July 28, 2024 • 34 mins
Continuing our recent theme of unveiling late-round draft help, Scott Fish and Paul Charchian identify players who have the security of being starters for their NFL team but won't cost you much to acquire them in your draft or auction.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly
source for the nation's best fantasy football advice, speculation, and
whatever stupid stuff they decided to drop into the show. Now,
here's your host, Paul Chargion.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's another edition of Fantasy Football Weekly. Welcome back to
the show. Very excited to be with you because my
co host today is the Haggard Remains of Scott Fish.
Oh the grinder you've been in for the last three weeks,
my man.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It has It has been a time. I've been traveling constantly. Ye,
sitting in a lot of airports you have, but I
don't have to travel for only thirteen more days travel right, right?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So how many different and I know you unfortunately because
of the global outage, you had to miss the LA
that you would have done as a live appearance at
the Scott Fish Bowl LA. But how many did you?
I know you hit Denver obviously, Minneapolis in your backyard.
I know you were in Boston. Which ones? What am
I missing?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You're missing Las Vegas?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Right? Yeah? The big circa pool side. Oh, if I'm
gonna go to one? Yeah, that isn't in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yes, that's the one. I will say that was the one.
And I know I'm you know, using up time vamping
now for no reason. But if that is the one
where I nearly shatted to hear, I probably could have cried.
Because there were people from Ohio, Washington, Uh, Minnesota, Canada,
a bunch come from Canada. They were like all over
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they came down to that one, and so we did
the drafts. We're having fun. But later that night we
go to a piano bar. It's just dark, there's moods
and vibes. It's just piano singing, singing in a piano bar.
And I'm sitting on the end of I look over
and all these people from all these different places around
the country and you know, different countries are just laughing, chatting,
having a good smiling And I'm like, you brought you
(01:58):
help bring them all together. How did we get here?
You remember sify from the days before live events seven
years ago. It's just how did we get here where
we're connecting people on that level? But that's so cool,
it's wonderful. That is I love it. Yeah, that's a
that's a great story.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, and you know, What else will bring a tear
to your eye is the if you get the cabana
yea at Circus Pool. Yeah yeah, paying that bill, that'll
bring a tear to your eye. If you want to
have a tier at the in the swim stadium.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Swim a wonderful and if you have enough people, it's
it's worth it. It's worth it to get the shade.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It is. It is worth it for the shade. When
we were there a couple of it was like about
one week after you, My wife and I were there,
and uh, it was a one hundred and ten degrees yeah,
you know. And yeah we were sharing the cabana with
another couple, which which helped a lot. Shout out pat
G and yeah, it was uh yeah, the food and beveragement,
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it's good, pretty significant. That's a that is a it's
a it's an epic experience.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, that's what it is. You're paying for in part
for the experience.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes, Now, what I need to do. Unfortunately you like me.
You know, we're working on Sundays during the NFL season. Whatever.
I need to find a way to get an NFL
Sunday in the circle parts.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You heard it here, folks. We're gonna need from the
circle from the make it like deep in the winter. Yeah,
let's do that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, then I can't get NFL. How do I get
NFL action? And plus Vegas is cold in the winter, right,
so the pool's not even.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Open, I mean cold for Vegas is cold like well,
winter in Vegas, Okay, you know the highest you know
it gets down to like thirty eight at night, it
still gets cold.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I don't know. I think I need to find a
way to get this. If I could pick a time,
probably be like October when it's cold here in Minneapolis. Yeah,
and it's still really nice.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Feels like right, I feel like we should plan the trip.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Maybe we should do that. How do we how do we?
How do we finangle that into our schedule? Let mean, right,
how much money have you raised to this point? Got
fish bowl efforts?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Oh boy, we're closing in on four hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
This unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, wow, last last I looked is I think it
was in the three seventies or something. I could I
could be a little off, but it's ballpark.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's fantastic. Congratulations. I'm sure that's an all time high
for Fantasy care. Absolutely, Yeah, that's that's outstanding and well
most of the scott Fish Bowl stuff has wrapped. A reminder,
the Guillotine League. The scott Fish Bowl Guillotine League is
going to be launching coming shortly. I don't have an
exact date for anybody quite yet, but it's coming, and
so there'll be another opportunity and there are ways to
(04:26):
ensure your spot in next year's scott Fish Bowl by
participating in the Guillotine League. Super Shop super Chop for
scott Fish.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So all right, with all that under our belt, let's
dive into the Let's dive into the big content for today.
The big topic for today. Cheap starters. Nobody wants except us.
You and I. Now we qualified what constitutes a cheap starter?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Did we?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And we did? You might not know that we think
we did. So it's got to be a starter on
his NFL team or probable starter. Right. So in some
cases I'm not even I'm not positive about my own guys.
But the guys who I think are all going to
be starters for their team at least at the start
of the season, we need the ADP to be lower. Right,
These are cheap starters. They were cheap is important here,
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and there were reasons for these players to be that
we think that they'll outperform their ADP. And we'll tell
you why we like these players and to be included
they I've decided not to do. We took I took
rookies off the table, as you know, because we spent
the last two episodes talking about rookies. So took the
rookies off the table. Because Thor and I have spent
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two straight weeks on rookies.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Now we're each going to give a quarterback, two running backs,
two receivers, and a tight end. Yes, I will yield
the floor to you, Scott Fish. Who is your cheap
starter at quarterback?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah? So mine is not as cheap because I feel
past about twenty where like eighteen nineteen twenty range is
Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, et cetera. Types After that,
it's a whole lot of you're not sure who's gonna
win the job, or it's someone like Will Levis that
you're like, he's just actually not good, right, and stuff
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like that. So I went with the QB nineteen, which
is again higher than yours. Yep, that's fine, but I
have a ton of faith in Kirk Cousins and that offense.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'm with you on this. Yeah, No, you know you're
spreaching to the quiet right now.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Round ten, He's got Bijon who's a dual threat running back.
You got Drake London. You got Kyle Pitts, who, when
Arthur Smith isn't throttling him, has high potential. You got
Darnell Mooney coming over. You got Ron del Moore coming over,
who are absolutely capable number three and four wide receivers.
In fact, they they played the two two okay degrees
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at other spots as a three or four with those
other threats around, I love them in that spot. They
have a top five PFF ranked O line. So Kirk's
gonna stay clean, yep, and those wide receivers will have
to running backs and have time to get open tight end.
Zach Robinson's coming over from you know, the McVeigh stool whatever,
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which is going to be the complete opposite of Arthur
Smith's super run heavy right.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Look at look at what Kevin O'Connell did as somebody
who has had a similar career path through the RAMS
organization with Sean McVay.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Even to the point of not calling plays sounds right yep.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, and passing game coordinators, quarterback coaches. And then they
get to the NFL and Kevin O'Connell's been a top
five play passing play percentage coach. Interesting, so you get
the heavy, heavy passing play side of it. Yep. You
bring in Kirk Cousins, who's keeps every year Kirk Cousins
finishes as like QB nine, QB eleven.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
In nineteen and he's going off the board of QB
nineteen and one last one, last point on why I
like Kirk Cousins. Atlanta is the going into the season
the thirty first ranked defense with last year's worst pass rush,
which means maybe they have some shootouts, maybe maybe kirks
to keep them in games.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yep, I like the sound of that. Staying with a
Minnesota theme, my cheap starting quarterback is Sam Donald. A
lot of people don't realize there's still people out there
that think Sam Donald might not start the season.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I have been pushing this on every show during my
SFB runs, that it's Sam Donald at least till Week six,
if not the whole season.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don't understand and okay.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So I mean two parts I think are really important
for people to understand it. First, Sam Donald starts the
season the first time, as you mentioned, the first time
he might bow out would be their bye week at
six because the team the Vikings have got Week one
is against the Giants, that's a pick them, and then
after that it's a slew of difficult games of the
Vikings and then in a trip to London and then
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they go into their bye week. So Scott, the earliest
that Sam could bow out would be that week six, right,
even if he did, and this is I think important
for people, it's not clear that they would go to
JJ McCarthy to Nick Mullens absolu. They're so dedicated to
giving twenty one year old JJ McCarthy the runway he
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needs to get up to speed. Yep, they could go
to Nick Mullens first. So but I still think I
think Sam Donald's gonna be good enough. With the talent
around him, the coaching staff, the schemes they've got here,
everything's so much better for Sam Donald. Let's talk it
through for a second. And by the way, it's very
early training camp for the Vikings, but so far it's
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it's bombs away on the deep stuff from Sam Donald.
