well in the postseason. We saw it,
we talked about it. We are indeed aware of it.
Let me know if you like that trade. What do
(10:08):
you think of that deal? Or would you want something else?
Thrown in from the Green Bay.
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Speaker 1 (10:45):
A Dean from Hermantown Rights Dan, I don't want any trade?
Are we just bored? I think both coaches are pretty good.
But Lafleur is kind of an ass bag. What does
that mean? Why is he an ass bag? What does
he coaches? The Packers? Probably he has a crankier looking
demeanor on the sidelines. I'll give you that, but I
(11:06):
don't know that that necessarily I don't know that he
should necessarily be judged on that. Uh, that trade only
needs several other pieces, added Brian Guttikins in the Player
Evaluation staff. Maybe we could get some value out of
the draft and build long term success from within. Wow,
Savage in Monticello sounds like guards. He has a cold.
(11:30):
Bring in Blake more early, so Justin could take a
nap before calling an entire I know, basketball game. We'll
see how it goes tonight. If you are swapping coaches
with the Packers, why not make it a package deal
and swap quarterbacks too, Lafleur and Jay Love for Koc
(11:53):
and Jmack. Interesting, that's controversial. Well, according to Orlovsky, Jay
Love's not the problem. The head coach is a problem.
He's being too careful with him. He's too worried about turnovers. Well,
some of those turnovers hurt him last year, I think.
So he's basically saying let it loose, just Jordan Love
(12:17):
just fling the ball around. Just let it go, which
might be true, but also might just be convenient, because
there's a downside to letting any quarterback, including him, just
letting the ball go. Dan, did you see Darnold in
the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Seriously, at least he got us to the playoffs. I
like the idea of the deal. I would ask that
to bring it up with Gerby, you know close circuit
to six one two. Guy, I'm not going to read
your text. Do you have any understanding how this program works?
Do you really think I'm suggesting this tradeing? Literally? Do
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you not understan? And it's merely a device to discuss
just how fascinating we get, how this how crazed we
get that in one NFC North market it's run the
ball and in another NFC market it's start passing the ball.
That's the point of this discussion, that these two issues
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should be rearing their heads at the very same time,
within the same division. It is fascinating to me. It
may be true in the in the case of the Vikings,
I think it is true. I haven't watched enough Packer
football to know that the problem there is is they're
trying to run the ball too much. But I will
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say this, and I don't know Seafert can confirm this
or not. Is is what whose tree is Lafleur for? From? What?
What coaching tree is Matt Lafleur? Do we know? Do
we remember? We think shannyhn Shanahan, Oh, that's a Shanahan deal.
We think that makes sense. Washington together Shanahan is he's
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he's he believes in the running game, right, he certainly
thinks that's an apprecipt. What about the Rams head coach?
What tree is he from? McVeigh Yeah, same, okay, samean
My gut tells me that that over a period of years,
both of those coaches have remained far more committed to
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the run bit that our guy ever has ever has,
even though he also comes from the same tree. And I,
for the life of me, still don't understand why that
is why it's that difficult, especially now, especially you could
even argue two years ago when we had to use
like nine different quarterbacks, right, Yeah, I don't. I just
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for the life of me, do not understand it. It
just doesn't make any sense to me. A couple other
good texts on this, with some other idea ideas. There's
a lot of Gervishmidt cheap shots. Not surprisingly, Yeah, that
makes sense. We'll ask him who has the better BMI.
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My interest in this trade is completely dependent on that,
if you had to make it a decision, because I
think they are close. Yeah, but Tom in Crystal wants
to know who's got They may both have great BMIs,
but that's not the question. Who has the better BMI,
I think more might Yeah, I think Lafleur. Does you
think our guy's thickening a little bit? No, I think
laflor is a little. I think.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
For laugh back here, I think Lafleur's a little I
think he hits the weights a little harder than our guy.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Oh interesting, I think our.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Guy may have been influenced by TB twelve. I think
he does more stretching, you might be and like more peloton.
