August 2, 2024 • 41 mins
PA, Charch, & Nordo ponder Harrison Smith's HOF case, & the precarious spots for QBs around the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Join the voice of the Vikings Paul Allen. Hey, I
know that guy.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
And speaking of the name Harrison, what about Harrison Smith
and h O F if if this indeed is Harrison
Smith's final year, it's it's something about which we'll begin
thinking and a good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Harrison Smith earlier this week confirmed this is it. He
intends this to be his last season, so you know,
we'll I think that that sounds right, right, I mean,
I guess that much.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I think this is I think this is it schwin
for the.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Vikings Ring of Honor, right, I mean that to me
is an automatic and he can be as far as
I'm you know, I know there's some period of this
play off period or whatever, but there's it's it's one
hundred percent for him.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What about Greenway in the old Ring of Honor, one
of the leading tacklers in the history of the team.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, in the conversation, right, make.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Him sweat it out a little, but his hair might
be in the nipple ring of honor.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Is I don't even know what that means. Sorry, he
seems like an unlikely candidate for a nipple ring.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah. Do you remember David Boston.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So David Boston, Yeah, that guy was gigante out, but
he had his nipples peers and he would He complained
at one point during during during training camp that the
defenders got to stop getting their hands on him around
the nipples because they're pulling the rings out.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'm like, man, I mean, then get some duct tape
over those that they're They're just too quick. A sides
to that like accessories and and during the course of games,
Chris Gamble lost a twenty five thousand dollars necklace part
of a necklace on the field and I'm not sure
if they ever bound it could get his head pulled off.
He kept saying to somebody after the games, they broke
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my chain. I just kept hearing and I understand what
he was talking about. But he lost a chain during
the game and I don't think he ever found it
was like twenty five gram The grounds crew after the game. Yeah, right, jackpot,
that's a hell of a bonus right there. That is
Edgerrin James with the hair. Well, it's it's you could
grab the hair and pull him down.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It wasn't. It wasn't a hair collar tackle, right and.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Somebody pulled one of his dreads out, I mean, like
right out of his head.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It wasn't the fake stuff. It came right out of
his head. Now, Ay, that's got a sting. B What
do you think you could eBay that for? That's right,
I got Ederin's dreads.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Well, I think it was. I think it was des
Brian or somebody. There's got to be a photo out there.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think it was Dez.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
He lost one of his ear rings. Yeah, and the
ear rings were like I remember that. And there's like
a picture of like him like still wearing his football
pants like a member.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Of PR out of the field. I think he thinks
he lost it like in the red zone somewhere.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Good freaking luck with that oh Man layout layout, the
Harry the Hitman intel, so we so we can chew
on it.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's gonna be We're gonna use comps at the safety position.
Recent comps other players have gotten it. Now, Safeties don't
get in very often. I don't know this for a fact,
but I'm guessing safety center guard might be your three least.
So I pulled the most two recent safeties to get
in and it's been a while. Yeah, Troy Paalamalu and
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Ed Reid. So let's look at their numbers and compare
to Harrison Smith and see if we think he can
get in. Let's start with interceptions as a as one
of the measures for sure for Harrison Smith to get
into the Hall of Fame. Harrison Smith had thirty four interceptions.
We'll get a few more this year, maybe a Lands
thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight. Troy Paalamalu had thirty two,
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so less yep Ed Reid sixty four interceptions in Ed
Reid's career double That is staggering.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean you want to talk about going, you know
what is it going? Cowboy?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I mean, is he not the I mean he's the
epitome of that, right like he's he's Polamalu and it's
Ed Reid. I mean just out there playing center field
free safety. I see this and he's he puts the
free and free there's I mean, he's all over the
freaking place. Paula Malu was was going rogue a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Too read to me is like that you mentioned centerfielder,
like the ultimate center field safety. So was by the way,
So again Harrison Smith at thirty four, ed Reid sixty four.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Remember how many Paul Krause had.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
How many picks Paul Krause had eighty freaking wow?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Insane? Get this?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And I had forgotten this little detail from Paul Krause's
career as a rookie, he had an interception in seven straight.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Games, well, fourteen games and right in a four.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
He played all fourteen game seasons. And Paul Kraut said,
eighty one. Now, I think back then you could mug
the receivers a little bit more. I think the defense
had a little more. But still eighty one's insane. That
might be that might be a totally unbreakable number.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It is, all right.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
So next for for Harrison Smith, let's look at total tackles.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, you got Sackson there too. I got I'll get
to Saxson just man. Second, he does well defense.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Do you want solo or do you want combo tackles
as your metric? Low solo tackles. Harrison Smith seven hundred
and sixty six solo tackles seven to sixty six, Ed
Reid almost two hundred few or more than two hundred
few and five hundred seven, and Troy Polamalu five hundred
and eighty three. So Smith's already well ahead. More I
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did too, because there's very physical played near the line
of scrimmage a lot. But Smith already leading them by
a margin on tackles.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Let's get to Sacksson.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Smith nineteen and a half sacks right now. He'll get
a few more this year, maybe finishes in the low twenties.
Troy Polamalu just twelve and Ed Reid just six.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Right, so Harrison Smith's got a wide sack at randage.
You don't ask the center fielder to come in and
play shortstop now.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But Paula mal who played near the line of scrimmage
a lot, and I thought his numbers might be better.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But what a perfect fit.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Harrison Smith was yep for Mike Zimmer and al Brian
Flores because they were willing to let him blitz from
the slot a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was great, and sometimes from the a gap for
Pete's sake. But I mean, maybe this shouldn't count, but
we we have one glaring no mission involving those three.
Polamalu and Reid won super Bowls. Hit Man has n't
been to one.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So that people the Pro Football Writers Association and those
involved with this that matters.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
They care that matters. Do you think, well, I definitely
think that matters. From a quarterback standpoint, that can't matter
as much when we're talking about secondary positions.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Camp.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, it has to change a little bit. It shouldn't,
but it dies and it always does.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
I saw this you were talking about difficult to get
into the Hall of Fame as a safety. This is
from December of twenty twenty three CBS Sports. They're ranking
the toughest positions to get into the Hall of Fame,
and they note the wide receiver spot's the toughest, and
then they list out all the names. Right, I mean,
we're talking about Andre Johnson, yep, it's tough to play
fourteen years, get fifteen thousand receiving yards corner and then
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they mentioned all of the names the third toughest. And
this is what they say about safety is this is
a position that has recently opened up over the last
few years. Dawkins, Paula mallow, at Reed, John lynch Rende,
Barber Leroy Butler have all entered the Hall of Fame
within the past five years, and they note significantly opening
up a position that had less than ten Hall of
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famers just a decade prior to that.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So over the.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Last five years they've seen this massive upticks. So is
that how they're playing in the defense.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
No, it's I think they're conceding we've overlooked this too long.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And maybe that's the case.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think it's been overlooked more so than you're just
not good enough.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, and here's what. So I don't know when this happened. Again,
I'm just going off of this article. I found splitting
up the corners and safeties in the voting significantly helped
safeties get into the Hall of Fame time. That's an
excellent sign for the players who have been set on
the bubble the past few years.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
See, I didn't know that they were jumbled, that they
were all bunched together.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
This is implying that at one point they were, which
certainly would then probably favor the corners.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
If you're thinking about picks and things like that.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So definitely a tough has been historically super tough. But
maybe if we're trying to analyze, if we're throwing arbitrary
percentages out in terms of his chances of getting in,
the fact that you have seen so many names over
the last five years, is that help hit man In
combination with some of the statistics that.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You put out. I think I think it will ultimately
help him. For whatever it's worth.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Time Football Reference has got like a numeric grade on
players to get in at their position, and right now
they have Harrison Smith just a hair under Hall of Fame,
you know, and they're.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Just like against statistics.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
But this might, this season might be the thing that
just bumps him over the threshold. For whatever that's worth,
let me give you two players that do not belong.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
In another thing that you'll you'll the voters and for
whomever votes for this, you you never hear them talk
about this. It's kind of like, yeah, don't tell anybody,
but I mean, remember Paula Malalu in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Remember reading the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I mean that that you know, shouldn't it It should
be in the mix, but it shouldn't be a big
part of the mix in the ultimate team game. But
it's it matters to the old schoolers, those who play
for one team all of their career, because they just
look at it like there probably were opportunities for you
to jump to different places, maybe get more, maybe chase ring,
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stuff like that, but you were dedicated to this, this
storied franchise all of your career, and like Polamalu, like Reid,
and they have respect for that.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Let me give you two players you were talking about
how important it is to get the Super Bowl in
your resume. Here's two Super Bowl winners that have no
business being in the Hall of Fame. And I don't
wish them any ill will, but you know, just numerically
they don't belong here. Joe Namath. Joe Namath was a
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second tier quarterback his entire career. Let me get let
me give.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You this icon.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I mean he had the Brute Faberge commercial with Muhammad
Ali Corre going after Broadway, Joe a butterfly sting like
a bee, the fresh mellow brute and the punch of Ali.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
He gave the AFC their first ever Super Bowl win. Yeah,
as a twenty one point dog. That's a guarantee, guarantee.
