August 2, 2024 • 51 mins
Charch analyzes the fantasy value of the Rams' offense. Vikes bites includes some insight into the new kickoff rules. PA, Charch, & Nordo remember the greatness of some of the 2024 hall of fame inductees.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
I do nothing to say a pleasant Friday morning to you,
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and welcome to the Friday Football Feast from Twin Cities
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Vikings have a preseason game eight days from today against
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TCO Radio Studios. Vikings practice later today and later in
the radio show. We conclude our Friends on Foes series
today featuring JB. Long into his ninth season calling La
Rams games. We're gonna analyze the the La Rams from many,
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many areas and many angles. But for the purpose of
having the identity of fantasy football with us here for
the Friday Football Feast, let's let's quick twitch analyze the
fantasy value of Kyron Williams. Start there in good morning,
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I imagine that JB.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Long has been their nine seasons because apparently the Rams
moved nine seasons ago and they cleaned out their old crew.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I suppose right.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, my man, he's heading into his ninth season. He's
called two Super Bowls and one wins.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Gee, and you're on what twenty five, twenty three, twenty three.
That's not fair.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Nine years, two Super Bowls, one victory of that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, that is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
The running back situation for the right and by the way,
is this the seventeenth of seventeen get to know your Enemy's.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Right well Den with Chicago Bears all the way through JB.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Long, Good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
The running back situation for the Rams is fascinating from
a fantasy standpoint because Kyrien Williams was basically a top
five fantasy running back when he was healthy, which was
most of the year, but he did miss a big
chunk of time. But then they drafted Blake Koram, the
Michigan kid who had all the success running there, and
people reasonably wonder, Okay, Kyen Williams got like all the
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work last year, but there was also nobody else to
have the ball to on that depth chart you would
ever want to have the ball in their hands. So
now that they presumably have got a reasonable second option,
is Kyron Williams still going to be one A, one
B and one C in this rushing offense, which would
mean that he should really be like a first round
fantasy draft pick. Or is Blake Koram going to eat
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into a big chunk of that and effectively kind of
neutralize both of them.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Well, they've been a bit bullish on Korum, haven't they
as well? I mean the conversation around Koram is he's undersize,
he's not necessarily going to run away from everybody in
any respect. But I mean you can't argue with what
he had like a touchdown a game, if not more
fifty somethings at Michigan. And so now he's there, and
all I've heard from from post to draft rookie camp
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on is you're gonna be surprised by this cat. He
is diminutive, he's got a little bit of bowling ball
to him, but he could absolutely be the the Yang
to the Yin as it pertains to Kyron.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, and Kyraen's not He's not a bad back, but
he's not special. I mean, he's not somebody to we go, Well,
we don't dare pull carries away from Kyron Williams because
we're leaving explosive plays off the field. Now that's I
don't think it's that situation. And Korm has some special
traits that we all saw in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
What what do you do with Cooper Cup? He has
twenty one starts the last two years. The Super Bowl
year he had one hundred forty five receptions, one thousand,
nine hundred and forty seven yards and sixteen touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
O wait cow, yeah, it's uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
For Cooper, Cup came in to last year hurt, then
took him a long time to sort of get right,
and then he had nagging injuries all season that he
tried to play through. And meanwhile, Pokinakua just blew up
right had one of the best seasons in the history
of rookie wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
So now, which Cooper Cup again?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Again?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I believe thirty one years old, was last year the
beginning of the decline for Cooper Cup? Or does he
have like one, maybe two more good, high productive seasons
left in him. I think he does, and I think
a lot, you know. And Pokina is great. I'm not
he every all the accolades he got last year totally deserved.
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But I think Cooper Cup at full health is still
a unique problem for people running out of the slot.
The way he makes separation and still can in all probability,
we didn't again didn't see it so much last year.
But I think, assuming he stays healthy here, he's not
going to go back to being what he was before
pookin Akua because Puka's going to probably lead the team
in targets. But I still think I think Cooper Cups
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sitting on a rebound year from last.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And that's what I'm curious about, is what does the
drop off for the beginning of the end look like.
He has only played in less than you said it
was twenty one starts, and some of those have been
under a hobbled condition in themselves, so you know, what
is it? You know, he's well, he set a standard
or set a I mean a potential all time mark
with that one year with nearly two thousand yards, receiving
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all the touchdowns and everything, gets to hoist the Lombardy
all of that, So that's probably not attainable. But he's
still eleven eleven, twelve hundred yard guy. When one hundred
catches and he still has some breakaway. You get him
wide open, his route running is unbelievable. He'll get away
from you for sixty and at score. So no, he's
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If the drop off for Cooper Cup is that, then
he's still a badass.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Where does he go Fantasy drafts? Right now? Cooper Cup's
going fourth, fifth round, got it? That's about right? I think,
you know, as a hind.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Pooka is going like end of first round, beginning of
second round. I mean there's you know, I think anybody
who watched him saw special traits from him.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And what you know is not super fast, which makes
him even better kind of you know what I mean? Yeah,
like Davante Adams is not a blazer, but you know,
it could be argued he's the best overall receiver in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
There might be no more overrated trait for a wide
receiver than speed.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I mean, look at the treasure Tyreek Hill the way,
and it's the short area of speed for him, and
he's diminutive, which yeah, yeah, right. You know what what
Tyreek Hill does so well is turns on a dime
and then hits the jets and and nobody can you know,
you can't keep up with his ability to make those
cuts and now he's got cushion and then he hits
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the jets and the accelerations absurd. The guys who never
seem to pan out are these track stars who run
the four to three seven straight Willie gald Kid go Yes,
if you want to go back to the seventies.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And eighties, Darius Hayward bay John Ross.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
As a more recent example, Washington Bengals cat Bengal or
something like insane.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So you know, those guys almost you know, almost never
end up being meaningfully good receivers. We want guys that
can get open first and foremost and then ideally after
the catch well and then by the way, catch the ball.
You know, like Quinton Johnston can't seem to catch the ball,
you know, maybe get open a little bit, can't catch anything.
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The kid taken right behind, right ahead of Jordan Addison
Vikings dodge.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
You know that was a that might have been a gift.
Are we two for two in dodging here? Yeah? Because yes,
behind in front of JJ and now.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Quinton Johnson comes out in the wash. We didn't dodge
Lukuan Well, there is that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
There is that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
That was the year we wanted Michael Thomas, I believe
was fantastic though. Now, so what are you still in
the league, by the way, yes, he is.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
What do you have for now?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
What what do you think of this probability that because
McVeigh loves Cooper Cup and he's one of the great
red zone threats. Really in the last twenty years of
the NFL, they pookin Nakula for show and they Cooper
Cup for Doe. And here's why I bring it up,
because the Byu kid went for nearly fifteen hundred yards. Man,
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he was targeted one hundred and sixty times. Geez, but
six touchdowns. So six touchdowns good number. But I mean,
I'm just kind of vibing right now and just just
feeling instinctively we're gonna pookin Nakula for show and Cooper
Cup for doubts.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's a fascinating angle. I'm kind of listening to that.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And what makes what makes Cooper Cups so fascinating for
us it from a scoring situation, slot receivers almost never
are goal line threats, you know, like inside the ten
yard line. Those aren't guys where you've built an offense
around your slot receiver. Usually it's DeVante Adams Adam Feelin
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as the two best recent examples of receivers man who
get targeted at plays round just for them from inside
the ten yard line. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers to DeVante Adams
was freaking lethal. It was like giving the ball to
Larry Kinnebrew at the two yard line. It was an
automatic touchdown. Now did aj Dillon land anywhere? Now he's
still at the Packers, many believed, Many believe he's gonna
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get cut to damn Yeah, and there are people already
projecting him out of the Vikings by the way to
get him back with Aaron Jones.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I don't think Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs is a guy.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
You don't You don't need an aj Dillon type of
guy for he I mean, he's an absolute workhorse back,
he's proven his entire career.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And a much more dynamic back at that.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Indeed, you know, the way AJ Dillon is built, the
guy should be unstoppable for three yards. He should just
be dragging four defenders behind him. He should be aj Hord, right,
he should be aj Hord at a minimum. And uh
and instead we got a guy with you know, the
Packers have a guy with very few moves and who
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goes down way easier than somebody with his quadzilla build
should have.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So we were shocked that they re signed him. They
could have put that money towards Aaron Jones. Yeah, I
don't know. Everybody's baffled by the Aaron Jones decision, but
you know, great for us.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh how excited were you last night with the Hall
of Fame game ball? Well, it's a return to football.
But just Davis Mills, did you see how could he
looked unbelievable in ID be a couple of years later
on this thing, and you got a nice one right
in front of him. But I mean you got to
start somewhere, right, got to start somewhere. Look, you'll remember
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that draft. I can't watch Davis Mills and not think
of you.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
And I'm glad because that draft. The Vikings in the
third round took Kellen Mond one pick before Davis Mills.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And at the time, I'm like, kind of like Mon,
they really like Davis Mills.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I wish we would have done this with Davis Mills
because at least he looks he projects to be an
NFL level quarterback and I didn't think Mon did. So
I was grousing about it then. And Davis Mills still
in the league, and you know, it's teasy to look
good in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Game, but I don't care.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So as the Friday Football Feast negotiates of the journey.
Today we will get into the first unveiling, unfurling and
or display of the new kickoff role. There were eight
kickoffs last night, a long of thirty one. The average
starting position was the twenty five and a half and
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there was one touchback. But the freakazoid nature of just
how it looks bears conversation, and that'll come up later.
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So thank you Thousand Hill. You guys were talking about
Davis Mills in the Hall of Fame game last year. Okay, well,
did you guys watch the kickoff?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, that was the most exciting part of the game
for many Yes, and it was. It was fascinating to
see how it ended up working.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And you know, I'd read.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
About the rules, right, but it's totally different when you
actually see it in the visualization.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
No, the rules seem completely nonsensical on paper, but then
I thought it. But I have to say after the
way and then the amount of time, It's not like
we spent a ton of time on it. But you
know what I mean, We've talked about this several different instances.