He's look good. Don't read too much into it. It's like,
you know, we're three days in the training camp. But
the terrible coaching that he's had throughout his career, guys
like Adam Gase, Steve Wilkes, Dowel Loggings, Jeff Nixon, Ben mcado,
I mean, it's just, you know, almost nobody that he's
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worked with, you made us exactly all these coaches, between
every head coach he's ever had, every offensive coordinator he's
ever had Sam through Sam Donald's career. One of them
is still in the NFL. All the rest are out
of the league. It's unbelievable. Kevin O'Connell's a massive upgrade
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over those guys. And then the terrible receivers he's always
had to work with, the Robbie Chosens and the Jamison
Crowders as his number one, and now you know, now
he gets justin Jefferson Vikings. He's always he's struggled with
bad pass blocking lines as well. Donald has, so he's
absorbed a lot of sacks and been under duress constantly.
The Vikings are a significantly better one. They finished last
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year's Pro Football Focus is third best pass blocking rank.
And then you know that for Donald, I just you
get the feeling like the pressure's off for the first time.
You know, granted he's starting, he's gonna be starting the
NFL as an NFL quarterback, so it's just amount of
presure to that. But he came into the league he
had to be the savior for the Jets, and you
know it just I just feel like expectations are down.
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He's still in his prime at twenty seven years old.
He doesn't have to carry his whole team. So I
just feel like, you know, the stage is set for
Sam Darnold to dramatically outperform his Round eighteen ADP is
quarterback thirty four.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That is insane. Let's go to the running backs.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yes, uh, and we're doing two running back seats.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right, yeah, you can do one. I'll do one, then
you and the.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Meat Okay, okay, I'm going to start out with Brian
Robinson Junior, going to RB thirty three off the board,
ninety ninth overall, round eight or nine, right in that range.
He's going to be the main guy. They've already reported
Eckler's looking at ten touches a game which Eckler can
be efficient with. And that's what Eckler's wanted for years,
is a second guy to help extend his career that
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he doesn't have to take the punishment he You know,
Robinson's going to be the between the twenties guy for
a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Did you consider Eckler for this?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I did. I did, because he's going late to but
I feel Robinson is a shoe in for that short
distance and that goal line stuff. They're not going to
hammer Jayden Daniels. And he is not Josh Allen. He's
not Jalen. No, he's much more slightly build than that. No,
he's He's got my eleven year old's body shape. So
I'm just kidding. That's extreme. But yeah, they're not gonna
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hammer him him, and so Robinson's gonna get the goal
line work. He scored nine times last year. Oh my gosh,
I can nine nine. I forgot totally forget. You're like
leaded back to listening. Either I threw it nine times
in there. I don't know if he scores nine again,
but he's gonna have that role. So uh. He also
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showcased his pass catching. I know that's going to be
mostly Eckler's rule, but he's still gonna get some That
two and a half catches for twenty five yards per game.
That's like five PPR points right there. But he's he's
the best between the tackles runner they have. He's gonna
get the majority. It's it's a starting running back you're
grabbing in like round eight or nine.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'm gonna I'm in a similar spot a Zamir White,
sure running back twenty four, round seven, he's the He's
the Vegas starter. Alexander Madison's going to be the back.
But I don't even think it's close here. You'll remember
White was the starter for the last month of last
season and we got long looks at him. He had
a seventeen attempt game, a twenty two attempt game, a
twenty attempt game, and a twenty five attempt game for
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the backup. The then backup for the Raiders. They bring
back the same coaching staff, the coordinator love with Pierce
loves to run the ball, and Luke gets he's gonna
have to get in line on that. We love volume,
and so does so does Antonio Pierce. So we love
that part of it. I thought White looked pretty good.
He had some explosive runs. In his fourth starts, White
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had seven runs of more than ten yards and that
is double the rate that Alexander Madison had.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I am shocked Madison had that many.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I know I am too, having watched him all year.
White only scored one touchdown in those four starts. But
he will get the goal line work because it's not
going to be Madison, who scored zero rushing touchdowns last
year as the season long starter for the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I cannot wait for your side the five stat you
know talking about that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, let's go to your second cheap starting running back.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
So my second cheap starting running back is more of
a flyers. It's a flyer on a talent that once
was and still was before he got injured last year
in Nick Chubb going off the board at RB thirty five.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
We've seen like it.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
We've seen the videos recently. He's only got guys like
Jerome Ford behind him and Deonta Foreman and stuff. We've
seen the videos of his workouts looking great. His his
weightlifting look.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Weightlifting was insane. It was five hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, we need to see more lateral movement on that.
But in late twenty two he started catching more passes.
He caught four in the opener last year. Obviously he
got injured early the second week. But we're talking about
a team with the number three ranked offensive line, a
top three ranked defense, So maybe they get ahead and
just run and just run.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Kevin Stefanski loves to run. He doesn't need a reason.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yep, they got, they got, They added Judy, so they
got Cooper, Judy and Djoku out there running routes to
keep you know, defenses a little bit honest out there.
And Nick Chubb on a contract year, I know you
don't think he has something to prove coming off an
injury on a contract year, wanting to get maybe another contract.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It all adds up.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I will say guys like Jamal Charles Adrian Peterson, like
they have come back from ACLTA, we'd normally say it's
an extra year. But we've seen it before. We saw
just last year with Breese Hall. And I know all
those guys were young, like Charles was twenty six, Peterson
twenty seven, Price Prize twenty three. You know, I know
that he's job is twenty nine. But for an eighth round,
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maybe ninth round flyer on a guy that could be
a Bellco starter. I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
In my Boston Scott Fish Bowl League, Okay, I drafted
Nick Chubb? Yeah at round eight Yeah, four person, that's right,
And so you're preaching to the choir that seems like
tremendous value on a guy. I am. I gonna be
starting Nick Chubb in week one? Probably will probably why
and just you know, seeing what it you know how
long it takes him to get back to having a
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full workload. But am I starting him in December?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Nick Chubb's going to be there, and he's gonna be
He's gonna be back and running hard again. I'm confident. Yeah,
my cheap starting running back. And I'll be honest, I
don't I don't love this player, but he fits all
he checks enough boxes. Devin Singletary new Start the Giants Motor. Yeah,
I'm a little nervous about super sleeper Tyrone Tracy Thor
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nice from favorite.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yes, but and a Scott Fish favorite Thor Yes?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Who stole from who on that? Like, Oh, I'm sure
that was arrived at simultaneously organically.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He I'm sure he knew of Tyrone batt quicker than earlier.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
There. Yeah, at this time last year, I didn't know
who he was Singletary. You know, as you know Scott
good at a lot of things, not elite at really anything,
not and not a receiver. You know. He when I
went through all of his metrics looking for some eye
popping stats, like you know, Singletary, he ranks like his
running back fifteen twenty twenty five almost every metric he's
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he's good, but he's still low mileage because he got
the light workload in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
In Buffalo his first two years he had very high
explosive run rates, but not so much.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Less not so much lately. Right, you know, he's been
in that one hundred and twenty to two hundred and
fifteen carry range for his career and never missed a
game in five years. I love that about Devin Singletary.
