November 17, 2025 • 44 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show discussing the JJ McCarthy Meltdown performance that led to the Vikings loss against the Bears on Sunday before Adam Thielen makes his weekly appearance for a great conversation about what's led to all the struggles offensively this season.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Jesus your and you thought Josh Freeman was out of
the league leader fan fan radio network. That's frustrating. And
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past three o'clock Central Standard Time, Welcome back Monday edition
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Bumper to Bumper program on a call before the Snonami
Monday here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint
Paul Garcy is the producer of the program. I'm the
former instant Retch newspaper the Twin Cities, Dan Barrero. We
will be here six thirty or do we have Are
we out early? Leave at six fifteen tonight? Fifteen tonight
for Wolves of Vikings programming heading into Wolves into Wolves Dallas.
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Are we playing nobody? Are we ever gonna beat a
team with a winning record? That's all I ask. We have.
Every one of our victories has come against teams with
losing records, and every one of our losses, I think
is against the team with a winning record. So sooner
or later, hopefully we you'd like to think we'll have
an opportunity to get that indeed done. But I digress.
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A lots of Vikings conversation today the post mortem is
in session. The therapy session is in session, however you
want to refer to it. Vikings talking points will be
part of the equation today. Monday regulars include Adam Feeling
at the bottom of the hour, John Athletic at four
oh two, and Ben Lieber at four forty seven. Addition
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to the Monday lineup today is Chris Carter. He's going
to join at the five oh two today, scheduled for
a five two appearance. Kind of made his presence known
and felt via X in the wake of the Viking's
most recent setback and the Josh Freeman like performance from
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the young quarterback JJ, we have to call on the
young quarterback Young Quarterbacks was at the People Stadium. Yes,
he was there, so first hand, sitting next to Josh Dummel. Okay,
well yeah, and interviewed by Tatum Everett. Yeah, it was
a big day for CC. Was he cranky talking about
the quarterback during that interview? I don't, I didn't. The
only thing I heard from the interview is he said,
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I love the Bears. I would not be in the
Hall of Fame if not for the Bears, is what
I saw on tone. It's pretty good. I don't know
what he had to say about JJ, Well, I'm going
to have to ask him the obvious question at some point,
how long would he last? JJ McCarthy this quarterback. I mean,
let's be fair. I think even Chris would acknowledge he
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wasn't always the most patient of wide receivers exactly when
the ball was forty feet in the air. Are you
old enough to remember the Josh Freeman game? Oh yeah, absolutely,
I remember watching me Cabo. I remember it like yesterday,
and I had I'm sorry, I had Josh Freeman flashbacks.
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We brought him in. He played one game for the Vikings.
It was a Monday nighter. It was October twenty two
of twenty thirteen, so more than to so that basically
more than twelve years ago, Dayline East, Rutherford, New Jersey,
and I think he was twenty for fifty three. We
slung the game, we just and we had Adrian Peterson,
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by the way, and I think he had like four carries.
If Koc had been the head the play call, he
probably won't have had two, and probably Freeman would have
thrown at sixty five games instead of the fifty three
that he did. Twenty for fifty three. He was awful.
I in my mind's eye, I thought there was one
pass that was so high it almost ended up in
the first row of the stands in East ruther YEP
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because I remember talking about it. It was crazy, and
that's what yesterday felt like. I mean, honestly, in terms
of wildness and in terms of overthrows especially. I'm thinking
Josh Freeman, I really am. And here's what's crazy. Before
you think I'm crazy for using this comparison. Josh Freeman's
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quarterback ratings that day Old fashion quarterback rating sixty five
to nine, QBR rating twenty four to two. JJ McCarthy
yesterday old Fashioned quarterback rating forty seven point seven and
New Fangled quarterback rating twenty two. So he was a
fact two points on the new system worse analytically than Freeman,
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who was absolutely hideous that night. And he's twenty two
point two points worse than Freeman when it comes to
the old fashion ratings. Here's the good news. By the way,
he is a good I think it's like I want
to say, in the overall ratings for the season quarterback
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ratings the old Fashion points system, I think he's like
sixty points ahead of Shador Sanders Our young quarterback is Yes,
that's the only one. He's ahead of a shador who
I think clocked in at a thirteen in limited action
for the Cleveland Browns yesterday. I'm really glad I will
say that, Yes, you're right. A Texter guy, Josh Freeman
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was the guy involved in the notorious phone presser with
Rick Spielman whispering the answers in his ear. He was
that's it. That's great recall on the part of that individual.
I'm glad I spent some time yesterday clarifying one point
because I've hammered endlessly the running issue for me being big.
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But I did say, in fairness regarding that issue, I
still think it's the best way to help a struggling
young quarterback, or struggling old quarterback, or a struggling journeyman quarterback,
including Josh Freeman. But I also cautioned and said yesterday,
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if your quarterback, no matter how much you love him,
in a given game, is as inaccurate as JJ McCarthy
has has been through much of his short tenure here,
it ain't gonna matter how many times you run it
or how effectively you run it. At some point, the
component of more accurate throwing is going to be part
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of the conversation and needs to be part of the conversation.
Trying to make the point that, yeah, I know people
think I'm a broken record on the running game. I
stand by all of it. But I think we saw
even witness yesterday because I think there was pretty good
commitment to the run, with a couple of exceptions. I
actually the irony is I actually thought Ben Johnson was
channeling too much Koc in a couple of key red
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zone situations for the Bears. YEP. That ended up playing
into the Vikings hands, and Koc actually ran a decent amount.
But what we were I think what was underscored again
yesterday is it doesn't matter how many times you run
or what else you do. If your quarterback is that inaccurate,
you don't you really don't have a chance to win
the game. As it turns out they did, because the
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Bears are still in some ways even in first place
in the division. The Bears, it is shocking to say that,
but it's true, and the accuracy issue in this game
might have been the worst worst that it has been
thus far in terms of how far off he was.
The lack of touch that he had the inability to throw.
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I think what Brady calls does he call the change
of pace the two ball? The two ball? The inability
to throw the two ball, the inability to put a
lark on it where you're throwing it on a string, which,
depending on the UH was certainly in the past two
Aaron Jones that made no sense. It was unwatchable at times.
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And I think what we're learning at this point is
that the the grand dream, which was, of course we're
going to do both, We're gonna usher in the new
era with JJ McCarthy and he's going to play good
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enough that we're going to be a factor this year.
We may not go to a super Bowl this year,
but we're going to be a playoff contender. We're gonna
be We're gonna do the impossible. We're not gonna take
when when what's the term for when you leave high
school and you decide to not immediately go to college,
you spend a year in Europe or something. What's the term?
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They call that? The gap year? The gap year? Yeah,
I mean, we thought we could do it without a
gap year, and what we're finding out is we need
at least one gap year with JJ McCarthy. So again
you in an odd sort of way, it probably becomes
easier to play him. I think it does the worst
the record gets because then there's not as much at stake.
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And you say, we got to the training. We can't
put the training wheels back on them. We have to
keep the training wheels off and we have to suffer
through it and in the and we may pay for it.
With a with a wide receiver who's not been a
diva saying I don't know how much more of this
I can take. He may never say it that way,
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but his body language may indicate it. There may be
even other players who aren't going to proclaim it but
are going to end up being affected by it. It
sounds as if I read a couple of places that
the booze if you were in the building, were actually
a lot more obvious than on the TV broadcast, and
you could hear them on the TV broadcast, But I
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was told, were you there, no? A couple of people
had said A couple of people wrote that that basically
said out of Chicago basically said it. I don't know
it sounds on TV, but I think it's actually worse
in the building, and it was was the was the key,
the seminal moment, the just second and two false start
second and then it's excuse me, third and two. Yes,
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then it's a false start on Dari saw third and
seven and then the throat of the right sidelines to
Jay Yep. That was, like I said, that was Josh Freeman.
That was a Josh Freeman throw that he didn't even
try to go up for because he knew it. There's
no there's it's not even in the same area code.
It was. How high up? Would do you think that
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throw was over his head? Twenty feet thirty feet really
high feet. I'd love to see a Supports science breakdown
of it. Yeah, but that was and you'll hear that
in one of the talking points brought to you by
Federated Insurance. You will hear that play and you will
hear the crowd and yes, that was. It'll be picked
up the seminal moment. That was where you'll even hear
it from the announcers on the Vikings Entertainment Slash Audio
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network that what are we doing here? And that was
early third quarter. I don't I understand. It's a tough day.
It's a tough period for the mc bobos. But if
your best comeback is both quarterbacks were sixteen of thirty two,
I can't help you. I can't because we're not I'm
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certainly not here to applaud the performance of Caleb Williams.
