Bitter on Twitter! Common Man Hour 2

Common Man Hour 2 --Mark Rosen Joins --NBA Cup --Bitter on Twitter --NFC North

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And get ready to go crazy Wolves fans. The debut
of the Prince Inspired City Edition uniforms is happening this
Saturday against the Denver Nuggets, and you can be there.
Check out our contest page see how you can win
a pair of tickets a Saturday's game and be the
first to experience the uniforms, the Prince Inspired court, and

(00:21):
a whole lot more. That's KFA dot Com keyboard contest
enter today.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
A couple thirteen fourteen past.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm common he's tending to be the legendary Mark Rosen's
or in the snow good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
May inspired their general managers. Yeah, you, Comparrison.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
But what's interesting is it was after meeting with the
team governor. But I did not know teams had governors.
Is that something just in Dallas with the Mavericks or
to all teams, because I've never, in the entire history
of my following sports, sports, sports, your whole life, just sports,
have ever heard of a team governor.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Have you heard it?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
I've heard it in some obscure context, but yeah, but
not nothing that comes to mind. And if you're going
to rattle off certainly any local team, I don't think
you know we've had any governor involved sports other.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Than Jesse No, I mean team, I know, I know
what you mean. I don't. I have no idea, but
that it's weird.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
I mean, you think of maybe the Canadian team or
something have governors.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I don't know what that. Do they have some governors?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Do they have something something of the pro temp But
the hell of that title, I mean, I just it
was just weird.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
But yeah, it's an odd, odd title sports franchise. Nico's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I saw where.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
We're tend to me now, I'm just talking about this.
The Twins story from Bobby Nightingale a fisherp factory kind
of you know, recapping how the Twins came upon Derek Shelton.
They had a list of eighty people they thought could
be candidates. How the Twins narrow the list of manager
candidates from eighty to one before hid Derek Shelton.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Eighty people. And here's my question.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
For you, Okay, which number is larger number of candidates
the Twins had narrow it down to, or the number
of people would be in the stands on opening day
at the goes laid the goal tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's kind of a toss up. I think the eighty
that were the managerial.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Came I don't know was fallby flipping through all the
media guides.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
You did. I'm sure you did.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
But I mean you can do the math and figure
out how many bench coaches there are in baseball, and
every team has got x number of coaches on the team,
and that's basically.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Or former managers out of work.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
When you're looking at the budget that I assume was
available for their new manager, and you know the amount
of money they wanted to spend on on that person.
But that that's a little surprising.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
They go from.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Eighty down to the Derek Shelton. I mean, I have
no idea what their criteria. How many people did they
actually talk to?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
They narrowed down to seven that they actually.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Had, yes, and that makes sense, but you know, it's it's.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Going to be.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
I mean, he came into town and last week he
was on a couple of shows here.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
He was on the Barrera. I think he did the
Power Trip.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Affable guy, uh, great personality, he made the rounds.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
You know, maybe he can be on your podcast.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, I'd love to have him on, but I mean
I think and he's you know, he answered all the
right questions about you know, the way he about He's
acutely aware of what the ownership situation is and then
what his payroll is going to be and everything else.
So I mean, I I think it's it's kind of
one of those things where he's got a honeymoon period
right now and and you know, and baseball managers, and

(03:39):
he knows this he get fired in Pittsburgh. I mean,
it's people will second guess him much the way that
any other coach or manager in this town or any
other any other town gets second guess. And that's that
comes to the territory. He knows that better than anyone.
But I think that, well, soon I'll realize that it's
not Eric Shelton's team. He's making out the lineup card.

(04:03):
But it goes obviously above that. And you just mentioned it.
I mean, I don't know, tongue firmly in cheek. I
think it was how they're going to attract existing fans,
to say nothing of new fans to go out to
the ballpark. I mean, you have to be a real
baseball fan right now. And thankfully we had an astonishing

(04:25):
World Series. But the problem with that is it feels
like you're watching a different sport when you're watching the
level of competition between the Blue Jays and the Dodgers
eventual champs, and what a series that was, and Baseball
does it better than anyone, I think. Still the teams
with seven and.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
The Dodgers the largest payroll in Major League Baseball, Toronto
the fifth largest. Now we've seen other teams without larger
payroll sneak in there occasionally. So it's not like, you know,
I know, everybody wants to believe that if you just
have the one of the highest payrolls in Major.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
League Baseball, you'll win a World Series. It's not that simple.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
But yeah, you're right, it does seem like it's it's
different from what we're well here in many other markets.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
And it's not even saying that, you know, look at Milwaukee.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Milwaukee had a terrific year that unfortunately they fell short
in the in the postseason, but their payroll was not
up there, I think among the top ten or fifteen even,
but they certainly satisfied their fan base and hopefully they
will continue to do so. But here it's not even
it's not even that kind of a situation where going well,
we understand the limitations compared to some of the bigger markets,

