November 14, 2025 • 12 mins
Adam Thielen shares his side of the story from the controversial flag and his subsequent reaction to it, he talks about this weekend against the Bears and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No, I bet is a big Wicked fan. I bet
Adam Deelon, I bet I bet he likes it. I
bet he's not. I'm going to I'm gonna guess no,
I bet he's seen it like four times. Have you
seen Wicked the movie, the original one yet, Adam Deeling.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I have seen it. I enjoyed it, but it's not
like my favorite movie of all time. Yeah, all right, well.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We have to ask then, do you have something jump
in your mind as your favorite movie of all time?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh? My goodness, I mean Mighty Ducks series.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, I can see it.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know what's weird about that.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'd always heard that the one of the arenas that
they filmed and Mighty Ducks and Adam was in Fridley.
I think it's what is a university and maybe Central
Avenue right there, And I remember driving by it one
time and saying, yeah, okay, that's that's what the film did.
It's not there anymore. There's a giant apartment complex right now.
How many arenas around here did they film it in?
And Adam, do you remember like that being a big
(00:53):
deal when you were a kid, that The Mighty Ducks
was actually filmed here.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh yeah, that's a big deal for sure. And then yeah,
I mean just those childhood movies, I feel like you did.
You don't get any better, you know, I now with
my kids bring them back, and I watch all those
old movies that were so good. I feel like they
just don't make those movies anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, seem to think of how influential movies are. Right,
I saw a point break and have wanted to rob
banks ever since I saw Rounders, and it changed my life.
All I've wanted to do is play poker for the
last almost thirty years. Adam grew up watching sports movies
and now he's a pro football player. Like, don't say
it doesn't matter, it does. You got influenced by the
Mighty Ducks.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And listen, I'm not even gonna I'm not gonna go
crass on it, but you know what movies I watched
and how it influenced.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh boy, and look where you are now. You've said
weird science changed your life?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Dad.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
All right, there's my terrible, terrible transition. Adam.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Watching the tape back of Last Week, Man, you were
fired up. That was about as mad as I've ever
seen you. The crackback block, and the guys on TV
were arguing whether or not that was pass interference or
if it was behind the line of scrimmage. But man,
I'm sure you're probably tired of talking about it. But man,
looking back, what what happened? And and and where are
we going from here?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah? I think I think the reason probably why I
was so fired up is because we talked about that
exact play all week. We taught, we actually practiced that
exact look in practice, like this is probably what we'll
get and this is what we want you to do,
and so, you know, had a pretty good idea of
what the rule was that if you're on the line
(02:30):
of scrimmage or within a yard of the line of scrimmage,
that you can actually hit them. You can you can
block them, and it's not past experence because if it's
past one yard down the line from the line of scrimmage,
then it's past and appearance if you touch them. So
I'm all right, cool, so go down the line of scrimmage.
I actually waited for him to come to me because
I knew that if I, like full throttle went at
(02:51):
him and crushed him, the obvious penalty and you know,
waited for him to come to me, and then at
the very end, I naturally protected myself because he's running
full speed at me, and I think the shock of
me him not seeing me actually made it look worse
than it really was because I didn't really hit him
that hard. And then I think the frustration of like
(03:13):
these refs they kind of like sometimes forget like that
we're playing football and that like, yes, there's rules, but
I think sometimes they forget the feel of the game,
like was that really malicious and intent? Did I hit
him in the head? No? So I think sometimes they
(03:34):
just forget like, yes, there's a rule book, like you
can't crack back, you know, you can't do these things,
but like what does it look like in football? And
how does that apply to like a real full speed rep?
And so I think that's why I was most frustrated.
And I think a little bit of what they were
saying back to me made me a little bit more frustrated.
(03:56):
I don't think they really understood the rules. So yeah, interesting,
interesting play. Obviously I can't do that. I apologize to
the ref after the game, and he said that he
needed to get more clarification on on the rules, So
all good.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, it's interesting because I heard you bring that
up with with Burrero as well when you talk to
him on Monday. Do you know what the percentage of
referees who are former players, at least at the college
level is and do you think it maybe should be
something that is a requirement. Should should we have people
doing that job to have played the game? Would it
help you guys?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So this might be a little bit of a hot take,
and I don't know if I should be going here,
but I'm going to okay, But I think I think
we need to have full time referees. I think I
think it's ridiculous that we have and no offense to
these guys. I mean, they obviously love their job, they
put a lot of time into and I know they do,
but it's like we have these guys that are kind
of fan boys a little bit, like they love they
(04:52):
love the fact that they get to go out there
and they get to shake hands with Patrick Mahomes, they
get to hang out with these professional athletes, and then
they to their real job on Monday through Friday and
tell everybody how cool cool are their side job is.
