November 11, 2025 • 22 mins
Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen makes his weekly appearance with Dan Barreiro to review the loss to the Ravens and look ahead to this Sunday against the Bears.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's a very cool game, the game of professional football.
A week ago you were chatting with the next guest
about a big victory on the road against the Lions. Today,
unfortunately we got to do the post mortem on a
disappointing loss at home twenty seven to nineteen to the
Baltimore Ravens. Adam Thielen joins us via the Connectico Water
Systems hotline, as he does every week. Thanks again for
(00:44):
the time, sir. Where do we begin?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Eight fall starts has got to be that must have
been a big topic of or will be, I assume
a big topic of conversation internally, because I know you
guys break everything down. Do you have any working theories
on what might have precipitated that extraordinary number for the
home team? You know, obviously in this case your club
being the home team.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, we we definitely obviously it was a big topic
today in the offensive meeting, just kind of going over
the game, and really you really look at that game
and a lot of those penalties came in short yardage,
you know, after an explosive run, or maybe a first
and ten after a earned first down, like such momentum
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kind of areas that those happened and really put us
behind the sticks to start that next play where where
it's it's you kind of look at those players like, man,
what if, right, what if? What if we wouldn't have
had those false starts? What would have those drives look like?
And what would this game look like? But at the
end of the day, it's something you got to fix,
you got to clean up, and you got to figure
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out what was going on. I felt like I leadership
did a great job of kind of addressing it, talking
about it, and then kind of putting in action steps
of Okay, there's a lot of different reasons on each
one of those. They kind of had their own story
of why this or that happened, But let's talk about
what it looks like to be a clean football team,
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and let's kind of go back to the basis of
what that looks like, communication, understanding the plan, really just
being prepared and ready. There's so many factors that lead
into those pre snap penalties that it's not just oh shoot,
I didn't know the snap count. You know, there's a
lot going on. So yeah, I think it was good
to just be able to address that, talk about it,
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and move forward.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So you know, the obviously wiley quarterbacks can use inflection, cadence,
the attempt. The hope is you end up catching the
other team, right, the road team certainly jumping, and then
you get at very least five yards and you might
even get a free play as well.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Is there such a thing as.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
The case because this is this is a quarterback who
hasn't played as much that the in the in the
way that QB emphasizes the hut hut whatever, the cadence
that that can be confusing because we saw a lot
of people on your offense the ordinarily don't jump that
we're all kind of jumping.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Can that be part of it?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Is understanding exactly the cadence that's coming or misunderstanding the cadence,
the emphasis that's coming from the QB from your own QB.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, I think there's just so many factors, you know,
I think I think, yeah, definitely that that I absolutely
can be the case. I think there's also you know,
sometimes they give us a look that may be an
unscouted look, and and the and the quarterbacks got to
kind of hold the can or the kill to the
next play a little bit longer. When when those those guys,
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the big guys are in their stances for a long
period of time. It makes it tough on them. So
I think, uh, there's there's really no one particular area
to blame. I think it's just you know, sometimes it's
just focus, right, Sometimes it's just you're tired, You're you're
thinking about maybe two plays in your head. There's a
lot going on. Uh, you just had a big play,
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So there's momentum, there's there's a little bit of crowd noise,
there's there's so many factors that lead into it, and
at the end of the day, you got to work
on all of them. Right, I think I think coach
did a great job. And I'm not gonna get in
the exact details, but you kind of went over like
five different steps of like, okay, yes, Like could the
quarterback do a better job of being quicker with the
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cans and the kills and and those things. Yeah, for sure.
Can we do a better job of focusing and understanding
the plan and understanding when we're gonna can versus different
different looks. You know, there's kind of a five six
steps that it's going to take to really clean that up.
And sometimes it's just it's just somebody, you know, again,
being tired and not focused on the snap count, and
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and you have a brain part you know that happens too.
But unfortunately we happened in a lot of different cases
by a lot of different groups, so that can't happen.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I viewed, I'm curious to get your opinion on this.
I thought the game, from your guys perspective, was lost
in the first half.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I thought, obviously the first drive was terrific.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
After three and out for them, they to me, didn't
look really I didn't think Lamar looked particularly dynamic through
the early part of the game, their run game that
I thought your defense was doing a pretty good job.
And yet I look up at the scoreboard after that
late gift and a halftime, it's ten to nine.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You're still ahead, but it's one.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It felt to me like, you know, how this game goes,
you sort of have to get it going, take advantage
when a game is going your way. And I thought,
you know, I felt, on the basis of what i'd seen,
you guys should have been up ten at the half,
and who knows what happens at that point because there's
still another half to play. But it felt like you
should have been further ahead by halftime.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
What did you see? What did you think?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I feel like that's what makes games like that
even more frustrating on money Day, because you feel like
there's so many opportunities. Our defense played absolutely fantastic and
really give us a lot of great opportunities. And and
when they're playing that good and against a really good
offense and a and an MVP quarterback in the past,
you you got to take advantage of it. And I
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feel I understand where you're coming from where you kind
of feel like, man, that was a rough first half.