It was kind of anti climactic last night. Yeah, they
kicked it short when they returned. They have to return
in at that spot, so they grinded it out to
the twenty seven or twenty eight versus you know, just
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a normal touchback scenario.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It was kind of anticlimactic overall.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
But the at least for my taste or for my eye,
you can see the land of opportunity. You can see
if there's one mistake, one breakdown, Yep, it's over. I
mean it's probably two. Because it's what special teams coordinators
watched last night, you know. Is it's new as it
goes here, but they've watched a lot of XFL film
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and as we as we mentioned yesterday, I think as
the season moves on, a big, big key here compared
to the way the XFL does it is between the
forty and the thirty five. Is that the coverage guys
begin at the forty and not the thirty five, right,
So the landing zones the twenty. If somebody tries to
get the two worst case scenarios here, the ball bouncing
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before the twenty play dead, you're going to the forty,
or it goes out of bounds, you're going to the forty.
So those those are facets. You can tell they hyperactively
are trying to avoid. Steven Simms had won. And there
was another cat where when you watch it back, there's
a jump cut from getting another ten to fifteen yards.
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It's the coverage. Guys are on you a lot faster
than I thought it was. Yeah, so it's you know,
it's it's body type, it's jitterbug type style. It's what
you said about receivers where straight line speed. Yes, if
you get buy them then it's required. But it's a
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completely different type of player that's going to be needed
back there. And and and quite honestly, I think the
NFL has brought life to something that was dead. Well
it was dead something and they gave out the stat
during the broadcast, but I remember exactly what it was,
but it was something like ninety two percent of kickoffs
or touchbacks. It was a non play, and you know,
it was boring television.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And so I'm glad that they've they've found a way
to make it so that you are incented on both
sides to return the ball. Yeah, and that you know,
kudos the NFL for addressing a serious problem and coming
up with a possible solution for it. Here's the player
who's perfect as the return guy for us any team, Yeah,
Cordaryl Patterson.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
And you know what, and that's part of it too,
is Corderol was and returning the ball last night. So
that could be a factor when you start getting your
best of the best in the message. And I'm glad
you said that, because when this whole thing came out,
I thought Cordaryl is going to be the worst, or
like he's too big.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Cordaryl. It takes a minute to get going, but he's
so big in the hips and the thighs and so
tough to bring down. He's not of the jitterbug variety.
I was wrong because the more I learned about it
and then off, what I saw last night is the
massive advantage returners have is running up on it. Yeah,
their full speed. The rest of Rube Nation is not correct.
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So Cordaryl, I think you're dead right because and he's,
you know, the greatest kick returner in the history of
the NFL. But nevertheless, he's strong enough to get out
of that first tackle and fast enough to get by
the second wave. The kicker has no shot. So I've
completely flipped on that where I was thinking, you know,
like like say Dante Hall still in the be unbelievable.
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You know here Brandon Powell's been used a lot, can
they Wan Woo's not twitchy in my estimation, but he's fast.
You know, as I said yesterday to Laber, Justin Jefferson
would be unbelievable at this because he's twitchy, he makes
people miss, he slides, and he's fast.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But you don't get to throw eight team back there.
But I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean the cor Darryl Patterson types, man, that's gonna
be tough.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You hit an extremely salient point that I haven't heard
anybody else really articulate. Because these returners get ten to
fifteen yard run up. They're at full speed and so
you don't have to be the quick, twitch, instant accelerating guy.
What you want is somebody who can break a tackle
that can has the vision to see the lanes opening
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and then the long.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Speed to hit that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And that's another big advantage the returners have is they
don't have to go ball guy, ball guy.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Guys can't move well.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Therefore you're like, looking, okay, where you mean where there
is a coverage left coverage right?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Have they would start five on each side, but.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
When they come running down the field previously speaking well,
they would angle to different areas. So therefore, while they're
strong on the right, we have a left return set up.
I'm in business here right where now you can just
look at it, run, catch it, and then they're taking
off from a standstill. And and if you and and again,
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if you get by that first wave, you're in businessman,
which nobody did last night. But you know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
And because almost all you have you have two players
who are back behind the scrum. You got the kicker
or you got the kicker and then one other player.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, so it wasn't it weird When holder guy was
out Townshend, Tommy Townsend, he held the ball and so
twelfth man's on the field and and then boom you
kick it and he runs off right.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's yeah, that is That is odd, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But there're gonna be guys where if you just get
past that and initial scrum of players just beat the
kicker gone, you know there's gonna be some long there's
be some long touchdown.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
From a special teams coordinator standpoint. And you saw it
a little bit last night. Is I think it was
the Bears who were defending a kick against Stephen Simms,
where you have ten guys, okay, but they don't all
come running down to the guy. You have some who
drop back to wherever the film study is going to
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take them, thinking your tendencies are when this is shown
you go this way right, Well, if you drop guys
back in the wrong spots, now you have seven or eight,
you know, against all the blockers and the returner. So
it just it's still such a work in progress, but
I felt it after the first two returns you could
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just see, you know, one guy slipped and if he
didn't slip, then he could have gone left for another ten.
But you can just see that again the NFL has
taking a dead antiquated bit and brought life to it.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, they did it with the extra point, right, ten
years ago, the extra point was a ninety eight percent make.
It was a non factor. Yeah, okay, let's back it
up whatever twenty yards and let's make this thing a
ninety percent make, right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And Justin Tucker made sixty in a row, and he's like,
you guys want to go back to the forty and
even this thing out?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Right. Well, the only thing that's left now is they still, however,
have completely neutered the on side kick.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah. No, And so the on side kick was dead
anyway when they went five on five on each side.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
But I think every every various gradiation of it has
led it to being less and less likely, which is
too bad. Now there's a bit you can only do
it in the fourth quarter or something like that, and losing.
You have to be losing, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
The surprise on sidekick being dead, you know, that's that's
that's kind of that's a little bit of a buzzkill,
because I mean, you can catch teams off guard if
they're not paying attention, they're lazy, got losing records thinking
about the off season. You can catch somebody off guard
with an onside kick, even five by five.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
But now that's dead too. Yeah, And it's which is
a little too bad.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
You would think the best, one of the best things
that can happen in any sporting activity is to have
the team that's losing make a thrilling come from behind victory, right,
And you're taking some of the teeth out of that unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, but but I mean if you score and you
open up two scores middle of the fourth quarter and
and it's windy, or you have weather elements and kicker
guy mishits it or even tries to get too cute
and that sucker bounces at the twenty one and they
stopped the play and you're all of a sudden at
the forty.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, if you're down.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Ten, if you down if you're down ten, you're ninety
your You're three plays in ninety seconds for making it
a one score game.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Well yeah, well it's what the Vikings live through against
the Saints in two thousand and nine. Well, you know,
we we kicked off Saints returned it to the forty
I mean to what like two first downs, three first downs,
and then they kick the field goals.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Griffin ripped up his ACL and the kick Asher Allen, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Why you got to bring that up? And then and
then show because I'm still haunted by it fourteen years later,
That's why. And then Sean Payton went to surprise onside
kicks the Super Bowl. Yeah yeah, I loved it. It's
so happy for his win, everything that he had to
go through and say that for years.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Oh yeah, you had a Netflix show about you know,
that coming of age story just for some reason.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Sweet.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
We don't even know why he had that year off
to coach his kids football team, but it's because he
loved the kids so much. Heartwarming, Absolutely game.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
They should adapt Sean Payton's life story into an animated
show for kids because it's so heartwarming. It's something I'd
love to raise my child knowing the details of Sean
Payton's life and perhaps emulating him more than me.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You know. You know what is heartwarming.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And I mentioned this yesterday to Nordo is our first
preseason game is an NFL Network game, so you know,
home the home team. You know, one time we'll get
in an NFL Network game. I don't know what time
Denver plays that day, but I really hope it's not
three o'clock Central. So the anti Vike Sean Payton can
watch JJ McCarthy. Run for run for forty, throw for thirty,
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and just light it up and just just let him
see that in nationally televised fashion so he can recognize
the love he lost.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Well he wanted Nix from Oh absolutely, just ask you, yes, yeah,
be happy to tell you about how Yeah he what
do you say that he forced us out off our
fourth round pick?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, he's making a lot of senses off season. He
made us think that he was going to jump. Yeah,
and which has checkers, which really matters, you know, because
the Broncos are in the same conference as us. Oh wait,
they're in the same division. Oh wait, they have us
on the schedule.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Oh wait.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So that thing was so stupid. He actually should have
wanted to jyp the New York Jets. Yeah right, in
the same conference. Yes, but he's so petulant, you know,
because there's some steam that got out that he didn't
like that he had to take that stupid shot.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It didn't make sense. And I hope they went three.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Ye If bone Nix ends up being better than JJ McCarthy,
I'm going to be crust Volts.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's not happening. It can't right, It's not gonna happen.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I'll take McCarthy eight and a half out of
ten times of her BONEX.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Now McCarthy has has, by almost all accounts, look good
to this point. Yeah, you have been saying for months
you think the timetables and the runways extremely long. JJ
McCarthy has anything in these first days of practice changed
your thinking on the timetable.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's interesting you said that because I chatted about that
right out of the gate yesterday, where it's like, from
from my predictive standpoint, okay, with no depth chart steam,
I still think it's a since trifecta Darnold into Mullins
into McCarthy. So I still think that's the heavily favored trifecta.
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But with JJ, it's the more I watch him, and
I've watched a lot of his throws, is the nuance
is starting to happen. Like like a rookie camp or
mini camp. Say it's a shorty or an intermediate, I'm
watching it going damn man. You know, you know you
know more about quarterbacking than me, But that was a
little Nolan Ryan esque right there.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Now he's lofting it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
His accuracy and his confidence because McCarthy right, hash left
sideline left, hash right sideline, super hard throw. Cousins was
extremely good at it, and McCarthy in college extremely good
at that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But it's a confidence play. It has to go quick twitch.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
The gift of the arm strength is one thing, but
having the confidence to do it against guys at this
level is another. That's starting to come together where he's
timing that up and he's throwing guys open with difficult throws.
It's just the nu wants. And finally, it's the way
he senses pressure. It's just natural and you'll see it,
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you know, if you watch camp clips or when you
see him in these preseason games. It's whether it's part
A visions unbelievable. He just has a natural sense. It's
like like I said yesterday, you know, it's not that
Cousins didn't sense it. Cousins took hits, he did. He
bunced up yes and hit you for thirty the next play.