I I think that there should be full time referees.
I mean, the NFL has billions and billions of dollars.
There's so much money in the game, there's so much
(05:14):
betting on the game that these games matter so much
to not you know, obviously the people that are gambling,
but what about the people that put so much time
and effort to try to go and perform well and
win games, and and all the time the coaches put
in that they deserve to have full time referees, and
you know, that's that's my take on it. And I
(05:35):
think it's very easy, easy to do, and I don't
know why it hasn't been done.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Oh, the aggregators are going to love that. Sound. It's
a hot take, Adam Zalen.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It is a hot take, but I'm glad you said it,
and especially as I this is a this is not
a league that's hurting for money. Let me just say
that it just seemed like something they could afford to do.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
That's the same thing we've talked about with like the
cameras over the years, right, Adam too, is like, you know,
we we shouldn't have goal lines that don't have every
angle whether or not the ball was us. It's when
you're a multi billion dollar corporation like the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
We got to have everything lined up. That's why.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Hell, for god's sakes, even let's not have wires take
out you know, field goal kicks, Like, let's let's have
a clean operation here.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
There's a lot of money on the line.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
We actually streak at cameras. We in Carolina, we weren't
playing a whole lot of primetime games, and uh so
we had one game where they called a touchdown catch
not a catch, and they actually said that if they
had more cameras, they would have called the catch a
catch after reviewing it, but they didn't have enough cameras
because it wasn't a primetime game, and so they couldn't
(06:39):
they couldn't overturn the call because they didn't have the
right camera view, even though they said, like, if we
would have had this view, like you can clearly tell
that it would have been a catch, but we didn't
have that clear evidence. And so yeah, that's kind of
proves the point.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, that's pretty nuts.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Hey back to the actual game though, So you know, again,
JJ's in his fourth game, fourth start, We get a
long way to go, right, work in progress. When when
he's up and down and making some great throws and
then he's air mailing some other ones. Like what are
you as a as a receiver, what do you say
to him to make sure that you try to keep
him zenmo that he's, you know, still meditating in game somehow,
(07:17):
how do you calm him down and go like, you
got this. I know you airmailed that one to Justin.
Justin's getting a little frustrated, but it's not. You just
keep doing your thing.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean, I think any any quarterback or any athlete like,
just let it lose, man Like, just let it fly,
like you're unbelievable. Like if you see the way that
he practices, you know, watching some of the throws he
made yesterday, you're like, man like, he can make all
the throws, and he can he can throw those touchballs,
he can be accurate, he can do all those things.
(07:46):
So I think as a young player, sometimes you try
to be perfect, right because you're you're you're finally able
to show what you can do, and you put so
much time and effort and so many reps in the
in the being the best you can be, and I
think sometimes you just tend to try to be perfect
I'm not saying that's him. I just think you know,
I've been there where you just like try so hard
(08:07):
to be so perfect with your routes and and try
to catch every single ball and make it look so perfect.
But I think when you learn as an athlete to
just let it fly, like you put the work in,
you put the prep in, you've done, You've made all
those throws a million times, and just go let it fly.
That's that's when you're at your best. And that's when
he got his best. I think you saw that against
(08:28):
Detroit at times him just let it fly and just
not worrying about being perfect and it's not going to
be perfect and uh, and that's when you're at your best.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Adam, one more thing back to last week's game, and
then I promise we'll ask you about Chicago before we
let you go. But I wonder I just had this
thought popping in my mind. If that had been me
on the field, I'd have gotten a text from my
dad after the game saying I need the names of
these referees. I'm going to fight them. And I've gotten
a text from what mom saying you need to take
a deep breath, cent are you Okay, what is the
(08:58):
reaction from your parents? Because we're all parents, right your parent,
I'm a parent obviously Corey is as well. It's always
interesting to find out what is happening in the minds
of our moms and dads when they're watching their adult
children do things on television.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, normally, normally I get the text message from my
mom or or talks about it at maybe the next
week when she comes to the game and says, yeah,
maybe you shouldn't do that anymore. I haven't gotten that
one yet from her, but I did get it for
my wife. Uh. And then when it when it really
think in that I probably shouldn't do that kind of stuff.
