November 10, 2025 • 43 mins
Dan Barreiro opens the show reacting to the Vikings disappointing loss to the Ravens before wide receiver Adam Thielen makes his weekly appearance on the show.
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This is a little too early today? Is that possible?
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I thought of could I get him to do that?
This is like five times in a row. But then
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you sure?
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I did three of them. That's enough. That's close enough.
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We'll hear more later. That's the beauty shadowing. That's guardsy.
The producer of the show.
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My name is Dan Barrero, former Ringsteine Ratch newspaper of
the Twin Cities and host of What We Like To
affectionately refer to occasionally as the afternoon ardvark On.
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What is I guess the last cold day we're gonna
have in a while?
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I think we're back in the fifties the rest of
this week, after a bit of a chill in the
air over the weekend here in the Twin cities of
Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
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My, oh my.
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Last week we were celebrating singing the Candyman song, reminding
us of the just the beautiful lyrics of that tune.
Who can take a sunrise, sprinkle it with dew, cover
it with chocolate, and a miracle or two? The Candyman can.
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He mixes it with love and makes the world taste good.
The world tasted the football world tasted so scrumptious a
week ago?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Sounded better a week ago, did it not?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Bo We come to find out the Candyman has a
cruel side, and we saw the other end of it
yesterday at the People Stadium in downtown Minneapolis. We were
reminded of the yin of it. No, I guess it'll
be the yang of it. The yen was last week.
This is the yang that reminds us of the startling
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contrasts in football emotions. For your average sports room, in
this case, your average Vikings fan, it didn't go very
well after a promising start. Maybe that added to the
cruelty for your favorite football team. Twenty seven to nineteen
ultimately was the final score, and I guess it's fair
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to say I probably owe a lot of the national
pundits an apology. I'd mentioned on the Sermons program that
I thought people were making it seem as if the
Vikings winning this game at home was going to be
the upset of the century. I had Blake Moore look
nationally to follow up on my own unofficial view of
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national predictions from the various big sites, and I think,
out of like I don't know, thirty or forty predictors,
we found literally one that picked the Vikings. And I thought,
I get it. The quarterbacks back for Baltimore. They're good,
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or they have been good. There's high hopes for them,
but they they'd beaten the Bears and the Dolphins, and
I said, I just don't believe this would should have
to be the upset of the century. Well maybe it
would have been the upsod of the century in the
basis of what we saw I don't exactly know, because
most of those pundits turned out to be one hundred
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percent right, and I guess I'm I'm pretty sure I
had another zero to three week. My pick sensibility just
been brutal, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Brutal, and.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I We've got a lot of good Vikings talking points
to get to today. Guards he's put together some other
sound that may be part of the occasion. You heard
some of it already. We got an outstanding array of
guests today that will which will include we think Adam
Feeling at three thirty, Johnny Athletic at four oh two,
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Nacho Lebra four forty seven, and then our old friend
from their thrifty traveler, Kyle Potter.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
By the offense number seventy five. There it is.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And so we are going to deviate a little bit.
I mean, maybe he'll want to talk Vikings. I'm not sure,
but I've had a lot of people asking whether we're
going to have Kyle on soon regarding the degree of
chaos for the aviation industry right now. I know we're
allegedly on the verge of a breakthrough regarding the shutdown,
but I'm told that even if that does go through,
that there will still be a ripple effect for a
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while in the aviation industry. And I know many of
you travel as well. So Kyle's going to join us.
It's scheduled to join us at five point thirty. I
think I've asked you this before, and I don't know
if you've ever settled it. Do we have any ping
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pong tables that the players can use over the course
of a day, because if we do, I think it's
time to take the.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Ping pong tables out. Oh take them out, take them out? Oh,
maybe bring them in? No, no, no, no, I'm assuming
we have them. I'm assuming we have everything. Yeah, I'm
sure we got Papa shot baskets there. I'm guessing every
possible toy fun game that any you know program could have,
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any the National Football League team would have, we've got
it there.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I think we need to rip them all out of
there right now. I don't think we've earned any of that.
We're sitting here under We're two games behind the Bears.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And now for the second week seven, second time in
three weeks, we're facing a must win again.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
We're back to must win, right. You can't lose to
the Bears.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
No, now loose the Bears at home, then you're two
games under five hundred, going on the road to what
is it next? Seattle in Green Bay? Green Bay, then
Seattle Bay first, then Seattle. Come on, what are we
talking about here? And I gotta be honest, I first
have I felt very good about my pick, not just
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because of the way the Vikings came out early after.
You know, Baltimore looked Baltimore to me, the first half
looked utterly bored with being there. They did not look
into it. They looked like a team that was ready
to be beaten. Quite frankly, I didn't think Jackson looked dynamic.
I didn't think he looked that impressive. I don't think
any about the Ravens looked that good. But our problem
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was we didn't build a lead we should have. We
needed to be up in that game minimum ten yep
at the half, and what we end up being up
ten nine? Yeah, because we gave him a tree late
as well. That to me told the ball game first half.
I think the Ravens were ready to be beaten. And
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the Ravens probably had more on the table than we
did given their record. You know that they have. You
can argue they can't lose any more games. But they
didn't look that interested, or they didn't look that committed,
or they didn't look that good. And I'm sure it
was the kind of deal of well we haven't. I
don't know what Harbas said to his team at halftime,
but he could have done the cliched. Guys, we stunk
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up much of that first half, but look at the scoreboard.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
We're down one.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We take care of business on this first drive, and
Koc helped to make sure that the Ravens did, We're
gonna be fine in this game. Let's go and win
the damn thing. They're gonna make it that available to
let's win it.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And sure enough, second half, the Ravens took care of business.
They started running the ball better, they had just enough
good pass plays, they got help from us. Yep, we
give a couple of key areas and they end up
winning it. Would I say twenty seven nineteen? Yes, we
got the touchdown. Then we did the old we're gonna
go The chart says go for two, which I hate,
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but we did and we did get the ball back right,
but ultimately did not have enough time enough opportunity to
do much of anything with it. So a we talked
about it all week. It's stating the obvious that we
were all you know, we were all bloated out all
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that candy after the Lions game. But what we knew
was that if we didn't show some discipline back off
the chunkies for a couple of days, it really wasn't
going to matter how good we felt eaten all that
candy on last Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday in it,
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you know, sort of in the aftermath of that kind
of victory. It was all going to depend on what
we did with that opportunity. And I'll say again, I
don't think the Ravens looked unbeatable at key points to
that ball game, but we didn't ultimately even come close
to winning the thing. So here we are back with
I think one step closer to the reality, the realization
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that we might just have.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
To be one of these cute little clubs that.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Surprises people one week to the good and then turns
around and surprises people to the bat at home where
we're having difficulty winning.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Have we won any games at home this year?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
We beat Cincinnati, Oh, that's right because of the nine
defensive touchdowns in the first half.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
That's it. But that's it.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
We lost to Atlanta, we lost to Philly, and yesterday
we lost to the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Oh, that's not going to get it done, is it. No,
not with our road schedule, that's for sure.
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The surging Wild win two in a row, including a
shutout last night. Yeah, and Dan starts the show talking
about the last place Vikings No famous moments.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Enough kick gas offense.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Minnesota three or four on third down, third and eight
from the Ravens thirty one, Hockinson in motion to the
right of McCarthy. Three receivers right, one left, snap play stoppage.
Seawan Hocky Lee stap throws flags.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Before the snap fall start by the center. It's a
five yard penalty, it's third down.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
It's play Brandell in his sixth star, make that his
fifth start, and there must be something that he's doing
with the football before the snap.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Join us again for another famous moments en up kick
gas offense.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Six five.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
One guy asks, why is the Bears game a must
win to accomplish what exactly?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That's a fair question.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Maybe implicit in the question, he's saying, why are you
pretending anything is at stake? And and that's understandable when
you've meandered the way the Vikings have meandered this year.
I'm going under the assumption that the Vikings internally still
want to at least believe they have a chance to
make themselves make themselves vital in the playoff chase this year.
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And if that's their intent, I think falling to when
then we would be what four and six? We'd be
four and six heading to starting a two game road
trip that becomes fairly untenable. He may be right, if
he was being stark. I'm not here to tell you
that we're on you know, we're in a good position
to make any kind of a playoff run at this point.