But but again, you go to a locker room, you're
at one point, Yeah, you know, you're you're winning the
football game. Even if you're tied after that half, you're
you're you're probably looking at it as a group and
being like, we didn't play our best football. We kind
of handed them a lot of things, and we're still
leading or tied, right, And so you have to take
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advantage of that as well. But uh, this game is
a crazy game, and momentum can be tough. It can
be tough to reattain and when you get momentum, I
think we talked about it after the win last week.
It's like, you got to arrive this momentum and really
take advantage of it and keep it going. Otherwise, once
it turns the other way, it's tough to get it back.
So we got to find a way to turn the
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tide and find the momentum and stick with and be consistent,
which is the been on biggest problem as a team
so far this year, just consistently putting on the stuff
putting on tape. Who we are as an offense, as
the defense, special teams, as a as a team as
a whole. So we got to find that that consistency
the You know.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Justin had a number of interesting things to say after
the game, including a belief that he needed to do more.
He needed to help out the young quarterback more, he
needed to fight through some of the physicality of the
uh of of the Ravens defensive backs, and that it
felt from Afar as if they were stretching. There were
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some times where he was he was frustrated. Now you
know this better than most that a lot of the
coverage generally is going to be sent his way. So
can you speak to that a little bit? What did
you see from from jj I think he thought. I
certainly thought the pass right around the end zone was
catchable and one that he usually is going to catch.
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I thought that was a pretty damn good throw actually
by by by your quarterback JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
What did you see from him?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And are there times where he, like even with his
star status, needs to fight through some of that some
of that frustration.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I'll say this is certain it is. Frustration is
part of this game and what makes it so great.
You know, it's hard to have success, to sustain success success,
to have it every quarter, every half, or every game.
It's it's hard to do. And as a competitor, as
a perfectionist, which a lot of us are, to be
able to get to this point, it can be frustrating
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at times. And not to say that that that means
that you should be frustrated, but it's going to happen,
and and it's part of the game. So you have
to as a as a player, and he knows that
you have to find a way to handle that frustration
and use it to motivate you and to drive you
to get back out there and and be at your
best the next play. But I will say that that
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guy's a phenomenal leader and a lot of trust and
faith in that locker room of him as a leader,
not just as a star football player. So he is
one of the most accountable people that I've ever been around.
He takes accountability and the next week he figures it
out and he finds a way to be better. So
thankful for him to be part of our team. And
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I know that the quarterback room and the play card
has the most confidence in the world with that guy.
So excited to see what he does next week.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know it has to be.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's the interesting One of the interesting I think elements
of this season is that this team, you could argue
on the basis of a lot of the moves that
were made in the offseason and coming off the fourteen
and three season last year, one wants still wants, obviously
to make another run or be in the middle of
the playoff race, et cetera. And yet you're trying to
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do it with a young QB. And you look at
any of these quarterbacks, they need time, right, I mean
most of them. There's the rare exception where a guy
walks in and is brilliant from the very first game,
but generally there's going to be ups, there's going to
be downs, and that's part of what I guess all
of you guys have to deal with, is that if
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you can thread the needle of still trying to win
games stay vital this season, and yet still give JJ
the opportunity to be patient with him regarding like we say,
we saw in this game, there were some great throws
he made, especially early, and then there were some where
he was not very accurate. That's the challenge this year, right,
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because often, as you know, when young quarterbacks are thrown
in there, they're thrown into teams that aren't very good, right,
and there's no expectation. So to me, he's facing significant
expectations immediately, just because everybody's spoiled in the organization by
what the team did as recently as last year.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, for sure. And I think that's the way that
they built this team. They built it to be able
to handle that, right, to be able to put a
lot of veterans, a lot of skill guys, a great
offensive line, a phenomenal defense, a special teams unit that
we have a lot of faith and trust in that's
going to give us great field position. And so that's
why this team was built the way it was, and
so we all have to do our part to take
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pressure off a young guy who's battling his butt off
and as tough as it gets. He's a gamer, and
we have a lot of beliefs and face with him.
