November 12, 2025 • 10 mins
Vickie is on the phone concerned for her son, who wants to go to college for theatre, but does he have what it takes?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Vicky's got a problem that is like, I don't know,
it's it's it's kind of it's not funny. But at
the same time, you kind of dug your own hole
on this one. But I'm here to help you out, Vicky.
What's going on that you need advice for?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hi? Well, okay, so my son is really into theater
and he's been into it since he was like in
the third grade, but he's not that good. I mean,
of course I would always encourage him. I would say,
(00:39):
you know, you're doing great, and you know, I was
being a supportive parent, like most of the time. And
it's what you do.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's what you do.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, you don't say you know what, you really can't sing,
you can't dance, you're not that talented, you're funny looking,
you know, you really don't say things like that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, and you know he's gotten because someone hey rolls.
But it's been really because there's no other options for
the productions.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is well, guys in theater, I mean like musical theater,
like local musical theater, they get a million women to
come out, but they don't get that many guys.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
True, That's I think that is very true, especially in
high school when you have like three boys to choose from,
so you will get the lead.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, and you know, he's not in a Dino or Minnetonta.
He's like in a rural school, but there's like one
hundred and twenty students. And now he's in high school
and it's breaking my heart. He wants to audition for Northwestern's.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Like a big theater school.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Okay, oh yeah, it's huge, and it's his dream school,
you know, and he's almost out of high school and
I don't even want him to audition. And he mentioned,
you know, he wanted to go to a bessel for
BSA if he didn't get into.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Northwest Bachelor of Fine Arts? Is that what that is?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I just really want him to have a degree
that's going to serve him. And this can be a
really expensive mistake. And I don't know how to discourage
him with that.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So mean, no, I.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Get it, No, I totally, that totally makes sense. It's like,
huh okay, I mean, if he was really good, you'd
be like, you know, I don't know Carson was. He
went to a music school, four year music school called
Berkeley in Boston.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
That's what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He was good, but I never thought that he was,
you know, like so good that he was going to
set the world on fire. But that's what he wanted
to do, and so I didn't want to discourage his dreams.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
He went.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
He realized within a few weeks that he's like not
as good as the the other kids that were there,
so he kind of switched his focus to management. So
you've known a lot of theater people, Bailey, you know
a lot of people theater people that are not as
talented as they think they are.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, honestly, I think I'm going to be a different
voice on this, So I think a lot of people
would probably advise her like to you know, let him
down easy kind of situation, that he should like go
and do something else. But I know plenty of people
who majored in theater, got a theater degree who were
not good at like acting, if that's what they chose,
(03:21):
and they found other career paths like within theater, because
theater is not just like being on stage and acting.
There's backstage, there's management, There's tons of different things that
you can do in theater, and honestly, more of it,
in my opinion, is the hustle versus having talent. So like,
I know plenty of people who work consistently who are
(03:41):
not necessarily talented, but they have the hustle. They network,
they like know people, They they go out and put
themselves out there all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And if he has the hustle, he could still do well.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I got a point, yeah, a lot of Like there
was this a friend of mine who's telling a story
that he made the All Star high school hockey team.
M hm, not because he was better than this other kid.
The other kid was a better hockey player, but he
had hustle, right, So he got on the all Star
team because he had hustle.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, And even if, like if he auditions for Northwestern
and fails, that that's a learning moment.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That he can have.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
And then if he's like, Okay, I'll go to Bethel
and get my BFA there, who's to say that he
can't learn actually, like how to be a better actor
while he's getting a BFA. You don't really get to
learn that stuff when you're in high school. They literally
are like, you're a boy, go stand here, go stand here,
say these lines, but you don't actually get to learn
the craft, all.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right, say, basically, somebody's on the phone.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
They're talking about their son has been in theater, loves theater,
and now he wants to go to Northwestern, which is,
I guess a big theater school.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I thought Devrye was a big theater school, but I
wasn't really paying attention. So and she's like, oh man,
I don't want him to go for four years and
spend all that money and he's not ever going to
be like, you know, huge, because he's not that talented.
So Bailey's argument is like, well let him go anyway.
A lot of people agree. They say, eddim audition. He
needs to know there are other people out there that
are more talented. It'll be a humbling experience. Another one said,
(05:08):
don't discourage him. College is didn't teach him so much
more than high school. He should apply even if he
doesn't get in. Somebody else said, let the world let
him down, don't let mama let him down.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, because I think sometimes you.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Got to learn the world will not always, you know,
open the doors for you, because that's that's real life. Yeah,
mama should be there to be supportive.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And like if you fail, Like if real life lets
you down and you fail, then you might learn how
to pivot. So like if he finds out in college, okay,
maybe I'm not the best actor, Okay, so what else
can I learn in this field that I love so much?
