November 6, 2025 • 43 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show concerned that too many former players still don't a crucial issue when it comes to the Ja Morant situation in Memphis. Dan also discusses his boredom with JJ McCarthy's self-described alter ego.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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we call it calm before the snow Nami? Might be
Thursday afternoon here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis Saint Paul.
I don't think it's gonna get that bad this week.
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And maybe some sleet, but I don't think any measurable
snow yet.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Now we're back in the fifties next week. Who to
funk it? You excited about fifties? I am for this
time of year. I take it as long as we
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
My name is Dan Barrero from Ringstaint Retch newspaper of
the Twin Cities. We're delighted you were along for the
three hour tour. Today we are out at six Thursday
regular Sean Salisbury Guards, he tells me, is not available
to us today, so he gets the week off, or
at least today off.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I maybe we can negotiate on tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But in his stead, Guardy's guy alec Lewis from the
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It's all over the Paul Allen project, especially on the
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Is what time? Four oh two? Four oh two? That's
unusual for him? It is he's road but not in Carolina.
Oh is it?
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Is it something he'll be able to disclose?
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I don't know.
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Is it a scoop in make in the making so
that he can't talk about it until he I don't know.
It's an odd town for him to be in. Okay,
that's all I am comfortable saying. Is right now outside
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What is wrong with this picture? And you're saying to
yourself with that you're gonna have You're gonna have to
narrow it down. There's a lot of things that are
wrong about a lot of pictures these days. But what
preytell picture are you referring to? Well, it's it's a
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comment that got my attention. Do you remember DeMarcus Cousins
very well, a guy who I wanted us to draft,
even with his baggage. Yes, who did we take instead
of him? We took a safer players. Johnson, you're exactly right.
And Cousins it was a challenge. He was going to
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be a challenge, but I said, that's why you pay
your coaches the big bucks. And he was extremely talented
player who had He had his high moments in the NBA, right,
he wasn't a consistent star in the league, I think
it's fair to say, and he did. He was exasperating.
Many coaches were frustrated by him and his approach. Don't
remember a lot of winning teams that he played for
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that's true, that made deep runs. There was always the
question of, well, if you want to run a running offense,
good luck, because DeMarcus Cousins will be bringing up the rear.
He's not going to be a part of that. But
a comment he made some of you may be aware.
In fact, there are probably some very intrigued Timberwolves fans
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who are watching from afar the John Morant crisis play
out in Memphis, Tennessee. Yeah, he he was suspended for
one game. I believe did they go with the conduct
detrimental to the team. I don't remember what it was exactly, probably,
but it was a battle between who and the head
coach and seemed to be some pretty good video out
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of evidence offered up that in the previous game Morant
stopped playing that it was very clear that he's mad
about something, mad about the way he's being used, mad
about the coach, who knows, who knows what with with
with job. Morant and Cousins was on a well I
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guess this technically isn't really a podcast. This is something
called are you familiar with Run It Back?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
TV? Yes? Run it Oh you are?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I mean I've seen clips from it before Okay, yeah,
run it back TV?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
What do you is it cover? Does it cover all sports?
Is that? I don't know?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, but it's a regular show, I guess, okay, I
mean I've seen it online and so run It back TV?
And he ran it back regarding the he and whoever
else he was on with the Ja Morant crisis or saga,
however you want to describe it, and he, like many
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are saying that no matter what, Memphis is saying publicly
that we want to stay invested in our two really
good players and build around them. That it's inevitable that
they're going to at some point have to cut their
losses and make the best deal available for John Morant,
who will elicit and attract interest because he's a very
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talented individual, very explosive player, and there'll be that belief,
that arrogance that we can connect with them. We know
what we're doing, we know how to get the best
out of that kind of player. And by the way,
they're a Minnesota semperbrals fans who said, oh yeah, why
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I talk about an explosive backcourt that would be it
Anthony Edwards and John Morant, Are you kidding me? But
we'll get to that part of it a little later,
or perhaps even another day. What fascinated me was the
specific comment by DeMarcus Cousins. It's time to move on.
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He says, the ship has sailed. I think the Grizzlies
have made their decision on who they're siding with when
they decided to suspend John Moran. Obviously they're siding with
the coaching staff. He goes on to say, this was
a coaching staff that was brought in with a militant
style of coaching. Doesn't blend well with everybody, doesn't blend
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well with modern day basketball. That's something that's you know,
embraced overseas in the European League. They like the military
style because they also lack talent where we don't. So
they have to be more fundamental. Let me repeat that sentence.
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So they have to be more fundamental. They have to
be well coached to cover up in those other areas.
So this style of coaching combined with his modern day
basketball as a recipe for disaster, and they've shown it.
By the way, I can't even pronounce the name of
the Memphis coach. Yeah, who replaced the guy had been
there for a while Taylor Jenks Taylor Jenkins.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Who a lot of people I don't know if.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You ever want to coach the Year Award, but a
lot of people thought he was a damn good coach.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
They had a good thing going. They knocked us out
of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And I don't know who was responsible for, you know,
them making that move, whether it was the players of Quiton,
Taylor Jenkins, or whatever the case may be. I'm not
here to necessarily defend this particular coach. Let's call him
frank Iola's brother Thomas, because it's looks like, okay, he's Scandinavian?
Is he? He thought he was Scandinavian could be whatever
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the moral of the story when I say what's wrong
with this picture?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is there any chance and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Who else was on the on the show with with cousins,
if was there any chance that anybody could have played
Devil's advocate with him? Maybe somebody did and I don't
know it. And say, DeMarcus, you know we beating a
little too dismissive of the European approach.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Cheat. How far back do we have to.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Go in National Basketball Association history to find an MVP
who didn't come from either Europe or overseas and played.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Many of them played in the.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
System that he seems to malign, that he seems to
look down upon and condemn. The dirty little secret de
Marcus is that the best American players I can name
a few if you'd like, well, start with Michael Jordan.
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We're not only talented, but astonishingly fundamental in the way
they played. That was the lethal combination that made Jordan
the best player in the history of the world. He
had ridiculous explosiveness, but he covered all the bases, footwork,
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extraordinary right, knew how to move without the ball, the
whole bit. So if the cousin's mentality is one that
a lot of former players abide by and agree with,
they need to take a long, hard look at themselves
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and consider the possibility that what he is maligning as
somehow deficient or unnecessary is exactly what you could say
au basketball in the United States of America needs more of.
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Now am I saying when when he says militaristic? What's
he suggesting like that the coach is spanking players with
a ruler or a yardstick. You don't know what that
means exactly? I'm not here to say that players can
be abused. But it's so clueless a position to not
understand as he's saying it. What he's acknowledging. We don't
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have to be fundamentally sound. Apparently American players don't have
to be as fundamentally sound well if to get the
best out of what they offer from a team standpoint, Hell,
yes they do. That's part of what's missing and part
of what's attracted. Quite frankly, the NBA to players around
the world is exactly what he's demeaning.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Correct. It's growing up in a system that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Just say, ah, he'll make up his lack of fundament metals.
He'll make up because he's so blessed athletically speaking.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh we lost a game at one, that's okay, we
got one at.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Three, exactly, That's exactly it. It's just you know, and again,
maybe somebody did push back on a lot of these shows.
There isn't any of that, I don't think so. I'd
be stunned if there was.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
But in all.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Honesty, come on, I'm hoping that that's a minority position
among former players, and to hide behind that as because
in a sense he's he's leaving out the John Moran
resume off the court. He's conveniently forgetting all of that
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stuff that's part of the story. It cannot be removed
from the story. And lately, if it's been less of that,
it's been he just hasn't been available as much.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
He's been injured a decent amount, right.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And God bless who was a couple of the guys
in the NBC booth or an NBC slash peacock who
took him apart Morant and said, I don't know what's
going on there, but I'll just tell you was who's
the big man who used to be with the Clippers,
who's in all the commercials now Griffin And Griffin said,
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you know, we're showing him on video here where he's
passing the ball and then he's just sort of sitting
in the corner. A couple other plays in the other
end where he was just completely out of the defensive alignment.