That's right, and that's all he has going for him. Statistically,
he was here's yeah, he was good with the rams
that the last year I think lived out there during
that time. Here's Joe Namath's touchdown to interceptions touchdowns one
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hundred and seventy three across fifteen years. He was like
twelve touchdowns a year, one hundred and seventy three touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You ready for interceptions two hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh, that's this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Yes, receptions,
theouns all he must have run for one hundred touchdowns
right now.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Joe couldn't run o, not at all.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, Jed, Joe ran the studio fifty four after every
practice and hung out there with Andy Warhol and the
next Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Lynn Swan. Lynn Swan's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, you know where he had many receptions. He has
for his career three hundred and thirty six.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I mean, think about this.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Their receivers wasn't super fast the receiver. There are receivers
that do one hundred a year. Yeah, Lynz wanted three
hundred and thirty six career receptions.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, that was the Stall Wars and he's in two
and that's another clime. By the way, how many rings
does he This goes back to the rings.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But it's not necessarily the rings With Swan, it was
the Superman diving catches in the Super Bowl that he
repeatedly made. That's ingrained in the last membrane of all
these voters.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
After I mean after John Facenda and the Autumn wind
is a Raider. You think about Steve Zabel and NFL films,
NFL films, h of is nine year old Nordo on
Saturday Morning scene, that floating, flipping back all time catch
that NN Swan made, and he's got the rings and
they all played on artificial turf that looked like concrete.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
It just looks so hard.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And everything looked cold all the time because you never
got to see Dolphins or Chargers games. And Swan was
Lynn Swan is football immortality. N Yes, he is because
of the catches he made in Super Bowls to win games.
He had great he had great moments, undoubtedly the biggest time.
So I'm saying it's hof Worthy, Well, how about that.
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There's a difference between h O. F Worthy and football immortality.
Ontario Smith is football immortality. Okay, see that in Canton. Yeah,
you become that first stop you because yeah, you're talking
about Edger and James Dread sold on eBay?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
How about that Wizonator? I mean, how about that?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
How about Ontario Smith's prosthetic penis being sold on eBay?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
What would that go for? People pay for that?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
What about the third element of it though? That would
talk about Nameth and Swan is the So you have
statistical equity, you have winning equity, and then you.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Have cultural equity. Yeah, because the.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Reason the NFL is what it is today is because
of NFL films and some of those things, and the
mythical nature of which they built this up and and
you know, you just think about those grainy seventies videos
and breath coming out of helmets and things like that.
I mean, this was This was better than any movie
in some respects.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The cultural element of it.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Joe Nameth, everybody knows name it is, and that's why
he should be in Campass.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Should the Fridge be in Swan? No, I mean, if
we abuse cultural icons, they should not be in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
But they had fewer teams. It was all different. So
therefore Swan does not get into the Hall of Fame
in twenty twenty four. So if he completes a seven
eight nine year career exactly the way it was, catching
passes from whomever, he's probably not a Hall of Famer.
But during that time where watching him on ABC on
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Monday Night Football with Frank Gifford on play by play,
Howard Cosell and Dandy don I mean, that was immortality
at that time. So yes, the moments were elevated. But
the like Merlin Olsen, I mean, Merlin, I don't know
if he's in the Hall of Fame or not. Merlin
Olsen was a was a really good defensive lineman for
the Los Angeles Rams. So was Rosie Greer. But they
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both made more money and received more accolades for work
they did in movies and television.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, they shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Merlin Olsen was on a little house in the prairie, Yeah,
and he was on it for like years.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
He could have me all right, Two more things on
Lynn Swan, just reference how many one thousand yard seasons
did Lynn Swan have. And by the way, they flipped
from fourteen to sixteen games right in the middle of
his career.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I'm gonna go on a lemon, just say nothing. I'm
gonna say one zero.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
How many nine hundred yard receiving seasons did Lynn Swan half?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
He was like, there's a vibe here. We're gonna zero zero.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You know it's it's twenty twenty four and you have
a cause champion hip. Get out there to this be
the right weekend to get to Candler. Try to cancel him. Yeah,
go cancel him.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I mean everybody, everybody's there for those coming in. Our
guy is there in the Cannibal everybody who doesn't belong.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
There, and there's many who don't.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
But they agenda. I do have a Lynn Swan agenda.
All right, last thing on Lynd Swan and I'll be done.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Johnson just got in with fifteen thousand receiving yards and
by the way, barely got in his last year of eligibility.
The whole dit Lynn Swan five thousand, four hundred career
receiving yards one third of what Andre Johnson had.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's it's a it's a travesty, that's what that is.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
That's the point. I forgot what the point the boy
was Harrison Smith. We wont Harrison Smith again in the
end of the Hall of Fame. Yes, that's the point.
And I think in fairness because it's going to be close.
I adored the hit Man's it's a fifty to fifty,
you know, and not getting to or playing in the
Super Bowl matters.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
What you were talking about the third component, like are
you an electric figure that everybody knows Harrison Smith's the
most low profile guy against him, it worked, this will
work again, it will work against.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
It because I mean, Hitman was blowing up bulls left
and right every game. Well, then there were some rule
changes and the the deciphering in in in live you
know of hits and like penalties and stuff like that.
But I mean, my man started getting getting fined about
one hundred and fifty grand a year. He had to
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pull back on the way he was full throttle hitting people.
You know, there was a without the over zealous helmet
to helmet like Rodney Harrison is Harrison, Rodney Harrison.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I believe he's in the Hall of Fame. He is not.
I don't believe he's not.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Okay, well, chick, well check, you're probably right. Harrison played
a lot like Rodney Harrison. Harrison played like Harrison, but
then the rules changed and he had to pull back
a little bit. And that's that's where I have just
so much respect for Harrison Smith, because you know, he
can play center field. He's free safety, he's strong safety.
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He blitzes, yeah, and and he blows up if you
let him. Well, then you know he's getting fined every
other game. So then he he's Zimmer and whomever. They
he morphed into a different guy, you know, with more interceptions,
more so more tackles, things like that.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Well, let me hit you with this too, because going back,
I saw this notable names not in the Hall of Fame,
and we've talked about this before, is Harrison Smith has
the first team All Pro in twenty seventeen, and I'm
pretty sure he was like second. He's been All Pro
totally twice. I think there's a second team bid in there.
But who was getting it? Like the Earl Thomas is
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there was always so part of that personality element under
the radar, not under the radar to the league. He's
getting fined and stuff, But Earl Thomas, Rodney Harrison is
not in the Hall of Fame. Yet what about Darren Woodson,
He's not in I'd have to go back. I'd have
to dig into this one. Lawyer Malloy is another name
that pops.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Earl Thomas has a Joe f too, he does.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
And so.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
In his era, I think he has kind of lived specifically,
and Earl's the name that I'm going for here. I
think he kind of lived in Earl's shadow a bit.
Do you see that at all?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I mean, it's the game has changed so much during
Harrison's career from a rules standpoint that Earl Thomas, there
were other safeties also. I mean it's it's it's a
pretty good era right now for safeties. It is a
pretty good era.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
For instance, Earl Thomas three first team All Pros and
two second teams during actually what has ultimately been a
shorter career because he kind of he got hurt a
couple of times and then things fizzled out. He's yelling
about wanting to go to Dallas. He hates Pete Carroll
the whole thing. So who did he played? Did he
finish his career with Arizona? It was Baltimore? I remember yet, Okay,
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eighteen or nineteen seasons. Well, who was the Lord eighteen
or nineteen?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Who was the former Seahawk who played for Arizona And
they're on a nationally televised game Thursday, Sunday or Monday
night and he gets hurt. It's his first season with
Arizona after a long run in Seattle and he was
a big name and he got hurt and on the
cart heading to a tunnel, he's going Peyte pay yelling
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at peak.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Carrol, No, that was Earl Thomas because he flipped him off.