Offensive line for the Giants was a disaster last year,
but comes back healthier this year, presumably, and you get
a second season under for center John Michael Schmidts, who
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should get better. Daniel Jones being back though, is the
biggest thing this whole you know, the whole Giants offense
gets way better having a functional quarterback. So yeah, Devin
Singletary round nine running back thirty two is just a
guy that you plug in and and forget about it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm gonna give it honorable mention of Chase Brown running
back twenty I had.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
He was on my list originally.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, yeah, round eleven. It's just the camp reports are great.
I don't know how much I believe in Zach Moss
for that role. And just Chase Brown annoyed me last
year because you would watch him like we watched him
and we're like, wow, is he pops? He saw something?
Then you look at the stat sheet four for twenty
you're like, wait, I saw a good run right in there. Yes,
I swear you're better than this. Yeah, so we'll see it.
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Honorable mention.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I I'm really intrigued by the idea of going Chase
Brown and round what'd you say he's going in eleven?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Eleven?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And then Jack Masson twelve? Sure, and just know, okay,
I got I've spent almost meaningless draft capital, and I've
got the Bengals starting running back one way or another,
and I do like that. That interests me.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Let's go to the wide receiver. Position, and let's go, Uh,
who's your who's your cheap starting wide receiver, your first
or two.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I'm going to start with the one that's at the
end of a tier. He's he's probably not as cheap
as you'd want for this this exercise, but it's going
to be Chris Godwin at wide receiver thirty three.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, and one of your your your next year first
guy is wide receiver thirty eight, So they're kind of
in the same range, but they are actually two rounds
of part art because there is a tear drop after
you take Chris Godwin, Chris Godwin and key now and
there's a nice tear drop there. So, uh, he's moving
back to the slot, which is its natural.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Position, where he did not like that move last year.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
He averages more catches, more targets, more yards. It's not
a per game on a per game basis more and
he's also weirdly scored more weirdly because a slot.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Guy usually don't get that from don't expect that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Uh. But after after him, there's there's a whole lot
of who wins the Denver wide receiver two jobs? Who
wins the Green Bay jobs? The Buffalo Jobs, the Indie
number two, the Chargers guy, like everything is such a
battle after him, except for possibly the three we're gonna
mention in a second, but also on for that team,
Chris Godwin, It's it's Mike Evans, It's Chris Godwin. Then
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after that it's Trey Palmer, rackem Jarrett, Sterling, Shepard, Jalen McMillan,
Cephus Johnson, Cody Thompson, Latrelle Jones, Tyler Canoe, Cameron Johnson.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
There's a guy named Tyler Canoe.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Tanner Tanner Suner Canoe, I think by Braid just to
I did not know yet there was a Canoe in
this league. Yeah, Kate, well it's k and you e
somebody to do. But I'm not, of course. The last guy,
Rally Webb, who was an old timey baseball player.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I appreciated, no kidding with that name, Raley Webb.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So like he's got nothing behind him. They're like, they're
just a ton of targets. Should be available for Evans
and Godwin this year.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I can't. I need this canoe guy, Tannered Canoe to
make the league and be meaningful so we can start
getting Canoe Sounders. You know we can have I want
the nickname. Possibilities are going through me right now. Jacoby
Myers going off the board is wide receiver fifty two,
round eleven. Do you know where Jacoby Myers finished last
year among wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It feels like he felt like he was scoring every
week for a little bit wide receiver twenty four.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Not surprised he's going as fifty two this year. And
I know what you people are like, oh, quarterback, but
christ the situation stunk last year.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Of course it's not different.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's no, it's better, if anything, because Gardner Minshew was
probably better than Brian Hoyer for Pete's sake. Remember last year,
Jacoby Myers, they moved him to the slot and he
ended Hunter Renfro's career. That always it for Hunter reprol
And you know he is a Meyer's a good player,
twenty seven years old, right in his prime. Not a
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lot of special traits, but he just does. He just
looks like the effort is just solid. He's always trying hard.
It's like a little bit of the Chase Brown cynerme.
You're just describing where you're like, ooh, I see things
that look really good. The box scores, he's like, you know,
nine hundred yards a year. The box scars aren't huge, ye,
but yeah, I just I like that guy. In three
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years since becoming the full time starter, Jacoby Myers has
only missed three games. He's got that nose for the
ends of that you mentioned. He just he get this.
Jacoby Myers last year converted ten percent of his catches
to touchdowns. We'll take that, ya, that is a nice
conversion percentage. And he is your possible kick return ooh
for Las Vegas. Oh, I like that. That's a possibility.
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They gave him runs out of the backfield last year.
So there's some chances that Jacoby Myers, I like his
chances of a dramatically outperforming wide receiver fifty two. Let's
go to your next receiver.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Let's drop six spots down to Rashid Shahit at wide
receiver fifty eight. How is he so late? Round eleven
takes over the more clear cut wide receiver two role
in New Orleans. He's probably gonna take a lot of
that Michael Thomas volume that they shouldn't have even given
Michael Thomas last year. To be honest, but last year
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he paid. He only played like fifty seven percent of
the snaps, which is a pretty limited role. I didn't
I was surprised he was that low. But he scored
five times, was targeted on one out of every five
routes he ran. His true catch rate was ninety four percent,
meaning that that's basically the percent of his catchable targets
that he caught, you know, not the total targets, but
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the catchable targets, not the ones that Derek Carr sailed
it over. But they credited him with a target you know, yes,
average nearly two deep balls of game, twenty fourth in
the league on that metric.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And that's the specialty for Shihi.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, yep, so sixteen yards per catch. Everything on him
looks good and efficient, but the volume is what's kept
him down, which he should finally get.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
The other thing that could keep him down in his
Derek Car's arm. But besides that, more volume should have
every one of those you know, creep up he should.
He should easily finish above wide receiver fifty eight. I mean,
that's that sane.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
We just I just some guys just give you a
spark of talent that make you go man. I want
to hitch my wagonto that that guy, and she's one
of them.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
A guy like that. Marvin Mims is like that too,
And I know they drafted Troy Franklin, but that's like
he looks like there's sparks when he's out there. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, I'm with Sean Payton, so I'm gonna give you
a guy my next, my next cheap starter, does not
have a lot of those sparks. To be honest, He's
just a plug and play good receiver. Deontay Johnson wide receiver,
thirty eight, round seven Panthers offense is a candidate to
be the most improved. Now. Granted they were terrible last year,
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so they always have to be improved, but I think
it's gonna get a lot better. I liked the new
offensive coordinator, Dave Canalis coach, head coach, excuse me, terrific
track record for extracting massive improvement from struggling quarterbacks. Absolutely,
Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield, you know about that. Johnson's the
clear number one, I think, yeah, And you know we've
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loved Adam Thelend. It's been an amazing career, but he's
at the bitter end of his career right.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Now, just think about Deontay Johnson in the earliest last season,
Adam thielen Roll with all those targets and catch ups, yes,
only not getting tired, right, which.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Is unfortunately happened with Theland He started out really hot
and then fell off. So you know, I don't think
Thelan's really a factor that way. Xavier Leguette is just
a bombs away rookie who's I don't think going to
be much of a factor for this year outside of
a handful of big plays. And then Jonathan Mingo and
Tarras Marshall look like they've they might already be done
before they even started. You know, Deontay Johnson's quarterbacks with
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the Steelers after Ben retired, He's had Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky,
and Kenny Pickett, and he's done well with it. And Okay,
I mean, so you know, sure you have concerns about
the quarterbacking in Carolina, but there's an opportunity here where
Bryce Young is gonna be better than Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky,
and Kenny Pickett this year.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think it's very likely.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Actually for sure, still drops so many balls, but that's okay,
This is uh, this is still a nice opportunity for him.
