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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joshua Phillip. The new documentary is Truth under Fire, The
Real Story of Charlie Kirk. I'll tell you that's a provocative.
A lot of people want the real story. It's premiering Wednesday.
Where can people watch this?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
They can find it on on epic TV dot com.
E T O c h TV dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Okay, E p O c h TV dot com and
it's accompanied by a live special episode and an audience
Q and A. Now, did you know Charlie? Is he
someone you would spend any time with?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah? And I did know Charlie. I mean I think Charlie.
I don't know how close was in terms of friendship,
like super close, but and I, you know, we were
on good terms each other. In fact, I was supposed
to speak with him at an event, in fact, the
week before he died. I kind of it was pretty shocking.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Actually, I would imagine it be. That's like the people
you hear from who say, uh, you know, I had
a flight scheduled on September eleventh and it changed at
the last minute. I mean, you're about to speak with
a guy who that's where his life was taking, not
that exact speaking engagement. How do you feel that the
(01:19):
I mean, I don't even hear the name Tyler Robinson
on the radio anymore. I don't read it in the newspaper.
I don't know what's going on with this guy, Okay,
So I.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Do dig into it a bit. The biggest indicator we
have is the message that was written on the bullet casing,
which was the Belacanto message in the documentary. I actually
speak with Andy Know. Andy Know is one of the
top sure journalists has been investigating Antifa.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's had him on my show before.
Really very smart guy. I've had him on before.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh nice, Yeah, yeah, well you know that. I mean,
he's spot out with Antifa. That message is one of
the TIFA slogans, and nobody would be using that without
knowing the connotation, so especially not in that context, so
that that was an Antifa message.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And do you feel as if we're going to get
any coverage of an ensuing trial and any updates on
this guy whatsoever. We'll get updates on his roommate slash
Lover every once in a while, but not much on him.
I find it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Odd they're trying to fight it right now. So Erica Kirk,
you know Charlie Kirk's you know wife. Yes, she's fighting
to keep cameras in the courtroom, and Nata Robinson his
lawyers are trying to make it so there are no
cameras in the courtroom. And then of course you have
the kind of civil war with Republicans right now where
(02:49):
some people are trying to claim this is like some
grand or conspiracy, and I honestly, I think people are
more focused on that than the actual trial at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, well, focused on other things, Joshua too. They're focused
on Erica. This widow's wearing of leather pants of her
It's just bizarre. It's so ugly. It's just it's just
so ugly to see. It's how long her hug with
(03:20):
the Vice President of the United States lasted. We deem
that a little bit longer than it needs to be.
I feel for that woman, although I will say the
piece that she has found with the I wouldn't be
able to you know, I'm in all her faith, yeah,
and her strength, and it is a little there are
(03:42):
times where I kind of, you know, she forgave this
Robinson in record to I never would, but I'm a
hateful individual, so you know, just FYI, but they scrutinize
her and is she I would imagine she's does she
sit down for this documentary.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
We did not get her on. We did get on
Charlie Kirk's pastor. We also got on the leader of
the youth Pastor movement and also Charlie Kirk's former producer.
We do have her speaking on stage. I mean, she's
kind of given limited media appearances after all this, as
he might expect. But yeah, you know, a lot, a
(04:22):
lot of the controversy he's focused right now on, in
my opinion, just kind of it's rumors. There's a lot
of rumors that going around. Not a lot of evidence,
but a lot of rumors, but people like that. You
know what I'm trying to do with this documentary, I'm
trying to give Charlie Kirk the proper legacy he deserves.
(04:43):
Someone I was pretty close to and someone you know,
I really cared about, and someone who I mean, honestly,
it is memorial just seeing the effect he had that
was something so wonderful and something that Charlie Kirk was
on the brink of starting a movement in this entire country.
And I feel that that movement is being destroyed right
now because there are some people just kind of dragging
(05:05):
his dragging his legacies more than mine. Yeah, so I
want to make sure that Charlie Kirk gets the proper
legacy he deserves, and that's kind of what I'm trying
to do with this documentary. The other side is showing
kind of the hit piece machine, like how there's a
system in place that does this to people. They destroy
your reputation, they label you, they make you a target,
(05:26):
and then there are groups part of that whole system
who go out and attack you. They didn't get crazy people,
you know, who act on the violence, and a lot
of us have been targeted like that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Absolutely. Yeah. Well look just at the release date of
the documentary of Truth Underfire, the real story of Charlie
Kirkt's within what two three days of the anniversary of
the assassination of JFK.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, there you go, right, Well, another victim of the system.