Is he the Bear starter?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
He is?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
He wasn't brilliant at all. Did you hear what his
head coach said? You want to talk about a different
approach now? Again, he played all last year too. This
is his first year. Ben Johnson with Caleb Williams. We're
going to get to it later. It's fascinating contrast in
coaching styles because the Bears won the game. Their guy
actually did make a couple of plays enough because under
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pressure to scramble out of trouble, even though he was
not great and you'd have thought he'd have lost the game.
It was interesting. It's a different style. Our guy goes
one way, and when we come back, that's the other
thing we have to talk about. We've reached a point
that Koc needs an intervention not on running the ball,
because maybe he mastered that yesterday. He even acknowledged it,
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but on whether he's doing his quarterback and he favors
with some of the things he continues to discuss in
explaining his quarterback struggles. They may all be true, but
I'm not sure he should be saying that, saying them
out loud. We'll get to that when we come back,
and we will prepare for some Vikings talking points and
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a great guest lineup the rest of the way. Don't
go back.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Did you see the game?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right, we're back. We'll get to a lot of
the text a little bit later, kind of a guest
intensive program. Today. We got a lot of good Vikings
talking points as as well. I don't know, I mean,
the relationship between the Jackals and KOs is not at
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its high point right now. Anyway, there's a lot of
tension in the room. But I honestly believe, and this
sounds kind of hypocritical, because I'm the guy who always
wants people to talk and not shut up right and
give us, you know, give folks stuff to bounce off of,
whether it's coaches or players. But if the best you
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can come up with to explain the struggles of JJ
to this point is feet and eyes. Feet and eyes.
The thing that we saw throughout the week in the
practice field, making it about that when he has great
posture at the top of drops, he throws the ball
really well. It all feeds into the stuff a few
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weeks ago about the base and I honestly think, I
know he's well intentioned trying to protect his QB, but
I think comments like that talking about stuff so elementary,
all that results is I think alarm bells go off
in people's heads and they go, well, how long has
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he played quarterback? I get it he hasn't played at
this level very much, But you're acting like he just
started playing the position about you know, two and a
half years ago. What are we doing? Eyes and feet, posture,
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I mean, the whole thing. I don't. I honestly believe
he'd be better off making something else up that's more sophisticated,
or or not answer the question the same way, because
it really does come off that. Here's how I conclude
when I hear it. He shouldn't be playing yet. Not
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that he shouldn't be the guy eventually or have a
chance to be the guy. Not that he's not gonna
end up being a really good quarterback, but he might
be one of those guys who needs two years sitting
where he's involved in a lot more practices as well,
so he's healthy enough to be involved in practices, get
extra work or whatever. When you start talking about we
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got to repeat this stuff over and over again, things
like that, Like you said posture, bass, eyes and feet
it I mean the throw that got me. He threw
two picks, right, Yeah, there should have been a third one.
I actually think the end zone pick was a hell
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of a defensive play. It's still a mistake because you
already have three points and you lose three points. By
the way ended up being important. Could have been thrown
a little further. It was a really good defensive play,
and the first one was was worse the third one.
As somebody somebody wrote this, the the Bears were so
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eager to get another interception that two of them collided
going for the ball. They're like, they're so, you know,
like dizzy for possessed another pick. I want this one.
And on that play, if you watch him, he he
kind of has to move up a little in the pocket.
He doesn't have a lot of room, and he decides,
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here's what I'll do. I'll i'll high point the I'm
gonna go way up above. So he kind of almost
like throws it as a pop up and it ends
up his elbow ends up against one of his linemen.
It was it was terrible. There was nothing about that
that made any sense whatsoever. And so again I just
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I don't know what the right answer is publicly because
it's not easy right now and this isn't the end.
But in all seriousness, I just think when you get
into some of the fundamental stuff that we should probably
compile them all the the the we've made a list.
We keep saying it, Yeah, posture was the one yesterday,
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feet and eyes and then a great posture at the top.
Like I mean, he's like, does somebody need to maybe
is it legal? I know you can't speak in his ear,
but maybe you can have somebody in the sidelines with
a bullhorn. Who's our quarterbacks coach Josh mc maby McCown
just as a bullhorn throughout as he starts his drop,
feet and eyes, feet and eyes, jaj just just to
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convince him or remind him. It's bizarre to me. It's
it's what did he tell us? The head coach? Often
it's more likely that organizations fail young quarterbacks than young
quarterbacks fail organizations. Well, I think I'm starting to get
a feel that we're we are failing him in force
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feeding him into the lineup at a time where it
right now, he just does not look like he's ready
to do it. And this is the problem with trying
to put a young quarterback on a contending team exactly.
That's the biggest less sasion, no question. You just think
about all the guys that have been reclamation projects, not
like the all timers that everybody wants to bring up,
you know, the Josh Allens and the Peyton Mannings and
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the people the struggling in the first year cliche. But
like Daniel Jones is a name. Sam Darnold is a name.
Guys that we've had, they got to play and make
a ton of mistakes in irrelevant football games. And that's
the biggest problem with JJ right now. Patriots guy a
year ago, did you mention? Did not? Drake May is
another great example. You get to just completely fail and
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screw up and worry about your feet and eyes and
your posture and your base balance ball and Brozmer and
no one's really worse for the wear because there's no expectations.
And that's the problem here is there were big expectations
they didn't shy away from those expectations. They didn't act
like they didn't have those expectations with who they signed.
And that's the problem. And I said it two weeks
ago when he was talking about three weeks ago when
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he was talking about his practices when he came back
and it was good to get on the grass and
all these things and fundamentals, base balanced body. It's like
Diane Keaton said it, I can't act and direct like
your mind is. You can't be thinking about all that
stuff when you're an NFL quarterback. I was thinking yesterday, well, no,
you can be, but then you should be on the
sidelines practicing. You're not ready to actually plain again, when
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you're a player trying to win a game, you can't
be thinking about all those things. It has to be
second nature what I started thinking about. And I know
we have to break for feeling here. We did the
big guessing, did the big takeout on quarterback training and
IMG Academy and the millions of dollars that kids pay
to become quarterbacks. They don't work on that stuff there,
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Like these quarterbacks have never been better trained. Right, It'd
be an interesting thing for Salisbury. They've never been more trained,
more practice more from the time they were fetuses. No,
well I would, I will grant though, is those in
that training nothing None of that prepares you for the
speed of the national football. That's true. I get that,
that's true. But a lot of the stuff that we're
talking about here again doesn't eliminate him from being a
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really good prospect, but makes him still sound like nothing
but a prospect? Right, who really doesn't If you got
to keep pounding away on these basics over and over,
you just say, well, then, man, you're doing this then
at the expense of the rest of the team. That's
a lot of professionals. And I know a few people
drop passes. They did, and that wasn't helpful. No, but
I don't think that was the story of the game,
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if I'm being honest about it, I just don't. I
don't even think it's close. All right, let's stay on schedule.
Adam Thielen, speaking of receivers, he is scheduled next. Chris Carter,
a former Vikings receiver, is scheduled at five. Before that,
we'll have Ben Lieber and Johnny Athletic as well. Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
At five o'clock we have an all time great Minnesota
Vikings receiver, former receiver Chris Carter on the program right now.
We have an all time great Minnesota Vikings receiver who's
still with the team, Adam Thielen, kind enough to join
us as well. I don't even know where to begin.
You know how this works. I mean, this town lives
and dies with games played by the Vikings more than
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any other team in this town. It's on a plane.
You've been around it long enough to know that it's
it's on a plane all of its own. So the
frustration is palpable. I don't know if you hear Booze,
if you heard them, or or wherever. There were certainly
some yesterday frustrated with the struggling nature of the passing game.
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So to the average rub out there who's concerned that
this season is kind of getting away from their favorite team,
what's your message?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think at the end
of the day, those same frustrations were right there with you.
Right Like, we put a lot of work and dedication,
and we've talked about on the show plenty of times.
Right like all the all the you know, workouts and
sacrifices and all the OTAs and training camp practices that
are not the most fun, right, Like, you're not playing
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a game every week at that time, you know, you
do that all for to have success from the season.
When you're not having that success, it's extremely frustrating. And
we understand the frustrations, right, We're right there with that
fan base. Obviously, I grew up a fan, so I've
even got a little extra you know, extra just motivation
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to have success in in this uniform. But yeah, so
we we we hear you. But at the end of
the day, for us, it's a week's week league. You
got to show up and you got to find a
way to get better as quickly as possible, uh, to
give yourself an opportunity to win win the game next week.