(09:34):
Is when my oldest son, Asher, who's in third grade,
came home after school and said that everybody, all of
his friends at school, said that I rage quit in
the game, which I don't know what that means, but
it doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Wow, that just rage raged quit. That's that's pretty good
a bunch of eight year olds. Troy, that's fantastic, know
what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But I know Meat Sas has done in multiple times.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I gotta believe he had He's rage Queen Vegas right now,
all right.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
A couple of final things for Adam feeling, like Chris
just mentioned, obviously, the Bears are the opponent on Sunday
at noonon you guys saw them in week one. Adam,
remind me how many weeks had you been here before
week one this year?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
When did you get here? When did you get back?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I got like about a week before a week one?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Okay, So what did you see in that small window
then to prepare for Chicago before week one? And what
do you think is different? You know, two and a
half months later about the Bear specifically, how have they changed?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well? At that time, for an offensive player, you didn't
really have much other than New Orleans tape to kind
of look at. Obviously, you kind of try to watch
some of the players that had been there before, but
from a scheme perspective, it was all you know, the
defense coordinator was head coach in New Orleans had been
there forever, so you're kind of watching New Orleans tape
(10:53):
to kind of see what, scheme wise, how they're going
to play certain things. So you didn't really have a
great idea of what they were going to do. Obviously,
no one really does in week one, but especially with
New coaches. And then now now you have a pretty
good idea of who they are individually as players, what
they bring, you know, who they're, who their guys are,
things like that, and then you also have an idea
(11:15):
of what what they're trying to do scheme wise, like
how they're trying to use their players, how they're kind
of trying to fit fit their scheme with their players,
and you know, kind of make it similar to what
what this coordinator has done in the past. But it's
a coordinator that's very aggressive and we've seen a lot
of here in Minnesota. So yeah, well we'll get his
best effort as a play caller. I know, you know,
(11:37):
such you're the young quarterback. They tend to kind of
be more creative and and be a little more aggressive,
trying to kind of confuse or frustrate a young guy.
So we're kind of obviously getting prepared for that.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Adam, thanks for the the time. Is always good luck
on Sunday and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
All right, Thanks guys, talking man.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thanks to the friends, our friends at the Loan Foundation
and ETS Performance
No, I bet is a big Wicked fan. I bet
Adam Deelon, I bet I bet he likes it. I
bet he's not. I'm going to I'm gonna guess no,
I bet he's seen it like four times. Have you
seen Wicked the movie, the original one yet, Adam Deeling.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I have seen it. I enjoyed it, but it's not
like my favorite movie of all time. Yeah, all right, well.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We have to ask then, do you have something jump
in your mind as your favorite movie of all time?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh? My goodness, I mean Mighty Ducks series.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, I can see it.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know what's weird about that.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I'd always heard that the one of the arenas that
they filmed and Mighty Ducks and Adam was in Fridley.
I think it's what is a university and maybe Central
Avenue right there, And I remember driving by it one
time and saying, yeah, okay, that's that's what the film did.
It's not there anymore. There's a giant apartment complex right now.
How many arenas around here did they film it in?
And Adam, do you remember like that being a big
(00:53):
deal when you were a kid, that The Mighty Ducks
was actually filmed here.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh yeah, that's a big deal for sure. And then yeah,
I mean just those childhood movies, I feel like you did.
You don't get any better, you know, I now with
my kids bring them back, and I watch all those
old movies that were so good. I feel like they
just don't make those movies anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, seem to think of how influential movies are. Right,
I saw a point break and have wanted to rob
banks ever since I saw Rounders, and it changed my life.
All I've wanted to do is play poker for the
last almost thirty years. Adam grew up watching sports movies
and now he's a pro football player. Like, don't say
it doesn't matter, it does. You got influenced by the
Mighty Ducks.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And listen, I'm not even gonna I'm not gonna go
crass on it, but you know what movies I watched
and how it influenced.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh boy, and look where you are now. You've said
weird science changed your life?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Dad.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
All right, there's my terrible, terrible transition. Adam.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Watching the tape back of Last Week, Man, you were
fired up. That was about as mad as I've ever
seen you. The crackback block, and the guys on TV
were arguing whether or not that was pass interference or
if it was behind the line of scrimmage. But man,
I'm sure you're probably tired of talking about it. But man,
looking back, what what happened? And and and where are
we going from here?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah? I think I think the reason probably why I
was so fired up is because we talked about that
exact play all week. We taught, we actually practiced that
exact look in practice, like this is probably what we'll
get and this is what we want you to do,
and so, you know, had a pretty good idea of
what the rule was that if you're on the line
(02:30):
of scrimmage or within a yard of the line of scrimmage,
that you can actually hit them. You can you can
block them, and it's not past experence because if it's
past one yard down the line from the line of scrimmage,
then it's past and appearance if you touch them. So
I'm all right, cool, so go down the line of scrimmage.