I mean, who knows what that one was? That was
a little different.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well, sometimes I feel I don't know why, and this
is from left field, but I bet you other people
have thought it before I have thought it themselves. But
sometimes I feel like this Tyler Robinson could have a
Lee Harvey Oswald ending to their story because they were
(06:22):
they were radicalized, they were indoctrinated, they were you know,
he says, subcontracted. Sometimes I think that anyway, But you know,
there's not enough cover that is.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
That is part of what I'm looking into. Actually, did
you what.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Did you uncover about Turning Point USA? Anything surprising? Anything interesting?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
There not really now a Turning Point itself. My personal
take on a lot of the rumors going around is
basically this, every person working for any job has problems
with some of the way things are, and that's just
that's just the nature of any job. And I think
you can paint it. You know, if anybody were to
(07:05):
be killed in any business, you could pull things out
and say, well, they weren't happy with this and this
and this. I don't think you can necessarily use that
to say that o L is an inside job then
because you know this, this and this were there, which
which I think is the basis of one of the rumors.
I think with Turning Point, they're now positioned to become
probably the most powerful political organization in the country. Though,
(07:29):
and I will say that I think a reality they're
going to face is a lot of people are going
to want to use them because you know, it's part
of the way and the unfortunate way the system works
when when it is politically advantageous to be close to you,
a lot of people are going to want to be
close to you. And I think they are going to
deal with a lot of weird politics because of that.
But that's about as far as I see it with them.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, I would agree to the name is escaping me
right now. But I spoke with a colleague of I
actually had Charlie kirkh on just one about a year ago,
and it was obviously a great conversation. His book had
just come out. But I spoke with the gentleman not
too long ago who works for Turning Point USA, and
he came on just to say, you know, it's full
(08:14):
steam ahead. He was taking on more duties as a
result of this, and this was not the end of
Turning Point USA. And I wonder if that was the endgame,
because you know what, the key demo in this country
is eighteen twenty four. That's the vote that wins elections,
and that's who he was speaking to. So if stopping
(08:35):
Turning Point USA from making appearances on college campuses. Was
the endgame here. Taking Charlie Kirk out didn't. It's not
the same thing because I see turning point USA still
moving forward. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well that's the other big thing too. One thing that
I do see and I do talk about in the
documentary is I think that's one of the big reasons
why some people won Charlie Kirk dead. And I do
think that a lot more people than just Tyler Robinson
wanted him dead. It's because twenty twenty four the elections,
(09:11):
Charlie Kirk probably won the election for Trump. Charlie Kirk
very likely got enough young people had to vote that
Trump won the popular vote. And you know the university
of the college campuses that used to be kind of
a strong point of the Democrats. You know, it's young voters,
and it's it's like second generation immigrants, and that's most
(09:31):
of their voting base, you know what I mean. Like that,
that's about it. You had, of course a lot of
minority votes going to Trump. Trump won Latino vote, which
is crazy, like you know, you're talking back in Obama
times and it was like eighty percent going to Democrats.
Totally shifted them using the youth vote is also losing
the debate on the internet. You know, all the all
(09:54):
the online forums, all those discussions, that's the youth vote.
And so if you flip the youth, you flip also
the entire basically like internet infrastructure, the entire social media
system will flip with them, and that's the real problem
they were having.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, I agree completely. I can't wait to watch this.
It's Truth under Fire, the real story of Charlie Kirk
new documentary joshuall fill up on with us right now
and again it airs on Epic TV and then I
would imagine we'll be streaming for a good long time. Afterwards,
we'll be able to watch it anytime you'd like, if
(10:33):
you can't catch it on the nineties.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, so we're gonna it's gonna be free
to watch, you know, we first I think for a
few days, so if you just want to watch it,
it's epochtv dot com. After that, I don't know if
it would charge you, but if it's going to be
free to watch it first, and then of course, you know,
we'll look for other streams as well after you know, eventually.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, congratulations on it and your career. You've done a
couple of really interesting documentaries here that I've been looking
into since we booked this, so, Joshua Philip, thanks again
for taking the time, and hopefully we'll talk again soon
Joshua Phillip. The new documentary is Truth under Fire, The
Real Story of Charlie Kirk. I'll tell you that's a provocative.