But we all have to do our job and not
do more than our job, right. I think a lot
of times when things aren't going our way as an offense,
I think there's a tendency to want to do more
and to go maybe try to make a play and
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go out of just doing your job. And it always,
it always has happened, you know. I'm thirteen, thirteenth year
in this league, and I've been there right where you
just try to do too much and you kind of
go out of out of the finement of the of
the playbook or or of the play that's called. And
I think we all need to just focus on just
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doing our job. And and I think when you do
that and you give a young guy confidence, especially a
guy like JJ who who is, like I said, he's
a gamer and he's got a lot of confidence himself,
when you kind of just do the little things and
and you get you make some plays for him, I
think his confidence just goes through the roof and and
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really plays at a high level. So at the end
of the day, it's it's about the guys around him
to be able to do their job to really allow
him to go through some of those growing pains, but
also to be at the best.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right, So you had one very animated session where
I think in your case, it ended up being a
penalty that was declined that you did not believe was
a penalty at all. Tell me what happened on that play,
because on the on the TV they ultimately went to
the you know, their officiating guy. I think it was Pereira,
wasn't it, I think in this case, and he said
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he believed it the right call. Do you do you
feel any differently about it or any less animated about
it than you did during the game?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah. I mean at the end of the day, it
didn't matter because we didn't let the past. So I
probably shouldn't have been an animated as I was. But
I think it's just frustrating as a player when you
kind of when the rest kind of take a rule
that that and they kind of you don't necessarily understand
the football side of it, you know, it's kind of
like a technicality of the rule. But if you really
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just understand football and you watch that play, knowing the
fact that I didn't go in there and try to
kill the guy, which I which I very easily could have,
you know, that was a design play. I was supposed
to go. If he's within a yard line of scrimmage,
I can go and pick him or or hit him
and to take him off his man player. And it's
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a man play that that we have designed, right, And
so I felt like I did everything to the book
or to the rule book, and I didn't initiate contact.
I waited for him to come to me and and
stopped him right there. And I think it was a
little bit dramatic of you know, because he didn't see
me that he kind of felt the way he did
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and it probably looked worse than it was. But again,
I think the frustrating thing as a player is sometimes,
as you these refs don't really understand football, and like
you're not if he knew, if he really understood football
on what that's like, I could have I could have
cleaned him out, and I didn't, so it shouldn't have
been a flag. But at the end of the day,
you can't get animated about that. You know, it is
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what it is and got to move on to the
next one. I think the frustrations of the game that
kind of happened.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Gotcha sorry about that, did you? I mean, I don't
know if there's ever a chance after a game if
refs are off the field fast.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I know it's probably not at the top of the
list of things you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
But do you ever have conversations after or have the
opportunity to to you know, out of the heat of
the moment, to talk to to re where they say,
all right, let's you know, maybe we'll reconsider that, or
maybe I misinterpreted that, or maybe you got you had
a point or whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Does that ever happen with you?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah? Yeah, I was able to go up to matter
the game and just apologize for you know, being uh,
you know, yelling at him on the on the field
like that. But I just kind of just apologized and
and said, you know, I felt like I didn't, you know,
hit him with the excessive force. You know, I guess
the blindside block and the rule book is within a
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yard line scrimmage, you can you can pick that guy
and so he kind of said, yeah, you know, I'm
gonna we're gonna get more clarification on that rule because
I don't know if we handled that perfect way, and
maybe and maybe they did. Maybe that's that's just how
they want it called, and and that's fine.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think it's just getting that clarification. But you know,
at the end of the day, I can't I can't
lose my cool on a ref like they're They're trying
to do their job as well. But again there's that
kind of that frustration of of you know, really understanding
what what the game it looks like and when something
is really should be called and shouldn't. But those guys
do a great job of of, you know, being hard
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on themselves. They get they get graded out, and they
look at every single one of those players as rest
as well. So we'll see what they say as far
as the clarification on that.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
As you know, there is no time to wallow. You
got a game again Sunday and it's a division game
and don't look now, but the Bears are sitting there
at six and three this season under their first year
coach Ben Johnson. They've shown think they've had they have
four final minute come from behind drives to win games,
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So something different is.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Going on there.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
They've not played the greatest schedule early, but they've won
the game. So you guys again, I mean, I don't
know if you think of it this way, but you're
back under five hundred and four and five, you're about
to go on a couple of games road trip afterwards,
so it must wins are maybe the wrong way to
talk about it, but this is a pretty damn big
game on Sunday? Is it not for your fortunes?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I mean I feel like in this league every win
is the must win, and it feels that way on Mondays, right,
And whether you win or lose, it feels like, man,
either you kind of get the sigh relief, okay, we
got the dub, or you have this like ache in
you that you just want to get back out there
and and you know it's tough to lose games this league.
But yeah, I say that. All say it's like, yeah,
it's a huge game. We're excited to get back at home.