And I think there was a contract with Arizona. There
was a contract issue, but he wasn't. He was still
with Seattle, I thought, but he was. There was a
contract issue. He ultimately gets on the field, it may
have been at Arizona where.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's happening, and he flipped off Peeko, flipped off his
own Cape pete and then just flipped him off.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Wow you never see that.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, you bet at that point you better have the
ACL because you're not getting on the field again.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
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Speaker 5 (21:34):
Welcome back nine to noon charge we uh, and we
should be as home of the Vikings, as fans of
the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
We love the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
We are obsessed with Sam Donald and JJ McCarthy and
Sam Donald favored to start JJ and the Wings and
we go from there and we're excited to see JJ
grow and we're optimistic about Donald. But I was looking
through a couple of things last night because I saw
a couple of injuries that other teams are managing at
this moment with with quarterbacks, and I'm they are there.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
What are the other precarious spots?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
So this in in our free wheeling vein, I I'm
just gonna I'm gonna hit you with some with some
with some duos and some bits, and we're gonna talk
our way through them.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Got it? And I'm gonna start without east Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Specifically the guy that many Vikings fans wanted to draft,
and that being Drake May and now Jacoby Brissett, and
just kind.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Of feeling the vibe of what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
And you got new head coach and he's battling Matthew
Judahan on the sideline and they're trying, you know, Brisset's
the guy trying to give Drake May more reps precariousness
of that spot if we've and maybe it's just as
simply as that, is it a better spot a worse spot.
I love our situation in comparison to the third overall
pick and Brissett out east.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I like Drake Maye. I think he's gonna do fine.
The early return, very early camp hasn't looked great for him,
but who cares. You'll never remember the first week of
Drake May's camp career.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It won't matter to Kobe.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Ressett is a functional quarterback. He when he was with
the Browns two years ago, Yes, he was the best
quarterback they had on roster when they you know, but
they had to play Deshaun Watson. Then he goes to
Washington last year, they they tried Sam Howell. They gave
him a long run. The kid absorbed a billion sacks.
(23:16):
It was a bad offense and they probably should have
gone to Jacoby Brissett, And at one point they tried to,
but they couldn't do it. And in a long story,
he didn't get a fair shake there. Now he goes
to New England. Right now, he's your probable Week one starter,
even though Drake May went with a third overall pick.
If the Patriots are playing to win games, Jacoby Brissett's
gonna give them a better chance of winning games than
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Drake May will. And right now there's a good chance.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Like I said, Jacoby Brissett your your early season starter,
at least while they get Drake May up to speed.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Would you play the game base in our conversation earlier
of JJ McCarthy's potential trajectory under Kevin O'Connell versus the
opportunity that Drake will have in New England, would you
play that game at all? And that you've got their
entire coaching staff in your mind and all those things
which I.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Would, I would because you you have a defensive minded
head coach to start, So there's a mail.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Look at the style the styles of the coaches, Well
that that's going to sway the way of McCarthy, you know,
who still has some work to do to become a starter.
But then you look at the talent or lack thereof Drake.
There's zero chance I'd put Drake May out there in
this current situation with the New England Patriots, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, the the receiver group is thin, to say the least.
They spent second and fourth round picks. kJ might be
their best guy if you look at it, Tomorrio, Douglas,
Kendrick Bourne, and he's on the pup list right now.
They're dusting off Jalen Rager, still trying to make that
thing work.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
He had a kick return touchdown for them last year.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Jalen Polk and then uh Polk slash Polk. Excuse me,
let me let me hit you with the pulk. And
then Davon Baker. Javon Baker is your sneaky sleep. Yeah,
he's a Central Florida kid who was he's a rookie.
He was at Alabama, but that was a deep depth
chart and he decided to go to Central Florida and
then he just dominated the slappies they were playing and
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just looked like a man among boys. It was Javon
Baker is an interesting cats out there.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
They do.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
They have the undead corpse of Juju Smith Schuster. They
get their off. If you're wondering who the offensive coordinators,
it's another calm connection. Alex van Pelt is your offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, for the Patriots, Alex van Pelt want to know
a season as a head coach because Kevin got bit.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's right. I watch a playoff game from his basement. Though.
Precarious spot Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
So Russell Wilson gets thirty some million dollars courtesy of
the Broncos. They can sign him then for like league minimum.
But then you have justin Fields and now Russ hasn't
necessarily been participating an he's working through something. People are
lauding Fields. That seems like a very precarious spot in
terms of the quarterback spot in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
So remember Russell Wilson obviously in Denver last year, and
then unbeknownst to us, sometime around Thanksgiving, they told him
that he has to rework his deals.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
They're going to bench him, and he says.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
No, and then there's a month long battle Russell Wilson
played shockingly well wow for a bad team that was
trying to actively bench him or take money out of
his pocket, and down the stretch he was really he
was maybe one of the ten twelve best quarterbacks in
the league. Russell played well, nobody was noticing because the
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Broncos were awful and the whole situation was diseased. And
then ultimately, of course at the very end of the
season he did get benched U because they didn't want to,
they didn't want to have to guarantee his contract in Pittsburgh.
The I believe he's going to be just the best
passer they've had since Ben Roethlisberger WO because Kenny Pickett's
awful and they had Mitch Trubisky. You know they're gonna
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come in and he's going to bring.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Co Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Mason Rudolph, Yes, he will bring Russ will bring just
veteran competence to a position that's dodge rust starts. I
will be I will be very surprised if Fields ends
up being the starter on just merit.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I'd be surprised if they don't use both in games.
They might, they might, and I'm not talking about a
cade McCown and whomever he cut time with with the Bears.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was just dumb.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
It was like a preseason audition. During regular season games
they would split quarters. But there there are things you
can do with fields when you catch a defense tired,
that you can't do with Russ.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I mean, does that become does that become I mean
not true wildcat because he's a quarterback and he can throw.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But does it become bit player where.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I mean is it? I mean we're gonna devolve into
like him. I don't know, like running routes and stuff
like that. Well, I have no idea. I'm spitbottling.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
No, I'm just saying, if you have Russ at this
stage of his career and you catch a defense where
certain players are tired, and you put justin in there
and he's fresh and he and he cuts loose with
a four three four four, you're in trouble. Well look
what he did to the Vikings in the home game
here last year, where you know Russ in the second
half the time right in the second half is running
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through us, you know, thirty seventeen making plays.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Use I'm not I'm not trying to bat it down
I actually I'm thinking that Justin fields In some ways
got a bad go of it in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, he did. And now that they brought in Caleb,
they have done nothing but.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, every nothing short of everything that they can do
to support him to make this work and its first
overall pick and all that.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
But you're not too far removed from the fourteenth or
fifteenth overall picking fields.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, and so there there's got I'm just remember the
one trip, well, remember the one read bit. I mean,
he just remember that. The no swivel, I mean, he
just he he has yet to find his swivel. He
does not scan the field. When he tries to scan
the field, he holds the ball too long and takes
seventy two sacks.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
No, I'm not kidding it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
So, I mean, there's there's room for Justin, but it
played itself out.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
He's a one trick guy, a one and a half
read guy, and that's gonna hurt him moving forward.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Can't do that in the NFL. Half those recivers though, Yeah,
Darnell Mooney should not be your best receiver. Yeah, you know,
and that's what he had for his whole career there,
Luke Getzi, they fired their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
The offensive line was terrible.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
And all they've done for Caleb Williams is surrounding him
with talent. How Keenan Allen right Roma Dunes with a
whatever seventh pick of.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
The DJ Moore gets a fat deal Now now he's
championing the cause of Keenan Allen saying we gotta pay
him to I mean, this guy's just rolling in cash
out there.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Did you see what? Did you see?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
How DJ Moore celebrated his one hundred and ten million
dollar contract.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Somebody pop out of a cake? Not quite. He bought
an eight piece family meal at Popeyes.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Good for him, Yeah, hitting and sticking like Popeye's fried chicken.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
There he got it. Actually sounds pretty good. I've never
had pop up. I'm not post could It's okay, It's okay,
It's just okay. I did you rather have KFC.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I'd rather hear you talk about car dealerships. Oh stop it,
that's right there.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
If someone can explained to me where all the KFCs went,
because there's right there near the downtown. I freaking LOVEFC.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So it's so good. I worked at my first job
fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Old, adoration for KFC tell me this what goes into
Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
What goes into KFC. Everything's natural everything.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
You know, like when you get the call saw because
the colonel's secret secret deal hit the secret recipe.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Well I don't know the recipe because they don't tell
us the recipe. It just came in in a jacket,
a packet of seasoning that you mix in. But know
this about KFC. Somebody is getting there in the morning
and they are they are chopping up cabbage and uh
and carrots for the coleslaw. They are rolling out biscuits
and making the dough by hand. Ka.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
It is all.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I'm telling you, it's all. It is all naturally fresh
made at KFC. The world has turned against fried chicken
because it is fried.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I guess no, not that you know.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, right, but then we eat French fries and we
chicken nuggets and I need to chicken. But I'll drink
those twelve beers, right, you know, so to me, you know,
pick your pick your battles. But I'll tell you this,
it's it is all. It is all natural stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Let's let's continue this quarterback quandary Talker Nordo as presented
when we return to tco PC.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, you know we it's kfa N.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
The conclusion of our Friends on Foes series takes place
today where we have used play by play voices save
Courtney Cronin with the Chicago Bears covered the Bears for
ESPN to preview each and every Minnesota Vikings adversary.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
JB.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Long is into his ninth season calling LA Rams games
and he will join us about fourteen to fifteen minutes
from now. And this is the Friday Football Feast with
Pa in charge.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Reminder the Fantasy Football Weekly Training Camp live event coming
to Treasure Island August sixteenth, myself and the Fantasy Football
Weekly crew. You can be there live. It is totally
free Treasure Island. The evening of August sixteenth, Friday, seven
o'clock is the kickoff for that. We'll do a live
version of Fantasy Football Weekly and then afterwards we'll do
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some deep dive data that you will not be available
on the air, so we encourage people to come out
Treasure Island two weeks from today.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Two weeks from today.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And we had a Fantasy Football training camp, the only
one that I've attended that either was invited to attend
or attended I remember this Canterbury Park. But yeah, do
you remember the sitch I do?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Can I tell you and then you can you can
tell me if I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right or on?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Well you're yeah, Well you got to remember the situation
the night before I do go ahead?