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But given it's a division opponent, and given you've dropped
back under five hundred, and given the game is at home,
I just don't think you give yourself at that point
much margin for air. Now again, you could say, well
but what if we go on the road and win
to in a row Dan, then change Then things would
probably change at least, but even that is like, well
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then you're back to that's what's odd. Then you'd be
back to five hundred, right, And I don't think it's
the kind of year where nine and eight is going
to get you in.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I don't believe.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I mean, right now, the Bears are in the final
playoff spot at six and.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Three, and the Bears are about to embark on a
more difficult part of their schedule. They've had both very
soft schedule, but they have I mean, at some point
if you I keep demigrating them, but if you keep
finishing games the way they have, admittedly against bad teams,
but finding you know, comeback victories in pretty dramatic fashion,
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then you know you have to at least get started.
You're in the mix at the very least, even if
I don't think anybody views the Bears as a serious
team to make much of a playoff run, one would say,
we got a lot of good vikings talking points, but
I want to try to stay on the clock, so
I will save pretty much all of those that Guardsy
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has has put together one of the more interesting sidebars,
and it is related to a talking point.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
But well, well, you know what, Let's go ahead and
play it real quick.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Let's go ahead, come on, JJ, Let's go second and
fifteen from the twenty five of the Ravens. Two receivers right,
one left. McCarthy out of the shotgun, four man rush.
JJ steps up in the pocket to the.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
End zone complate.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Justin Jefferson, the intended receiver Andy was covered by a
low heat Gilman. That's six year safety from Notre Dame.
Nice passed by McCarthy eighteen. Couldn't bring it in. Now
it's third down. Now it was a middle open. JJ
tried to run the post. That ball was really put
right on the money. That's what actually we passed. Actually
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went through the hands of Justin Jefferson. That's one he
should have come down with it.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Ursus is right.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
The headline for that talking point was c c as in,
Chris Carter makes that catch. Ordinarily Justin Jefferson makes that catch.
But he didn't, and it's opened the door. It's an
interesting post mortem. And we'll talk about this with Johnny
Athletic because he made it really the point of his
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whole column that's available via The Athletic today or last
night whenever it dropped that there were some troubling aspects
to not JJ McConnell. Yeah, JJ McCarthy's performance for sure. Yeah,
but for JJ with Justin Jefferson as well having to
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do with.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
That.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
That's a catch he's got to make.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's not I wouldn't call the ball perfectly thrown like
Pete did, but it was thrown well enough on a
timing route that he's got to make the catch. I
think that's a catch that I think even Jefferson agreed.
He's he's got to help his quarterback. Doesn't matter if
he's a young quarterback or an old quarterback, whoever his
quarterback is, he's got to make that play. The coverage
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wasn't horrible, but that's a catch he's ordinarily going to make.
The larger issue that's getting more national attention is the
video that looks worse on the interception right where the
one where he stumbled was that the one there were two.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, there were two to him, but the third and
one as the one people are talking about the deep point.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Regarding Yeah, regarding his reaction, he didn't seem particularly interested
in pursuing becoming a defender at that.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Point, which is odd.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I mean, the truth is we often see offensive players
pretend to try to tackle somebody. I don't think he's
the first to fall into that classification, but it's it
didn't feel good, It didn't feel like competitor.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Guy didn't look good, didn't look like Jets.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
But the alter ego, to be honest, the yeah, because
everybody's got to have an alter ego.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
We know that it was the player on the end zone.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
To me, that's where he really could have helped out
his his QB. I am not in the group because
there are a lot of people who are offended, like, well,
you know, Jefferson, you don't you have to do a
better job of getting the ball. Well, they try to
get him the ball, and there are a number of
inaccurate passes by McCarthy and beyond that another receiver. If
another receiver is dominating to the degree that Naylor was,
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and that's okay, the idea that you're going to get
that you should like lose your mind over. But JJ's
supposed to be the guy. There are stretches in a
game where it doesn't matter who's supposed to be the guy,
that the ball's getting somewhere, and in Naylor's case, it
got there a lot effectively. Unfortunately, the accuracy from McCarthy
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was awful for most of the passes to Justin Jefferson
and a to who's our other receiver, Jordan Arron Assen.
That was not helpful either. So was that combination of things.
Where were you on the interception reaction?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I just think it goes into the pot of I
didn't like his vibe all day. I didn't think he
had a very good vibe much of the day at all,
and that was concerning because he is not That might
be the only time I ever remember him seeming that down.
I don't even know if disinterested or disengaged, or people
were saying he's not into it. I just think he
was down because I do think when he breaks open,
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like on the one pass out to the right and
there's no one within six yards of him, and the
ball goes into the third row over his head. I
have to imagine that's frustrating. As much as he wants
to be a team guy and say it doesn't matter
who my quarterback is. I've caught a thousand yards with
fifty different quarterbacks. I do think there's probably a cumulative
weight here that he hasn't had the season he's wanted
to have, and when easy pitching catches like that don't happen,
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I just think it messes with his body language.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
And one of them ended up being down by contact
anyway where he didn't respond correct. Yeah, I think it was,
Sir Jefferson. Yeah, so did Jefferson mention. I mean, we
have to factor that into the thing. Here's my bigger
problem with Justin yesterday was, you know, again, I thought
he got a pass interference call he didn't even deserve.
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Quite frankly, I thought the one he ended up getting
was very iffy. A TV didn't, but I did. And
he looked like to me, he was in that mode
where that's what he was constantly waiting for is to
get bailed out.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
And you know, he even said it.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
He has to fight through the physicality a lot better
than he did, and there are times where he does
not fight through physicality very effectively. He just didn't seem
That's why if I'm a defensive back, that's what I'm doing.
I'm in his face as much as I can be
because I know what damage he otherwise can do. All right,
let's try to stay on schedule. We will talk to
another Vikings wide receiver, Adam Thielen. That's coming up next,
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Johnny Athletic, Ben Lieber, and Kyle Potter before we wrap
things up on what's gonna be a very busy program.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
No famous moments. Spin up a gas offense.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Straight i Ahaid McCarthy, c J Hammond in front of
Aaron Jones.
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Down, two fists of the moving company with fall starts
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Speaker 8 (20:43):
Join us again for another famous moment, stupid gas offense.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
It's a very cool game, the game of professional football.
A week ago you were chatting with the next guest
about a big victory on the road against the Lions. Today, unfortunately,
we got to do the post mortem on a disappointing
loss at home twenty seven to nineteen to the Baltimore Ravens.
Adam Thielen joins us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline,
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as he does every week.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Thanks again for the time, sir. Where do we begin?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I guess eight fallse starts has got to be. That
must have been a big topic of or will be
I assume a big topic of conversation internally, because I
know you guys break everything down. Do you have any
working theories on what might have precipitated that extraordinary number
for the home team? You know, obviously in this case
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your club being the home team.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
No, we we we definitely obviously it was a big
topic today in the offensive meeting, just kind of going
over the game and and really you really look at
that game and a lot of those penalties came in
short yardage, you know, after an explosive run or maybe
a first and ten after after a earn first down,
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like such momentum kind of areas that those happened and
really put us behind the sticks to start that next
play where where it's it's you kind of look at
those players like, man, what if, right, what if we
wouldn't have had those false starts, what would have those
drives look like? And what would this game look like?
But at the end of the day, it's something you
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got to fix, you got to clean up, and you
got to figure out what was going on. I felt
like our leadership did a great job of kind of
addressing it, talking about it, and then kind of putting
in action steps of Okay, there there's a lot of different
reasons on each one of them. They kind of had
their own story of why this or that happened. But
let's let's talk about what it looks like to be
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a clean football team, and let's kind of go back
to the basis of what that looks like, communication, understanding
the plan, really just being prepared and ready. There's so
many factors that lead into those pre snap penalties that
it's not just oh shoot, I didn't know the snap count.