And that I wish I had majored in theater. I
would have loved it. But I was also told not
to why why by who? My parents they said like, SA,
(05:52):
same with Vicky's. It wasn't like marketable, and so they
were like, you should have something that look a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Better on your vestrat. Well here's somebody who said a
text at KATWB one. We told our kids, you got
to get a degree that sounds like a job and
not a hobby.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean, my parents never did that to me.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I always knew that this is what I wanted to pursue,
like the arts in essence, And I don't think I
was ever particularly better than one kid or another, But
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I guess it's just every parent is different. I also
hope that for Vicky. I'm sure I'm sure Vicky thought
that hopefully as he.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Got older, he would maybe get a little bit better
at it.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And I guess now she's just not saying that.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I think also, Vicky should be prepared to be the
reason he goes to therapy if you do come up
to him and be like, you're not talented, because then
he's going to have such a like issue with himself. Yeah.
I was gonna say complex with himself of something he's
been doing his whole life a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
There's different sides on this one. Some people are like
it is a waste of money, for sure. I'm sure
there are people who went to school for theater or
to major in dance, or you know, some other unmarketable
degree like New Zealand Kuala Bear studies.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know what I'm talking about. That degree, Well, but
it's a.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Worthless one unless you're going to work ben at Zoo
or I don't know. So I don't know, but I
think that he'll It'll be an expensive lesson, but he'll
learn it early in life and maybe that's a good thing.
So should she tell him, should she say don't do it?
Or should she let him fail on his own? And
who knows he might do? Yeah, here's a Texas says
(07:21):
I went to school for music at Bethel. I'm eighty
thousand dollars in debt. I just ended up going to
a state school for a business degree after that music
degree did nothing for me and just made me in debt.
If I could do it all over again, I go
straight to a state school.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
But you just don't want to go through. That was
the money and the debt, but also the embarrassment. My
little sister, she's fifteen, and there was she went to
a little phase where she thought she could sing, and
so my mom or she went to my mom and said, hey, Mom,
I want to sign up for America's Got Talent.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I texted my mom.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
I was like, please don't let bredo this, please, because
I want to save her the embarrassment.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
She just can't sing. She really can't sing.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
No, get that like trying to save your kid from embarrassing.
But sometimes, like the embarrassment is what is going to
teach you how to pivot?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I guess I think there's also it's really it's such
a picky matter. It's sometimes like Carson I said, you've
got to follow your dream. If you don't follow your dream,
you will spend the rest of your life wondering what happened.
He went to school at Berkeley. Within a few weeks.
Have told you the story, he realized that he was
not as good as ninety percent of the kids that
(08:26):
were there. But he also said Berkeley was loaded with
people who thought they could sing that really couldn't sing
that well, but Berkeley was happy to accept them because
chat ching, here comes your tuition money.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
I have a question for Bailey then, because you said
that you wish you would have gone to school for theater.
But like, when it comes down to it, wouldn't you
say just getting involved in the community might help you further.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
They're actually having to be fa.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Oh yeah, no, I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
That's what.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
So that's kind of what I mean with like it's
a hustle over like having actual talent. Like I know
a lot of people in musical theater who got a
degree in musical theater who then kind of said that
they didn't need it.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
As long as you have the talent, then you.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Can get a role doing anything, honestly, because people want
the talent.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So I don't think you need that.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But if this kid doesn't have talent, like he might
actually be able to benefit from the degree in terms
of networking, because like networking is going to be more
difficult if you're not like you know, are automatically like
woven into a group of people that you would if
you went to school for it.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I just think that, like one huge thing you learn
in college is it's not necessarily like I thought, you
go to college, you get your degree, you get your
a job. Yeah, that's not necessarily how it is. It
is about getting out there and networking and getting internships
and stuff like that. So I think that there's still
an opportunity, VICKI to talk to him about maybe getting
a different degree and minor in theater or something like that,
(09:44):
and then tell him to still stay involved in theater,
but like have this other degree to help him out
in the case that, right, he can't get what he wants.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, with theater or major in theater and minor in business,
do whatever. But yeah, got it. It's the hustle. You
gotta teach him the hustle.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It really is the hustle.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I mean seriously, It's like one of the reasons that
I've been able to sustain in this business for so
long is because I used to hustle. When everybody else
was out playing golf and smoking weed, I was there
at the radio station working on stuff and was like
they always knew that if they asked me to do something,
I wouldn't be like, yeah, I'll get around to it.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I'm like I'll do it right now.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So there's a lot of it's hustle, Hey, Vicky, good luck,
and everything will be fine.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
We all worry about our kids.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I know somebody right now whose kid is about your age,
and it's like he has no ambition. It'll come around,
you know, at least he's got the ambition to go
do something. Either way, it'll turn out fine.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Hey, good luck. If you want to be on group therapy.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You got a question, then send an email to Ryan's
show at kdwb at dot com.