McCarthy ain't trying to get hit. I mean he feels
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it and he runs well, he's got the ability to run. Yes,
he runs with his eyes down the field, and that's
that that for for for me, you know, I'm not
trying to sound like Bence Lombardi here, but for me,
eyes down the field and do you loft it to
the tight end?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
For six? Do you have fire?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
He's strong enough to fire across his body sort of
and do you get that in the intermediate But no,
his his innate ability to sense where the pressure is
coming from, and then the alacrity with which he runs.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's quick twitch. It's just to watch it come together.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's just fascinating because we don't see this often, Like
with Teddy Bridgewater. That would be the last one. And
then he had a preseason game against the Chargers and
then he was lost. He was lost for the year.
Who was it before that? Christian ponder that that was
a different type of game style. Christian had a very
accomplished career at Florida State University academically.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Didn't throw it as hard as JJ. He just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
He didn't run the same way. It's your ear when
McCarthy as he continues to get up to speed, you're
really gonna like him. And I think you're gonna like
him a lot in these preseason games.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, and that was part of my for vites Bytes
Bikes because I was kind of framing it out.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
If if JJ McCarthy is just okay, and he's just
a twenty one year old about to turn twenty two
in these preseason games, well, it's part of the development plan.
What if he does absolutely blow our minds? You know,
right now we're seeing those clips and most of them
are super positive. I think there's an aspect that needs
to be played into. Okay, he's not making four progressions
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every play, there's some eye contact with a specific route
and he's making the right play. The athleticism is there,
all that, but ultimately development plans awesome. What if he
truly does blow us away starting Saturday against the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
See see that?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I mean, with what he's going to face against the Raiders,
the Browns and the Eagles, it's it's I mean, this
is cliche, but it's not Dexter Lawrence, it's not Danielle Hunter,
will Anderson and the rest of that that crew. It's
it's not Bosa and the Niners and the way they
do it.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
So you know, I just I you know, I understand
what you're saying, and it's it's because anything short of
brilliance then it's business as usual, and we're excited to
see Sam and what he can do. But there's I
don't know where that line sits, but but I can
already feel there's a bit of a tenor and a
din that's starting to happen here among Vikings fans. But
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it's like, what if he does absolutely blow our minds?
And I'm hoping that happens. I just don't know how
you handle it from there, But there.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
There are a fair amount of Viking centric social media
sites that I'm just seeing too much. McCarthy's killing Darnald
in training camp.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
No he's not. I mean he's not. They're just asked
to do different things exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And McCarthy over the top to a wide receiver behind
a first corner does not a career make because then
if you want to go down that road. Three throws later,
he throw the worst pick. He threw the worst pick
we've seen all training camp. It's again, it's cliche as
it is. Enjoy the process of raising a twenty one
year old quarterback who's incredibly engaging, has humility where he
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understands his lot in life and he doesn't complain about it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
He's not like a.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Martyr and it he understands that this is hard, man,
and the way things are handled now are dramatically different
than when the regular season begins. So now you got
to think the processing NFL defenses, the complex nature of
the playbook, and bam, just like Darnald, for better or
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for worse, has done it.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's it's it's what we said last year.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Dobbs had some moments. Jaren Hall had some decent moments.
Then they got hurt. But when Mullins came in, it
looked like the O'Connell offense. Now, there were interceptions at
ends of games that would be problematic, but we would
go from like, I mean, they're middle of the third
quarter with one hundred and ninety passing yards, then Mullins
the next gay middle of the third quarter, we got
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three away with one touchdown on one pick. It's just
it's it's with the veterans know where the bones are buried.
They know how to identify defense as quick twitch and
JJ will you just have to wait.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
We're impatient because he was the tenth player taking in
the draft. He's the quarterback of the future. We all
want it, you know, we see training camp highlights of
connecting on nice passes and we get antsy. But if
you if he is the quarterback of the future, he's
twenty one now, we want him to be here when
he's thirty one. We're not going to remember week one
against the Giants, Week two against who I don't know, uh, Jets, Niners, Niners, Niners,
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then Texans the Jet. You'll never will never remember that
he didn't start those games. When he start winning is
the starter for us, and you gotta they're an aft
to have patience, which we all think. I think fans
understand that. I think they do intellectually understand that, but
emotionally you get jacked up when you see all the highlights.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
You're pretty happy.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
And I think part of that wave too, because I've
seen it and I love the rubidity. Let's get excited
about this team.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
There were a couple prior to this onslaught that you're
talking about. If people like look at every single possible
positive thing that JJ's doing, there were a couple of
people in their their NFL national aggregators right larger accounts,
they were like JJ's struggling in camp. People are you know,
whispering about you know, was this the right decision to
have him on the team. There was the Dov climbing
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bit and a couple others that kind of went off
that just so again Twitter aggregators, the national national accounts,
and so I think that's like the the over correction
some regards where it's like, first of all, you're dumb,
no one's worth I mean, no one knows enough at
this stage to say that he's struggling in camp. And
as a matter of fact, he did this thing that
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was better than Sam Darnold. So look at our tenth
overall pick now blee role.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Well do you guys remember I mean I remember justin
Jefferson's training camp, it's being very nondescript.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, nondescript, and you know, unlike say Randy Moss.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, you know, I've been here long enough, and I
you know, you guys were younger, but I think you
were in town at that point.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Paul first year, first year when.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Randy Moss's training camp was oh my god, nobody can
stop this guy. Yeah, and it's like, you know, every practice,
here's five touchdowns and you know we can overthrow eight
that then he's doing the PA he's parrowetting into one.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
I was.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I was thirteen year old Nordo at Blake's Lee and
Cato hometown. And yes, he's doing the parrowetting one handed
catches on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
He's stiff arming and mean mugging corner. I mean it
was just it was light. I mean it was a
full on heavyweight show for a minute one with him.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
And then you go to Justin Jefferson, who might end
up having a career, probably not.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Quite where Randy Moss is, but he's on a Hall
of Fame trajectory.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And his training camp was mostly nondescript, right, Yeah, you know,
you know we were seeing highlight clips.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
We weren't, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I remember you and I asking Kirk Cousins near the
end of training camp were on the perch. Kirk is
up up joining us and we asked him about Justin
Jefferson and he deflected it to you know, like.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Wide Receiver five.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, he said, oh, you know, I know people care
about Justin Jefferson, but how you know, But what I
really want to tell you is how I don't remember
who the kid was anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Wide Receiver five is doing And I'm like, man, is
that a what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I think I think the the the way we've laid
out the McCarthy situation, it's analogous to twenty twenty four
where you're either wow, look at that, you have to start,
or wow, look at that you don't belong all the extremes.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, it's it's one or the other, and it's not.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
And you know, I defer to the obviously the coaches
with Kevin O'Connell and and you know, his expertise and
wanting to win games as quickly as he can. And
so therefore if Darnold you know, appears to be the
first guy because with whom he's working a training camp, well,
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the deference is the coaches, specifically this offensive minded coach
for me, you know, he all the benefit goes that
way a great However, they're not always right, okay, And
you know, like Norv Turner in Stefan diggs first year
twenty fifteen I believe it was twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Diggs was the story of the entire offseason. Yeah, putting
Trey Wayne's on skates man and then many camp rolls
around and he's killing the veterans. Well, well, Steph didn't
play for basically the first three games, and it took
an injury to Jerry's wright for him to emerge. And
we're at Mile High in Denver and Diggs, you know,
they got him up to speed that week and you know,
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after the game, just remembering what a key to leave,
Chris Harris and Bradley Roby said about whoa where'd this
guy come from?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
We had seen anything on film.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
They were doing Pirowett's, they were spinning, they were slipping.
I mean, Diggs murdered.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Them in that game.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
It was the game TJ. Ward blitzed off the edge
and Adrian Whift on it and it was a strip
sack and the Broncos won the game. That's the year
they went on to win the Super Bowl. But but
coaches aren't always right with these decisions either. Where it
was it was clear and I love Nor, but it
was clear. I mean, Digs should have been in that
bad Boy right out of the gate.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Coaches are very conservative generally, and they tend to err
on the side of you know, their veterans who they
know and they trust, and they've seen all the film
on and you know, yeah, it's you see, you see
that happen all the time. What I like about our
coaching staff, and I don't want to make this sound
too cheerleader e, but I'm not worried about Kevin O'Connell
maximizing the career that JJ McCarthy or any or any
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of the other offensive players are going to have.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
He's going to do that. I trust Kevin O'Connell. If
we had a different coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
One of the variables I would be having for for
JJ McCarthy's success is do we have the right coaches
to let him be great? Then you look at Sam
Donald's career and the horrible coaching that he had had,
and we don't know if he had had a Kevin
O'Connell level of coaching in your one with Sam Donald
had a totally different career path. Instead, he had coaches
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that are almost entirely out of the league now as
his head coaches and his offensive coordinators, and we don't
know if they're you know, we don't know that Sam
Donald had a better, different career.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I don't worry about that here. I don't worry about.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Kevin O'Connell getting the most out of JJ McCarthy and
maximizing his talent, because I think he's already proven that
he can do that.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Well, I think I think that, and not only that
he's proven it, but also about all the players pre
draft it was I mean, it's been reported on quarterbacks
wanted to be here, and these kids, you know, they're
laying out their futures. They probably understand, just as we
watch it as outsiders, that this coaching situation doesn't work.
And next hour, as a matter of fact, we're going
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to talk about some precarious quarterback spots and maybe a
couple of guys that would their trajectory be different here
versus where they currently are. And I think you can
see that as as these guys truly saw the opportunity
that was here in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
And Kevin O'Connell's really the patriarch of all of that.
And look at Sam Darnald. You're Sam Donald.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
You're trying to reboot your career and get your next
big quarterback contract.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, so what do you do?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Your one year deal only ten million dollars. He's the
lowest paid veteran quarterback, starting quarterback in the league. You
take your ten your ten million dollars to go lead
this team because you believe Kevin O'Connell's going to put
you in a spot where, you know, next February, you're
sitting on a five year, you know, eighty million dollar deal,
And that could happened for Sam Dartle, and he chose
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to come here. He probably had other options, either as
a starter or a backup someplace. He knew we were
going to draft a quarterback like many teams were, but
he wanted to come here and cast his lot here
because he thinks that's gonna set him up on his
next deal.