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We haven't played particularly well at home and our record's
not great, so we're excited to get back in front
of our fans, back on Sunday and just show them
what we really are about. You know, we got to
go and prove that. We can't just talk about, oh,
we got this fix, or we got this covered, or
if we could have just done this better. We have
to go out there and prove that. So just trying
to get to Sunday, you know, and prepare in a
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way that that helps us to go and execute. I
think when you have games like you had on Sunday,
it makes you realize how important that preparation is and
how walked in you got to be in every single
you know, rep, whether it's a walk through, a jog through,
or a live full speed rep against the scout team,
like how important those reps are. And sometimes you get
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in the monotony of the season and you kind of
just go through the motions and you're not trying to
but that's just kind of how it happens. And losses
like that make you realize, like, like, you gotta really
take advantage of every single opportunity you have leading up
for preparation because then those things don't happen when you
prepare the right way. So that's what our focus is,
and like I said, are excited to get back at
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US Bank. But it's it's definitely not going to be
a walk in the park. It's it's a really good
football team who's only getting better, especially since the first
time we play them. They've gotten a heck of a
lot better under a new coaching staff. So we'll be
a great test for us and we'll see what we're
made of.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Thank you, Adam, we'll chat next week. Appreciate it all right,
Thank you. Adam Feelin is the Vikings wide receiver who
joins us weekly during the uneven as he even as
willing to admit and fading the obvious twenty twenty five
football season for your Minnesota Vikings brat Shawn Brian Kafan
text line is open as it has been throughout the
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program at six four six eighty six, we got a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Of good Vikings talking points to get to. Do you
think his voice was a little raspy from yelling at you?
It might have been he was he was animated.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I I guess I had not realized that he had
apologized after, which is probably a smart.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Move, probably the judicious thing to do.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, you know, and they maybe even you gain you
gain a little ground in that regard and maybe you
get a little bit more information. I I don't know
the rule well enough to know, right, because part of
the debate was, well, that's only supposed to that's not
supposed be called when it comes from the side. It's
supposed to be called when you're going in the the
the other direction is the way the TV people put it.
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So even they wondered before Perera got in it, that's
what they wondered, because this was at the end of
the line, so this was kind of going sideways. One
could say, Uh, Pereira was was very clear, came right
out with that. There's nothing to think about here. I'm
going to assume he's right. I have absolutely no idea.
I do think I get the Land's point that it
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probably looked worse than it was the way he went down. Yeah,
and in a lot of times anymore, that's what refs
are responding to, right for sure, the look of oh,
this looks bad, this looks like a criminal act of
some sort that could have cleaned the moud.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
He said yes, like that later, which is true. I
don't think he tried to do that. But it's interesting
though that you'd even have a play that calls for that.
That would Yeah, that can be so interpreted. Yes, where
Pereira says it's cutting her eye feeling saying, look, that's
not what it was. I assume the offensive staff knows
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what they're trying to do there. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, as he pointed out, the moral of the story is,
and this kind of tells the story of the game.
It didn't matter because we didn't convert, right, Yeah, so
they they were more than willing to decline the penalty
because the Vikings didn't make the play when they needed
to make the play. That'll be part of the emphasis
when we come back with some Vikings talking points for sure,
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and maybe we even get to one with Johnny Athletic,
who's going to join at four h two. Ben Lieber
is scheduled for four to forty seven, and thrifty Traveler
Guy Kyle Potter on the current state of domestic and
international air travel out of the United States of America
is five point thirty this evening. Even with signs that
there might be a breakthrough and the so called lockout
(21:32):
might end, then there's still I guess a lot of
bumps on the road for air travel for quite some time,
and he'll get into the percentages of a number of
flights that have been postponed or canceled and how long
that's going to go on, and the longer term ramifications
of it as well.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And as I mentioned, we'll take a look. There's some interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Texts that have come in again from the Macobobos who
don't want to live in two thousand twenty five reality.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They just don't.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
They and I get it because they want to root
for their guys so much and they believe this is
going to be the guy, and they don't want to
listen to any sort of pushback or criticism on this guy,
especially when he's played as little as he has. But
I'm gonna warn them of something I told them back
in late August and September that they obviously didn't want
to believe, but that it remains, I think as true
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today as it was when we talked about it back then.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
No famous moments in a Ka gas offense.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
First in ten Minnesota, he is under center, his cadence may.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Fall start offense and Brady five five yard penalty.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It is first down.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
That's the third procedure, the third fall star penalty against
the moving company today first in fifteen, This game's about mistakes.
Paul join us again for another famous moments, kid gas offense,
It's a very cool game, the game of professional football.