(05:23):
but the Twins aren't even really trying to be competitive.
I mean, if they trade Joe Ryan this offseason, you know,
I would just be shaking my head. And I'm saying,
in disbelief is the wrong word. Contempt is the only
word I can come up with, because he's one of
two guys that long, you know, Pablo Lopez, that they
have that they know opening day, I guess you can

(05:46):
throw in Bailey over maybe a couple other guys, but
that that they're you know, established enough that they give
him a fighting chance to win a game anytime he
goes on the mound. I hate to think that they're
gonna they're going to be trying to go down that
road prospects again when they're in such dire need of pitching,
knowing how shallow their relief staff is at the moment.
So I mean, there'll always be guys that are going

(06:07):
to step up, and spring training always, you know, spring,
I hope springs eternal, and there'll be a couple of
guys that we haven't heard of that may shine at
spring training and we'll get excited about and names that
we've heard kind of go down the grape vine.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
You'll get excited. I'm not excited about it like everybody else.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Are kind of over for me. I just don't find
you know, I have fun and you're not buying their
bill of goods anymore. Well, I mean I can, I
can get excited about saying I understand that they when
they drafted Walker Jenkins, I keep talking about much of
the way I talked about Alex Tuck.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know that you watch Walker Jenkins during his entire collegiate.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
I did not, But I thought when they drafted them,
and now that the Twins have these, we get to
wait till June.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I think they have the second overall pick again. Well
here we go again.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Oh great, they have a terrific farm system, ranked second
in Major League Baseball. Well, a lot of those guys
better play, because you know, there are other teams that
play twenty twenty or one year olds and they you
know that let them. I mean, we're watching the evolution
right now of a young quarterback for the Minnesota Vikings
who's at twenty two is getting his baptism. I don't

(07:14):
understand how you know when you're the Twins don't have
veterans to call on. They don't have a Carson Wentz
to lean on, they don't have another They have to
play some of these guys. I don't understand how you
can't let them try to figure it out. Now we've
seen guys go through the system. And I think of
Jose Miranda. I mean, he set the record for most

(07:36):
consecutive hits I think eleven or twelve, whatever it was.
He's not even on the not even on the team anymore.
They cut him outright, cut him. That's how bad things got.
So don't I don't know if it's a question of
that his confidence just got shot, if you'll be able
to catch on with another team, if you'll be able
to rediscover his swing and what he did really well
for quite a while. But these stories are too many,

(07:59):
and the twis can't afford to have literally swings and
misses with some of these players because they don't have
another recourse. They're not going to go out and sign
a pre agent of note. This is who they are
and from a marketing standpoint, so the manager is just,
you know, honestly, Derek Shelton's a very likable guy, but
so was Rock Oball Deli, and so is Paul malder.

(08:24):
I just don't know when you're when you're.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
One hand, So were the other seventy nine guys Canadates
that they had on their list that they called down.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, I mean, I don't you know, he's a good guy.
Well great, I mean, oh, there's the phone call even waiting.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Derek Shelton calling me, or maybe it's the twins asking
me if I'd like to interview for a bench job
bench or a governor's position in the that's an interesting name.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
The governor.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, a number of people have have texted me to
say that it's because players don't want to be owned.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
It's a racial thing, that's what.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
It's a number of numbers as opposed to the governor
being that's what another president of the team, because I
mean Mark Cuban was the owner for a while and
then he sold his huh.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Oh, I know that's what. That's what.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
I don't know how many teams then now calls owners
governors because the players do not want to be felt
like they are owned. Oh okay, it's the first time
I've heard that. I did too, I'd never even heard
that before.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I'm not so be it, so be it.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, you know, it's you know, it's a managerial job,
so you take it, right. I mean, there's only thirty
of them in in sports, and it pays well, even
on the twins. I'm sure it's it's decent money. I mean,
it's it's it's it's it's better than walking around money.
But yeah, you're you're up against it, you know. And

(09:44):
I and I would guess every candidate that was interviewed
they know what they were getting into.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Well, Derek in particular does because he worked here.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I mean, you know, he was he understands the dynamics
and what was on behind closed doors. And I'm sure,
like he even said, I think on one of the
interviews that you know, my conversations, whether it was with
Folvey and or one of the pole ads, will remain private.
I'm sure he asked all the right questions, what are
your expectations of me? Because you know, Roco is a

(10:13):
really good friend of mine and look what happened to him.
And again, any of these managers are open to second guessing.
And that's the nature, especially in baseball, where it's so easy.
We don't have to wait. As they say in the
NFL to look at the film to understand what goes
on in a baseball game. For the most part, there
are a lot of nuances about a kaw Kett Ryan

(10:35):
Jeffers might be calling a game with so and so
on the mound calling for the wrong pitch. I think
John Smoltz, I mean, I think he's one of the
best color guys in all of sports. Whether he was
phenomenal during the World Series and the way he explained things.
You know, you have a guy like that that can
break things down. But for the most part, what you
see is what you get, and what we have is
pretty well known.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
They said part of the interview process was simulated games.
Would ask the manager you canis what would you do here?
And if they were to be realistic, they probably Baby
probably said to Shelton, look, you're down nine to two in
the fifth, how.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Do you plan to use the bullpen? Position players?