He's coming off of career highs Deontay Johnson in yards
per route run a dot yards per reception and the
best passer rating on balls thrown his way since Ben retired.
So there's you know, it's not like the game's passed
him by. Deontay Johnson's still young. Still can be a
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nice kind of contributor for your team. All Right, thet'll
trap it up with tight ends. Sure your your cheap
starting tight end.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I have a cheap one, and I gotta I gotta
throw in honorable mention again on this. Oh, I'm gonna
start with a guy that you may have heard of
named John U. Smith.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yes, my guy twenty, thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Round fifteen. I still believe in the athleticism and talent.
And if there's any what, any coach in the NFL,
and there's a lot of good ones that do this,
but in extracting, like extracting some really good stuff from
people from players that just have athleticism and talent, it
might be Mike McDaniel. He's one of the best out there.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think, yes, And you know, they a lot of
weapons there. So they're gonna be games where John who
just doesn't get his way because there's so many mouths
to feed. Absolutely, but then there's gonna be games where
they do feed him, and he's going to have explosive
games if you can identify it.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Absolutely works both ways because Hill is there, because Wattle
is there, because a Chan is there, because they can
run it with a Chan and moster, but a Chan
out of the backfield too. He's who is double covering
Smith and if you cannot, if you're not covering double
covering him at all, he's gonna have potential mismatches here
in a decent amount. To let the NFL in passing
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last year, I expected a very similar situation this year.
I just I just want the starting tight end on
that offense at round fifteen, round fifteen, I mean, he's
not even your starting tight end.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You draft no, right, he's your he's your backup, and
you pick your spots, and here in Fantasy Football Weekly
will help you identify those. When we drop our shows
every Friday. By the way, the.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Over under four take a chance on me of the
week for uh.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
John Smith, He's gonna spurred me battling him constantly. But
even if it's only you and I, yeah, we're gonna
be picking our spots for John Ujohnu beloved John Johnna
before you do your your your your your backup honorable mention. Yes, uh,
let me let me get my guy in absolutely and
I'll save my honorable mention as well. Zach Ertz. Yeah,
twenty nine, round eighteen.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
He's fighting a rookie. That's it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
He's fighting a rookie. Bensonit. And we all know that
rookie tight ends usually not always. Sam Laporta was awesome
last year. Usually as rookies, they don't do very much.
Ertz walks in is your probable starter, which was one
of the rules for today's exercise. Reunited with offensive coordinator
Cliff Kingsbury, with whom he played for twenty one games,
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and in each of Kingsbury's five seasons in Arizona, one
of his tight ends cracked the top five in yards
and targets every single year, and two of those seasons
was Zach Ertz. You know, last year, Ertz missed most
of the season with quad injury, which was unfortunate, and
then you know, the whole thing, you know, blew up
for you know Trey uh, Trey McBride ran away with
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everything out, you know when once he went down, and
Jaden Daniels in Washington could fit into that old rookie
stereotype of the kid looking for his safety blanket tight
end over the middle of the field when he gets
into trouble. You know the play. You know, everything's happening
so fast for a rookie, your first guy's cut go
to that tight end safety valve. So zach Ertz, it's
not sexy, but let me give you a quote from Let
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me give you a quote from Dan Quinn on zach Ertz.
I thought the leadership for him would be good, but
it's been remarkable. Ertz is not here to coach, but
he has the presence standards that others can emulate in
the passing game. He has a very good awareness and
the nuances of a route. So Dan Quinn loves zach Ertz.
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Cliff Kingsbury loves zach Ertz, has the history with him.
He's thirty three years old. Travis Kelcey was thirty three
last year. You know it's I think we can get
one last one last season on a zach Ertz.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
And once again, these are players that they're not even
your starting tight end. They are the guys you're drafting
as your backup tight end that I could easily make.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Make hay talk to me about your honorable mention.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, my honorable mention is tight end thirty four twenty
all right, even deeper than Zach Kertz, and that is
Haydenhurst starting tight end for the wide receiver room depleted
Los Angeles Chargers. Early reports out of the first couple
of days of camp are he is getting targeted a ton,
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which was confirmed by Haydenhurst himself at s fbl A
when he said, Herbert is just throwing me on every play.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
What do you mean, he said himself. He was in attendance.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, Haydenhurst was at s FBLA.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, Haydenhurst came out to s FBLA, hung
out with all of our drafts together. He has a
mental health foundation that we have supported, Fantasy Hurst has supported. Yeah,
there's actually like decent connections with a couple companies in
the fantasy space. Yeah yeah, he's yeah, like like Austin
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Eckler has some of that similar stuff. Haydenhurst also does
and he showed up at s fbl A and he's
like Herbert is he is constantly targeting me. And that's
the early reports in camp too, that apparently Hayden Hurst
is Herbert's Wood, be his security van.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So at this time last year, the fantasy experts, it
was Gerald Everett, Gerald Evert, Gerald Evertt, Gerald Everett. You
just yeah constantly, and that never really panned out.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
There was Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Now there's Lad
McConkie and Quentin Johnson tackle so Johnston excuse me, Josh
mixed in again preface twentieth.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Round, twentieth round. I'm look, I still have two rounds
to go on my Scott Fish Boulder. Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I took Hayden with my the twenty two dot twelve
in mind.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Wow, So all right, I love it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, Jolohnnie Woods, Johnny Wait.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Can't listeners like kode do we can we go one episode?
You mentioning Johnny Woods, Janie, I've already made my case
for him all the time. Yes, just one of these
times it's gonna pan. Look, this is my this is
my moss.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
What you need to do is I believe his wingspan
is like seventy four or something. But every time you
bet beted, the week sped, but increased it so by
week sixt Woodlin out there, man Wood, Listen.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It took me four years to be right about Zach Moss.
I'm gonna I'm telling you, I'm gonna be right about
Jillanny Woods one of these years.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I hope this becomes a new thing with at least
with running backs, like year five were like take Bigsby's.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
A start out. Holy see, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You had a little bit of success at the beginning
with Peers.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Though Damian Pierce, we just this watch this is gonna
be the year because Joe Mixon's cooked. But I feel
like I burned all of my ability to stump for
Damien Pierce last year. So I can't talk about it now,
but some of you know us that the opportunity is
there if you're with me and you think that it's
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effectively the end of the run for Joe Mixon Damian Pierce.
By away, I was checking out secretly some of the
me in Pierce's metrics. Okay, last year, even last year
when you know he wasn't playing great. A lot of
the advanced metrics are still really good on.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
It, and he might be doing returns too, so.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, that's possible. He's got better hands than people know
or that they have your seem to use. Thank you
for listening to Fantasy Football Weekly. Appreciate that we've got
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I know you're being patient. Thank you, Thank you. Lots
going on behind the scenes on the other side of
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the curtain, under the hood, whatever the that's not.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
There are really big things.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
We're really excited. Man. Can't wait to tell you about
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly
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here's your host, Paul Chargion.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's another edition of Fantasy Football Weekly. Welcome back to
the show. Very excited to be with you because my
co host today is the Haggard Remains of Scott Fish.