And and momentum, as we've talked about before, is huge, right,
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We're kind of momentum against us right now. We've had
a couple of rough weeks that haven't gone our way
and and we got to find a way to shift
that momentum and start kind of bringing that momentum back
on our side like it was after Detroit and find
a way to rattle a bunch of But it starts
with Wednesday's preparation and then obviously the game Sunday.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
It's there's obviously extra cruelty to you get the go
ahead touchdown and then they get the long kickoff return,
and it has to feel you know, I know, teams
are you know, trained to never celebrate too soon, but
to lose that way when you thought, probably on a
day where you know, you didn't play as a team
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all that great, too much of it, certainly offensively, there
was still the hope to steal it. Is it even
tougher to swallow when it's a game that ends the
way this one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Did, I think it is. Yeah, I think you know
is in this league, those those wins mean so much, right,
one win at that point the season can just give
you just so much more opportunity towards the end of
the year. So yeah, when it slips out of your hand,
when it's right there, when we fought back and like
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you said, we didn't play great the whole game and
come back and take the lead with fifty seconds left, yeah,
it's definitely tough. And I think that's where we all
go look at that tape and we say, man, and
like we can't wait until the last drive to go
have success and go put ourselves in a good position,
Like there's no reason why we can't do that same
thing we did in that drive, right, you know, converting
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third downs, fourth downs and sustaining drives, making great great
throws and rhythm and timing and guys getting open against
the same coverage of your face in the entire day.
So it's that little glimpse of like, man, it's not like,
it's not like we can't do it, and we're like
trying to find a way to like make it happen.
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It's like, no, it's happened. It's happened in the Detrade
game where we played contromentary football and did it in
all three phases and won a big game on the road.
Like those things are there, And I think that's what
makes the most prussuring is why are those things not
happening consistently? And I think we all individually feel that, Like,
you know, we all come out of those games and
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we all can't sleep at night. You know, we can
be coming on Monday morning, we all talk about manage
could sleep last night. I was thinking about this playoffs,
thinking about that play like wish I would have done
this I wish I would have done that better. We all,
you know, it's not easy for us as players, and
and is what helps you become successful in this league.
But you got to find a way to change that
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quickly and find that momentum.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, you know, people will well, you know, look back
on the last scoring drive where things went so well
and JJ looked more settled, and say, well, wait a minute,
why can't we run hurry up all the time. Maybe
in those situations the game is simplified, Maybe he doesn't
have as many things to call, or there aren't as
many choices, or it becomes a little easier for him
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to succeed. Coaches are asked that all the time about
well just keep going hurry up. You know, dude, do
that the whole game. I assume you tell us it's
not quite that simple. But is there something to be
gained from that? I mean, is there something about that
situation that can be capitalized on, Whether it is simplifying
or changing whatever reads decisions that JJ has to make
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at the line of scrimmage, or does that have nothing
to do with it. He just made more accurate throws.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I think there's I think there's two sides of it, right,
I think there is Yeah, there's there's truth and everything, right,
I think there is truth to say, yeah, there was
in all in all aspects, I think things were just
clicking a little faster. There was less thinking. There was
a little bit of pace in and out of the huddle.
Obviously not even getting in a huddle, so there was
a little just bit of pace to the energy. I
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also believe there a side of it is but we're
also earning first downs, which is kind of where where
we've struggled really all year is just giving us more plays.
You know, we got to get those first first downs
just to give us an opportunity to get more plays,
to allow us to have the opportunity to get explosives.
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And so I think, yeah, I think I think we
You always come out of games as an individual learning
something that you could use the next week to get better.
And I think as coaches they every week they kind
of grab stuff from the game that you do really
well and say, okay, we can we can build off
that and we can use that. Especially with a young quarterback,
right they don't know him very well. There's not there
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hasn't been a ton of games that they've been able
to evaluate to say, Okay, he's really good at this,
or or he's really you know, more comfortable doing this.
Like there we're all kind of learning together. What what
this twenty twenty five Minnesota offense is going to be
good at? And I think again, we'll we'll definitely take
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some things. And but you also, it doesn't make an
excuse for you know, we also got to execute better
when when we're not in hurry up. It's not realistic
to just go hurry up entire game. That's just not
how it works. So I think I think we'll be
able to use some of that to our advantage in
the future.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You've obviously been around a long time and so you've
you've worked with a lot of quarterbacks and a lot
of different personalities. Do you have any theories for when
the ball's going, you know, twenty yards over's head?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Is that a little bit of hyperventilation?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You know, Okay, I've just made three nots of good
plays and now I'm trying to be too perfect and
I'm still too jacked up? Or what do you think?
What's your best you know, opinion, educated opinion as a
guy who's around him and been around a lot of
quarterbacks to try to get a better handle on what's
happening when the ball's going wild for him.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, I think if you look at really any position
and you look at when guys are kind of in
the flow or not in the flow, I think it
all comes down to momentum, right, Like, like you make
a couple of good plays and like all of a sudden,
like you can't miss right because you're in this like
flow state because there's so much confidence and like you're
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feeling it, you're seeing it, and things are going well, right,
I think when you're getting those games, and I kind
of talked to a few guys today, it's like sometimes
you get in these games and like nothing's going right.
You know, like you maybe you maybe miss one here,
or or maybe a guy drops one here, and and
there's just like just's just it's you're almost like just
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trying to claw and dig and try to get out
of this hole, and you end up just digging your
hole even deeper. Uh. I've been there personally, where you
you make a couple of bad plays early you maybe
you drop ball or you ran run a bad route,
and and you feel like you're just trying to dig
out this hole and you press a little bit and
and you end up, you know, actually hurting yourself because
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you're like you're trying to do too much. Right. I'm
not saying that necessarily the case, but from my personal
experience of my own game that that definitely has been
the case in the past. So yeah, you just got
to find a way to just go back to the
simple things. And it's a lot easier said than done,
but just kind of go back to, Okay, my footwork,
my timing, my eyes, you know what, what is my
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read on this play? You know, that's that's really where
I've had experiences like you just go back to like, hey,
like I have a five step route here, I got
third outside, I got I gotta line up with my
left foot up, I gotta be a plus two splits.
Like you just go back to those little little details
and then you make a play boom. Now you make
another play boom. Now you're kind of in this back
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into this rhythm and momentum on your side.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well, I would assume too, human nature being what it
is that it is. If the quarterback is pressing because
he's got some accuracy issues, then I think receivers same way,
where Okay, I gotta make this catch. We got to
get one of those first sounds that you were talking about,
and it may be more likely that then, you know,
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you don't hold onto a ball. You had one that
I thought ordinarily you get. I didn't think it was
the easiest catch, but I thought it was a catch
you usually make. I know JJ had one. There were
several where I thought there were several drops in addition
to two accuracy issues. So can one thing actually compound
the other where whether you're a more veteran player or not,
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that everything seems, you know, almost magnified if an offense
is just not going very good.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I think that's kind of you know where we're
at in the season, where we're at in that game
that like there wasn't any room for air, Right, you
kind of set yourself up for that by the way
that you played in a game or the way that
the season is gone. You kind of set yourself up
for this kind of this spot where like there's there's
just minimal room for air. And does that mean that
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the season's over? Absolutely not. Does that mean the game's over? No,
But yeah, you're you're backed up against the wall, there's
there's not you know, one one little minute thing is amplified.
And that's not just in a game setting, but also
in a season. So yeah, I think that's but that's
not always a bad thing, right That that makes you
have to prepare a little bit harder, right because you
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know how every play could matter in the grand scheme
of things, and and that one play might dig you
out of that hole as a as an offense and
might and might create the kind of spark you need
to have. That last drive that we had, you know,
there was a couple I think plays in that drive
that you say, man, you know TJ runs a great
choice route and maybe had fifteen twenty our games like
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maybe that play right there just like allowed us to
go down and score. And you never know when that
play is going to be. So when you know that
and your backs against the wall, when you prepare, you're like,
you know, a little maybe a little extra communication on
a Wednesday to JJ or or him to us as
receivers that say, hey, I'm thinking this, you know, against
this coverage. And I think it's those things that you
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don't really think about until your backs up against the
wall and can really help propel you to have success
the next week and hopefully continuing forward.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You know, to this point, it seems as if McCarthy,
you know, the JJ saying all the right things before
games and after games, and he did take a lot
of accountability for his performance in this last game. But again,
as a veteran guy, there's always I think, got to
be the concern, particularly given the focus of the position
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of even a confident player or getting beaten down a
little bit, whether he's even acknowledging it publicly or not,
that there's a mental side to this game. Do you
worry about that at all with him? Do you sense
any of that? And is that something you ever would
talk to him about?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
You know, and even I would even take it further.
I think I think us as athletes to get to
this spot, you're extremely hard on yourself, right without any
media or fans, and and just like you said, the
attention on us as players, but more simply as quarterbacks,
we already put a lot of pressure on ourselves. You know,
(33:35):
Like I can't sleep last night because I'm thinking about
that player you're talking about, man, Like what could have
I done to make sure I make that player to
help him out. You know, it's it's that that pressure
you put on yourself that really ultimately drives you to
come back Wednesday and be more prepared and detailed. But
I will say about jaj is is he's he's the
guy that can handle it, right. That's why they draft
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him so high because of what they saw in college.