Vicky's got a problem that is like, I don't know,
it's it's it's kind of it's not funny. But at
the same time, you kind of dug your own hole
on this one. But I'm here to help you out, Vicky.
What's going on that you need advice for?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hi? Well, okay, so my son is really into theater
and he's been into it since he was like in
the third grade, but he's not that good. I mean,
of course I would always encourage him. I would say,
(00:39):
you know, you're doing great, and you know, I was
being a supportive parent, like most of the time. And
it's what you do.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's what you do.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, you don't say you know what, you really can't sing,
you can't dance, you're not that talented, you're funny looking,
you know, you really don't say things like that.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, and you know he's gotten because someone hey rolls.
But it's been really because there's no other options for
the productions.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is well, guys in theater, I mean like musical theater,
like local musical theater, they get a million women to
come out, but they don't get that many guys.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
True, That's I think that is very true, especially in
high school when you have like three boys to choose from,
so you will get the lead.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, and you know, he's not in a Dino or Minnetonta.
He's like in a rural school, but there's like one
hundred and twenty students. And now he's in high school
and it's breaking my heart. He wants to audition for Northwestern's.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Like a big theater school.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Okay, oh yeah, it's huge, and it's his dream school,
you know, and he's almost out of high school and
I don't even want him to audition. And he mentioned,
you know, he wanted to go to a bessel for
BSA if he didn't get into.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Northwest Bachelor of Fine Arts? Is that what that is?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I just really want him to have a degree
that's going to serve him. And this can be a
really expensive mistake. And I don't know how to discourage
him with that.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So mean, no, I.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Get it, No, I totally, that totally makes sense. It's like,
huh okay, I mean, if he was really good, you'd
be like, you know, I don't know Carson was. He
went to a music school, four year music school called
Berkeley in Boston.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
That's what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He was good, but I never thought that he was,
you know, like so good that he was going to
set the world on fire. But that's what he wanted
to do, and so I didn't want to discourage his dreams.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
He went.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
He realized within a few weeks that he's like not
as good as the the other kids that were there,
so he kind of switched his focus to management. So
you've known a lot of theater people, Bailey, you know
a lot of people theater people that are not as
talented as they think they are.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, honestly, I think I'm going to be a different
voice on this, So I think a lot of people
would probably advise her like to you know, let him
down easy kind of situation, that he should like go
and do something else. But I know plenty of people
who majored in theater, got a theater degree who were
not good at like acting, if that's what they chose,
(03:21):
and they found other career paths like within theater, because
theater is not just like being on stage and acting.
There's backstage, there's management, There's tons of different things that
you can do in theater, and honestly, more of it,
in my opinion, is the hustle versus having talent. So like,
I know plenty of people who work consistently who are
(03:41):
not necessarily talented, but they have the hustle. They network,
they like know people, They they go out and put
themselves out there all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
And if he has the hustle, he could still do well.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I got a point, yeah, a lot of Like there
was this a friend of mine who's telling a story
that he made the All Star high school hockey team.
M hm, not because he was better than this other kid.
The other kid was a better hockey player, but he
had hustle, right, So he got on the all Star
team because he had hustle.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, And even if, like if he auditions for Northwestern
and fails, that that's a learning moment.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That he can have.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
And then if he's like, Okay, I'll go to Bethel
and get my BFA there, who's to say that he
can't learn actually, like how to be a better actor
while he's getting a BFA. You don't really get to
learn that stuff when you're in high school. They literally
are like, you're a boy, go stand here, go stand here,
say these lines, but you don't actually get to learn
the craft, all.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right, say, basically, somebody's on the phone.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
They're talking about their son has been in theater, loves theater,
and now he wants to go to Northwestern, which is,
I guess a big theater school.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I thought Devrye was a big theater school, but I
wasn't really paying attention. So and she's like, oh man,
I don't want him to go for four years and
spend all that money and he's not ever going to
be like, you know, huge, because he's not that talented.
So Bailey's argument is like, well let him go anyway.
A lot of people agree. They say, eddim audition. He
needs to know there are other people out there that
are more talented. It'll be a humbling experience. Another one said,
(05:08):
don't discourage him. College is didn't teach him so much
more than high school. He should apply even if he
doesn't get in. Somebody else said, let the world let
him down, don't let mama let him down.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, because I think sometimes you.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Got to learn the world will not always, you know,
open the doors for you, because that's that's real life. Yeah,
mama should be there to be supportive.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And like if you fail, Like if real life lets
you down and you fail, then you might learn how
to pivot. So like if he finds out in college, okay,
maybe I'm not the best actor, Okay, so what else
can I learn in this field that I love so much?