You know, there's there's a lot going on. So yeah,
I think it was good to just be able to
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address that, talk about it, and move forward.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
So, you know, the obviously wiley quarterbacks can use inflection
cadence the attempt. The hope is you end up catching
the other team, right, the road team certainly jumping and
then you get at very least five yards and you
might even get a free play as well. Is there
such a thing as the case because this is this
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is a quarterback who hasn't played as much that the
in the in the way that QB emphasizes the hut
hut or whatever, the cadence that that can be confusing
because we saw a lot of people on your offense
ordinarily don't jump that we're all kind of jumping.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Can that be part of it?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Is understanding exactly the cadence that's coming or misunderstanding the cadence,
the emphasis that's coming from the QB, from your own QB.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah, I think there's just so many factors, you know,
I think I think, yeah, definitely that that I absolutely
can be the case. I think there's also you know,
sometimes they give us a look that may be an
unscouted look, and and the and the quarterbacks got to
kind of hold the can or the kill to the
next play a little bit longer. When when those those guys,
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the big guys are in their stance and for a
long period of time, it makes it tough on them.
So I think, uh, there's there's really no one particular
area to blame. I think it's just you know, sometimes
it's just focus, right, Sometimes it's just you're tired, You're
you're thinking about maybe two plays in your head. There's
a lot going on. Uh, you just had a big play,
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So there's momentum, there's there's a little bit of crowd noise,
there's there's so many factors that lead into it, and
at the end of the day, you got to work
on all of them, right. I think I think coach
did a great job, and I'm not gonna get in
the exact details, but he kind of went over like
five different steps of like, okay, yes, like could the
quarterback do a better job of being quicker with the
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cans and the kills and and those things, Yeah, for sure,
And we do a better job of focusing and understanding
the plan and understanding when we're gonna can versus different
different looks. You know, there's kind of a five six
steps that it's going to take to really clean that up.
And sometimes it's just it's just somebody, you know, again,
being tired and not focused on the snap count and
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you have a brain part. You know, that happens too,
But unfortunately we happened in a lot of different cases,
by a lot of different groups, so that can't happen.
I viewed.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I want I'm curious to get your opinion on this.
I thought the game, from your guys perspective, was lost
in the first half. I thought, obviously the first drive
was terrific. After three and out for them, they to me,
didn't look really I didn't think Lamar looked particularly dynamic
through the early part of the game. Their run game
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that I thought your defense was doing a pretty good job.
And yet I look up at the scoreboard after that
late gift and a halftime, it's ten to nine.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You're still ahead, but it's one.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
It felt to me like, you know, how this game goes,
you sort of have to get it going, take advantage
when a game is going your way. And I thought,
you know, I felt, on the basis of what i'd seen,
you guys should have been up ten at the half,
and who knows what happens at that point because there's
still another half to play, but it felt like you
should have been further ahead by halftime.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
What did you see? What did you think?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Yeah? I feel like that's what makes games like that
even more frustrating. On Monday, made you feel like, there's
so many opportunities. Our defense played absolutely fantastic and really
give us a lot of great opportunities. And when they're
playing that good and against a really good offense and
a and an MVP quarterback in the past, you you
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got to take advantage of it. And I feel I
understand where you're coming from where you kind of feel like, man,
that was a rough first half. But but again, you
go into a locker room and you're at one point, yeah,
you know, you're you're winning the football game. Even if
you're tied after that half, you're you're you're probably looking
at it as a group and being like, we didn't
play our best football. We kind of handed them a
lot of things, and we're still leading or tied, right
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and so you have to take advantage of that as well.
But uh, this game is a crazy game, and momentum
can be tough. It can be tough to reattain. And
when you get momentum, I think we talked about it
after the win last week, it's like you got to
arrive this momentum and really take advantage of it and
keep it going. Otherwise, once it turns the other way,
it's tough to get it back. So we got to
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find a way to turn the tide and find the
momentum and stick with it and be consistent, which is
a bet on biggest problem as a team uh so
far this year, just consistently putting on the stuff, putting
on tape. Who we are as an offense, as the defense,
social teams, as a as a team as a whole.
So we got to find that consistency.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
The You know, Justin had a number of interesting things
to say after the game, including a belief that he
needed to do more. He needed to help out the
young quarterback more, he needed to fight through some of
the physicality of the u of of the Ravens defensive
backs and that it felt from Afar as if they
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were stretches. There were some times where he was he
was frustrated. Now you know this better than most that
a lot of the coverage generally is going to be
sent his way. So can you speak to that a
little bit. What did you see from from JJ? I
think he thought. I certainly thought the pass right around
the end zone was catchable and one that he usually
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is going to catch. I thought that was a pretty
damn good throw. Actually, by by by your quarterback, JJ McCarthy,
What did you see from him and are there times
where he, like even with his star status, needs to
fight through some of that some of that frustration.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Yeah, I'll say this is certain. It is frustration is
part of this game and what makes it so great.
You know, it's hard to have success, to sustain success, success,
to have it every quarter, every half, or every game.
It's it's hard to do. And as a competitor, as
a perfectionist, which a lot of us are, to be
able to get to this point, it can be frustrating
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at times. And not to say that that that means
that you should be frustrated, but it's going to happen,
and and it's part of the game. So you have
to as a as a player, and he knows that
you have to find a way to handle that frustration
and use it to motivate you and to drive you
to get back out there and and and be at
your best in the next next play. But I will
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say that that guy's a phenomenal leader and a lot
of trust and faith in that locker room of him
as a leader, not just as a star football players.
So he is one of the most accountable people that
I've ever been around. He takes accountability and the next
week he figures it out and he finds a way
to be better. So thankful for him to be part
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of our team. And I know that the quarterback room
and the play guard has the most confidence in the
world with that guy, so excited to see what he
does next week.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
You know it has to be.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
It's the interesting One of the interesting I think elements
of this season is that this team, you could argue
on the basis of a lot of the moves that
were made in the offseason and coming off the fourteen
and three season last.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Year, one wants still wants, obviously.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
To make another run or be in the middle of
the playoff race, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And yet you're trying to do it with a young QB.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
And you look at any of these quarterbacks, they need time, right,
I mean most of them. There's a rare exception where
a guy walks in and is brilliant from the very
first game, but generally there's going to be there's going
to be downs. And that's part of what I guess
all of you guys have to deal with, is that
if you can thread the needle of still trying to
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win games stay vital this season, and yet still give
JJ the opportunity to be patient with him regarding, like
we say, some we saw in this game. There were
some great throws he made, especially early, and then there
were some where he was not very accurate. That's the
challenge this year, right, because often, as you know, when
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young quarterbacks are thrown in there, they're thrown into teams
that aren't very good, right, and there's no expectation. So
to me, he's facing significant expectations immediately, just because everybody's
spoiled in the organization by what the team did as
recently as last year.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, for sure. And I think that's the way that
they built this team. They built it to be able
to handle that, right, to be able to put a
lot of veterans, a lot of skill guys offensive line,
a phenomenal defense, a special teams unit that we have
a lot of faith and trust him that's going to
give us great field position. And so that's why this
team was built the way it was. And so we
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all have to do our part to take pressure off
a young guy who's battling his butt off and as
tough as it gets he's a gamer, and we have
a lot of beliefs in faith with him. But we
all have to do our job and not do more
than our job, right. I think a lot of times
when things aren't going our way as an offense, I
think there's a tendency to want to do more and
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to go maybe try to make a play and go
out of just doing your job. And it always, it
always is happening. You know. I'm thirteen, thirteenth year in
this league, and I've been there right that where you
just try to do too much and you kind of
go out of out of the confinement of the of
the playbook or or of the play that's called. And
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I think we all need to just focus on just
doing our job. And I think when you do that
and you have a young guy confidence, especially a guy
like JJ who who is, like I said, he's a
gamer and he's got a lot of confidence himself. When
you kind of just do the little things and and
you get you make some plays for him, I think
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his confidence just goes through the roof and really plays
at a high level. So at the end of the day,
it's it's about the guys around him to be able
to do their job to really allow him to go
through some of those growing pains, but also to be
at the best.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
All right, So you had one very animated session where
I think in your case, it ended up being a
penalty that was declined that you did not believe was
a penalty at all. Tell me what happened on that play,
because on the on the TV they ultimately went to
the you know, their officiating guy. I think it was Pereira,
wasn't it, I think in this case, and he said
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he believed it was the right call. Do you do
you feel any differently about it or any less animated
about it than you did during the game.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it
didn't matter because we didn't replete the past, so I
probably shouldn't have been an animated as I was. But
I think it's just frustrating as a player when you
kind of when the rest kind of take a rule
that that and they kind of you don't necessarily understand
the football side of it. You know, it's kind of
like a technicality of the rule. But if you really
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just understand football and you watch that play knowing the
fact that I didn't go in there and try to
kill the guy, which I which I very easily could have.