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Right, They're gonna be realistic about the game situation.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Would be nice to look forward to a baseball season again.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Your Wolves club, all they do is win. They've won
five in the last six. I'm now thinking second seed
in the West will be too low. I think they
could be stop telling you that what can't you?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Aren't you excited? You're wearing your Timberwolves jacket. I know,
but well yeah, they're they're they're beating up on We'll
talk about on this, we'll come back.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
We've got more to get to here on the Common
mand program on the Fan.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
And the Fan and two men in a junks trock
going to get a shot to win bonus bocks with
our national cash contests. Just under the keyword grand at
kfan dot com. Now for your shot and winning. That
keyword is grand enter now at kfan dot com. We
all remember that one teacher who made a difference, who
believed in us, challenged us, or just made learning fun.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Now's your chance to say thank you in a big.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Way with Iheartradios, Thank a Teacher powered by Donors Shoes
nominated outstanding public school teacher who's gone above and beyond
for their students to win five thousand dollars to stock
their classroom with whatever they need. Help us say thank
you to the educator shaping our future. Nominate your favorite
teacher now at iHeartRadio dot com. Slash teachers.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
An goes off for thirty five wolves win that eat
the Jazz.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's five of the last six. I think. I don't
know is every game now with Commissioner's Cup.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Now, Okay, I can't keep track. I candidly have to
look at the schedule to figure it out. I think
I think Friday night's game back, here's a commission Sacramento
when they paint the whatever they do to the floor
to make it turn it into the Wizard of oz Ye. No,
last night's was not. It goes on for a while too.
I mean, I don't pretend to try to follow it

(13:13):
or care that much about it. I think it's more
of a player's thing, and it's just an incentive to
make a few more bucks. That's about it. But I
mean to hear Jade McDaniel say, I want to get
to Vegas, you know, I want to get some of
that coin.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
I mean, that's that's fine. But last night, I mean, Utah,
I had like three days to prepare for the Wolves
and they get you know, thrashed by Minnesota. Here Friday night,
and the Wolves are coming off of I think a
back to back, and they they kind of toyed around
with them in the first half and then they put
the pedal down and they're starting five. Continues to look excellent.
Everyone on that team, and that's starting five. At the moment,

(13:46):
this club, well, I think they still have some problems
that I do that well, I mean the last six
or the problems. I'm just saying going forward when they
play really good teams, I'm still like to see Rob Dillingham,
you only played four minutes last night, get into the
flow of the game a lot. What if I were
to tell you dill Ham is going to be a bust,
he might be. I mean he's only twenty years old,
but I hate to think that he's going to. But

(14:08):
he has to adapt to and he's admitted it to
kind of the style that the Wolves want from him,
and he certainly has a certain skill set. But commonly
in the meantime, the KG veteran is playing most of
the minutes in reserve, coming off the bench, and he
played well last they got eighteen minutes. But Randall's playing outstanding.
He's playing Jade mcgannals. I think he's playing the best
basketball of his career. Gobart is, you know, he scored

(14:31):
fourteen last night and had twelve rebounds, and he's They're
just a different team. When he's on the court, you know,
their defensive presences leaps and bounds when he's not, and
that's it's pretty obvious Steven Senzo's you know, I've had
fourteen in the course of an ant healthy again, feeling
his oats and doing things he's going to throw in
there thirty to thirty five pretty much every game, and
did so again last night. So they pulled away, you know,

(14:53):
kind of comfortably at the end, and that's what good
teams do. And sitting at seven and four on we
go to Sacramento and I think the Denver Nuggets are here,
you know, a very good team and one that the
Wolves have managed to win the fast majority of against
during during their time here.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Our next Commissioner Cup game is a Friday versus Sack.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Yeah, that's why I think I just said yeah. And
then they played the following Friday. They all right against
the Suns, and obviously the I'm guessing the little the
one that's going to be getting to the pool will
be they got okay see in their pool, so that's
going to be the Dacey one that's going to be
the deep end of that pool. And we play them

