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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Just a quick note.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
In regards has spread swing picks just in case you
guys know I you know you're into statistics. Andy Reid
coming out of a bye week Lifetime twenty two and four.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Denver's in trouble Boy, they assure didn't look good last week.
They looked. I mean, I know, Sean Payton's trying to
pull out the magic out of a hat with bo
Nix and Nicks did not look good. But you know
they managed rabbit out of a hat. If you're looking
for the right cliche.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
That math o a hat, it's rabbit rabbit out of
a hat, or maybe he maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Better try Pandora out of her box. Yeah, that's true.
The cat out of the bag, where the genie out
of the bottle, Jean out of the bottle might be.
This is this has been well established.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
You would not trade Anthony Edwards again in a million years.
You would not trade Anthony Edwards for Kobe Prime Kobe.
I never said that you would not trade Anthony Edwards
for Chet Holmgren. I'm gonna ask you. I ask you
another question. Would you trade Anthony Edwards for Joker?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Hmmm? Probably fifty five points last night? Yeah, he's the.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
First player in NBA history to average a thirty five
point triple double. During denver six game winning streak, He's
shooting six are better. Across a six game stretch. He's
averaging thirty five point eight points a game, twelve rebounds,
and eleven assists while shooting seventy three point nine percent

(02:11):
from the field and fifty five point six percent from
three point range. These are numbers that are sons jaw dropping. Yeah, astonishing,
as you said, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
They are, they are. He's special. He's here Saturday night too,
and for whatever reasons, the Nuggets do not have much
success against the Timberwolves despite that player and those stats.
The Wolves are playing the other we have Rudy well
they're playing how well they're playing back to back games?
The Wolves are you know, Sacramento? I think, no, it

(02:42):
doesn't matter. But Denver's here Saturday night, and that's I'm
glad they have a you know, they have a quality
opponent to play at home. Yeah, he's uh, he just
keeps getting better and better the way he can manufacture
shots and people draped all over him. And you know,
he knows how to over his body in a way
for a big man like that to draw lots of falls,

(03:04):
which is his credit. I mean, he's he knows what
he's doing time and time again. But he's got he's got,
he's got everything. He's got the whole game, full package.
I watched a little bit of the Okay he was boring. Okay,
he just ran the Lakers off the court last night.
The Lakers are you know, they didn't look like they
belong in the same plan.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Well, that's because the thunder. We talked about it yesterday.
They are the epitome of professionalism.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
They are.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
They treat every game as if it's a game seven.
They play hard start to finish, they play defense, they
wrote take ten players. They're unselfish, and they play defense.
That's the way you're supposed to play. Other teams should
look towards the thunder. See, this is what we strive
to be. One o their note on Joker, you know,
because you talked about, you know, back to back for.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
The Wolves, Well, it doesn't really matter what you what
you bring it up. Everybody does. They always want to
you know, all I have back to back. Joker was
playing the second night of a back to back last night.
Just say, you know, just everybody knows that.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Playing on the second night of a back to back,
he put up the numbers that we just passed along
to you, and he scored twenty five of Denver's first
thirty nine points in the first quarter. So this should
just hopefully be another further evidence that those of you
in the basketball community that want to whether it's fans

(04:32):
or media, maybe players themselves that want to make the
excuse of.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Owing back to back nights.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
And we had to travel across the country and we
had an elevation change in my body clock, and I said, okay,
didn't seem to hurt Joe.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I think a lot of players actually get enjoyed getting
into a rhythm. I mean, I think if anything wrong
with you. You know, had but three or four days.
I think had some practice days, which doesn't hurt because
you don't get many of those in the course of
the regular season. But it's just another example, I mean,
Denver's nine and two of just how impossibly tough the
Western Conference is. You said, Okay, sees twelve and one,

(05:08):
Denver's nine and two. The Spurs are look like they're
going to be in it for the long haul if
they stay healthy. You know, they are eight and three.
Houston's a good team. The Lakers and the Timberls are
pretty much matched up. Eight and four, seven four, Golden
State's still a good club. There's still yeah, there's they
can be dangerous. They haven't lost it home yet. There's
seven and six. They're not playing well on the road.
But you know, the battles for the you know, from