I think Lafleur can throw some weight around.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
If we had, if we had the intrepid beat reporting
in this town that we deserve, we know the answer
to this question already. That would have been. That would
have been that we would have the analytics, we would
have the raw numbers. I'm the b M. I of
our at least our head coach, and in Green Bay,
same thing. We would have a little bit more detail
on this. Fortunately we don't.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Why haven't we done a coach's combine at one of
the fifty off season meetings in like Palm Springs in
Florida and Arizona when they're.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
At the Phoenician.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Why don't we just set up a couple of combine events?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And I got no problem with that. Andy Reid would
do it. Whose hair do you like better? The floor,
la floors or well can we never see? Ko KOs
is a hat guy, which I like better. As you
know I'm a hat guy. You're definitely a haad guy.
So I like Koc's overall vibe. I think better.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
The floor is too heavy with like the vests too.
You know he were's too many layers. I don't trust
guys that layers. You don't like the layers. It's a
good look. You usually goes the sleeveless. Yeah, exactly, Yeah
you got family this. Yeah, well he definitely.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I think he's got more of the old style pat
Riley goop in his hair, yes, than Koc ever has
crush you. Yes, I think there's a lot of season
match more of a matt finished guy. I think, uh
solid Blaine. Wow. You know you don't always have to
draft your franchise quarterback. You are allowed to trade or
luck into signing him. Excuse me, just ask the Lions, Buccaneers, Seahawks, Colts,
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Rams how it's working for them. There's a painful offense
to watch at times. I wanted Rogers for one year,
to give the kid one more year to learn while healthy.
But I was on board with committing to Darnold going
forward and admit I had little interest in Jones being
an option. We're haunted by the Herschel Walker trade. This
past offseason may haunt us more. I think this coach
may not be able to have the patience to coach
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a young QB and requires a vet QB to run
his offense. We are wasting Jjay's as in Justin Jefferson's
prime years. I don't think it will happen, but I
hope it's not Diggs. Part two that would be ironic
being is that did Digs trade brought us JJ in
the first place. That's true, it did you know he's
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onto something. Part of your problem and many fidens fans
the problem is that obsession with we got to draft
our guy, our franchise guy. We got to I'm sick
of this. We always do it the other way, and
I'm tired of it. I want us to draft our
franchise guy, but you gotta be you gotta draft the
right guy. You do. Wait till I unleash some analytics
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on Seafert. Once correctable, it's one of the most amazing
I think it would be called a line graph that
I've ever seen relating to quarterback production so far this
season across the National I have a feeling I know
which way it's going. Have you seen this particularly one
I have brought to my attention? I thought it might
have been brought to your attention to I think the
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Eagles thought that the fourth down pass it worst, would
have been picked off, almost like a punt. Then yeah,
but if if it's incomplete, it goes back to the
line of scrimmage. Is the problem. You don't make a
you don't do a play hoping for an interception. Yeah,
I don't think so. Not a smart idea, No, because
you're right, an interception would sir. If it's picked off
at the two, then you win in that, you know,
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But how do how do you possibly You can't possibly
assume that that's the way that play is going to
be going to end, all right, Seaffert, As I mentioned,
is it will be in shortly. Mitch Lawrence on a
bunch of stuff. The Dallas Mavericks fired their general manager,
and we did not because we were so busy largely
with Viking stuff. Owed one of the great National Basketball
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Association names of all time. The kids don't know the name.
They should. Lenny Wilkins has passed away, I think at
the age of eighty eight. Hell of a run, historic
career as a player and a coach. I covered him
in some playoff rounds. Mitch covered him a lot. So
Mitch Lawrence will be with us at four point thirty
to discuss that story kind of owed to a dead guy,
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and some more current stuff as well, regarding several teams
in the National Basketball Association and including the Dallas Mavericks
getting rid of the guy who traded Luca away. Luigi
on your suddenly red hot with too many goaltenders. We've
gone from not sure we have one goaltender too, we
now have too many goaltenders and are we going to
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be able to keep them both happy? It turns around
really quick in the National Hockey League. Louis on all
that and more at five point thirty. Kevin Siefferd is
in the house a text us at the branch on
Brian Cafe in text line six four six eighty six.