To be able to handle adversity, to be able to
play in big games, to be able to find a
way to be as best when his best is required.
And we see that we can day in day out
with him. Is he's got He's got a great mindset.
He's got a really unique ability to just kind of
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flush what's happened, to be able to refocus each week,
each each play. You know, Uh, if if he was
mentally weak, or if he couldn't handle this game and
how scrutinized that position and if he couldn't handle that,
he wouldn't have had that last drive he did uh
in the game. And so those are the those are
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the things that give you confidence and a guy and
and we, like I said, we feel that every single
day that his mentality, his attitude, his effort. He's also
a young guy, right, I think so, uh that also
is to his benefit because when you're young, you kind
of just show up and and you find a way
to get better, and and you don't really think about
the big picture. You just you just folk you just
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live in the moment. And that's a great, great trait to.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Have you stay in the division. Uh this so another
division game?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Do you do you like division games? I mean, do
you is there is there some is there a little
bit of extra juice? Obviously you got a lot on
the line. You guys got to start winning some games
no matter who you're playing. But generally speaking, you know
this division obviously very well. Is it a little Is
there a little extra juice for for that? You do
you revel in these games against other teams within the division,
especially the Packers and Bears?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Absolutely? I think I think you know, first of all,
every game is important this league. But then when you
play these division opponents and how much that means for
your opportunity to make the playoffs. Uh, you know, you
know that these games are even bigger than just a
normal regular season game. And then when you're playing a
division arrival, right, like, like no one in this state
likes the agreement Packers, and we feel that as players,
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even if you're not from the state of Minnesota, you
still feel that from the fans and you know the
sense of urgency that we're at in the season, and yeah,
it's exciting to be able to go on the road
and play a divisional opponent. It's a really good football team.
I think when you play in this league and you
know you're playing a good football team, you know you're
playing a really good defense, it kind of gives you
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a little extra motivation to go out there and prepare
it in a way that is different than than any
other week to that you're ready and locked in to
give your best effort to show show that you are
a team that can beat those teams and excited about
that opportunity to go back to work and do that.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Do you have a favorite road ballpark stadium that you
love playing in, whether it's the atmosphere or whatever that
you just that you love, you you think is a
cut above the rest of them.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, I mean I think I think you know, Lambo
is one of those that you just kind of the
history just kind of growing up and and even if
you're not from this rivalry from these states around here.
You still know about Lambeau Field, the history and and
all that's talked about, the foes, frozen tundra, like everybody
knows about Lambeau feel. I think it's a really special
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place to play and never never take that opportunity for granted.
For sure, you know, there's a couple of others. Seattle
I think is a really cool place to play. Just
the atmosphere, the energy of that stadium, kind of that
that twelfth Man. You know, it's it's a really unique
place to play in a unique environment. But yeah, I
think Green Bay is definitely one of those places that
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you look forward to play in every year, and this
week pretty cool. My family gets to enjoy it for
the first time. My kids have never been there, and
they get nice seek so.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Excited about that for them, that's outstanding. Well, the word
seems to be the rep I think the reputation that
Packers fans have when they're hosting Lambeau is slightly more
civil than Eagles fans, right, even though there's great hatred
obviously between the two fan bases. I say, most people
I've talked to Vikings fans who go say, yeah, there's
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some stuff that goes on, but it ain't exactly like
you got to worry about maybe you know, a shive
in the ribs like when you go to eat games.
So that probably is a little comforting too, even if
it's an enemy territory in Green.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Bay, that is for sure. Yeah, they're they're they're a
great fan base, obviously, very passionate and very competitive. My
my father in law is a die hard Packer fan,
so so I I get I understand a little bit
more of of what those Packer fans are really like
watching him watch games on Sundays every once in a while.
(38:25):
And uh, but yeah, no, it's it's they're a great
fan base obviously Midwest, Midwest people. Uh, for the most part,
they're they're they're they're really uh considerate fan bases, and
I think they really enjoy kind of showing off their
stadium and their atmosphere and and and welcoming the away fans.
But it is fun to be able to quiet them
down a little bit when when when things are going
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well and you're able to have successive success of that
place that not a lot of teams have. So that's
a that's a great challenge.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Thanks Adam, good luck against the packers will check next week.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Appreciate you all right, Thanks, good talking to you.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Adam feeling Viking's wide receiver very clearly disappointed with the
result again yesterday as the Vikings fall. Now a couple
games under the five hundred mark. Johnny Athletics going to
join at the top of the hour. Chris Carter speaking
of Vikings receivers is scheduled for five oh two today.
We'll have Nacho, shortened version of Nacho probably about oh
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four forty five for forty seven or so. We got
a lot of Vikings talking points that will include into
the mix as well. The brat Shawn Brian Cafe in
text line, you'll not be surprised to learn is hot
today at six four six eighty six. It tends to
work that way, more so after losses than after victories,
(39:43):
because everybody has the answer. I will say, I got
to get your reaction to this. Uh textra guy, This
is from Alan Plymouth. See what he believes that Feelin
has boxed us up unwittingly. Okay, I'm listening. Damn. Thelan
(40:04):
just nailed it. Listen to him speak about fundamentals and
that's what THELAN was talking about in terms of receivers,
the little you know, the little things you have to
do that you do have to Even if you're the technique,
a magnificent professional with a great career at wide receiver,
you still have to pay attention to techniques. So maybe
we're boxed. I don't know. I would say the frequency
(40:27):
with which we've had to listen to that sort of
word salad is not helpful, especially I think when it's
coupled with well, he's, you know, the toughest guy in
the world, and and he's a great leader. And as
I said, that all may end up being true, but
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you got to have more in the plate. You gotta
have more in the resume before you anoint yourself nine
or you go down several of those roads. I would say,
I will add quickly, by the way, do we have
I forgot my talking points list? Do we have a
talking point on the kickoff return that ultimately turned the game?
(41:13):
Did you do kind of that was the inn in
the angle, the ecstasy in the agony, the ecstasy in
the agony? How long is it?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Four?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
All right? Then maybe we'll hold onto it. What I
was going to say is you can put me firmly
in the category of a snarky one who does not
believe the Vikings screwed up not kicking the ball deep.
I had no problem with the decision. It was a
very good kickoff. It was to the far side in
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the corner. Yeah, to the one or two yard line.
And given the circumstances, it's easy to say, now, well, yeah,
well they're going to go to sixty five yard return.
Whatever it was, Yeah, just kicking the end zone. But
obviously we don't know that's what's going to happen. And
I would say again if Vike, if the Bears needed
a touchdown, I might accept that premise. The fact is
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they needed a field goal to win, not just to
tie the game, to win the game. I don't put
them at the thirty five. So ten out of ten
times I do exactly what the Vikings did. Now, obviously
it's got to be, you know, defended better problem. But
I was not in the group that said we screwed
up kick the ball deep, play defense because your defense
had played better. It looked like the the Bears were
(42:27):
reeling a little bit, looked like Caleb was frustrated a
little bit. But I would still ten out of ten
times I'm kicking the ball in that situation. I liked
what Koc said. I think today that our kickoff coverage
unit has been very good. Yes, they've been very good,
and honestly, they deserved an opportunity to go make that play.
And he said, a couple of they're always young guys.
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A couple of young guys got out of their lanes
a little bit, got over their skis. Well, probably wanted
to blow somebody up at the fifteen right and have
us Bank Stadium go crazy. And that's what allowed him
to just sneak out the right side and basically take
it sixty five yards. So that one didn't bother me either, because,
like you said, it's fifty seconds, which is an eternity.
Three timeouts, three timeouts. And we have another talking point
(43:11):
by Federated talking about Caleb Williams. You haven't gotten him
on the ground. You got him on the ground once
all day, Like he can eat up fifteen yards in
three seconds, right if he just drops back and runs.
So and even though their kicker had missed one from
I think forty four, it's really hard to count on
that again that we saw it, he almost missed it.
It was close. I almost up right there that there
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was something religious, because that ball was heading left and
it almost felt like Augusta Wynn pushed it back right.
I thought it was going to be no good again?
Or was it the skycam? Did it hit the skycam?
This time? It got sent went the other way? Was
there a skycam? Holerson's got to check the video get
in by much? I know it did not get in
by much. And it was like the other The other
one was wide left and it was headed in that
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direction as well. But all's well, that ends poorly. Well,
make this the top of the hour break. We'll get
Johnny Athletic on the Purple. We'll get Johnny Athletic on
the Wolves, who are indeed back in action tonight on
the fan correct against Dallas, against the Dallas Mavericks who've
got a new general manager. Well, actually I don't know
if they have an acting one. They got about seven
(44:16):
players I'm not exaggerating in street clothes, yeah, including street
clothes himself. Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis as Charles Barkley has
anointed him. Kyrie's out, Kyrie. It's Cooper Flagg's playing. Apparently
Cooper flag is playing point guard. Or at least they
were trying to play them at point guard as well.