(15:35):
data for Thanksgiving November twenty six. Where's that at? Okay?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
See, oh okay, okay, Well look forward to that. Yeah,
I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Again it no one really other when this thing is
over with the ones, when jeezus, I getting ready for
the postseason. But let's talk about that NBA Cup and
how successful it was. I mean, it's just another gimmick
that pro sports tries to throw in there to maybe
add a little interest to the play and maybe to
the fans. I'm not quite sure, but yeah, I mean there,

(16:05):
I enjoyed watching them. I have the game on after
watching that defensive struggle, as you could say, during the
Packers and the Eagles last night. Man, man, I don't
know what Green Bays two in a row at home. Obviously,
the Eagles are a very tough team to play against,
but after blowing the game and losing the game to
Carolina that was, things are getting a little shaky in

(16:27):
Green Bay a little bit now, Jordan Love.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Through five games this season, Victor Webman Yama produced one
hundred and fifty one points yep, seventy three rebounds, seventeen assists,
seven steals, and twenty four blocks. The only player to
exceed those numbers over any five game span.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Keem Elijah one, that's pretty good company. Would you trade?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
And I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm going to answer your
question again and the same thing. The one thing that
would hold me back from saying that's a. That's a obviously,
when Whenby's gonna should be a a galaxy among him
amongst himself, I I I get concerned about. I hope
he can, he can stay healthy. That's all I'm saying

(17:13):
is that the tendency sometimes of those guys, especially when
you're playing the full court as Wemby does, and he's
very young, and he.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Just the game last night. I see him wave off.
Everybody's like, I got this, I got this.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, he's he's a.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
He's a. He's a unique player. He's a unicorn. And
San Antonio's got a really good team. I mean, it's
fun to watch, you know, kind of some new blood
and and what's what's going on in the NBA. The
Detroit Pistons, after being you know, the bottom of the
barrel for how long, Cunningham is having an m v
P type start to his season, and it's great to

(17:50):
see Detroit, another Detroit team having success. First the Tigers,
obviously the Lions, and now it's the Pistons. First place
in the East. Yeah, they get the best record in
the East. Wait what Detroit? Yeah, Detroit last they've been
They've been the you know, the bottom bear feeders for
a long time. But I mean an Ant's going to
put up. I mean you could tell Aunt has refined

(18:12):
his game and now he's getting healthy, he's going to
be He's almost I mean I'm saying this. He's unstoppable
in a lot of ways. And so they're just much
different players. But Wemby is the unique. Yeah, he is
a unicorn. But my only concern about him is again
staying on the court. So you would not make to well,
I mean, if you know, you could say no, I said,
I know, I said Aunt, but I I and I'm

(18:36):
not going to sit there and go, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Would want to have Wemby for Aunt. I mean, Wemby.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Likelihood it could be a generational type player. But I
think Ant in his position right now, and he's still
you know, twenty three, twenty three years old, I think
his next four years are going to be astonishing. I
mean he's going to he's he's so I think he's
on a mission to prove that he is one of
the best in the in the league time and time again.
And if you can stay healthy, I think he's got

(19:02):
more of an opportunity to be more durable. And I
missed some games, uh, but overall, I think he's just
a more durable player.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Now, somebody, I don't do social media, so I don't
know when someone says, can you ask grows and how
it feels to get schooled on social media by Pa?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
It is school me. He didn't know was this all about?
Tell you what it's about. I don't know what it's about, Juicy.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
I heard I heard PA's interview with KOC today and
I was driving to my stretch class heart hard hitting
Mike Wallace like questions, and so he's he's hung up
on this whole thing right now about rookie quarterbacks who
have had who had minuscule numbers early in their career.
What Josh Allen's numbers were, where so and so those

(19:47):
numbers were hit and so he mentioned this is the
second time I've heard him say this, and it's just
a fun little back and forth. He mentioned Fran Tarkenton again.
Fran's first four starts were d d They were in
p so the Vikings were an expansion team. They were
a god awful football team. But what he's forgetting to
say as a caveat, what he should have started out
by saying, is oh, by the way, fran Tarketing came

(20:09):
off the bench in that first game against the Bears
and threw four touchdown passes, ran for another, and did
not throw an interception and led the Vikings to one
of the most historic upsets in NFL history. Then he
can go, oh, his next four starts not so good,
but he it's as if that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's as if to say, Kirby Pucket.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Made it to Anaheim for his first game, didn't start
the game against the California Angels, came off the bench
and hit three home runs, and then you go on,
in the next four games, five games, he had a
slump thing.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
But we're going to discount that. You can't.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
All I'm saying is throw the caveat in it. You're
going to talk about frant Tarket his first four games,
mentioned the fact he had four touchdown passes.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Tenby, can you find Pa so might have take that. Yeah,
that's to say basically, and his saying, first.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
We should have played this open bitter on Twitter.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Listen, it's better than most of the craft here. Take that,
take that most of the crap we say on see
you on Twitter. No, it was just the fun going back.
But he also said Fran played in for a Super Bowl.
So I had to call Nordal and say, would you
please tell Pa that Fran played in three and Joe
Catty he goes, I know we've told him, We've told
him that's all was, but I'm just saying, it's so
easy to go, well, yeah, Fran had four law with