I know your research is limited in this particular area,
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but if you had to, and I don't know how
you make this call without the numbers. But if you
had to just do eye test better BMI in your opinion,
the floor or KOC.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
We're getting that hitting right away. Yeah, well because none
of the other states. So am I like the body
mass in Yeah, the lower you are the better allegedly. Yeah,
I think that's the way you want evaluated. I mean,
I think I mean from like, I don't like. Oh
kind of looks pretty like if you look at pictures
of him when he played compared to now, like, he
he lost a lot. He's one of those guys that
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lost a lot of weight after that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
He's old doweye.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
When he played, he was he was built to take
quarterback right uh, and he's he's he's pretty thin now.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Okay, So I don't know that that He's not gonna
be mad at you if you pick youth, not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, won't go that far. That's that's who I go with,
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
All right, Again, we will take some questions and some
of them will be even more hard hitting than that.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
So the first Packer game is at Lambeau Sunday, November
twenty third. We'll have to monitor the coach's handshake and
get an up to date picture of the two of them.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Who would win, who would win.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
In an arm wrestling or hand grip or what competition
between It doesn't Marty Wexer the third have like a
handgrip tow grip that I.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Think he had a hand one too, though, But to
grip he did it because he had advancement.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I think he's got leverage. I mean he probably.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I'm sure his arms are longer. Isn't that like a
big taller much or is he much taller?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah? Yeah, Connor is like he's like six six. He's
not that tall. I think he is. He's pretty tall.
Is listed?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
They do that with coaches too, where he was when
he was at San Diego State, almost positive, that's what
they listened. I'd say he's probably legit six five and
on the floor five five six, and he's not that
not that true. He's in the he's in the average
five nine inch type ten.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
He's interesting that right now there are two coaches under siege.
It may be worse in Green Bay than it is here,
But as I laid out, is O'Connell under siege? Well,
I think he's under siege for one thing in particular, Okay,
I don't think he's under siege like his jobs in Jeffardy, right.
I think he's under siege rightly in my opinion. And
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this is not you've heard. You may say this a
million times for a curious belief that if it's second
and ten, you can't run on second and ten, you
can barely run on third and three. And what's I
said was ironic? Is that your guy for me, espn
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Orlovsky was just blistering, uh, the Green Bay Packers head coach.
And what was or the Orlosky complaint? All he wants
to do is run the ball in second and ten.
He needs to throw, throw, throw an unleash, which I
think to me, the moral of the story is we
always have the answers. Yeah, And it's just fascinating how
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different it can be where here right now, it's they
gotta he's got to stop falling in love with always
throwing the ball. And there it's he's got to stop
running the ball, has stopped being obsessed with the run. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
For me, it's always if it didn't work, they should
have done the other thing. That's that's usually the uh yes,
the answer for us and the out side you know
the differences between the Packers and the Vikings there is
that you have, you've developed your quarterback in Green Bay,
you're paying him two hundred and twenty million, like he's said, right, yes, yeah,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I mean when when if you're.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Not and you're scoring seven points, if you're not willing
to air it out on second and ten or whatever, like,
that isn't your you know, you're I was. They did
go out and get Jacobs last year and they're paying
him a lot of money too. But like you know,
they they're supposedly have an established, developed quarterback, but in
the turnaround here would be like you don't, and so
like maybe the run makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
That's fair. Although if you recall we've talked about this
before a bunch on this show. If you go back
to Aaron Rodgers, some of Aaron Rodgers' best years in
Green Bay, running the ball was always a part of
what who is the guy who's the coach?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Before la Floor Mike McCarthy. McCarthy, he was devoted to
that as well. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And why has koc skipped over this even though everybody
else in the same tree has remained committed to it
as much as they want to be able to fling it.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
So it's interesting, you know, he has, I would say,
in the last last season and and part of the
season sort of incrementally if you look at the numbers,
incrementally called more design runs, or at least they've they've
run more design runs, but it's incremental, And I just think, like,
that's who he is. Like that's if you get to
the core of I agree of what his philosophy is
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for winning games. That is that you need to have,
at the very least, you need to have a certain
number of explosive plays because if you're just trying to
drive it, you know, seventy yards and fourteen plays every time,
you're only going to get so many bites of the apple.