Speaker 4 (33:09):
This is this is in the preseason, obviously, this is
the year that we drafted Adrian Peterson. Yes, and the
night before he had just had his first NFL preseason
action against.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
The Jets at the Jets YEP, and he had at
least one long run down the right.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Side in which you already saw that the dude was
not going to be normal at.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
All the moment.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I'll never forget from that game, because Adrian was one
hundred miles per hour every play, preseason, regular and postseason.
Is there was a corner for the Jets named David
Barrett who attempted to tackle Adrian, thinking it's a preseason game, man,
what we doing are? And Adrian trucked him for five
(33:53):
yards on the field and David wouldn't let go, and
Adrian crushed him the bounds because he wouldn't let go.
And then so I get back late, you know, we
get back like what three four in the morning, and
we have a fantasy football training camp at Canterbury Park
at what like ten ten, right, So I'm there on
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the panel and it's my pick and it comes to
me and I take Adrian Peterson, and you know it.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean, it's not like it was booed or anything,
but it was.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I probably took him too high, but it was off
that moment. The night before that we all had seen
against the Jets and.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
You got teased because play by play guy took a
Viking early homer, right, And of course you turned out
to be exactly right.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Adrian Peterson the next year was the first player taken
in every draft, and but it was it's every now
and again that like one in a thousand guys in
the preseason, you go, oh you already know. Yeah, You're like, well,
this guy's not normal, He's still this is an incredibly
special right.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
You had that a few years later where you're like, you, guys,
gotta believe me. Rob Gronkowski is that dude, and it's
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
And then I think it paid off. Well, it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
It wasn't his rookie year quite like that, but I
got I did. I was able to predict the blow up, Yes,
but did you say take him first first overall? Yeah,
well that's antithetical too. Yeah, that's so, that's that's the bit.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But the what we're talking about now with Adrian, I
mean that those are days gone by because nobody plays
anybody because of the joint practices, right, and so you
just you may see it from a rookie, but not
a bally hooed rookie. Like when I read the headline
Marvin Harrison Junior is probably going to play some preseason reps,
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I was like why. I mean, I understand why, and
I'm a fan of it, but it just flies in
the face of what everybody is doing now.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Sean mcvay's ruined the preseason for all of us. Yep,
I mean it used to be. I was a preseason
game defender for most of the last thirty years. Yeah,
because they're all everybody're back, so many people, other people,
including ones on this station. You're sneering at preseason games
and I was like, I'm your starters would play a
quarter in the first game, like two quarters in the
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second game, and maybe three quarters in the third game
for the dress rehearsal and then they didn't play the
fourth game, and I'm like, I want to see the starters.
I want to see Adrian Peterson on the field where
I could identify something special.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Brett farre started the third preseason game at Metrodome against
Kansas City and dinner seventy two hours right.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Case in point, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
And then Sean McVay comes along and says, we're not
playing any starters for any games. And they rolled right
into the regular season and looked perfect.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, they didn't need the.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Get they didn't need the warm up, they didn't need
the timing, and now nobody starts.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
So when he did that, it was like twenty sixteen.
It's when he got the job, and they went to
the super Bowl the first year. So it's like everybody's like, whoa,
look at this model, you know.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
And you ever see meme with with the Grim Reaper
like knocking on the door and all the doors.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, okay, so Joe Namath, Linda's Salon show, Who's next,
Jeff Fisher, Jeff Fisher should be on the way he already.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
He's yeah, he's long gone down that road back to
precarious spots.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
And maybe this is next.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
The Gino Smith Sam Howell situation in Seattle is interesting
for them because it sounds like Geno's hurt is and
Sam Howe getting.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And they can't figure it out right? Is that was?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
They have to go to a doctor too? Well, this
is this is all new. This just came down yesterday.
I don't think we I don't think we know exactly
where Gino sits right now. But they they I think,
very wisely got Sam Howlks. I'm a I'm a howl apologist.
I like him too, and I feel like he got
a What they did to him last year and the
way they used him in Washington was criminal and it's
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a there's part of the reason why they blew out
the whole coaching staff. And you know, I think that
kid can play and they've got a functional they got
a functional quarterback if they will.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Sam has some swashbuckler to him that that he may
need to pull back on a little bit.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Here's here's why you just need to constantly be refreshing
Google slash social media.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
He shouldn't miss any time with his knee.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, don't let me with fantasy football training cap in
a couple of weeks and leagues popping up all over
the place. I don't let me forget to bring this
up to you, So I'll do it now. DeAndre Hopkins
a month, month and a half, maybe two. Yeah, I
mean that's that's a big one.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
His start of the season is up in the air now.
They saw he won't he won't start the season.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
They signed Calvin Ridley to the to the Titans in
the offseason. Yeah, so they've got a little more depth
there than they had had before.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Traylon Burks off injury. Yeah, at this but as a
three or a four. Yeah, you know, with Ridley and Hopkins,
that's not bad. Well, they didn't draft him in the
first round to be a three or a four. But
that's that's where trailing Burks is now.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I first round picked trap. Yeah, it's that one. It
just doesn't look like it's gonna come together. And based
on the money they gave Calvin Ridley, they don't think
it's going to come together either.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
One last one for you here, and I know you
know DeVante Adams is in the mix, and you have
Jacobe Myers.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
That's okay, that's not bad.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
They draft brock Bowers, they don't take a QB being
the Raiders who are now working with Gardner Minshew and
Aidan O'Connell. I think that's as precarious as it gets,
as you're trying to at least give Antonio Peers something
to work with now as the head coach still got
Max Crosby. I mean he's a defensive head coach. Yeah,
that's certainly going to be a focus. I think that's
as precarious as it gets with those two.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Gardner Minshew can play a little.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I mean the Colts were in the playoff hunt until
the last week of the season last year.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Minshew. Yeah, they had to win an in game against
the Sessions.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Actually, Texans are great, Minshew can play and if they're
interested in winning games, and I think they are. Remember
the Raiders. We all remember the three zero Raider game.
By the way, Raiders are coming to town next week, right,
eight days from now. I need one of you to
bank my bet. I want one thousand to one odds
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on a three zero final score, will ye?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Will you bank it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (39:55):
If you'll bet a thousand, No, I want to put
one dollar to win to win from one of you
three zero finals.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Against somebody's dollar. You gidding me.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
That sucks. Oh wait, but you're back. You're back with
the adoration and excitement for preseason because JJ McCarthy, I
think he's going to play a bunch in all these games.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I hope he does.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Well, see that'd be exciting, excited think about it. I
mean Donald, you know, I think Donald should get you know,
fifteen ish twenty Is plays at least in one of them,
maybe at home, but probably just one of them. Mullins
is is they know what they have a Nick, you know,
It's like Nick doesn't really need to play in these games.
So I'm just envisioning Donald at one point, McCarthy and
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all of them. Jaren Hall probably in all of them.