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So the hof game was last night in Canton. They
played basically two and a half quarters before in clement Weather.
I've canceled the game and speak of the Hof. The
twenty twenty four Hall of Fame inductees include Dwight Freeney,
Devin Hester, Andre Johnson, Julius Peppers, Patrick Willis, and the
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senior admissions would be Randy gratischar and the former Bear
Steve McMichael. The HOF Weekend is always a really cool time.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Boys.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Have you guys been there? Have you done HOF Weekend?
I imagine we've had games there, right, and so you've
been there for HOF?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Once it was like twenty thirteen or fifteen whatever, but
Steelers Hof Gas.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
It was against the Steelers and there was in clement weather.
But we we received a trip or a tour of
the Hall of Fame before that was really cool. Yeah,
the Hall of Fame is really cool.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I've done it one time and a couple of couple
of memories I have of the Hall of Fame game
weekend experience. In the induction weekend experience, you get to
really almost anybody can interact with tons of the alumni. Yeah,
from the Hall of Fame. They bring in hundreds you
mean wee weekend of the game, Yeah, weekend of the game. Yeah,
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for that weekend yeah, correct. Yeah, I'm just talking weekend
of the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
But they do they they they do pay. I would
assume pay. There's a compensation involved. Oh yeah, like big
namers come in there all all the time. You specifically,
I think it begins in like March, like late February
or March, and it runs through I think the NFL season.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It's there's a lot of great history obviously there. The thing,
the part I remember most is chatting with Jack Youngblood.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
And you'll remember and Paul young Blood and Ham were
the Rams linebackers and during a time when the Rams
were the Vikings biggest rival in the seventies, they would
knock each other in and out of the playoffs, back
and forth all the time. And uh so a chance
to have an extended conversation with him, and two things
always remember. Number one is I said, how is your
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brother Jim?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah. He takes a big He's like, he's not my brother,
oh wow. And I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Number one, you mean to tell me there was another
j young Blood on your team that was not related
to you?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And he goes yes, wow.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
And then I said, I'm so sorry to be the
millionth person to confuse this for you, Please forgive me.
I was like six years old when you were playing,
So I'm really really sorry. And then the other thing
that he said that I'll never forget is they would
have the Rams would have these playoff games in Minnesota
outdoors Mets than the old Mets Stadium.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And he said, back then, the.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Planes would land on the runway and you would just
go down the stairs onto the tarmac and you'd walk in.
And he said, we would go down the stairs in
January and we already knew we had lost.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh wow, we had all you know, it'd.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Be ten degrees and we knew it was game over,
and all we wanted to do was get back in
the jet, turn around, and go back to southern California.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
I can't believe those names like Andre Johnson, for instance,
in this this is dumb because I lived and loved
football throughout his entire career. Nearly fifteen thousand receiving yards,
only seventy touchdowns. I mean, for a guy to have
that kind of loyalty to Houston during some of those
awful years kind of creeps up during the end. I
think that he would have been part of the Matt
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shaw Ba, Gary Kubiak, Era.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Shab was his best years, the Matt Shabby.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
So the Arian Foster Peek he may have been in
the mix with that Steve Slayton behind him some of that.
But no, but Andre, Now I'm getting to the age.
You guys are a little bit older than I am,
but I'm getting to the age where it's like I
lived in loved football for all of Julius Peppers's career,
like those sorts of things where I've watched these hof
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things for years and you mentioned it, and of course
some of the coaches and things that go in from
a year. I got to look up and remind myself
and especially Hester, but.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Like now and free Andy of course all those great
years with the Colts.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Like now, I'm getting to that age where I truly
was an educated football fan for these guys careers and
now they're in the Hall of Fame and now five
years out correct, Yes, no, I absolutely love that. And
that popped in my head, like, oh yeah, Andre was
a badass forever. You guys remember how long Andre Johnson
played vaguely fourteen years. Jeez, that is a long time
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for a wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
The when when I look at these names outside of
Andre Johnson, all right, so Andre is AFC with Houston.
But Dwight Freeny, I believe finished his career with Arizona,
and so we got that.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
We think you're right.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
We got Devin Hester, the Caine with the Bears. We
got Julius Peppers, I think he finished his career with
Green Bay, but obviously did did a lot of damage
with the Carolina Panthers, Patrick Willis with the San Francisco
forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Julius Peppers picked six at Lambeau Ponder.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
I look at these names and what goes quick twitch
is like with Dwight Freey, you know, from a Vikings stwnpoint.
We had a Thursday night game at Arizona right at
the end of wife Reenie's career, and Carson Palmer was
quarterback from Arizona. It was a game. The Vikings came
into it with like seven starters on defense out Terrence
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Newman had to play safety. Oh Man, remember that Xavier
Xavier Xavier Rhoads. He was playing a bunch of different
positions and Adrian Peterson in essence was carrying everything that
was Vikings football on his broad shoulders that evening because
they were big dogs Thursday night football against Larry Fitzgerald
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Junior and a good Arizona team.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
He led the NFL that year in rushing, by the way, Adriam.
That was the comeback after the tough twenty fourteen with
his son and the switch. He led the NFL and
rushing in twenty fifteen years. Okay, well, the as I recall,
and I'm pretty sure it was Freeing. It's the Cardinals
won the game. It was a tightly contested game and
the Vikings played with four to to that you had
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to have to win a game like that. Was so
many starters down and they had offensive guys down too.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Freeeny ran around Matt Khalil and strip sacked whomever the
quarterback was in the game was Yeah, it was Teddy
So so that that's what I remember with freeenye right
at the end of his career, Devin Hester, when I
mean being a soldier field and I know and it's
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fourth down attack, then I can never remember how soldier
boy goes like the start of it like that.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, man, he didn't. Yeah, he didn't just walk out there.
What's up? Brother? He didn't just walk out there. I
mean he bounced and danced to it and went to
his spot.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
And you know, Devin Hester was the type of player
where it was like Jordan Rolls because you would watch
back some of these punt return touchdowns and he could
talk to Keith Farwell about it, who's I think, special
teams coordinator for Jacksonville. But like Heath Farwell got blocked
in the back and there were so many illegal blocks
on so many players that were of the envelope pushing
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variety because Devin got those calls right. Because Devon went
so fast and was so twitchy that it's almost a
look the other way situation. The Brett Favre's final game
of his career twenty ten College Stadium done of snow
frozen field, Corey Wooton throws him down, breaks him and
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career's over. Devin Hester set a National Football League record
that night. I believe it was a punt return, a punter,
a kick return. It was a National Football League record.
It was a punt for yeah, the most didn't he
run it back into the open side of it?
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Because I was at that game in the open the
west end zone there, I think he ran a right
back towards my direction.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
He might have, but he set a record that evening.
But Hester.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
The crazy thing about Devon is Devon was a good
receiver at Miami. Not a great receiver, but good receiver.
And the intel on him was that he just didn't
get it. I mean it's like he just like he
could not figure this thing out from you know, the
route tree and the option routes and just like choosing
the right option. So he barely played receiver except for
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two thousand and seven were at Soldier Field. Vikings had
lost at Soldier Field a.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Million years in a row.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
They're going to win the game eventually on o Ryan
Longwell walk off, but Hester put a double move on
Dwight Smith very late in the game. Bersage went nuts
first season on the Vikings radio network. Is the game
was super tight and it was a deep deep touchdown
pass to Devin Hester where Dwight Smith been on a
double move and that eventually, you know, I think it
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tied the game. So didn't play much receiver, but I
remember that moment from a receiving standpoint, Julius Peppers with
a pickoff ponder at lambeau Field. I mean that that
was as loud as I've heard lambeau Field. You know,
maybe maybe in all the games I've called there. But
in two thousand and nine, Julius Peppers was working Bryant
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McKinney so bad on Sunday Night football. Brett Farv kept
taking hit after hit after hit, and and Childress wanted
to pull him. And it's not because you're bad, it's
because I can't have you get We got a super
Bowl team here, man, I can't have you get hit anymore. Yeah,
And after the game, far Off with the Mississippi draw
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was kind of like, you know, it's it's I've never
been asked to come out of a game only trailing
by one point, so of course I said no. And
then he kind of learned like who runs the metaphorical ship?
But Peppers that evening. Julius was a very good basketball
player at North Carolina. Uh, just an unbelievable athlete. But
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Patrick Willis finally, Willis was in that that Greg Lewis game,
and they had Willis and Alden Smith and Abrew Franklin
and Manny Lawson.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
I mean they had a really really tough defense.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
And Willis also played for the Raiders when Cordell Patterson
had a kick return touchdown in a game at Oakland Alameda.
So it's just it's cool seeing these names and remembering
some of the vivid moments. Sadly some of them are
negative that they had against the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Well, yeah, these are all great players who played against
the Vikings, so you know, we all we have memories
of them doing great things against us. Unfortunately, the Hester
thing I remember, Chris Klooey was the punter for one
of those games, and Hester had was killing him and
Kloe kept kicking to him.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
And then you know, and the announcers you don't hear
it because you're doing the game, but the announce like,
why do this? Why does Kloe keep kicking to Hester?
Just kick it away from him, kicking out of bounce whatever.
And after the game, Clue's like, I'm trying not to
kick at him.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
It's not Madden.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
I can't just make the ball go out of bounds,
shade it out of bounds. Yeah, this game is hard
and I'm trying not to kick it to him and
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, Devin is one of the great badasses I've ever
seen in all the years I've called games. He was
that kind of a threat because you see great receivers,
great running backs, great tight ends, but they're reliant on
getting the ball from the quarterback. They're reliant consistently on
people doing the right thing to get ten yards in
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the punt and kick return game. I mean, there's so
much natural gift to that where you can just outrun
somebody's good angle. And Devin was thick man and he
could shake tackles nicely too. I'm a huge ale Devin
Ester Fam. Now, Harrison Smith and the hof Will there
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the radio show. We conclude our Friends on Foes series
today featuring JB. Long into his ninth season calling La
Rams games. We're gonna analyze the the La Rams from many,
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many areas and many angles. But for the purpose of
having the identity of fantasy football with us here for
the Friday Football Feast, let's let's quick twitch analyze the
fantasy value of Kyron Williams. Start there in good morning,
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I imagine that JB.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Long has been their nine seasons because apparently the Rams
moved nine seasons ago and they cleaned out their old crew.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I suppose right.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, my man, he's heading into his ninth season. He's
called two Super Bowls and one wins.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Gee, and you're on what twenty five, twenty three, twenty three.