I actually waited for him to come to me because
I knew that if I, like full throttle went at
(02:51):
him and crushed him, the obvious penalty and you know,
waited for him to come to me, and then at
the very end, I naturally protected myself because he's running
full speed at me, and I think the shock of
me him not seeing me actually made it look worse
than it really was because I didn't really hit him
that hard. And then I think the frustration of like
(03:13):
these refs they kind of like sometimes forget like that
we're playing football and that like, yes, there's rules, but
I think sometimes they forget the feel of the game,
like was that really malicious and intent? Did I hit
him in the head? No? So I think sometimes they
(03:34):
just forget like, yes, there's a rule book, like you
can't crack back, you know, you can't do these things,
but like what does it look like in football? And
how does that apply to like a real full speed rep?
And so I think that's why I was most frustrated.
And I think a little bit of what they were
saying back to me made me a little bit more frustrated.
(03:56):
I don't think they really understood the rules. So yeah, interesting,
interesting play. Obviously I can't do that. I apologize to
the ref after the game, and he said that he
needed to get more clarification on on the rules, So
all good.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, it's interesting because I heard you bring that
up with with Burrero as well when you talk to
him on Monday. Do you know what the percentage of
referees who are former players, at least at the college
level is and do you think it maybe should be
something that is a requirement. Should should we have people
doing that job to have played the game? Would it
help you guys?
Speaker 2 (04:30):
So this might be a little bit of a hot take,
and I don't know if I should be going here,
but I'm going to okay, But I think I think
we need to have full time referees. I think I
think it's ridiculous that we have and no offense to
these guys. I mean, they obviously love their job, they
put a lot of time into and I know they do,
but it's like we have these guys that are kind
of fan boys a little bit, like they love they
(04:52):
love the fact that they get to go out there
and they get to shake hands with Patrick Mahomes, they
get to hang out with these professional athletes, and then
they to their real job on Monday through Friday and
tell everybody how cool cool are their side job is.
I I think that there should be full time referees.
I mean, the NFL has billions and billions of dollars.
There's so much money in the game, there's so much
(05:14):
betting on the game that these games matter so much
to not you know, obviously the people that are gambling,
but what about the people that put so much time
and effort to try to go and perform well and
win games, and and all the time the coaches put
in that they deserve to have full time referees, and
you know, that's that's my take on it. And I
(05:35):
think it's very easy, easy to do, and I don't
know why it hasn't been done.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Oh, the aggregators are going to love that. Sound. It's
a hot take, Adam Zalen.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It is a hot take, but I'm glad you said it,
and especially as I this is a this is not
a league that's hurting for money. Let me just say
that it just seemed like something they could afford to do.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
That's the same thing we've talked about with like the
cameras over the years, right, Adam too, is like, you know,
we we shouldn't have goal lines that don't have every
angle whether or not the ball was us. It's when
you're a multi billion dollar corporation like the NFL.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
We got to have everything lined up. That's why.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Hell, for god's sakes, even let's not have wires take
out you know, field goal kicks, Like, let's let's have
a clean operation here.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
There's a lot of money on the line.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
We actually streak at cameras. We in Carolina, we weren't
playing a whole lot of primetime games, and uh so
we had one game where they called a touchdown catch
not a catch, and they actually said that if they
had more cameras, they would have called the catch a
catch after reviewing it, but they didn't have enough cameras
because it wasn't a primetime game, and so they couldn't
(06:39):
they couldn't overturn the call because they didn't have the
right camera view, even though they said, like, if we
would have had this view, like you can clearly tell
that it would have been a catch, but we didn't
have that clear evidence. And so yeah, that's kind of
proves the point.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, that's pretty nuts.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Hey back to the actual game though, So you know, again,
JJ's in his fourth game, fourth start, We get a
long way to go, right, work in progress. When when
he's up and down and making some great throws and
then he's air mailing some other ones. Like what are
you as a as a receiver, what do you say
to him to make sure that you try to keep
him zenmo that he's, you know, still meditating in game somehow,
(07:17):
how do you calm him down and go like, you
got this. I know you airmailed that one to Justin.