Oh the grinder you've been in for the last three weeks,
my man.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It has It has been a time. I've been traveling constantly. Ye,
sitting in a lot of airports you have, but I
don't have to travel for only thirteen more days travel right, right?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So how many different and I know you unfortunately because
of the global outage, you had to miss the LA
that you would have done as a live appearance at
the Scott Fish Bowl LA. But how many did you?
I know you hit Denver obviously, Minneapolis in your backyard.
I know you were in Boston. Which ones? What am
I missing?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You're missing Las Vegas?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Right? Yeah? The big circa pool side. Oh, if I'm
gonna go to one? Yeah, that isn't in Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yes, that's the one. I will say that was the one.
And I know I'm you know, using up time vamping
now for no reason. But if that is the one
where I nearly shatted to hear, I probably could have cried.
Because there were people from Ohio, Washington, Uh, Minnesota, Canada,
a bunch come from Canada. They were like all over
(01:38):
they came down to that one, and so we did
the drafts. We're having fun. But later that night we
go to a piano bar. It's just dark, there's moods
and vibes. It's just piano singing, singing in a piano bar.
And I'm sitting on the end of I look over
and all these people from all these different places around
the country and you know, different countries are just laughing, chatting,
having a good smiling And I'm like, you brought you
(01:58):
help bring them all together. How did we get here?
You remember sify from the days before live events seven
years ago. It's just how did we get here where
we're connecting people on that level? But that's so cool,
it's wonderful. That is I love it. Yeah, that's a
that's a great story.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, and you know, What else will bring a tear
to your eye is the if you get the cabana
yea at Circus Pool. Yeah yeah, paying that bill, that'll
bring a tear to your eye. If you want to
have a tier at the in the swim stadium.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Swim a wonderful and if you have enough people, it's
it's worth it. It's worth it to get the shade.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It is. It is worth it for the shade. When
we were there a couple of it was like about
one week after you, My wife and I were there,
and uh, it was a one hundred and ten degrees yeah,
you know. And yeah we were sharing the cabana with
another couple, which which helped a lot. Shout out pat
G and yeah, it was uh yeah, the food and beveragement,
(02:50):
it's good, pretty significant. That's a that is a it's
a it's an epic experience.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, that's what it is. You're paying for in part
for the experience.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes, Now, what I need to do. Unfortunately you like me.
You know, we're working on Sundays during the NFL season. Whatever.
I need to find a way to get an NFL
Sunday in the circle parts.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You heard it here, folks. We're gonna need from the
circle from the make it like deep in the winter. Yeah,
let's do that.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, then I can't get NFL. How do I get
NFL action? And plus Vegas is cold in the winter, right,
so the pool's not even.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Open, I mean cold for Vegas is cold like well,
winter in Vegas, Okay, you know the highest you know
it gets down to like thirty eight at night, it
still gets cold.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I don't know. I think I need to find a
way to get this. If I could pick a time,
probably be like October when it's cold here in Minneapolis. Yeah,
and it's still really nice.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Feels like right, I feel like we should plan the trip.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Maybe we should do that. How do we how do we?
How do we finangle that into our schedule? Let mean, right,
how much money have you raised to this point? Got
fish bowl efforts?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Oh boy, we're closing in on four hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
This unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yes, wow, last last I looked is I think it
was in the three seventies or something. I could I
could be a little off, but it's ballpark.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's fantastic. Congratulations. I'm sure that's an all time high
for Fantasy care. Absolutely, Yeah, that's that's outstanding and well
most of the scott Fish Bowl stuff has wrapped. A reminder,
the Guillotine League. The scott Fish Bowl Guillotine League is
going to be launching coming shortly. I don't have an
exact date for anybody quite yet, but it's coming, and
so there'll be another opportunity and there are ways to
(04:26):
ensure your spot in next year's scott Fish Bowl by
participating in the Guillotine League. Super Shop super Chop for
scott Fish.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So all right, with all that under our belt, let's
dive into the Let's dive into the big content for today.
The big topic for today. Cheap starters. Nobody wants except us.
You and I. Now we qualified what constitutes a cheap starter?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Did we?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And we did? You might not know that we think
we did. So it's got to be a starter on
his NFL team or probable starter. Right. So in some
cases I'm not even I'm not positive about my own guys.
But the guys who I think are all going to
be starters for their team at least at the start
of the season, we need the ADP to be lower. Right,
These are cheap starters. They were cheap is important here,
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and there were reasons for these players to be that
we think that they'll outperform their ADP. And we'll tell
you why we like these players and to be included
they I've decided not to do. We took I took
rookies off the table, as you know, because we spent
the last two episodes talking about rookies. So took the
rookies off the table. Because Thor and I have spent
(05:38):
two straight weeks on rookies.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So that's it.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Now we're each going to give a quarterback, two running backs,
two receivers, and a tight end. Yes, I will yield
the floor to you, Scott Fish. Who is your cheap
starter at quarterback?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah? So mine is not as cheap because I feel
past about twenty where like eighteen nineteen twenty range is
Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, et cetera. Types After that,
it's a whole lot of you're not sure who's gonna
win the job, or it's someone like Will Levis that
you're like, he's just actually not good, right, and stuff
(06:11):
like that. So I went with the QB nineteen, which
is again higher than yours. Yep, that's fine, but I
have a ton of faith in Kirk Cousins and that offense.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'm with you on this. Yeah, No, you know you're
spreaching to the quiet right now.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Round ten, He's got Bijon who's a dual threat running back.
You got Drake London. You got Kyle Pitts, who, when
Arthur Smith isn't throttling him, has high potential. You got
Darnell Mooney coming over. You got Ron del Moore coming over,
who are absolutely capable number three and four wide receivers.
In fact, they they played the two two okay degrees
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at other spots as a three or four with those
other threats around, I love them in that spot. They
have a top five PFF ranked O line. So Kirk's
gonna stay clean, yep, and those wide receivers will have
to running backs and have time to get open tight end.
Zach Robinson's coming over from you know, the McVeigh stool whatever,
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which is going to be the complete opposite of Arthur
Smith's super run heavy right.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Look at look at what Kevin O'Connell did as somebody
who has had a similar career path through the RAMS
organization with Sean McVay.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Even to the point of not calling plays sounds right yep.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, and passing game coordinators, quarterback coaches. And then they
get to the NFL and Kevin O'Connell's been a top
five play passing play percentage coach. Interesting, so you get
the heavy, heavy passing play side of it. Yep. You
bring in Kirk Cousins, who's keeps every year Kirk Cousins
finishes as like QB nine, QB eleven.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
In nineteen and he's going off the board of QB
nineteen and one last one, last point on why I
like Kirk Cousins. Atlanta is the going into the season
the thirty first ranked defense with last year's worst pass rush,
which means maybe they have some shootouts, maybe maybe kirks
to keep them in games.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yep, I like the sound of that. Staying with a
Minnesota theme, my cheap starting quarterback is Sam Donald. A
lot of people don't realize there's still people out there
that think Sam Donald might not start the season.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I have been pushing this on every show during my
SFB runs, that it's Sam Donald at least till Week six,
if not the whole season.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don't understand and okay.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So I mean two parts I think are really important
for people to understand it. First, Sam Donald starts the
season the first time, as you mentioned, the first time
he might bow out would be their bye week at
six because the team the Vikings have got Week one
is against the Giants, that's a pick them, and then
after that it's a slew of difficult games of the
Vikings and then in a trip to London and then
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they go into their bye week. So Scott, the earliest
that Sam could bow out would be that week six, right,
even if he did, and this is I think important
for people, it's not clear that they would go to
JJ McCarthy to Nick Mullens absolu. They're so dedicated to
giving twenty one year old JJ McCarthy the runway he
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needs to get up to speed. Yep, they could go
to Nick Mullens first. So but I still think I
think Sam Donald's gonna be good enough. With the talent
around him, the coaching staff, the schemes they've got here,
everything's so much better for Sam Donald. Let's talk it
through for a second. And by the way, it's very
early training camp for the Vikings, but so far it's
(09:27):
it's bombs away on the deep stuff from Sam Donald.