He wasn't really doing much of anything, almost just waiting
for the ball to go back the other way. And
to his credit, he said, I don't know what's going
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on there. He may think he's being wrong. He's supposed
to be one of the leaders of the team, and
that doesn't play or shouldn't play in NBA locker rooms.
I thought it was impressive. In fact, I think it's
a little bit of an example of the NBC approach.
I don't know if it's because of the individuals or
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everybody's taking a long, hard look at anything everything. There's
not the automatic I've got to scratch the itch that
says the player is always right. I think there's a
lot of that on ESPN, and I think here it was, well, yeah,
sometimes the player might be right, but there may be
occasions where.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
We can't leave out.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
You're being paid to play in a game and you're
not there that night. Whatever you think you're doing, you're
doing yourself a disservice, and you're doing your team a disservice.
And you're doing the young players. Because he's young, but
not as young as many of them. He's been around
long enough where he's supposed to be one of the
leaders of the club. So again, you know, we can
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pound ourselves into submission about well, it's a different age
and the militaristic.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Stuff has to stop.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But to me, he's using a term to make it
seem more negative than it is because demanding fundamental work
and a fundamental approach from players to fit into a team,
not just be an individual. Ain't nothing militaristic about that
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at all. It's too easy to I'm going to use
that term because it scares people like players are having
to deal with corporal punishment or something that's very different
than what we're talking about here, which is if indeed
it's considered militaristic to demand and insist upon young players
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giving themselves the best chance to succeed, even if they
have great talent, by also being fundamentally sound, then we're doomed.
Then this game is doomed. So I'm going to hope
the cousin's position is a minority position the next time
we have Remind me, the next time we have Tom
crean on this is a perfect topic for him. It's
a perfect subject for him to delve into because he
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pays attention to basketball everywhere. He's plugged in, not just
here but around the world. He understands what some of
those differences are, and I think it would I'd be
very curious to see what he has to say. By
the way, somebody said Lou Williams was on the podcast,
and he did push back, okay, and that he said
John Morant owe is the fan more than what he
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was giving on the court.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So that's encouraging to hear.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Maybe maybe this is an age thing, but Cousins isn't
twenty two anymore either, So I don't know. But to
your point about is it a minority position, I don't
think so. I really don't think that it worries me. Yes,
but I think we've seen it. I just look at
the last ten or fifteen years. The players all have
the power right in the NBA. Yes, that's completely shifted.
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It started fifteen years ago. We're in the play not
even close empowerment era, with maybe Miami as an exception
and San Antonio as an exception. Those might be the
only two I would say even there it is, there's
been slippage. Well, I would say, Jimmy Butler's playing in
Golden State exactly after just checking out exactly right right,
even they gave up, Even they a heat culture could
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not withstand the Jimmy Butler era. But I do think
that's the Well, what are they going to do to me?
I'm John Morant You know five years ago we were
a two seed I was an MVP candidate, I could
stay with a straight face.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I'm good with the West.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't need to worry about anybody in the West
because we're good there, which was idiotic at the time,
but yes, it's unfortunately, I think it is a prevalent
thought for current players former players that worries me. I mean,
even look at the recluselessness of that comment. It's just
I know, what do you I mean, what are you doing?
What are you thinking about? Because that comes you know
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what that's about. I reflexively always have to defend the player,
and again I have too, we have sometimes. I'm not
saying coaches are are bulletproof when it comes to criticism,
but it's just.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Too easy to turn it into that.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And as I said, I the sense I've had about
and this may be too early to any grand conclusions
about NBC and Prime, but their shows feel different now.
Maybe for me, some of it is they're just they're
more attractive, just because they're not the same old faces
in many cases, and so there's a newness to it
and that maybe I'll reach a point where I'll get
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tired of them too. I don't know, but it feels
different in that regard. It feels a little more mature,
good in what I'm hearing. A couple of people are
texting on this. Can we acknowledge the Prime Basketball Crew
has added a much needed technical breakdown in NBA coverage
that other leagues have been doing for over a decade.
It just makes basketball more interesting to a casual viewer
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like myself. This is from Atari bigbe Guy as well.
Prime and NBC getting NBA has been the best thing
to happen to hoops talking over a decade. I've learned
more listening to Blake and Dirk as in Novitski over
two weeks, and I have listening to Steven a in
two decades, and I don't think they're too technical. The
other guy heard, which one is nat Steve nash On,
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He's on one of them.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think he's studio war shows.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
At least I heard him being interviewed, not on you know,
the set, but interviewed previewing, and I was I was
fascinated by it. He was very interesting. He had angles
that we just don't hear all that much.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And again, you don't have.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
To be hardcore to to be a hardcore basketball fan.
I think to enjoy some of those observations and some
of those opinions that just seem less conditioned to here's
what you have to do over the next seven minutes.
Somebody is going to have to say something preposterous if
the Pacers lose tonight, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Exactly it? And then the rest of you can debate it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
If one person says something stupid, then the rest which
is kind of wasted energy because we already have I mean,
Charles Barkley already is good about the Molotov cocktail approach,
and we enjoy that because it seems more authentic to them.
But I'm connecting two things that may not be, but
I think they are a little bit in that. I just,
like I said, Blake Griffin, it just came off so adult.
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It wasn't like there was venom in his voice. It wasn't,
you know, like he was savaging morant, but he was
almost like bewilderment, like, I don't somebody's got to explain
this to me.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
This doesn't add up. This isn't you know.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I've been in locker rooms, I've been around teams, and
I just I hope there's more of that thinking among
players as opposed to the DeMarcus Cousin's approach, because I
think there's there's something there and the idea we'll look
it up.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Here. Is it the.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Last seven I think it's the last seven most Valuable
Player Awards have been won probably by non Americans, right,
pretty sure? Now, some of that's you know, they got
great talent. They're unusually players, but many of them have
come up in different systems, have they? Not very much
so that everybody talks about We've talked about this with
with with Tim Conley, that they've even tried. They're trying
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in the in the work he does with some of
the organizations he's attached to to try to nurture and encourage.
I don't know, do you call it the academy approach.
I don't know there's a name for it. Yeah, that
people are using to try to incorporate a little bit
more of that and to say, no, there's some stuff
we can do. The old war we invented basketball, we
were we have to explain ourselves to anybody. You can
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go with that, But at some point you say, well,
let's look around a little bit and what is the
ongoing frustration that a lot of coaches talk about and
what do the MVP awards seem to indicate. Well, this
last year it was Shay Gilges, Alexander Yep, Joker the
year before that, Embiid in twenty twenty three, Joker in
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twenty two, Joker in twenty one, Greek freaking twenty Greek
freaking nineteen. James Harden is the last US born MVP.
Correct makes sense? Yeah, that's two thousand and eight. It's
a long time ago, A long time ago. Now, that
doesn't mean Jimmy Butler was on the Timberwolves that year.
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That's how long ago that one. Come on, they played
MVP James Harden in the first run of the playoffs.
That's how long ago it was since an American born
player won the Most Valuable Player award. We should American
basketball should be insulted by that. They should be, but
they should take that personally, say sports in general, what
are we doing?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
What?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
What? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
We're gonna fall back on because well, yeah, they you know,
over there, they're not really that talented, so they got
to worry about fundamentals.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Over here, we'd have to worry about fundamentals. Why would
that ever matter, why would that ever be.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Important winning losing team In all honesty that it wouldn't
help John Morant if he was more consistent in a
fundamental sense, as gifted and explosive a player as he is,
a guy who was fearless, and that was a very it's.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
A very attractive feature in him.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And by the way, for the record, I don't know
if you've talked about this on air, and we can
get into it again more later. I want part of them,
and I say that I hate saying it because there's
a I do have a sense that this might be
a year where Conley considers doing something drastic again, I know,
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but I'm not sure. I'm not even sure that that's
a good fit, to be honest with you, with with
Anthony Edwards giving me how much he kind of needs
the ball, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I don't feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I don't feel good even though it's it's not unprecedented.