A week ago you were chatting with the next guest
about a big victory on the road against the Lions. Today,
unfortunately we got to do the post mortem on a
disappointing loss at home twenty seven to nineteen to the
Baltimore Ravens. Adam Thielen joins us via the Connectico Water
Systems hotline, as he does every week. Thanks again for
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the time, sir. Where do we begin?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Eight fall starts has got to be that must have
been a big topic of or will be, I assume
a big topic of conversation internally, because I know you
guys break everything down. Do you have any working theories
on what might have precipitated that extraordinary number for the
home team? You know, obviously in this case your club
being the home team.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, we we definitely obviously it was a big topic
today in the offensive meeting, just kind of going over
the game, and really you really look at that game
and a lot of those penalties came in short yardage,
you know, after an explosive run, or maybe a first
and ten after a earned first down, like such momentum
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kind of areas that those happened and really put us
behind the sticks to start that next play where where
it's it's you kind of look at those players like, man,
what if, right, what if? What if we wouldn't have
had those false starts? What would have those drives look like?
And what would this game look like? But at the
end of the day, it's something you got to fix,
you got to clean up, and you got to figure
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out what was going on. I felt like I leadership
did a great job of kind of addressing it, talking
about it, and then kind of putting in action steps
of Okay, there's a lot of different reasons on each
one of those. They kind of had their own story
of why this or that happened, But let's talk about
what it looks like to be a clean football team,
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and let's kind of go back to the basis of
what that looks like, communication, understanding the plan, really just
being prepared and ready. There's so many factors that lead
into those pre snap penalties that it's not just oh shoot,
I didn't know the snap count. You know, there's a
lot going on. So yeah, I think it was good
to just be able to address that, talk about it,
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and move forward.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So you know, the obviously wiley quarterbacks can use inflection, cadence,
the attempt. The hope is you end up catching the
other team, right, the road team certainly jumping, and then
you get at very least five yards and you might
even get a free play as well.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Is there such a thing as.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
The case because this is this is a quarterback who
hasn't played as much that the in the in the
way that QB emphasizes the hut hut whatever, the cadence
that that can be confusing because we saw a lot
of people on your offense the ordinarily don't jump that
we're all kind of jumping.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Can that be part of it?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Is understanding exactly the cadence that's coming or misunderstanding the cadence,
the emphasis that's coming from the QB from your own QB.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, I think there's just so many factors, you know,
I think I think, yeah, definitely that that I absolutely
can be the case. I think there's also you know,
sometimes they give us a look that may be an
unscouted look, and and the and the quarterbacks got to
kind of hold the can or the kill to the
next play a little bit longer. When when those those guys,
(03:51):
the big guys are in their stances for a long
period of time. It makes it tough on them. So
I think, uh, there's there's really no one particular area
to blame. I think it's just you know, sometimes it's
just focus, right, Sometimes it's just you're tired, You're you're
thinking about maybe two plays in your head. There's a
lot going on. Uh, you just had a big play,
(04:12):
So there's momentum, there's there's a little bit of crowd noise,
there's there's so many factors that lead into it, and
at the end of the day, you got to work
on all of them. Right, I think I think coach
did a great job. And I'm not gonna get in
the exact details, but you kind of went over like
five different steps of like, okay, yes, Like could the
quarterback do a better job of being quicker with the
(04:32):
cans and the kills and and those things. Yeah, for sure.
Can we do a better job of focusing and understanding
the plan and understanding when we're gonna can versus different
different looks. You know, there's kind of a five six
steps that it's going to take to really clean that up.
And sometimes it's just it's just somebody, you know, again,
being tired and not focused on the snap count, and
(04:53):
and you have a brain part you know that happens too.
But unfortunately we happened in a lot of different cases
by a lot of different groups, so that can't happen.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I viewed, I'm curious to get your opinion on this.
I thought the game, from your guys perspective, was lost
in the first half.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I thought, obviously the first drive was terrific.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
After three and out for them, they to me, didn't
look really I didn't think Lamar looked particularly dynamic through
the early part of the game, their run game that
I thought your defense was doing a pretty good job.
And yet I look up at the scoreboard after that
late gift and a halftime, it's ten to nine.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You're still ahead, but it's one.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It felt to me like, you know, how this game goes,
you sort of have to get it going, take advantage
when a game is going your way. And I thought,
you know, I felt, on the basis of what i'd seen,
you guys should have been up ten at the half,
and who knows what happens at that point because there's
still another half to play. But it felt like you
should have been further ahead by halftime.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
What did you see? What did you think?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, I feel like that's what makes games like that
even more frustrating on money Day, because you feel like
there's so many opportunities. Our defense played absolutely fantastic and
really give us a lot of great opportunities. And and
when they're playing that good and against a really good
offense and a and an MVP quarterback in the past,
you you got to take advantage of it. And I
(06:18):
feel I understand where you're coming from where you kind
of feel like, man, that was a rough first half.