A lot of people want the real story. It's premiering Wednesday.
Where can people watch this?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
They can find it on on epic TV dot com.
E T O c h TV dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Okay, E p O c h TV dot com and
it's accompanied by a live special episode and an audience
Q and A. Now, did you know Charlie? Is he
someone you would spend any time with?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah? And I did know Charlie. I mean I think Charlie.
I don't know how close was in terms of friendship,
like super close, but and I, you know, we were
on good terms each other. In fact, I was supposed
to speak with him at an event, in fact, the
week before he died. I kind of it was pretty shocking.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Actually, I would imagine it be. That's like the people
you hear from who say, uh, you know, I had
a flight scheduled on September eleventh and it changed at
the last minute. I mean, you're about to speak with
a guy who that's where his life was taking, not
that exact speaking engagement. How do you feel that the
(01:19):
I mean, I don't even hear the name Tyler Robinson
on the radio anymore. I don't read it in the newspaper.
I don't know what's going on with this guy, Okay,
So I.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Do dig into it a bit. The biggest indicator we
have is the message that was written on the bullet casing,
which was the Belacanto message in the documentary. I actually
speak with Andy Know. Andy Know is one of the
top sure journalists has been investigating Antifa.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's had him on my show before.
Really very smart guy. I've had him on before.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Oh nice, Yeah, yeah, well you know that. I mean,
he's spot out with Antifa. That message is one of
the TIFA slogans, and nobody would be using that without
knowing the connotation, so especially not in that context, so
that that was an Antifa message.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And do you feel as if we're going to get
any coverage of an ensuing trial and any updates on
this guy whatsoever. We'll get updates on his roommate slash
Lover every once in a while, but not much on him.
I find it.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Odd they're trying to fight it right now. So Erica Kirk,
you know Charlie Kirk's you know wife. Yes, she's fighting
to keep cameras in the courtroom, and Nata Robinson his
lawyers are trying to make it so there are no
cameras in the courtroom. And then of course you have
the kind of civil war with Republicans right now where
(02:49):
some people are trying to claim this is like some
grand or conspiracy, and I honestly, I think people are
more focused on that than the actual trial at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, well, focused on other things, Joshua too. They're focused
on Erica. This widow's wearing of leather pants of her
It's just bizarre. It's so ugly. It's just it's just
so ugly to see. It's how long her hug with
(03:20):
the Vice President of the United States lasted. We deem
that a little bit longer than it needs to be.
I feel for that woman, although I will say the
piece that she has found with the I wouldn't be
able to you know, I'm in all her faith, yeah,
and her strength, and it is a little there are
(03:42):
times where I kind of, you know, she forgave this
Robinson in record to I never would, but I'm a
hateful individual, so you know, just FYI, but they scrutinize
her and is she I would imagine she's does she
sit down for this documentary.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
We did not get her on. We did get on
Charlie Kirk's pastor. We also got on the leader of
the youth Pastor movement and also Charlie Kirk's former producer.
We do have her speaking on stage. I mean, she's
kind of given limited media appearances after all this, as
he might expect. But yeah, you know, a lot, a
(04:22):
lot of the controversy he's focused right now on, in
my opinion, just kind of it's rumors. There's a lot
of rumors that going around. Not a lot of evidence,
but a lot of rumors, but people like that. You
know what I'm trying to do with this documentary, I'm
trying to give Charlie Kirk the proper legacy he deserves.
(04:43):
Someone I was pretty close to and someone you know,
I really cared about, and someone who I mean, honestly,
it is memorial just seeing the effect he had that
was something so wonderful and something that Charlie Kirk was
on the brink of starting a movement in this entire country.
And I feel that that movement is being destroyed right
now because there are some people just kind of dragging
(05:05):
his dragging his legacies more than mine. Yeah, so I
want to make sure that Charlie Kirk gets the proper
legacy he deserves, and that's kind of what I'm trying
to do with this documentary. The other side is showing
kind of the hit piece machine, like how there's a
system in place that does this to people. They destroy
your reputation, they label you, they make you a target,
(05:26):
and then there are groups part of that whole system
who go out and attack you. They didn't get crazy people,
you know, who act on the violence, and a lot
of us have been targeted like that.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Absolutely. Yeah. Well look just at the release date of
the documentary of Truth Underfire, the real story of Charlie
Kirkt's within what two three days of the anniversary of
the assassination of JFK.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, there you go, right, Well, another victim of the system.