I mean, look at I mean, Butler is the best
example he ends up. I mean, Golden State's one of
the most winning organizations, mature you could say, organizations in
some ways out there, and they said we'll take a
shot at him. Well, even if we know his history
and how it ends up going. But I would be
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very wary of not even knowing what we'd have to
give up to get John Moran in this mix.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I thought about it for a long time. Yesterday when
it was reported that the Wolves were monitoring the situation, which,
by the way, they're all monitoring the situation, right, everybody
is like that, that's the term, so people go crazy.
I have that tweet sens me like seven times behind
my wolves buddies, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Are we monitoring? Yeah? They should be. What else is
Tim Conley doing? Right, I'm sure he's not.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's what he should If Conley had an x account,
that's what he should tweet out. Yeah, just for the record,
we are not monitoring. Yeah, we don't, you know, because
it's so obvious they all have to monitor. Of course
they do, right, because that move wherever he goes, that
might create some type of domino or whatever. So I
thought about it for a while because he is jo
rant and but that's part of the reason. That's probably though,
why Cousins says what he says, because it is John Morant,
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because there's nothing like talent. How many times have you
talked about that? And he's got that in spades. He
has no question. When he's going, he's going. And we
saw that firsthand whatever year that was in the first
round of the playoffs. But the more I thought about it, yeah,
I said, do we want Aunt with him? Because Aunt
still needs to be let along what he does, like
Curry is fine if Jimmy Butler does something crazy. Curry's
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played with Draymond for two exactly right, there's nothing he
hasn't seen it all. He's going to figure all that out.
Steve Kurr the same deal. A cold cocking in tractice,
a punch to the face, exactly Yeah, he's still this guy.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And also it's blowing up the team yet again, which
I'm not completely because you have to give up Brandle
or Nas to make the money work one of those two.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And yeah, so I probably thought about it more than
I should have, but I came to the same conclusion
you did.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
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The Minnesota sports calendar of calamity.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Many of you may know this by now, twenty five
years ago. Tonight twenty five years ago, so November six
of two thousand, one of the most painful regular season finishes,
one of the most freakish of Minnesota Vikings finishes, took place.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Was it Monday Night Football? It was definitely Niking.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
It was yeah, and it was in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Al Michaels, Dan Fowl, Dennis Miller, Yeah, along with Melissa
Stark and Eric Dickerson, apparently with the sideline reporters on
the ABC TV coverage a game the Vikings lose in
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overtime twenty six to twenty. I remember it like yesterday,
me too. Do you remember it well so you remember
exactly where I was watching it. Let's listen to the
game winning play. It'll bring back a lot of memories.
If you haven't figured it out already, Let's start.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Lays it up for Freeman and it's incomplete et or
did he.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Make the carts at the fiftheen what.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Are they get a round?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Did he cut it? Cutsack?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
He did what? Reckless?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Right on? I hope oh.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Man Man not a dish but not an accepted Well,
the pickers are going wild.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
The crowd's going.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Wild, and I imagine there's nothing to challenge. But they'll
have to look at it upstairs. Handtack, well, he's lamping.
But let's see what it shows in the replay. It
never hit the ground. It hit the back.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Of Antonio Freeman. Who are you going to bring the
ball up in the air and look off the ground.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
What unbelievable awareness of where the ball is on his
running way on his pae co a touch bag.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Once again, we are reviewing the play on the field.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Ball went through Dishman's hands the ground. Well, they're trying
to bring the teams back onto the field if they
overturn it, but I haven't seen anything overturn it yet.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Now it's just a great flooky play for the pack
Tennis Montain.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Handtack hadn't even gotten over to the and then there's
no hot attack. Dishman didn't even tidy up forwards.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He just assumed that it hit the ground, rolling.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
On the field, stands touchdown.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Pretty good call by the guys on the field. They
got it, right, I mean, that was impossible. It was
uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It was Chris Dishman who was celebrating what looked to
be an incomplete pass. Meanwhile, Antonio Freeman finds the ball
on his body basically, hey, here's the ball, and then
kind of turns keeps it, you know, keeps his body
between the ball and the ground, and then saunters in.
(28:36):
It was ay ended up being a forty three yard
touchdown pass. Farv was the quarterback who threw it, and
that was the game winning drive. You know. T now
the Vikings did have. That was an eleven and five season, right,
That was an NFC title game. That was forty one
donuts season. Yes, so we had a really good regular
season despite that game.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But it was yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I mean, as I recall, a lot of the conversation
was hammering Dishman for celebration, and you know that never
stops happening.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I was watching a bit of Who the Bears play?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Who'd they just come back and beat the Bengals and
I don't know who the defensive lineman was, but he
sacks the quarterback and starts celebrating, not noticing that the
ball has escaped the quarterback. Yeah, he's he's actually has
his back turned.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
To the play.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
So it it's some guys never get it. I mean,
the dufus factor is undefeated in that regard. This is
the defensive equivalent to the offensive player dropping the ball
right before they crossed the goal line, which still happens.
It happened this season somewhere in the NFL. Yeah, I
remember this one. Now. Imagine being so two thousand little guards,
having an eighteen year old high school senior. This is
(29:56):
my senior year, height of the rubidity. I'm coming off
of the ninth eight season and heartbreak, and imagine watching that,
waiting all day for Monday night football, watching that game
in your living room, and then having to go to
bed after that at the height of it. Like, I
don't think I slept that night because I just said,
how did that?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
As how? Michael says he did?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
What?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, And it's so a great call he was. He
nailed it. He nailed it. He's out Michaels. What really
just bothered me? Was the dishman part of it, where
first of all, the ball should have been picked off,
he should have intercepted it in the first place, bring
in the you know, hit your hand, man, hit your hand,
catch it, and then to immediately start celebrating, almost like
(30:39):
your Bears guy before the Hail Mary last year, and
not realizing the situation, and obviously you don't think that
that is ever going to happen to you, But just
stay in the play for one second longer you tap
him down, and then who knows what happens if he
catches it. They still probably kick a field goal, they
still might win, and all of that, but I just
remember being so annoyed by that, by the dishman part
(31:00):
of it. We started that season seven to zero and
then we got killed at Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay forty
one to thirteen, and then we were in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So we win that game.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
We would have been eight and one as it was,
we were seven and two, but we still ended up
running away with the division end but didn't get the
eleven five. No, and I don't know if this mattered
because we did. I forgot this. We were eleven and
two and lost our last three. Yeah, it cost us
to number one. And that was back when we were
(31:33):
so desperate for defensive backs that we were asking receivers, hey,
you want to come over and be defensive backs. I mean,
that was an infamous period for that where we had
no answers. And so, yeah, we lost on December tenth
to the Rams forty to twenty nine at.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The TWA Dome.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
We lost the rematch to the Packers thirty three to
twenty eight at the Dome, and then we lost our
final game of the season with the Coles thirty one ten. Now,
I don't know what, if anything, was at stake at
that point. Maybe it was already determined. I'm not sure
how we played that particular ball game. We were not
surgeon into the playoffs. No, we beat the Saints, right,
(32:15):
and because we'd still ended up getting a buy we
beat the Saints, crushed them, yes, and then had to
go to New York. And that was now and then
at where we learned they all understood, well who was Yeah,
we we had the receiver on Super Bowl Week. Basically
he was he was like a hair away from needing
like certain leg surgery.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
He had the JJ McCarthy ankle injury.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
But he basically said, we're playing the Vikings and that secondary, Yeah,
I'll play. Sean Payton was the offensive coordinator. That was
the story he told me. He said, Sean Payton came
in the training room and said their secondary sucks. We're
throwing at every play. Yeah, and he said, I hopped up.
I remember where we were at the Mall of America,
right by right by Smackshack and Little Tokyo. We beat
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the Saints the Divisional thirty four to sixteen, and we
were despite the fact that we'd finished so badly. I
don't know it was if it was because of that game,
the Saints game, that everybody that the oddsmakers thought we
were fired. I think we were favored in New York.
The Giants weren't a great and the Giants were not
a great team. Yeah, but seventy nine, three and ten
(33:19):
fans felt otherwise.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
They were there. I was there.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
For for that one as uh as well. I'm pretty
sure so it was. It was calamitou. I mean, it's
a weird season, because again, they had a good record overall,
But what are you going to remember from that season?