(05:30):
I guess the fourth through the seventh seed, whatever it
might be. You got to keep up with the Joneses
and in this case, yeah, and then you know the
bottom feeders right now. I mean, it's we saw it
cost Nico Harrison his job. Dallas is just having a
miserable year. Three and nine, and the Pelicans, I think,
I think I know it's a zion or someone said,

(05:52):
you know, why don't they just move the team. There's
nobody here, even in the like the the Lexus Club seats,
there's nobody here. Nobody cares about this team, whether two
and nine, and that's it's a sad state of affairs
when teams things go south. I mean, you look at
some really bad teams in the East Washington. I don't

(06:13):
know anybody pays attention to basketball out there. They're one
and eleven, Indiana's one in ten, Brooklyn's one in ten.
They have three teams that have won a total of
three games, and you think, well, the one to get
to beat up on the Oswalds, you like to say,
in the East, those teams are awful and they're probably
not going to get any better if you have them
on your schedule right now. Indiana is the exception. Maybe

(06:34):
they'll get healthier, but man, that's just a dreadful, dreadful
three teams that are playing in the Eastern Conference right
now compared to anything in the West, other than as
I said, maybe the Pelicans. The Wolves are you know,
they're in good position. I still some questions about their
point guard situation, how they're going to move forward and

(06:56):
kind of you know, what are they going to do?
They may not do anything. I mean, I think it's
you know connolly, I mean, everyone's in pie in the
sky type of thing with the Wolves be in a
position to trygy trade for John Morant if he and
d is going to be on the block and he's
kind of worn out as welcome in Memphis. I don't know.
I mean, I I don't. I'm not real. I wouldn't

(07:19):
be too keen on trading of Jaden McDaniels, that's for sure.
He's just figuring it out even more and more. He's
he's a force, and I don't know what the Wolves
would have to give up, obviously, probably Dante Devincenzo and
one of the young players, and you know, they got
to get some big players back to get Moran, and
would it work here? I mean, I I don't. I mean,

(07:39):
he's an extremely talented player who's you know, kind of
just I said, worn out as welcome and had off
the court issues and all the other stuff that's going on.
But he's you know, he and Ant in the back
court would be scary to watch. I don't think it's
going to happen. But you know, I think the Wolves
could potentially make another trade to get another role player

(08:00):
in here might help them in that area. But you
have to be determined still.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
So early in the season, I just missed your when
you were raving about the Pistons.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I went, yeah, they won again last night two and
they deserve all that. I mean, it's fun to watch
a team like that that's been downtrodden for decades, I
mean ever since. You know the bad Boys almost you
know Kate Cunningham, and I don't even I don't follow
them that often. I don't see them play. Hopefully you'll
get some more national attention as the season goes on,

(08:35):
because I hope that, you know, that's the one thing
that the you know, the ESPNS, and they fall in
love with the same teams over and over and over
again for national television and going he shows some of
these other teams that are that are playing well, we
know it's the Knicks, and we know it's you know,
the Celtics, and they're they're playing five hundred right now,
and yeah, you never get tired of watching OKC. But

(08:55):
last night I had it on for like five minutes
and I was like this is not this is not
even a game against the Lakers. But you know, I'd
love to see the Pistons on national television and just
see what they're about. But good for them. They they
managed to turn around. I don't see these signs them
slowing down there.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I got a nickname for him, was that bad Boys,
Bad Boys too, bad boys.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Money think. I kind of liked that. I think it'll stick.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I thought you'd like that. Yeah, the bad Boys, Yeah,
got a name. And I also have a name for
the Flyers broad Street Bullys.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
God, I remember that team. I covered that team and
when the north Stars played out there. I don't take
all the sports atmospheres I've ever been, including speaking of Philadelphia,
I mean covering Eagle, the Vikings Eagles game, where the
behavior of some of the fans was beyond outrageous. But
when you went to a Flyers game with the old
Spectrum and the north Stars, I was my early in

(09:50):
my career and they had Dave Schulz and you've had
a hell of a career and they've had they had
these guys. That's when you had the literally bench clearing
brawls and that I mean it was like today. I
mean if they ran out of slap shot where everyone
would drop the gloves, including the goalies. And I remember
the north Stars didn't win a game there in the
playoff game, but it was hostile as hell. I mean,