You know, that was a design play. I was supposed
to go. If he's within a yard a line of scrimmage,
I can go and pick him or or hit him
and to take him off his man player. And it's
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a man play that that we have designed, right, And
so I felt like I did everything to the playbook
or to the rule book, and I didn't initiate contact.
I waited for him to come to me and and
stopped him right there. And I think it was a
little bit dramatic of you know, because he didn't see
me that he kind of felt the way he did
(35:03):
and it probably looked worse than it was. But again,
I think the frustrating thing as a player is sometimes
as you these refs don't really understand football, and like
you're not if he knew, if he really understood football
and what that's like, I could have I could have
cleaned him out, and I didn't, So it shouldn't have
been a flag. But at the end of the day,
you can't get animated about that. You know it is
(35:24):
what it is, and got to move on to the
next one. Did you try to I think the frustrations
of the game that kind of happened.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Gotcha sorry about that, did you?
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I mean, I don't know if there's ever a chance
after a game, if refs are off the field fast.
I know it's probably not at the top of the
list of things you're gonna do. But do you ever
have conversations after or have the opportunity to to you know,
out of the heat of the moment, to talk to
to refs where they say, all right, let's you know,
maybe we'll reconsider that, or maybe I misinterpreted that, or
(35:54):
maybe you got you had a point or whatever.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Does that ever happen with you?
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Yeah? Yeah, I was able to go up to match
the game and apologize for you know, being uh, you know,
yelling at him on the on the field like that.
But I just kind of just apologized and and said,
you know, I felt like I didn't you know, hit
him with the excessive force. You know, I guess the
blindside block, and the rule book is within a yard
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line scrimmage, you can you can pick that guy. And
so he kind of said, yeah, you know, I'm gonna
we're gonna get more clarification on that rule because I
don't know, if we handle that perfect way, and maybe
and maybe they did. Maybe that's that's just how they
want it called, and and that's fine. Uh. I think
it's just getting that clarification. But you know, at the
end of the day, I can't I can't lose my
(36:40):
cool on a ref like they're They're trying to do
their job as well. But again there's that kind of
that frustration of of you know, really understanding what what
the game looks like and when something is really should
be called and shouldn't. But those guys do a great
job of of, you know, being hard on themselves. They
get they get graded out, and they look at every
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single one of those players as rest as well. So
we'll see what they say as far as the clarification
on that.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
As you know, there is no time to wallow. You've
got a game again Sunday and it's a division game
and don't look now, but the Bears are sitting there
at six and three this season under their first year
coach Ben Johnson. They've shown think've had they have four
final minute come from behind drives to win games, so
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something different is going on there. They've not played the
greatest schedule early, but they've won the game. So you guys, again,
I mean, I don't know if you think of it
this way, but you're back under five hundred and four
and five, you're about to go on a couple of
games road trip afterwards, so it must wins are maybe
the wrong way to talk about it, but this is
a pretty damn big game on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Is it not for your fortunes?
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yeah? I mean I feel like in this league every
win is the must win, and it feels that way
on Mondays, right, And whether you win or lose, it
feels like, man, either you kind of get the sigh relief, okay,
we got the dub or you have this like ache
in you that you just want to get back out
there and and you know it's tough to lose games
this league. But yeah, I say that. All say it's like, yeah,
(38:11):
it's a huge game. We're excited to get back at home.
We haven't played particularly well at home and our record's
not great, so we're excited to get back in front
of our fans back on Sunday and just just show
them what we really are about. You know, we got
to go and prove that we can't just talk about
oh we got this fixed, or we got this covered,
or if we could have just done this better, we
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have to go out there and prove that. So just
trying to get to Sunday, you know, and prepare in
a way that that helps us to go and execute.
I think when you have games like you had on Sunday,
it makes you realize how important that preparation is and
how walked in you got to be in every single
you know, rep, whether it's a walk through, a jogged through,
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or a live, full speed rep against the scout team,
like how important those reps are. And sometimes you get
in the monotony of the season and you kind of
just go through the motions and you're not trying to
but that's just kind of how it happens. And losses
like that make you realize, like, like you got to
really take advantage of every single opportunity you have leading
up for preparation because then those things don't happen when
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you prepare the right way. So that's what our focus is.
And like I said, are excited to get back at
us Bank, but it's it's definitely not going to be
a walk in the park. It's a really good football team.
Who's only getting better, especially since the first time we
play them, they've gotten a heck of a lot better
under a new coaching staff. So we'll be a great
test for us and we'll see what we're made of.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Thank you, Adam. We'll chat next week. Appreciate it all right,
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Adam Feelin is the Vikings wide receiver who joins us
weekly during the uneven as he even is willing to
admit and fading the obvious twenty twenty five football season
for your Minnesota Vikings Brashawn Brian Kafan text line is
open as it has been throughout the program at six
four six eighty six. We've got a lot of good
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Vikings talking points to get to. Do you think his
voice was a little raspy from yelling at it might
have been he was he was, he was animated. I
I guess I had not realized that he'd apologized after,
which is probably a smart move, probably the judicious thing
to do, you know, and they maybe even you gain
you gain a little ground in that regard, and maybe
(40:20):
you get a little bit more information. I I don't
know the rule well enough to know because part of
the debate was well that's only supposed to that's not
so he called when it comes from the side.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
It's supposed to be called when.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
You're going in the the the other direction is the
way the TV people put it. So even they wondered
before Perera got in it, that's what they wondered, because
this was at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Line, so this was kind of going sideways. One could say.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Pereira was was very clear that there's nothing to think
about here.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm going to assume he's right. I have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I do think I get Deland's point that it probably
looked worse than it was the way he went down. Yeah,
and in a lot of times anymore, that's what reffs
are responding to, right for sure, the look of oh,
this looks bad, This looks like a criminal act of
some sort that could have cleaned him Moud He said, yes,
like that later, which is true.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
I don't think he tried to do that. But it's
interesting though that you'd even have a play that calls
for that that would Yeah, they can be so interpreted. Yes,
where Pereira says it's cutting dry feel and saying, look,
that's not what it was. I assume the offensive staff
knows what they're trying to do there. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Well, as he pointed out, the moral of the story is,
and this kind of tells the story of the game.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
It didn't matter because we didn't convert, right.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah, So they they were more than willing to decline
the penalty because the Vikings didn't make the play when
they needed to make the play. That'll be part of
the emphasis when we come back with some Vikings talking
points for sure, and maybe we even get to one
with Johnny Athletic, who's going to join at four h two.
Ben Lieber is scheduled for four to forty seven, and
(42:02):
thrifty Traveler Guy Kyle Potter on the current state of
domestic and international air travel out of the United States
of America is five point thirty this evening. Even with
signs that there might be a breakthrough and the so
called lockout might end, then there's still I guess a
(42:24):
lot of bumps on the road for air travel for
quite some time. And he'll get into the percentages of
number of flights that have been postponed or canceled and
how long that's going to go on, and the longer
term ramifications of it as well, and as I mentioned,
we'll take a look. There's some interesting texts that have
come in again from the Macbobos who don't want to live.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
In twenty twenty five reality. They just don't.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
They and I get it because they want to root
for their guys so much, and they believe this is
going to be the guy, and they don't want to
listen to any sort of pushback or criticism on this
guy actually when.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
He's played as little as he has.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
But I'm going to warn them of something I told
them back in late August and September that they obviously
didn't want to believe, but that it remains, I think
as true today as it was when we talked about
it back then.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
No famous moments en up a gas offense. First in
ten Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
He is.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Under center, his cadence may fall start.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Offense and B eighty five five yard penalty is first down.
Speaker 7 (43:33):
That's the third procedure of the third fall Star penalty
against the Moving Company today.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
First in fifteen, This game's about mistakes.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
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Speaker 4 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Before the snap right, all start by the center. It's
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Speaker 5 (00:38):
It started down, Yes, three and a half hours, three
and a half hour tour.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Did I start too soon? All start? Maybe I started?