Probably more than anything else, the clip we just played
and forty one donut. I mean, that's that's the painful
(33:43):
part about If that's what's going to end up happening,
you might might be better off not even making the
playoffs because it was such a route. That game, the
the NFC title game was over in almost no time, right.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I remember turning it off.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Think about that, an NFC Championship game with the Vikings
in it. I stopped watching to go do other things
as an eighteen year old super route. Somebody's reminding me
that was the Sirwanga season. Literally, that's true. I think
he was with Sirwanga was one of our DB's running
was it Robert Taate, Yes, who we said, stop, we
don't need any more ride receivers, some Randy Moss. We
(34:20):
need you to we need We're desperate. We got to
go go play secondary. I remember it was. Yeah, it
was not and I don't evenmember if we had a
bunch of injuries that year, but it was. It was
a secondary that just got shredded.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It was not a professional secondary, which to a certain
extent probably wasn't very fair to the to the rest
of the team. By the way, Dante threw three interceptions. Yeah,
I think at two touchdown passes and three picks in
that calamitous Monday Night game that ended in overtime with
(34:53):
the miracle catch.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
His first season as a starter, Is that right? Yeah,
that's right, that's true. That's true. Yeah, not that not
a bad debut season. And it's not at all.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
No, not bad at all, that's for sure. So the
Asante Samuel Junior Tour. Our day is tomorrow, as I understand,
all right, Today it's the Panthers. No, it's let me
back up. Wednesday was the Panthers. Today's Thursday? Right, visiting
Green Bay today? US Tomorrow Niners, Monday Bears Tuesday. Bad planning,
(35:31):
it should be doing Packers, Vikings, Bears in a row
makes just you know, just flights. Yeah, and then Wednesday
Pittsburgh Steelers. So I haven't heard if how you know,
if we have an inside track, if he's if he's
a big fan of B flow, I assume. So it's money, yeah, right,
what you're willing to spend on what he represents and
(35:55):
and and how good he is.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Is the trade deadline passed? Yes, that was two days ago.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
That's unfortunately true, because were you looking to acquire. No,
I no, so I'm looking to trade away. You wanted
to sell some pieces?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yes, JJ McCarthy, what, Yes, you don't like the alter ego?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Oh God, make it stop, people, please, If we're gonna
if that's what we're gonna have to put up with?
What now three games into his professional career, his alter
egos and intangils like no one else has ever done it,
and fury and anger, and I mean, seriously, why are
(36:40):
we trying so hard?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's it's too The guy who.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Had the best comment, I don't think he was attempting
to to sort of put cold water on it, but
he kind of did in his own way.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Was JJ. Did you see the JJ quote? So I
can find it. I don't think I did.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So he agrees, He says, oh, I like the nine
alter ego. Right, he calls himself in other words, the
player on game day, that's his number. And it's like
he's he turns into a different person, right, He's not Jjin.
He's not like Justin. Jefferson is not Justin. He's Jets.
Well that's part of the quote. Yeah, I mean I
feel like everyone has it. Everyone has to have that ego.
(37:23):
I mean I feel like, especially on this team, they
have a lot of nice guys on this team and
great human beings. When we go out on that field,
we don't need any more nice guys. We need some
guys that are dogs and they scrap through anything. So
I feel like he has that dog mentality and he
knows that he got to turn on when he stepped
foot stepped foot on the field. Let's be honest about
(37:47):
this in all seriousness. I mean, the quarterbacks who've been
have turned themselves into all time great quarterbacks. I mean,
by definition, no matter what their personalities were, didn't they
have to turn into something else on game day? I mean,
(38:07):
I just I just.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Or were they always that person and they didn't have
to change?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well that that maybe that's possible too, But I just
it's just weird, it's wearying. Let's make it more of
just about the performance. And there are some promising signs
in the performance. We all have acknowledged that and lauded that,
and and the idea that can we wait until he
(38:33):
has a substantive career before we get this is the
kind of stuff I associate with.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, he's close to retirement.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Now what do we what do we learn over the
years about the JJ McCarthy mentality. That's to me when
you can go with this big picture stuff and make
it seem like he had something burning in him like
no one else in the history of football ever did.
It's two over the top boys and girls. It's it's
a great angle. And you got to quote him because
(39:03):
he said it. But we're we're feeding the beast. I
think we are prompting the jackals are They're aroused by
this so much that And all I'm saying is, I
don't know if Joe Montana ever called himself sixteen, but
I was there for a lot of those games, man,
(39:23):
and and whatever what, whether whether he had the fifty
quotes that at any point in his career that JJ
McCarthy did or not, he made the plays. So switch has.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
To has to be flipped on any of these guys.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
And JJ's not wrong that that's probably as true of
being a linebacker or an edge rusher or in his
in their own way, an offensive lineman as a quarterback,
even though we all know there's more responsibility for the
quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
The nice guy thing. I mean, do you want guys
who play with an edge? Yes?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I do.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I always have.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
But ultimately the determination on that is edge is less
important than performance.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And if you're a person who knows their.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Own personality and says, well, that's how I get the
best out of myself, I'll respect that.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I have no problem with that.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
But we're just we're just fast forwarding so quick on
so little evidence at this point.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
At every level he won high school, I think he did.
He lose four games if that, No, I think he
lost between high school and college four games. Yeah, you know,
he the ind factor I think probably exists in him,
or there's signs of it. But we got to see
it play out just a little bit, don't we. I
would think, did you when you were did you? Well,
(40:47):
you didn't have to if you're a tennis player, you
didn't have to have a number. I was just wondering
if you did you did? Did did prime tennis guards?
He have an alter ego when he got on the court,
went on the got on the clay courts, you know,
whatever the course. You know what, my number was number one?
Not according to the Pioneer Press. Pioneer Press didn't see
(41:09):
it that way. No, not for as long as they
should have.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Other people did.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
No.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
No, I didn't have an alter ego. Maybe I should have.
Maybe the pioneer press would have recognized it. I do
like though, when I see something and this isn't anything new,
When I see something said or tweeted or written, and
I just know that it's going to come up on
the show at some point, because because I can just
imagine you doing the slow burn, just the Larry David burn,
(41:35):
or just hear you muttering to yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I've heard so many times.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Like sometimes you'll just say, oh, I you know, I
can just see that was one that was one of
the most recent example when nine came out, is this
is not going to go well. I can already tells
not gonna go nine because it might turn out that
he is nine and that his nine will be retired
at Yes Bank Stadium. But he's but the numbers immaterial.
Of course, he's still talking about this. You know this
(42:02):
alter ego. JJ's right. If you're gonna be a really
good football player, no matter the position, you have to
have that alter ego. There's nothing rational about putting yourself
through the paces to be to be a a a
Hall of Fame level football player, right, Nothing there's just
(42:23):
nothing to it.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
All right, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Wow, there's a cheap shot. I'll save that for later,
not for me, for jj actually not Jefferson, but McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Hockey talk. Is that what's coming up next?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Nine? That's it?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
So we're just is there?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Everybody on the station just call him nine?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I think we have to, Yeah, I think we have to.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Who's the previous most famous nine in Viking's history?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Tommy Kramer probably wasn't he nine? Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, I think he was. I don't think I'm remembering
many other nines. McMahon was nine, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah? But he was barely here? Yeah I know.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I'm just saying, yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
It was. I should remember people that'd be a big one.
People here.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Bran inboxing correct me, very very true, Davey. Uh, let's
get a top of the hour break. Let's talk to
some punk Russo radio uh No Salisbury today. We do
have Alec Lewis in about one hour, and doctor Dan's
inbox at five
Bussure, what's wrong with this picture?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Leader fan Fan Radio Network. Many of us are frustrated
and k f A and dot com Three minutes are
you kidding me? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Three minutes thirty two seconds past the hour three o'clock
central daylight, no Central Standard time, on a very special
edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on a do
we call it calm before the snow Nami? Might be
Thursday afternoon here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis Saint Paul.
I don't think it's gonna get that bad this week.