I mean, who knows what that one was? That was
a little different.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Well, sometimes I feel I don't know why, and this
is from left field, but I bet you other people
have thought it before I have thought it themselves. But
sometimes I feel like this Tyler Robinson could have a
Lee Harvey Oswald ending to their story because they were
(06:22):
they were radicalized, they were indoctrinated, they were you know,
he says, subcontracted. Sometimes I think that anyway, But you know,
there's not enough cover that is.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
That is part of what I'm looking into. Actually, did
you what.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Did you uncover about Turning Point USA? Anything surprising? Anything interesting?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
There not really now a Turning Point itself. My personal
take on a lot of the rumors going around is
basically this, every person working for any job has problems
with some of the way things are, and that's just
that's just the nature of any job. And I think
you can paint it. You know, if anybody were to
(07:05):
be killed in any business, you could pull things out
and say, well, they weren't happy with this and this
and this. I don't think you can necessarily use that
to say that o L is an inside job then
because you know this, this and this were there, which
which I think is the basis of one of the rumors.
I think with Turning Point, they're now positioned to become
probably the most powerful political organization in the country. Though,
(07:29):
and I will say that I think a reality they're
going to face is a lot of people are going
to want to use them because you know, it's part
of the way and the unfortunate way the system works
when when it is politically advantageous to be close to you,
a lot of people are going to want to be
close to you. And I think they are going to
deal with a lot of weird politics because of that.
But that's about as far as I see it with them.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, I would agree to the name is escaping me
right now. But I spoke with a colleague of I
actually had Charlie kirkh on just one about a year ago,
and it was obviously a great conversation. His book had
just come out. But I spoke with the gentleman not
too long ago who works for Turning Point USA, and
he came on just to say, you know, it's full
(08:14):
steam ahead. He was taking on more duties as a
result of this, and this was not the end of
Turning Point USA. And I wonder if that was the endgame,
because you know what, the key demo in this country
is eighteen twenty four. That's the vote that wins elections,
and that's who he was speaking to. So if stopping
(08:35):
Turning Point USA from making appearances on college campuses. Was
the endgame here. Taking Charlie Kirk out didn't. It's not
the same thing because I see turning point USA still
moving forward. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well that's the other big thing too. One thing that
I do see and I do talk about in the
documentary is I think that's one of the big reasons
why some people won Charlie Kirk dead. And I do
think that a lot more people than just Tyler Robinson
wanted him dead. It's because twenty twenty four the elections,
(09:11):
Charlie Kirk probably won the election for Trump. Charlie Kirk
very likely got enough young people had to vote that
Trump won the popular vote. And you know the university
of the college campuses that used to be kind of
a strong point of the Democrats. You know, it's young voters,
and it's it's like second generation immigrants, and that's most
(09:31):
of their voting base, you know what I mean. Like that,
that's about it. You had, of course a lot of
minority votes going to Trump. Trump won Latino vote, which
is crazy, like you know, you're talking back in Obama
times and it was like eighty percent going to Democrats.
Totally shifted them using the youth vote is also losing
the debate on the internet. You know, all the all
(09:54):
the online forums, all those discussions, that's the youth vote.
And so if you flip the youth, you flip also
the entire basically like internet infrastructure, the entire social media
system will flip with them, and that's the real problem
they were having.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, I agree completely. I can't wait to watch this.
It's Truth under Fire, the real story of Charlie Kirk
new documentary joshuall fill up on with us right now
and again it airs on Epic TV and then I
would imagine we'll be streaming for a good long time. Afterwards,
we'll be able to watch it anytime you'd like, if
(10:33):
you can't catch it on the nineties.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, so we're gonna it's gonna be free
to watch, you know, we first I think for a
few days, so if you just want to watch it,
it's epochtv dot com. After that, I don't know if
it would charge you, but if it's going to be
free to watch it first, and then of course, you know,
we'll look for other streams as well after you know, eventually.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, congratulations on it and your career. You've done a
couple of really interesting documentaries here that I've been looking
into since we booked this, so, Joshua Philip, thanks again
for taking the time, and hopefully we'll talk again soon
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