This is a little too early today? Is that possible?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I thought of could I get him to do that?
This is like five times in a row. But then
I don't want you to lose your voice, so that
could be bad. We could start the show now, be
you sure?
Speaker 6 (01:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I did three of them. That's enough. That's close enough.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
We'll hear more later. That's the beauty shadowing. That's guardsy.
The producer of the show.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
My name is Dan Barrero, former Ringsteine Ratch newspaper of
the Twin Cities and host of What We Like To
affectionately refer to occasionally as the afternoon ardvark On.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
What is I guess the last cold day we're gonna
have in a while?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I think we're back in the fifties the rest of
this week, after a bit of a chill in the
air over the weekend here in the Twin cities of
Minneapolis and Saint Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
My, oh my.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Last week we were celebrating singing the Candyman song, reminding
us of the just the beautiful lyrics of that tune.
Who can take a sunrise, sprinkle it with dew, cover
it with chocolate, and a miracle or two? The Candyman can.
(02:02):
He mixes it with love and makes the world taste good.
The world tasted the football world tasted so scrumptious a
week ago?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Sounded better a week ago, did it not?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Bo We come to find out the Candyman has a
cruel side, and we saw the other end of it
yesterday at the People Stadium in downtown Minneapolis. We were
reminded of the yin of it. No, I guess it'll
be the yang of it. The yen was last week.
This is the yang that reminds us of the startling
(02:38):
contrasts in football emotions. For your average sports room, in
this case, your average Vikings fan, it didn't go very
well after a promising start. Maybe that added to the
cruelty for your favorite football team. Twenty seven to nineteen
ultimately was the final score, and I guess it's fair
(03:01):
to say I probably owe a lot of the national
pundits an apology. I'd mentioned on the Sermons program that
I thought people were making it seem as if the
Vikings winning this game at home was going to be
the upset of the century. I had Blake Moore look
nationally to follow up on my own unofficial view of
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national predictions from the various big sites, and I think,
out of like I don't know, thirty or forty predictors,
we found literally one that picked the Vikings. And I thought,
I get it. The quarterbacks back for Baltimore. They're good,
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or they have been good. There's high hopes for them,
but they they'd beaten the Bears and the Dolphins, and
I said, I just don't believe this would should have
to be the upset of the century. Well maybe it
would have been the upsod of the century in the
basis of what we saw I don't exactly know, because
most of those pundits turned out to be one hundred
(04:08):
percent right, and I guess I'm I'm pretty sure I
had another zero to three week. My pick sensibility just
been brutal, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Brutal, and.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I We've got a lot of good Vikings talking points
to get to today. Guards he's put together some other
sound that may be part of the occasion. You heard
some of it already. We got an outstanding array of
guests today that will which will include we think Adam
Feeling at three thirty, Johnny Athletic at four oh two,
(04:47):
Nacho Lebra four forty seven, and then our old friend
from their thrifty traveler, Kyle Potter.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
By the offense number seventy five. There it is.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And so we are going to deviate a little bit.
I mean, maybe he'll want to talk Vikings. I'm not sure,
but I've had a lot of people asking whether we're
going to have Kyle on soon regarding the degree of
chaos for the aviation industry right now. I know we're
allegedly on the verge of a breakthrough regarding the shutdown,
but I'm told that even if that does go through,
that there will still be a ripple effect for a
(05:21):
while in the aviation industry. And I know many of
you travel as well. So Kyle's going to join us.
It's scheduled to join us at five point thirty. I
think I've asked you this before, and I don't know
if you've ever settled it. Do we have any ping
(05:42):
pong tables that the players can use over the course
of a day, because if we do, I think it's
time to take the.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Ping pong tables out. Oh take them out, take them out? Oh,
maybe bring them in? No, no, no, no, I'm assuming
we have them. I'm assuming we have everything. Yeah, I'm
sure we got Papa shot baskets there. I'm guessing every
possible toy fun game that any you know program could have,
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any the National Football League team would have, we've got
it there.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I think we need to rip them all out of
there right now. I don't think we've earned any of that.
We're sitting here under We're two games behind the Bears.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
He makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
And now for the second week seven, second time in
three weeks, we're facing a must win again.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
We're back to must win, right. You can't lose to
the Bears.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
No, now loose the Bears at home, then you're two
games under five hundred, going on the road to what
is it next? Seattle in Green Bay? Green Bay, then
Seattle Bay first, then Seattle. Come on, what are we
talking about here? And I gotta be honest, I first
have I felt very good about my pick, not just
(07:02):
because of the way the Vikings came out early after.
You know, Baltimore looked Baltimore to me, the first half
looked utterly bored with being there. They did not look
into it. They looked like a team that was ready
to be beaten. Quite frankly, I didn't think Jackson looked dynamic.
I didn't think he looked that impressive. I don't think
any about the Ravens looked that good. But our problem
(07:24):
was we didn't build a lead we should have. We
needed to be up in that game minimum ten yep
at the half, and what we end up being up
ten nine? Yeah, because we gave him a tree late
as well. That to me told the ball game first half.
I think the Ravens were ready to be beaten. And
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the Ravens probably had more on the table than we
did given their record. You know that they have. You
can argue they can't lose any more games. But they
didn't look that interested, or they didn't look that committed,
or they didn't look that good. And I'm sure it
was the kind of deal of well we haven't. I
don't know what Harbas said to his team at halftime,
but he could have done the cliched. Guys, we stunk
(08:07):
up much of that first half, but look at the scoreboard.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
We're down one.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
We take care of business on this first drive, and
Koc helped to make sure that the Ravens did, We're
gonna be fine in this game. Let's go and win
the damn thing. They're gonna make it that available to
let's win it.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And sure enough, second half, the Ravens took care of business.
They started running the ball better, they had just enough
good pass plays, they got help from us. Yep, we
give a couple of key areas and they end up
winning it. Would I say twenty seven nineteen? Yes, we
got the touchdown. Then we did the old we're gonna
go The chart says go for two, which I hate,
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but we did and we did get the ball back right,
but ultimately did not have enough time enough opportunity to
do much of anything with it. So a we talked
about it all week. It's stating the obvious that we
were all you know, we were all bloated out all
(09:11):
that candy after the Lions game. But what we knew
was that if we didn't show some discipline back off
the chunkies for a couple of days, it really wasn't
going to matter how good we felt eaten all that
candy on last Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday in it,
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you know, sort of in the aftermath of that kind
of victory. It was all going to depend on what
we did with that opportunity. And I'll say again, I
don't think the Ravens looked unbeatable at key points to
that ball game, but we didn't ultimately even come close
to winning the thing. So here we are back with
I think one step closer to the reality, the realization
(09:54):
that we might just have.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
To be one of these cute little clubs that.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Surprises people one week to the good and then turns
around and surprises people to the bat at home where
we're having difficulty winning.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Have we won any games at home this year?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
We beat Cincinnati, Oh, that's right because of the nine
defensive touchdowns in the first half.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
That's it. But that's it.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
We lost to Atlanta, we lost to Philly, and yesterday
we lost to the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Oh, that's not going to get it done, is it. No,
not with our road schedule, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
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The surging Wild win two in a row, including a
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about the last place Vikings No famous moments.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Enough kick gas offense.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Minnesota three or four on third down, third and eight
from the Ravens thirty one, Hockinson in motion to the
right of McCarthy. Three receivers right, one left, snap play stoppage.
Seawan Hocky Lee stap throws flags.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Before the snap fall start by the center. It's a
five yard penalty, it's third down.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
It's play Brandell in his sixth star, make that his
fifth start, and there must be something that he's doing
with the football before the snap.
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Join us again for another famous moments en up kick
gas offense.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Six five.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
One guy asks, why is the Bears game a must
win to accomplish what exactly?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That's a fair question.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Maybe implicit in the question, he's saying, why are you
pretending anything is at stake? And and that's understandable when
you've meandered the way the Vikings have meandered this year.
I'm going under the assumption that the Vikings internally still
want to at least believe they have a chance to
make themselves make themselves vital in the playoff chase this year.
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And if that's their intent, I think falling to when
then we would be what four and six? We'd be
four and six heading to starting a two game road
trip that becomes fairly untenable. He may be right, if
he was being stark. I'm not here to tell you
that we're on you know, we're in a good position
to make any kind of a playoff run at this point.