They love him and if he's not going to be here,
let him land somewhere else. So but if McCarthy's playing
like two to two and a half quarters in these games,
that's going to be fun.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, that will be a reason to watch without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Let's pause, and if you have more quarterback wanderies, we
can get into them with Gabe Henderson who joins us
about eleven twenty. But around the corner the final layer
of friends on foes JB.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Long Box for the La Rams previews.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
An opponent the Vikings have on Thursday Night football on
the road this year and that's next
Join the voice of the Vikings Paul Allen. Hey, I
know that guy.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
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stop by from four to five pm to meet the
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
And speaking of the name Harrison, what about Harrison Smith
and h O F if if this indeed is Harrison
Smith's final year, it's it's something about which we'll begin
thinking and a good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Harrison Smith earlier this week confirmed this is it. He
intends this to be his last season, so you know,
we'll I think that that sounds right, right, I mean,
I guess that much.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I think this is I think this is it schwin
for the.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Vikings Ring of Honor, right, I mean that to me
is an automatic and he can be as far as
I'm you know, I know there's some period of this
play off period or whatever, but there's it's it's one
hundred percent for him.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What about Greenway in the old Ring of Honor, one
of the leading tacklers in the history of the team.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, in the conversation, right, make.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Him sweat it out a little, but his hair might
be in the nipple ring of honor.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Is I don't even know what that means. Sorry, he
seems like an unlikely candidate for a nipple ring.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah. Do you remember David Boston.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So David Boston, Yeah, that guy was gigante out, but
he had his nipples peers and he would He complained
at one point during during during training camp that the
defenders got to stop getting their hands on him around
the nipples because they're pulling the rings out.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'm like, man, I mean, then get some duct tape
over those that they're They're just too quick. A sides
to that like accessories and and during the course of games,
Chris Gamble lost a twenty five thousand dollars necklace part
of a necklace on the field and I'm not sure
if they ever bound it could get his head pulled off.
He kept saying to somebody after the games, they broke
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my chain. I just kept hearing and I understand what
he was talking about. But he lost a chain during
the game and I don't think he ever found it
was like twenty five gram The grounds crew after the game. Yeah, right, jackpot,
that's a hell of a bonus right there. That is
Edgerrin James with the hair. Well, it's it's you could
grab the hair and pull him down.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It wasn't. It wasn't a hair collar tackle, right and.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Somebody pulled one of his dreads out, I mean, like
right out of his head.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
It wasn't.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It wasn't the fake stuff. It came right out of
his head. Now, Ay, that's got a sting. B What
do you think you could eBay that for? That's right,
I got Ederin's dreads.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Well, I think it was. I think it was des
Brian or somebody. There's got to be a photo out there.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think it was Dez.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
He lost one of his ear rings. Yeah, and the
ear rings were like I remember that. And there's like
a picture of like him like still wearing his football
pants like a member.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Of PR out of the field. I think he thinks
he lost it like in the red zone somewhere.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Good freaking luck with that oh Man layout layout, the
Harry the Hitman intel, so we so we can chew
on it.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's gonna be We're gonna use comps at the safety position.
Recent comps other players have gotten it. Now, Safeties don't
get in very often. I don't know this for a fact,
but I'm guessing safety center guard might be your three least.
So I pulled the most two recent safeties to get
in and it's been a while. Yeah, Troy Paalamalu and
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Ed Reid. So let's look at their numbers and compare
to Harrison Smith and see if we think he can
get in. Let's start with interceptions as a as one
of the measures for sure for Harrison Smith to get
into the Hall of Fame. Harrison Smith had thirty four interceptions.
We'll get a few more this year, maybe a Lands
thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight. Troy Paalamalu had thirty two,
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so less yep Ed Reid sixty four interceptions in Ed
Reid's career double That is staggering.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean you want to talk about going, you know
what is it going? Cowboy?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
I mean, is he not the I mean he's the
epitome of that, right like he's he's Polamalu and it's
Ed Reid. I mean just out there playing center field
free safety. I see this and he's he puts the
free and free there's I mean, he's all over the
freaking place. Paula Malu was was going rogue a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Too read to me is like that you mentioned centerfielder,
like the ultimate center field safety. So was by the way,
So again Harrison Smith at thirty four, ed Reid sixty four.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Remember how many Paul Krause had.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
How many picks Paul Krause had eighty freaking wow?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Insane? Get this?
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And I had forgotten this little detail from Paul Krause's
career as a rookie, he had an interception in seven straight.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Games, well, fourteen games and right in a four.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
He played all fourteen game seasons. And Paul Kraut said,
eighty one. Now, I think back then you could mug
the receivers a little bit more. I think the defense
had a little more. But still eighty one's insane. That
might be that might be a totally unbreakable number.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It is, all right.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
So next for for Harrison Smith, let's look at total tackles.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, you got Sackson there too. I got I'll get
to Saxson just man. Second, he does well defense.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Do you want solo or do you want combo tackles
as your metric? Low solo tackles. Harrison Smith seven hundred
and sixty six solo tackles seven to sixty six, Ed
Reid almost two hundred few or more than two hundred
few and five hundred seven, and Troy Polamalu five hundred
and eighty three. So Smith's already well ahead. More I
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did too, because there's very physical played near the line
of scrimmage a lot. But Smith already leading them by
a margin on tackles.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Let's get to Sacksson.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Smith nineteen and a half sacks right now. He'll get
a few more this year, maybe finishes in the low twenties.
Troy Polamalu just twelve and Ed Reid just six.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Right, so Harrison Smith's got a wide sack at randage.
You don't ask the center fielder to come in and
play shortstop now.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But Paula mal who played near the line of scrimmage
a lot, and I thought his numbers might be better.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But what a perfect fit.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Harrison Smith was yep for Mike Zimmer and al Brian
Flores because they were willing to let him blitz from
the slot a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It was great, and sometimes from the a gap for
Pete's sake. But I mean, maybe this shouldn't count, but
we we have one glaring no mission involving those three.
Polamalu and Reid won super Bowls. Hit Man has n't
been to one.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's a big difference.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So that people the Pro Football Writers Association and those
involved with this that matters.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
They care that matters. Do you think, well, I definitely
think that matters. From a quarterback standpoint, that can't matter
as much when we're talking about secondary positions.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Camp.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, it has to change a little bit. It shouldn't,
but it dies and it always does.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
I saw this you were talking about difficult to get
into the Hall of Fame as a safety. This is
from December of twenty twenty three CBS Sports. They're ranking
the toughest positions to get into the Hall of Fame,
and they note the wide receiver spot's the toughest, and
then they list out all the names. Right, I mean,
we're talking about Andre Johnson, yep, it's tough to play
fourteen years, get fifteen thousand receiving yards corner and then
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they mentioned all of the names the third toughest. And
this is what they say about safety is this is
a position that has recently opened up over the last
few years. Dawkins, Paula mallow, at Reed, John lynch Rende,
Barber Leroy Butler have all entered the Hall of Fame
within the past five years, and they note significantly opening
up a position that had less than ten Hall of
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famers just a decade prior to that.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So over the.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Last five years they've seen this massive upticks. So is
that how they're playing in the defense.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
No, it's I think they're conceding we've overlooked this too long.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And maybe that's the case.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think it's been overlooked more so than you're just
not good enough.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, and here's what. So I don't know when this happened. Again,
I'm just going off of this article. I found splitting
up the corners and safeties in the voting significantly helped
safeties get into the Hall of Fame time. That's an
excellent sign for the players who have been set on
the bubble the past few years.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
See, I didn't know that they were jumbled, that they
were all bunched together.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
This is implying that at one point they were, which
certainly would then probably favor the corners.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
If you're thinking about picks and things like that.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
So definitely a tough has been historically super tough. But
maybe if we're trying to analyze, if we're throwing arbitrary
percentages out in terms of his chances of getting in,
the fact that you have seen so many names over
the last five years, is that help hit man In
combination with some of the statistics that.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You put out. I think I think it will ultimately
help him. For whatever it's worth.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Time Football Reference has got like a numeric grade on
players to get in at their position, and right now
they have Harrison Smith just a hair under Hall of Fame,
you know, and they're.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Just like against statistics.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
But this might, this season might be the thing that
just bumps him over the threshold. For whatever that's worth,
let me give you two players that do not belong.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
In another thing that you'll you'll the voters and for
whomever votes for this, you you never hear them talk
about this. It's kind of like, yeah, don't tell anybody,
but I mean, remember Paula Malalu in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Remember reading the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I mean that that you know, shouldn't it It should
be in the mix, but it shouldn't be a big
part of the mix in the ultimate team game. But
it's it matters to the old schoolers, those who play
for one team all of their career, because they just
look at it like there probably were opportunities for you
to jump to different places, maybe get more, maybe chase ring,
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stuff like that, but you were dedicated to this, this
storied franchise all of your career, and like Polamalu, like Reid,
and they have respect for that.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Let me give you two players you were talking about
how important it is to get the Super Bowl in
your resume. Here's two Super Bowl winners that have no
business being in the Hall of Fame. And I don't
wish them any ill will, but you know, just numerically
they don't belong here. Joe Namath. Joe Namath was a
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second tier quarterback his entire career. Let me get let
me give.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You this icon.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I mean he had the Brute Faberge commercial with Muhammad
Ali Corre going after Broadway, Joe a butterfly sting like
a bee, the fresh mellow brute and the punch of Ali.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
He gave the AFC their first ever Super Bowl win. Yeah,
as a twenty one point dog. That's a guarantee, guarantee.