That's not fair.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Nine years, two Super Bowls, one victory of that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, that is pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
The running back situation for the right and by the way,
is this the seventeenth of seventeen get to know your Enemy's.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Right well Den with Chicago Bears all the way through JB.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Long, Good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
The running back situation for the Rams is fascinating from
a fantasy standpoint because Kyrien Williams was basically a top
five fantasy running back when he was healthy, which was
most of the year, but he did miss a big
chunk of time. But then they drafted Blake Koram, the
Michigan kid who had all the success running there, and
people reasonably wonder, Okay, Kyen Williams got like all the
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work last year, but there was also nobody else to
have the ball to on that depth chart you would
ever want to have the ball in their hands. So
now that they presumably have got a reasonable second option,
is Kyron Williams still going to be one A, one
B and one C in this rushing offense, which would
mean that he should really be like a first round
fantasy draft pick. Or is Blake Koram going to eat
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into a big chunk of that and effectively kind of
neutralize both of them.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Well, they've been a bit bullish on Korum, haven't they
as well? I mean the conversation around Koram is he's undersize,
he's not necessarily going to run away from everybody in
any respect. But I mean you can't argue with what
he had like a touchdown a game, if not more
fifty somethings at Michigan. And so now he's there, and
all I've heard from from post to draft rookie camp
(04:11):
on is you're gonna be surprised by this cat. He
is diminutive, he's got a little bit of bowling ball
to him, but he could absolutely be the the Yang
to the Yin as it pertains to Kyron.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, and Kyraen's not He's not a bad back, but
he's not special. I mean, he's not somebody to we go, Well,
we don't dare pull carries away from Kyron Williams because
we're leaving explosive plays off the field. Now that's I
don't think it's that situation. And Korm has some special
traits that we all saw in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
What what do you do with Cooper Cup? He has
twenty one starts the last two years. The Super Bowl
year he had one hundred forty five receptions, one thousand,
nine hundred and forty seven yards and sixteen touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
O wait cow, yeah, it's uh, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
For Cooper, Cup came in to last year hurt, then
took him a long time to sort of get right,
and then he had nagging injuries all season that he
tried to play through. And meanwhile, Pokinakua just blew up
right had one of the best seasons in the history
of rookie wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
So now, which Cooper Cup again?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Again?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
I believe thirty one years old, was last year the
beginning of the decline for Cooper Cup? Or does he
have like one, maybe two more good, high productive seasons
left in him. I think he does, and I think
a lot, you know. And Pokina is great. I'm not
he every all the accolades he got last year totally deserved.
(05:34):
But I think Cooper Cup at full health is still
a unique problem for people running out of the slot.
The way he makes separation and still can in all probability,
we didn't again didn't see it so much last year.
But I think, assuming he stays healthy here, he's not
going to go back to being what he was before
pookin Akua because Puka's going to probably lead the team
in targets. But I still think I think Cooper Cups
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sitting on a rebound year from last.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And that's what I'm curious about, is what does the
drop off for the beginning of the end look like.
He has only played in less than you said it
was twenty one starts, and some of those have been
under a hobbled condition in themselves, so you know, what
is it? You know, he's well, he set a standard
or set a I mean a potential all time mark
with that one year with nearly two thousand yards, receiving
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all the touchdowns and everything, gets to hoist the Lombardy
all of that, So that's probably not attainable. But he's
still eleven eleven, twelve hundred yard guy. When one hundred
catches and he still has some breakaway. You get him
wide open, his route running is unbelievable. He'll get away
from you for sixty and at score. So no, he's
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If the drop off for Cooper Cup is that, then
he's still a badass.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Where does he go Fantasy drafts? Right now? Cooper Cup's
going fourth, fifth round, got it? That's about right? I think,
you know, as a hind.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Pooka is going like end of first round, beginning of
second round. I mean there's you know, I think anybody
who watched him saw special traits from him.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And what you know is not super fast, which makes
him even better kind of you know what I mean? Yeah,
like Davante Adams is not a blazer, but you know,
it could be argued he's the best overall receiver in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
There might be no more overrated trait for a wide
receiver than speed.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I mean, look at the treasure Tyreek Hill the way,
and it's the short area of speed for him, and
he's diminutive, which yeah, yeah, right. You know what what
Tyreek Hill does so well is turns on a dime
and then hits the jets and and nobody can you know,
you can't keep up with his ability to make those
cuts and now he's got cushion and then he hits
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the jets and the accelerations absurd. The guys who never
seem to pan out are these track stars who run
the four to three seven straight Willie gald Kid go Yes,
if you want to go back to the seventies.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And eighties, Darius Hayward bay John Ross.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
As a more recent example, Washington Bengals cat Bengal or
something like insane.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So you know, those guys almost you know, almost never
end up being meaningfully good receivers. We want guys that
can get open first and foremost and then ideally after
the catch well and then by the way, catch the ball.
You know, like Quinton Johnston can't seem to catch the ball,
you know, maybe get open a little bit, can't catch anything.
(08:20):
The kid taken right behind, right ahead of Jordan Addison
Vikings dodge.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
You know that was a that might have been a gift.
Are we two for two in dodging here? Yeah? Because yes,
behind in front of JJ and now.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Quinton Johnson comes out in the wash. We didn't dodge
Lukuan Well, there is that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
There is that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
That was the year we wanted Michael Thomas, I believe
was fantastic though. Now, so what are you still in
the league, by the way, yes, he is.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
What do you have for now?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
What what do you think of this probability that because
McVeigh loves Cooper Cup and he's one of the great
red zone threats. Really in the last twenty years of
the NFL, they pookin Nakula for show and they Cooper
Cup for Doe. And here's why I bring it up,
because the Byu kid went for nearly fifteen hundred yards. Man,
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he was targeted one hundred and sixty times. Geez, but
six touchdowns. So six touchdowns good number. But I mean,
I'm just kind of vibing right now and just just
feeling instinctively we're gonna pookin Nakula for show and Cooper
Cup for doubts.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's a fascinating angle. I'm kind of listening to that.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
And what makes what makes Cooper Cups so fascinating for
us it from a scoring situation, slot receivers almost never
are goal line threats, you know, like inside the ten
yard line. Those aren't guys where you've built an offense
around your slot receiver. Usually it's DeVante Adams Adam Feelin
(09:50):
as the two best recent examples of receivers man who
get targeted at plays round just for them from inside
the ten yard line. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers to DeVante Adams
was freaking lethal. It was like giving the ball to
Larry Kinnebrew at the two yard line. It was an
automatic touchdown. Now did aj Dillon land anywhere? Now he's
still at the Packers, many believed, Many believe he's gonna
(10:14):
get cut to damn Yeah, and there are people already
projecting him out of the Vikings by the way to
get him back with Aaron Jones.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I don't think Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs is a guy.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
You don't You don't need an aj Dillon type of
guy for he I mean, he's an absolute workhorse back,
he's proven his entire career.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And a much more dynamic back at that.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Indeed, you know, the way AJ Dillon is built, the
guy should be unstoppable for three yards. He should just
be dragging four defenders behind him. He should be aj Hord, right,
he should be aj Hord at a minimum. And uh
and instead we got a guy with you know, the
Packers have a guy with very few moves and who
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goes down way easier than somebody with his quadzilla build
should have.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So we were shocked that they re signed him. They
could have put that money towards Aaron Jones. Yeah, I
don't know. Everybody's baffled by the Aaron Jones decision, but
you know, great for us.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh how excited were you last night with the Hall
of Fame game ball? Well, it's a return to football.
But just Davis Mills, did you see how could he
looked unbelievable in ID be a couple of years later
on this thing, and you got a nice one right
in front of him. But I mean you got to
start somewhere, right, got to start somewhere. Look, you'll remember
(11:31):
that draft. I can't watch Davis Mills and not think
of you.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
And I'm glad because that draft. The Vikings in the
third round took Kellen Mond one pick before Davis Mills.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And at the time, I'm like, kind of like Mon,
they really like Davis Mills.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I wish we would have done this with Davis Mills
because at least he looks he projects to be an
NFL level quarterback and I didn't think Mon did. So
I was grousing about it then. And Davis Mills still
in the league, and you know, it's teasy to look
good in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Game, but I don't care.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So as the Friday Football Feast negotiates of the journey.
Today we will get into the first unveiling, unfurling and
or display of the new kickoff role. There were eight
kickoffs last night, a long of thirty one. The average
starting position was the twenty five and a half and
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there was one touchback. But the freakazoid nature of just
how it looks bears conversation, and that'll come up later.
The radio show is produced by Maxwell Fuller. He guides
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So thank you Thousand Hill. You guys were talking about
Davis Mills in the Hall of Fame game last year. Okay, well,
did you guys watch the kickoff?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well, that was the most exciting part of the game
for many Yes, and it was. It was fascinating to
see how it ended up working.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And you know, I'd read.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
About the rules, right, but it's totally different when you
actually see it in the visualization.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
No, the rules seem completely nonsensical on paper, but then
I thought it. But I have to say after the
way and then the amount of time, It's not like
we spent a ton of time on it. But you
know what I mean, We've talked about this several different instances.
It was kind of anti climactic last night. Yeah, they
kicked it short when they returned. They have to return
in at that spot, so they grinded it out to
the twenty seven or twenty eight versus you know, just
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a normal touchback scenario.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It was kind of anticlimactic overall.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
But the at least for my taste or for my eye,
you can see the land of opportunity. You can see
if there's one mistake, one breakdown, Yep, it's over. I
mean it's probably two. Because it's what special teams coordinators
watched last night, you know. Is it's new as it
goes here, but they've watched a lot of XFL film
(15:08):
and as we as we mentioned yesterday, I think as
the season moves on, a big, big key here compared
to the way the XFL does it is between the
forty and the thirty five. Is that the coverage guys
begin at the forty and not the thirty five, right,
So the landing zones the twenty. If somebody tries to
get the two worst case scenarios here, the ball bouncing
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before the twenty play dead, you're going to the forty,
or it goes out of bounds, you're going to the forty.