(10:13):
I've never seen an atmosphere like that since for a
sporting event, especially in a closed environment for your own safety. No,
but I would. I wasn't going to be wearing my
credential with Minnesota on it really around. No, hell no,
and they and yeah, I should have been proud. And
then and then you know the other place that was,
I mean just the neighborhood itself. And you went to

(10:35):
the old Chicago Stadium when the north Stars would play
the Blackhawks back then, and they would they would just
tell you if you if you had like a rental card,
don't park your car around here because it won't be
here when you get back, so you'd have to either
take some form of transportation or And that was just
the whole you know, the whole South Side. And that

(10:55):
was the whole environment over there Chicago.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, New York wasn't isn't any better. I remember when
I visited They're in nineteen eighty nine. There was a
driver's side window broke out of a car and there
was a sign in the car that said nothing here
to steal.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
And somebody left a sign and that said just check it.
So just just check it. You're you're those big cities
that you just love well.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I do.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
But that's just parts of the city. I said, the
whole you know, that was a long time ago to it,
and it's like, you know, not pretty worse. Yeah, let's
do this. Let's take a break, we'll come back up more.

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Speaker 1 (12:32):
A couple of thirteen fourteen past Common Man program, How
is that Twitter war going between you and PA? By
the way, Oh, let's getting worse because.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
For those that aren't aware of it, you were, you were,
You were annoyed. That wasn't annoyed that PA was talking
about friend tarking.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I get annoyed with you.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
They lost his first four starts, right, you know he's
you know, PA spin doctoring. Uh JJ McCarthy is war,
as we liked to call nine struggles. He said, well,
look at Fran targeted his first four starts, and then.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
You went he cited a whole each other quarterback, Yeah,
and then you went, wait a minute. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Fran came off the bench in relief of George Shaw
in the very first Vikings game Ember back in nineteen
sixty one against the Bears and led them to victory
by throwing not one, not two, not three, but four
touchdown passes, I think, and then you declared it as
one of the biggest upsets in the history of pro football.
Said the Vikings were probably twenty four point hunderdogs. Nate

(13:33):
Mom who also goes by Ben Hogan Guy, looked up
the Bear spread in the sixty one Target Tamer.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
They had spread Pro Football References the Bears were ten
point favors. I doubt.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Oh it wasn't twenty. Well, that's he says Pro Football Reference.
So you in trying to make it.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
A favorites Paul Bunyan larger than life. Back at the
rest of their Vikings record that year, and how do
you have them as ten point favorites as established one
of the best team was in the league one, I know,
but they won two more games the rest of the
year with a bunch of rag muffin football players that

(14:10):
basically were signed off the street. And Tarkin had never
duplicated that the rest of the year very much. The
Vikings as forty four point underdogs.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I did not twenty four said, and they were only
ten point under.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I don't believe that. Well look it up, I will.
I don't even know if they had I don't I
was how old I was nine years old. I can
show you what he said, and he might be making
it all well, I just can't. I mean, I cannot
believe that against for an expansion team that the Chicago
Bears and Papa George Allis and the team that they had,
the Vikings had only been ten point underdogs. But if

(14:46):
that's the case, then so be it. So it wasn't
that big of a deal. Well actually it was. I
mean most people look at it at that time, and
because when they played them again, that is it. I
mean the Vikings didn't play really uh very well. They
never duplicated that and targeting. It wasn't that good the
rest of the year. That was a miracle on ice
before miracle nineteen sixty one. I think I was actually

(15:08):
with my parents that day and I'm no, no, no,
I got tickets. I regaled the story. I mean I
got that was only nine years old then, but I
got season tickets, student season tickets for the Vikings. My
mom and dad had season tickets, you know, and they
sat in the left field bleachers basically were you know,

(15:29):
out the outfield for baseball. But I only had to
pay They had student tickets for dollar ticket and we
sat behind the third base dugout basically in the end zone.
And and uh I would go there with a buddy
and we sit out there you know, for the game.
And that's before they had the net that you know,
they that would be up there for when Fred Cox
would try a field goal or something. Dick Jankowski was