That's right, and that's all he has going for him. Statistically,
he was here's yeah, he was good with the rams
that the last year I think lived out there during
that time. Here's Joe Namath's touchdown to interceptions touchdowns one
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hundred and seventy three across fifteen years. He was like
twelve touchdowns a year, one hundred and seventy three touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
You ready for interceptions two hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh, that's this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Yes, receptions,
theouns all he must have run for one hundred touchdowns
right now.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Joe couldn't run o, not at all.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, Jed, Joe ran the studio fifty four after every
practice and hung out there with Andy Warhol and the
next Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Lynn Swan. Lynn Swan's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, you know where he had many receptions. He has
for his career three hundred and thirty six.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I mean, think about this.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Their receivers wasn't super fast the receiver. There are receivers
that do one hundred a year. Yeah, Lynz wanted three
hundred and thirty six career receptions.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, that was the Stall Wars and he's in two
and that's another clime. By the way, how many rings
does he This goes back to the rings.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
But it's not necessarily the rings With Swan, it was
the Superman diving catches in the Super Bowl that he
repeatedly made. That's ingrained in the last membrane of all
these voters.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
After I mean after John Facenda and the Autumn wind
is a Raider. You think about Steve Zabel and NFL films,
NFL films, h of is nine year old Nordo on
Saturday Morning scene, that floating, flipping back all time catch
that NN Swan made, and he's got the rings and
they all played on artificial turf that looked like concrete.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
It just looks so hard.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
And everything looked cold all the time because you never
got to see Dolphins or Chargers games. And Swan was
Lynn Swan is football immortality. N Yes, he is because
of the catches he made in Super Bowls to win games.
He had great he had great moments, undoubtedly the biggest time.
So I'm saying it's hof Worthy, Well, how about that.
(13:02):
There's a difference between h O. F Worthy and football immortality.
Ontario Smith is football immortality. Okay, see that in Canton. Yeah,
you become that first stop you because yeah, you're talking
about Edger and James Dread sold on eBay?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
How about that Wizonator? I mean, how about that?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
How about Ontario Smith's prosthetic penis being sold on eBay?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
What would that go for? People pay for that?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
What about the third element of it though? That would
talk about Nameth and Swan is the So you have
statistical equity, you have winning equity, and then you.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Have cultural equity. Yeah, because the.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Reason the NFL is what it is today is because
of NFL films and some of those things, and the
mythical nature of which they built this up and and
you know, you just think about those grainy seventies videos
and breath coming out of helmets and things like that.
I mean, this was This was better than any movie
in some respects.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The cultural element of it.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Joe Nameth, everybody knows name it is, and that's why
he should be in Campass.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Should the Fridge be in Swan? No, I mean, if
we abuse cultural icons, they should not be in the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
But they had fewer teams. It was all different. So
therefore Swan does not get into the Hall of Fame
in twenty twenty four. So if he completes a seven
eight nine year career exactly the way it was, catching
passes from whomever, he's probably not a Hall of Famer.
But during that time where watching him on ABC on
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Monday Night Football with Frank Gifford on play by play,
Howard Cosell and Dandy don I mean, that was immortality
at that time. So yes, the moments were elevated. But
the like Merlin Olsen, I mean, Merlin, I don't know
if he's in the Hall of Fame or not. Merlin
Olsen was a was a really good defensive lineman for
the Los Angeles Rams. So was Rosie Greer. But they
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both made more money and received more accolades for work
they did in movies and television.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, they shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Merlin Olsen was on a little house in the prairie, Yeah,
and he was on it for like years.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
He could have me all right, Two more things on
Lynn Swan, just reference how many one thousand yard seasons
did Lynn Swan have. And by the way, they flipped
from fourteen to sixteen games right in the middle of
his career.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
I'm gonna go on a lemon, just say nothing. I'm
gonna say one zero.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
How many nine hundred yard receiving seasons did Lynn Swan half?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
He was like, there's a vibe here. We're gonna zero zero.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You know it's it's twenty twenty four and you have
a cause champion hip. Get out there to this be
the right weekend to get to Candler. Try to cancel him. Yeah,
go cancel him.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I mean everybody, everybody's there for those coming in. Our
guy is there in the Cannibal everybody who doesn't belong.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
There, and there's many who don't.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
But they agenda. I do have a Lynn Swan agenda.
All right, last thing on Lynd Swan and I'll be done.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Johnson just got in with fifteen thousand receiving yards and
by the way, barely got in his last year of eligibility.
The whole dit Lynn Swan five thousand, four hundred career
receiving yards one third of what Andre Johnson had.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's it's a it's a travesty, that's what that is.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
That's the point. I forgot what the point the boy
was Harrison Smith. We wont Harrison Smith again in the
end of the Hall of Fame. Yes, that's the point.
And I think in fairness because it's going to be close.
I adored the hit Man's it's a fifty to fifty,
you know, and not getting to or playing in the
Super Bowl matters.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
What you were talking about the third component, like are
you an electric figure that everybody knows Harrison Smith's the
most low profile guy against him, it worked, this will
work again, it will work against.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
It because I mean, Hitman was blowing up bulls left
and right every game. Well, then there were some rule
changes and the the deciphering in in in live you
know of hits and like penalties and stuff like that.
But I mean, my man started getting getting fined about
one hundred and fifty grand a year. He had to
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pull back on the way he was full throttle hitting people.
You know, there was a without the over zealous helmet
to helmet like Rodney Harrison is Harrison, Rodney Harrison.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I believe he's in the Hall of Fame. He is not.
I don't believe he's not.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Okay, well, chick, well check, you're probably right. Harrison played
a lot like Rodney Harrison. Harrison played like Harrison, but
then the rules changed and he had to pull back
a little bit. And that's that's where I have just
so much respect for Harrison Smith, because you know, he
can play center field. He's free safety, he's strong safety.
(17:44):
He blitzes, yeah, and and he blows up if you
let him. Well, then you know he's getting fined every
other game. So then he he's Zimmer and whomever. They
he morphed into a different guy, you know, with more interceptions,
more so more tackles, things like that.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Well, let me hit you with this too, because going back,
I saw this notable names not in the Hall of Fame,
and we've talked about this before, is Harrison Smith has
the first team All Pro in twenty seventeen, and I'm
pretty sure he was like second. He's been All Pro
totally twice. I think there's a second team bid in there.
But who was getting it? Like the Earl Thomas is
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there was always so part of that personality element under
the radar, not under the radar to the league. He's
getting fined and stuff, But Earl Thomas, Rodney Harrison is
not in the Hall of Fame. Yet what about Darren Woodson,
He's not in I'd have to go back. I'd have
to dig into this one. Lawyer Malloy is another name
that pops.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Earl Thomas has a Joe f too, he does.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
And so.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
In his era, I think he has kind of lived specifically,
and Earl's the name that I'm going for here. I
think he kind of lived in Earl's shadow a bit.
Do you see that at all?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I mean, it's the game has changed so much during
Harrison's career from a rules standpoint that Earl Thomas, there
were other safeties also. I mean it's it's it's a
pretty good era right now for safeties. It is a
pretty good era.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
For instance, Earl Thomas three first team All Pros and
two second teams during actually what has ultimately been a
shorter career because he kind of he got hurt a
couple of times and then things fizzled out. He's yelling
about wanting to go to Dallas. He hates Pete Carroll
the whole thing. So who did he played? Did he
finish his career with Arizona? It was Baltimore? I remember yet, Okay,
(19:38):
eighteen or nineteen seasons. Well, who was the Lord eighteen
or nineteen?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Who was the former Seahawk who played for Arizona And
they're on a nationally televised game Thursday, Sunday or Monday
night and he gets hurt. It's his first season with
Arizona after a long run in Seattle and he was
a big name and he got hurt and on the
cart heading to a tunnel, he's going Peyte pay yelling
(20:06):
at peak.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Carrol, No, that was Earl Thomas because he flipped him off.
And I think there was a contract with Arizona. There
was a contract issue, but he wasn't. He was still
with Seattle, I thought, but he was. There was a
contract issue. He ultimately gets on the field, it may
have been at Arizona where.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
It's happening, and he flipped off Peeko, flipped off his
own Cape pete and then just flipped him off.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Wow you never see that.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah, you bet at that point you better have the
ACL because you're not getting on the field again.