But but again, you go to a locker room, you're
at one point, Yeah, you know, you're you're winning the
football game. Even if you're tied after that half, you're
you're you're probably looking at it as a group and
being like, we didn't play our best football. We kind
of handed them a lot of things, and we're still
leading or tied, right, And so you have to take
(06:41):
advantage of that as well. But uh, this game is
a crazy game, and momentum can be tough. It can
be tough to reattain and when you get momentum, I
think we talked about it after the win last week.
It's like, you got to arrive this momentum and really
take advantage of it and keep it going. Otherwise, once
it turns the other way, it's tough to get it back.
So we got to find a way to turn the
(07:01):
tide and find the momentum and stick with and be consistent,
which is the been on biggest problem as a team
so far this year, just consistently putting on the stuff
putting on tape. Who we are as an offense, as
the defense, special teams, as a as a team as
a whole. So we got to find that that consistency
the You know.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Justin had a number of interesting things to say after
the game, including a belief that he needed to do more.
He needed to help out the young quarterback more, he
needed to fight through some of the physicality of the
uh of of the Ravens defensive backs, and that it
felt from Afar as if they were stretching. There were
(07:41):
some times where he was he was frustrated. Now you
know this better than most that a lot of the
coverage generally is going to be sent his way. So
can you speak to that a little bit? What did
you see from from jj I think he thought. I
certainly thought the pass right around the end zone was
catchable and one that he usually is going to catch.
(08:01):
I thought that was a pretty damn good throw actually
by by by your quarterback JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
What did you see from him?
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And are there times where he, like even with his
star status, needs to fight through some of that some
of that frustration.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, I'll say this is certain it is. Frustration is
part of this game and what makes it so great.
You know, it's hard to have success, to sustain success success,
to have it every quarter, every half, or every game.
It's it's hard to do. And as a competitor, as
a perfectionist, which a lot of us are, to be
able to get to this point, it can be frustrating
(08:39):
at times. And not to say that that that means
that you should be frustrated, but it's going to happen,
and and it's part of the game. So you have
to as a as a player, and he knows that
you have to find a way to handle that frustration
and use it to motivate you and to drive you
to get back out there and and be at your
best the next play. But I will say that that
(09:03):
guy's a phenomenal leader and a lot of trust and
faith in that locker room of him as a leader,
not just as a star football player. So he is
one of the most accountable people that I've ever been around.
He takes accountability and the next week he figures it
out and he finds a way to be better. So
thankful for him to be part of our team. And
(09:25):
I know that the quarterback room and the play card
has the most confidence in the world with that guy.
So excited to see what he does next week.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know it has to be.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's the interesting One of the interesting I think elements
of this season is that this team, you could argue
on the basis of a lot of the moves that
were made in the offseason and coming off the fourteen
and three season last year, one wants still wants, obviously
to make another run or be in the middle of
the playoff race, et cetera. And yet you're trying to
(09:57):
do it with a young QB. And you look at
any of these quarterbacks, they need time, right, I mean
most of them. There's the rare exception where a guy
walks in and is brilliant from the very first game,
but generally there's going to be ups, there's going to
be downs, and that's part of what I guess all
of you guys have to deal with, is that if
(10:19):
you can thread the needle of still trying to win
games stay vital this season, and yet still give JJ
the opportunity to be patient with him regarding like we say,
we saw in this game, there were some great throws
he made, especially early, and then there were some where
he was not very accurate. That's the challenge this year, right,
(10:41):
because often, as you know, when young quarterbacks are thrown
in there, they're thrown into teams that aren't very good, right,
and there's no expectation. So to me, he's facing significant
expectations immediately, just because everybody's spoiled in the organization by
what the team did as recently as last year.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, for sure. And I think that's the way that
they built this team. They built it to be able
to handle that, right, to be able to put a
lot of veterans, a lot of skill guys, a great
offensive line, a phenomenal defense, a special teams unit that
we have a lot of faith and trust in that's
going to give us great field position. And so that's
why this team was built the way it was, and
so we all have to do our part to take
(11:24):
pressure off a young guy who's battling his butt off
and as tough as it gets. He's a gamer, and
we have a lot of beliefs and face with him.