So we'll get in all of that and who knows
what else with our guy Johnny Chris Carter in about
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an hour. Stay tuned,
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Are we playing nobody? Are we ever gonna beat a
team with a winning record? That's all I ask. We have.
Every one of our victories has come against teams with
losing records, and every one of our losses, I think
is against the team with a winning record. So sooner
or later, hopefully we you'd like to think we'll have
an opportunity to get that indeed done. But I digress.
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A lots of Vikings conversation today the post mortem is
in session. The therapy session is in session, however you
want to refer to it. Vikings talking points will be
part of the equation today. Monday regulars include Adam Feeling
at the bottom of the hour, John Athletic at four
oh two, and Ben Lieber at four forty seven. Addition
(01:31):
to the Monday lineup today is Chris Carter. He's going
to join at the five oh two today, scheduled for
a five two appearance. Kind of made his presence known
and felt via X in the wake of the Viking's
most recent setback and the Josh Freeman like performance from
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the young quarterback JJ, we have to call on the
young quarterback Young Quarterbacks was at the People Stadium. Yes,
he was there, so first hand, sitting next to Josh Dummel. Okay,
well yeah, and interviewed by Tatum Everett. Yeah, it was
a big day for CC. Was he cranky talking about
the quarterback during that interview? I don't, I didn't. The
only thing I heard from the interview is he said,
(02:15):
I love the Bears. I would not be in the
Hall of Fame if not for the Bears, is what
I saw on tone. It's pretty good. I don't know
what he had to say about JJ, Well, I'm going
to have to ask him the obvious question at some point,
how long would he last? JJ McCarthy this quarterback. I mean,
let's be fair. I think even Chris would acknowledge he
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wasn't always the most patient of wide receivers exactly when
the ball was forty feet in the air. Are you
old enough to remember the Josh Freeman game? Oh yeah, absolutely,
I remember watching me Cabo. I remember it like yesterday,
and I had I'm sorry, I had Josh Freeman flashbacks.
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We brought him in. He played one game for the Vikings.
It was a Monday nighter. It was October twenty two
of twenty thirteen, so more than to so that basically
more than twelve years ago, Dayline East, Rutherford, New Jersey,
and I think he was twenty for fifty three. We
slung the game, we just and we had Adrian Peterson,
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by the way, and I think he had like four carries.
If Koc had been the head the play call, he
probably won't have had two, and probably Freeman would have
thrown at sixty five games instead of the fifty three
that he did. Twenty for fifty three. He was awful.
I in my mind's eye, I thought there was one
pass that was so high it almost ended up in
the first row of the stands in East ruther YEP
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because I remember talking about it. It was crazy, and
that's what yesterday felt like. I mean, honestly, in terms
of wildness and in terms of overthrows especially. I'm thinking
Josh Freeman, I really am. And here's what's crazy. Before
you think I'm crazy for using this comparison. Josh Freeman's
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quarterback ratings that day Old fashion quarterback rating sixty five
to nine, QBR rating twenty four to two. JJ McCarthy
yesterday old Fashioned quarterback rating forty seven point seven and
New Fangled quarterback rating twenty two. So he was a
fact two points on the new system worse analytically than Freeman,
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who was absolutely hideous that night. And he's twenty two
point two points worse than Freeman when it comes to
the old fashion ratings. Here's the good news. By the way,
he is a good I think it's like I want
to say, in the overall ratings for the season quarterback
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ratings the old Fashion points system, I think he's like
sixty points ahead of Shador Sanders Our young quarterback is Yes,
that's the only one. He's ahead of a shador who
I think clocked in at a thirteen in limited action
for the Cleveland Browns yesterday. I'm really glad I will
say that, Yes, you're right. A Texter guy, Josh Freeman
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was the guy involved in the notorious phone presser with
Rick Spielman whispering the answers in his ear. He was
that's it. That's great recall on the part of that individual.
I'm glad I spent some time yesterday clarifying one point
because I've hammered endlessly the running issue for me being big.
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But I did say, in fairness regarding that issue, I
still think it's the best way to help a struggling
young quarterback, or struggling old quarterback, or a struggling journeyman quarterback,
including Josh Freeman. But I also cautioned and said yesterday,
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if your quarterback, no matter how much you love him,
in a given game, is as inaccurate as JJ McCarthy
has has been through much of his short tenure here,
it ain't gonna matter how many times you run it
or how effectively you run it. At some point, the
component of more accurate throwing is going to be part
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of the conversation and needs to be part of the conversation.
Trying to make the point that, yeah, I know people
think I'm a broken record on the running game. I
stand by all of it. But I think we saw
even witness yesterday because I think there was pretty good
commitment to the run, with a couple of exceptions. I
actually the irony is I actually thought Ben Johnson was
channeling too much Koc in a couple of key red
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zone situations for the Bears. YEP. That ended up playing
into the Vikings hands, and Koc actually ran a decent amount.
But what we were I think what was underscored again
yesterday is it doesn't matter how many times you run
or what else you do. If your quarterback is that inaccurate,
you don't you really don't have a chance to win
the game. As it turns out they did, because the
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Bears are still in some ways even in first place
in the division. The Bears, it is shocking to say that,
but it's true, and the accuracy issue in this game
might have been the worst worst that it has been
thus far in terms of how far off he was.
The lack of touch that he had the inability to throw.
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I think what Brady calls does he call the change
of pace the two ball? The two ball? The inability
to throw the two ball, the inability to put a
lark on it where you're throwing it on a string, which,
depending on the UH was certainly in the past two
Aaron Jones that made no sense. It was unwatchable at times.
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And I think what we're learning at this point is
that the the grand dream, which was, of course we're
going to do both, We're gonna usher in the new
era with JJ McCarthy and he's going to play good
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enough that we're going to be a factor this year.
We may not go to a super Bowl this year,
but we're going to be a playoff contender. We're gonna
be We're gonna do the impossible. We're not gonna take
when when what's the term for when you leave high
school and you decide to not immediately go to college,
you spend a year in Europe or something. What's the term?
(08:28):
They call that? The gap year? The gap year? Yeah,
I mean, we thought we could do it without a
gap year, and what we're finding out is we need
at least one gap year with JJ McCarthy. So again
you in an odd sort of way, it probably becomes
easier to play him. I think it does the worst
the record gets because then there's not as much at stake.
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And you say, we got to the training. We can't
put the training wheels back on them. We have to
keep the training wheels off and we have to suffer
through it and in the and we may pay for it.
With a with a wide receiver who's not been a
diva saying I don't know how much more of this
I can take. He may never say it that way,
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but his body language may indicate it. There may be
even other players who aren't going to proclaim it but
are going to end up being affected by it. It
sounds as if I read a couple of places that
the booze if you were in the building, were actually
a lot more obvious than on the TV broadcast, and
you could hear them on the TV broadcast, But I
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was told, were you there, no? A couple of people
had said A couple of people wrote that that basically
said out of Chicago basically said it. I don't know
it sounds on TV, but I think it's actually worse
in the building, and it was was the was the key,
the seminal moment, the just second and two false start
second and then it's excuse me, third and two. Yes,
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then it's a false start on Dari saw third and
seven and then the throat of the right sidelines to
Jay Yep. That was, like I said, that was Josh Freeman.
That was a Josh Freeman throw that he didn't even
try to go up for because he knew it. There's
no there's it's not even in the same area code.
It was. How high up? Would do you think that
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throw was over his head? Twenty feet thirty feet really
high feet. I'd love to see a Supports science breakdown
of it. Yeah, but that was and you'll hear that
in one of the talking points brought to you by
Federated Insurance. You will hear that play and you will
hear the crowd and yes, that was. It'll be picked
up the seminal moment. That was where you'll even hear
it from the announcers on the Vikings Entertainment Slash Audio
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network that what are we doing here? And that was
early third quarter. I don't I understand. It's a tough day.
It's a tough period for the mc bobos. But if
your best comeback is both quarterbacks were sixteen of thirty two,
I can't help you. I can't because we're not I'm
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certainly not here to applaud the performance of Caleb Williams.
Is he the Bear starter?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
He is?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
He wasn't brilliant at all. Did you hear what his
head coach said? You want to talk about a different
approach now? Again, he played all last year too. This
is his first year. Ben Johnson with Caleb Williams. We're
going to get to it later. It's fascinating contrast in
coaching styles because the Bears won the game. Their guy
actually did make a couple of plays enough because under
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pressure to scramble out of trouble, even though he was
not great and you'd have thought he'd have lost the game.