(00:47):
And maybe some sleet, but I don't think any measurable
snow yet.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Now we're back in the fifties next week. Who to
funk it? You excited about fifties? I am for this
time of year. I take it as long as we
possibly can. Guards. He's the producer.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
My name is Dan Barrero from Ringstaint Retch newspaper of
the Twin Cities. We're delighted you were along for the
three hour tour. Today we are out at six Thursday
regular Sean Salisbury Guards, he tells me, is not available
to us today, so he gets the week off, or
at least today off.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I maybe we can negotiate on tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But in his stead, Guardy's guy alec Lewis from the
Athletic Covers the Minnesota Vikings, has joined us many times.
It's all over the Paul Allen project, especially on the
Friday Football Feast edition. A fellow owner of a Brozmer
Brownstone as well. I did not know that he loved. Yeah,
we we hang outsted heavily. We hang out in the
(01:42):
Brosemur Brownstones community room a lot. So he scheduled for
five oh two. I believe you told me Russo radio.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Is what time? Four oh two? Four oh two? That's
unusual for him? It is he's road but not in Carolina.
Oh is it?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Is it something he'll be able to disclose?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is it a scoop in make in the making so
that he can't talk about it until he I don't know.
It's an odd town for him to be in. Okay,
that's all I am comfortable saying. Is right now outside
the state of Minnesota. Say that it is all right? Well,
we'll get to that maybe at four oh two, and
then let's do it maybe a mini version of the Inbox,
even though we're out at six o'clock tonight, Doctor Dan's
inbox at five thirty. Email Guardsy jg at k f
(02:25):
A N dot com. Jg at kfa N dot com.
What is wrong with this picture? And you're saying to
yourself with that you're gonna have You're gonna have to
narrow it down. There's a lot of things that are
wrong about a lot of pictures these days. But what
preytell picture are you referring to? Well, it's it's a
(02:50):
comment that got my attention. Do you remember DeMarcus Cousins
very well, a guy who I wanted us to draft,
even with his baggage. Yes, who did we take instead
of him? We took a safer players. Johnson, you're exactly right.
And Cousins it was a challenge. He was going to
(03:12):
be a challenge, but I said, that's why you pay
your coaches the big bucks. And he was extremely talented
player who had He had his high moments in the NBA, right,
he wasn't a consistent star in the league, I think
it's fair to say, and he did. He was exasperating.
Many coaches were frustrated by him and his approach. Don't
remember a lot of winning teams that he played for
(03:32):
that's true, that made deep runs. There was always the
question of, well, if you want to run a running offense,
good luck, because DeMarcus Cousins will be bringing up the rear.
He's not going to be a part of that. But
a comment he made some of you may be aware.
In fact, there are probably some very intrigued Timberwolves fans
(03:54):
who are watching from afar the John Morant crisis play
out in Memphis, Tennessee. Yeah, he he was suspended for
one game. I believe did they go with the conduct
detrimental to the team. I don't remember what it was exactly, probably,
but it was a battle between who and the head
coach and seemed to be some pretty good video out
(04:18):
of evidence offered up that in the previous game Morant
stopped playing that it was very clear that he's mad
about something, mad about the way he's being used, mad
about the coach, who knows, who knows what with with
with job. Morant and Cousins was on a well I
(04:38):
guess this technically isn't really a podcast. This is something
called are you familiar with Run It Back?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
TV? Yes? Run it Oh you are?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I mean I've seen clips from it before Okay, yeah,
run it back TV?
Speaker 2 (04:52):
What do you is it cover? Does it cover all sports?
Is that? I don't know?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, but it's a regular show, I guess, okay, I
mean I've seen it online and so run It back TV?
And he ran it back regarding the he and whoever
else he was on with the Ja Morant crisis or saga,
however you want to describe it, and he, like many
(05:18):
are saying that no matter what, Memphis is saying publicly
that we want to stay invested in our two really
good players and build around them. That it's inevitable that
they're going to at some point have to cut their
losses and make the best deal available for John Morant,
who will elicit and attract interest because he's a very
(05:39):
talented individual, very explosive player, and there'll be that belief,
that arrogance that we can connect with them. We know
what we're doing, we know how to get the best
out of that kind of player. And by the way,
they're a Minnesota semperbrals fans who said, oh yeah, why
(06:00):
I talk about an explosive backcourt that would be it
Anthony Edwards and John Morant, Are you kidding me? But
we'll get to that part of it a little later,
or perhaps even another day. What fascinated me was the
specific comment by DeMarcus Cousins. It's time to move on.
(06:21):
He says, the ship has sailed. I think the Grizzlies
have made their decision on who they're siding with when
they decided to suspend John Moran. Obviously they're siding with
the coaching staff. He goes on to say, this was
a coaching staff that was brought in with a militant
style of coaching. Doesn't blend well with everybody, doesn't blend
(06:43):
well with modern day basketball. That's something that's you know,
embraced overseas in the European League. They like the military
style because they also lack talent where we don't. So
they have to be more fundamental. Let me repeat that sentence.
(07:03):
So they have to be more fundamental. They have to
be well coached to cover up in those other areas.
So this style of coaching combined with his modern day
basketball as a recipe for disaster, and they've shown it.
By the way, I can't even pronounce the name of
the Memphis coach. Yeah, who replaced the guy had been
there for a while Taylor Jenks Taylor Jenkins.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Who a lot of people I don't know if.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You ever want to coach the Year Award, but a
lot of people thought he was a damn good coach.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
They had a good thing going. They knocked us out
of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And I don't know who was responsible for, you know,
them making that move, whether it was the players of Quiton,
Taylor Jenkins, or whatever the case may be. I'm not
here to necessarily defend this particular coach. Let's call him
frank Iola's brother Thomas, because it's looks like, okay, he's Scandinavian?
Is he? He thought he was Scandinavian could be whatever
(07:54):
the moral of the story when I say what's wrong
with this picture?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is there any chance and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Who else was on the on the show with with cousins,
if was there any chance that anybody could have played
Devil's advocate with him? Maybe somebody did and I don't
know it. And say, DeMarcus, you know we beating a
little too dismissive of the European approach.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Cheat. How far back do we have to.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Go in National Basketball Association history to find an MVP
who didn't come from either Europe or overseas and played.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Many of them played in the.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
System that he seems to malign, that he seems to
look down upon and condemn. The dirty little secret de
Marcus is that the best American players I can name
a few if you'd like, well, start with Michael Jordan.
(09:04):
We're not only talented, but astonishingly fundamental in the way
they played. That was the lethal combination that made Jordan
the best player in the history of the world. He
had ridiculous explosiveness, but he covered all the bases, footwork,
(09:27):
extraordinary right, knew how to move without the ball, the
whole bit. So if the cousin's mentality is one that
a lot of former players abide by and agree with,
they need to take a long, hard look at themselves
(09:48):
and consider the possibility that what he is maligning as
somehow deficient or unnecessary is exactly what you could say
au basketball in the United States of America needs more of.
(10:08):
Now am I saying when when he says militaristic? What's
he suggesting like that the coach is spanking players with
a ruler or a yardstick. You don't know what that
means exactly? I'm not here to say that players can
be abused. But it's so clueless a position to not
understand as he's saying it. What he's acknowledging. We don't
(10:30):
have to be fundamentally sound. Apparently American players don't have
to be as fundamentally sound well if to get the
best out of what they offer from a team standpoint, Hell,
yes they do. That's part of what's missing and part
of what's attracted. Quite frankly, the NBA to players around
the world is exactly what he's demeaning.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Correct. It's growing up in a system that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Just say, ah, he'll make up his lack of fundament metals.
He'll make up because he's so blessed athletically speaking.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh we lost a game at one, that's okay, we
got one at.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Three, exactly, That's exactly it. It's just you know, and again,
maybe somebody did push back on a lot of these shows.