But we all have to do our job and not
do more than our job, right. I think a lot
of times when things aren't going our way as an offense,
I think there's a tendency to want to do more
and to go maybe try to make a play and
(11:45):
go out of just doing your job. And it always,
it always has happened, you know. I'm thirteen, thirteenth year
in this league, and I've been there right where you
just try to do too much and you kind of
go out of out of the finement of the of
the playbook or or of the play that's called. And
I think we all need to just focus on just
(12:07):
doing our job. And and I think when you do
that and you give a young guy confidence, especially a
guy like JJ who who is, like I said, he's
a gamer and he's got a lot of confidence himself,
when you kind of just do the little things and
and you get you make some plays for him, I
think his confidence just goes through the roof and and
(12:27):
really plays at a high level. So at the end
of the day, it's it's about the guys around him
to be able to do their job to really allow
him to go through some of those growing pains, but
also to be at the best.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right, So you had one very animated session where
I think in your case, it ended up being a
penalty that was declined that you did not believe was
a penalty at all. Tell me what happened on that play,
because on the on the TV they ultimately went to
the you know, their officiating guy. I think it was Pereira,
wasn't it, I think in this case, and he said
(12:59):
he believed it the right call. Do you do you
feel any differently about it or any less animated about
it than you did during the game?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yeah. I mean at the end of the day, it
didn't matter because we didn't let the past. So I
probably shouldn't have been an animated as I was. But
I think it's just frustrating as a player when you
kind of when the rest kind of take a rule
that that and they kind of you don't necessarily understand
the football side of it, you know, it's kind of
like a technicality of the rule. But if you really
(13:33):
just understand football and you watch that play, knowing the
fact that I didn't go in there and try to
kill the guy, which I which I very easily could have,
you know, that was a design play. I was supposed
to go. If he's within a yard line of scrimmage,
I can go and pick him or or hit him
and to take him off his man player. And it's
(13:54):
a man play that that we have designed, right, And
so I felt like I did everything to the book
or to the rule book, and I didn't initiate contact.
I waited for him to come to me and and
stopped him right there. And I think it was a
little bit dramatic of you know, because he didn't see
me that he kind of felt the way he did
(14:14):
and it probably looked worse than it was. But again,
I think the frustrating thing as a player is sometimes,
as you these refs don't really understand football, and like
you're not if he knew, if he really understood football
on what that's like, I could have I could have
cleaned him out, and I didn't, so it shouldn't have
been a flag. But at the end of the day,
you can't get animated about that. You know, it is
(14:35):
what it is and got to move on to the
next one. I think the frustrations of the game that
kind of happened.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Gotcha sorry about that, did you? I mean, I don't
know if there's ever a chance after a game if
refs are off the field fast.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I know it's probably not at the top of the
list of things you're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
But do you ever have conversations after or have the
opportunity to to you know, out of the heat of
the moment, to talk to to re where they say,
all right, let's you know, maybe we'll reconsider that, or
maybe I misinterpreted that, or maybe you got you had
a point or whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Does that ever happen with you?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah? Yeah, I was able to go up to matter
the game and just apologize for you know, being uh,
you know, yelling at him on the on the field
like that. But I just kind of just apologized and
and said, you know, I felt like I didn't, you know,
hit him with the excessive force. You know, I guess
the blindside block and the rule book is within a
(15:30):
yard line scrimmage, you can you can pick that guy
and so he kind of said, yeah, you know, I'm
gonna we're gonna get more clarification on that rule because
I don't know if we handled that perfect way, and
maybe and maybe they did. Maybe that's that's just how
they want it called, and and that's fine.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think it's just getting that clarification. But you know,
at the end of the day, I can't I can't
lose my cool on a ref like they're They're trying
to do their job as well. But again there's that
kind of that frustration of of you know, really understanding
what what the game it looks like and when something
is really should be called and shouldn't. But those guys
do a great job of of, you know, being hard
(16:08):
on themselves. They get they get graded out, and they
look at every single one of those players as rest
as well. So we'll see what they say as far
as the clarification on that.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
As you know, there is no time to wallow. You
got a game again Sunday and it's a division game
and don't look now, but the Bears are sitting there
at six and three this season under their first year
coach Ben Johnson. They've shown think they've had they have
four final minute come from behind drives to win games,
(16:38):
So something different is.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Going on there.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
They've not played the greatest schedule early, but they've won
the game. So you guys again, I mean, I don't
know if you think of it this way, but you're
back under five hundred and four and five, you're about
to go on a couple of games road trip afterwards,
so it must wins are maybe the wrong way to
talk about it, but this is a pretty damn big
game on Sunday? Is it not for your fortunes?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I mean I feel like in this league every win
is the must win, and it feels that way on Mondays, right,
And whether you win or lose, it feels like, man,
either you kind of get the sigh relief, okay, we
got the dub, or you have this like ache in
you that you just want to get back out there
and and you know it's tough to lose games this league.
But yeah, I say that. All say it's like, yeah,
it's a huge game. We're excited to get back at home.