It was interesting. It's a different style. Our guy goes
one way, and when we come back, that's the other
thing we have to talk about. We've reached a point
that Koc needs an intervention not on running the ball,
because maybe he mastered that yesterday. He even acknowledged it,
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but on whether he's doing his quarterback and he favors
with some of the things he continues to discuss in
explaining his quarterback struggles. They may all be true, but
I'm not sure he should be saying that, saying them
out loud. We'll get to that when we come back,
and we will prepare for some Vikings talking points and
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a great guest lineup the rest of the way. Don't
go back.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Did you see the game?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right, we're back. We'll get to a lot of
the text a little bit later, kind of a guest
intensive program. Today. We got a lot of good Vikings
talking points as as well. I don't know, I mean,
the relationship between the Jackals and KOs is not at
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its high point right now. Anyway, there's a lot of
tension in the room. But I honestly believe, and this
sounds kind of hypocritical, because I'm the guy who always
wants people to talk and not shut up right and
give us, you know, give folks stuff to bounce off of,
whether it's coaches or players. But if the best you
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can come up with to explain the struggles of JJ
to this point is feet and eyes. Feet and eyes.
The thing that we saw throughout the week in the
practice field, making it about that when he has great
posture at the top of drops, he throws the ball
really well. It all feeds into the stuff a few
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weeks ago about the base and I honestly think, I
know he's well intentioned trying to protect his QB, but
I think comments like that talking about stuff so elementary,
all that results is I think alarm bells go off
in people's heads and they go, well, how long has
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he played quarterback? I get it he hasn't played at
this level very much, But you're acting like he just
started playing the position about you know, two and a
half years ago. What are we doing? Eyes and feet, posture,
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I mean, the whole thing. I don't. I honestly believe
he'd be better off making something else up that's more sophisticated,
or or not answer the question the same way, because
it really does come off that. Here's how I conclude
when I hear it. He shouldn't be playing yet. Not
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that he shouldn't be the guy eventually or have a
chance to be the guy. Not that he's not gonna
end up being a really good quarterback, but he might
be one of those guys who needs two years sitting
where he's involved in a lot more practices as well,
so he's healthy enough to be involved in practices, get
extra work or whatever. When you start talking about we
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got to repeat this stuff over and over again, things
like that, Like you said posture, bass, eyes and feet
it I mean the throw that got me. He threw
two picks, right, Yeah, there should have been a third one.
I actually think the end zone pick was a hell
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of a defensive play. It's still a mistake because you
already have three points and you lose three points. By
the way ended up being important. Could have been thrown
a little further. It was a really good defensive play,
and the first one was was worse the third one.
As somebody somebody wrote this, the the Bears were so
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eager to get another interception that two of them collided
going for the ball. They're like, they're so, you know,
like dizzy for possessed another pick. I want this one.
And on that play, if you watch him, he he
kind of has to move up a little in the pocket.
He doesn't have a lot of room, and he decides,
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here's what I'll do. I'll i'll high point the I'm
gonna go way up above. So he kind of almost
like throws it as a pop up and it ends
up his elbow ends up against one of his linemen.
It was it was terrible. There was nothing about that
that made any sense whatsoever. And so again I just
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I don't know what the right answer is publicly because
it's not easy right now and this isn't the end.
But in all seriousness, I just think when you get
into some of the fundamental stuff that we should probably
compile them all the the the we've made a list.
We keep saying it, Yeah, posture was the one yesterday,
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feet and eyes and then a great posture at the top.
Like I mean, he's like, does somebody need to maybe
is it legal? I know you can't speak in his ear,
but maybe you can have somebody in the sidelines with
a bullhorn. Who's our quarterbacks coach Josh mc maby McCown
just as a bullhorn throughout as he starts his drop,
feet and eyes, feet and eyes, jaj just just to
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convince him or remind him. It's bizarre to me. It's
it's what did he tell us? The head coach? Often
it's more likely that organizations fail young quarterbacks than young
quarterbacks fail organizations. Well, I think I'm starting to get
a feel that we're we are failing him in force
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feeding him into the lineup at a time where it
right now, he just does not look like he's ready
to do it. And this is the problem with trying
to put a young quarterback on a contending team exactly.
That's the biggest less sasion, no question. You just think
about all the guys that have been reclamation projects, not
like the all timers that everybody wants to bring up,
you know, the Josh Allens and the Peyton Mannings and
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the people the struggling in the first year cliche. But
like Daniel Jones is a name. Sam Darnold is a name.
Guys that we've had, they got to play and make
a ton of mistakes in irrelevant football games. And that's
the biggest problem with JJ right now. Patriots guy a
year ago, did you mention? Did not? Drake May is
another great example. You get to just completely fail and
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screw up and worry about your feet and eyes and
your posture and your base balance ball and Brozmer and
no one's really worse for the wear because there's no expectations.
And that's the problem here is there were big expectations
they didn't shy away from those expectations. They didn't act
like they didn't have those expectations with who they signed.
And that's the problem. And I said it two weeks
ago when he was talking about three weeks ago when
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he was talking about his practices when he came back
and it was good to get on the grass and
all these things and fundamentals, base balanced body. It's like
Diane Keaton said it, I can't act and direct like
your mind is. You can't be thinking about all that
stuff when you're an NFL quarterback. I was thinking yesterday, well, no,
you can be, but then you should be on the
sidelines practicing. You're not ready to actually plain again, when
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you're a player trying to win a game, you can't
be thinking about all those things. It has to be
second nature what I started thinking about. And I know
we have to break for feeling here. We did the
big guessing, did the big takeout on quarterback training and
IMG Academy and the millions of dollars that kids pay
to become quarterbacks. They don't work on that stuff there,
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Like these quarterbacks have never been better trained. Right, It'd
be an interesting thing for Salisbury. They've never been more trained,
more practice more from the time they were fetuses. No,
well I would, I will grant though, is those in
that training nothing None of that prepares you for the
speed of the national football. That's true. I get that,
that's true. But a lot of the stuff that we're
talking about here again doesn't eliminate him from being a
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really good prospect, but makes him still sound like nothing
but a prospect? Right, who really doesn't If you got
to keep pounding away on these basics over and over,
you just say, well, then, man, you're doing this then
at the expense of the rest of the team. That's
a lot of professionals. And I know a few people
drop passes. They did, and that wasn't helpful. No, but
I don't think that was the story of the game,
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if I'm being honest about it, I just don't. I
don't even think it's close. All right, let's stay on schedule.
Adam Thielen, speaking of receivers, he is scheduled next. Chris Carter,
a former Vikings receiver, is scheduled at five. Before that,
we'll have Ben Lieber and Johnny Athletic as well. Stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
At five o'clock we have an all time great Minnesota
Vikings receiver, former receiver Chris Carter on the program right now.
We have an all time great Minnesota Vikings receiver who's
still with the team, Adam Thielen, kind enough to join
us as well. I don't even know where to begin.
You know how this works. I mean, this town lives
and dies with games played by the Vikings more than
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any other team in this town. It's on a plane.
You've been around it long enough to know that it's
it's on a plane all of its own. So the
frustration is palpable. I don't know if you hear Booze,
if you heard them, or or wherever. There were certainly
some yesterday frustrated with the struggling nature of the passing game.
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So to the average rub out there who's concerned that
this season is kind of getting away from their favorite team,
what's your message?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think at the end
of the day, those same frustrations were right there with you.
Right Like, we put a lot of work and dedication,
and we've talked about on the show plenty of times.
Right like all the all the you know, workouts and
sacrifices and all the OTAs and training camp practices that
are not the most fun, right, Like, you're not playing
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a game every week at that time, you know, you
do that all for to have success from the season.
When you're not having that success, it's extremely frustrating. And
we understand the frustrations, right, We're right there with that
fan base. Obviously, I grew up a fan, so I've
even got a little extra you know, extra just motivation
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to have success in in this uniform. But yeah, so
we we we hear you. But at the end of
the day, for us, it's a week's week league. You
got to show up and you got to find a
way to get better as quickly as possible, uh, to
give yourself an opportunity to win win the game next week.
And and momentum, as we've talked about before, is huge, right,
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We're kind of momentum against us right now. We've had
a couple of rough weeks that haven't gone our way
and and we got to find a way to shift
that momentum and start kind of bringing that momentum back
on our side like it was after Detroit and find
a way to rattle a bunch of But it starts
with Wednesday's preparation and then obviously the game Sunday.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
It's there's obviously extra cruelty to you get the go
ahead touchdown and then they get the long kickoff return,
and it has to feel you know, I know, teams
are you know, trained to never celebrate too soon, but
to lose that way when you thought, probably on a
day where you know, you didn't play as a team
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all that great, too much of it, certainly offensively, there
was still the hope to steal it. Is it even
tougher to swallow when it's a game that ends the
way this one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Did, I think it is. Yeah, I think you know
is in this league, those those wins mean so much, right,
one win at that point the season can just give
you just so much more opportunity towards the end of
the year. So yeah, when it slips out of your hand,
when it's right there, when we fought back and like
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you said, we didn't play great the whole game and
come back and take the lead with fifty seconds left, yeah,
it's definitely tough. And I think that's where we all
go look at that tape and we say, man, and
like we can't wait until the last drive to go
have success and go put ourselves in a good position,
Like there's no reason why we can't do that same
thing we did in that drive, right, you know, converting
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third downs, fourth downs and sustaining drives, making great great
throws and rhythm and timing and guys getting open against
the same coverage of your face in the entire day.