(21:34):
wide receivers that were just that couldn't.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Catch Pa pa is and is in protection mold. Well,
but just he knows that there are a lot of
people out there.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
That are questioning the decision to draft McCarthy and not
keep Donald and not keep I'm just saying, but I'm saying,
that's what this is all about, and he wants to
be and what he's saying, other than the Tarkentin thing,
is basically true.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
You got to give him some time. Guys, I agree
with and I think we all do. Yeah, and disagree.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's not to say, Hey, it took Josh Allen a while,
so j J. McCarthy's the next Josh Allen. Let's not
can't sit that either. No, we'll we'll, we'll find what
he could end up being. Somebody has sent me an
email that talked about how forty gave up and Trey
Lance he was supposed to be really good.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
The rich was in Richardson with the Colts. I mean,
these were guys that you had finally had to just
give up on.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
So well, I'd rather talk about the bike. He's running
the ball, but that's what that's just.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Everybody seems to want to jump on the running the
ball vandway and I'm not so sure I want to
do that, but we'll we'll do that. Here on the
other side of the break is the Common Man Program
with comment ten by Mark Rose.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
And here on the Fan, yes take that.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Can't Fan and the Vikings are teaming up for Toys
for Tots. Join us live at Shields and Eden Prairie
on Tuesday, December second, from five thirty am to six
thirty pm for our annual broadcast presented by Unreal Bring
a toy spread some joy and if you're one of
the first fifty donors each show, you'll score a sweet
Kfan unreal winter beanie. Details at kfan dot com slash Toys.

(23:22):
What's the name of the place again, I'd be Toys
for Tots Shields, Eden, Prairie, Tuesday, December second, five thirty
am to six thirty ten.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
It'd be fun.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
I'm looking forward to that. Let me guess we'll be
interviewing Brian O'Neil her, t J Howkinson, you ever, TJ
Hawkinson always the same, Always get to say, we.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Don't have to laugh at us. I'm not laughing at
you the way you said it like you're disappointed. Well no,
it's really not disappointed.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
It's just like it's it's we we get the same
guests all the time, and that's okay because we do.
Like I I'm tight with I call him Brian Brian. Yeah,
I don't even call him Brian anymore, call him Bryan.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
That's good. And then I I had to tell Hawkinson.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I I kept calling him Hawking Fuss because of Walking Fuss,
who played for the Detroit Tiger. So I kept saying
Hawking Fuss and I Finally, I finally stopped because I
finally figured out his name's not and what's all the fuss,
Hey O, it's it's it's it's Hockenson.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Here's the other thing, too, is it's okay to make comparisons,
you know, to do the.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Old waido uh uh, Peyton Manning and and and and
Josh Allen, how were they in their first four starts?
But then if you're gonna do that, why don't you
talk about Josh Rosen and Johnny Manzelle and Zach look
at their first.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
There's always examples on the side. There always, I.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Mean, there are literally hundreds hundreds of other top ten
quarterback flops. They're everywhere. So so just all of a
sudden always bring up because because Josh Allen and and
Peyton Manning had tough starts to their career and blossoming
into hat well, Alan's and well that's it, and so
and and McCarthy. It be one or the other or

(25:01):
somewhere in between. So that's why it's just a protection thing.
It's because there are a lot of fans that look here,
here's what I'll tell you, Here's what I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't mind drafting a franchise quarterback, I think you
should always try to do that. But if you do
that and you do what you did with the team,
and this is what they did.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
They went out and refurbished the middle of the defensive
line and the office. You don't do that unless you
are thinking we're building on a thirteen and four season
or whatever they were, and that's what they were trying
to do and what they decided to do.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
They said, yeah, we can keep Darnold, but that's one
hundred million dollars. I can coach this kid up.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
We can get him up and running because I know
how to coach quarterbacks. Kids got a lot of talent,
and we can take that money and rebuild the offensive
and defensive lines. We can do a competitive rebuild. So far,
that plan has failed, and it's failed miserably. Now he
was out for five weeks, that's five more weeks he
would have been able to play, and maybe he would

(25:59):
have sped along his Maybe he would be a lot
further along, maybe he would be playing real Well, we
don't know that. So and no one, I'm not suggesting
they cut the guy and fire the coach. All we're
saying is you had your choices to make, and your
choice was to go with the young kid. Now in
Green Bay, they kept playing Rogers for a couple of
years after drafting Love. We did not want to do that,