(17:26):
We haven't played particularly well at home and our record's
not great, so we're excited to get back in front
of our fans, back on Sunday and just show them
what we really are about. You know, we got to
go and prove that. We can't just talk about, oh,
we got this fix, or we got this covered, or
if we could have just done this better. We have
to go out there and prove that. So just trying
to get to Sunday, you know, and prepare in a
(17:48):
way that that helps us to go and execute. I
think when you have games like you had on Sunday,
it makes you realize how important that preparation is and
how walked in you got to be in every single
you know, rep, whether it's a walk through, a jog through,
or a live full speed rep against the scout team,
like how important those reps are. And sometimes you get
(18:09):
in the monotony of the season and you kind of
just go through the motions and you're not trying to
but that's just kind of how it happens. And losses
like that make you realize, like, like, you gotta really
take advantage of every single opportunity you have leading up
for preparation because then those things don't happen when you
prepare the right way. So that's what our focus is,
and like I said, are excited to get back at
(18:31):
US Bank. But it's it's definitely not going to be
a walk in the park. It's it's a really good
football team who's only getting better, especially since the first
time we play them. They've gotten a heck of a
lot better under a new coaching staff. So we'll be
a great test for us and we'll see what we're
made of.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Thank you, Adam, we'll chat next week. Appreciate it all right,
Thank you. Adam Feelin is the Vikings wide receiver who
joins us weekly during the uneven as he even as
willing to admit and fading the obvious twenty twenty five
football season for your Minnesota Vikings brat Shawn Brian Kafan
text line is open as it has been throughout the
(19:08):
program at six four six eighty six, we got a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Of good Vikings talking points to get to. Do you
think his voice was a little raspy from yelling at you?
It might have been he was he was animated.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I I guess I had not realized that he had
apologized after, which is probably a smart.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Move, probably the judicious thing to do.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, you know, and they maybe even you gain you
gain a little ground in that regard and maybe you
get a little bit more information. I I don't know
the rule well enough to know, right, because part of
the debate was, well, that's only supposed to that's not
supposed be called when it comes from the side. It's
supposed to be called when you're going in the the
the other direction is the way the TV people put it.
(19:48):
So even they wondered before Perera got in it, that's
what they wondered, because this was at the end of
the line, so this was kind of going sideways. One
could say, Uh, Pereira was was very clear, came right
out with that. There's nothing to think about here. I'm
going to assume he's right. I have absolutely no idea.
I do think I get the Land's point that it
(20:09):
probably looked worse than it was the way he went down. Yeah,
and in a lot of times anymore, that's what refs
are responding to, right for sure, the look of oh,
this looks bad, this looks like a criminal act of
some sort that could have cleaned the moud.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
He said yes, like that later, which is true. I
don't think he tried to do that. But it's interesting
though that you'd even have a play that calls for that.
That would Yeah, that can be so interpreted. Yes, where
Pereira says it's cutting her eye feeling saying, look, that's
not what it was. I assume the offensive staff knows
(20:43):
what they're trying to do there. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, as he pointed out, the moral of the story is,
and this kind of tells the story of the game.
It didn't matter because we didn't convert, right, Yeah, so
they they were more than willing to decline the penalty
because the Vikings didn't make the play when they needed
to make the play. That'll be part of the emphasis
when we come back with some Vikings talking points for sure,
(21:07):
and maybe we even get to one with Johnny Athletic,
who's going to join at four h two. Ben Lieber
is scheduled for four to forty seven, and thrifty Traveler
Guy Kyle Potter on the current state of domestic and
international air travel out of the United States of America
is five point thirty this evening. Even with signs that
there might be a breakthrough and the so called lockout
(21:32):
might end, then there's still I guess a lot of
bumps on the road for air travel for quite some time,
and he'll get into the percentages of a number of
flights that have been postponed or canceled and how long
that's going to go on, and the longer term ramifications
of it as well.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
And as I mentioned, we'll take a look. There's some interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Texts that have come in again from the Macobobos who
don't want to live in two thousand twenty five reality.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They just don't.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
They and I get it because they want to root
for their guys so much and they believe this is
going to be the guy, and they don't want to
listen to any sort of pushback or criticism on this guy,
especially when he's played as little as he has. But
I'm gonna warn them of something I told them back
in late August and September that they obviously didn't want
to believe, but that it remains, I think as true
(22:24):
today as it was when we talked about it back then.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
No famous moments in a Ka gas offense.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
First in ten Minnesota, he is under center, his cadence may.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Fall start offense and Brady five five yard penalty.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It is first down.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
That's the third procedure, the third fall star penalty against
the moving company today first in fifteen, This game's about mistakes.
Paul join us again for another famous moments, kid gas offense,
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