So it's that little glimpse of like, man, it's not like,
it's not like we can't do it, and we're like
trying to find a way to like make it happen.
(24:32):
It's like, no, it's happened. It's happened in the Detrade
game where we played contromentary football and did it in
all three phases and won a big game on the road.
Like those things are there, And I think that's what
makes the most prussuring is why are those things not
happening consistently? And I think we all individually feel that, Like,
you know, we all come out of those games and
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we all can't sleep at night. You know, we can
be coming on Monday morning, we all talk about manage
could sleep last night. I was thinking about this playoffs,
thinking about that play like wish I would have done
this I wish I would have done that better. We all,
you know, it's not easy for us as players, and
and is what helps you become successful in this league.
But you got to find a way to change that
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quickly and find that momentum.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, you know, people will well, you know, look back
on the last scoring drive where things went so well
and JJ looked more settled, and say, well, wait a minute,
why can't we run hurry up all the time. Maybe
in those situations the game is simplified, Maybe he doesn't
have as many things to call, or there aren't as
many choices, or it becomes a little easier for him
(25:39):
to succeed. Coaches are asked that all the time about
well just keep going hurry up. You know, dude, do
that the whole game. I assume you tell us it's
not quite that simple. But is there something to be
gained from that? I mean, is there something about that
situation that can be capitalized on, Whether it is simplifying
or changing whatever reads decisions that JJ has to make
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at the line of scrimmage, or does that have nothing
to do with it. He just made more accurate throws.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I think there's I think there's two sides of it, right,
I think there is Yeah, there's there's truth and everything, right,
I think there is truth to say, yeah, there was
in all in all aspects, I think things were just
clicking a little faster. There was less thinking. There was
a little bit of pace in and out of the huddle.
Obviously not even getting in a huddle, so there was
a little just bit of pace to the energy. I
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also believe there a side of it is but we're
also earning first downs, which is kind of where where
we've struggled really all year is just giving us more plays.
You know, we got to get those first first downs
just to give us an opportunity to get more plays,
to allow us to have the opportunity to get explosives.
(26:50):
And so I think, yeah, I think I think we
You always come out of games as an individual learning
something that you could use the next week to get better.
And I think as coaches they every week they kind
of grab stuff from the game that you do really
well and say, okay, we can we can build off
that and we can use that. Especially with a young quarterback,
right they don't know him very well. There's not there
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hasn't been a ton of games that they've been able
to evaluate to say, Okay, he's really good at this,
or or he's really you know, more comfortable doing this.
Like there we're all kind of learning together. What what
this twenty twenty five Minnesota offense is going to be
good at? And I think again, we'll we'll definitely take
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some things. And but you also, it doesn't make an
excuse for you know, we also got to execute better
when when we're not in hurry up. It's not realistic
to just go hurry up entire game. That's just not
how it works. So I think I think we'll be
able to use some of that to our advantage in
the future.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
You've obviously been around a long time and so you've
you've worked with a lot of quarterbacks and a lot
of different personalities. Do you have any theories for when
the ball's going, you know, twenty yards over's head?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Is that a little bit of hyperventilation?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You know, Okay, I've just made three nots of good
plays and now I'm trying to be too perfect and
I'm still too jacked up? Or what do you think?
What's your best you know, opinion, educated opinion as a
guy who's around him and been around a lot of
quarterbacks to try to get a better handle on what's
happening when the ball's going wild for him.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well, I think if you look at really any position
and you look at when guys are kind of in
the flow or not in the flow, I think it
all comes down to momentum, right, Like, like you make
a couple of good plays and like all of a sudden,
like you can't miss right because you're in this like
flow state because there's so much confidence and like you're
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feeling it, you're seeing it, and things are going well, right,
I think when you're getting those games, and I kind
of talked to a few guys today, it's like sometimes
you get in these games and like nothing's going right.
You know, like you maybe you maybe miss one here,
or or maybe a guy drops one here, and and
there's just like just's just it's you're almost like just
(29:08):
trying to claw and dig and try to get out
of this hole, and you end up just digging your
hole even deeper. Uh. I've been there personally, where you
you make a couple of bad plays early you maybe
you drop ball or you ran run a bad route,
and and you feel like you're just trying to dig
out this hole and you press a little bit and
and you end up, you know, actually hurting yourself because
(29:29):
you're like you're trying to do too much. Right. I'm
not saying that necessarily the case, but from my personal
experience of my own game that that definitely has been
the case in the past. So yeah, you just got
to find a way to just go back to the
simple things. And it's a lot easier said than done,
but just kind of go back to, Okay, my footwork,
my timing, my eyes, you know what, what is my
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read on this play? You know, that's that's really where
I've had experiences like you just go back to like, hey,
like I have a five step route here, I got
third outside, I got I gotta line up with my
left foot up, I gotta be a plus two splits.
Like you just go back to those little little details
and then you make a play boom. Now you make
another play boom. Now you're kind of in this back
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into this rhythm and momentum on your side.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well, I would assume too, human nature being what it
is that it is. If the quarterback is pressing because
he's got some accuracy issues, then I think receivers same way,
where Okay, I gotta make this catch. We got to
get one of those first sounds that you were talking about,
and it may be more likely that then, you know,
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you don't hold onto a ball. You had one that
I thought ordinarily you get. I didn't think it was
the easiest catch, but I thought it was a catch
you usually make. I know JJ had one. There were
several where I thought there were several drops in addition
to two accuracy issues. So can one thing actually compound
the other where whether you're a more veteran player or not,
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that everything seems, you know, almost magnified if an offense
is just not going very good.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I think that's kind of you know where we're
at in the season, where we're at in that game
that like there wasn't any room for air, Right, you
kind of set yourself up for that by the way
that you played in a game or the way that
the season is gone. You kind of set yourself up
for this kind of this spot where like there's there's
just minimal room for air. And does that mean that
(31:24):
the season's over? Absolutely not. Does that mean the game's over? No,
But yeah, you're you're backed up against the wall, there's
there's not you know, one one little minute thing is amplified.
And that's not just in a game setting, but also
in a season. So yeah, I think that's but that's
not always a bad thing, right That that makes you
have to prepare a little bit harder, right because you
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know how every play could matter in the grand scheme
of things, and and that one play might dig you
out of that hole as a as an offense and
might and might create the kind of spark you need
to have. That last drive that we had, you know,
there was a couple I think plays in that drive
that you say, man, you know TJ runs a great
choice route and maybe had fifteen twenty our games like
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maybe that play right there just like allowed us to
go down and score. And you never know when that
play is going to be. So when you know that
and your backs against the wall, when you prepare, you're like,
you know, a little maybe a little extra communication on
a Wednesday to JJ or or him to us as
receivers that say, hey, I'm thinking this, you know, against
this coverage. And I think it's those things that you
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don't really think about until your backs up against the
wall and can really help propel you to have success
the next week and hopefully continuing forward.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You know, to this point, it seems as if McCarthy,
you know, the JJ saying all the right things before
games and after games, and he did take a lot
of accountability for his performance in this last game. But again,
as a veteran guy, there's always I think, got to
be the concern, particularly given the focus of the position
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of even a confident player or getting beaten down a
little bit, whether he's even acknowledging it publicly or not,
that there's a mental side to this game. Do you
worry about that at all with him? Do you sense
any of that? And is that something you ever would
talk to him about?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
You know, and even I would even take it further.
I think I think us as athletes to get to
this spot, you're extremely hard on yourself, right without any
media or fans, and and just like you said, the
attention on us as players, but more simply as quarterbacks,
we already put a lot of pressure on ourselves. You know,
(33:35):
Like I can't sleep last night because I'm thinking about
that player you're talking about, man, Like what could have
I done to make sure I make that player to
help him out. You know, it's it's that that pressure
you put on yourself that really ultimately drives you to
come back Wednesday and be more prepared and detailed. But
I will say about jaj is is he's he's the
guy that can handle it, right. That's why they draft
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him so high because of what they saw in college.
To be able to handle adversity, to be able to
play in big games, to be able to find a
way to be as best when his best is required.
And we see that we can day in day out
with him. Is he's got He's got a great mindset.