(15:52):
the was the usher, and they would somebody would catch
the football and they say, he got to throw the
football back. You couldn't keep it, so the ball would
sail into the stands. But then the kid who caught
it many times would realize the ball's worth a lot
more than my tickets, so he'd run out of the
stadium with the football correct. And that's that's sort of
how that all became. That was long before they had
the net that came up there. But yeah, student season

(16:13):
tickets except for the Packer game. We wouldn't allow to
buy tickets for that game. But it was a dollar
a ticket. Think about it. They were there fun seats.
Fraud Father's tries.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Again, there's never been an NFL game that I'm aware
of with the twenty four points.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Well, there may not have been. I mean, you just
wanted it. Well, the Vikings were seventeen point favorites. They
were what was the Super Bowl against uh, they were
big favorites. And then obviously what were the Jets. That's
a pretty big one. Yeah, they probably were not. Maybe
they weren't twenty four. I don't know. I don't think

(16:47):
anyone paid attention to point spreads back there, unless you're
a bookie.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
The biggest point spread in the history of NFL is
twenty eight Broncos and Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Really thirteen week six?

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Not that long ago. Was Jacksonville's expansion year. I don't
know they were expansion before then, I assume. So why
were they such huge favorites twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Going into the game, the Broncos are ravaging forty six
points per game while the Jaguars ravaging ten point two.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Wow, that would make sense. There you go.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
This text message says, for a guy who's moving to Chicago,
he knew it's a bold move to start a feud
with the new boys of the Cubs.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Ah, and I didn't start a feud with him, and
that and congratulations to Pa becoming the voice. And I
always loved that one. In the great tradition of Harry Carry,
I mean, that's what Pa is reported. Warren if all
people who war is never wrong, Just to ask Brody, well,
what if Warren is right about this? One. We don't know.
I mean, Pa wouldn't say anything.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Now, he's gonna wait till the end of No, why
would it announce that he's the new boy?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Vikings are probably he's very Harry Carry like you've seen him.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
He's a National Treasure wild they're crazy in the booth. Yeah,
it'd be perfect fit.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
You gotta tell uh, you got you gotta have a
good sidekick to tell a lot of stories when you're
doing a baseball game. Don't have a lot of you
got a lot of extra breathing steel Stone will probably
work with them. Stone. Oh, those were the days at
rig Old Wrigley Field, and then you know Wrigley you
only have four days, so that's nice.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
They don't have any lights there, So I got that
going for it, which is nice. Tomorrow night, not yes,
tomorrow night, Minnesota Golden Golfers, we'll be playing Oregon.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
They speaking of underdogs. Underdogs, they did not fare very
well against Ohio State. That's to be expected.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Ohio State hasn't really struggled with anybody at this point
of the number one team in the country. Uh. They
had what I still consider a pretty embarrassing performance against Iowa,
and you know, I was, you know, they're they're a
decent club. There's nothing wrong After after that win, I
think they uh they suddenly jumped into the into the
top twenty five and ring twentieth in the country, right,

(19:03):
but you know, yes, we know it was forty one
to three I think was the final. So they've had
two really lopsided games. This one, on paper looks like
it could be the third lopsided game.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
What are your thoughts? What do you think is going
to happen away? And well, I think I mean again,
what's Oregon? What twenty something point favorites in that game?
Minnesota doesn't play well in the road number one we
saw against Iowa. There's no reason to believe that they're
going to turn it around. I know they've had some
time to work on some things, but you know, talent
is talent, and Oregon is loaded with a lot more
than Minnesota has. And then their speed, and that's usually

(19:36):
the great divide between a team like Minnesota and what
a team like Oregon. They have a track team out there,
and I don't I don't see the Gophers sting. I
mean I'd be shocked, be pleasantly surprised. I hope they
can hang with them, but I highly doubt it. I
don't I don't know. I just think they're a different level.
I mean, that's that's just a you know, the world