Like that's just you just how many of those drives
can you have in the course of the game. You
need chunk plays to make scoring easier or to score
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and it's itself on those plays. And I think that's
just who he is. I think it, and I'm writing
about this for later this week.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Even though I think they've probably pulled back on some
of the things that they do, you know, with respect
to to the quarterback and his experience level, they're still
airing it out, you know, they're still I think they're
top you know, within the games McCarthy has played. I
think there's still in the top ten of the NFL
in design passes, you know, and he is an Alec
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Lewis point of this out and I checked it out
in our in our True Media ESPN.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Database as well. Uh JJ.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
McCarthy leads the NFL in air yards per attempt, and
air yards are like actually the actual amount of yards
it goes past the line of scrimmage before it gets
the receiver. So these are still downfield, you know, chunk
attempts at chunk plays and some of it's his decision making,
but but those are the plays that are the way
he's interpreting the plays and reading the plays. So I
just think that that's you know, that's who well, but
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here's who he is, Okay. But that's not an excuse
to me.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Because so if you're asking why it's happened, Yeah, that's
why it's happened, okay, And I don't disagree with that,
but we can always use that for any coach that
tries to overcompensate or does not give, at least in
theory his team the best chance to succeed is that, well,
that's just that's what he's made of. I would consider
that a flaw. I would consider that. And because you
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and I have talked, you've quoted this stuff going back
two years the year we had Pastronaut, the fact that
he was so I guess enthusiastic about that approach that
he continued to throw the ball down field then more
than any team in the league. That's illogical. It might
be a little more logical with this guy, because even
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though he's young, he's not considered a journeyman like Pastronaut was.
But I think to me it goes back to the
old thing of how you give any quarterback, especially one
just starting trying to get started, the best chance to succeed.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And I think what he's trying to do is put
him in some tough and difficult and potentially uncomfortable positions
and that that's in his mind. He said this explicitly Sundays,
that's where the growth is and so so.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Then he's then he doesn't care about this season. He
can't see That's where I think he needs to be
challenged more. And they can't have it both ways.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, and the other part of the quote was that
and we're trying to balance that with a chance to win.
And but to me that that just speaks to the large,
larger thing of what they've been talking about since the
beginning of the season, right, you know, threading this needle
of trying to compete, spending three hundred and almost three
hundred fifty million dollars in the roster with a with
a quarterback who hadn't played before. Like, that's the that's
the nature of the of the needle that they're threading that.
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You know, they're not in a in a place where
they can you know, take a take a tank year
or whatever you want, not tank, but like a year
where it doesn't matter if they win or lose because
of the way the roster is constructed and frankly, where
they are in their process of the you know, since
they got here him in quasy.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Don't they call that hubrish? Yeah? I mean to me,
that's the error because I don't believe. I think in
their mind they convinced themselves we're loaded enough and I'm
smart enough. Yeah, we're gonna be able to pull this
off right away. Maybe yeah, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I don't think that they went in like creating like
a fantasy, I mean, following a fantasy that they didn't
think would ever work. I think that they they felt
like they could pull it off. But whether it was
they thought there was a thirty percent chance they could
pull it off for a ninety percent chance like that
would be the difference there.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Texter, this is six y five one guys. The air
yard aunt take into account when JJ throws to an
open defensive back. They turned on the already they have.