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But given it's a division opponent, and given you've dropped
back under five hundred, and given the game is at home,
I just don't think you give yourself at that point
much margin for air. Now again, you could say, well
but what if we go on the road and win
to in a row Dan, then change Then things would
probably change at least, but even that is like, well
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then you're back to that's what's odd. Then you'd be
back to five hundred, right, And I don't think it's
the kind of year where nine and eight is going
to get you in.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I don't believe.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I mean, right now, the Bears are in the final
playoff spot at six and.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Three, and the Bears are about to embark on a
more difficult part of their schedule. They've had both very
soft schedule, but they have I mean, at some point
if you I keep demigrating them, but if you keep
finishing games the way they have, admittedly against bad teams,
but finding you know, comeback victories in pretty dramatic fashion,
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then you know you have to at least get started.
You're in the mix at the very least, even if
I don't think anybody views the Bears as a serious
team to make much of a playoff run, one would say,
we got a lot of good vikings talking points, but
I want to try to stay on the clock, so
I will save pretty much all of those that Guardsy
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has has put together one of the more interesting sidebars,
and it is related to a talking point.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
But well, well, you know what, Let's go ahead and
play it real quick.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Let's go ahead, come on, JJ, Let's go second and
fifteen from the twenty five of the Ravens. Two receivers right,
one left. McCarthy out of the shotgun, four man rush.
JJ steps up in the pocket to the.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
End zone complate.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Justin Jefferson, the intended receiver Andy was covered by a
low heat Gilman. That's six year safety from Notre Dame.
Nice passed by McCarthy eighteen. Couldn't bring it in. Now
it's third down. Now it was a middle open. JJ
tried to run the post. That ball was really put
right on the money. That's what actually we passed. Actually
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went through the hands of Justin Jefferson. That's one he
should have come down with it.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Ursus is right.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
The headline for that talking point was c c as in,
Chris Carter makes that catch. Ordinarily Justin Jefferson makes that catch.
But he didn't, and it's opened the door. It's an
interesting post mortem. And we'll talk about this with Johnny
Athletic because he made it really the point of his
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whole column that's available via The Athletic today or last
night whenever it dropped that there were some troubling aspects
to not JJ McConnell. Yeah, JJ McCarthy's performance for sure. Yeah,
but for JJ with Justin Jefferson as well having to
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do with.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
That.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
That's a catch he's got to make.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's not I wouldn't call the ball perfectly thrown like
Pete did, but it was thrown well enough on a
timing route that he's got to make the catch. I
think that's a catch that I think even Jefferson agreed.
He's he's got to help his quarterback. Doesn't matter if
he's a young quarterback or an old quarterback, whoever his
quarterback is, he's got to make that play. The coverage
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wasn't horrible, but that's a catch he's ordinarily going to make.
The larger issue that's getting more national attention is the
video that looks worse on the interception right where the
one where he stumbled was that the one there were two.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, there were two to him, but the third and
one as the one people are talking about the deep point.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Regarding Yeah, regarding his reaction, he didn't seem particularly interested
in pursuing becoming a defender at that.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Point, which is odd.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I mean, the truth is we often see offensive players
pretend to try to tackle somebody. I don't think he's
the first to fall into that classification, but it's it
didn't feel good, It didn't feel like competitor.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Guy didn't look good, didn't look like Jets.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
But the alter ego, to be honest, the yeah, because
everybody's got to have an alter ego.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
We know that it was the player on the end zone.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
To me, that's where he really could have helped out
his his QB. I am not in the group because
there are a lot of people who are offended, like, well,
you know, Jefferson, you don't you have to do a
better job of getting the ball. Well, they try to
get him the ball, and there are a number of
inaccurate passes by McCarthy and beyond that another receiver. If
another receiver is dominating to the degree that Naylor was,
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and that's okay, the idea that you're going to get
that you should like lose your mind over. But JJ's
supposed to be the guy. There are stretches in a
game where it doesn't matter who's supposed to be the guy,
that the ball's getting somewhere, and in Naylor's case, it
got there a lot effectively. Unfortunately, the accuracy from McCarthy
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was awful for most of the passes to Justin Jefferson
and a to who's our other receiver, Jordan Arron Assen.
That was not helpful either. So was that combination of things.
Where were you on the interception reaction?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I just think it goes into the pot of I
didn't like his vibe all day. I didn't think he
had a very good vibe much of the day at all,
and that was concerning because he is not That might
be the only time I ever remember him seeming that down.
I don't even know if disinterested or disengaged, or people
were saying he's not into it. I just think he
was down because I do think when he breaks open,
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like on the one pass out to the right and
there's no one within six yards of him, and the
ball goes into the third row over his head. I
have to imagine that's frustrating. As much as he wants
to be a team guy and say it doesn't matter
who my quarterback is. I've caught a thousand yards with
fifty different quarterbacks. I do think there's probably a cumulative
weight here that he hasn't had the season he's wanted
to have, and when easy pitching catches like that don't happen,
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I just think it messes with his body language.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
And one of them ended up being down by contact
anyway where he didn't respond correct. Yeah, I think it was,
Sir Jefferson. Yeah, so did Jefferson mention. I mean, we
have to factor that into the thing. Here's my bigger
problem with Justin yesterday was, you know, again, I thought
he got a pass interference call he didn't even deserve.
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Quite frankly, I thought the one he ended up getting
was very iffy. A TV didn't, but I did. And
he looked like to me, he was in that mode
where that's what he was constantly waiting for is to
get bailed out.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
And you know, he even said it.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
He has to fight through the physicality a lot better
than he did, and there are times where he does
not fight through physicality very effectively. He just didn't seem
That's why if I'm a defensive back, that's what I'm doing.
I'm in his face as much as I can be
because I know what damage he otherwise can do. All right,
let's try to stay on schedule. We will talk to
another Vikings wide receiver, Adam Thielen. That's coming up next,
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Johnny Athletic, Ben Lieber, and Kyle Potter before we wrap
things up on what's gonna be a very busy program.
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No famous moments. Spin up a gas offense.
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Straight i Ahaid McCarthy, c J Hammond in front of
Aaron Jones.
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But fall start by the offense number seventy five, five
yard penalty, second.
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Down, two fists of the moving company with fall starts
first and fifteen.
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Join us again for another famous moment, stupid gas offense.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
It's a very cool game, the game of professional football.
A week ago you were chatting with the next guest
about a big victory on the road against the Lions. Today, unfortunately,
we got to do the post mortem on a disappointing
loss at home twenty seven to nineteen to the Baltimore Ravens.
Adam Thielen joins us via the Connectico Water Systems hotline,
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as he does every week.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Thanks again for the time, sir. Where do we begin?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I guess eight fallse starts has got to be. That
must have been a big topic of or will be
I assume a big topic of conversation internally, because I
know you guys break everything down. Do you have any
working theories on what might have precipitated that extraordinary number
for the home team? You know, obviously in this case
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your club being the home team.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
No, we we we definitely obviously it was a big
topic today in the offensive meeting, just kind of going
over the game and and really you really look at
that game and a lot of those penalties came in
short yardage, you know, after an explosive run or maybe
a first and ten after after a earn first down,
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like such momentum kind of areas that those happened and
really put us behind the sticks to start that next
play where where it's it's you kind of look at
those players like, man, what if, right, what if we
wouldn't have had those false starts, what would have those
drives look like? And what would this game look like?
But at the end of the day, it's something you
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got to fix, you got to clean up, and you
got to figure out what was going on. I felt
like our leadership did a great job of kind of
addressing it, talking about it, and then kind of putting
in action steps of Okay, there there's a lot of different
reasons on each one of them. They kind of had
their own story of why this or that happened. But
let's let's talk about what it looks like to be
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a clean football team, and let's kind of go back
to the basis of what that looks like, communication, understanding
the plan, really just being prepared and ready. There's so
many factors that lead into those pre snap penalties that
it's not just oh shoot, I didn't know the snap count.