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Speaker 5 (21:34):
Welcome back nine to noon charge we uh, and we
should be as home of the Vikings, as fans of
the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
We love the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
We are obsessed with Sam Donald and JJ McCarthy and
Sam Donald favored to start JJ and the Wings and
we go from there and we're excited to see JJ
grow and we're optimistic about Donald. But I was looking
through a couple of things last night because I saw
a couple of injuries that other teams are managing at
this moment with with quarterbacks, and I'm they are there.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
What are the other precarious spots?
Speaker 5 (22:03):
So this in in our free wheeling vein, I I'm
just gonna I'm gonna hit you with some with some
with some duos and some bits, and we're gonna talk
our way through them.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Got it? And I'm gonna start without east Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Specifically the guy that many Vikings fans wanted to draft,
and that being Drake May and now Jacoby Brissett, and
just kind.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Of feeling the vibe of what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
And you got new head coach and he's battling Matthew
Judahan on the sideline and they're trying, you know, Brisset's
the guy trying to give Drake May more reps precariousness
of that spot if we've and maybe it's just as
simply as that, is it a better spot a worse spot.
I love our situation in comparison to the third overall
pick and Brissett out east.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I like Drake Maye. I think he's gonna do fine.
The early return, very early camp hasn't looked great for him,
but who cares. You'll never remember the first week of
Drake May's camp career.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It won't matter to Kobe.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Ressett is a functional quarterback. He when he was with
the Browns two years ago, Yes, he was the best
quarterback they had on roster when they you know, but
they had to play Deshaun Watson. Then he goes to
Washington last year, they they tried Sam Howell. They gave
him a long run. The kid absorbed a billion sacks.
(23:16):
It was a bad offense and they probably should have
gone to Jacoby Brissett, And at one point they tried to,
but they couldn't do it. And in a long story,
he didn't get a fair shake there. Now he goes
to New England. Right now, he's your probable Week one starter,
even though Drake May went with a third overall pick.
If the Patriots are playing to win games, Jacoby Brissett's
gonna give them a better chance of winning games than
(23:39):
Drake May will. And right now there's a good chance.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Like I said, Jacoby Brissett your your early season starter,
at least while they get Drake May up to speed.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Would you play the game base in our conversation earlier
of JJ McCarthy's potential trajectory under Kevin O'Connell versus the
opportunity that Drake will have in New England, would you
play that game at all? And that you've got their
entire coaching staff in your mind and all those things
which I.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Would, I would because you you have a defensive minded
head coach to start, So there's a mail.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Look at the style the styles of the coaches, Well
that that's going to sway the way of McCarthy, you know,
who still has some work to do to become a starter.
But then you look at the talent or lack thereof Drake.
There's zero chance I'd put Drake May out there in
this current situation with the New England Patriots, you know.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, the the receiver group is thin, to say the least.
They spent second and fourth round picks. kJ might be
their best guy if you look at it, Tomorrio, Douglas,
Kendrick Bourne, and he's on the pup list right now.
They're dusting off Jalen Rager, still trying to make that
thing work.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
He had a kick return touchdown for them last year.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Jalen Polk and then uh Polk slash Polk. Excuse me,
let me let me hit you with the pulk. And
then Davon Baker. Javon Baker is your sneaky sleep. Yeah,
he's a Central Florida kid who was he's a rookie.
He was at Alabama, but that was a deep depth
chart and he decided to go to Central Florida and
then he just dominated the slappies they were playing and
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just looked like a man among boys. It was Javon
Baker is an interesting cats out there.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
They do.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
They have the undead corpse of Juju Smith Schuster. They
get their off. If you're wondering who the offensive coordinators,
it's another calm connection. Alex van Pelt is your offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah, for the Patriots, Alex van Pelt want to know
a season as a head coach because Kevin got bit.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's right. I watch a playoff game from his basement. Though.
Precarious spot Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
So Russell Wilson gets thirty some million dollars courtesy of
the Broncos. They can sign him then for like league minimum.
But then you have justin Fields and now Russ hasn't
necessarily been participating an he's working through something. People are
lauding Fields. That seems like a very precarious spot in
terms of the quarterback spot in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
So remember Russell Wilson obviously in Denver last year, and
then unbeknownst to us, sometime around Thanksgiving, they told him
that he has to rework his deals.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
They're going to bench him, and he says.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
No, and then there's a month long battle Russell Wilson
played shockingly well wow for a bad team that was
trying to actively bench him or take money out of
his pocket, and down the stretch he was really he
was maybe one of the ten twelve best quarterbacks in
the league. Russell played well, nobody was noticing because the
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Broncos were awful and the whole situation was diseased. And
then ultimately, of course at the very end of the
season he did get benched U because they didn't want to,
they didn't want to have to guarantee his contract in Pittsburgh.
The I believe he's going to be just the best
passer they've had since Ben Roethlisberger WO because Kenny Pickett's
awful and they had Mitch Trubisky. You know they're gonna
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come in and he's going to bring.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Co Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Mason Rudolph, Yes, he will bring Russ will bring just
veteran competence to a position that's dodge rust starts. I
will be I will be very surprised if Fields ends
up being the starter on just merit.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I'd be surprised if they don't use both in games.
They might, they might, and I'm not talking about a
cade McCown and whomever he cut time with with the Bears.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
It was just dumb.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
It was like a preseason audition. During regular season games
they would split quarters. But there there are things you
can do with fields when you catch a defense tired,
that you can't do with Russ.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I mean, does that become does that become I mean
not true wildcat because he's a quarterback and he can throw.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
But does it become bit player where.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I mean is it? I mean we're gonna devolve into
like him. I don't know, like running routes and stuff
like that. Well, I have no idea. I'm spitbottling.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
No, I'm just saying, if you have Russ at this
stage of his career and you catch a defense where
certain players are tired, and you put justin in there
and he's fresh and he and he cuts loose with
a four three four four, you're in trouble. Well look
what he did to the Vikings in the home game
here last year, where you know Russ in the second
half the time right in the second half is running
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through us, you know, thirty seventeen making plays.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
Use I'm not I'm not trying to bat it down
I actually I'm thinking that Justin fields In some ways
got a bad go of it in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah, he did. And now that they brought in Caleb,
they have done nothing but.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, every nothing short of everything that they can do
to support him to make this work and its first
overall pick and all that.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
But you're not too far removed from the fourteenth or
fifteenth overall picking fields.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, and so there there's got I'm just remember the
one trip, well, remember the one read bit. I mean,
he just remember that. The no swivel, I mean, he
just he he has yet to find his swivel. He
does not scan the field. When he tries to scan
the field, he holds the ball too long and takes
seventy two sacks.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
No, I'm not kidding it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
So, I mean, there's there's room for Justin, but it
played itself out.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Man.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
He's a one trick guy, a one and a half
read guy, and that's gonna hurt him moving forward.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Can't do that in the NFL. Half those recivers though, Yeah,
Darnell Mooney should not be your best receiver. Yeah, you know,
and that's what he had for his whole career there,
Luke Getzi, they fired their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
The offensive line was terrible.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
And all they've done for Caleb Williams is surrounding him
with talent. How Keenan Allen right Roma Dunes with a
whatever seventh pick of.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
The DJ Moore gets a fat deal Now now he's
championing the cause of Keenan Allen saying we gotta pay
him to I mean, this guy's just rolling in cash
out there.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Did you see what? Did you see?
Speaker 4 (29:42):
How DJ Moore celebrated his one hundred and ten million
dollar contract.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Somebody pop out of a cake? Not quite. He bought
an eight piece family meal at Popeyes.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Good for him, Yeah, hitting and sticking like Popeye's fried chicken.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
There he got it. Actually sounds pretty good. I've never
had pop up. I'm not post could It's okay, It's okay,
It's just okay. I did you rather have KFC.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I'd rather hear you talk about car dealerships. Oh stop it,
that's right there.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
If someone can explained to me where all the KFCs went,
because there's right there near the downtown. I freaking LOVEFC.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So it's so good. I worked at my first job
fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Old, adoration for KFC tell me this what goes into
Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
What goes into KFC. Everything's natural everything.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
You know, like when you get the call saw because
the colonel's secret secret deal hit the secret recipe.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Well I don't know the recipe because they don't tell
us the recipe. It just came in in a jacket,
a packet of seasoning that you mix in. But know
this about KFC. Somebody is getting there in the morning
and they are they are chopping up cabbage and uh
and carrots for the coleslaw. They are rolling out biscuits
and making the dough by hand. Ka.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
It is all.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I'm telling you, it's all. It is all naturally fresh
made at KFC. The world has turned against fried chicken
because it is fried.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I guess no, not that you know.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, right, but then we eat French fries and we
chicken nuggets and I need to chicken. But I'll drink
those twelve beers, right, you know, so to me, you know,
pick your pick your battles. But I'll tell you this,
it's it is all. It is all natural stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Let's let's continue this quarterback quandary Talker Nordo as presented
when we return to tco PC.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, you know we it's kfa N.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
The conclusion of our Friends on Foes series takes place
today where we have used play by play voices save
Courtney Cronin with the Chicago Bears covered the Bears for
ESPN to preview each and every Minnesota Vikings adversary.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
JB.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Long is into his ninth season calling LA Rams games
and he will join us about fourteen to fifteen minutes
from now. And this is the Friday Football Feast with
Pa in charge.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Reminder the Fantasy Football Weekly Training Camp live event coming
to Treasure Island August sixteenth, myself and the Fantasy Football
Weekly crew. You can be there live. It is totally
free Treasure Island. The evening of August sixteenth, Friday, seven
o'clock is the kickoff for that. We'll do a live
version of Fantasy Football Weekly and then afterwards we'll do
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some deep dive data that you will not be available
on the air, so we encourage people to come out
Treasure Island two weeks from today.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Two weeks from today.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And we had a Fantasy Football training camp, the only
one that I've attended that either was invited to attend
or attended I remember this Canterbury Park. But yeah, do
you remember the sitch I do?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Can I tell you and then you can you can
tell me if I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right or on?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Well you're yeah, Well you got to remember the situation
the night before I do go ahead?