And that I wish I had majored in theater. I
would have loved it. But I was also told not
to why why by who? My parents they said like, SA,
(05:52):
same with Vicky's. It wasn't like marketable, and so they
were like, you should have something that look a little bit.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Better on your vestrat. Well here's somebody who said a
text at KATWB one. We told our kids, you got
to get a degree that sounds like a job and
not a hobby.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I mean, my parents never did that to me.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I always knew that this is what I wanted to pursue,
like the arts in essence, And I don't think I
was ever particularly better than one kid or another, But
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I guess it's just every parent is different. I also
hope that for Vicky. I'm sure I'm sure Vicky thought
that hopefully as he.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
Got older, he would maybe get a little bit better
at it.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And I guess now she's just not saying that.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
I think also, Vicky should be prepared to be the
reason he goes to therapy if you do come up
to him and be like, you're not talented, because then
he's going to have such a like issue with himself. Yeah.
I was gonna say complex with himself of something he's
been doing his whole life a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
There's different sides on this one. Some people are like
it is a waste of money, for sure. I'm sure
there are people who went to school for theater or
to major in dance, or you know, some other unmarketable
degree like New Zealand Kuala Bear studies.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know what I'm talking about. That degree, Well, but
it's a.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Worthless one unless you're going to work ben at Zoo
or I don't know. So I don't know, but I
think that he'll It'll be an expensive lesson, but he'll
learn it early in life and maybe that's a good thing.
So should she tell him, should she say don't do it?
Or should she let him fail on his own? And
who knows he might do? Yeah, here's a Texas says
(07:21):
I went to school for music at Bethel. I'm eighty
thousand dollars in debt. I just ended up going to
a state school for a business degree after that music
degree did nothing for me and just made me in debt.
If I could do it all over again, I go
straight to a state school.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
But you just don't want to go through. That was
the money and the debt, but also the embarrassment. My
little sister, she's fifteen, and there was she went to
a little phase where she thought she could sing, and
so my mom or she went to my mom and said, hey, Mom,
I want to sign up for America's Got Talent.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I texted my mom.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
I was like, please don't let bredo this, please, because
I want to save her the embarrassment.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
She just can't sing. She really can't sing.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
No, get that like trying to save your kid from embarrassing.
But sometimes, like the embarrassment is what is going to
teach you how to pivot?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I guess I think there's also it's really it's such
a picky matter. It's sometimes like Carson I said, you've
got to follow your dream. If you don't follow your dream,
you will spend the rest of your life wondering what happened.
He went to school at Berkeley. Within a few weeks.
Have told you the story, he realized that he was
not as good as ninety percent of the kids that
(08:26):
were there. But he also said Berkeley was loaded with
people who thought they could sing that really couldn't sing
that well, but Berkeley was happy to accept them because
chat ching, here comes your tuition money.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
I have a question for Bailey then, because you said
that you wish you would have gone to school for theater.
But like, when it comes down to it, wouldn't you
say just getting involved in the community might help you further.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
They're actually having to be fa.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Oh yeah, no, I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
That's what.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
So that's kind of what I mean with like it's
a hustle over like having actual talent. Like I know
a lot of people in musical theater who got a
degree in musical theater who then kind of said that
they didn't need it.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
As long as you have the talent, then you.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Can get a role doing anything, honestly, because people want
the talent.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So I don't think you need that.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But if this kid doesn't have talent, like he might
actually be able to benefit from the degree in terms
of networking, because like networking is going to be more
difficult if you're not like you know, are automatically like
woven into a group of people that you would if
you went to school for it.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I just think that, like one huge thing you learn
in college is it's not necessarily like I thought, you
go to college, you get your degree, you get your
a job. Yeah, that's not necessarily how it is. It
is about getting out there and networking and getting internships
and stuff like that. So I think that there's still
an opportunity, VICKI to talk to him about maybe getting
a different degree and minor in theater or something like that,
(09:44):
and then tell him to still stay involved in theater,
but like have this other degree to help him out
in the case that, right, he can't get what he wants.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yeah, with theater or major in theater and minor in business,
do whatever. But yeah, got it. It's the hustle. You
gotta teach him the hustle.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It really is the hustle.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I mean seriously, It's like one of the reasons that
I've been able to sustain in this business for so
long is because I used to hustle. When everybody else
was out playing golf and smoking weed, I was there
at the radio station working on stuff and was like
they always knew that if they asked me to do something,
I wouldn't be like, yeah, I'll get around to it.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I'm like I'll do it right now.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So there's a lot of it's hustle, Hey, Vicky, good luck,
and everything will be fine.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
We all worry about our kids.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I know somebody right now whose kid is about your age,
and it's like he has no ambition. It'll come around,
you know, at least he's got the ambition to go
do something. Either way, it'll turn out fine.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Hey, good luck. If you want to be on group therapy.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
You got a question, then send an email to Ryan's
show at kdwb at dot com.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Ruthie's Table 4
For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.