(26:20):
and that's fine, But so for for some people to
question that, with where we are four and five and
dead last in the North, coming off thirteen to four,
it's not criminal to suggest that you don't have to
rally to the coach's defense or the general manager your defense.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
We're going to play this thing out. I don't think anybody,
at least.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
I'm not ready to make any definitive decision on was
McCarthy the right choice here? Now we still have to see,
but you can weigh in and go, wow, I'm little.
I was kind of hoping we build off last year's
you know great, you know that was a.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Great season last year, well, the fun season, and they
won a lot of one score games, And had they
kept Donold for the price he was asking for or
and what the Fightings would have had to pay, they
wouldn't have had probably three of the players that are
on this team right now.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
And you can make that argument every team, every franchise,
of those guys who at the center, and we haven't
had him on the team anyway.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
No, he has not been. The two defensive guys, weren't
he good anyways.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Hargrave and Allen, Yeah one of them, Yeah, isn't hard grade.
Did he have one good game two games ago was
last game?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, he had a good game.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Than that. The guys we spent the money on didn't
do Diddley. Sorry, so we could have had Donald. One
hundred million dollars for Donald for three years is chump change.
And for an MVP candidate, that team is in first place, right.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
And you just have to look at every team that
has philosophical ways of going about their business. I mean
the Colts went a different way, you know, getting Danny Jones,
who was also on this roster. Let's not forget that.
And they and Jones knew he had a better change.
I want to start, I want to start now. And
Anthony Richardson was hurt and he was ineffective, and he

(27:51):
knew going to Indianapolis was going to be a much
better situation for him as opposed to coming here and
always looking over his shoulder and wondering if even if
McCarthy's I'm going to start and maybe he would have
been a situation, you know, much the way that would
happened with Darnold last year. But we knew early in
the year obviously, right almost the right away, that McCarthy
wasn't going to play. There are bigger issues there with

(28:14):
this team right now too. I mean the turnovers which
McCarthy could be responsible for at times as well as
we saw we were bad, but not as embarrassing as
the false starts penal, the fall start penalties and the
pre snap penalties that have plagued this team, which is
mind boggling at home. I mean, they played so well

(28:34):
in Detroit, and if you look at that game that
was last time I looked, was just at over a
week ago, week and a half ago, and how that
team thought was going to parlay that into a you know,
a grinded out kind of game against a very discipline
improved you know, I still think they're a super Bowl
caliber type of Baltimore Ravens team that's going to play
it close to the vest on the road. But you

(28:55):
can't have those kind of penalties at home and turn
the ball over three times and win a football game.
It's just that's the one defining statistic game in game
out if you lose that turnover battle. And the Vikings
have three interceptions this year three. I think they led
the league in interceptions last year.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
What's stuck in your cross? You you don't think we're
running the ball at your lead? You almost sounded bitter
and angry about it. Well, I just think that's it's
puzzling at times, questioning the head coach they were Yeah,
I mean, I'm they were gashing the Ravens coach.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Well he is, and now you're questioning the coach of
the year. Yeah, I guess I am.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
And I just think there are opportunities and a lot
of third and two they've they've become they've becot predictable,
and the fact that they throw the ball almost every
single time. They're not third and eight, third and seven,
third Nate, third and two, third and three. They almost
inevitably throw the football, which is great if you're Patrick
Mahomes and if you got you know, receivers that can
make those you can make those easy throws, you know,

(29:56):
five yard outs or whatever it might be, and just
move the sticks. But you're not doing that, and you're
able to run the ball pretty effectively and I don't question.
I will make it very clear. The third and one,
they threw that long ball that was that Jefferson got
tripped up on and they got intercepted.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And I don't have a problem with that.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
I think, you know, once in a while, you got
to take your shot like that, and if you got
one on one coverage and you get the number one receiver,
and theory in the NFL, you get you once in
a while. Nothing wrong with it. Because he catches that
ball and he walks into the end zone. No one's
questioning that they should have run the ball on that play.
I certainly wasn't even questioning at that time. I think
there are other instances where they can and should have
run the ball, and this be a little bit more

(30:34):
they could have.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
No they could have. But I said, I don't have
a problem. Many times Philadelphia are not Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
The Ravens ran the ball. They just kept running the ball.
They had no success early and they kept running. Well,
it's money, and they finally wore the back.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
That's what the Eagles do so well again last night
we saw it against the Vikings and all of a sudden,
Jalen Hurts goes back and hits someone for one of us,
received Smith whatever for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
This is what he what he's really good at. The
Eagles look like they can be had. It seems like.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Gaming game out. They're just kind of hanging around, but
they just never panic. They know what they're doing. They're
disciplined to the inf degree on defense, they don't make mistakes,
and even when Hurts had an early turnover in that game,
Green Bay couldn't really take advantage of it.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
So how about this one.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Rosie's wrong. We don't have other issues on this team.
The QB is the issue. If we had a service
with QB, we'd be six and three right now.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's what this that's what this is a text mess view.
How would you respond to that?