He's got a really unique ability to just kind of
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flush what's happened, to be able to refocus each week,
each each play. You know, Uh, if if he was
mentally weak, or if he couldn't handle this game and
how scrutinized that position and if he couldn't handle that,
he wouldn't have had that last drive he did uh
in the game. And so those are the those are
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the things that give you confidence and a guy and
and we, like I said, we feel that every single
day that his mentality, his attitude, his effort. He's also
a young guy, right, I think so, uh that also
is to his benefit because when you're young, you kind
of just show up and and you find a way
to get better, and and you don't really think about
the big picture. You just you just folk you just
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live in the moment. And that's a great, great trait to.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Have you stay in the division. Uh this so another
division game?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Do you do you like division games? I mean, do
you is there is there some is there a little
bit of extra juice? Obviously you got a lot on
the line. You guys got to start winning some games
no matter who you're playing. But generally speaking, you know
this division obviously very well. Is it a little Is
there a little extra juice for for that? You do
you revel in these games against other teams within the division,
especially the Packers and Bears?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Absolutely? I think I think you know, first of all,
every game is important this league. But then when you
play these division opponents and how much that means for
your opportunity to make the playoffs. Uh, you know, you
know that these games are even bigger than just a
normal regular season game. And then when you're playing a
division arrival, right, like, like no one in this state
likes the agreement Packers, and we feel that as players,
(35:50):
even if you're not from the state of Minnesota, you
still feel that from the fans and you know the
sense of urgency that we're at in the season, and yeah,
it's exciting to be able to go on the road
and play a divisional opponent. It's a really good football team.
I think when you play in this league and you
know you're playing a good football team, you know you're
playing a really good defense, it kind of gives you
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a little extra motivation to go out there and prepare
it in a way that is different than than any
other week to that you're ready and locked in to
give your best effort to show show that you are
a team that can beat those teams and excited about
that opportunity to go back to work and do that.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Do you have a favorite road ballpark stadium that you
love playing in, whether it's the atmosphere or whatever that
you just that you love, you you think is a
cut above the rest of them.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, I mean I think I think you know, Lambo
is one of those that you just kind of the
history just kind of growing up and and even if
you're not from this rivalry from these states around here.
You still know about Lambeau Field, the history and and
all that's talked about, the foes, frozen tundra, like everybody
knows about Lambeau feel. I think it's a really special
(37:04):
place to play and never never take that opportunity for granted.
For sure, you know, there's a couple of others. Seattle
I think is a really cool place to play. Just
the atmosphere, the energy of that stadium, kind of that
that twelfth Man. You know, it's it's a really unique
place to play in a unique environment. But yeah, I
think Green Bay is definitely one of those places that
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you look forward to play in every year, and this
week pretty cool. My family gets to enjoy it for
the first time. My kids have never been there, and
they get nice seek so.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Excited about that for them, that's outstanding. Well, the word
seems to be the rep I think the reputation that
Packers fans have when they're hosting Lambeau is slightly more
civil than Eagles fans, right, even though there's great hatred
obviously between the two fan bases. I say, most people
I've talked to Vikings fans who go say, yeah, there's
(37:54):
some stuff that goes on, but it ain't exactly like
you got to worry about maybe you know, a shive
in the ribs like when you go to eat games.
So that probably is a little comforting too, even if
it's an enemy territory in Green.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Bay, that is for sure. Yeah, they're they're they're a
great fan base, obviously, very passionate and very competitive. My
my father in law is a die hard Packer fan,
so so I I get I understand a little bit
more of of what those Packer fans are really like
watching him watch games on Sundays every once in a while.
(38:25):
And uh, but yeah, no, it's it's they're a great
fan base obviously Midwest, Midwest people. Uh, for the most part,
they're they're they're they're really uh considerate fan bases, and
I think they really enjoy kind of showing off their
stadium and their atmosphere and and and welcoming the away fans.
But it is fun to be able to quiet them
down a little bit when when when things are going
(38:46):
well and you're able to have successive success of that
place that not a lot of teams have. So that's
a that's a great challenge.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Thanks Adam, good luck against the packers will check next week.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Appreciate you all right, Thanks, good talking to you.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Adam feeling Viking's wide receiver very clearly disappointed with the
result again yesterday as the Vikings fall. Now a couple
games under the five hundred mark. Johnny Athletics going to
join at the top of the hour. Chris Carter speaking
of Vikings receivers is scheduled for five oh two today.
We'll have Nacho, shortened version of Nacho probably about oh
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four forty five for forty seven or so. We got
a lot of Vikings talking points that will include into
the mix as well. The brat Shawn Brian Cafe in
text line, you'll not be surprised to learn is hot
today at six four six eighty six. It tends to
work that way, more so after losses than after victories,
(39:43):
because everybody has the answer. I will say, I got
to get your reaction to this. Uh textra guy, This
is from Alan Plymouth. See what he believes that Feelin
has boxed us up unwittingly. Okay, I'm listening. Damn. Thelan
(40:04):
just nailed it. Listen to him speak about fundamentals and
that's what THELAN was talking about in terms of receivers,
the little you know, the little things you have to
do that you do have to Even if you're the technique,
a magnificent professional with a great career at wide receiver,
you still have to pay attention to techniques. So maybe
we're boxed. I don't know. I would say the frequency
(40:27):
with which we've had to listen to that sort of
word salad is not helpful, especially I think when it's
coupled with well, he's, you know, the toughest guy in
the world, and and he's a great leader. And as
I said, that all may end up being true, but
(40:49):
you got to have more in the plate. You gotta
have more in the resume before you anoint yourself nine
or you go down several of those roads. I would say,
I will add quickly, by the way, do we have
I forgot my talking points list? Do we have a
talking point on the kickoff return that ultimately turned the game?
(41:13):
Did you do kind of that was the inn in
the angle, the ecstasy in the agony, the ecstasy in
the agony? How long is it?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Four?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
All right? Then maybe we'll hold onto it. What I
was going to say is you can put me firmly
in the category of a snarky one who does not
believe the Vikings screwed up not kicking the ball deep.
I had no problem with the decision. It was a
very good kickoff. It was to the far side in
(41:42):
the corner. Yeah, to the one or two yard line.
And given the circumstances, it's easy to say, now, well, yeah,
well they're going to go to sixty five yard return.
Whatever it was, Yeah, just kicking the end zone. But
obviously we don't know that's what's going to happen. And
I would say again if Vike, if the Bears needed
a touchdown, I might accept that premise. The fact is
(42:05):
they needed a field goal to win, not just to
tie the game, to win the game. I don't put
them at the thirty five. So ten out of ten
times I do exactly what the Vikings did. Now, obviously
it's got to be, you know, defended better problem. But
I was not in the group that said we screwed
up kick the ball deep, play defense because your defense
had played better. It looked like the the Bears were
(42:27):
reeling a little bit, looked like Caleb was frustrated a
little bit. But I would still ten out of ten
times I'm kicking the ball in that situation. I liked
what Koc said. I think today that our kickoff coverage
unit has been very good. Yes, they've been very good,
and honestly, they deserved an opportunity to go make that play.
And he said, a couple of they're always young guys.
(42:50):
A couple of young guys got out of their lanes
a little bit, got over their skis. Well, probably wanted
to blow somebody up at the fifteen right and have
us Bank Stadium go crazy. And that's what allowed him
to just sneak out the right side and basically take
it sixty five yards. So that one didn't bother me either, because,
like you said, it's fifty seconds, which is an eternity.
Three timeouts, three timeouts. And we have another talking point
(43:11):
by Federated talking about Caleb Williams. You haven't gotten him
on the ground. You got him on the ground once
all day, Like he can eat up fifteen yards in
three seconds, right if he just drops back and runs.
So and even though their kicker had missed one from
I think forty four, it's really hard to count on
that again that we saw it, he almost missed it.
It was close. I almost up right there that there
(43:33):
was something religious, because that ball was heading left and
it almost felt like Augusta Wynn pushed it back right.
I thought it was going to be no good again?
Or was it the skycam? Did it hit the skycam?
This time? It got sent went the other way? Was
there a skycam? Holerson's got to check the video get
in by much? I know it did not get in
by much. And it was like the other The other
one was wide left and it was headed in that
(43:55):
direction as well. But all's well, that ends poorly. Well,
make this the top of the hour break. We'll get
Johnny Athletic on the Purple. We'll get Johnny Athletic on
the Wolves, who are indeed back in action tonight on
the fan correct against Dallas, against the Dallas Mavericks who've
got a new general manager. Well, actually I don't know
if they have an acting one. They got about seven
(44:16):
players I'm not exaggerating in street clothes, yeah, including street
clothes himself. Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis as Charles Barkley has
anointed him. Kyrie's out, Kyrie. It's Cooper Flagg's playing. Apparently
Cooper flag is playing point guard. Or at least they
were trying to play them at point guard as well.
So we'll get in all of that and who knows
what else with our guy Johnny Chris Carter in about
(44:37):
an hour. Stay tuned,
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