Have you seen the chart, the quarterback efficiency chart I'm
talking about. It's got a lot of pretty colors. No
you've seen this, maybe, but go ahead this one. This
hot reads win probability zero one regular weeks, one to
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ten playoffs, non minimum one hundred plays downs one to
four quarters all. I don't even know what that means.
And pretty much every quarterback who's played this year is
on this. I don't know if you call this a
line graph, I don't know the technical name for it.
And a again, let me get it out of the way.
I'm not giving up on the QB. I'm not suggesting
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they cut him. We know all that, but he's playing
and you still get to evaluate what you see. And
according to this quarterback efficiency chart, is he on it? Well,
he's he's lower left, the lower left, he's he's below,
He's several points below Ward and he's listed under the
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the minus point two zero. Every other quarterback, Dylan Gabriel
is well ahead of him, Jake Browning is well ahead
of him, justin Fields, Gino Smith, The list goes on
and on. He's at he's below. Everybody else is inefficiency.
It says quarterback efficiency. But then that's an awfully broad subject,
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so I don't know what that.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Happens analytic term, and it can be defined the last
ways we have. We use QBR and that's why he's
not even on the chart QB.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Actually I looked up this up.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So there's been I think it's forty six quarterbacks who
have started at least one game. His QBR is forty fourth,
and in this case, cam Ward's a little bit below him.
Cam Warden in Tennessee the first overall pick this year.
Everybody a team that's supposed to be terrible. Yeah, everybody
else is ahead of him, And so you know, you
don't make future projections based on what the four games
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look like, but the four games have been rough.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
All part of value, part of the evaluation.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
There's been some there's been a you know, I look
at it like, there's been enough examples that if you're
an optimist, you pull out those whows and you say, well,
this is this is the first drive.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I can say it's there, like, I see it.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I can see all the things that he needs to
be a really good quarterback. But there's the consistency level
just isn't there yet. And I think you look at
him and you say, this is a guy who hasn't
played enough to create almost like to create the muscle memory. Yeah,
to throw the ball with the same fundamentals and footwork
every time, and when over the course of the game
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gets amped up and he loses a lot of those
those that footwork and fundamentals and the ball sprays all
over the place, what's the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
You got to play. You got to create.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That muscle memory by continuing to get rep after rep
after rep. And it's possible, and then you have to
hope that by doing that it brings you know, it
takes the far end of the good plays on the
far end of the bad plays and starts moving everything together,
and you create a consistent player a lot.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I mean, the text are pouring in here on the No,
it's not all bad. JJ is having a hard time
for the same reason Darnold eventually had a hard time.
KOs refuses to accept short completions as good plays. Stafford
is a much more accomplished quarterback, and McVeigh runs lots
of plays to get the ball out quick. And look,
I've seen plays where Stafford's going deep too, But there
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are a lot of short completions, and there's power to
short completions too, And that I think is another factor
that I think sometimes just this this, this head coach
just is not all that interested in I don't, you know,
I don't know why somebody is saying they believe they're concerned.
Are you concerned, Seyffert, that j Mac and Justin Jefferson's
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Jefferson seemed to have negative chemistry at this point.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
They don't have negative chemistry, but they aren't on this,
you know, entirely on the same page either.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And it's interesting that it looks like he's it, you know,
he looks like he has more chemistry with Nailor and Addison.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah. Two guys.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
He spent all of training him throwing too, while Justin
was injured with the hamstring. Justin is also a unique
player in turn and he Justin talked a lot about
this this summer.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
A unique route runner.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
You know, he has the stride that that allows him
to make turns that most people don't make and to
get the spots that most people don't get to. And
it takes some time to get used to throwing to him.
And you know, you throw twelve times in his way
in and there's four connections, and then you say, like,
it's hard to conclude anything other than the fact that
they have more work to do to get on the
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same page.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
When was the moment? So you were at the game,
so I don't even know if you detected this or
saw it, but it was shown very vividly on the
screen for those of us in the Barker Lounge or
in the bark of loungers. Yeah, you got to talk
me off the ledge on this because it's bugging me.