Speaker 4 (31:28):
I'm trying to think of all would be first, We
wouldn't mind, know that for sure, But yeah, I don't
think you would. I mean serviceable. I mean, I mean
you need to be a better quarterback.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Better.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
I think the Atlanta game they came back home, I
thought the defense was terrible that that game. Atlanta ran
right through them, and the Vikings didn't do a lot offensively.
But I don't know what to say other than the
fact that if you make the philosophical decision that you're
going to let your quarterback young quarterback kind of grow

(31:58):
into this job. And then he got hurt in that game,
which set him back even more. As you mentioned, you know,
they tried Carson Wentz. They weren't really they weren't having
a lot of success. He got beat up behind them,
you know, banged up offense.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Which played okay for what he's doing. He was always
won a couple of games, Yeah he did. He helped
win a couple of games. You can rip all you want.
He's certainly not. He's no.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I'm just I meant people in a yeah, you can
rip them all you want.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
And he's you know, Carson Wentz is who we thought
he was and and and he he played okay and
in parts and he was awful in other parts.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Again, I mentioned the three interceptions, and you know, it'd
be nice once in a while the Vikings defense could
shorten that field for JJ McCarthy, and we just haven't
been seeing that, which is a hallmark for any good team.
You got to win that turnover battle and then have
not been turning getting the turnovers.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
How about this from Jeffrey Monticello.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
The bad passes and false starts could all be chalked
up to part of the game, but justin Jefferson's body
language and lack of ever chasing down defenders and intercepted
the ball and not acting like a captain seems like a.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Bigger issue to me.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Keep up the good work well, and I think there
was the one interception where he just stood there, but
he was the interception.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
He touched him and he was down. That's one.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, that was the one, not the other one. Yeah,
the other one, he was lollygagging. It looked like he
pulled a moss.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
I don't know, he's becoming disinterested. Do you think he's
thinking to him.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
He's frustrated. I think he's frustrated because he's had a
couple of balls. You could see his body language almost
If he runs his route and the ball sales three
feet over his head.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Uh, you're not gonna be happy. You know. He's he's
he's got a lot of pride.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
He wants to be the best, and he those those
completions should be you know who that he played.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
One game for us and was overthrew all the wide receivers.
Re membery he came for one game.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Josh, He's thrown Josh Freeman like balls he had.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I mean there's throwing. He threw four or five of
those this last game. I mean Josh throws. I mean
they they were you could have been women yam at
seven to five thought those passes.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Well, that's the unusually, because you watched the beginning of
the game. The Vikings stopped, you know, three and out
for the Ravens, and they get the ball and he
threw an absolute dime to Naylor. That was a beautiful pass,
the sixty yard pass to Naylor right down the sidelines,
laid it right in his arms. Bikings go in and
score an easy touchdown by running the football, and that
was kind of the highlight of their offensive production. And

(34:23):
then they ran into a series of false starts and
spits and starts, and they got behind the chains and
made it more difficult. McArthur made it more difficult for
himself from Marilo's penalties.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
You listen to the head coach today, Ipa died, then tell.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Me if this is true, this one says koc as
much as said today that virtually all the.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Fall starts are on the quarterback. Yeah, they were on
his cadence.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
So if he didn't even get the cadence right, how
far behind schedule is he? I mean, you think you'd
have the cadence figured out?

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Well, I think that's I don't know. What we have
here is a failure to communicate. Using a famous movie line,
you know, you straighten that stuff out in a hurry.
I've just never seen I don't know what they did,
and I didn't really got an explanation from Koc how
did that happen? He was he tapping his helmet and O'Neill.
I mean, it wasn't like a crowd was affecting it.

(35:10):
It's quiet. I mean, if they got the ball at offense,
I've never seen eight false starts, penalties and offense and
they were just and there. Someone said, well, did the
Ravens throw them off? And even KOs said no, I
mean like they were barking out signals or something, which
is illegal. But I don't think that was the case
at all. These Kose didn't, you know, say well, yeah,
we got it on tape and we showed it to

(35:31):
the league, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
That was not the case.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
So yeah, I mean that's another case of if that's
on McCarthy, then yeah, you better get damn straight straightened
out against the Bears on Sunday. And I don't know,
they didn't have that problem in Detroit in a hostile
environment where the noise is so loud, they didn't have
the problems running. I don't That's what's so mystifying about it,
because it wasn't like, oh boy, this is a trend.