He's look good. Don't read too much into it. It's like,
you know, we're three days in the training camp. But
the terrible coaching that he's had throughout his career, guys
like Adam Gase, Steve Wilkes, Dowel Loggings, Jeff Nixon, Ben mcado,
I mean, it's just, you know, almost nobody that he's
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worked with, you made us exactly all these coaches, between
every head coach he's ever had, every offensive coordinator he's
ever had Sam through Sam Donald's career. One of them
is still in the NFL. All the rest are out
of the league. It's unbelievable. Kevin O'Connell's a massive upgrade
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over those guys. And then the terrible receivers he's always
had to work with, the Robbie Chosens and the Jamison
Crowders as his number one, and now you know, now
he gets justin Jefferson Vikings. He's always he's struggled with
bad pass blocking lines as well. Donald has, so he's
absorbed a lot of sacks and been under duress constantly.
The Vikings are a significantly better one. They finished last
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year's Pro Football Focus is third best pass blocking rank.
And then you know that for Donald, I just you
get the feeling like the pressure's off for the first time.
You know, granted he's starting, he's gonna be starting the
NFL as an NFL quarterback, so it's just amount of
presure to that. But he came into the league he
had to be the savior for the Jets, and you
know it just I just feel like expectations are down.
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He's still in his prime at twenty seven years old.
He doesn't have to carry his whole team. So I
just feel like, you know, the stage is set for
Sam Darnold to dramatically outperform his Round eighteen ADP is
quarterback thirty four.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That is insane. Let's go to the running backs.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yes, uh, and we're doing two running back seats.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right, yeah, you can do one. I'll do one, then
you and the.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Meat Okay, okay, I'm going to start out with Brian
Robinson Junior, going to RB thirty three off the board,
ninety ninth overall, round eight or nine, right in that range.
He's going to be the main guy. They've already reported
Eckler's looking at ten touches a game which Eckler can
be efficient with. And that's what Eckler's wanted for years,
is a second guy to help extend his career that
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he doesn't have to take the punishment he You know,
Robinson's going to be the between the twenties guy for
a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Did you consider Eckler for this?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I did. I did, because he's going late to but
I feel Robinson is a shoe in for that short
distance and that goal line stuff. They're not going to
hammer Jayden Daniels. And he is not Josh Allen. He's
not Jalen. No, he's much more slightly build than that. No,
he's He's got my eleven year old's body shape. So
I'm just kidding. That's extreme. But yeah, they're not gonna
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hammer him him, and so Robinson's gonna get the goal
line work. He scored nine times last year. Oh my gosh,
I can nine nine. I forgot totally forget. You're like
leaded back to listening. Either I threw it nine times
in there. I don't know if he scores nine again,
but he's gonna have that role. So uh. He also
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showcased his pass catching. I know that's going to be
mostly Eckler's rule, but he's still gonna get some That
two and a half catches for twenty five yards per game.
That's like five PPR points right there. But he's he's
the best between the tackles runner they have. He's gonna
get the majority. It's it's a starting running back you're
grabbing in like round eight or nine.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'm gonna I'm in a similar spot a Zamir White,
sure running back twenty four, round seven, he's the He's
the Vegas starter. Alexander Madison's going to be the back.
But I don't even think it's close here. You'll remember
White was the starter for the last month of last
season and we got long looks at him. He had
a seventeen attempt game, a twenty two attempt game, a
twenty attempt game, and a twenty five attempt game for
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the backup. The then backup for the Raiders. They bring
back the same coaching staff, the coordinator love with Pierce
loves to run the ball, and Luke gets he's gonna
have to get in line on that. We love volume,
and so does so does Antonio Pierce. So we love
that part of it. I thought White looked pretty good.
He had some explosive runs. In his fourth starts, White
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had seven runs of more than ten yards and that
is double the rate that Alexander Madison had.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I am shocked Madison had that many.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I know I am too, having watched him all year.
White only scored one touchdown in those four starts. But
he will get the goal line work because it's not
going to be Madison, who scored zero rushing touchdowns last
year as the season long starter for the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I cannot wait for your side the five stat you
know talking about that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, let's go to your second cheap starting running back.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
So my second cheap starting running back is more of
a flyers. It's a flyer on a talent that once
was and still was before he got injured last year
in Nick Chubb going off the board at RB thirty five.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
We've seen like it.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
We've seen the videos recently. He's only got guys like
Jerome Ford behind him and Deonta Foreman and stuff. We've
seen the videos of his workouts looking great. His his
weightlifting look.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Weightlifting was insane. It was five hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, we need to see more lateral movement on that.
But in late twenty two he started catching more passes.
He caught four in the opener last year. Obviously he
got injured early the second week. But we're talking about
a team with the number three ranked offensive line, a
top three ranked defense, So maybe they get ahead and
just run and just run.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Kevin Stefanski loves to run. He doesn't need a reason.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yep, they got, they got, They added Judy, so they
got Cooper, Judy and Djoku out there running routes to
keep you know, defenses a little bit honest out there.
And Nick Chubb on a contract year, I know you
don't think he has something to prove coming off an
injury on a contract year, wanting to get maybe another contract.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It all adds up.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I will say guys like Jamal Charles Adrian Peterson, like
they have come back from ACLTA, we'd normally say it's
an extra year. But we've seen it before. We saw
just last year with Breese Hall. And I know all
those guys were young, like Charles was twenty six, Peterson
twenty seven, Price Prize twenty three. You know, I know
that he's job is twenty nine. But for an eighth round,
(15:38):
maybe ninth round flyer on a guy that could be
a Bellco starter. I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
In my Boston Scott Fish Bowl League, Okay, I drafted
Nick Chubb? Yeah at round eight Yeah, four person, that's right,
And so you're preaching to the choir that seems like
tremendous value on a guy. I am. I gonna be
starting Nick Chubb in week one? Probably will probably why
and just you know, seeing what it you know how
long it takes him to get back to having a
(16:03):
full workload. But am I starting him in December?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Nick Chubb's going to be there, and he's gonna be
He's gonna be back and running hard again. I'm confident. Yeah,
my cheap starting running back. And I'll be honest, I
don't I don't love this player, but he fits all
he checks enough boxes. Devin Singletary new Start the Giants Motor. Yeah,
I'm a little nervous about super sleeper Tyrone Tracy Thor
(16:28):
nice from favorite.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yes, but and a Scott Fish favorite Thor Yes?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Who stole from who on that? Like, Oh, I'm sure
that was arrived at simultaneously organically.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He I'm sure he knew of Tyrone batt quicker than earlier.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
There. Yeah, at this time last year, I didn't know
who he was Singletary. You know, as you know Scott
good at a lot of things, not elite at really anything,
not and not a receiver. You know. He when I
went through all of his metrics looking for some eye
popping stats, like you know, Singletary, he ranks like his
running back fifteen twenty twenty five almost every metric he's
(17:01):
he's good, but he's still low mileage because he got
the light workload in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
In Buffalo his first two years he had very high
explosive run rates, but not so much.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Less not so much lately. Right, you know, he's been
in that one hundred and twenty to two hundred and
fifteen carry range for his career and never missed a
game in five years. I love that about Devin Singletary.