So those those are facets. You can tell they hyperactively
are trying to avoid. Steven Simms had won. And there
was another cat where when you watch it back, there's
a jump cut from getting another ten to fifteen yards.
(15:54):
It's the coverage. Guys are on you a lot faster
than I thought it was. Yeah, so it's you know,
it's it's body type, it's jitterbug type style. It's what
you said about receivers where straight line speed. Yes, if
you get buy them then it's required. But it's a
(16:14):
completely different type of player that's going to be needed
back there. And and and quite honestly, I think the
NFL has brought life to something that was dead. Well
it was dead something and they gave out the stat
during the broadcast, but I remember exactly what it was,
but it was something like ninety two percent of kickoffs
or touchbacks. It was a non play, and you know,
it was boring television.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And so I'm glad that they've they've found a way
to make it so that you are incented on both
sides to return the ball. Yeah, and that you know,
kudos the NFL for addressing a serious problem and coming
up with a possible solution for it. Here's the player
who's perfect as the return guy for us any team, Yeah,
Cordaryl Patterson.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
And you know what, and that's part of it too,
is Corderol was and returning the ball last night. So
that could be a factor when you start getting your
best of the best in the message. And I'm glad
you said that, because when this whole thing came out,
I thought Cordaryl is going to be the worst, or
like he's too big.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Cordaryl. It takes a minute to get going, but he's
so big in the hips and the thighs and so
tough to bring down. He's not of the jitterbug variety.
I was wrong because the more I learned about it
and then off, what I saw last night is the
massive advantage returners have is running up on it. Yeah,
their full speed. The rest of Rube Nation is not correct.
(17:39):
So Cordaryl, I think you're dead right because and he's,
you know, the greatest kick returner in the history of
the NFL. But nevertheless, he's strong enough to get out
of that first tackle and fast enough to get by
the second wave. The kicker has no shot. So I've
completely flipped on that where I was thinking, you know,
like like say Dante Hall still in the be unbelievable.
(18:02):
You know here Brandon Powell's been used a lot, can
they Wan Woo's not twitchy in my estimation, but he's fast.
You know, as I said yesterday to Laber, Justin Jefferson
would be unbelievable at this because he's twitchy, he makes
people miss, he slides, and he's fast.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
But you don't get to throw eight team back there.
But I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I mean the cor Darryl Patterson types, man, that's gonna
be tough.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You hit an extremely salient point that I haven't heard
anybody else really articulate. Because these returners get ten to
fifteen yard run up. They're at full speed and so
you don't have to be the quick, twitch, instant accelerating guy.
What you want is somebody who can break a tackle
that can has the vision to see the lanes opening
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and then the long.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Speed to hit that.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And that's another big advantage the returners have is they
don't have to go ball guy, ball guy.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Guys can't move well.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Therefore you're like, looking, okay, where you mean where there
is a coverage left coverage right?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Have they would start five on each side, but.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
When they come running down the field previously speaking well,
they would angle to different areas. So therefore, while they're
strong on the right, we have a left return set up.
I'm in business here right where now you can just
look at it, run, catch it, and then they're taking
off from a standstill. And and if you and and again,
(19:29):
if you get by that first wave, you're in businessman,
which nobody did last night. But you know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
And because almost all you have you have two players
who are back behind the scrum. You got the kicker
or you got the kicker and then one other player.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yeah, so it wasn't it weird When holder guy was
out Townshend, Tommy Townsend, he held the ball and so
twelfth man's on the field and and then boom you
kick it and he runs off right.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's yeah, that is That is odd, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But there're gonna be guys where if you just get
past that and initial scrum of players just beat the
kicker gone, you know there's gonna be some long there's
be some long touchdown.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
From a special teams coordinator standpoint. And you saw it
a little bit last night. Is I think it was
the Bears who were defending a kick against Stephen Simms,
where you have ten guys, okay, but they don't all
come running down to the guy. You have some who
drop back to wherever the film study is going to
(20:28):
take them, thinking your tendencies are when this is shown
you go this way right, Well, if you drop guys
back in the wrong spots, now you have seven or eight,
you know, against all the blockers and the returner. So
it just it's still such a work in progress, but
I felt it after the first two returns you could
(20:50):
just see, you know, one guy slipped and if he
didn't slip, then he could have gone left for another ten.
But you can just see that again the NFL has
taking a dead antiquated bit and brought life to it.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, they did it with the extra point, right, ten
years ago, the extra point was a ninety eight percent make.
It was a non factor. Yeah, okay, let's back it
up whatever twenty yards and let's make this thing a
ninety percent make, right.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And Justin Tucker made sixty in a row, and he's like,
you guys want to go back to the forty and
even this thing out?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Right. Well, the only thing that's left now is they still, however,
have completely neutered the on side kick.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah. No, And so the on side kick was dead
anyway when they went five on five on each side.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
But I think every every various gradiation of it has
led it to being less and less likely, which is
too bad. Now there's a bit you can only do
it in the fourth quarter or something like that, and losing.
You have to be losing, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
The surprise on sidekick being dead, you know, that's that's
that's kind of that's a little bit of a buzzkill,
because I mean, you can catch teams off guard if
they're not paying attention, they're lazy, got losing records thinking
about the off season. You can catch somebody off guard
with an onside kick, even five by five.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
But now that's dead too. Yeah, And it's which is
a little too bad.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
You would think the best, one of the best things
that can happen in any sporting activity is to have
the team that's losing make a thrilling come from behind victory, right,
And you're taking some of the teeth out of that unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, but but I mean if you score and you
open up two scores middle of the fourth quarter and
and it's windy, or you have weather elements and kicker
guy mishits it or even tries to get too cute
and that sucker bounces at the twenty one and they
stopped the play and you're all of a sudden at
the forty.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, if you're down.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Ten, if you down if you're down ten, you're ninety
your You're three plays in ninety seconds for making it
a one score game.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Well yeah, well it's what the Vikings live through against
the Saints in two thousand and nine. Well, you know,
we we kicked off Saints returned it to the forty
I mean to what like two first downs, three first downs,
and then they kick the field goals.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Griffin ripped up his ACL and the kick Asher Allen, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Why you got to bring that up? And then and
then show because I'm still haunted by it fourteen years later,
That's why. And then Sean Payton went to surprise onside
kicks the Super Bowl. Yeah yeah, I loved it. It's
so happy for his win, everything that he had to
go through and say that for years.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Oh yeah, you had a Netflix show about you know,
that coming of age story just for some reason.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Sweet.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
We don't even know why he had that year off
to coach his kids football team, but it's because he
loved the kids so much. Heartwarming, Absolutely game.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
They should adapt Sean Payton's life story into an animated
show for kids because it's so heartwarming. It's something I'd
love to raise my child knowing the details of Sean
Payton's life and perhaps emulating him more than me.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You know. You know what is heartwarming.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And I mentioned this yesterday to Nordo is our first
preseason game is an NFL Network game, so you know,
home the home team. You know, one time we'll get
in an NFL Network game. I don't know what time
Denver plays that day, but I really hope it's not
three o'clock Central. So the anti Vike Sean Payton can
watch JJ McCarthy. Run for run for forty, throw for thirty,
(24:07):
and just light it up and just just let him
see that in nationally televised fashion so he can recognize
the love he lost.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Well he wanted Nix from Oh absolutely, just ask you, yes, yeah,
be happy to tell you about how Yeah he what
do you say that he forced us out off our
fourth round pick?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, he's making a lot of senses off season. He
made us think that he was going to jump. Yeah,
and which has checkers, which really matters, you know, because
the Broncos are in the same conference as us. Oh wait,
they're in the same division. Oh wait, they have us
on the schedule.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Oh wait.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So that thing was so stupid. He actually should have
wanted to jyp the New York Jets. Yeah right, in
the same conference. Yes, but he's so petulant, you know,
because there's some steam that got out that he didn't
like that he had to take that stupid shot.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It didn't make sense. And I hope they went three.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Ye If bone Nix ends up being better than JJ McCarthy,
I'm going to be crust Volts.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's not happening. It can't right, It's not gonna happen.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I'll take McCarthy eight and a half out of
ten times of her BONEX.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Now McCarthy has has, by almost all accounts, look good
to this point. Yeah, you have been saying for months
you think the timetables and the runways extremely long. JJ
McCarthy has anything in these first days of practice changed
your thinking on the timetable.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's interesting you said that because I chatted about that
right out of the gate yesterday, where it's like, from
from my predictive standpoint, okay, with no depth chart steam,
I still think it's a since trifecta Darnold into Mullins
into McCarthy. So I still think that's the heavily favored trifecta.
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But with JJ, it's the more I watch him, and
I've watched a lot of his throws, is the nuance
is starting to happen. Like like a rookie camp or
mini camp. Say it's a shorty or an intermediate, I'm
watching it going damn man. You know, you know you
know more about quarterbacking than me, But that was a
little Nolan Ryan esque right there.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Now he's lofting it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
His accuracy and his confidence because McCarthy right, hash left
sideline left, hash right sideline, super hard throw. Cousins was
extremely good at it, and McCarthy in college extremely good
at that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But it's a confidence play. It has to go quick twitch.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
The gift of the arm strength is one thing, but
having the confidence to do it against guys at this
level is another. That's starting to come together where he's
timing that up and he's throwing guys open with difficult throws.
It's just the nu wants. And finally, it's the way
he senses pressure. It's just natural and you'll see it,
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you know, if you watch camp clips or when you
see him in these preseason games. It's whether it's part
A visions unbelievable. He just has a natural sense. It's
like like I said yesterday, you know, it's not that
Cousins didn't sense it. Cousins took hits, he did. He
bunced up yes and hit you for thirty the next play.