(35:55):
McCarthy's a quarterback and the Vikings still continue to have
all these No, it wasn't a problem at all Detroit.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
But they come home they have. But as a problem, yeah,
it was. It was. It was almost comical. Wait another whistle,
Warren quickly. You don't have a lot of time. Oh boy,
who do you Warren?

Speaker 6 (36:18):
You guys and uh, they don't bring up. All the
good quarterbacks in the last few years have brought their
teams either to the playoffs and played well in the
first year. I do have some news for you. Uh,
you must have a really good intuition. But the guy
again about the wrong guy going to Chicago. From a
good source, I heard Paula Owens is going to be

(36:40):
going to the Cubs and do the Harry Cary type
work with the Chicago Cubs, and I think it's a
pretty accurate thing. And uh, that's the case, and I
believe it's true. I think that we'll be missing him
a lot. He's good at what he does.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Thanks, we appreciate that Paul Allen will be taking over it.
I play voice to the Chicago cause what if it's true.
What if Warren's got a connection?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
He would fit. PA's got that kind of Warren's smoking
some funny stay. I don't know PA's got that kind
of personality. He's not a baseball guy. But this doesn't matter.
I'm not a hockey guy. But if the money's right,
I love hockey. I'd call who Championships with the monies, right,
wouldn't you? Of course? I mean I can't believe warned
and bring up some obscure offensive line. Speaking of the Lions,

(37:27):
did you see how good that offense was?

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Of course, I said they're the best team of the no,
not the NFC. They're the best team in the NFC North.
They're not the best team the Rams are.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
A handful of weeks ago, you said the window was
closed on Detroit. Well, I looked at it.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
I recant at that Lions ranked second one all teams
in play action rate. In week eighteen, Detroit's explosive play rate,
which is runs at least twelve yards completently sixteen of
sixteen point two p R fourth among teams, second highest
all see this one.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Last week's game.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
A whopping thirty two point four percent of the line
sixty eight place, and it went for ten or more yards,
the highest rate of the season in the highest rate.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
In Week ten, Detroit recorded a season best offensive success
rate of fifty.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Six point five percent versus the Commanders. The lines recorded
in EPA slash play of zero point four to six
versus the Commanders, the highest mark in a single game
by a team this season all teams in football. The
Lion's pressure rate of twenty five point seven percent was
the second lowest allowed of any team so far in
Week ten, and Golf wasn't sacked. Only nine point one

(38:31):
percent of Detroit's rushing at hims went for zero or
negative yards, second lowest to the season. The Lions can
run of fifty percent of their third down attempts, tied
for the highest mark.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Of the season.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Detroit's twelve personnel rate of eighteen point five percent was
second lowest of the season.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
The list goes on and on. That's an offense that
runs like a west oiled machine.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Okay, let's see him do it again this Sunday night,
and then I'll say, you know what, man, this is unstoppable.
You know they play Sunday night Philadelphia. Yeah, okay, let's
see how.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
They do Sunday.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
The Commanders are three and seven with others thirty quarterback
and I'm not They're not a good football team right now.
I'm not taking and I listen, I'm the one who's
pumping up the Lions. But this we'll see if they
can do that on Sunday night against the Eagles in Philadelkis.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
We're playing a three and five Ravens club. Well that
they won't come. Do you know who the Vikings have
beat this year? Brown's BEng Wells and the I understand
I'm not defending the Bears haven't beaten anybody either.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
In the Packers.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Well, okay, well then that the schedule hasn't isn't idstand.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
The kiddies all you want, but the roars be restored.
I'm going who told you that? I think the best.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I think there was You were just bitter they were
playing while your Vikings were struggling.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
You were I said that before the season started. I
still think it goes Rams and then Lions. Right now,
as far as the two best teams in the endertry, I.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Think those Lions team might be the best team ever assembled. Okay,
I just like saying that. I don't know of it.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
We'll probably get We'll probably get destroyed by Philadelphia because
it is that they're destroyed.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
They could because that doesn't destroy people. They just manage them.
That's a really really good defense. So well it is
I was going to see you. It's it's it's take
back tomorrow, right Yeah, helping on on the podcast. We
laughed when we cry.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
We can find that podcast, uh the radio app. We'll
see you tomorrow at two o'clock, Tenny, thanks for having
me you as well. We enjoyed a visit with you today,
as we always do. We're back tomorrow at twelve noon.
A rock ranked a rock Talk tomorrow to a big
ticket JG there next year on the face. Good night, folks,

(40:39):
good night missus Calabash.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
That I like that.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Listen back to any of coming Man's programs. By podcasting
on the iHeartRadio app or k f a n dot
com