Speaker 4 (33:09):
This is this is in the preseason, obviously, this is
the year that we drafted Adrian Peterson. Yes, and the
night before he had just had his first NFL preseason
action against.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
The Jets at the Jets YEP, and he had at
least one long run down the right.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Side in which you already saw that the dude was
not going to be normal at.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
All the moment.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I'll never forget from that game, because Adrian was one
hundred miles per hour every play, preseason, regular and postseason.
Is there was a corner for the Jets named David
Barrett who attempted to tackle Adrian, thinking it's a preseason game, man,
what we doing are? And Adrian trucked him for five
(33:53):
yards on the field and David wouldn't let go, and
Adrian crushed him the bounds because he wouldn't let go.
And then so I get back late, you know, we
get back like what three four in the morning, and
we have a fantasy football training camp at Canterbury Park
at what like ten ten, right, So I'm there on
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the panel and it's my pick and it comes to
me and I take Adrian Peterson, and you know it.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean, it's not like it was booed or anything,
but it was.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I probably took him too high, but it was off
that moment. The night before that we all had seen
against the Jets and.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
You got teased because play by play guy took a
Viking early homer, right, And of course you turned out
to be exactly right.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Right.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Adrian Peterson the next year was the first player taken
in every draft, and but it was it's every now
and again that like one in a thousand guys in
the preseason, you go, oh you already know. Yeah, You're like, well,
this guy's not normal, He's still this is an incredibly
special right.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
You had that a few years later where you're like, you, guys,
gotta believe me. Rob Gronkowski is that dude, and it's
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
And then I think it paid off. Well, it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
It wasn't his rookie year quite like that, but I
got I did. I was able to predict the blow up, Yes,
but did you say take him first first overall? Yeah,
well that's antithetical too. Yeah, that's so, that's that's the bit.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But the what we're talking about now with Adrian, I
mean that those are days gone by because nobody plays
anybody because of the joint practices, right, and so you
just you may see it from a rookie, but not
a bally hooed rookie. Like when I read the headline
Marvin Harrison Junior is probably going to play some preseason reps,
(35:37):
I was like why. I mean, I understand why, and
I'm a fan of it, but it just flies in
the face of what everybody is doing now.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Sean mcvay's ruined the preseason for all of us. Yep,
I mean it used to be. I was a preseason
game defender for most of the last thirty years. Yeah,
because they're all everybody're back, so many people, other people,
including ones on this station. You're sneering at preseason games
and I was like, I'm your starters would play a
quarter in the first game, like two quarters in the
(36:07):
second game, and maybe three quarters in the third game
for the dress rehearsal and then they didn't play the
fourth game, and I'm like, I want to see the starters.
I want to see Adrian Peterson on the field where
I could identify something special.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Brett farre started the third preseason game at Metrodome against
Kansas City and dinner seventy two hours right.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Case in point, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
And then Sean McVay comes along and says, we're not
playing any starters for any games. And they rolled right
into the regular season and looked perfect.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, they didn't need the.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Get they didn't need the warm up, they didn't need
the timing, and now nobody starts.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
So when he did that, it was like twenty sixteen.
It's when he got the job, and they went to
the super Bowl the first year. So it's like everybody's like, whoa,
look at this model, you know.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
And you ever see meme with with the Grim Reaper
like knocking on the door and all the doors.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, okay, so Joe Namath, Linda's Salon show, Who's next,
Jeff Fisher, Jeff Fisher should be on the way he already.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
He's yeah, he's long gone down that road back to
precarious spots.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
And maybe this is next.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
The Gino Smith Sam Howell situation in Seattle is interesting
for them because it sounds like Geno's hurt is and
Sam Howe getting.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And they can't figure it out right? Is that was?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
They have to go to a doctor too? Well, this
is this is all new. This just came down yesterday.
I don't think we I don't think we know exactly
where Gino sits right now. But they they I think,
very wisely got Sam Howlks. I'm a I'm a howl apologist.
I like him too, and I feel like he got
a What they did to him last year and the
way they used him in Washington was criminal and it's
(37:39):
a there's part of the reason why they blew out
the whole coaching staff. And you know, I think that
kid can play and they've got a functional they got
a functional quarterback if they will.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Sam has some swashbuckler to him that that he may
need to pull back on a little bit.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Here's here's why you just need to constantly be refreshing
Google slash social media.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
He shouldn't miss any time with his knee.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, don't let me with fantasy football training cap in
a couple of weeks and leagues popping up all over
the place. I don't let me forget to bring this
up to you, So I'll do it now. DeAndre Hopkins
a month, month and a half, maybe two. Yeah, I
mean that's that's a big one.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yea.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
His start of the season is up in the air now.
They saw he won't he won't start the season.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
They signed Calvin Ridley to the to the Titans in
the offseason. Yeah, so they've got a little more depth
there than they had had before.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Traylon Burks off injury. Yeah, at this but as a
three or a four. Yeah, you know, with Ridley and Hopkins,
that's not bad. Well, they didn't draft him in the
first round to be a three or a four. But
that's that's where trailing Burks is now.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I first round picked trap. Yeah, it's that one. It
just doesn't look like it's gonna come together. And based
on the money they gave Calvin Ridley, they don't think
it's going to come together either.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
One last one for you here, and I know you
know DeVante Adams is in the mix, and you have
Jacobe Myers.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
That's okay, that's not bad.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
They draft brock Bowers, they don't take a QB being
the Raiders who are now working with Gardner Minshew and
Aidan O'Connell. I think that's as precarious as it gets,
as you're trying to at least give Antonio Peers something
to work with now as the head coach still got
Max Crosby. I mean he's a defensive head coach. Yeah,
that's certainly going to be a focus. I think that's
as precarious as it gets with those two.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Gardner Minshew can play a little.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I mean the Colts were in the playoff hunt until
the last week of the season last year.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Minshew. Yeah, they had to win an in game against
the Sessions.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Actually, Texans are great, Minshew can play and if they're
interested in winning games, and I think they are. Remember
the Raiders. We all remember the three zero Raider game.
By the way, Raiders are coming to town next week, right,
eight days from now. I need one of you to
bank my bet. I want one thousand to one odds
(39:49):
on a three zero final score, will ye?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Will you bank it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (39:55):
If you'll bet a thousand, No, I want to put
one dollar to win to win from one of you
three zero finals.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Against somebody's dollar. You gidding me.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
That sucks. Oh wait, but you're back. You're back with
the adoration and excitement for preseason because JJ McCarthy, I
think he's going to play a bunch in all these games.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I hope he does.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Well, see that'd be exciting, excited think about it. I
mean Donald, you know, I think Donald should get you know,
fifteen ish twenty Is plays at least in one of them,
maybe at home, but probably just one of them. Mullins
is is they know what they have a Nick, you know,
It's like Nick doesn't really need to play in these games.
So I'm just envisioning Donald at one point, McCarthy and
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all of them. Jaren Hall probably in all of them.
They love him and if he's not going to be here,
let him land somewhere else. So but if McCarthy's playing
like two to two and a half quarters in these games,
that's going to be fun.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, that will be a reason to watch without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Let's pause, and if you have more quarterback wanderies, we
can get into them with Gabe Henderson who joins us
about eleven twenty. But around the corner the final layer
of friends on foes JB.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Long Box for the La Rams previews.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
An opponent the Vikings have on Thursday Night football on
the road this year and that's next
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