There isn't any of that, I don't think so. I'd
be stunned if there was.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
But in all.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Honesty, come on, I'm hoping that that's a minority position
among former players, and to hide behind that as because
in a sense he's he's leaving out the John Moran
resume off the court. He's conveniently forgetting all of that
(11:41):
stuff that's part of the story. It cannot be removed
from the story. And lately, if it's been less of that,
it's been he just hasn't been available as much.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
He's been injured a decent amount, right.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And God bless who was a couple of the guys
in the NBC booth or an NBC slash peacock who
took him apart Morant and said, I don't know what's
going on there, but I'll just tell you was who's
the big man who used to be with the Clippers,
who's in all the commercials now Griffin And Griffin said,
(12:15):
you know, we're showing him on video here where he's
passing the ball and then he's just sort of sitting
in the corner. A couple other plays in the other
end where he was just completely out of the defensive alignment.
He wasn't really doing much of anything, almost just waiting
for the ball to go back the other way. And
to his credit, he said, I don't know what's going
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on there. He may think he's being wrong. He's supposed
to be one of the leaders of the team, and
that doesn't play or shouldn't play in NBA locker rooms.
I thought it was impressive. In fact, I think it's
a little bit of an example of the NBC approach.
I don't know if it's because of the individuals or
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everybody's taking a long, hard look at anything everything. There's
not the automatic I've got to scratch the itch that
says the player is always right. I think there's a
lot of that on ESPN, and I think here it was, well, yeah,
sometimes the player might be right, but there may be
occasions where.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
We can't leave out.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
You're being paid to play in a game and you're
not there that night. Whatever you think you're doing, you're
doing yourself a disservice, and you're doing your team a disservice.
And you're doing the young players. Because he's young, but
not as young as many of them. He's been around
long enough where he's supposed to be one of the
leaders of the club. So again, you know, we can
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pound ourselves into submission about well, it's a different age
and the militaristic.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Stuff has to stop.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But to me, he's using a term to make it
seem more negative than it is because demanding fundamental work
and a fundamental approach from players to fit into a team,
not just be an individual. Ain't nothing militaristic about that
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at all. It's too easy to I'm going to use
that term because it scares people like players are having
to deal with corporal punishment or something that's very different
than what we're talking about here, which is if indeed
it's considered militaristic to demand and insist upon young players
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giving themselves the best chance to succeed, even if they
have great talent, by also being fundamentally sound, then we're doomed.
Then this game is doomed. So I'm going to hope
the cousin's position is a minority position the next time
we have Remind me, the next time we have Tom
crean on this is a perfect topic for him. It's
a perfect subject for him to delve into because he
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pays attention to basketball everywhere. He's plugged in, not just
here but around the world. He understands what some of
those differences are, and I think it would I'd be
very curious to see what he has to say. By
the way, somebody said Lou Williams was on the podcast,
and he did push back, okay, and that he said
John Morant owe is the fan more than what he
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was giving on the court.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
So that's encouraging to hear.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Maybe maybe this is an age thing, but Cousins isn't
twenty two anymore either, So I don't know. But to
your point about is it a minority position, I don't
think so. I really don't think that it worries me. Yes,
but I think we've seen it. I just look at
the last ten or fifteen years. The players all have
the power right in the NBA. Yes, that's completely shifted.
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It started fifteen years ago. We're in the play not
even close empowerment era, with maybe Miami as an exception
and San Antonio as an exception. Those might be the
only two I would say even there it is, there's
been slippage. Well, I would say, Jimmy Butler's playing in
Golden State exactly after just checking out exactly right right,
even they gave up, Even they a heat culture could
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not withstand the Jimmy Butler era. But I do think
that's the Well, what are they going to do to me?
I'm John Morant You know five years ago we were
a two seed I was an MVP candidate, I could
stay with a straight face.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I'm good with the West.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I don't need to worry about anybody in the West
because we're good there, which was idiotic at the time,
but yes, it's unfortunately, I think it is a prevalent
thought for current players former players that worries me. I mean,
even look at the recluselessness of that comment. It's just
I know, what do you I mean, what are you doing?
What are you thinking about? Because that comes you know
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what that's about. I reflexively always have to defend the player,
and again I have too, we have sometimes. I'm not
saying coaches are are bulletproof when it comes to criticism,
but it's just.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Too easy to turn it into that.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And as I said, I the sense I've had about
and this may be too early to any grand conclusions
about NBC and Prime, but their shows feel different now.
Maybe for me, some of it is they're just they're
more attractive, just because they're not the same old faces
in many cases, and so there's a newness to it
and that maybe I'll reach a point where I'll get
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tired of them too. I don't know, but it feels
different in that regard. It feels a little more mature,
good in what I'm hearing. A couple of people are
texting on this. Can we acknowledge the Prime Basketball Crew
has added a much needed technical breakdown in NBA coverage
that other leagues have been doing for over a decade.
It just makes basketball more interesting to a casual viewer
(17:36):
like myself. This is from Atari bigbe Guy as well.
Prime and NBC getting NBA has been the best thing
to happen to hoops talking over a decade. I've learned
more listening to Blake and Dirk as in Novitski over
two weeks, and I have listening to Steven a in
two decades, and I don't think they're too technical. The
other guy heard, which one is nat Steve nash On,
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He's on one of them.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think he's studio war shows.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
At least I heard him being interviewed, not on you know,
the set, but interviewed previewing, and I was I was
fascinated by it. He was very interesting. He had angles
that we just don't hear all that much.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And again, you don't have.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
To be hardcore to to be a hardcore basketball fan.
I think to enjoy some of those observations and some
of those opinions that just seem less conditioned to here's
what you have to do over the next seven minutes.
Somebody is going to have to say something preposterous if
the Pacers lose tonight, what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Exactly it? And then the rest of you can debate it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
If one person says something stupid, then the rest which
is kind of wasted energy because we already have I mean,
Charles Barkley already is good about the Molotov cocktail approach,
and we enjoy that because it seems more authentic to them.
But I'm connecting two things that may not be, but
I think they are a little bit in that. I just,
like I said, Blake Griffin, it just came off so adult.
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It wasn't like there was venom in his voice. It wasn't,
you know, like he was savaging morant, but he was
almost like bewilderment, like, I don't somebody's got to explain
this to me.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
This doesn't add up. This isn't you know.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I've been in locker rooms, I've been around teams, and
I just I hope there's more of that thinking among
players as opposed to the DeMarcus Cousin's approach, because I
think there's there's something there and the idea we'll look
it up.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Here. Is it the.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Last seven I think it's the last seven most Valuable
Player Awards have been won probably by non Americans, right,
pretty sure? Now, some of that's you know, they got
great talent. They're unusually players, but many of them have
come up in different systems, have they? Not very much
so that everybody talks about We've talked about this with
with with Tim Conley, that they've even tried. They're trying
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in the in the work he does with some of
the organizations he's attached to to try to nurture and encourage.
I don't know, do you call it the academy approach.
I don't know there's a name for it. Yeah, that
people are using to try to incorporate a little bit
more of that and to say, no, there's some stuff
we can do. The old war we invented basketball, we
were we have to explain ourselves to anybody. You can
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go with that, But at some point you say, well,
let's look around a little bit and what is the
ongoing frustration that a lot of coaches talk about and
what do the MVP awards seem to indicate. Well, this
last year it was Shay Gilges, Alexander Yep, Joker the
year before that, Embiid in twenty twenty three, Joker in
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twenty two, Joker in twenty one, Greek freaking twenty Greek
freaking nineteen. James Harden is the last US born MVP.
Correct makes sense? Yeah, that's two thousand and eight. It's
a long time ago, A long time ago. Now, that
doesn't mean Jimmy Butler was on the Timberwolves that year.
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That's how long ago that one. Come on, they played
MVP James Harden in the first run of the playoffs.
That's how long ago it was since an American born
player won the Most Valuable Player award. We should American
basketball should be insulted by that. They should be, but
they should take that personally, say sports in general, what
are we doing?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
What?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
What? What are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
We're gonna fall back on because well, yeah, they you know,
over there, they're not really that talented, so they got
to worry about fundamentals.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Over here, we'd have to worry about fundamentals. Why would
that ever matter, why would that ever be.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Important winning losing team In all honesty that it wouldn't
help John Morant if he was more consistent in a
fundamental sense, as gifted and explosive a player as he is,
a guy who was fearless, and that was a very it's.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
A very attractive feature in him.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And by the way, for the record, I don't know
if you've talked about this on air, and we can
get into it again more later. I want part of them,
and I say that I hate saying it because there's
a I do have a sense that this might be
a year where Conley considers doing something drastic again, I know,
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but I'm not sure. I'm not even sure that that's
a good fit, to be honest with you, with with
Anthony Edwards giving me how much he kind of needs
the ball, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I don't feel good about it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I don't feel good even though it's it's not unprecedented.