Justin's getting a little frustrated, but it's not. You just
keep doing your thing.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I mean, I think any any quarterback or any athlete like,
just let it lose, man Like, just let it fly,
like you're unbelievable. Like if you see the way that
he practices, you know, watching some of the throws he
made yesterday, you're like, man like, he can make all
the throws, and he can he can throw those touchballs,
he can be accurate, he can do all those things.
(07:46):
So I think as a young player, sometimes you try
to be perfect, right because you're you're you're finally able
to show what you can do, and you put so
much time and effort and so many reps in the
in the being the best you can be, and I
think sometimes you just tend to try to be perfect
I'm not saying that's him. I just think you know,
I've been there where you just like try so hard
(08:07):
to be so perfect with your routes and and try
to catch every single ball and make it look so perfect.
But I think when you learn as an athlete to
just let it fly, like you put the work in,
you put the prep in, you've done, You've made all
those throws a million times, and just go let it fly.
That's that's when you're at your best. And that's when
he got his best. I think you saw that against
(08:28):
Detroit at times him just let it fly and just
not worrying about being perfect and it's not going to
be perfect and uh, and that's when you're at your best.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Adam, one more thing back to last week's game, and
then I promise we'll ask you about Chicago before we
let you go. But I wonder I just had this
thought popping in my mind. If that had been me
on the field, I'd have gotten a text from my
dad after the game saying I need the names of
these referees. I'm going to fight them. And I've gotten
a text from what mom saying you need to take
a deep breath, cent are you Okay, what is the
(08:58):
reaction from your parents? Because we're all parents, right your parent,
I'm a parent obviously Corey is as well. It's always
interesting to find out what is happening in the minds
of our moms and dads when they're watching their adult
children do things on television.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, normally, normally I get the text message from my
mom or or talks about it at maybe the next
week when she comes to the game and says, yeah,
maybe you shouldn't do that anymore. I haven't gotten that
one yet from her, but I did get it for
my wife. Uh. And then when it when it really
think in that I probably shouldn't do that kind of stuff.
(09:34):
Is when my oldest son, Asher, who's in third grade,
came home after school and said that everybody, all of
his friends at school, said that I rage quit in
the game, which I don't know what that means, but
it doesn't sound good.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Wow, that just rage raged quit. That's that's pretty good
a bunch of eight year olds. Troy, that's fantastic, know
what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But I know Meat Sas has done in multiple times.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I gotta believe he had He's rage Queen Vegas right now,
all right.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
A couple of final things for Adam feeling, like Chris
just mentioned, obviously, the Bears are the opponent on Sunday
at noonon you guys saw them in week one. Adam,
remind me how many weeks had you been here before
week one this year?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
When did you get here? When did you get back?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I got like about a week before a week one?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Okay, So what did you see in that small window
then to prepare for Chicago before week one? And what
do you think is different? You know, two and a
half months later about the Bear specifically, how have they changed?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well? At that time, for an offensive player, you didn't
really have much other than New Orleans tape to kind
of look at. Obviously, you kind of try to watch
some of the players that had been there before, but
from a scheme perspective, it was all you know, the
defense coordinator was head coach in New Orleans had been
there forever, so you're kind of watching New Orleans tape
(10:53):
to kind of see what, scheme wise, how they're going
to play certain things. So you didn't really have a
great idea of what they were going to do. Obviously,
no one really does in week one, but especially with
New coaches. And then now now you have a pretty
good idea of who they are individually as players, what
they bring, you know, who they're, who their guys are,
things like that, and then you also have an idea
(11:15):
of what what they're trying to do scheme wise, like
how they're trying to use their players, how they're kind
of trying to fit fit their scheme with their players,
and you know, kind of make it similar to what
what this coordinator has done in the past. But it's
a coordinator that's very aggressive and we've seen a lot
of here in Minnesota. So yeah, well we'll get his
best effort as a play caller. I know, you know,
(11:37):
such you're the young quarterback. They tend to kind of
be more creative and and be a little more aggressive,
trying to kind of confuse or frustrate a young guy.
So we're kind of obviously getting prepared for that.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Adam, thanks for the the time. Is always good luck
on Sunday and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
All right, Thanks guys, talking man.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thanks to the friends, our friends at the Loan Foundation
and ETS Performance
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