You know, there's there's a lot going on. So yeah,
I think it was good to just be able to
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address that, talk about it, and move forward.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
So, you know, the obviously wiley quarterbacks can use inflection
cadence the attempt. The hope is you end up catching
the other team, right, the road team certainly jumping and
then you get at very least five yards and you
might even get a free play as well. Is there
such a thing as the case because this is this
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is a quarterback who hasn't played as much that the
in the in the way that QB emphasizes the hut
hut or whatever, the cadence that that can be confusing
because we saw a lot of people on your offense
ordinarily don't jump that we're all kind of jumping.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Can that be part of it?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Is understanding exactly the cadence that's coming or misunderstanding the cadence,
the emphasis that's coming from the QB, from your own QB.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Yeah, I think there's just so many factors, you know,
I think I think, yeah, definitely that that I absolutely
can be the case. I think there's also you know,
sometimes they give us a look that may be an
unscouted look, and and the and the quarterbacks got to
kind of hold the can or the kill to the
next play a little bit longer. When when those those guys,
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the big guys are in their stance and for a
long period of time, it makes it tough on them.
So I think, uh, there's there's really no one particular
area to blame. I think it's just you know, sometimes
it's just focus, right, Sometimes it's just you're tired, You're
you're thinking about maybe two plays in your head. There's
a lot going on. Uh, you just had a big play,
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So there's momentum, there's there's a little bit of crowd noise,
there's there's so many factors that lead into it, and
at the end of the day, you got to work
on all of them, right. I think I think coach
did a great job, and I'm not gonna get in
the exact details, but he kind of went over like
five different steps of like, okay, yes, like could the
quarterback do a better job of being quicker with the
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cans and the kills and and those things, Yeah, for sure,
And we do a better job of focusing and understanding
the plan and understanding when we're gonna can versus different
different looks. You know, there's kind of a five six
steps that it's going to take to really clean that up.
And sometimes it's just it's just somebody, you know, again,
being tired and not focused on the snap count and
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you have a brain part. You know, that happens too,
But unfortunately we happened in a lot of different cases,
by a lot of different groups, so that can't happen.
I viewed.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I want I'm curious to get your opinion on this.
I thought the game, from your guys perspective, was lost
in the first half. I thought, obviously the first drive
was terrific. After three and out for them, they to me,
didn't look really I didn't think Lamar looked particularly dynamic
through the early part of the game. Their run game
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that I thought your defense was doing a pretty good job.
And yet I look up at the scoreboard after that
late gift and a halftime, it's ten to nine.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
You're still ahead, but it's one.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
It felt to me like, you know, how this game goes,
you sort of have to get it going, take advantage
when a game is going your way. And I thought,
you know, I felt, on the basis of what i'd seen,
you guys should have been up ten at the half,
and who knows what happens at that point because there's
still another half to play, but it felt like you
should have been further ahead by halftime.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
What did you see? What did you think?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Yeah? I feel like that's what makes games like that
even more frustrating. On Monday, made you feel like, there's
so many opportunities. Our defense played absolutely fantastic and really
give us a lot of great opportunities. And when they're
playing that good and against a really good offense and
a and an MVP quarterback in the past, you you
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got to take advantage of it. And I feel I
understand where you're coming from where you kind of feel like, man,
that was a rough first half. But but again, you
go into a locker room and you're at one point, yeah,
you know, you're you're winning the football game. Even if
you're tied after that half, you're you're you're probably looking
at it as a group and being like, we didn't
play our best football. We kind of handed them a
lot of things, and we're still leading or tied, right
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and so you have to take advantage of that as well.
But uh, this game is a crazy game, and momentum
can be tough. It can be tough to reattain. And
when you get momentum, I think we talked about it
after the win last week, it's like you got to
arrive this momentum and really take advantage of it and
keep it going. Otherwise, once it turns the other way,
it's tough to get it back. So we got to
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find a way to turn the tide and find the
momentum and stick with it and be consistent, which is
a bet on biggest problem as a team uh so
far this year, just consistently putting on the stuff, putting
on tape. Who we are as an offense, as the defense,
social teams, as a as a team as a whole.
So we got to find that consistency.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
The You know, Justin had a number of interesting things
to say after the game, including a belief that he
needed to do more. He needed to help out the
young quarterback more, he needed to fight through some of
the physicality of the u of of the Ravens defensive
backs and that it felt from Afar as if they
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were stretches. There were some times where he was he
was frustrated. Now you know this better than most that
a lot of the coverage generally is going to be
sent his way. So can you speak to that a
little bit. What did you see from from JJ? I
think he thought. I certainly thought the pass right around
the end zone was catchable and one that he usually
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is going to catch. I thought that was a pretty
damn good throw. Actually, by by by your quarterback, JJ McCarthy,
What did you see from him and are there times
where he, like even with his star status, needs to
fight through some of that some of that frustration.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Yeah, I'll say this is certain. It is frustration is
part of this game and what makes it so great.
You know, it's hard to have success, to sustain success, success,
to have it every quarter, every half, or every game.
It's it's hard to do. And as a competitor, as
a perfectionist, which a lot of us are, to be
able to get to this point, it can be frustrating
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at times. And not to say that that that means
that you should be frustrated, but it's going to happen,
and and it's part of the game. So you have
to as a as a player, and he knows that
you have to find a way to handle that frustration
and use it to motivate you and to drive you
to get back out there and and and be at
your best in the next next play. But I will
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say that that guy's a phenomenal leader and a lot
of trust and faith in that locker room of him
as a leader, not just as a star football players.
So he is one of the most accountable people that
I've ever been around. He takes accountability and the next
week he figures it out and he finds a way
to be better. So thankful for him to be part
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of our team. And I know that the quarterback room
and the play guard has the most confidence in the
world with that guy, so excited to see what he
does next week.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
You know it has to be.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
It's the interesting One of the interesting I think elements
of this season is that this team, you could argue
on the basis of a lot of the moves that
were made in the offseason and coming off the fourteen
and three season last.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Year, one wants still wants, obviously.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
To make another run or be in the middle of
the playoff race, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
And yet you're trying to do it with a young QB.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
And you look at any of these quarterbacks, they need time, right,
I mean most of them. There's a rare exception where
a guy walks in and is brilliant from the very
first game, but generally there's going to be there's going
to be downs. And that's part of what I guess
all of you guys have to deal with, is that
if you can thread the needle of still trying to
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win games stay vital this season, and yet still give
JJ the opportunity to be patient with him regarding, like
we say, some we saw in this game. There were
some great throws he made, especially early, and then there
were some where he was not very accurate. That's the
challenge this year, right, because often, as you know, when
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young quarterbacks are thrown in there, they're thrown into teams
that aren't very good, right, and there's no expectation. So
to me, he's facing significant expectations immediately, just because everybody's
spoiled in the organization by what the team did as
recently as last year.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, for sure. And I think that's the way that
they built this team. They built it to be able
to handle that, right, to be able to put a
lot of veterans, a lot of skill guys offensive line,
a phenomenal defense, a special teams unit that we have
a lot of faith and trust him that's going to
give us great field position. And so that's why this
team was built the way it was. And so we
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all have to do our part to take pressure off
a young guy who's battling his butt off and as
tough as it gets he's a gamer, and we have
a lot of beliefs in faith with him. But we
all have to do our job and not do more
than our job, right. I think a lot of times
when things aren't going our way as an offense, I
think there's a tendency to want to do more and
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to go maybe try to make a play and go
out of just doing your job. And it always, it
always is happening. You know. I'm thirteen, thirteenth year in
this league, and I've been there right that where you
just try to do too much and you kind of
go out of out of the confinement of the of
the playbook or or of the play that's called. And
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I think we all need to just focus on just
doing our job. And I think when you do that
and you have a young guy confidence, especially a guy
like JJ who who is, like I said, he's a
gamer and he's got a lot of confidence himself. When
you kind of just do the little things and and
you get you make some plays for him, I think
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his confidence just goes through the roof and really plays
at a high level. So at the end of the day,
it's it's about the guys around him to be able
to do their job to really allow him to go
through some of those growing pains, but also to be
at the best.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
All right, So you had one very animated session where
I think in your case, it ended up being a
penalty that was declined that you did not believe was
a penalty at all. Tell me what happened on that play,
because on the on the TV they ultimately went to
the you know, their officiating guy. I think it was Pereira,
wasn't it, I think in this case, and he said
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he believed it was the right call. Do you do
you feel any differently about it or any less animated
about it than you did during the game.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it
didn't matter because we didn't replete the past, so I
probably shouldn't have been an animated as I was. But
I think it's just frustrating as a player when you
kind of when the rest kind of take a rule
that that and they kind of you don't necessarily understand
the football side of it. You know, it's kind of
like a technicality of the rule. But if you really
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just understand football and you watch that play knowing the
fact that I didn't go in there and try to
kill the guy, which I which I very easily could have.