McCarthy ain't trying to get hit. I mean he feels
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it and he runs well, he's got the ability to run. Yes,
he runs with his eyes down the field, and that's
that that for for for me, you know, I'm not
trying to sound like Bence Lombardi here, but for me,
eyes down the field and do you loft it to
the tight end?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
For six? Do you have fire?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
He's strong enough to fire across his body sort of
and do you get that in the intermediate But no,
his his innate ability to sense where the pressure is
coming from, and then the alacrity with which he runs.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's quick twitch. It's just to watch it come together.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's just fascinating because we don't see this often, Like
with Teddy Bridgewater. That would be the last one. And
then he had a preseason game against the Chargers and
then he was lost. He was lost for the year.
Who was it before that? Christian ponder that that was
a different type of game style. Christian had a very
accomplished career at Florida State University academically.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Didn't throw it as hard as JJ. He just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
He didn't run the same way. It's your ear when
McCarthy as he continues to get up to speed, you're
really gonna like him. And I think you're gonna like
him a lot in these preseason games.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, and that was part of my for vites Bytes
Bikes because I was kind of framing it out.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
If if JJ McCarthy is just okay, and he's just
a twenty one year old about to turn twenty two
in these preseason games, well, it's part of the development plan.
What if he does absolutely blow our minds? You know,
right now we're seeing those clips and most of them
are super positive. I think there's an aspect that needs
to be played into. Okay, he's not making four progressions
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every play, there's some eye contact with a specific route
and he's making the right play. The athleticism is there,
all that, but ultimately development plans awesome. What if he
truly does blow us away starting Saturday against the Raiders?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
See see that?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I mean, with what he's going to face against the Raiders,
the Browns and the Eagles, it's it's I mean, this
is cliche, but it's not Dexter Lawrence, it's not Danielle Hunter,
will Anderson and the rest of that that crew. It's
it's not Bosa and the Niners and the way they
do it.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
So you know, I just I you know, I understand
what you're saying, and it's it's because anything short of
brilliance then it's business as usual, and we're excited to
see Sam and what he can do. But there's I
don't know where that line sits, but but I can
already feel there's a bit of a tenor and a
din that's starting to happen here among Vikings fans. But
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it's like, what if he does absolutely blow our minds?
And I'm hoping that happens. I just don't know how
you handle it from there, But there.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
There are a fair amount of Viking centric social media
sites that I'm just seeing too much. McCarthy's killing Darnald
in training camp.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
No he's not. I mean he's not. They're just asked
to do different things exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And McCarthy over the top to a wide receiver behind
a first corner does not a career make because then
if you want to go down that road. Three throws later,
he throw the worst pick. He threw the worst pick
we've seen all training camp. It's again, it's cliche as
it is. Enjoy the process of raising a twenty one
year old quarterback who's incredibly engaging, has humility where he
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understands his lot in life and he doesn't complain about it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
He's not like a.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Martyr and it he understands that this is hard, man,
and the way things are handled now are dramatically different
than when the regular season begins. So now you got
to think the processing NFL defenses, the complex nature of
the playbook, and bam, just like Darnald, for better or
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for worse, has done it.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
It's it's it's what we said last year.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Dobbs had some moments. Jaren Hall had some decent moments.
Then they got hurt. But when Mullins came in, it
looked like the O'Connell offense. Now, there were interceptions at
ends of games that would be problematic, but we would
go from like, I mean, they're middle of the third
quarter with one hundred and ninety passing yards, then Mullins
the next gay middle of the third quarter, we got
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three away with one touchdown on one pick. It's just
it's it's with the veterans know where the bones are buried.
They know how to identify defense as quick twitch and
JJ will you just have to wait.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
We're impatient because he was the tenth player taking in
the draft. He's the quarterback of the future. We all
want it, you know, we see training camp highlights of
connecting on nice passes and we get antsy. But if
you if he is the quarterback of the future, he's
twenty one now, we want him to be here when
he's thirty one. We're not going to remember week one
against the Giants, Week two against who I don't know, uh, Jets, Niners, Niners, Niners,
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then Texans the Jet. You'll never will never remember that
he didn't start those games. When he start winning is
the starter for us, and you gotta they're an aft
to have patience, which we all think. I think fans
understand that. I think they do intellectually understand that, but
emotionally you get jacked up when you see all the highlights.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
You're pretty happy.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
And I think part of that wave too, because I've
seen it and I love the rubidity. Let's get excited
about this team.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
There were a couple prior to this onslaught that you're
talking about. If people like look at every single possible
positive thing that JJ's doing, there were a couple of
people in their their NFL national aggregators right larger accounts,
they were like JJ's struggling in camp. People are you know,
whispering about you know, was this the right decision to
have him on the team. There was the Dov climbing
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bit and a couple others that kind of went off
that just so again Twitter aggregators, the national national accounts,
and so I think that's like the the over correction
some regards where it's like, first of all, you're dumb,
no one's worth I mean, no one knows enough at
this stage to say that he's struggling in camp. And
as a matter of fact, he did this thing that
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was better than Sam Darnold. So look at our tenth
overall pick now blee role.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Well do you guys remember I mean I remember justin
Jefferson's training camp, it's being very nondescript.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, nondescript, and you know, unlike say Randy Moss.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, you know, I've been here long enough, and I
you know, you guys were younger, but I think you
were in town at that point.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Paul first year, first year when.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Randy Moss's training camp was oh my god, nobody can
stop this guy. Yeah, and it's like, you know, every practice,
here's five touchdowns and you know we can overthrow eight
that then he's doing the PA he's parrowetting into one.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
I was.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
I was thirteen year old Nordo at Blake's Lee and
Cato hometown. And yes, he's doing the parrowetting one handed
catches on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
He's stiff arming and mean mugging corner. I mean it
was just it was light. I mean it was a
full on heavyweight show for a minute one with him.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
And then you go to Justin Jefferson, who might end
up having a career, probably not.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Quite where Randy Moss is, but he's on a Hall
of Fame trajectory.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
And his training camp was mostly nondescript, right, Yeah, you know,
you know we were seeing highlight clips.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
We weren't, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I remember you and I asking Kirk Cousins near the
end of training camp were on the perch. Kirk is
up up joining us and we asked him about Justin
Jefferson and he deflected it to you know, like.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Wide Receiver five.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, he said, oh, you know, I know people care
about Justin Jefferson, but how you know, But what I
really want to tell you is how I don't remember
who the kid was anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Wide Receiver five is doing And I'm like, man, is
that a what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I think I think the the the way we've laid
out the McCarthy situation, it's analogous to twenty twenty four
where you're either wow, look at that, you have to start,
or wow, look at that you don't belong all the extremes.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, it's it's one or the other, and it's not.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
And you know, I defer to the obviously the coaches
with Kevin O'Connell and and you know, his expertise and
wanting to win games as quickly as he can. And
so therefore if Darnold you know, appears to be the
first guy because with whom he's working a training camp, well,
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the deference is the coaches, specifically this offensive minded coach
for me, you know, he all the benefit goes that
way a great However, they're not always right, okay, And
you know, like Norv Turner in Stefan diggs first year
twenty fifteen I believe it was twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Diggs was the story of the entire offseason. Yeah, putting
Trey Wayne's on skates man and then many camp rolls
around and he's killing the veterans. Well, well, Steph didn't
play for basically the first three games, and it took
an injury to Jerry's wright for him to emerge. And
we're at Mile High in Denver and Diggs, you know,
they got him up to speed that week and you know,
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after the game, just remembering what a key to leave,
Chris Harris and Bradley Roby said about whoa where'd this
guy come from?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
We had seen anything on film.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
They were doing Pirowett's, they were spinning, they were slipping.
I mean, Diggs murdered.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Them in that game.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
It was the game TJ. Ward blitzed off the edge
and Adrian Whift on it and it was a strip
sack and the Broncos won the game. That's the year
they went on to win the Super Bowl. But but
coaches aren't always right with these decisions either. Where it
was it was clear and I love Nor, but it
was clear. I mean, Digs should have been in that
bad Boy right out of the gate.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Coaches are very conservative generally, and they tend to err
on the side of you know, their veterans who they
know and they trust, and they've seen all the film
on and you know, yeah, it's you see, you see
that happen all the time. What I like about our
coaching staff, and I don't want to make this sound
too cheerleader e, but I'm not worried about Kevin O'Connell
maximizing the career that JJ McCarthy or any or any
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of the other offensive players are going to have.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
He's going to do that. I trust Kevin O'Connell. If
we had a different coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
One of the variables I would be having for for
JJ McCarthy's success is do we have the right coaches
to let him be great? Then you look at Sam
Donald's career and the horrible coaching that he had had,
and we don't know if he had had a Kevin
O'Connell level of coaching in your one with Sam Donald
had a totally different career path. Instead, he had coaches
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that are almost entirely out of the league now as
his head coaches and his offensive coordinators, and we don't
know if they're you know, we don't know that Sam
Donald had a better, different career.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I don't worry about that here. I don't worry about.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Kevin O'Connell getting the most out of JJ McCarthy and
maximizing his talent, because I think he's already proven that
he can do that.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Well, I think I think that, and not only that
he's proven it, but also about all the players pre
draft it was I mean, it's been reported on quarterbacks
wanted to be here, and these kids, you know, they're
laying out their futures. They probably understand, just as we
watch it as outsiders, that this coaching situation doesn't work.
And next hour, as a matter of fact, we're going
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to talk about some precarious quarterback spots and maybe a
couple of guys that would their trajectory be different here
versus where they currently are. And I think you can
see that as as these guys truly saw the opportunity
that was here in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
And Kevin O'Connell's really the patriarch of all of that.
And look at Sam Darnald. You're Sam Donald.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
You're trying to reboot your career and get your next
big quarterback contract.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, so what do you do?
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Your one year deal only ten million dollars. He's the
lowest paid veteran quarterback, starting quarterback in the league. You
take your ten your ten million dollars to go lead
this team because you believe Kevin O'Connell's going to put
you in a spot where, you know, next February, you're
sitting on a five year, you know, eighty million dollar deal,
And that could happened for Sam Dartle, and he chose
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to come here. He probably had other options, either as
a starter or a backup someplace. He knew we were
going to draft a quarterback like many teams were, but
he wanted to come here and cast his lot here
because he thinks that's gonna set him up on his
next deal.