I mean, look at I mean, Butler is the best
example he ends up. I mean, Golden State's one of
the most winning organizations, mature you could say, organizations in
some ways out there, and they said we'll take a
shot at him. Well, even if we know his history
and how it ends up going. But I would be
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very wary of not even knowing what we'd have to
give up to get John Moran in this mix.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I thought about it for a long time. Yesterday when
it was reported that the Wolves were monitoring the situation, which,
by the way, they're all monitoring the situation, right, everybody
is like that, that's the term, so people go crazy.
I have that tweet sens me like seven times behind
my wolves buddies, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Are we monitoring? Yeah? They should be. What else is
Tim Conley doing? Right, I'm sure he's not.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's what he should If Conley had an x account,
that's what he should tweet out. Yeah, just for the record,
we are not monitoring. Yeah, we don't, you know, because
it's so obvious they all have to monitor. Of course
they do, right, because that move wherever he goes, that
might create some type of domino or whatever. So I
thought about it for a while because he is jo
rant and but that's part of the reason. That's probably though,
why Cousins says what he says, because it is John Morant,
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because there's nothing like talent. How many times have you
talked about that? And he's got that in spades. He
has no question. When he's going, he's going. And we
saw that firsthand whatever year that was in the first
round of the playoffs. But the more I thought about it, yeah,
I said, do we want Aunt with him? Because Aunt
still needs to be let along what he does, like
Curry is fine if Jimmy Butler does something crazy. Curry's
(23:58):
played with Draymond for two exactly right, there's nothing he
hasn't seen it all. He's going to figure all that out.
Steve Kurr the same deal. A cold cocking in tractice,
a punch to the face, exactly Yeah, he's still this guy.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And also it's blowing up the team yet again, which
I'm not completely because you have to give up Brandle
or Nas to make the money work one of those two.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And yeah, so I probably thought about it more than
I should have, but I came to the same conclusion
you did.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
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The Minnesota sports calendar of calamity.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Many of you may know this by now, twenty five
years ago. Tonight twenty five years ago, so November six
of two thousand, one of the most painful regular season finishes,
one of the most freakish of Minnesota Vikings finishes, took place.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Was it Monday Night Football? It was definitely Niking.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
It was yeah, and it was in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Al Michaels, Dan Fowl, Dennis Miller, Yeah, along with Melissa
Stark and Eric Dickerson, apparently with the sideline reporters on
the ABC TV coverage a game the Vikings lose in
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overtime twenty six to twenty. I remember it like yesterday,
me too. Do you remember it well so you remember
exactly where I was watching it. Let's listen to the
game winning play. It'll bring back a lot of memories.
If you haven't figured it out already, Let's start.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Lays it up for Freeman and it's incomplete et or
did he.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Make the carts at the fiftheen what.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Are they get a round?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Did he cut it? Cutsack?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
He did what? Reckless?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Right on? I hope oh.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Man Man not a dish but not an accepted Well,
the pickers are going wild.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
The crowd's going.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Wild, and I imagine there's nothing to challenge. But they'll
have to look at it upstairs. Handtack, well, he's lamping.
But let's see what it shows in the replay. It
never hit the ground. It hit the back.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Of Antonio Freeman. Who are you going to bring the
ball up in the air and look off the ground.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
What unbelievable awareness of where the ball is on his
running way on his pae co a touch bag.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Once again, we are reviewing the play on the field.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Ball went through Dishman's hands the ground. Well, they're trying
to bring the teams back onto the field if they
overturn it, but I haven't seen anything overturn it yet.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Now it's just a great flooky play for the pack
Tennis Montain.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Handtack hadn't even gotten over to the and then there's
no hot attack. Dishman didn't even tidy up forwards.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
He just assumed that it hit the ground, rolling.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
On the field, stands touchdown.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Pretty good call by the guys on the field. They
got it, right, I mean, that was impossible. It was
uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
It was Chris Dishman who was celebrating what looked to
be an incomplete pass. Meanwhile, Antonio Freeman finds the ball
on his body basically, hey, here's the ball, and then
kind of turns keeps it, you know, keeps his body
between the ball and the ground, and then saunters in.
(28:36):
It was ay ended up being a forty three yard
touchdown pass. Farv was the quarterback who threw it, and
that was the game winning drive. You know. T now
the Vikings did have. That was an eleven and five season, right,
That was an NFC title game. That was forty one
donuts season. Yes, so we had a really good regular
season despite that game.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But it was yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I mean, as I recall, a lot of the conversation
was hammering Dishman for celebration, and you know that never
stops happening.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I was watching a bit of Who the Bears play?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Who'd they just come back and beat the Bengals and
I don't know who the defensive lineman was, but he
sacks the quarterback and starts celebrating, not noticing that the
ball has escaped the quarterback. Yeah, he's he's actually has
his back turned.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
To the play.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
So it it's some guys never get it. I mean,
the dufus factor is undefeated in that regard. This is
the defensive equivalent to the offensive player dropping the ball
right before they crossed the goal line, which still happens.
It happened this season somewhere in the NFL. Yeah, I
remember this one. Now. Imagine being so two thousand little guards,
having an eighteen year old high school senior. This is
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my senior year, height of the rubidity. I'm coming off
of the ninth eight season and heartbreak, and imagine watching that,
waiting all day for Monday night football, watching that game
in your living room, and then having to go to
bed after that at the height of it. Like, I
don't think I slept that night because I just said,
how did that?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
As how? Michael says he did?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
What?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, And it's so a great call he was. He
nailed it. He nailed it. He's out Michaels. What really
just bothered me? Was the dishman part of it, where
first of all, the ball should have been picked off,
he should have intercepted it in the first place, bring
in the you know, hit your hand, man, hit your hand,
catch it, and then to immediately start celebrating, almost like
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your Bears guy before the Hail Mary last year, and
not realizing the situation, and obviously you don't think that
that is ever going to happen to you, But just
stay in the play for one second longer you tap
him down, and then who knows what happens if he
catches it. They still probably kick a field goal, they
still might win, and all of that, but I just
remember being so annoyed by that, by the dishman part
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of it. We started that season seven to zero and
then we got killed at Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay forty
one to thirteen, and then we were in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So we win that game.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
We would have been eight and one as it was,
we were seven and two, but we still ended up
running away with the division end but didn't get the
eleven five. No, and I don't know if this mattered
because we did. I forgot this. We were eleven and
two and lost our last three. Yeah, it cost us
to number one. And that was back when we were
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so desperate for defensive backs that we were asking receivers, hey,
you want to come over and be defensive backs. I mean,
that was an infamous period for that where we had
no answers. And so, yeah, we lost on December tenth
to the Rams forty to twenty nine at.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
The TWA Dome.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
We lost the rematch to the Packers thirty three to
twenty eight at the Dome, and then we lost our
final game of the season with the Coles thirty one ten. Now,
I don't know what, if anything, was at stake at
that point. Maybe it was already determined. I'm not sure
how we played that particular ball game. We were not
surgeon into the playoffs. No, we beat the Saints, right,
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and because we'd still ended up getting a buy we
beat the Saints, crushed them, yes, and then had to
go to New York. And that was now and then
at where we learned they all understood, well who was Yeah,
we we had the receiver on Super Bowl Week. Basically
he was he was like a hair away from needing
like certain leg surgery.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
He had the JJ McCarthy ankle injury.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
But he basically said, we're playing the Vikings and that secondary, Yeah,
I'll play. Sean Payton was the offensive coordinator. That was
the story he told me. He said, Sean Payton came
in the training room and said their secondary sucks. We're
throwing at every play. Yeah, and he said, I hopped up.