(19:58):
of nil and the athletes you can you can recruit
and uh Minnesota's you know, inability to play real well
on the road against other Mostly we.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Know it's all nil money with Oregon. I mean, they've
been pretty good for a while now, have money doesn't
How long has nil money been around? Our Nike money?
How long has nil money been around? I mean, I honestly,
I don't even remember it' had been one.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Year to ten. I don't even know any I would
say like four or five five.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
So maybe that's well the in side with the Oregon
starting getting bad.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think it's a combination. But they were good before Neil.
They were they had that Nike money. They have they
have the Nike money.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
And the way me someone is texting to the Bradshaw
and Bronk text line, So what was the final outcome
of the Broncos Jags game?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Don't leave us hanging?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Oh, Jaguars actually covered the spread. They only last by sixteen.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh and by the way, a Ryan text the Bears
were favored by thirteen in that game. So take that
Ben Hogan guy who said it was a they were
ten points. He keeps going, yeah, by the time the
show wins, it'll be twenty.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well, as it turned out, the Vikings, I think they
put up thirty something against them, and Francis came off
the bench and long before he and Van Brocken were
at each other's throats and forced the trade of Frand
to the Giants, and before he came back and help
helped their the three Super Bowls four. Okay Okapa here

(21:20):
we'll say okay okapa because he thought it Fran quarterback.
Now you know he wasn't around for Joe Capp for
sixty seven. But a character.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
We'll take a break, come back. One more segment to go.
We'll get Mark's thoughts.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Is his last appearance on the program this week.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
We'll get his thoughts on Bears Vikings, a game you'll
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Speaker 3 (22:08):
Thirteen fourteen, pass Common Man program on Comedy's Tend to Be,
Mark Rosen the final segment of the day and for
us and Rosen's final segment of the week.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Here on the grum one more text message.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
This one says it was a ten point spread on
nine seventeen sixty one between the Bears and Vikings.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
According to the Fish Rap East.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Rosie braggs how great the Bears were that year they
went eight and six.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Well, coming off whatever they came off of. I'm just
talking about the fact that the first game of the season,
first game, the game, no, I mean than it really was.
I don't remember it. I mean I really don't. I
just remember hearing about it because I wasn't watching. I
don't think the game wasn't televised. I don't believe, you know,
the legends grow after that, of course they do. But

(22:54):
that's what this You've grown this one as long as
pinoccha those the Vikings, like I said, in the first
Super Role against Kansas City, I think the Vikings were
like seventeen point favorites. Maybe someone will correct me on that.
I'm just saying, but that wasn't the discussion about the
the fact that it was more about Fran that he
came off the bench. Van Brocklyn didn't, George Shaw wasn't

(23:15):
moving the ball, and Fran thought he was going to
start that game and he didn't, and he was he
was upset about that. One of many times he got
really upset with Van Brocklin and brought him off the
bench and that was it. And then the Vikings were
pretty lousy the rest of the year. They made as
the most expansion teams were ten. I was just talking
about Jacksonville and how they know even they were bigger underdogs.

(23:36):
I'm just saying. At that time, it seemed like it
was a People still talk about it in the context
that they beat Papa. You know, George Hallis with Van
Brockln to coach and a rookie quarterback coming off the
bench to throw four touchdown passes. That was the point.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Vikings take on the Bears a little bit different than
nineteen sixty one. It is Vikings Bears. It will be
played indoors, which was unheard of back then. Correct, we
at us Bank Stadium. Tenney and I talked about this earlier.
CBS Sports put together a they were grading the NFL
quarterbacks that are.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
On rookie deals.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Drake May got an A plus, Caleb Williams a B,
and it goes on down the line.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
And from last year for this second year. I'm sorry,
I wasn't paying attention.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
They're on rookie deal, so anytime it lost rove deal,
they're all on rookie deal.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Got it, so hold on.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
So they're grading the quarterbacks on the rookie deals, including
Drake May. He's an A plus, Caleb Williams is a B.
And the list goes on and on and on until
you get down to JJ McCarthy and they grate him
as an F.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
It says.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
McCarthy has more interceptions six than Tuddy's five, has the
lowest completion percentage in the entire NFL.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Through four starts, at fifty three three point seven.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Percent in a sad pace extrapolated to seventeen games would
be the sixth most all time.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
It's important to reiterate.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Though, that it's only four starts in the first four
of his career. At that if you're looking for encouraging signs.
You'll find a couple of throws a game, not any
extended stretch of play to warrant a grade higher than this.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
And I brought it up.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Part of the reason was as Tenneby and I have
been seemingly every day we do a segment or two
where we talk about, you know, a McCarthy in his
progress or lack thereof as he plays, and we seem
to get attacked a lot by listeners who are.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Basically I don't know what they're reading into.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Whatever we're saying is to like, we think McCarthy should
be cut, that he you know, and it's it couldn't
be a further thing that the truth.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
There's never any nuance. It's always extremes.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, all we've said is welcome to he's been struggling,
and there are a number of reasons why. I mean,
we know, I mean, he's twenty two, he missed all
of last year to injury. His first two games, he
played one pretty well in the fourth quarter, wasn't very
good in the next, got the spraining ankle, missed five,
and he's had a pretty good game against Detroit, at