Offensive line for the Giants was a disaster last year,
but comes back healthier this year, presumably, and you get
a second season under for center John Michael Schmidts, who
(17:30):
should get better. Daniel Jones being back though, is the
biggest thing this whole you know, the whole Giants offense
gets way better having a functional quarterback. So yeah, Devin
Singletary round nine running back thirty two is just a
guy that you plug in and and forget about it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm gonna give it honorable mention of Chase Brown running
back twenty I had.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
He was on my list originally.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, yeah, round eleven. It's just the camp reports are great.
I don't know how much I believe in Zach Moss
for that role. And just Chase Brown annoyed me last
year because you would watch him like we watched him
and we're like, wow, is he pops? He saw something?
Then you look at the stat sheet four for twenty
you're like, wait, I saw a good run right in there. Yes,
I swear you're better than this. Yeah, so we'll see it.
(18:14):
Honorable mention.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I I'm really intrigued by the idea of going Chase
Brown and round what'd you say he's going in eleven?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Eleven?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
And then Jack Masson twelve? Sure, and just know, okay,
I got I've spent almost meaningless draft capital, and I've
got the Bengals starting running back one way or another,
and I do like that. That interests me.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Let's go to the wide receiver. Position, and let's go, Uh,
who's your who's your cheap starting wide receiver, your first
or two.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I'm going to start with the one that's at the
end of a tier. He's he's probably not as cheap
as you'd want for this this exercise, but it's going
to be Chris Godwin at wide receiver thirty three.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, and one of your your your next year first
guy is wide receiver thirty eight, So they're kind of
in the same range, but they are actually two rounds
of part art because there is a tear drop after
you take Chris Godwin, Chris Godwin and key now and
there's a nice tear drop there. So, uh, he's moving
back to the slot, which is its natural.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Position, where he did not like that move last year.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
He averages more catches, more targets, more yards. It's not
a per game on a per game basis more and
he's also weirdly scored more weirdly because a slot.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Guy usually don't get that from don't expect that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Uh. But after after him, there's there's a whole lot
of who wins the Denver wide receiver two jobs? Who
wins the Green Bay jobs? The Buffalo Jobs, the Indie
number two, the Chargers guy, like everything is such a
battle after him, except for possibly the three we're gonna
mention in a second, but also on for that team,
Chris Godwin, It's it's Mike Evans, It's Chris Godwin. Then
(19:44):
after that it's Trey Palmer, rackem Jarrett, Sterling, Shepard, Jalen McMillan,
Cephus Johnson, Cody Thompson, Latrelle Jones, Tyler Canoe, Cameron Johnson.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
There's a guy named Tyler Canoe.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Tanner Tanner Suner Canoe, I think by Braid just to
I did not know yet there was a Canoe in
this league. Yeah, Kate, well it's k and you e
somebody to do. But I'm not, of course. The last guy,
Rally Webb, who was an old timey baseball player.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I appreciated, no kidding with that name, Raley Webb.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So like he's got nothing behind him. They're like, they're
just a ton of targets. Should be available for Evans
and Godwin this year.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I can't. I need this canoe guy, Tannered Canoe to
make the league and be meaningful so we can start
getting Canoe Sounders. You know we can have I want
the nickname. Possibilities are going through me right now. Jacoby
Myers going off the board is wide receiver fifty two,
round eleven. Do you know where Jacoby Myers finished last
year among wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It feels like he felt like he was scoring every
week for a little bit wide receiver twenty four.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Not surprised he's going as fifty two this year. And
I know what you people are like, oh, quarterback, but
christ the situation stunk last year.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Of course it's not different.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's no, it's better, if anything, because Gardner Minshew was
probably better than Brian Hoyer for Pete's sake. Remember last year,
Jacoby Myers, they moved him to the slot and he
ended Hunter Renfro's career. That always it for Hunter reprol
And you know he is a Meyer's a good player,
twenty seven years old, right in his prime. Not a
(21:20):
lot of special traits, but he just does. He just
looks like the effort is just solid. He's always trying hard.
It's like a little bit of the Chase Brown cynerme.
You're just describing where you're like, ooh, I see things
that look really good. The box scores, he's like, you know,
nine hundred yards a year. The box scars aren't huge, ye,
but yeah, I just I like that guy. In three
(21:41):
years since becoming the full time starter, Jacoby Myers has
only missed three games. He's got that nose for the
ends of that you mentioned. He just he get this.
Jacoby Myers last year converted ten percent of his catches
to touchdowns. We'll take that, ya, that is a nice
conversion percentage. And he is your possible kick return ooh
for Las Vegas. Oh, I like that. That's a possibility.
(22:04):
They gave him runs out of the backfield last year.
So there's some chances that Jacoby Myers, I like his
chances of a dramatically outperforming wide receiver fifty two. Let's
go to your next receiver.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Let's drop six spots down to Rashid Shahit at wide
receiver fifty eight. How is he so late? Round eleven
takes over the more clear cut wide receiver two role
in New Orleans. He's probably gonna take a lot of
that Michael Thomas volume that they shouldn't have even given
Michael Thomas last year. To be honest, but last year
(22:35):
he paid. He only played like fifty seven percent of
the snaps, which is a pretty limited role. I didn't
I was surprised he was that low. But he scored
five times, was targeted on one out of every five
routes he ran. His true catch rate was ninety four percent,
meaning that that's basically the percent of his catchable targets
that he caught, you know, not the total targets, but
(22:56):
the catchable targets, not the ones that Derek Carr sailed
it over. But they credited him with a target you know, yes,
average nearly two deep balls of game, twenty fourth in
the league on that metric.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
And that's the specialty for Shihi.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, yep, so sixteen yards per catch. Everything on him
looks good and efficient, but the volume is what's kept
him down, which he should finally get.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
The other thing that could keep him down in his
Derek Car's arm. But besides that, more volume should have
every one of those you know, creep up he should.
He should easily finish above wide receiver fifty eight. I mean,
that's that sane.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
We just I just some guys just give you a
spark of talent that make you go man. I want
to hitch my wagonto that that guy, and she's one
of them.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
A guy like that. Marvin Mims is like that too,
And I know they drafted Troy Franklin, but that's like
he looks like there's sparks when he's out there. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, I'm with Sean Payton, so I'm gonna give you
a guy my next, my next cheap starter, does not
have a lot of those sparks. To be honest, He's
just a plug and play good receiver. Deontay Johnson wide receiver,
thirty eight, round seven Panthers offense is a candidate to
be the most improved. Now. Granted they were terrible last year,
(24:12):
so they always have to be improved, but I think
it's gonna get a lot better. I liked the new
offensive coordinator, Dave Canalis coach, head coach, excuse me, terrific
track record for extracting massive improvement from struggling quarterbacks. Absolutely,
Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield, you know about that. Johnson's the
clear number one, I think, yeah, And you know we've
(24:33):
loved Adam Thelend. It's been an amazing career, but he's
at the bitter end of his career right.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Now, just think about Deontay Johnson in the earliest last season,
Adam thielen Roll with all those targets and catch ups, yes,
only not getting tired, right, which.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Is unfortunately happened with Theland He started out really hot
and then fell off. So you know, I don't think
Thelan's really a factor that way. Xavier Leguette is just
a bombs away rookie who's I don't think going to
be much of a factor for this year outside of
a handful of big plays. And then Jonathan Mingo and
Tarras Marshall look like they've they might already be done
before they even started. You know, Deontay Johnson's quarterbacks with
(25:10):
the Steelers after Ben retired, He's had Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky,
and Kenny Pickett, and he's done well with it. And Okay,
I mean, so you know, sure you have concerns about
the quarterbacking in Carolina, but there's an opportunity here where
Bryce Young is gonna be better than Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky,
and Kenny Pickett this year.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I think it's very likely.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Actually for sure, still drops so many balls, but that's okay,
This is uh, this is still a nice opportunity for him.