I remember where we were at the Mall of America,
right by right by Smackshack and Little Tokyo. We beat
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the Saints the Divisional thirty four to sixteen, and we
were despite the fact that we'd finished so badly. I
don't know it was if it was because of that game,
the Saints game, that everybody that the oddsmakers thought we
were fired. I think we were favored in New York.
The Giants weren't a great and the Giants were not
a great team. Yeah, but seventy nine, three and ten
(33:19):
fans felt otherwise.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
They were there. I was there.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
For for that one as uh as well. I'm pretty
sure so it was. It was calamitou. I mean, it's
a weird season, because again, they had a good record overall,
But what are you going to remember from that season?
Probably more than anything else, the clip we just played
and forty one donut. I mean, that's that's the painful
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part about If that's what's going to end up happening,
you might might be better off not even making the
playoffs because it was such a route. That game, the
the NFC title game was over in almost no time, right.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I remember turning it off.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Think about that, an NFC Championship game with the Vikings
in it. I stopped watching to go do other things
as an eighteen year old super route. Somebody's reminding me
that was the Sirwanga season. Literally, that's true. I think
he was with Sirwanga was one of our DB's running
was it Robert Taate, Yes, who we said, stop, we
don't need any more ride receivers, some Randy Moss. We
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need you to we need We're desperate. We got to
go go play secondary. I remember it was. Yeah, it
was not and I don't evenmember if we had a
bunch of injuries that year, but it was. It was
a secondary that just got shredded.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I mean it was.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It was not a professional secondary, which to a certain
extent probably wasn't very fair to the to the rest
of the team. By the way, Dante threw three interceptions. Yeah,
I think at two touchdown passes and three picks in
that calamitous Monday Night game that ended in overtime with
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the miracle catch.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
His first season as a starter, Is that right? Yeah,
that's right, that's true. That's true. Yeah, not that not
a bad debut season. And it's not at all.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
No, not bad at all, that's for sure. So the
Asante Samuel Junior Tour. Our day is tomorrow, as I understand,
all right, Today it's the Panthers. No, it's let me
back up. Wednesday was the Panthers. Today's Thursday? Right, visiting
Green Bay today? US Tomorrow Niners, Monday Bears Tuesday. Bad planning,
(35:31):
it should be doing Packers, Vikings, Bears in a row
makes just you know, just flights. Yeah, and then Wednesday
Pittsburgh Steelers. So I haven't heard if how you know,
if we have an inside track, if he's if he's
a big fan of B flow, I assume. So it's money, yeah, right,
what you're willing to spend on what he represents and
(35:55):
and and how good he is.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Is the trade deadline passed? Yes, that was two days ago.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
That's unfortunately true, because were you looking to acquire. No,
I no, so I'm looking to trade away. You wanted
to sell some pieces?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yes, JJ McCarthy, what, Yes, you don't like the alter ego?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Oh God, make it stop, people, please, If we're gonna
if that's what we're gonna have to put up with?
What now three games into his professional career, his alter
egos and intangils like no one else has ever done it,
and fury and anger, and I mean, seriously, why are
(36:40):
we trying so hard?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's it's too The guy who.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Had the best comment, I don't think he was attempting
to to sort of put cold water on it, but
he kind of did in his own way.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Was JJ. Did you see the JJ quote? So I
can find it. I don't think I did.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
So he agrees, He says, oh, I like the nine
alter ego. Right, he calls himself in other words, the
player on game day, that's his number. And it's like
he's he turns into a different person, right, He's not Jjin.
He's not like Justin. Jefferson is not Justin. He's Jets.
Well that's part of the quote. Yeah, I mean I
feel like everyone has it. Everyone has to have that ego.
(37:23):
I mean I feel like, especially on this team, they
have a lot of nice guys on this team and
great human beings. When we go out on that field,
we don't need any more nice guys. We need some
guys that are dogs and they scrap through anything. So
I feel like he has that dog mentality and he
knows that he got to turn on when he stepped
foot stepped foot on the field. Let's be honest about
(37:47):
this in all seriousness. I mean, the quarterbacks who've been
have turned themselves into all time great quarterbacks. I mean,
by definition, no matter what their personalities were, didn't they
have to turn into something else on game day? I mean,
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I just I just.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Or were they always that person and they didn't have
to change?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well that that maybe that's possible too, But I just
it's just weird, it's wearying. Let's make it more of
just about the performance. And there are some promising signs
in the performance. We all have acknowledged that and lauded that,
and and the idea that can we wait until he
(38:33):
has a substantive career before we get this is the
kind of stuff I associate with.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, he's close to retirement.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Now what do we what do we learn over the
years about the JJ McCarthy mentality. That's to me when
you can go with this big picture stuff and make
it seem like he had something burning in him like
no one else in the history of football ever did.
It's two over the top boys and girls. It's it's
a great angle. And you got to quote him because
(39:03):
he said it. But we're we're feeding the beast. I
think we are prompting the jackals are They're aroused by
this so much that And all I'm saying is, I
don't know if Joe Montana ever called himself sixteen, but
I was there for a lot of those games, man,
(39:23):
and and whatever what, whether whether he had the fifty
quotes that at any point in his career that JJ
McCarthy did or not, he made the plays. So switch has.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
To has to be flipped on any of these guys.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
And JJ's not wrong that that's probably as true of
being a linebacker or an edge rusher or in his
in their own way, an offensive lineman as a quarterback,
even though we all know there's more responsibility for the
quarterback position.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
The nice guy thing. I mean, do you want guys
who play with an edge? Yes?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I do.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I always have.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
But ultimately the determination on that is edge is less
important than performance.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And if you're a person who knows their.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Own personality and says, well, that's how I get the
best out of myself, I'll respect that.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I have no problem with that.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
But we're just we're just fast forwarding so quick on
so little evidence at this point.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
At every level he won high school, I think he did.
He lose four games if that, No, I think he
lost between high school and college four games. Yeah, you know,
he the ind factor I think probably exists in him,
or there's signs of it. But we got to see
it play out just a little bit, don't we. I
would think, did you when you were did you? Well,
(40:47):
you didn't have to if you're a tennis player, you
didn't have to have a number. I was just wondering
if you did you did? Did did prime tennis guards?
He have an alter ego when he got on the court,
went on the got on the clay courts, you know,
whatever the course. You know what, my number was number one?
Not according to the Pioneer Press. Pioneer Press didn't see
(41:09):
it that way. No, not for as long as they
should have.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Other people did.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
No.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
No, I didn't have an alter ego. Maybe I should have.
Maybe the pioneer press would have recognized it. I do
like though, when I see something and this isn't anything new,
When I see something said or tweeted or written, and
I just know that it's going to come up on
the show at some point, because because I can just
imagine you doing the slow burn, just the Larry David burn,
(41:35):
or just hear you muttering to yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I've heard so many times.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Like sometimes you'll just say, oh, I you know, I
can just see that was one that was one of
the most recent example when nine came out, is this
is not going to go well. I can already tells
not gonna go nine because it might turn out that
he is nine and that his nine will be retired
at Yes Bank Stadium. But he's but the numbers immaterial.
Of course, he's still talking about this. You know this
(42:02):
alter ego. JJ's right. If you're gonna be a really
good football player, no matter the position, you have to
have that alter ego. There's nothing rational about putting yourself
through the paces to be to be a a a
Hall of Fame level football player, right, Nothing there's just
(42:23):
nothing to it.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
All right, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Wow, there's a cheap shot. I'll save that for later,
not for me, for jj actually not Jefferson, but McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Hockey talk. Is that what's coming up next?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Nine? That's it?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
So we're just is there?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Everybody on the station just call him nine?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I think we have to, Yeah, I think we have to.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Who's the previous most famous nine in Viking's history?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Tommy Kramer probably wasn't he nine? Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, I think he was. I don't think I'm remembering
many other nines. McMahon was nine, wasn't he?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah? But he was barely here? Yeah I know.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I'm just saying, yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
It was. I should remember people that'd be a big one.
People here.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Bran inboxing correct me, very very true, Davey. Uh, let's
get a top of the hour break. Let's talk to
some punk Russo radio uh No Salisbury today. We do
have Alec Lewis in about one hour, and doctor Dan's
inbox at five
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