I am guards he knows this already, He's not surprised,
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But the whole alter ego thing I'm bored with already.
It's too soon for all for all of this stuff.
In my opinion, I think you got to do a
lot more before you can sell this, and people aren't
going to do anything but roll their eyes. But beyond that,
the first drive was great. Yeah, right, the long throw,
I mean that you can't put the ball in any
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better place than he did to the left. That was Naylor, right, yes,
and then he he even gave him room then to
break away to keep has a great play. Yeah, but
did you I don't know if it was right then
or was during that drive? There was a there was
a camera shot and it's closing up. It's a close
up with the QB and he's looking towards it looks
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like the bench, and he's got that sort of hard
ass look like almost like see I'm special. Come on,
I don't need stop worrying so much about fostering this
image of what you are. Just for eight straight weeks,
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maybe three straight seasons, just go play and all that
other stuff will take care of itself.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I don't get worked up about him playing that way
because that's the way he's always played.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
If you go back to Michigan, you.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Know, the the thing about bringing up the name of
that personality nine nine which has been funny to see
people spell it two different ways. It's almost like a
like a battle n e I N is like a
battle yeah, warrior or something. But anyway, I think if
he had to do that part over again, he probably
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wouldn't And I'd be shocked if I hear him utter
that again.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well, I we'll see, Yeah, it's all it's all gonna
change again if he throws three touchdown passes and be sparis.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm just telling like, but frankly like the things, the
things that people liked about him universally all kind of
revolve around that. The competitiveness, the the energy, the fire
like and it means something. It doesn't mean that you're
gonna be either mean right, no, and so but that's
certainly part of the positive side of the evaluation of
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him coming out of school. And I think that it's
you know, I said, I think it means something, and
I think it's had some impact. It's not going to
matter if he can't complete more than fifty percent of
his passes yees, obviously, but it's it's it's part of
an overall winning package that he's continuing to try to build.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Dan, why are we not discussing what do we not discuss,
What did we not discuss at this time of year
last year? Caleb Williams underperforming, Drake May underperforming? How about
Nicks all underperforming, all in the same draft class, all
played a full season last year. I think that we
need to take that into account. I have, in fact, Guardsy.
(37:16):
I don't know if you were here that day we
discussed this in depth that I said. The unfairness of
what faces McCarthy is that, unlike Drake May last year,
unlike to a certain extent, Caleb Williams last year, the
team itself there were no expectations, so there was a
feeling of go play. If you make mistakes, there's nothing
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at stake. The Vikings set it up where there was
going to be something at stake, and it was going
to hurt more So again, I'll argue that if anybody's
been unfair to McCarthy, it may have been the Vikings
by the way they've set this thing up. Because there's
no question May looks like a different quarterback this year.
That's the beauty of going to a team where they're
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a mess and they're just trying to the coach is
probably a lame duck guy, and they know they're going
to make a change anyway, so we just throw throw
something somebody out there. This team was not set up
to be where it was just gonna be accepted the
same way by everybody. Because you're coming off fourteen and three,
and because you spent all the money you have this offseason,
it was going to feel differently.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Whether that's fair to McCarthy or not. Drake May is
also really good.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
He is, and they knew it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And they knew it, and they would have theold want
rill to get him, and so I think that that's
a little bit of it. And they definitely put McCarthy
in a position where his mistakes were going to be
more magnified and and and everybody pays uber attention to
young quarterbacks anyway, But you know his Drake May's mistakes
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last year, to the extent that he made him didn't
impact anything out in the fact that the Patriots had
a competitive draft pick this year as a result, and
so h this this year, the quarterbacks mistakes could potentially
impact whether they make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
All right, how about this question. Remind your guest, I
guess he doesn't know your name.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Just said your guest, all right, it's only been a
few years with you.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Pet McCarthy was a top ten pick. We gave up,
we moved up to get We shouldn't have to be
working after two years on fundamentals, et cetera, et cetera.