He's coming off of career highs Deontay Johnson in yards
per route run a dot yards per reception and the
best passer rating on balls thrown his way since Ben retired.
So there's you know, it's not like the game's passed
him by. Deontay Johnson's still young. Still can be a
(25:53):
nice kind of contributor for your team. All Right, thet'll
trap it up with tight ends. Sure your your cheap
starting tight end.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I have a cheap one, and I gotta I gotta
throw in honorable mention again on this. Oh, I'm gonna
start with a guy that you may have heard of
named John U. Smith.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yes, my guy twenty, thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Round fifteen. I still believe in the athleticism and talent.
And if there's any what, any coach in the NFL,
and there's a lot of good ones that do this,
but in extracting, like extracting some really good stuff from
people from players that just have athleticism and talent, it
might be Mike McDaniel. He's one of the best out there.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think, yes, And you know, they a lot of
weapons there. So they're gonna be games where John who
just doesn't get his way because there's so many mouths
to feed. Absolutely, but then there's gonna be games where
they do feed him, and he's going to have explosive
games if you can identify it.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Absolutely works both ways because Hill is there, because Wattle
is there, because a Chan is there, because they can
run it with a Chan and moster, but a Chan
out of the backfield too. He's who is double covering
Smith and if you cannot, if you're not covering double
covering him at all, he's gonna have potential mismatches here
in a decent amount. To let the NFL in passing
(27:10):
last year, I expected a very similar situation this year.
I just I just want the starting tight end on
that offense at round fifteen, round fifteen, I mean, he's
not even your starting tight end.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
You draft no, right, he's your he's your backup, and
you pick your spots, and here in Fantasy Football Weekly
will help you identify those. When we drop our shows
every Friday. By the way, the.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Over under four take a chance on me of the
week for uh.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
John Smith, He's gonna spurred me battling him constantly. But
even if it's only you and I, yeah, we're gonna
be picking our spots for John Ujohnu beloved John Johnna
before you do your your your your your backup honorable mention. Yes, uh,
let me let me get my guy in absolutely and
I'll save my honorable mention as well. Zach Ertz. Yeah,
twenty nine, round eighteen.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
He's fighting a rookie. That's it.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
He's fighting a rookie. Bensonit. And we all know that
rookie tight ends usually not always. Sam Laporta was awesome
last year. Usually as rookies, they don't do very much.
Ertz walks in is your probable starter, which was one
of the rules for today's exercise. Reunited with offensive coordinator
Cliff Kingsbury, with whom he played for twenty one games,
(28:21):
and in each of Kingsbury's five seasons in Arizona, one
of his tight ends cracked the top five in yards
and targets every single year, and two of those seasons
was Zach Ertz. You know, last year, Ertz missed most
of the season with quad injury, which was unfortunate, and
then you know, the whole thing, you know, blew up
for you know Trey uh, Trey McBride ran away with
(28:44):
everything out, you know when once he went down, and
Jaden Daniels in Washington could fit into that old rookie
stereotype of the kid looking for his safety blanket tight
end over the middle of the field when he gets
into trouble. You know the play. You know, everything's happening
so fast for a rookie, your first guy's cut go
to that tight end safety valve. So zach Ertz, it's
not sexy, but let me give you a quote from Let
(29:05):
me give you a quote from Dan Quinn on zach Ertz.
I thought the leadership for him would be good, but
it's been remarkable. Ertz is not here to coach, but
he has the presence standards that others can emulate in
the passing game. He has a very good awareness and
the nuances of a route. So Dan Quinn loves zach Ertz.
(29:29):
Cliff Kingsbury loves zach Ertz, has the history with him.
He's thirty three years old. Travis Kelcey was thirty three
last year. You know it's I think we can get
one last one last season on a zach Ertz.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
And once again, these are players that they're not even
your starting tight end. They are the guys you're drafting
as your backup tight end that I could easily make.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Make hay talk to me about your honorable mention.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, my honorable mention is tight end thirty four twenty
all right, even deeper than Zach Kertz, and that is
Haydenhurst starting tight end for the wide receiver room depleted
Los Angeles Chargers. Early reports out of the first couple
of days of camp are he is getting targeted a ton,
(30:13):
which was confirmed by Haydenhurst himself at s fbl A
when he said, Herbert is just throwing me on every play.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
What do you mean, he said himself. He was in attendance.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Yeah, Haydenhurst was at s FBLA.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, Haydenhurst came out to s FBLA, hung
out with all of our drafts together. He has a
mental health foundation that we have supported, Fantasy Hurst has supported. Yeah,
there's actually like decent connections with a couple companies in
the fantasy space. Yeah yeah, he's yeah, like like Austin
(30:49):
Eckler has some of that similar stuff. Haydenhurst also does
and he showed up at s fbl A and he's
like Herbert is he is constantly targeting me. And that's
the early reports in camp too, that apparently Hayden Hurst
is Herbert's Wood, be his security van.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
So at this time last year, the fantasy experts, it
was Gerald Everett, Gerald Evert, Gerald Evertt, Gerald Everett. You
just yeah constantly, and that never really panned out.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
There was Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. Now there's Lad
McConkie and Quentin Johnson tackle so Johnston excuse me, Josh
mixed in again preface twentieth.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Round, twentieth round. I'm look, I still have two rounds
to go on my Scott Fish Boulder. Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I took Hayden with my the twenty two dot twelve
in mind.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Wow, So all right, I love it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, Jolohnnie Woods, Johnny Wait.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Can't listeners like kode do we can we go one episode?
You mentioning Johnny Woods, Janie, I've already made my case
for him all the time. Yes, just one of these
times it's gonna pan. Look, this is my this is
my moss.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
What you need to do is I believe his wingspan
is like seventy four or something. But every time you
bet beted, the week sped, but increased it so by
week sixt Woodlin out there, man Wood, Listen.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It took me four years to be right about Zach Moss.
I'm gonna I'm telling you, I'm gonna be right about
Jillanny Woods one of these years.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I hope this becomes a new thing with at least
with running backs, like year five were like take Bigsby's.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
A start out. Holy see, here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You had a little bit of success at the beginning
with Peers.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Though Damian Pierce, we just this watch this is gonna
be the year because Joe Mixon's cooked. But I feel
like I burned all of my ability to stump for
Damien Pierce last year. So I can't talk about it now,
but some of you know us that the opportunity is
there if you're with me and you think that it's
(32:54):
effectively the end of the run for Joe Mixon Damian Pierce.
By away, I was checking out secretly some of the
me in Pierce's metrics. Okay, last year, even last year
when you know he wasn't playing great. A lot of
the advanced metrics are still really good on.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
It, and he might be doing returns too, so.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, that's possible. He's got better hands than people know
or that they have your seem to use. Thank you
for listening to Fantasy Football Weekly. Appreciate that we've got
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I know you're being patient. Thank you, Thank you. Lots
going on behind the scenes on the other side of
(33:32):
the curtain, under the hood, whatever the that's not.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
There are really big things.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
We're really excited. Man. Can't wait to tell you about
that soon. And we'll be back with more Fantasy Football
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(34:00):
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