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So the hof game was last night in Canton. They
played basically two and a half quarters before in clement Weather.
I've canceled the game and speak of the Hof. The
twenty twenty four Hall of Fame inductees include Dwight Freeney,
Devin Hester, Andre Johnson, Julius Peppers, Patrick Willis, and the
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senior admissions would be Randy gratischar and the former Bear
Steve McMichael. The HOF Weekend is always a really cool time.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Boys.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Have you guys been there? Have you done HOF Weekend?
I imagine we've had games there, right, and so you've
been there for HOF?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Once it was like twenty thirteen or fifteen whatever, but
Steelers Hof Gas.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
It was against the Steelers and there was in clement weather.
But we we received a trip or a tour of
the Hall of Fame before that was really cool. Yeah,
the Hall of Fame is really cool.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I've done it one time and a couple of couple
of memories I have of the Hall of Fame game
weekend experience. In the induction weekend experience, you get to
really almost anybody can interact with tons of the alumni. Yeah,
from the Hall of Fame. They bring in hundreds you
mean wee weekend of the game, Yeah, weekend of the game. Yeah,
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for that weekend yeah, correct. Yeah, I'm just talking weekend
of the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
But they do they they they do pay. I would
assume pay. There's a compensation involved. Oh yeah, like big
namers come in there all all the time. You specifically,
I think it begins in like March, like late February
or March, and it runs through I think the NFL season.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It's there's a lot of great history obviously there. The thing,
the part I remember most is chatting with Jack Youngblood.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
And you'll remember and Paul young Blood and Ham were
the Rams linebackers and during a time when the Rams
were the Vikings biggest rival in the seventies, they would
knock each other in and out of the playoffs, back
and forth all the time. And uh so a chance
to have an extended conversation with him, and two things
always remember. Number one is I said, how is your
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brother Jim?
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah. He takes a big He's like, he's not my brother,
oh wow. And I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Number one, you mean to tell me there was another
j young Blood on your team that was not related
to you?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And he goes yes, wow.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
And then I said, I'm so sorry to be the
millionth person to confuse this for you, Please forgive me.
I was like six years old when you were playing,
So I'm really really sorry. And then the other thing
that he said that I'll never forget is they would
have the Rams would have these playoff games in Minnesota
outdoors Mets than the old Mets Stadium.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
And he said, back then, the.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Planes would land on the runway and you would just
go down the stairs onto the tarmac and you'd walk in.
And he said, we would go down the stairs in
January and we already knew we had lost.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh wow, we had all you know, it'd.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Be ten degrees and we knew it was game over,
and all we wanted to do was get back in
the jet, turn around, and go back to southern California.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
I can't believe those names like Andre Johnson, for instance,
in this this is dumb because I lived and loved
football throughout his entire career. Nearly fifteen thousand receiving yards,
only seventy touchdowns. I mean, for a guy to have
that kind of loyalty to Houston during some of those
awful years kind of creeps up during the end. I
think that he would have been part of the Matt
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shaw Ba, Gary Kubiak, Era.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Shab was his best years, the Matt Shabby.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
So the Arian Foster Peek he may have been in
the mix with that Steve Slayton behind him some of that.
But no, but Andre, Now I'm getting to the age.
You guys are a little bit older than I am,
but I'm getting to the age where it's like I
lived in loved football for all of Julius Peppers's career,
like those sorts of things where I've watched these hof
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things for years and you mentioned it, and of course
some of the coaches and things that go in from
a year. I got to look up and remind myself
and especially Hester, but.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Like now and free Andy of course all those great
years with the Colts.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Like now, I'm getting to that age where I truly
was an educated football fan for these guys careers and
now they're in the Hall of Fame and now five
years out correct, Yes, no, I absolutely love that. And
that popped in my head, like, oh yeah, Andre was
a badass forever. You guys remember how long Andre Johnson
played vaguely fourteen years. Jeez, that is a long time
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for a wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
The when when I look at these names outside of
Andre Johnson, all right, so Andre is AFC with Houston.
But Dwight Freeny, I believe finished his career with Arizona,
and so we got that.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
We think you're right.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
We got Devin Hester, the Caine with the Bears. We
got Julius Peppers, I think he finished his career with
Green Bay, but obviously did did a lot of damage
with the Carolina Panthers, Patrick Willis with the San Francisco
forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Julius Peppers picked six at Lambeau Ponder.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
I look at these names and what goes quick twitch
is like with Dwight Freey, you know, from a Vikings stwnpoint.
We had a Thursday night game at Arizona right at
the end of wife Reenie's career, and Carson Palmer was
quarterback from Arizona. It was a game. The Vikings came
into it with like seven starters on defense out Terrence
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Newman had to play safety. Oh Man, remember that Xavier
Xavier Xavier Rhoads. He was playing a bunch of different
positions and Adrian Peterson in essence was carrying everything that
was Vikings football on his broad shoulders that evening because
they were big dogs Thursday night football against Larry Fitzgerald
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Junior and a good Arizona team.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
He led the NFL that year in rushing, by the way, Adriam.
That was the comeback after the tough twenty fourteen with
his son and the switch. He led the NFL and
rushing in twenty fifteen years. Okay, well, the as I recall,
and I'm pretty sure it was Freeing. It's the Cardinals
won the game. It was a tightly contested game and
the Vikings played with four to to that you had
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to have to win a game like that. Was so
many starters down and they had offensive guys down too.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Freeeny ran around Matt Khalil and strip sacked whomever the
quarterback was in the game was Yeah, it was Teddy
So so that that's what I remember with freeenye right
at the end of his career, Devin Hester, when I
mean being a soldier field and I know and it's
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fourth down attack, then I can never remember how soldier
boy goes like the start of it like that.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, man, he didn't. Yeah, he didn't just walk out there.
What's up? Brother? He didn't just walk out there. I
mean he bounced and danced to it and went to
his spot.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
And you know, Devin Hester was the type of player
where it was like Jordan Rolls because you would watch
back some of these punt return touchdowns and he could
talk to Keith Farwell about it, who's I think, special
teams coordinator for Jacksonville. But like Heath Farwell got blocked
in the back and there were so many illegal blocks
on so many players that were of the envelope pushing
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variety because Devin got those calls right. Because Devon went
so fast and was so twitchy that it's almost a
look the other way situation. The Brett Favre's final game
of his career twenty ten College Stadium done of snow
frozen field, Corey Wooton throws him down, breaks him and
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career's over. Devin Hester set a National Football League record
that night. I believe it was a punt return, a punter,
a kick return. It was a National Football League record.
It was a punt for yeah, the most didn't he
run it back into the open side of it?
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Because I was at that game in the open the
west end zone there, I think he ran a right
back towards my direction.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
He might have, but he set a record that evening.
But Hester.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
The crazy thing about Devon is Devon was a good
receiver at Miami. Not a great receiver, but good receiver.
And the intel on him was that he just didn't
get it. I mean it's like he just like he
could not figure this thing out from you know, the
route tree and the option routes and just like choosing
the right option. So he barely played receiver except for
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two thousand and seven were at Soldier Field. Vikings had
lost at Soldier Field a.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Million years in a row.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
They're going to win the game eventually on o Ryan
Longwell walk off, but Hester put a double move on
Dwight Smith very late in the game. Bersage went nuts
first season on the Vikings radio network. Is the game
was super tight and it was a deep deep touchdown
pass to Devin Hester where Dwight Smith been on a
double move and that eventually, you know, I think it
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tied the game. So didn't play much receiver, but I
remember that moment from a receiving standpoint, Julius Peppers with
a pickoff ponder at lambeau Field. I mean that that
was as loud as I've heard lambeau Field. You know,
maybe maybe in all the games I've called there. But
in two thousand and nine, Julius Peppers was working Bryant
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McKinney so bad on Sunday Night football. Brett Farv kept
taking hit after hit after hit, and and Childress wanted
to pull him. And it's not because you're bad, it's
because I can't have you get We got a super
Bowl team here, man, I can't have you get hit anymore. Yeah,
And after the game, far Off with the Mississippi draw
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was kind of like, you know, it's it's I've never
been asked to come out of a game only trailing
by one point, so of course I said no. And
then he kind of learned like who runs the metaphorical ship?
But Peppers that evening. Julius was a very good basketball
player at North Carolina. Uh, just an unbelievable athlete. But
(49:46):
Patrick Willis finally, Willis was in that that Greg Lewis game,
and they had Willis and Alden Smith and Abrew Franklin
and Manny Lawson.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
I mean they had a really really tough defense.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
And Willis also played for the Raiders when Cordell Patterson
had a kick return touchdown in a game at Oakland Alameda.
So it's just it's cool seeing these names and remembering
some of the vivid moments. Sadly some of them are
negative that they had against the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Well, yeah, these are all great players who played against
the Vikings, so you know, we all we have memories
of them doing great things against us. Unfortunately, the Hester
thing I remember, Chris Klooey was the punter for one
of those games, and Hester had was killing him and
Kloe kept kicking to him.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
And then you know, and the announcers you don't hear
it because you're doing the game, but the announce like,
why do this? Why does Kloe keep kicking to Hester?
Just kick it away from him, kicking out of bounce whatever.
And after the game, Clue's like, I'm trying not to
kick at him.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
It's not Madden.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
I can't just make the ball go out of bounds,
shade it out of bounds. Yeah, this game is hard
and I'm trying not to kick it to him and
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, Devin is one of the great badasses I've ever
seen in all the years I've called games. He was
that kind of a threat because you see great receivers,
great running backs, great tight ends, but they're reliant on
getting the ball from the quarterback. They're reliant consistently on
people doing the right thing to get ten yards in
(51:17):
the punt and kick return game. I mean, there's so
much natural gift to that where you can just outrun
somebody's good angle. And Devin was thick man and he
could shake tackles nicely too. I'm a huge ale Devin
Ester Fam. Now, Harrison Smith and the hof Will there
be a day We're feasting at Twin Cities Orthopedics Performance
(51:38):
Center talking about twenty two the hit Man getting into
the Hall of Fame. Let's hit that next, plus much
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