You know, that was a design play. I was supposed
to go. If he's within a yard a line of scrimmage,
I can go and pick him or or hit him
and to take him off his man player. And it's
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a man play that that we have designed, right, And
so I felt like I did everything to the playbook
or to the rule book, and I didn't initiate contact.
I waited for him to come to me and and
stopped him right there. And I think it was a
little bit dramatic of you know, because he didn't see
me that he kind of felt the way he did
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and it probably looked worse than it was. But again,
I think the frustrating thing as a player is sometimes
as you these refs don't really understand football, and like
you're not if he knew, if he really understood football
and what that's like, I could have I could have
cleaned him out, and I didn't, So it shouldn't have
been a flag. But at the end of the day,
you can't get animated about that. You know it is
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what it is, and got to move on to the
next one. Did you try to I think the frustrations
of the game that kind of happened.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Gotcha sorry about that, did you?
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I mean, I don't know if there's ever a chance
after a game, if refs are off the field fast.
I know it's probably not at the top of the
list of things you're gonna do. But do you ever
have conversations after or have the opportunity to to you know,
out of the heat of the moment, to talk to
to refs where they say, all right, let's you know,
maybe we'll reconsider that, or maybe I misinterpreted that, or
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maybe you got you had a point or whatever.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Does that ever happen with you?
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Yeah? Yeah, I was able to go up to match
the game and apologize for you know, being uh, you know,
yelling at him on the on the field like that.
But I just kind of just apologized and and said,
you know, I felt like I didn't you know, hit
him with the excessive force. You know, I guess the
blindside block, and the rule book is within a yard
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line scrimmage, you can you can pick that guy. And
so he kind of said, yeah, you know, I'm gonna
we're gonna get more clarification on that rule because I
don't know, if we handle that perfect way, and maybe
and maybe they did. Maybe that's that's just how they
want it called, and and that's fine. Uh. I think
it's just getting that clarification. But you know, at the
end of the day, I can't I can't lose my
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cool on a ref like they're They're trying to do
their job as well. But again there's that kind of
that frustration of of you know, really understanding what what
the game looks like and when something is really should
be called and shouldn't. But those guys do a great
job of of, you know, being hard on themselves. They
get they get graded out, and they look at every
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single one of those players as rest as well. So
we'll see what they say as far as the clarification
on that.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
As you know, there is no time to wallow. You've
got a game again Sunday and it's a division game
and don't look now, but the Bears are sitting there
at six and three this season under their first year
coach Ben Johnson. They've shown think've had they have four
final minute come from behind drives to win games, so
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something different is going on there. They've not played the
greatest schedule early, but they've won the game. So you guys, again,
I mean, I don't know if you think of it
this way, but you're back under five hundred and four
and five, you're about to go on a couple of
games road trip afterwards, so it must wins are maybe
the wrong way to talk about it, but this is
a pretty damn big game on Sunday?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Is it not for your fortunes?
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yeah? I mean I feel like in this league every
win is the must win, and it feels that way
on Mondays, right, And whether you win or lose, it
feels like, man, either you kind of get the sigh relief, okay,
we got the dub or you have this like ache
in you that you just want to get back out
there and and you know it's tough to lose games
this league. But yeah, I say that. All say it's like, yeah,
(38:11):
it's a huge game. We're excited to get back at home.
We haven't played particularly well at home and our record's
not great, so we're excited to get back in front
of our fans back on Sunday and just just show
them what we really are about. You know, we got
to go and prove that we can't just talk about
oh we got this fixed, or we got this covered,
or if we could have just done this better, we
(38:32):
have to go out there and prove that. So just
trying to get to Sunday, you know, and prepare in
a way that that helps us to go and execute.
I think when you have games like you had on Sunday,
it makes you realize how important that preparation is and
how walked in you got to be in every single
you know, rep, whether it's a walk through, a jogged through,
(38:52):
or a live, full speed rep against the scout team,
like how important those reps are. And sometimes you get
in the monotony of the season and you kind of
just go through the motions and you're not trying to
but that's just kind of how it happens. And losses
like that make you realize, like, like you got to
really take advantage of every single opportunity you have leading
up for preparation because then those things don't happen when
(39:15):
you prepare the right way. So that's what our focus is.
And like I said, are excited to get back at
us Bank, but it's it's definitely not going to be
a walk in the park. It's a really good football team.
Who's only getting better, especially since the first time we
play them, they've gotten a heck of a lot better
under a new coaching staff. So we'll be a great
test for us and we'll see what we're made of.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Thank you, Adam. We'll chat next week. Appreciate it all right,
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Adam Feelin is the Vikings wide receiver who joins us
weekly during the uneven as he even is willing to
admit and fading the obvious twenty twenty five football season
for your Minnesota Vikings Brashawn Brian Kafan text line is
open as it has been throughout the program at six
four six eighty six. We've got a lot of good
(40:00):
Vikings talking points to get to. Do you think his
voice was a little raspy from yelling at it might
have been he was he was, he was animated. I
I guess I had not realized that he'd apologized after,
which is probably a smart move, probably the judicious thing
to do, you know, and they maybe even you gain
you gain a little ground in that regard, and maybe
(40:20):
you get a little bit more information. I I don't
know the rule well enough to know because part of
the debate was well that's only supposed to that's not
so he called when it comes from the side.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
It's supposed to be called when.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
You're going in the the the other direction is the
way the TV people put it. So even they wondered
before Perera got in it, that's what they wondered, because
this was at the end of the.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Line, so this was kind of going sideways. One could say.
Speaker 6 (40:45):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Pereira was was very clear that there's nothing to think
about here.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm going to assume he's right. I have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
I do think I get Deland's point that it probably
looked worse than it was the way he went down. Yeah,
and in a lot of times anymore, that's what reffs
are responding to, right for sure, the look of oh,
this looks bad, This looks like a criminal act of
some sort that could have cleaned him Moud He said, yes,
like that later, which is true.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
I don't think he tried to do that. But it's
interesting though that you'd even have a play that calls
for that that would Yeah, they can be so interpreted. Yes,
where Pereira says it's cutting dry feel and saying, look,
that's not what it was. I assume the offensive staff
knows what they're trying to do there. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Well, as he pointed out, the moral of the story is,
and this kind of tells the story of the game.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
It didn't matter because we didn't convert, right.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah, So they they were more than willing to decline
the penalty because the Vikings didn't make the play when
they needed to make the play. That'll be part of
the emphasis when we come back with some Vikings talking
points for sure, and maybe we even get to one
with Johnny Athletic, who's going to join at four h two.
Ben Lieber is scheduled for four to forty seven, and
(42:02):
thrifty Traveler Guy Kyle Potter on the current state of
domestic and international air travel out of the United States
of America is five point thirty this evening. Even with
signs that there might be a breakthrough and the so
called lockout might end, then there's still I guess a
(42:24):
lot of bumps on the road for air travel for
quite some time. And he'll get into the percentages of
number of flights that have been postponed or canceled and
how long that's going to go on, and the longer
term ramifications of it as well, and as I mentioned,
we'll take a look. There's some interesting texts that have
come in again from the Macbobos who don't want to live.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
In twenty twenty five reality. They just don't.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
They and I get it because they want to root
for their guys so much, and they believe this is
going to be the guy, and they don't want to
listen to any sort of pushback or criticism on this
guy actually when.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
He's played as little as he has.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
But I'm going to warn them of something I told
them back in late August and September that they obviously
didn't want to believe, but that it remains, I think
as true today as it was when we talked about
it back then.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
No famous moments en up a gas offense. First in
ten Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
He is.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Under center, his cadence may fall start.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Offense and B eighty five five yard penalty is first down.
Speaker 7 (43:33):
That's the third procedure of the third fall Star penalty
against the Moving Company today.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
First in fifteen, This game's about mistakes.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
Paul join us again for another famous moment up a
gas offense
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