This is I know a pet pe for Guardsy because
we heard for serta time he was heard as about, well,
you know, we got to the base and we got
to work all this stuff. Yeah, exactly, And and there
(39:27):
is a part of me that goes, really, I mean,
he's he's young, but he's not twelve, and he didn't
play a lot last year, but he was he's been
here for this is the second year here. So do
people not have a right to be a little bit
concerned when we're talking about stuff that seems to be
the elementary stuff that you associate maybe with a sixth
round draft choice or a free agent quarterback. It's just rob,
(39:50):
but we got to work on all this bass stuff.
He's supposed to be more polished than that, isn't.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
He Well I think that went to the big debate
with him was that he just hadn't played a lot.
He was he played three year a college football he
through seven hundred or so passed, which are about half
of what the rest of the of the class had
thrown in college, you know, and he like, And that
doesn't mean that that that guarantees that. I mean, you
have to throw fifteen hundred passes in college to to
(40:16):
have you know, the muscle memory of the footwork and
the fundamentals and the base.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
That you need.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
But he does, you know, And like we can debate
whether he should have or shouldn't have or whatever, but
that's where it's at and that's what they're working on.
And if he isn't able to push past that, he's
going to be a fifty percent passer in his career.
And but the feeling is that it's it's it's something
that other quarterbacks have been able to push through and improve,
(40:45):
and there's no reason to think that he can't.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
All right, I do you have any other quarterback thoughts
that they're in your head coming off this last game
before we clear the decks and going believe it or
not other directions.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
You know, Like I said, I have some story coming
hopefully it'll be tomorrow about this, and just I just
think that they give us a preview, gives me a
taste no, and I think what it to me was scoops.
But what if you want my sid impression he used
to say when when somebody would write a story that
he didn't respecting no scoops.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
There's no scoops in that story. That's true.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I think what the four games has revealed is that
while I think they might have taken some of the
most complicated parts of the passing game out for him,
they are giving JJ McCarthy a full NFL passing offense
to develop in. And this is not a boot left boot,
right screen, right screen, left handoff thirty five times a game.
(41:46):
And like for example, the Seahawks did with Russell Wilson
way back in the day before he eventually developed into
more of a passing threat. And it increases the the
increases the likelihood that there will be some plays on
tape that you would never want to put on tape.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yes, and we've seen those.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
But it also reveals that Kevin O'Connell, who is famously
said that organizations fail, you know the quarterbacks before the
opposite that for quarterbacks fail the organizations, that his method
of developing quarterback is to, as I said earlier, is
to put him in at least some difficult and uncomfortable
(42:28):
positions and that that's where the growth comes from.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
It.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It kind of goes to the to the you know,
just being in the in the parent meat grinder as
you are. You know, this this ongoing debate about helicopter
parents and whether you whether you whether you're responsible for
plowing a perfect road in front of your kids so
that they, you know, have the best chance to succeed. Uh,
when do you let your kids fail? When do you
(42:52):
you know? And what's the outcome when they fail?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Do they actually learn more from failing than they do
from succeeding? And do you alter mi league turn out
to be in a better spot because you let your kids.
Your kids end up being in a better spot because
you let them fail. And so I think, you know,
I haven't heard O'Connell say that explicitly, but I think
that's clearly what is happening here is that there's there's
(43:16):
you know, there's there's an aggressive push to expose him
and to get him functioning in some high level stuff.
Not as much high level as they've done in the past,
but some of it, and he might fail in some
of it. And hopefully he learns from it and it
makes him better in the long run.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
All right, let's make this the top of the hour.
Break go into a couple of other directions. Whether Vikings
fans should be devastated with a personnel announcement that came
down not that long ago that does not include a
new addition to the Viking secondary That and much more
with Seaffert, don't forget before we're done. We also have
(43:52):
Louis at five point thirty tonight, Mitch Lawrence at fourth
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