(26:09):
least some good moments, and then he you know, it
was it didn't go as well. That first drive went
really nice for the Vikings against Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
After that there wasn't much. So while I look at that,
I think that's probably fair. But I also think you
could give.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Him an incomplete because obviously he is just starting his career.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I saw where in his.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Midweek news conference O'Connell talked about how the progress that
or lack there at McCarthy's been making to this point.
And I think one thing they're pointing to this week,
according to what I read today, is they're seeing the
Bears for the second time. So there's there were things
that he did well against the Bears, obviously that fourth quarter,

(26:52):
things he didn't do so well the third quarter.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
They're hoping that the second time around. You know, that's
the experience.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
You're playing a team now for the second time you've
played him before, and maybe this will help him, uh,
you know, start getting you know, consistency is the word
they're using.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
All they need to him to be more.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Consistent, and like O'Connell says, but when you're trying to
go one and oh this week, there's there's.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Some growing pains. Yeah, And I think now you got
throw in the and I hope this doesn't become a
talker on Sunday afternoon. The fact that McCarthy's not wearing
a bandage on his right hand that he banked, balked
off of someone's helmet the other day, and you know
this from the media has access to the practices. He
wasn't throwing the ball much. I'm thinking to homeboy. So

(27:36):
I mean, I'm saying, I hope you're either healthy enough
to play. You know, they have to tough it out.
You're health enough to play. I mean, I've seen quarterbacks
do this a lot. And if he sales another pass over,
JJ's had people going, well his hand is not right, Well, no,
then don't play. I mean, if you're in your hands
the right, don't play. You can't sacrifice this game when

(27:58):
you're every especially a visional game. So I mean, I
you know, there's a lot of other elements that you
can't deny anything what you said. I mean, McCarthy is
going through growing pains, which a lot of people expected,
maybe more so than what we what we expected. He's
shown flashes, that's it, but it's it's obviously a work
in progress, and they have to do other things that

(28:22):
I mean, you can't turn the ball over. You can't
have a minus three turnover ratio. You can't the defense
can't go, you know, game after game after game without
getting interceptions. They've had three this year in order to
give a JJ McCarthy in the offense a short field
once once in a while, you know, turnovers and big plays.
It's not something that's a mantra that's been recited over

(28:43):
and over and over again that end up deciding games.
Not all of them have been. You know, obviously the
kick returner price, it was a huge play fumbling the
kick return. That wasn't JJ McCarthy's fault, but it put
the Vikings defense on their heels against you know, a
really good, fundamental team like Baltimore. You're going to lose
games like that against the better team. So it's it's
incumbent upon the team. The team to do the rest

(29:07):
of the things at a much higher clip. You can't
have twelve bleeping penalties and eight of them being false
starts and expect to win at home. The Vikings are
what one and three at home right now? You know,
us Bank's supposed to be this great home field advantage.
You know, the skull chant. Everybody gets wound up and
you know, making it really tough for you know, this week,
Caleb Williams and the Bears offense. You know, you got

(29:30):
to do the little things right, and right now this
team is not doing the little things right. Compounding the
fact that McCarthy's struggling to kind of find his rhythm.
So it's it's always more than one thing, but there's
no denying the fact that McCarthy's has not found a
constant rhythm to what he needs to do to help
the steeling.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Games night the nineteen sixty Bears finished five six and one.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Why are we still talking about?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Because you not, because you keep changing the stories we
go along, You're changing history coming off the year before.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I'm just what I'm talking about is the fact that
it had to do with fran Tarkan and rookie quarterbacks
and what That's all it was talking about, and it
turned into a lot more than that. Look at Franz
record the next how many weeks that he played record?

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Mark?

Speaker 1 (30:19):
What was the spread on David versus Goliath? I believe
Goliath was, No, I.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Think it was it was what do they call it
when they don't even take a line. It was off
the board. I think I think David us, well.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
They didn't realize that that sling shot was going to
be as powerful as it was. It's much more accurate
than my Well, yeah, he didn't overthrow Goliath did hit
him right between the just like that. That's a great
analogy right between knocked him, knocked him out, Down goes Goliath.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
So and again it's almost like me, it's it's just
easy to get these mccarthyites going. I mean, well I
robbed them comparing this guys, I said, I'm not doing
the comparing.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Don't shoot the messenger.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
I'm just reading what CBS Sports rode in a piece
that they did.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
They were grading the quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
They gave McCarthy a rookie quarterback, you know, quarterbacks on
a rookie deal.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm just don't blame me. And we know a lot
of those guys struggled last year. I mean, obviously, what's going
on in New England. I mean, they didn't have a
very good team last year, No they didn't, and you
know quarterbacks a different quarterback this year. Bo Knicks is
still struggling. But Denver's winning games because their defense has
been lights out and they've had a really good running game.

(31:37):
That might be a good idea this week. And the
Bears have been opportunistic and that's why I give Chicago
a good chance of winning this game on Sunday. You know,
they don't mess around, they hang around, and they don't
look good. You know, they probably should have lost the
game to the Giants last week. Vikings already beat him
this and this is why it's so important. The Fikings
have what eight games left? Oh, here's what this says.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Okay, text messenger says, if there is a must win game,
this is a must win. There's seven point five per
chance of making the playoffs or whatever it is, and
the two percent chance to win the divisionable zero percent
if they lose this Saturday.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
It is a must win game. Well, yeah, it is.
And I think that you know, you and even Ben
talked about today, I mean Ben Johnson talked about it.
That the Vikings are doing all in the division, that
that's what gives them hope. They have to they have
to run the table, honestly against the Bears. They play
the Packers the following week. You know they're they're having
a mighty struggle right now. Offensively there some people are

(32:33):
calling from the floor's head for crying outlaw, which is
asinine in green Bay. But Jordan Love isn't exactly tearing
it up right now in green Bay with with their offense.
And you know they play the Giants the Sunday, I
believe right. We talked about that in Spread Swing, I
think a little bit. But Vikings have to find a
way of of you know, beating the Bears again, beat

(32:53):
the Packers twice, and they played the the Kitties on
Christmas and Christmas here I mean that chance know, Yeah,
the old Saint Nicholas. You just have to be realistic
about what I'm going to say. Correct Brody, you're on
the fan, Oh no, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
Boy, So I heard my buddy told me that Rosen
was calling me out on the air today.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Well, just right now, I just said something away, so
I don't know. It wasn't calling you out. I just
was talking with you.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
I'm sure you calling out, Pa. Now he's calling you.
He's the very feisty Mark Rose and calling people out. All.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I wasn't calling you. I was basically sending the bad
signal out for you.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Yeah, and that's another thing I wanted to talk about.
You got a lot of nerves me. Yeah, why facts
you know so much? Just you're just because you're old
and you've been watching the team for a long time.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah, just facts getting away a better story. I mean what,
there's nobody better than I agree with you. I one
is one of the best play by play guys I've
ever It's the very best. And he's he's a talented person.
He is. So what does that have to do with said.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
You're probably the one that started that rumor that Moron
Warren was talking about about Pa going to the Cubs.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know if that's a rumor, Brody. I think
there might be some truth to that. That's what my
sources are telling me. He's a man in Chicago.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Money they already have.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
They already have a radio guy well all and then
they have the other guy, maybe not for long.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Why would they come on now? You got to think about.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Just think about every wild pig it's loose. Yeah, the
old kids.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Going to do that. He's not going to do that.
I know because I got a cousin who lives in Chicago,
and he says they like the radio people there.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I'm very good. That's great. No, I don't think he's
gonna go what's wrong with your club this year?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
And I thought you told me that McCarthy was the
the club was going to be good the big game.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
We should all be scolders. The helly were you drinking?

Speaker 5 (35:07):
And that's the other thing. What's what that guy given?
A given McCarthy an f he won, he won the
offensive player of the week. You don't get an f
IF when that means he was the best offensive player
of that week.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
He was. Well, they're judging his entire his body of work.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Who won the game?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Mark?

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Who won the game? Mark?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
I don't remember. Yeah, the Vikings won the game, Brody,
we all know the Vikings won the game. And McCarthy
played a great fourth quarter and then he fell on
his face to a couple of games.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
So that's when they gave you a gop at w
C C O were you really good time? I was.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I wasn't starting. I was. I was in the background
doing doing the you know, the dirty work, you know,
the writing and the numbers. When I went on the air,
I was damn good. He was really good.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
When you first got on the air, we were able
to read that teleprompter that people wrote stuff for you for.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
They didn't have a teleprompter.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Then, Yody Brodi, you're talking about a Hall of Famer here,
So to start comparing JJ McCarthy to Hall of.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Famers, Come on, let's be realistic here. I didn't have
a telepropot.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
You ever see Joe You see Joe Montana in his
first season or Steve Young?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I was at the game. I was at the game.
They mess Joe Montana because the Fighters were kicking the
crap out of him in nineteen eighty seven they had
to put Steve Young in the game. Is his backup? Yes?
I remember. Not gonna fool me, Brodie.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
You just jumped to the one season when he played bad,
not the super Bowl if you wont Okay, that's a
good one. You know what. I'm tired of your non
set And how can you always talk to war On
and I can never get through.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
On this fold talk to the proof.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
War On's always on your air because.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
He knows football.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
He tells the things nobody else is talking about.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, he brings up things. You're just a homer. All
you do is do homer stuff.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
That's not true. I have a very objective analysis.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Brody, A we gotta go. All right, Brody, you have
a good weekend.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
I don't think they're real all right, I got.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
A gold bag. I always love that one. Brody, hang up,
you hang up on him. How about my guy Frankie
sap and tied for second?

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Is he where I'm playing in Butterfel Butterfield Bermuda Championship
Adam hadwin as the lead?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Nice to hear that? Minus six? Yeah, Frank Frankie's uh
minus four? Couple back. He's just again, he's young on
the tour. I mean, it's different when you're playing an
individual sport as opposed to a team sport. But it
is well, I would think so. I mean, no one's
he's not relying on anybody else other than his caddy

(37:54):
to kind of put him in position to succeed.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
You know. He and I, uh, Frank's happened and I
share the same swing coach.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
No, that's about the only thing you guys have in common.
We share the same swing coach.

Speaker 6 (38:07):
Well, yep, well, Franky, you share the same so you
I'm guessing your swing coach finds things when he's working
with you and goes I should teach this to Frankie
the way the Common Swings Club.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
He here's all you really need to know.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Craig One said to me, you know, with my elite players,
I teach them how to breathe properly. And I said, well,
you've never taught me how to breathe.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Properly.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
That's all you need to know. So you like the Vikings.
You think they win this week? Right, cautionary tale? I
mean I think that they don't turn the damn ball over.
They should win the game. Antenna's picked them in spread swing,
you know there, they should beat them. I mean, the
Bears been living a charm life, but a lot of it.
They've earned it.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
They put themselves in a position by getting those turnovers,
by making the big play. But I would think that
Will Raikert and could be the difference may in this game.
I don't expect it to be anything more than what
difficult Vikings Bears game, you know, probably a seventeen to
fourteen type game. Maybe, I don't know, you'll be there.
I will pregame show at nine thirty on Fox nine.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Thanks for asking and here on this radio so you
audio home in the Minnesota. Vikings pregame starts at ten
boom at twelve noon.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
We'll see you next Tuesday at two o'clock. Yeah, have
a great weekend. Looks like a good one, you too,
Thanks Legendary one, got Jenny, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Hey, great job tomorrow for password, Tommy Olsen and Zach Helbert.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Oh yeah, high energy Helby in the really low key
Tommy Olsen, the unexcitable boy. We'll talk to you about
twelve noon, stick around a big ticket and replake Marnex Jomy.

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